They forgot to add how the Americans took Liberia, even though it was black people they were still oppressing the original group there. Google "General Buttnaked" if you want to learn about it (and yes that is his actual name and not a porn site lol)
0:40 "spiritual values"?? Is this a joke? What, you mean like cannibalism?
I love how stuff black people do today gets blamed on things Europeans did hundreds of years prior. You don't hear Greeks blaming their current situation on the Ottoman Empire. Or Spain blaming the Moors. Or Eastern Europe blaming Attila the Hun. Ridiculous.
Africa was a hellhole long before the "White Devil" arrived. The only thing that's really changed is you have better weapons to kill each other with now.
@eleutheromaniac you're obviously very ignorant to the history of conquest and current event.. Save you idiotic comments until you have actually read some books..
Africa was much better before the filthy white invaders came and introduced homosexuality,alcohol,beastiality,incest,corruption,pollution,robbery,murder and bigotry.
Just like what has been done to the rest of the world.
genicide is a european thing the people have been dumb down and his tory is kept secret amoung the elite. if the people wake up to the true story the would be a shaking of the earth and the wizard would be expose for good.
what's with all this nazi talk? the herero genocide was way before the nazis. hitler was still a kid during that time. the nazi party didn't even exist at that time, it was only founded years later. the colonies belonged to the german empire, a monarchy, and germany lost its colonies after WW1. hitlers rule began in 1933. the nazis are not the only europeans who commited atrocities.
@fuuchs Quite right. Hitler gets way more credit than is due to him. By the time Hitler came to power, Darwinian scientists have been saying things like: "The distance between the highest and lowest man is greater than that between the lowest man and the highest ape", and the weak races must make way for the strong for 70 years. German colonization had strong Darwinian motivations. Hitler was popular, because his ideas where seen as "cutting edge science". (From Hitler's Ethic - Richard Weikant)
WoW..only ETHIOPIANS are not Colonized by Western. They kicked the Italians ass. Still the Europeans doesn´t talk about this, b/s Ethiopia is the first Black Country that kick the Europeans.
the problem came all from europe and uk they took all the mony gold from africa and left people starving to death and some fighting for there country no one said something and even if they did nothing would change because in this world rich kills poor and now what amrica is doing to arabic countries and Guantanamo where people are taken their to be forced to say they terrorist so they make the arabs and muslims as the bad once but there are still people dying and we are in 2012 :)))
@Xiis26 They are not colonies. The former is an unincorporated territory, the latter was occupied by the USA up until the end of the Second World War. I was wrong though, Liberia was, for all intents and purposes, an American colony.
The Europeans may have exploited the divisions between African peoples, but that does not mean Africans have to continue to hate or even kill each other.
@Blahblobify We as Americans have to strive to be better than this. It's not cool, it's not funny, and the Africans aren't stupid. They are human beings.
@imRyRy LOL WTF!!!!!! dude im fucking indian, indo iranian peoples include afghans and iranians etc they have nothing to do with arabs, arabs are completely different, lolol stupid fuck
@imRyRy I used my ethnicity as evidence of your own shortcomings, and I didnt even write the original comment, I just referred to your mistake on calling afghan arabs. now good day you racist fuck.
@LiamUe As a matter of fact, the Boers DID find the Transvaal absent of native Africans, and there was a very good reason for that: Genocide committed by the Ndebele king Mzillikazi, who wanted to create a wilderness between him and the Zulu empire. The massacre was called the difaqane. But hey, don't believe me, google it for yourself. Now stop spewing your racist ignorance, and get an education.
@LiamUe I am an Afrikaner and I'm proud if it yes.And you are clearly a ignorant arrogant racist How dare you make judgement on a people you know nothing about?what country are you from?Tell me, what was wrong about Apartheid?The fact that it provided state funded mother tongue education to millions of blacks for the first time?Or that it provided western healthcare?Or that it kept South Africa safe from Marxism?Yes, it was not perfect,but we did the best we could.Its easy to judge in hind sight
I would've judged your racist country senseless in the 60s, 70s and 80s.
