Theres improvement with racial/gender equality, but injustice still exists. Systems are in place to protect/secure equality, but are far from perfect. Some suffer severe mental/physical disabilities, yet receive little or no care. Society respects material success and often scorns the homeless. Wealth doesnt dictate good character. Equality should be universally understood but isnt. I see only two things that reflect total equality: Our Finality (& for most of us, except the clergy Taxes).
Hi Rhonda. It all comes down to the need for recognizing basic equalities inherent to all and recognition of the inequalities that our individual pursuits may establish.
Personal accomplishments isn't saying much. In your doctor vs thug example substitute doctor with corrupt politicians and judges, and now the thug is looking much better.
Hello Globalpack. The idea is to recognize that there are both the positive elements and the negative elements that constitute humanity. To replace the positive elements with other negative elements only tends to make the picture look grim all around, but we must acknowledge the positive elements to have a more accurate view of the situation.
Great subject. This is one of the reasons why I chose to argue "in favor of" some forms of religion because some people use their religion to make themselves and others happy while some atheists just tear each other down. It's not inherent in an ism but rather people are different from one another. Equality with respect to the law of the land seems like something I want, however. :)
Hello Barklord. Equality in its basic form, allowing for equal opportunity to enjoy & thrive in life, expect equal punishments for crimes, etc. should be a necessity in Society. The lack of Equality factors in when considering the positive attributes each individual has. Of course, we can factor in the amount of opportunities each individual received in life, but treating all as inherently Equal does injustice to those that excel beyond the ordinary, & unfairly attempts to honor mediocrity.
Interesting video. I enjoyed reading everyone's comments. I think the ideal is that people are treated equally by government. As Jefferson said in the Declaration of Independence: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
Indeed, intracoast. I wish the Founding Fathers would've dealt out the same respect for Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness'' to all their fellow humans, but that's the dark side of history for ya'!
We're all humans (and in that sense we're all equal), and we're all individuals (and in that sense we're not equal). The point of "equality" is not how you compare people, but how you grant rights to people. The doctor has more respect and reverence than the murderer (and hence they aren't equal), but a just society grants them the same rights (and hence equality).
Very good, Javier! That's the bottom line. Recognition of forms of equality are inherent to a just society, just as acknowledgment of the diversity and inequalities of our talents, knowledge, abilities, etc. are justified in expounding the realities inherent within that diversity.
We all have a place. Our place is not equal in all senses, or often in many senses. But we all have worth. On what criteria can we judge equality? Moral fibre? Behaviour (based upon what?)? Intelligence? Qualifications? How much we give, or get? One thing is for sure, I have as much right to be here as anyone else. In that sense we are all equal.
Hello Cathy. The equality of which you speak is the equality of a basic nature inherent to all life. If worth is interchangeable with value or quality, what detrimental qualities are feasibly ascertained to acknowledge the inequality of one person to another?
For me there is no one less, or more, than me. I am not some god in a position to condemn or look down on another, or to decree who anyone else should be. There are so many life circumstances, history, facts about each of us that are contributing factors. I am only able to make such choices about me, for me, how I wish to behave.
Interesting, Cathy. Then an acknowledgment, or maybe more accurately, the non-acknowledgment, of your values, pro or con, should play no factor in decided your value/abilities in the situations that are met in life? What value is an education, or the development of skills, if it shouldn't be a factor in deciding/contemplating your self-worth? This denial of possibly accurate self-worth, even if realistic and justified, has no bearing in a world of unrealistic, forced value-related equilibrium.
These things are only of value if they work for you. There is no specific measure of worth, for the self or for others. Some are fulfilled by being a brain surgeon, others an artist or a road sweeper. Status does not define worth or equality, it only defines status. Many consider the amount of possessions or money they have makes them 'more equal', yet in reality the most incredible people I have met have had no status, no qualifications and no money. Who knows what each person hides within?
Hello, Cathy. In a world with human-induced strife and bloodshed, are the detrimental individuals allotted the same equation to lift them from the realities of their actions to that wonderful place where they can say the things they do ''work for them?''
It's not a wonderful place. Life is messy for us all, but yes, that's what we all do. Justify our actions with our own moral code. Show me one person who thinks what they do is wrong. Some of those who dish out the most pain may well be those who have also received it. That doesn't justify it, all I'm saying is that virtually every person on this planet does what works for them, as best they can, in the circumstances in which they find themselves.
Hi Michael. No post, but I got your pm. I was just going to write and ask if you'd be alright with me posting your comment. YT can sometimes be so annoying.
Indeed, michaelispan. That is an angle to the idea of equality, or inequality, in animals that I didn't explore. My reference to equality in animals was more along the lines of similar abilities, but true, the hierarchal structure in various animal communities demonstrates their societal inequalities as well... a similarity shared with human societies.
What you're saying is we are all different am I correct ?
mrcodypettit 6 months ago
What you're saying is we are all different am I correct ?
mrcodypettit 6 months ago
Right on the topic, sir, such great speech. Most retards when they hear the term ''equality'' , they come up with the race thing.
Of course, people are not equal. No such thing.
RATMW 1 year ago
Theres improvement with racial/gender equality, but injustice still exists. Systems are in place to protect/secure equality, but are far from perfect. Some suffer severe mental/physical disabilities, yet receive little or no care. Society respects material success and often scorns the homeless. Wealth doesnt dictate good character. Equality should be universally understood but isnt. I see only two things that reflect total equality: Our Finality (& for most of us, except the clergy Taxes).
Rhonda9 3 years ago
Hi Rhonda. It all comes down to the need for recognizing basic equalities inherent to all and recognition of the inequalities that our individual pursuits may establish.
DieselBodine 3 years ago
Personal accomplishments isn't saying much. In your doctor vs thug example substitute doctor with corrupt politicians and judges, and now the thug is looking much better.
