If a "Yes" answer to "Have you ever told a lie" makes you a lier (and therefore bad) , then by the exact same logic a "Yes" answer to "Have you ever told the truth?" make you a truthful (and therefore good).
Ditto for all the other questions.
It is the test itself that is untruthful, because it ignores other side of the very same question that wholly counters the original proposal.
@anthakata It’s not about any deed trumping another.
Romans 3:23 …for ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Rom 6:23 For the WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
God is absolutely Holy and cannot let sinners into heaven unless their sins have been paid for which is what Jesus did by dying on the cross. He died our death!
@IDH77 It is indeed about sins trumping good deeds.
You sin: It all get noted down and if you forfeit your right to heaven unless you beg for forgiveness from the deity (who by the way made you this way in the first place)
You do a good deed: Sorry wasn't looking. Doesn't count.
By the way if your last paragraph is true, then my sins have already been paid for, there fore I'm all square.
Then it is the bibles logic that makes no sense. Thank you for clarification. If you are asking would I fail the good person test, then the answer is yes. It is basically, as i see it, a rigged test that is impossible to "pass" because it uses illogicality to give only one possible answer which happens to be the one that fits into whatever religion you are promoting. If you wanna do the test on me i am happy to do it (not sure how it would work though, using the comments would take ages)
but to answer your question directly, i would say that i am a person that does a combination of bad and good things. I think the good things I do outweigh the bad. I would define myself as a moral person, but not by any means a flawless one. I don't believe that limited bad deeds make me "100% bad", any more than limited good deeds make me "100% good". For me its about balance, not extremes. I am aware that this does not fit with your beliefs, but that is freedom!
I did a Google search on "spiritual pride" and it doesn't describe me in any way. However, I am proud of my achievements in life just as I am ashamed in my failings. Don't you have pride in your achievements? or are you so full of self loathing for the sinful creature God made you, that you cannot bear to think that you have a right to take any kind of reward or happiness without constant servitude? Not judging, just asking?
PS Whatever made you believe that i think i am going to heaven!
I LOVE your idea of "proof". You must also agree that "they (atheists) have committed abominable injustice" and "There is no one who does good." (notwithstanding religiously lead abominations).
Also I hope you don't wear clothing of mixed fibres (perhaps elastic in your cotton socks) because it is an abomination.
also: Do you have a good cure for leprosy? (LE 14:49-53)
also: Do you know how to get my cows to make striped calves? (GE 30:37-43)
@anthakata You know its funny when non-believers try to lecture believers about their own faith when they don’t even have the most basic understanding themselves such as the difference between the 2 covenants Old and New.
The proof against reincarnation is absolute!
JESUS CHRIST ROSE FROM THE DEAD!
That’s an absolute established fact! The problem is you’ve never bothered investigating it for yourself.
You are wrong. I was a believer for 15 years. I have investigated plenty.
If the bible is the true word of God then it would speak the absolute truth, and contain no errors of deceptions. If you need to justify what you choose to take as the truth and what to disregard, then it cannot be the word of God.
Do you believe the words of the passage following the Psalms "fool" quote? You don't generally directly answer my questions (par for the course on this topic though).
If the "old" Leviticus laws were superseded by the new covenant, that means you must agree that its OK to be gay. Is it?
There is not a shred of evidence that Jesus even existed let alone rose from the dead (although I'm willing to accept such human, and he would have been human, may have been around). Interestingly There is, however, independent evidence that Mohammed and Budda both existed.
Also
Capital letters don't make it true. They make you look like a angry crazy fundamentalist.
I am not a part of any "crowd". I was 15 years in religion (by the way you are quite correct in your guess, but I wont say which one, because I don't want to start a debate about something I have no wish to defend), and 15 years out of it. I seriously doubt you have any links or literature that I have not seen before. I have had 15 years of personal research and "soul searching" to come to my beliefs. That said, you are absolutely free to PM anything to me, and I will certainly look at it.
Yes, I appreciate that. You may be using them for emphasis in good faith, but honestly, most people interpret it as "shouting" and I don't think it helps. I really wasn't trying to insult you but, it does give your messages a message of anger.
GREAT!!!!!!!!!
prinzessa7 10 months ago
@ghostwriter34344 God is dead? I'm sorry I thought I was talking to an adult!