The rest of the world acknowledges SA under Apartheid to be a bad move on their part, so you can call me racist from your enclave of post-aparthied of 60 some million people.
10 times more live in Europe alone and think apartheid was bad.
That other excuse is weak man.
India has thousands of cultures and it didn't begin an Apartheid.
@LiamUe what an arrogant idiot you are.If you compare how we treated the blacks in South Africa with how the aboriginals were treated in Australia,then apartheid was by far the better system.But,because Australia didn't call it "apartheid" no one ever took any notice.Heck even today,aboriginals can't broadcast in their own language,because that would be "un-australian".As for India,they had Apartheid for thousands of years, they just called it the "caste system". Ever heard of the untouchables?
@Hannodb1961 That's so false. Today the Australian Aboriginals are a recognised people, so they can speak their language most proudly. is your source the internet? because most of your facts I find on wikipedia. And - woa. so just because India's racist caste system has been around a long time you think its cool to use. racism is never cool. it's lame. your argument is lame. you're lame.
@LiamUe So, now you have trouble reading too. I didn't say "speak", I said "broadcast". And I read this little fact from a book of one of our M.P's, a little something he discovered when on a parliamentary visit to Australia.
No, I did not use wikipedia, I read books. You should try it sometime.
Interesting how quickly India went from "cool" to "lame" in your eyes the moment they no longer fit your ideology. Who's the racist now?
@LiamUe Lastly, you use the term "racism" very loosely, would you care to define it? As I already mentioned, Apartheid was necessary, not because people looked different, but because they were on vastly different levels of development, with vastly different cultural values. For any society to exist, you need to have minimal common cultural values. In the absence of such values, there are two options: separation, or war. We chose separation. Apartheid failed because we did not separate enough.
@LiamUe Who cares what ignorant Europeans think about South Africa. Many of them are equally surprised when you say you're from Africa: "...but you're white??" South Africa is not the last country in which an ignorant West interfered based on their own perceived "moral high ground", only to leave a bigger mess behind without even realizing it. America invaded Iraq to "liberate" it, without even knowing about the deep ethnic and religious divides in that country. Zimbabwe is another example.
I'm going to educate you on the country of Zim, since you obviously don't know it, even though you claim to be an all knowing south africa with your rude tones and inflammatory accusations.
When Zim was Rhodesia, it was f-cking rich of capital and farming output.
Marxist rebels and Mugabe killed Zimbabwe.
is your quote from mean girls, or have you actually met someone who said that?
@LiamUe "with your rude tones and inflammatory accusations" Hehehe! So now I'M the one with "rude tones and inflammatory accusations" ??? I simply mentioned that there was a Boer genocide in 1901-1902, and you were all over me with your accusations that the Voortrekkers commited genocide and that I'm racists! Sorry, you started it, I'm just enjoying making you taste your own medicine.
@LiamUe 1) I see you know a little bit of Zimbabwe, so let me fill it in some more. When Ian Smith ruled, Rhodesia had a growing economy, despite not being recognised by the world. My judgement of the Rhodesian racial system is that their were even more reasonable than ours. Ian Smith knew what kind of people ZANU-PF was. In 1979, he even tried to hold an election excluding the Marxists. But no, the holier than thou West would have none of that: ZANU-PF MUST BE INCLUDED
@LiamUe 2) And so, after torturing the black tribes and threatening them with death if they didn't get enough votes, Mugabe won the 1980 election. I remember when Ian Smith died, I News Googled the event. In between the lines of almost all the articles, one could sense that they recognised that Ian Smith was right all along. So, yes. Zimbabwe is just another example of what happens when the "morally superior" but ignorant West interferes in a country which they know nothing about.
@LiamUe Here's the deal: We had an artificially created imperial super state called "South Africa", which bundled together a westernized minority with a primitive illiterate majority. These cultures were incompatible and even the most liberal party recognized that the need Africans have their own land where they can live according to their own customs. The world was quick to judge us, but they ignored the demographic realities that we needed to deal with, and gave us no realistic alternatives.
the Union of South Africa had a chance to be a multi ethnic state. It didn't fail, it just went in a different direction than it was expected to (like the other Dominions).
