What about Jesus becoming our Sabbath - Matthew 11:28 - I can't really break the whole thing down - especially like this - but I suggest you search the video "Profaning The Sabbath" by Truecore08 - it's a hour long but I hope it be a blessing
@clarkewi The Donatists would be insulted by that comment. For protestants are nothing like the Donatists. The only thing they have in common is that they oppose the Catholic Curch and both were persecuted by the RCC. But that's were the similarities end.
@TrustinJC You sound knowlegeable about the Donatists. I just learned about them recently in investigating how Augustine allegedly launched (on the Vatican's behalf) a persecution of the Donatists and used Arabs for the project. Allegedly, this persecution led to what became Islam a century later. Another group I learned about were the "Donatist CIRCUMCELLIONS". Did they get their name from issues surrounding circumcision? How did they get their name and the "CIRCUM"? Cheers from New Zealand
@clarkewi The Circumcellions have been likened to and linked to the Donatists. This is in large part due to the fact they were forced to align themselfs against the RCC. They each had a common enemy in the RCC.
The circumcellions, however, differed greatly in their attittude towards martyrdom.
While the Donatists believed martyrdom was actually an honor and something that should not be shyed away from, the Circumcellions believed it was something to strive for.
@clarkewi Pt 2 The Circumcellions would actually attack strangers shouting something in regards to God or Christ. But their attack was done in the hope of provoking the stranger into killing them.
So it wasn't really martyrdom but rather suicide. They, unfortunately, considered it a martyrs death.
No surprise than that the Circumcellions didn't last long as a religious movement.
The Donatists, however, did not practice suicide/martyrdom by provoking strangers.
you refered me to matthew 5 : 13-17 where Jesus says he has not destroyed the law but fulfilled it, is it then that we must keep all the law, concerning the sabbath is it enough to
"basically, do NO work..not even exercise...do not toil, cook, or boil. It is a day of rest and connect with The Father...truly, a blessing. No worldly pleasure...try to utilize this time in prayer and in the word." or is there more to keeping the sabbath?
Excellent video message. i want to ask if we keep the sabbath, what does that entail? are we under law to follow every sabbath command found in scripture or be guilty of transgressing them all? if I am a child of God but not a hebrew do things change in regard to the law and the sabbath?
@huskais reading Matt 5:17-30 will answer all of your questions. He wants us to be as righteous as we can....Jew or Gentile. Judaism has added alot of burdens concerning Shabbat (see Matt 23)...basically, do NO work..not even exercise...do not toil, cook, or boil. It is a day of rest and connect with The Father...truly, a blessing. No worldly pleasure...try to utilize this time in prayer and in the word. Man was not made to go 24/7.
@huskais That's a very good question. and not one easily explained by way of comments. It really needs another video to answer.
I would like to say that it is something I'm still studying and asking God for discernment.
But without question Work, travel, and todays normal activities are to be avoided. This means things like grocery shopping and doing laundry should be avoided. For the majority of times we do these, it is done for personal reasons and can be avoided.
@huskais Pt 2 From time to time my employer asks me to work Saturday. This might happen 8-12 times a year. I have a choice to break the sabbath and work, or keep the sabbath and refuse to work, which might result in a lay off or reduced hours at work through the week. On the days I've worked I felt spiritually unclean. And the only way I could feel clean again is by giving the money I earned away. In this way, my work was for the good of others rather than my own personal gain.
@huskais Pt 3 most Christians love to point to Acts 15 in defence of Gentiles having very few restrictions. What they fail to realize is the letter was written for new Gentile Christians. James says "we should not make it difficult for the Gentile who is turning to God". So the instructions were for people who were hearing about and turning to God for the first time. They were only recieving milk, as meat would have been too much to swallow.
The Jews, before the time of Christ, were so fanatical that they refused to defend themselves on the Sabbath. Their enemy knew that and killed them on that day. The book of Acts lays down the foundation for the Sunday observance. Godly people can defend themselves on the Sabbath day and they can heal on that day. The history of persecution portrayed in the Book of Acts is supported by History. The Seventh day observance became a hazard and the Sunday observance is a historical witness.
@MrPeaceKey Sunday used to be observed as a special day. That is a problem, but not the support it gives for Scripture. A fanatical focus on a specific day, to the point of people giving their lives in support of it, is not supported by scriptures. Doing that is contrary to the details God and Christ gave as to how to properly observe it. It is to be a rest. The Pharisees said Christ broke it, but he denied it. Now numbers of Christians say he broke it.