After you die there are only two places to go to, Heaven or hell!
God is HOLY! He doesn't let unrepentant sinners in like yourself. Hell wasn’t originally created for mankind but the devil and his angels.
Deny God and you are doing the Devil’s work whether or not you believe in him or not.
IDH77 11 months ago
@ghostwriter34344 The God who tells you not to lie not to cheat or steal or murder is a psycho?
It sounds like you’ve got you're morals all turned upside down, but that’s typical for your average atheist who only wants to do what HE wants!
The problem with atheists is that they're so far up their own backside they don’t realise that its them who are acting like psychos.
IDH77 11 months ago
im sorry but...the whole world is been stolen...so what does it matter if you steal something from the real thieves....
We were learned to lie....you can say the truth in this world , they will kill ya...
So this whole video...is rediculous.
Stealing and lying is no sin ! Its all about the intention !!!!!!
I wouldnt steal from someone who' poor....
Jezus knows
WeAreONEbigFamily 1 year ago
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WeAreONEbigFamily 1 year ago
If a "Yes" answer to "Have you ever told a lie" makes you a lier (and therefore bad) , then by the exact same logic a "Yes" answer to "Have you ever told the truth?" make you a truthful (and therefore good).
Ditto for all the other questions.
It is the test itself that is untruthful, because it ignores other side of the very same question that wholly counters the original proposal.
anthakata 1 year ago
@anthakata But doing good deeds does not pay for past sins!
You're just ignoring the fact that sinners by themselves cannot enter the Kingdom of God.
IDH77 1 year ago
@IDH77 A simple question: Why?
Why do sins automatically trump good deeds?
Why do multiple good deeds not trump single sins?
It is illogical and unjust. Is God illogical, unjust, both?
Have you ever made bread?
Yes
What do you call someone who bakes bread?
A baker.
So you are a baker.
ehh no....
anthakata 1 year ago
@anthakata It’s not about any deed trumping another.
Romans 3:23 …for ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Rom 6:23 For the WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
God is absolutely Holy and cannot let sinners into heaven unless their sins have been paid for which is what Jesus did by dying on the cross. He died our death!
IDH77 1 year ago
@IDH77 It is indeed about sins trumping good deeds.
You sin: It all get noted down and if you forfeit your right to heaven unless you beg for forgiveness from the deity (who by the way made you this way in the first place)
You do a good deed: Sorry wasn't looking. Doesn't count.
By the way if your last paragraph is true, then my sins have already been paid for, there fore I'm all square.
anthakata 1 year ago
P.S
"Good Person Test" logic time
A: Have you ever done anything good?
B: Yes.
A: What do you call someone who does good things?
B: Ummm.....good?
A: Oh yeah, thats right. Whoops.
B: Hang on, I thought Luke 18:19 said "No one is good--except God alone"
A: Yes thats right, so therefore you must be God.
B: Sweeeeet
anthakata 1 year ago
@anthakata That is the most childish thing I’ve read so far on YouTube and I’ve read some very childish things.
Do you know the definition of absolute GOOD? Its never having sinned!
So have you ever lied stole something or lusted after someone sexually?
Then you are a sinner by definition!
Eze 18:20 The soul who sins shall die…
IDH77 1 year ago
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anthakata 1 year ago
@IDH77 Interesting that you should think it is childish, because it uses YOUR logic not mine.
Also interesting that the insult trading has started, alway sign of the lack of a good argument.
anthakata 1 year ago
@anthakata My logic? I’m using the Bibles logic which I didn’t make up.
Are you saying you’ve never done anything wrong? Or is it that you have but don’t want to admit that you're actions are sinful.
Definition of a sinner? Someone who sins!
Are you a sinner or not?
IDH77 1 year ago
Then it is the bibles logic that makes no sense. Thank you for clarification. If you are asking would I fail the good person test, then the answer is yes. It is basically, as i see it, a rigged test that is impossible to "pass" because it uses illogicality to give only one possible answer which happens to be the one that fits into whatever religion you are promoting. If you wanna do the test on me i am happy to do it (not sure how it would work though, using the comments would take ages)
anthakata 1 year ago
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anthakata 1 year ago
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but to answer your question directly, i would say that i am a person that does a combination of bad and good things. I think the good things I do outweigh the bad. I would define myself as a moral person, but not by any means a flawless one. I don't believe that limited bad deeds make me "100% bad", any more than limited good deeds make me "100% good". For me its about balance, not extremes. I am aware that this does not fit with your beliefs, but that is freedom!
anthakata 1 year ago
@anthakata The REAL problem is that you are full of spiritual pride and think you're good enough for heaven on your own merits.