@LiamUe It did not fail BECAUSE there was Apartheid. The purpose of Apartheid under Verwoerd was Separate Development. At one stage, a new school was build every 15 days. Even black universities was build and taught in African languages. This transitional period allowed blacks to adjust to a Western society, without which no integration would be possible. The sin of Apartheid is that the modernization of blacks occurred much faster than expected, and Apartheid did not adapt fast enough.
@LiamUe As I said, Apartheid was not perfect, and it is easy to point out the mistakes in hind sight. When we came to power in 1948, there was no other country that shared our unique demographic problems. Countries like the US and Australia "solved" their problems by "genociding" their natives into a irrelevant minority. Obviously, that was not an option, so we had to invent our own solutions. Apartheid was an attempt to find a sustainable and morally acceptable solution.
@LiamUe Yes, some Afrikaners have moved there, but I think they were always foreigners there. There still was some bad feelings between the English and the Afrikaners because of the Boer war, and some say Vorster treatment of Rhodesia was revenge. I think it was just opportunism. The dominion recipe failed for Zimbabwe, because the majority did not share a Western culture: Half the country was traditional trust lands. The people were not ready for the transition forced on the country.
@LiamUe The other thing that is also often forgotten, is that the black "liberation" movements rejected dialog, and allied themselves with the Soviet Union. Nice going, calling yourself a liberation movement, while allying yourself with the most oppressive regime the world have ever seen. There is a reason why Mandela was only freed in 1992, and that is because the Soviet Union only fell in 1991. By allying themselves to the USSR, the ANC prolonged Apartheid in South Africa.
@LiamUe " that there ever an intention to end apartheid." Then I suggest you read up on PW Botha. He started his term with constitutional reforms, relaxing much of the Apartheid laws. After that, when things got really bad, he had secret meetings with Mandela, to see what the possibility of peace talks is. The meetings failed because Mandela did not want to abandon violence. If you wage war on the state, you should expect the state to fight back, and that has nothing to do with Apartheid.
@LiamUe 1) "most people in America are unaware of the ANC's roots as a militant Marxist group." Which just goes to show how ignorant Americans was. WE FOUGHT THE CUBANS MARXISTS IN ANGOLA AND NAMIBIA, AND AT SOME POINT, THE US WERE OUR ALLIES!!! How could the Americans NOT know of the Communist connection?
@LiamUe Let me tell you something about international politics: It's never about "moral issues". The west assassinated a democratically elected socialist in Zaire, to appoint Mabuto as a Western puppet, because they "did not want a communist country in such a strategic place". Yet, they pressured the NP government to hand the country over to the communist ANC! Were the west really concerned about Apartheid, or did they just want a government that will allow them pillage mineral resources?
@LiamUe I'm glad I could've given our history some perspective to you. When you first started talking to me, I thought there would be no point in talking to you, but I did it anyway for the fun of it. I am pleasantly surprised to find you a much more reasonable person than I had expected. By the way, I still don't know from what country you are.
@LiamUe PS. Did you have any family or friends that lived in Rhodesia? You seem to have a soft spot for that country. I too have a soft spot for Zimbabwe, mainly because of the many historical parallels that exists between South Africa and Zimbabwe.
@LiamUe An Irelander? The Irish has been fighting Brittish colonialism for centuries, and a large number even came to South Africa to fight on the side of the Boers during the Anglo-Boer War. A monument in honour of the Irish was erected. The new government almost demolished it, but fortunately, Afrikaner organisations salvaged it and moved it safely to Orania. Anyway, nice to have met you. Send greetings to your Rhodesian friends from a sunny Pretoria, South Africa.
@LiamUe Oh, and one more thing. The British destroyed the homesteads of the Boers, and cramped the women and children into concentration camps, in which 27 000 died of malnutrition and disease. How is that not genocide! The British could not win the war, so they resorted to barbarism to force the Boers into submission. The names of Alfred Milner and Robert Kitchener will always be synonymous with Adolf Hitler to us.