@MrPeaceKey No Christian would ever claim Jesus broke the sabbath. Those claims come from nonbelievers. The same people would say Jesus was in error when he said divorcing and remarrying is adultery.
Jesus explained the sabbath was made for our benefit. And doing good on it is the proper way to observe it. But it can not be good for our own selfish reasons. For that is not truly doing good when we are motivated by selfish reasons.
@MrPeaceKey Where is the evidence for this? Where does scripture say we cannot defend ourselves on the sabbath? For there is reference to being forced to do things against our will, and that we will not be found guilty in thoses cases.
So please show examples of the sabbath restrictions became a hazard.
Sunday was not an observance of a sabbath. Just because people gathered on Sunday is not evidence it was observed as a sabbath. Nor is it evidence the 7th day was no longer observed.
I still think you have paul all messed up, Paul teaches the law and kept it. Not under the law doesn't mean not under it's force', 2nd to that there is the rabbinic laws to look into, we certainly arn't under those.
@sparkshot Galtians 2:18-19 (NLT) reads: Rather, I am a sinner if I rebuild the old system of law I already tore down. 19 For when I tried to keep the law, it condemned me. So I died to the law—I stopped trying to meet all its requirements—so that I might live for God.
Paul is direct and to the point that he has torn down the law, and states he would be a sinner if he tried to rebuild it - meaning, to live by it.
@TrustinJC - Depends which translation you read, that one sounds lawless yeah but others don't. Also I have reason to believe he's talking about rabbinic loral torah/ laws or trying to keep the written one in the wrong ways. For all the apparent lawless paul scriptures you show I'm sure I could show them saying the opposite.
@sparkshot I don't believe teaching some truth is the basis for determining if someone is a true apostle. Paul did, in fact, teach some truth. Some of his teachings line up with Christ and the true apostles. But that is the method by which people are fooled and poisoned. False prophets and lying apostles mix the truth with lies.
@sparkshot I used to think as you. That Paul was misunderstood, by those who twist things to their own destruction. But there are two important verses in Rev 2:14 and 2:2. No one in the bible claims to be an apostle except Paul. Greater than all the apostles, because he has suffered more. Then says he is least of the apostles. According to Peter, to be an Apostle, they had to be at the Baptism of Jesus and with Jesus all the way to seeing him go into heaven Barnabas was there and was not chosen
@handydude6 - Why do the apostles give him the thumbs up then, especially in that passage where one of them talks about people twisting his writings. (can't rmemeber exact quote but you know the one)
@sparkshot you are refering to II Pet 3:15...a forgery. The books of Peter were written by Silvanus..a scribe of Paul. The writings of Paul and Peter are strangely similar, and Paul seemed to need an alibi, as he was being rebuked the longer he preached...see II Tim 1:15...then read Rev 2-3. Paul does not meet the criteria for an Apostle in Acts 1:15-30. We know that there were only 12..see Rev 21:14.
If Paul was truly sent by Y'Shua...then why is not everything he says congruent with Him? Hmm
@bridgerbergman - Dunno, I still see Paul as teaching us to obey Christ and the Torah, it was Paul who led me to think the Law was to be kept, hence my ongoing repentance to it. Throw Paul out if you want, I'm keeping him, he not Lawless in my opinion, weather you accept those books or not I doubt is salvational issue unless misled. Seeing as he helped me find the Law (that was in the bible all along) I'm cool with him. The question is HOW to follow these laws, awkward undoing lawlessness.
@sparkshot Paul said that Torah was nailed to the cross ( Col 2:14 )..that following the Law made His death for naught (Gal 5:4 & Rom 10:4)..that eating food sacrificed to idols is ok (I Cor 8-10)..that all things were lawful (I Cor 6:12 & 10:23).
His 3 versions of his unwitnessed and uncorrorborated 'conversion' is highly suspect. I thought that these were the words of The Holy Ghost? He is very bostful and seems to come in his own name ( see Jn 5:43). We keep Pauls letters as told in Matt 13.
@bridgerbergman - it isn't the law nailed to the cross, but the penalty for breaking it as i understand it, also rabbinic laws. all things are lawful in the confines of the law, not anything goes. and when he goes on about 'building those things that i once destroyed' it wasn't the written law. Whatever, CBA to argue over it.
@sparkshot as long as one follows the Commandments...the validity of Paul is a non-issue. It is very possible the RCC twisted the words of Paul to promote lawlessness; prophezied in Dan 7:25 and Condemned in Matt 7:21-23. Much love and many blessings to you.
