@kereng5 See the description under the video for more research. you can also google it(Dr.Tarig Al Swaidan discovered some verses in the Holy Qur’an).
Your video says 13, so take a search engine and show me one more verse number with al-bar=land.
Javedmahmood says you have to count "yabas" together with "bar". I think he should have mentioned that you have to combine words to get the desired results.
@kereng5 i see a comment on your channel((untouchable0050 (2 anni fa)))in these 2 year(may be more) you are yet not able to prove or disprove these number?
try this link ( Noon Center For Quranic Studies & Research)change language of web site to download a zip file.
Or just simply google(19 miracle quran)to amaze your self.
What do you mean "not able to prove or disprove"? I have proved that barr=land only appears 12 times and that bahr=sea occurs 33 times.
There are still some of my comments at comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=3u0DhneGm78 though Javedmahmood deleted some of my comments and rejected my video answer watch?v=Llz9AUUfpK0
You know that the "19 miracle" works best if you discard two verses of the koran?
My proof for 12 times land and 33 times sea is in the list of verse numbers that I posted in the comments at Javedmahmood's video and in my video answer which is not in German language: watch?v=Llz9AUUfpK0 .
It makes a difference if you put 12 or 13 in the calculation.
If you believe every assertion without substance you will never be able to find truth.
The so called miracles in the koran are just a selection effect. You present the nice numbers and disregard the rest.
@kereng5 i just watched your video and below a comment the correction by a user that he telling you "Yabas" also mean land.
these are not assertion just calculation.
assertion can be called evolution,gravity by einstein,and big-bang you guy promote. can be easily disproved without deep and long search as you are doing from years.
as i told you in last comment Quran without math has enough evidence.
if one show you exact these number then which change will happen in your belief as atheist?
Yes, I know "yabas" means land and I told you that I know it, so you don't have to tell me again. There is just no miracle when you combine words to get the desired result. But you lie to the world in the video that you counted exactly one word: al-bar=land.
There is no evidence that the koran is from god - with or without math.
Atheism is no believe. It is just the logical result of the absence of any evidence for god.
@kereng5 let's me clear one thing as i told you two time before QURAN WITH OUT MATH has enough evidence that it the word of our Creator.
yr saying can not change nothing as we believe the Quran is the word of our Creator so we preach.if some one study deep to extract these number then go and study deep to disprove these number.
I do not see any logic in atheism,can you prove that atheism is true?
WE can prove God exist then you guy are not able to prove nothing.
@kereng5 I ask about fossil BTW not about rock as many use circular argument that rock date by fossil then fossil dating by rock may you want to use same circular argument?
let's go ahead how many rock you have dated as yet and how many fossil you found in these particular rocks.
we can go more back asking when first living cell start magically and how water came on earth?I mean WHEN every where walking volcanos and meteoroids
falling down then water appear on earth from where?good luck
Endogenous retroviruses (ERV) insert their DNA in a rather random spot of the host DNA. There are some hundred of these ERVs in same spots (orthologous loci) of the human and the chimpanzee genome. The only explanation is that they were inserted in a common ancestor.
@kereng5 For your second comment google these word bellow then follow second link and read below comments for disproving by many, on original video may you have learnt from the same media.
**false claim of Endogenous retroviruses only found in the human and the chimpanzee genome**
now prepare for real questions as you are showing some thing else to prove evolution.
@italiatua and decrease the chances of survival? (Does the individual have a drive to survive, or the species? How do you explain the origin of reproduction?)
How can mutations (recombining of the genetic code) create any new, improved varieties? (Recombining English letters will never produce Chinese books.)
@kereng5 So you mean that plants do not evolve?what have to do with free will?
again do animals not reproduce?
which kind of evolution you talk when all evolutionist say we evolve from animals,also before you were busy to try to prove that human evolve from chimps.
so chimps do not reproduce human by natural selection?????????
@kereng5 first result in google search(Ancestry of a human endogenous retrovirus family.)by Section on Oncogenetics, National Cancer Institute, Bethesda, Maryland 20892 wrote that The human endogenous retrovirus type II (HERVII) family of HERV genomes has been found by Southern blot analysis to be characteristic of humans, apes, and Old World monkeys. New World monkeys and prosimians lack HERVII proviral genomes. Cellular DNAs of humans, common chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutans, ....
@italiatua if you want more then go to other result on google to pick up that not only chimps but others animals also infected by these retrovirus family.
in reality evolutionist try to grapes some kind of evidence but always fail.
(Science has not answered all questions)
in science we will be never to answer all question because we have limited knowledge as human being then we want to understand every thing about creation of our Creator.