They forgot to add how the Americans took Liberia, even though it was black people they were still oppressing the original group there. Google "General Buttnaked" if you want to learn about it (and yes that is his actual name and not a porn site lol)
mhregan 1 week ago
0:40 "spiritual values"?? Is this a joke? What, you mean like cannibalism?
I love how stuff black people do today gets blamed on things Europeans did hundreds of years prior. You don't hear Greeks blaming their current situation on the Ottoman Empire. Or Spain blaming the Moors. Or Eastern Europe blaming Attila the Hun. Ridiculous.
Africa was a hellhole long before the "White Devil" arrived. The only thing that's really changed is you have better weapons to kill each other with now.
eleutheromaniac 1 week ago 4
@eleutheromaniac you're obviously very ignorant to the history of conquest and current event.. Save you idiotic comments until you have actually read some books..
rey9883 1 week ago
Haha Ethiopia is like the village of Asterix and Obelix on that map.
dekippiesip 2 weeks ago
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Face it.
Africa was much better before the filthy white invaders came and introduced homosexuality,alcohol,beastiality,incest,corruption,pollution,robbery,murder and bigotry.
Just like what has been done to the rest of the world.
insanelylogical 3 weeks ago
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insanelylogical 3 weeks ago
Ethiopia?
yosefderyck 1 month ago
genicide is a european thing the people have been dumb down and his tory is kept secret amoung the elite. if the people wake up to the true story the would be a shaking of the earth and the wizard would be expose for good.
drybonesconnection 1 month ago
what's with all this nazi talk? the herero genocide was way before the nazis. hitler was still a kid during that time. the nazi party didn't even exist at that time, it was only founded years later. the colonies belonged to the german empire, a monarchy, and germany lost its colonies after WW1. hitlers rule began in 1933. the nazis are not the only europeans who commited atrocities.
fuuchs 1 month ago
@fuuchs Quite right. Hitler gets way more credit than is due to him. By the time Hitler came to power, Darwinian scientists have been saying things like: "The distance between the highest and lowest man is greater than that between the lowest man and the highest ape", and the weak races must make way for the strong for 70 years. German colonization had strong Darwinian motivations. Hitler was popular, because his ideas where seen as "cutting edge science". (From Hitler's Ethic - Richard Weikant)
Hannodb1961 3 weeks ago
WoW..only ETHIOPIANS are not Colonized by Western. They kicked the Italians ass. Still the Europeans doesn´t talk about this, b/s Ethiopia is the first Black Country that kick the Europeans.
MrBiniMan 1 month ago
During that time, the term 'terrorist' did not exist.
pinangjawa 1 month ago
the problem came all from europe and uk they took all the mony gold from africa and left people starving to death and some fighting for there country no one said something and even if they did nothing would change because in this world rich kills poor and now what amrica is doing to arabic countries and Guantanamo where people are taken their to be forced to say they terrorist so they make the arabs and muslims as the bad once but there are still people dying and we are in 2012 :)))
ashlyG96 1 month ago
British, French, German - All I do is win win win no matter what got money on my mind can never get enough!
xXP1RaT3 2 months ago
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xXP1RaT3 2 months ago
@Xiis26 Also the Panama canal and Nicaragua was a short-term colony.
Murtezahasan1 2 months ago
@Xiis26 They are not colonies. The former is an unincorporated territory, the latter was occupied by the USA up until the end of the Second World War. I was wrong though, Liberia was, for all intents and purposes, an American colony.
sprucemoose18 2 months ago
those were the days...
GodOfUnbelief 2 months ago
@GodOfUnbelief lmaoooooo
JagjeetMann 1 month ago
Was Liberia an American colony too?
Murtezahasan1 3 months ago
@Murtezahasan1 There were no American colonies in Africa. There weren't even any American colonies in general, really...
sprucemoose18 3 months ago
@sprucemoose18 Technically Liberia could be considered an American colony as it was colonized by African-Americans.
goodsouthernboy 3 months ago
@goodsouthernboy A fair enough point, I guess.
sprucemoose18 3 months ago
@sprucemoose18
Go to "History of Liberia"
This proves other wise.