@clarkewi you mean the writings attributed to Peter, that are written by the same scribe as found in Paul's writings ( i.e. Silvanus see I Thess & II Thess 1:1, II Cor 1:19...and of course, I Pet 5:12 ), said that Paul was easy to misunderstand. Y'Shua warned Peter that someone would plagerize him in Jn 21. Do you really beleive that Peter would vouge for a man that spoke things different than the Son of God? Are you sure about that?
@bridgerbergman Jesus also spoke that when Peter was young, he was able to lead his own way, and that when he became old, others would lead him - seemingly a reference to Paul, the younger more aggressive evangelist.
@clarkewi Paul spoke things that are different and antithetical to the teachings of The Son of God.....who warned of those "coming in their own name; and those would be believed.." Jn 5:43. Did not Y'Shua do a complete Ministry? Did He leave anything undone? If Y'Shua, indeed, sent Paul...why does Paul say things different than He? Y'Shua warned us of such things....better to be on the safe side and follow The Son of God....do you not agree?
@bridgerbergman According to Acts 15:21, Paul, on behalf of James and the Nazarenes was to bring the "Good News" to the heathen gentiles, with some relaxation of mitzvot. Paul proved himself to "The Pillars" of the Nazarenes. If is ministry was to spread the word of Jesus, then he did a brilliant job and achieved his goal. Yes there is apostasy in the Roman Catholic church, but the story isn't over yet. All will be revealed in the end.
@clarkewi I agree....if one keeps The Commands of The Most High AND has the testimony of Y'Shua HaMashiach....it matters not who one studies. Much love and many blessings to you.
When you look at the Sabbath closely in the Bible. The first one of each month was on the new moon. Then every seven days after. The Sabbath was changed to Friday sundown to Saturday sundown by Mammonides in the 13th century, to fit in with the Roman Calendar. So the Sabbath changes almost every month as compared to the Roman days of the week. Because the Moon travels around the earth every 29 1/2 days. Writings by Philo, tell what the Christians were keeping in the 1st Century.
@handydude6 The Hebrews caved into the pressure brought by the Pope, and his Templars. So the Sabbath was changed. Surprisingly late in the 13th Centruy.
@handydude6 The calendar was changed long before the 13th century. The Sabbath had always been on the 7th day, which is Saturday. There were what became known and called as sabbaths that were not connected to the 7th day of rest. There were new moon sabbaths, for example. But the 7th day sabbath remains the same. Or are you suggesting, for example, they stopped counting from the 3rd day of the week and started over at number 7 when a new moon occured?
@TrustinJC Not true what you said about the holidays being separate from the Sabbath. The Holidays are set according to the new moons and so is the 7th day sabbath. Friday sundown to Saturday sundown was adoped by Mammonides. Under pressure by the pope. Search; Philo Sabbath
@handydude6 I understand what you say brother....but, what about Matt 28:1? And where does it say in scripture that the new moon is to be "skipped" in the count? The first day of the week does not necessarily begin with the new moon. Beleive me, I see the validity in the lunars....but, these 2 examples create a problem. Wasn't sabbath made for man and not man made for sabbath? The Command id "6 days work..." The lunar schedule requires sometimes 8 days between Sabbaths. Any thoughts?
@bridgerbergman Matt 28:1 is a figure of speech. Like the day star rising in your heart. The dawn of the first day, may not mean the sun was rising. It might mean the first day of the week was approaching. From what I have read. The first day of the MONTH was always a sabbath, but the first day of the WEEK; was the day after the Sabbath. Not really two separate calandars, but two different ways to express. Because their vocabulary was extremely limited. They only had 10,000 words vs our 250,000
@handydude6 but, Matt 28:1 says at the end of the Sabbath towards the 1st day of the week......I know, it is very convoluted. Last Oct, I think, yhere was 8 days between sabbaths via the lunars. That is against The Command. Like I said....if there was 1 question I could ask and get an audible answer......I observe both just in case. I am off Sat anyways...so, I feel as though I am not doing enough. The lunars I have to work, I fast and wear my tzizits, I take off when I can...con'td
@bridgerbergman but...eating up my vacation does not bode well with my employer...surely, we are not to test Father and say..."oh well...I just won't work and let God provide"....that cannot be the meaning of Sabbath.
Seriously ...give me the absolute correct answer....(just kidding).
May everyone receive mercy and Father forgive us for our confusion!!!!