JUST try to count the variety and total number(con)
You did not understand my argument. It is NOT that only humans and chimps are prone to retrovirus infections. As far as I know, mice, sheep and even fish have retroviruses.
The human DNA consists of 3 billion base pairs.
When Polavarapu et al. analyzed 425 insertion sites of chimp retroviruses, they found 384 of them IN THE SAME SPOT also in the human DNA.
How unlikely is that if the ERVs were not inserted in a common ancestor?
the human-chimpanzee divergence about *six million years ago*. Comparative analyses of orthologous regions of the human and chimpanzee genomes have revealed that a significant portion of INDEL variation between chimpanzees and humans is attributable to endogenous retroviruses and (((***may be***))) of evolutionary significance.
if you present as evidence when researcher is saying maybe..
everyone has the right to believe what he want.:-)
It is a matter of course for Polavarapu et al that chimpanzees and humans have a common ancestor. The purpose of the paper is not to prove that because every biologist knows it.
They investigate the ERVs of chimps and humans and find that ERVs are so frequent that they are responsible for a lot of mutations and so *may be* responsible for some differences between chimpanzees and humans.
I referred to this paper because it provides the data which I need for my proof.
They say ERVs "may be of evolutionary significance". The meaning is: some of the DIFFERENCES between chimps and humans may be the result of ERV insertion in ONLY ONE of the species after the split.
That has nothing to so with my proof which considers the ERVs that BOTH species have in COMMON. The paper says there are more than 300 shared insertion sites. Considering the largely random choice in 3 billion possible positions, these insertions must have happened in a common ancestor.
@kereng5 Ok! i you ONE other way TO UNDERSTAND the real point when you insist on this argument.the problem is that YOU HAVE TO PROVE much before the evolution from this case of chimps and human, all tree of perfect evolution CHIAN.HOW CAN WE prove when we don't understand the first point in a program and try to prove from middle the entire evolution seem to you a rational and logical behavior?
Read the book of Richard Dawkins!
Evolution is a fact: beyond reasonable doubt, beyond(continue)
@kereng5 serious doubt, beyond sane, informed, intelligent doubt, beyond doubt, evolution is a fact. The evidence for evolution is at least as strong as the evidence for the Holocaust, even allowing for eyewitnesses to the Holocaust. It is the plain truth that we are cousins of the chimpanzees,some what more distant cousins of monkeys, more distant cousins still of aardvarks and manatees yet more distant cousins of bananas and turnips…continue the list as long as desired.
Men and bananas are both multicellular eukaryotes, which makes them closely related to each other compared to cyanobacteria which are more distant cousins.
@kereng5 i do not think that you are expert in this field to make claim about amino acid.
these are world qualified expert in video you have watched and DNA is made by a most Wise to protect himself from error.He allow us to study his creation TO ADMIRE HIS power but when we want to modify then always will be only error.
as we are witness from many mutation.
He said is for beyond and one chance in 10 power 74.
human being are trying, wait until they will be able to create a single live cell.
Doug Axe from the Biologic Institute is not a "world qualified expert".
Real scientists laugh about the Biologic Institute.
Wikipedia: "The scientific community remains skeptical and commentators note that no publications containing results which support intelligent design have yet appeared."
@italiatua "whom are these scientist who laugh on DI?"
Google for "The Discovery Institute is a fringe group of pseudo-scientists who are busily trying to pass themselves off on the unwary as legitimate scientists."
You will find that the quote comes from professors of Southern Methodist University.
This website is good for you who like the Mathematical Miracle of Islam.............. numerical19.tripod.com
fdjohan19 1 year ago
If you count HEREAFTER 115 times, you have to include "AKHIRAT" in 17.7 "... So when the SECOND of the warnings came to pass..."
The numbers for "life" and "death" are wrong.
Why do you count angels in singular+plural and man only in singular?
Land (bahr) appears 12 times and sea (barr) 33 times (singular). Do you want me to post the verse numbers?
And why do you think it is not just coincidence? You would find a miracle of this kind in any book if you just count long enough.
kereng5 1 year ago
@kereng5 See the description under the video for more research. you can also google it(Dr.Tarig Al Swaidan discovered some verses in the Holy Qur’an).
I have no further reference to provide you.
italiatua 1 year ago
@kereng5
Oops, I mixed the words up.
"Bahr" is sea and occurs 33 times and "barr" is land and occurs only 12 times:
5:96 6:59 6:63 6:97 10:22 17:67 17:68 17:70 27:63 29:65 30:41 31:32
Your video says 13, so take a search engine and show me one more verse number with al-bar=land.