Murtezahasan1 3 months ago
@Murtezahasan1 Yes, I now realise that Liberia was in fact an American colony in a sense. My apologies for my disclaiming of your theory.
sprucemoose18 2 months ago
@sprucemoose18 But I wish not they used this colony to get more slaves.
Murtezahasan1 2 months ago
The Europeans may have exploited the divisions between African peoples, but that does not mean Africans have to continue to hate or even kill each other.
Delta4ms 3 months ago 3
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This is what they did to all the Indigenous People of this Planet!
MrWeknowNow 3 months ago
Oh well - who realy gives a crap lol xxx
asa1973100 4 months ago
north somallia was british
Curt1233brit 4 months ago
I cant watch this. :))))
mar7yan 4 months ago
@asanteakyemagogo Technically this is not a video on African history merely how the countries of Europe carved the continent up.
TheEnglishFuhrer 4 months ago
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And people say Americans are evil. Look at the shit the Europeans did.
LetsSaveTheRepublic 5 months ago
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Blahblobify 5 months ago
@Blahblobify We as Americans have to strive to be better than this. It's not cool, it's not funny, and the Africans aren't stupid. They are human beings.
LetsSaveTheRepublic 5 months ago
Soudan is a Condominium between Uk and Egypt, NO just a colony for UK .... !!
FranceHistoriaTv 8 months ago
wow so the germans are responsible for two genocides in the 20th century.......and we call the Taliban bad people?? Jeez.
michaelbarile 8 months ago 3
@michaelbarile Germans aren't Nazis. Your logic is backwards. What if I told you all Arabs were part of the Taliban?
Idiot.
imRyRy 1 month ago
@imRyRy lol, double fail, taliban are afghans
JagjeetMann 1 month ago
@JagjeetMann And Afghans aren't Arabs? Yes, they are. dumbass. Calling Germans Nazis is like calling all Arabs terrorists.
imRyRy 1 month ago
@imRyRy LOL WTF!!!!!! dude im fucking indian, indo iranian peoples include afghans and iranians etc they have nothing to do with arabs, arabs are completely different, lolol stupid fuck
JagjeetMann 1 month ago
@JagjeetMann Oh my Lord. Did I ask what ethnicity you were?
In your initial comment, you said the Germans were bad people. Germans are not all Nazis, just like not all Afghans are in the Taliban.
dumb ass.
imRyRy 1 month ago
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@imRyRy I used my ethnicity as evidence of your own shortcomings, and I didnt even write the original comment, I just referred to your mistake on calling afghan arabs. now good day you racist fuck.
JagjeetMann 1 month ago
Aww poor baby at 2:20
Thanks for video (:
XxILuvMehxX 9 months ago
First genocide of the 20th Century? Aren't you forgetting the British genocide of the Boer people during 1901-1902?
Hannodb1961 10 months ago 7
@Hannodb1961
oh please, like the Boers found the Traansvaal absent of native Africans.
save your piety.
those were wars based on economics; notice how the Dutch remained?
Like the French in Canada?
Oh yes. genocide.
...
use the word when its called for.
not when you want attention.
LiamUe 4 weeks ago
@LiamUe As a matter of fact, the Boers DID find the Transvaal absent of native Africans, and there was a very good reason for that: Genocide committed by the Ndebele king Mzillikazi, who wanted to create a wilderness between him and the Zulu empire. The massacre was called the difaqane. But hey, don't believe me, google it for yourself. Now stop spewing your racist ignorance, and get an education.
Hannodb1961 3 weeks ago
@Hannodb1961
Yes, these South African Wars are bad news. I had no idea that the Ndebele killed the folks of central SA.
However, I don't get my sources from the internet - and maybe you shouldn't either;
perhaps it is the source of your rather mad tonality:
Besides: you an Afriakanner, aren't you?
Like a Dutch African? - that's the perspective point you seem to be taking
And you can call no man a racist after what your country did.
