ACTA Ancient Greek boxing at Dijon 2009

[davigo]

Very interesting! Show more video please! Where it is ,Greece?

[Apollo2K11]

Greek pride

[TamerlanKuzgov]

i think nobody can know how they fought exactly..but it seems ok.

[kaindrg]

@TamerlanKuzgov one think we can be sure off. i porabably didnt look like modern boxing as the evolution was from different circumstances

[epic0wnag]

it is strange how similar this looks to wing chun

[kaindrg]

@epic0wnag ppl generally come to the same conclusions when certain methods are effective

[leopoldvs]

@epic0wnag It actuallly reminded me of KENPO!...but you're right!

[100microsoftsam]

boxing is awesome

[kaindrg]

never take this video down this is the crux to all those frauds passing off MMA as greco roman Pankratos

[alkimachos]

excellent!!!

[170GMS]

ΕΛΛΗΝΟΠΟΙΗΜΕΝΟ WING CHUN ! ΚΑΙ ΠΟΛΥ ΣΑΣ ΕΙΝΑΙ....!! ΣΙΓΑ ΠΟΥ ΚΑΝΕΤΕ ΚΑΙ ΑΡΧΑΙΑ ΠΥΓΜΑΧΙΑ....

[aris0978]

@170GMS ενω εμεις εδω στο ελλαδισταν κανοuμε μονο wing chun που χρονος για αρχαια πυγμαχια

[170GMS]

@aris0978 Αγορίνα μου δεν υπαρχει αρχαια πυγμαχια...Την ονομασαν ετσι για εμπορικους σκοπους φυσικα! αν γουσταρεις πυγμαχια κανε κανονικη πυγμαχια...Ειναι αναγκη να καταφευγουμε σε τετοιες γελοιοτητες ;;

[aris0978]

@170GMS μα το ξερω απλα σου εγραψα οτι αντι να ερευναμε το δικο μας παρελθον το ερευναν οι αλλοι και εμεις ψαχνωμαστε με τα νυχια του τιγρη και αλλα αρχαια παραδοσιακα συστηματα αλλων λαων. χωρις αυτο να σημαινει οτι πρεπει να ειμαστε κολλημενοι σε κατι.

[170GMS]

@aris0978 Ελευθερος ειναι ο καθε ενας απο μας να ερευνησει οσο θελει το παρελθον του.Επισης ελευθεροι ειμαστε να ψαχνομαστε οσο θελουμε με τα νυχια του τιγρη και του αετου.

[aris0978]

@170GMS αυτονοητα ολα αυτα

[Eurystheas]

@170GMS re paides malakies kanoun pozaroun opws stis minwikes tixografies.i arxaia pigmaxia itan ta idia sxedon xtipimata kai pio psagmena opws i simeron pigmaxia,aplws oi anthrwpoi tote evazan gantia me derma kai molivdo kai spagane ta moutra tous kiriolektika.de pozaran san aftous.oi progonoi mas den eixan toufekia sinepws me apli logiki katanooume oti i pigmaxia i arxaia itan idi exeligmeni efoson i maxi swma me swma s enan polemo tote itan anapofeukti.kanete boxe kai tha iste konta

[Theseus1000]

It's beautiful thank you very much for this ! I am tottaly amazed and surprised, I never expected it to be like this. It looks like boxing like that on cretan vases I saw once. I would love to know if it looked like this in olimpian games because I expected it to look more like todays boxing. Well I love martial arts and Greece and it's myths and history so I'd like to learn this.

[m9ronaldo]

greeks invented boxing aswell, more greeks need to realise this nd we shall takeover boxing once again!!!

[LALAKIStro]

@m9ronaldo simfwnw mazi s,gi auto k arxisa box prin ena mhna.to 9ewrw poly pio au9entiko k eugenko apo alles polemikes texnes.auto pou prepei na suneidhtopoihsoume ein pws to a9lhma de legetai box alla pugmaxia=pix(gro9ia)+maxh k ein ellhnikotato

[Theseus1000]

@m9ronaldo There was boxing also in ancient Egypt, Sumeria, Rome etc and almost every european nacion has it's own form of boxing but Greece is one of few to have it's boxing turn into sport together with english, roman, french and russian boxing to name some. I would love to see more greeks and other Europeans in boxing because it's our sport, it's sad that it's not more popular ...

[m9ronaldo]

@Theseus1000 yh true but the greeks invented it and started it in the olympics, they wore leather round their hands and fought until one was left standin, usually to the death.

[pochazet]

looks wing chun panantukan and western boxing all rolled into one.

[Marx047]

@samluke8121 more or less; same type of fighting and the same philosophy, but different rules

[Entheobotany]

What are your Himantes constructed of? Did you make them or buy them?

[3ng4n]

@Entheobotany They have made them themselves, with traditional materials. Leather and hardened leather.

[fund4ment]

this vs wingchun will be interesting

[Theseus1000]

@fund4ment Not really in wing tsun they have very weak punches so they would need a week or so to punch an boxer to knock him out :D Of course leg techniques are much better in wing tsun than it's hand techniques ... but it is similar somewhat.