@handydude6 I have atremendous amount of respect for your opinion....and want nothing more than the truth on this very convoluted subject. The Command IS to work 6 and rest the 7th.....the "saturnalia" tag is a little ambiguous as sometimes the lunars do fall on Sat....is it possible that The Most High knew that the adversary would pollute this and gave us some wiggle room? Saturday IS the last day of the week....for as long since the dawn of time. ugh????
@handydude6 the problem with the lunars is Matt 28:1...also, Father went to great detail about the events of the 7 day creation week. The 7 day week has been all throughout recorded time. Nowhere in scripture does it say to "skip: counting a day via the new moon. I do see the validity in the lunars...it is a very convoluted subject.
Truly, I tell you, if I could ask Him ONE question and get an audible answer....this would be the one.
@handydude6 the problem with the lunars is Matt 28:1...also, Father went to great detail about the events of the 7 day creation week. The 7 day week has been all throughout recorded time. Nowhere in scripture does it say to "skip: counting a day via the new moon. I do see the validity in the lunars...it is a very convoluted subject.
Truly, I tell you, if I could ask Him ONE question and get an audible answer....this would be the one.
I asked my pastor, and he said that Saturday was the Sabbath, but we(they), keep Sunday because he rose on it. I also asked another pastor, and he said that it don't matter what day we keep, just as long as we give him a day. Then another pastor told me that we are to keep everyday as the Sabbath. Even these pastors are in disagreement. I think that I will just stick to what the Creator tells us. That way I cant go wrong, and keep it as he say to keep it.
@kbdory - I found the same thing, everyone also gets all hot about it too. Sabbath is to be kept, if we don't like it tough! I find it a pain and difficult but I try to keep it anyway.
@s7pgo thank you. It is unfortunate that repentance is no longer taught as it must be. some do not teach the need to repent even at the time of conversion. but rather simply need to confess Christ as Lord. Others say we need only repent once at the time of conversion. And because we are covered by grace repentance is no longer needed when we sin after our conversion.
I believe you are correct. When I talk to people about the true Sabbath or dietary laws they always quote from Paul to contradict what God's Law says. Romans is a big favorite for them to quote from.
What about Jesus becoming our Sabbath - Matthew 11:28 - I can't really break the whole thing down - especially like this - but I suggest you search the video "Profaning The Sabbath" by Truecore08 - it's a hour long but I hope it be a blessing
BsmJahsh 4 days ago
The Donatists were the first Protestants.
clarkewi 1 month ago
@clarkewi The Donatists would be insulted by that comment. For protestants are nothing like the Donatists. The only thing they have in common is that they oppose the Catholic Curch and both were persecuted by the RCC. But that's were the similarities end.
The Donatists took their lead from the Essenes.
TrustinJC 1 month ago
@TrustinJC You sound knowlegeable about the Donatists. I just learned about them recently in investigating how Augustine allegedly launched (on the Vatican's behalf) a persecution of the Donatists and used Arabs for the project. Allegedly, this persecution led to what became Islam a century later. Another group I learned about were the "Donatist CIRCUMCELLIONS". Did they get their name from issues surrounding circumcision? How did they get their name and the "CIRCUM"? Cheers from New Zealand
clarkewi 1 month ago
@clarkewi The Circumcellions have been likened to and linked to the Donatists. This is in large part due to the fact they were forced to align themselfs against the RCC. They each had a common enemy in the RCC.
The circumcellions, however, differed greatly in their attittude towards martyrdom.
While the Donatists believed martyrdom was actually an honor and something that should not be shyed away from, the Circumcellions believed it was something to strive for.
con't
TrustinJC 1 month ago
@clarkewi Pt 2 The Circumcellions would actually attack strangers shouting something in regards to God or Christ. But their attack was done in the hope of provoking the stranger into killing them.
So it wasn't really martyrdom but rather suicide. They, unfortunately, considered it a martyrs death.
No surprise than that the Circumcellions didn't last long as a religious movement.
The Donatists, however, did not practice suicide/martyrdom by provoking strangers.
