Truck 1, Plano Fire , 2 man Ladder & Tool Carry

[rangerman375]

This building they can work off the roof ladder... the next one they didn't video, they grab the pickhead to sink in so the saw man has somewhere to stand... the next one is an excessive pitch so they grabbed the 35 and ran it up from the ground matching the pitch... the next one the driver put the stick up... no need to argue, take what you think is good and screw the bad... just do what you do at your house, safe. No structure's worth one of us.

[ProudVolunteer19]

Wow that is very useful! I'm definitely going to recommend that.

Some people need to cool it. It's only a suggestion of a smart way to work effectively on the fire ground.

Great vid

[slapshotism]

You should be shot with a ball of your own shit! First of all these are your brothers and sisters trying to just get some different ideas out on video! No one said you have to like them or agree. I know I know you sound like a two twenty to me. Quick to respond about how you are bad ass and everyone else is stupid. Really, you should just relax and take it all in. If you actually were a paid prof. with 16 years on the job you would be less likely to be so cirtical of others. Nice day!

[jreyestexas]

@slapshotism Thanks Bro! Be safe!

[mutualaidsupplies]

@slapshotism

That is just an idiot statement all around. If you are not critical of others and yourself then that is when you get injured or killed ! We are here to learn from our mistakes and be better firefighters, NOT down right ignorant for safety. Moron.

[Madrox343]

gota tell yea, i will be happy when plano puts the new mid mount in service

[cougstyle77]

I love the sound of the alumanum ladders . . totally bad ass!!!! Pretty intense I don't know who you guys do it so fast

[eng14ine]

ok couple things...i really liked this portable truck company. we do that with one of the engines and the rescue we run cause the ladders on the other side of town. couple things you fellas might of missed. set of irons and a firemans axe. wat if both saws break and ur far enough away from the truck...a haligan can always be used on a roof somehow...if not on the roof..take your axe and beat it into the ground to act as a foot for the ladder

[jreyestexas]

You're right. I always carry an axe, the OV carries a sledge. If the saws fail, you can cut a hole w/ the axe or bust a hole w/ the sledge. This month's Fire Engineering magazine (MAR 2008) shows using the halligan to heel the ladder. Also... you can cut a hole in the roof with a halligan. Drive the pick into the roof several times about 6" apart to form a square. (this is called "shoe-lacing")then use the flat side of the adze to "connect the dots". Thanks for the comments and be safe.

[eng14ine]

sorry for the shit load of comments i left it didnt seem to want to work. and yeah thats where i got the heel from. i love that magizine. never even thought about venting with a haligan. ive seen them do something like that against panic hardware, start with the pick and then the adze and then the fork, slide it in and hit the bar with the haligan

[bugguy905]

@eng14ine or the flat head ax slammed in the roof as a place to put your foot when your venting a roof a spike does the same thing ... this is a cool pic and having the irons also would help .other then that it is a good video

[wspointman]

Very efficient practice. I like it. Fast simple, and equal workload, I also agree with starting chainsaw on ground and setting break. Some say that it is dangerous, i think its more dangerous to start on the roof, espeacially a roof covered with snow, ice, or a steep pitch.

[bugguy905]

I would rather start it when i am up on the roof and have it slip out of my hand then be climbing a ladder and soemthing happens and the brake comes off and you have a live chair saw . it is to me the safest way to do it is to sart it on the ground for a few secounds know it works and then stop it climb to the roof and then restart it . might take a few extra secounds but we all need to try to do things around the fire ground a little safer. we can learn from many. Thank you and GOD BLESS

[FireMedicGiddy1]

@bugguy905 That's what we do!

[michiganfireman]

You guys still did good with what you had. Real world reality. All these armchair chiefs should have the balls to make a video and be subjected to the same critiques. They won't.

[trickyemt]

It is very common in bigger deparments to climb un heeled ladders. Furthermore, Chainsaws are always started on the ground, chain break set, and climbing with it runing. I guess some small single company or volunteer depatments may still be doing things the slow way with ultra safety overkill! A running saw with the break set never injured a well trained firefighter. Take it from a truckie...all in one fire companies in the rural world just have to tuff it up.

[bugguy905]

wqell you should never climb a ladder with a running saw .. start it on the ground and turn it off and climb then restart what if you fell and the sawy running hits the ground knocking off the saw brake??? to each their own but safety should never be put on the back burner.. other then that .. this is a nice way to show poeple how to get the stuff to the fire.