Isaiah 64:6 But we are all like an unclean thing, And all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags…
You have no idea of the absolute holiness of God!
IDH77 1 year ago
I did a Google search on "spiritual pride" and it doesn't describe me in any way. However, I am proud of my achievements in life just as I am ashamed in my failings. Don't you have pride in your achievements? or are you so full of self loathing for the sinful creature God made you, that you cannot bear to think that you have a right to take any kind of reward or happiness without constant servitude? Not judging, just asking?
PS Whatever made you believe that i think i am going to heaven!
anthakata 1 year ago
@anthakata Well if you're not going to heaven you're going to hell! There's no middle ground.
Reincarnation was proved false 2000 years ago by the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ and materialistic atheism is pure foolishness. Psa 14:1
IDH77 1 year ago
I LOVE your idea of "proof". You must also agree that "they (atheists) have committed abominable injustice" and "There is no one who does good." (notwithstanding religiously lead abominations).
Also I hope you don't wear clothing of mixed fibres (perhaps elastic in your cotton socks) because it is an abomination.
also: Do you have a good cure for leprosy? (LE 14:49-53)
also: Do you know how to get my cows to make striped calves? (GE 30:37-43)
Don't believe everything you read.
anthakata 1 year ago
@anthakata You know its funny when non-believers try to lecture believers about their own faith when they don’t even have the most basic understanding themselves such as the difference between the 2 covenants Old and New.
The proof against reincarnation is absolute!
JESUS CHRIST ROSE FROM THE DEAD!
That’s an absolute established fact! The problem is you’ve never bothered investigating it for yourself.
IDH77 1 year ago
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anthakata 1 year ago
You are wrong. I was a believer for 15 years. I have investigated plenty.
If the bible is the true word of God then it would speak the absolute truth, and contain no errors of deceptions. If you need to justify what you choose to take as the truth and what to disregard, then it cannot be the word of God.
Do you believe the words of the passage following the Psalms "fool" quote? You don't generally directly answer my questions (par for the course on this topic though).
anthakata 1 year ago
If the "old" Leviticus laws were superseded by the new covenant, that means you must agree that its OK to be gay. Is it?
There is not a shred of evidence that Jesus even existed let alone rose from the dead (although I'm willing to accept such human, and he would have been human, may have been around). Interestingly There is, however, independent evidence that Mohammed and Budda both existed.
Also
Capital letters don't make it true. They make you look like a angry crazy fundamentalist.
anthakata 1 year ago
@anthakata No the moral Laws were not superseded just the ceremonial laws such the Temple Laws and the food laws. See Romans 1:26-27 and 1 Cor 6:9-11
There is plenty of evidence that Jesus existed outside of the New Testament!
No unbiased person could deny that Jesus existed unless you belong to the nutcase Zeitgeist crowd!
If you want I can send you links via PM.
What were you, Roman Catholic or a Jehovah’s Witness? I doubt you were an evangelical.
IDH77 1 year ago
I am not a part of any "crowd". I was 15 years in religion (by the way you are quite correct in your guess, but I wont say which one, because I don't want to start a debate about something I have no wish to defend), and 15 years out of it. I seriously doubt you have any links or literature that I have not seen before. I have had 15 years of personal research and "soul searching" to come to my beliefs. That said, you are absolutely free to PM anything to me, and I will certainly look at it.
anthakata 1 year ago
@anthakata Sorry but caps is the only emphasise anything on this limited system.
IDH77 1 year ago
Yes, I appreciate that. You may be using them for emphasis in good faith, but honestly, most people interpret it as "shouting" and I don't think it helps. I really wasn't trying to insult you but, it does give your messages a message of anger.
anthakata 1 year ago
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If having lied makes me a liar, does having believed in Jesus Christ make me a believer in Jesus Christ? :)
Hairysteed 1 year ago
Thanks for the upload!
ChristiansofAsia 1 year ago