TrustinJC 1 month ago
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@bridgerbergman
you refered me to matthew 5 : 13-17 where Jesus says he has not destroyed the law but fulfilled it, is it then that we must keep all the law, concerning the sabbath is it enough to
"basically, do NO work..not even exercise...do not toil, cook, or boil. It is a day of rest and connect with The Father...truly, a blessing. No worldly pleasure...try to utilize this time in prayer and in the word." or is there more to keeping the sabbath?
pardon my lack of insight around this
huskais 1 month ago
Excellent video message. i want to ask if we keep the sabbath, what does that entail? are we under law to follow every sabbath command found in scripture or be guilty of transgressing them all? if I am a child of God but not a hebrew do things change in regard to the law and the sabbath?
may Jesus bless you
huskais 1 month ago
@huskais reading Matt 5:17-30 will answer all of your questions. He wants us to be as righteous as we can....Jew or Gentile. Judaism has added alot of burdens concerning Shabbat (see Matt 23)...basically, do NO work..not even exercise...do not toil, cook, or boil. It is a day of rest and connect with The Father...truly, a blessing. No worldly pleasure...try to utilize this time in prayer and in the word. Man was not made to go 24/7.
Read Rev 12:17, 14:12, & 22:14..May He bless you right back
bridgerbergman 1 month ago
@huskais That's a very good question. and not one easily explained by way of comments. It really needs another video to answer.
I would like to say that it is something I'm still studying and asking God for discernment.
But without question Work, travel, and todays normal activities are to be avoided. This means things like grocery shopping and doing laundry should be avoided. For the majority of times we do these, it is done for personal reasons and can be avoided.
Con't
TrustinJC 1 month ago
@huskais Pt 2 From time to time my employer asks me to work Saturday. This might happen 8-12 times a year. I have a choice to break the sabbath and work, or keep the sabbath and refuse to work, which might result in a lay off or reduced hours at work through the week. On the days I've worked I felt spiritually unclean. And the only way I could feel clean again is by giving the money I earned away. In this way, my work was for the good of others rather than my own personal gain.
con't
TrustinJC 1 month ago
@huskais Pt 3 most Christians love to point to Acts 15 in defence of Gentiles having very few restrictions. What they fail to realize is the letter was written for new Gentile Christians. James says "we should not make it difficult for the Gentile who is turning to God". So the instructions were for people who were hearing about and turning to God for the first time. They were only recieving milk, as meat would have been too much to swallow.
TrustinJC 1 month ago
will continue in the a.m......must put my 5 yr old to bed...much love and blessings to both of you.
bridgerbergman 1 month ago
Of course the Sabbath day was given in the wilderness before the commandments as a test. Thanks for the sharing.
maximumrule 1 month ago
The Jews, before the time of Christ, were so fanatical that they refused to defend themselves on the Sabbath. Their enemy knew that and killed them on that day. The book of Acts lays down the foundation for the Sunday observance. Godly people can defend themselves on the Sabbath day and they can heal on that day. The history of persecution portrayed in the Book of Acts is supported by History. The Seventh day observance became a hazard and the Sunday observance is a historical witness.
MrPeaceKey 1 month ago
@MrPeaceKey Sunday used to be observed as a special day. That is a problem, but not the support it gives for Scripture. A fanatical focus on a specific day, to the point of people giving their lives in support of it, is not supported by scriptures. Doing that is contrary to the details God and Christ gave as to how to properly observe it. It is to be a rest. The Pharisees said Christ broke it, but he denied it. Now numbers of Christians say he broke it.
MrPeaceKey 1 month ago
@MrPeaceKey No Christian would ever claim Jesus broke the sabbath. Those claims come from nonbelievers. The same people would say Jesus was in error when he said divorcing and remarrying is adultery.
Jesus explained the sabbath was made for our benefit. And doing good on it is the proper way to observe it. But it can not be good for our own selfish reasons. For that is not truly doing good when we are motivated by selfish reasons.
The sabbath must be observed as Jesus taught.
TrustinJC 1 month ago
@MrPeaceKey Where is the evidence for this? Where does scripture say we cannot defend ourselves on the sabbath? For there is reference to being forced to do things against our will, and that we will not be found guilty in thoses cases.
So please show examples of the sabbath restrictions became a hazard.
Sunday was not an observance of a sabbath. Just because people gathered on Sunday is not evidence it was observed as a sabbath. Nor is it evidence the 7th day was no longer observed.
TrustinJC 1 month ago
I still think you have paul all messed up, Paul teaches the law and kept it. Not under the law doesn't mean not under it's force', 2nd to that there is the rabbinic laws to look into, we certainly arn't under those.
sparkshot 1 month ago
@sparkshot Galtians 2:18-19 (NLT) reads: Rather, I am a sinner if I rebuild the old system of law I already tore down. 19 For when I tried to keep the law, it condemned me. So I died to the law—I stopped trying to meet all its requirements—so that I might live for God.
Paul is direct and to the point that he has torn down the law, and states he would be a sinner if he tried to rebuild it - meaning, to live by it.