[mutualaidsupplies]

I agree bugguy905 Safety first always ! And the truckies need to read the national fatality reports. Several injuries and deaths occur to veteran truckies ! Maybe because they think they are untouchable and try to be fast and unsafe by taking unnecessary risks. And if your Training Officer approves of this training he should be fired. Because its a liability just waiting for a firefighter funeral to happen !

[pedalinmedic]

so its not the proper climbing angle...big deal. What concerns me is that no one is footing the ladder, worse is that no one is footing the ladder while the vent man is climbing with a RUNNING saw! WTF?

otherwise it is a great technique and I will pass it on (minus the footing issue and the blantant disregard for safety).

[jreyestexas]

Once again...in the real world, we are a 2 man vent team. Unfortunately, we don't always have somebody to heel the ladder. In our area this technique is used mostly at residential buildings surrounded by soft ground so the ladder is less likely to kick out. Training is different however, and if you'll watch the video again you'll see one of our guys come over and heel the ladder. He got there a little late but it is "footed". Thanks for viewing.

[mutualaidsupplies]

In the real world? What the hell are you talking about. In my real world if there are only 2 men in the vent group the Commander assigns added personnel to get the job done right ! Your statement is just plain ignorant, foolish, and just may add yourself to the National firefighter death statistics.

[ajax631090]

they forgot to see if there arms are straight by standing on the first rung to see if it is at the correct angle

[jreyestexas]

This is a "real world" scenario. The "correct angle" (75.5 degrees) was developed by engineers for the NFPA. It actually has nothing to do with proper climbing angle, but instead it deals with calculations based on ladder ratings, etc.

In the real world you aren't going to waste time by measuring for proper angle, or tying off. These are some lessons we've learned along the way. What we did fail to do in this "scenario" was to properly use the roof ladder. Thanks for viewing

[mutualaidsupplies]

Yes and in the REAL world if you fail to follow NFPA when you get injured or die your benefits will be denied ! The bottom line is not only are your practices unsafe but also open up yourself on liability and negligence for you and your Dept. Your words are full of just plain ole ignorance and complete disregard for the safety of your crew and yourself.

[jreyestexas]

Seriously... A well trained truck crew that opens the roof quick will save lives (firefighter and civilians). You sell your mutual aid supplies, we'll do the firefighting. Have a great day.

[bugguy905]

jrey relax the only thing I seen wrong with this vid is him carrying a running chang saw .. relax and enjoy the comments bro

[mutualaidsupplies]

I am a Firefighter/EMT of 16 years, I have more certs in the Fire Service then there are grains of sand on Florida beaches. With that said, the crap about a truckie saving lives with your methods is not true at all. 1. If the Civilian is still inside and the structure requires venting then that civilian is already dead, you and I both know that.

2. By your careless unsafe actions the only thing you will be doing is putting firefighters in harms way. How is that saving a firefighter?

[jreyestexas]

Wow. I hope you're not the one responsible for venting a house with any of my relatives in there. Sounds like you've already decided they're dead. Based on that, I assume you don't do primary searches either (why go in?, they're already dead)... Unbelievable.

[jmajik171]

Hey mutant aids supplier, Im sure (with your vast amount of knowledge and sand certifications) your have REAL truck experience and have a BETTER way of getting a 2 man vent. team to the roof. You surely haven't offered one up. This works and if the Chief of a Dept. checks off on it, DO IT! THe last time I checked the CITY not the NFPA will be paying the benefits. I also could not find a vent team being killed from a ladder carry, although your Jelly doughnut a#* might be the first. Good Day

[Chief041]

jmajik171 your comments say it all. Which is EXACTLY why:

1. Fire Depts get law suits slapped on them each year and they have to restructure SOPs

2. Why several hundred firefighters are killed or injured. Just because your buddies say its okay to do , does not mean you do it. This is why we have firefighter unions to protect ourselves from Depts looking to save a penny {IE. 2 man truck crew} Vs doing it the correct and safe way !

[WellstonFD]

This is an awesome technique. It will definitely be included in my next Truck Co class. Thanks!

[jreyestexas]

Thanks. It really works well when you can't park right in front of the structure. After doing it a few times, we've made some minor improvements and hope to post an updated video soon.