Javedmahmood says you have to count "yabas" together with "bar". I think he should have mentioned that you have to combine words to get the desired results.
kereng5 1 year ago
@kereng5 i see a comment on your channel((untouchable0050 (2 anni fa)))in these 2 year(may be more) you are yet not able to prove or disprove these number?
try this link ( Noon Center For Quranic Studies & Research)change language of web site to download a zip file.
Or just simply google(19 miracle quran)to amaze your self.
I do not see any comment on "javed" video by you.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua
What do you mean "not able to prove or disprove"? I have proved that barr=land only appears 12 times and that bahr=sea occurs 33 times.
There are still some of my comments at comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=3u0DhneGm78 though Javedmahmood deleted some of my comments and rejected my video answer watch?v=Llz9AUUfpK0
You know that the "19 miracle" works best if you discard two verses of the koran?
kereng5 1 year ago
@kereng5 I can't understand german language YOU ARE REFERRING AS ANSWER.
YES,for a specific conclusion rashad try to discard 2 verses but there is a lot of truth in general.
if the count is 12 then do not make different for calculation of sea and land on earth.
if you always struggle to find defect in all then you will never be able to find truth.
I can calculate these words from ancient manuscript but it need too much time,I DON'T HAVE.
Quran has enough evidence for humanity without math.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua
My proof for 12 times land and 33 times sea is in the list of verse numbers that I posted in the comments at Javedmahmood's video and in my video answer which is not in German language: watch?v=Llz9AUUfpK0 .
It makes a difference if you put 12 or 13 in the calculation.
If you believe every assertion without substance you will never be able to find truth.
The so called miracles in the koran are just a selection effect. You present the nice numbers and disregard the rest.
kereng5 1 year ago
@kereng5 i just watched your video and below a comment the correction by a user that he telling you "Yabas" also mean land.
these are not assertion just calculation.
assertion can be called evolution,gravity by einstein,and big-bang you guy promote. can be easily disproved without deep and long search as you are doing from years.
as i told you in last comment Quran without math has enough evidence.
if one show you exact these number then which change will happen in your belief as atheist?
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua
Yes, I know "yabas" means land and I told you that I know it, so you don't have to tell me again. There is just no miracle when you combine words to get the desired result. But you lie to the world in the video that you counted exactly one word: al-bar=land.
There is no evidence that the koran is from god - with or without math.
Atheism is no believe. It is just the logical result of the absence of any evidence for god.
kereng5 1 year ago
@kereng5 let's me clear one thing as i told you two time before QURAN WITH OUT MATH has enough evidence that it the word of our Creator.
yr saying can not change nothing as we believe the Quran is the word of our Creator so we preach.if some one study deep to extract these number then go and study deep to disprove these number.
I do not see any logic in atheism,can you prove that atheism is true?
WE can prove God exist then you guy are not able to prove nothing.
so where is your logic ?
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua
Why do you think I can prove nothing? I can prove that the number of primes is infinite. I can prove that men and chimps have a common ancestor.
If you can prove that god exists, why do you try it with this video full of errors?
Because there is no evidence for god, atheism is the most logical way of thinking.
kereng5 1 year ago
@kereng5 so funny what have to do prime numbers with atheism?
most well come to prove common ancestor but before going in detail please explain how you date a fossil?
because many like you always talk "million of years ago" like kids a fairy tale.
go ahead first you.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua
You said I can prove nothing and I gave some examples what i can prove.
Volcanic rock is dated by radiometric analysis.
So fossils between volcanic layers can be dated.
When you have noticed that a fossil is found only in layers of a certain age, you can use it as an index fossil to date unknown layers.
kereng5 1 year ago
@kereng5 I ask about fossil BTW not about rock as many use circular argument that rock date by fossil then fossil dating by rock may you want to use same circular argument?
let's go ahead how many rock you have dated as yet and how many fossil you found in these particular rocks.
we can go more back asking when first living cell start magically and how water came on earth?I mean WHEN every where walking volcanos and meteoroids
falling down then water appear on earth from where?good luck
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua
I did not use a circular argument, and there are volcanic layers in many places that help to date the sediment rock in between.
For the first living cell: watch?v=U6QYDdgP9eg
Why shouldn't water have been on earth right from the beginning (like iron)?
If it got lost, it could have come back in meteoroites. Comets mostly consist of ice.
kereng5 1 year ago
@kereng5 (For the first living cell:)
man,these are all assertion made by you guys do have any evidence why?