Globalpack 3 years ago
Hello Globalpack. The idea is to recognize that there are both the positive elements and the negative elements that constitute humanity. To replace the positive elements with other negative elements only tends to make the picture look grim all around, but we must acknowledge the positive elements to have a more accurate view of the situation.
DieselBodine 3 years ago
Great subject. This is one of the reasons why I chose to argue "in favor of" some forms of religion because some people use their religion to make themselves and others happy while some atheists just tear each other down. It's not inherent in an ism but rather people are different from one another. Equality with respect to the law of the land seems like something I want, however. :)
Barklord 3 years ago
Hello Barklord. Equality in its basic form, allowing for equal opportunity to enjoy & thrive in life, expect equal punishments for crimes, etc. should be a necessity in Society. The lack of Equality factors in when considering the positive attributes each individual has. Of course, we can factor in the amount of opportunities each individual received in life, but treating all as inherently Equal does injustice to those that excel beyond the ordinary, & unfairly attempts to honor mediocrity.
DieselBodine 3 years ago
"injustice to those that excel beyond the ordinary, & unfairly attempts to honor mediocrity"
Great point. As an example, we could look at various pop stars talent and compare them to yourself and jazzguts, etc. Where is the real justice?
Barklord 3 years ago
Interesting video. I enjoyed reading everyone's comments. I think the ideal is that people are treated equally by government. As Jefferson said in the Declaration of Independence: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
intracoast 3 years ago
Indeed, intracoast. I wish the Founding Fathers would've dealt out the same respect for Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness'' to all their fellow humans, but that's the dark side of history for ya'!
DieselBodine 3 years ago
We're all humans (and in that sense we're all equal), and we're all individuals (and in that sense we're not equal). The point of "equality" is not how you compare people, but how you grant rights to people. The doctor has more respect and reverence than the murderer (and hence they aren't equal), but a just society grants them the same rights (and hence equality).
CousinoMacul 3 years ago
Very good, Javier! That's the bottom line. Recognition of forms of equality are inherent to a just society, just as acknowledgment of the diversity and inequalities of our talents, knowledge, abilities, etc. are justified in expounding the realities inherent within that diversity.
DieselBodine 3 years ago
Society should grant these basic rights.
Air, food ,space(safe). But Freedom? That should be left to a societal adjudication.
michaelispan 3 years ago
I am in fact enamored with some form of equality in our human society
michaelispan 3 years ago
There are forms of equality that we all may, or should, acknowledge and feel positive feelings toward.
DieselBodine 3 years ago
We all have a place. Our place is not equal in all senses, or often in many senses. But we all have worth. On what criteria can we judge equality? Moral fibre? Behaviour (based upon what?)? Intelligence? Qualifications? How much we give, or get? One thing is for sure, I have as much right to be here as anyone else. In that sense we are all equal.
Loreleila 3 years ago
Hello Cathy. The equality of which you speak is the equality of a basic nature inherent to all life. If worth is interchangeable with value or quality, what detrimental qualities are feasibly ascertained to acknowledge the inequality of one person to another?
DieselBodine 3 years ago
For me there is no one less, or more, than me. I am not some god in a position to condemn or look down on another, or to decree who anyone else should be. There are so many life circumstances, history, facts about each of us that are contributing factors. I am only able to make such choices about me, for me, how I wish to behave.
Loreleila 3 years ago
Interesting, Cathy. Then an acknowledgment, or maybe more accurately, the non-acknowledgment, of your values, pro or con, should play no factor in decided your value/abilities in the situations that are met in life? What value is an education, or the development of skills, if it shouldn't be a factor in deciding/contemplating your self-worth? This denial of possibly accurate self-worth, even if realistic and justified, has no bearing in a world of unrealistic, forced value-related equilibrium.
DieselBodine 3 years ago
These things are only of value if they work for you. There is no specific measure of worth, for the self or for others. Some are fulfilled by being a brain surgeon, others an artist or a road sweeper. Status does not define worth or equality, it only defines status. Many consider the amount of possessions or money they have makes them 'more equal', yet in reality the most incredible people I have met have had no status, no qualifications and no money. Who knows what each person hides within?
Loreleila 3 years ago
Hello, Cathy. In a world with human-induced strife and bloodshed, are the detrimental individuals allotted the same equation to lift them from the realities of their actions to that wonderful place where they can say the things they do ''work for them?''
DieselBodine 3 years ago
It's not a wonderful place. Life is messy for us all, but yes, that's what we all do. Justify our actions with our own moral code. Show me one person who thinks what they do is wrong. Some of those who dish out the most pain may well be those who have also received it. That doesn't justify it, all I'm saying is that virtually every person on this planet does what works for them, as best they can, in the circumstances in which they find themselves.
Loreleila 3 years ago
Hello Cathy did you get my post on friendship? Or the PM? YT is "bugging" me .
michaelispan 3 years ago
Hi Michael. No post, but I got your pm. I was just going to write and ask if you'd be alright with me posting your comment. YT can sometimes be so annoying.
Loreleila 3 years ago
My dear Cathy. I am "alright" with anything you wish to do. You are more than a friend . You are a sister.
michaelispan 3 years ago
:-)
Loreleila 3 years ago
Most communal animals in nature do not exhibit equality(packs prides ect.) Equality is a entirely human social construct.
michaelispan 3 years ago
Indeed, michaelispan. That is an angle to the idea of equality, or inequality, in animals that I didn't explore. My reference to equality in animals was more along the lines of similar abilities, but true, the hierarchal structure in various animal communities demonstrates their societal inequalities as well... a similarity shared with human societies.
DieselBodine 3 years ago
Agreed
michaelispan 3 years ago