[Kyousuke687]

What does ACTA stand for? Do they have a website? I am very interested in learning more about their reconstruction efforts. I, myself, am an aspiring Classical Pankration reconstructionist.

[Theseus1000]

@Kyousuke687 I found this Italian site they are doing the same thing I think ... circolo-ares.it/

[aris0978]

where do you got the informations about the techniques???

[Theseus1000]

@aris0978 try this : circolo-ares.it/

[aris0978]

@Theseus1000 thanks.

[Marx047]

Cool; is this pankration? Because that Fight Quest show was talking about Greek boxing/wrestling and it looked pretty much like this

[3ng4n]

@Marx047 It's not pankration, it's boxing. They showed some pankration as well in another part of the demonstration.

[Santeria78]

@3ng4n: I would love to see the pankration, could we see this also?

btw, looks very interesting.

[samluke8121]

@Marx047 Are these ancient techniques in Pankration?

[kaindrg]

@Marx047 if u look at vases or sculptures this is how the squared off though many modern interpretors interpret the techniques from modern sports while these guys are objectivly using what sources they have.

[kaindrg]

@Marx047 ie. archeology athropology. 

[1ToNJaB]

that was very interesting to watch... usually all these different martial arts look like each other, like Karate but to me, this is different. Thanks for sharing.

[zigsauer]

People Boxing is Boxing !

That here is some reenactment of static paintings on vases and sculptures !

[MortgageBook]

a real pagration fight is deadly.

[3ng4n]

It might be. It did happen that pankration matches ended in death. As did boxing matches, sometimes. In neither case was it very common, but yes, it did happen.

This video doesn't show pankration, it's boxing. And it's not a match, just a technique demonstration.

[kaindrg]

@3ng4n fight quest and human weapon pankration is bullshido reality is its just mma and wouldn;t work in greco roman fighting let alone any premodern fighting scenario

[kaindrg]

@MortgageBook if u learn how ti engage wrist power into ur punch chances of death is higher

[Tehinke]

I think some people mistake this for a match (stupidly) it's a demonstration, and if they had been to a HEMA seminar they would know what this is all about, ie. showing a bunch of people techniques from a system. Not fighting it out to see who's best.

[adui448]

man i dont know who said that this is ancient greek boxing....and i dont know who stupid guy made that ''''ancient greek''martial art....this is not greek boxing! NO WAY!!!

[3ng4n]

Sorry, you're not making any sense whatsoever.

[sompret]

@adui448

You know there's unwritten rules about unisex decency, right? That you can't perfectly replicate AGB by having them strip completely naked?

Also, this is a bloody exhibition, not a full-on match. I thought there're rules against fighting people in the same gym.

[Archfiend1900]

is it me or do these guys pull their punches cause im pretty sure the greeks were far less...how do i say this...merciful when it came to fighting and its just an opinion but i think they may have allowed some wrestling as well

[3ng4n]

Wrestling was not allowed in boxing contests, no. You're probably thinking of Pankration, where (almost) anything was allowed.

And of course they're pulling their punches. This was just a short friendly demonstration in the middle of a lecture.

[Archfiend1900]

i see, tnx

[zhache]

No, its not, if this was ancient boxing, then it's good its lost. But I dont think so, I think there were good boxers probuably beter than those of today because ppl were more physical, cose they worked and hunted all they long and had beter healthier boddies and sharper rexlexes, so it should be like boxing today but without forbiden puches like uracken uchi or sth like that. so u can swing and give straiths or any kond of beastry your anger gives ya. This, this has no male hormones in it.

[greygooseification]

The Romans must have seen this and said to themselves, "Too Easy!"

[sompret]

@greygooseification

Umm... The romans would be a lot more stricter, I think. Colosseum matches were much more heavily regulated.

[Tooshin]

interesting

[marlborosucker]

i like this style! it's all about speed and timing!

[statsme88]

why the hell arent they punching? you expect ppl to believe that anicent boxers didn't throw punches too, you know like the bare knuckle boxer of the victorian age. and what about the clinch i thought anicent boxers also fought well in

the clinch? this looks crappy.

[sompret]

@statsme88

Exhibition, mate, EXHIBITION. Not a full-on match.

[pillsburydoughboy47]

the genuine article may be impossible to reconstruct, until a time machine is built and someone can actually WATCH. I still don't get how anyone can fight without ever getting hit though.

[3ng4n]

Whoever talked about fighting without getting hit?

[pillsburydoughboy47]

no different from talking about writting an essay mistake free on the first draft.

[3ng4n]

Err.. perhaps not? What are you actually trying to say? You said you couldn't get how anyone can fight without ever getting hit. No-one has said that anyone can, so what is it that you don't get?

[mpleportals]

Nice video! Well done

[kimakemoen]

this is awesome.

[LordNelle]

Nice! Like the elbowblocks followed by hammerfist.

[pinnafej]

wow you can strike legs too

[haffoc]

Nice work, guys.

[Leondrian]

This is awesome. What a wonderful boxing style. I hope I see this in UFC some day.