Can we produce a single cell having all advance technology ?
may one a as they are trying so much to do then read Quranic challenge to open your eyes,verse 22:73.
one more assertion about water may you have some kind of test to determine when and how?
so these are your proof just easily debunked.
Try to produce solid proof if you can, NO more assertions as i know these all
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua
The proof:
Endogenous retroviruses (ERV) insert their DNA in a rather random spot of the host DNA. There are some hundred of these ERVs in same spots (orthologous loci) of the human and the chimpanzee genome. The only explanation is that they were inserted in a common ancestor.
kereng5 1 year ago
@kereng5 For your second comment google these word bellow then follow second link and read below comments for disproving by many, on original video may you have learnt from the same media.
**false claim of Endogenous retroviruses only found in the human and the chimpanzee genome**
now prepare for real questions as you are showing some thing else to prove evolution.
Where did the space for the universe come from?
Where did matter come from?
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua Where did the laws of the universe come from (gravity, inertia, etc.)?
How did matter get so perfectly organized?
Where did the energy come from to do all the organizing?
When, where, why, and how did life come from non-living matter?
When, where, why, and how did life learn to reproduce itself?
With what did the first cell capable of sexual reproduction reproduce?
Why would any plant or animal want to reproduce more of its kind since this would only make more mouths to feed(continue)
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua and decrease the chances of survival? (Does the individual have a drive to survive, or the species? How do you explain the origin of reproduction?)
How can mutations (recombining of the genetic code) create any new, improved varieties? (Recombining English letters will never produce Chinese books.)
Good luck in advance.kereng5
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua
Plants and animals do not "want" to reproduce. They have not enough free will and most of them cannot think.
kereng5 1 year ago
@kereng5 So you mean that plants do not evolve?what have to do with free will?
again do animals not reproduce?
which kind of evolution you talk when all evolutionist say we evolve from animals,also before you were busy to try to prove that human evolve from chimps.
so chimps do not reproduce human by natural selection?????????
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua
You asked "why would any plant or animal want to reproduce". My answer is: they do not want they just do.
Animals that have no genes that make them reproduce will soon be gone.
I did not say humans evolved from chimps. I said they have a common ancestor.
kereng5 1 year ago
@italiatua
What "second link" do you mean? The one to "freerepublic"? Which comment do you think debunks the proof by ERVs?
More information: "Constructing primate phylogenies from ancient retrovirus sequences" by Johnson and Coffin, full text at pnas(dot)org
and "Identification, characterization and comparative genomics of chimpanzee endogenous retroviruses" by Polavarapu et al.
Science has not answered all questions. Do you think that makes the answers wrong that it has already found?
kereng5 1 year ago
@kereng5 first result in google search(Ancestry of a human endogenous retrovirus family.)by Section on Oncogenetics, National Cancer Institute, Bethesda, Maryland 20892 wrote that The human endogenous retrovirus type II (HERVII) family of HERV genomes has been found by Southern blot analysis to be characteristic of humans, apes, and Old World monkeys. New World monkeys and prosimians lack HERVII proviral genomes. Cellular DNAs of humans, common chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutans, ....
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua if you want more then go to other result on google to pick up that not only chimps but others animals also infected by these retrovirus family.
in reality evolutionist try to grapes some kind of evidence but always fail.
(Science has not answered all questions)
in science we will be never to answer all question because we have limited knowledge as human being then we want to understand every thing about creation of our Creator.
JUST try to count the variety and total number(con)
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua of His creation may not enough a single to get a complete counting.
what we know in this universe in a tiny galaxy then in tiny tiny solar system then more tiny our planet earth?
we all are obligated to learn about creation to admire our Creator not to disprove his existence.
we have only a solid grape our Creator for real success.
please try to understand we are here by our merciful Creator not by chance every thing happening.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua @italiatua
You did not understand my argument. It is NOT that only humans and chimps are prone to retrovirus infections. As far as I know, mice, sheep and even fish have retroviruses.
The human DNA consists of 3 billion base pairs.
When Polavarapu et al. analyzed 425 insertion sites of chimp retroviruses, they found 384 of them IN THE SAME SPOT also in the human DNA.
How unlikely is that if the ERVs were not inserted in a common ancestor?
kereng5 1 year ago
@kereng5 your link saying by Polavarapu et al.
Conclusion.
the human-chimpanzee divergence about *six million years ago*. Comparative analyses of orthologous regions of the human and chimpanzee genomes have revealed that a significant portion of INDEL variation between chimpanzees and humans is attributable to endogenous retroviruses and (((***may be***))) of evolutionary significance.
if you present as evidence when researcher is saying maybe..
everyone has the right to believe what he want.:-)
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua
It is a matter of course for Polavarapu et al that chimpanzees and humans have a common ancestor. The purpose of the paper is not to prove that because every biologist knows it.