'APARTHEID' ring a bell?
LiamUe 3 weeks ago
@LiamUe I am an Afrikaner and I'm proud if it yes.And you are clearly a ignorant arrogant racist How dare you make judgement on a people you know nothing about?what country are you from?Tell me, what was wrong about Apartheid?The fact that it provided state funded mother tongue education to millions of blacks for the first time?Or that it provided western healthcare?Or that it kept South Africa safe from Marxism?Yes, it was not perfect,but we did the best we could.Its easy to judge in hind sight
Hannodb1961 3 weeks ago
@Hannodb1961
Haha. there's nothing hindsight about it:
I would've judged your racist country senseless in the 60s, 70s and 80s.
The rest of the world acknowledges SA under Apartheid to be a bad move on their part, so you can call me racist from your enclave of post-aparthied of 60 some million people.
10 times more live in Europe alone and think apartheid was bad.
That other excuse is weak man.
India has thousands of cultures and it didn't begin an Apartheid.
LiamUe 3 weeks ago
@LiamUe what an arrogant idiot you are.If you compare how we treated the blacks in South Africa with how the aboriginals were treated in Australia,then apartheid was by far the better system.But,because Australia didn't call it "apartheid" no one ever took any notice.Heck even today,aboriginals can't broadcast in their own language,because that would be "un-australian".As for India,they had Apartheid for thousands of years, they just called it the "caste system". Ever heard of the untouchables?
Hannodb1961 3 weeks ago
LiamUe 3 weeks ago
@LiamUe So, now you have trouble reading too. I didn't say "speak", I said "broadcast". And I read this little fact from a book of one of our M.P's, a little something he discovered when on a parliamentary visit to Australia.
No, I did not use wikipedia, I read books. You should try it sometime.
Interesting how quickly India went from "cool" to "lame" in your eyes the moment they no longer fit your ideology. Who's the racist now?
Hannodb1961 3 weeks ago
@LiamUe Lastly, you use the term "racism" very loosely, would you care to define it? As I already mentioned, Apartheid was necessary, not because people looked different, but because they were on vastly different levels of development, with vastly different cultural values. For any society to exist, you need to have minimal common cultural values. In the absence of such values, there are two options: separation, or war. We chose separation. Apartheid failed because we did not separate enough.
Hannodb1961 3 weeks ago
@LiamUe And just for the record. I find our little discussion hugely entertaining.... for now.
Hannodb1961 3 weeks ago
@LiamUe Who cares what ignorant Europeans think about South Africa. Many of them are equally surprised when you say you're from Africa: "...but you're white??" South Africa is not the last country in which an ignorant West interfered based on their own perceived "moral high ground", only to leave a bigger mess behind without even realizing it. America invaded Iraq to "liberate" it, without even knowing about the deep ethnic and religious divides in that country. Zimbabwe is another example.
Hannodb1961 3 weeks ago
@Hannodb1961
Zimbabwe?
I'm going to educate you on the country of Zim, since you obviously don't know it, even though you claim to be an all knowing south africa with your rude tones and inflammatory accusations.
When Zim was Rhodesia, it was f-cking rich of capital and farming output.
Marxist rebels and Mugabe killed Zimbabwe.
is your quote from mean girls, or have you actually met someone who said that?
classy.
LiamUe 3 weeks ago
@LiamUe "with your rude tones and inflammatory accusations" Hehehe! So now I'M the one with "rude tones and inflammatory accusations" ??? I simply mentioned that there was a Boer genocide in 1901-1902, and you were all over me with your accusations that the Voortrekkers commited genocide and that I'm racists! Sorry, you started it, I'm just enjoying making you taste your own medicine.
Hannodb1961 3 weeks ago
@LiamUe 1) I see you know a little bit of Zimbabwe, so let me fill it in some more. When Ian Smith ruled, Rhodesia had a growing economy, despite not being recognised by the world. My judgement of the Rhodesian racial system is that their were even more reasonable than ours. Ian Smith knew what kind of people ZANU-PF was. In 1979, he even tried to hold an election excluding the Marxists. But no, the holier than thou West would have none of that: ZANU-PF MUST BE INCLUDED
Hannodb1961 3 weeks ago
@LiamUe 2) And so, after torturing the black tribes and threatening them with death if they didn't get enough votes, Mugabe won the 1980 election. I remember when Ian Smith died, I News Googled the event. In between the lines of almost all the articles, one could sense that they recognised that Ian Smith was right all along. So, yes. Zimbabwe is just another example of what happens when the "morally superior" but ignorant West interferes in a country which they know nothing about.
Hannodb1961 3 weeks ago
@LiamUe Here's the deal: We had an artificially created imperial super state called "South Africa", which bundled together a westernized minority with a primitive illiterate majority. These cultures were incompatible and even the most liberal party recognized that the need Africans have their own land where they can live according to their own customs. The world was quick to judge us, but they ignored the demographic realities that we needed to deal with, and gave us no realistic alternatives.
Hannodb1961 3 weeks ago
@Hannodb1961
the Union of South Africa had a chance to be a multi ethnic state. It didn't fail, it just went in a different direction than it was expected to (like the other Dominions).
LiamUe 3 weeks ago
@LiamUe It did not fail BECAUSE there was Apartheid. The purpose of Apartheid under Verwoerd was Separate Development. At one stage, a new school was build every 15 days. Even black universities was build and taught in African languages. This transitional period allowed blacks to adjust to a Western society, without which no integration would be possible. The sin of Apartheid is that the modernization of blacks occurred much faster than expected, and Apartheid did not adapt fast enough.
Hannodb1961 3 weeks ago
@Hannodb1961
Alright. But you have to contend with the issues of those people not interested in territorial integrity of 'bantu-stans'.
and is that other statement supposed to pre suppose that Africans weren't supposed to modernise as fast as Indo-Europeans?
LiamUe 3 weeks ago
@LiamUe As I said, Apartheid was not perfect, and it is easy to point out the mistakes in hind sight. When we came to power in 1948, there was no other country that shared our unique demographic problems. Countries like the US and Australia "solved" their problems by "genociding" their natives into a irrelevant minority. Obviously, that was not an option, so we had to invent our own solutions. Apartheid was an attempt to find a sustainable and morally acceptable solution.
Hannodb1961 3 weeks ago
@Hannodb1961
good sir, I know not why I have felt the strangest need to be aggressive towards your points.
I tried to expect the same formula that created the other Dominons would be fairly applicable...which is clearly not the case.
From what I understand, there was an Afrikaaner community in Rhodie as well.
The republic was a rather rough move, though; i must say.
LiamUe 3 weeks ago
@LiamUe Yes, some Afrikaners have moved there, but I think they were always foreigners there. There still was some bad feelings between the English and the Afrikaners because of the Boer war, and some say Vorster treatment of Rhodesia was revenge. I think it was just opportunism. The dominion recipe failed for Zimbabwe, because the majority did not share a Western culture: Half the country was traditional trust lands. The people were not ready for the transition forced on the country.
Hannodb1961 3 weeks ago
@LiamUe The other thing that is also often forgotten, is that the black "liberation" movements rejected dialog, and allied themselves with the Soviet Union. Nice going, calling yourself a liberation movement, while allying yourself with the most oppressive regime the world have ever seen. There is a reason why Mandela was only freed in 1992, and that is because the Soviet Union only fell in 1991. By allying themselves to the USSR, the ANC prolonged Apartheid in South Africa.
Hannodb1961 3 weeks ago
@Hannodb1961
This is an interesting connection;
most people in America are unaware of the ANC's roots as a militant Marxist group.
Otherwise, it is wishful thinking
I do not think and neither does the rest of the world so naively believe that there ever an intention to end apartheid.
LiamUe 3 weeks ago
@LiamUe " that there ever an intention to end apartheid." Then I suggest you read up on PW Botha. He started his term with constitutional reforms, relaxing much of the Apartheid laws. After that, when things got really bad, he had secret meetings with Mandela, to see what the possibility of peace talks is. The meetings failed because Mandela did not want to abandon violence. If you wage war on the state, you should expect the state to fight back, and that has nothing to do with Apartheid.