They investigate the ERVs of chimps and humans and find that ERVs are so frequent that they are responsible for a lot of mutations and so *may be* responsible for some differences between chimpanzees and humans.
I referred to this paper because it provides the data which I need for my proof.
kereng5 1 year ago
@kereng5 so you mean this is the proof and data when a researcher himself say(retroviruses and (((***may be***))) of evolutionary significance.
You know how much data contain a single cell we can say an entire universe.
watch?v=VC_acwviSiA
Then for creating a cell in lab or even a protein what we need,please watch it.
watch?v=h38Xi-Jz9yk
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua
They say ERVs "may be of evolutionary significance". The meaning is: some of the DIFFERENCES between chimps and humans may be the result of ERV insertion in ONLY ONE of the species after the split.
That has nothing to so with my proof which considers the ERVs that BOTH species have in COMMON. The paper says there are more than 300 shared insertion sites. Considering the largely random choice in 3 billion possible positions, these insertions must have happened in a common ancestor.
kereng5 1 year ago
@kereng5 Ok! i you ONE other way TO UNDERSTAND the real point when you insist on this argument.the problem is that YOU HAVE TO PROVE much before the evolution from this case of chimps and human, all tree of perfect evolution CHIAN.HOW CAN WE prove when we don't understand the first point in a program and try to prove from middle the entire evolution seem to you a rational and logical behavior?
Read the book of Richard Dawkins!
Evolution is a fact: beyond reasonable doubt, beyond(continue)
italiatua 1 year ago
@kereng5 serious doubt, beyond sane, informed, intelligent doubt, beyond doubt, evolution is a fact. The evidence for evolution is at least as strong as the evidence for the Holocaust, even allowing for eyewitnesses to the Holocaust. It is the plain truth that we are cousins of the chimpanzees,some what more distant cousins of monkeys, more distant cousins still of aardvarks and manatees yet more distant cousins of bananas and turnips…continue the list as long as desired.
cousins of bananas?
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua cousins of bananas?
What is the problem?
Men and bananas are both multicellular eukaryotes, which makes them closely related to each other compared to cyanobacteria which are more distant cousins.
kereng5 1 year ago
@kereng5 Then WHY you are in so struggle to prove evolution from ERV,s JUST SIMPLY CAN be said we came from rock,banana,and much more by chance.
it's happen we are here and one day again with this type of mind we will become a news type of species more intelligent like alien.
keep busy your self with these type of assertions for real success. good luck
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua
Your last referred video says:
"If the amino acids are incorrectly assembled, no protein will form"
This is wrong. Slightly different chains will still form a protein.
Then Axe asks: "How many are functional and how many are gibberish?" No answer given. The correct answer would be: lots of them are functional.
kereng5 1 year ago
@kereng5 i do not think that you are expert in this field to make claim about amino acid.
these are world qualified expert in video you have watched and DNA is made by a most Wise to protect himself from error.He allow us to study his creation TO ADMIRE HIS power but when we want to modify then always will be only error.
as we are witness from many mutation.
He said is for beyond and one chance in 10 power 74.
human being are trying, wait until they will be able to create a single live cell.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua
Doug Axe from the Biologic Institute is not a "world qualified expert".
Real scientists laugh about the Biologic Institute.
Wikipedia: "The scientific community remains skeptical and commentators note that no publications containing results which support intelligent design have yet appeared."
kereng5 1 year ago
@kereng5 why you mark spam your own comment to prove your failing?
Do telling you wiki about Axe received a PhD in Chemical Engineering from the California Institute of Technology in 1990.
whom are these scientist who laugh on DI?
PLEASE,Do NOT point out yours teacher as scientist who laugh DI, THERE are many those are laughing on atheism propagating scientist.
Why wiki do you NOT understand a single cell and his mysteries WITH OUT WIKI.
read!
fun-science-how-many-megabytes-in-the-human-body
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua "whom are these scientist who laugh on DI?"
Google for "The Discovery Institute is a fringe group of pseudo-scientists who are busily trying to pass themselves off on the unwary as legitimate scientists."
You will find that the quote comes from professors of Southern Methodist University.
kereng5 1 year ago
@kereng5 if you come back after 2 week, with the study you have founded to prove your point?
let's show may you got some solid knowlege from skeptic media, kereng.cheers
italiatua 1 year ago