Hannodb1961 3 weeks ago
@LiamUe 1) "most people in America are unaware of the ANC's roots as a militant Marxist group." Which just goes to show how ignorant Americans was. WE FOUGHT THE CUBANS MARXISTS IN ANGOLA AND NAMIBIA, AND AT SOME POINT, THE US WERE OUR ALLIES!!! How could the Americans NOT know of the Communist connection?
Hannodb1961 3 weeks ago
@LiamUe Let me tell you something about international politics: It's never about "moral issues". The west assassinated a democratically elected socialist in Zaire, to appoint Mabuto as a Western puppet, because they "did not want a communist country in such a strategic place". Yet, they pressured the NP government to hand the country over to the communist ANC! Were the west really concerned about Apartheid, or did they just want a government that will allow them pillage mineral resources?
Hannodb1961 3 weeks ago
@Hannodb1961
i am now fairly warm to your side of things.
and truth told, the ANC is not a friendly entity in any dinner conversation.
Mandela isn't a hero to a handfull of South Africans I've met...
LiamUe 3 weeks ago
@LiamUe I'm glad I could've given our history some perspective to you. When you first started talking to me, I thought there would be no point in talking to you, but I did it anyway for the fun of it. I am pleasantly surprised to find you a much more reasonable person than I had expected. By the way, I still don't know from what country you are.
Hannodb1961 3 weeks ago
@Hannodb1961
Ah! Slàinte, friend; your knowledge is most useful.
I write from Canada.
LiamUe 3 weeks ago
@LiamUe Aangename kennis. You were a great sport. I see you are of Scottish decent. :)
Hannodb1961 3 weeks ago
@LiamUe PS. Did you have any family or friends that lived in Rhodesia? You seem to have a soft spot for that country. I too have a soft spot for Zimbabwe, mainly because of the many historical parallels that exists between South Africa and Zimbabwe.
Hannodb1961 3 weeks ago
@Hannodb1961
Several yes; and I promise you they don't call their homeland 'Zimbabwe'. hahah
Ah. there was some Scot in the bloodline centuries ago.
That word can be used there, on on Mannin, or in Éire.
I am an Irelander.
LiamUe 3 weeks ago
@LiamUe An Irelander? The Irish has been fighting Brittish colonialism for centuries, and a large number even came to South Africa to fight on the side of the Boers during the Anglo-Boer War. A monument in honour of the Irish was erected. The new government almost demolished it, but fortunately, Afrikaner organisations salvaged it and moved it safely to Orania. Anyway, nice to have met you. Send greetings to your Rhodesian friends from a sunny Pretoria, South Africa.
Hannodb1961 3 weeks ago
@LiamUe you sir are a douche bag. you're an Irish man, not an Irelander... irelander isn't even a word.
blackrockians08 2 weeks ago
@blackrockians08
yes it is, you moron.
go look it up and jog on.
LiamUe 2 weeks ago
@LiamUe If our ancestors were guilty of genocide, then South Africa would've been as white the US or Australia.
Hannodb1961 3 weeks ago
@LiamUe Oh, and one more thing. The British destroyed the homesteads of the Boers, and cramped the women and children into concentration camps, in which 27 000 died of malnutrition and disease. How is that not genocide! The British could not win the war, so they resorted to barbarism to force the Boers into submission. The names of Alfred Milner and Robert Kitchener will always be synonymous with Adolf Hitler to us.
Hannodb1961 3 weeks ago
10 million plus!!
DedicatedOne2 11 months ago
@KKKSuperFan Only in your dream...
EnLugal 11 months ago
@EnLugal if you think africa would stay the same and don't seek revenge your a fool
TheTubeEmperor 7 months ago
AP WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
Kibby705917 1 year ago
the Germans of-course
boomqeda 1 year ago
@boomqeda nicely said
XsandOstogether 1 year ago