Con't
TrustinJC 1 month ago
@sparkshot Pt 2 Paul then says he is better able to live for God when he stops trying to meet all it's requirements.
Paul also taught is was acceptable to think of him as our spiritual father and to eat food sacrificed to idols.
This goes against the teachings of Jesus and the true apostles.
TrustinJC 1 month ago
@TrustinJC - Depends which translation you read, that one sounds lawless yeah but others don't. Also I have reason to believe he's talking about rabbinic loral torah/ laws or trying to keep the written one in the wrong ways. For all the apparent lawless paul scriptures you show I'm sure I could show them saying the opposite.
sparkshot 1 month ago
@sparkshot I don't believe teaching some truth is the basis for determining if someone is a true apostle. Paul did, in fact, teach some truth. Some of his teachings line up with Christ and the true apostles. But that is the method by which people are fooled and poisoned. False prophets and lying apostles mix the truth with lies.
TrustinJC 1 month ago
@TrustinJC Agreed. We have a saying here in the south that "Satan will give you a lake of truth just to get you to drink an ounce of poison".
tjrod672 1 month ago
@sparkshot I used to think as you. That Paul was misunderstood, by those who twist things to their own destruction. But there are two important verses in Rev 2:14 and 2:2. No one in the bible claims to be an apostle except Paul. Greater than all the apostles, because he has suffered more. Then says he is least of the apostles. According to Peter, to be an Apostle, they had to be at the Baptism of Jesus and with Jesus all the way to seeing him go into heaven Barnabas was there and was not chosen
handydude6 1 month ago
@handydude6 - Why do the apostles give him the thumbs up then, especially in that passage where one of them talks about people twisting his writings. (can't rmemeber exact quote but you know the one)
sparkshot 1 month ago
@sparkshot you are refering to II Pet 3:15...a forgery. The books of Peter were written by Silvanus..a scribe of Paul. The writings of Paul and Peter are strangely similar, and Paul seemed to need an alibi, as he was being rebuked the longer he preached...see II Tim 1:15...then read Rev 2-3. Paul does not meet the criteria for an Apostle in Acts 1:15-30. We know that there were only 12..see Rev 21:14.
If Paul was truly sent by Y'Shua...then why is not everything he says congruent with Him? Hmm
bridgerbergman 1 month ago
@bridgerbergman - Dunno, I still see Paul as teaching us to obey Christ and the Torah, it was Paul who led me to think the Law was to be kept, hence my ongoing repentance to it. Throw Paul out if you want, I'm keeping him, he not Lawless in my opinion, weather you accept those books or not I doubt is salvational issue unless misled. Seeing as he helped me find the Law (that was in the bible all along) I'm cool with him. The question is HOW to follow these laws, awkward undoing lawlessness.
sparkshot 1 month ago
@sparkshot Paul said that Torah was nailed to the cross ( Col 2:14 )..that following the Law made His death for naught (Gal 5:4 & Rom 10:4)..that eating food sacrificed to idols is ok (I Cor 8-10)..that all things were lawful (I Cor 6:12 & 10:23).
His 3 versions of his unwitnessed and uncorrorborated 'conversion' is highly suspect. I thought that these were the words of The Holy Ghost? He is very bostful and seems to come in his own name ( see Jn 5:43). We keep Pauls letters as told in Matt 13.
bridgerbergman 1 month ago
@bridgerbergman - it isn't the law nailed to the cross, but the penalty for breaking it as i understand it, also rabbinic laws. all things are lawful in the confines of the law, not anything goes. and when he goes on about 'building those things that i once destroyed' it wasn't the written law. Whatever, CBA to argue over it.
sparkshot 1 month ago
@sparkshot as long as one follows the Commandments...the validity of Paul is a non-issue. It is very possible the RCC twisted the words of Paul to promote lawlessness; prophezied in Dan 7:25 and Condemned in Matt 7:21-23. Much love and many blessings to you.
bridgerbergman 1 month ago
@bridgerbergman , yeah, same also. I see it as a non issue too, or at least where salvation is concirned.
sparkshot 1 month ago
@bridgerbergman Peter said that Paul was easy to misunderstand. That was because he was so learned and intelligent.
clarkewi 1 month ago
@clarkewi you mean the writings attributed to Peter, that are written by the same scribe as found in Paul's writings ( i.e. Silvanus see I Thess & II Thess 1:1, II Cor 1:19...and of course, I Pet 5:12 ), said that Paul was easy to misunderstand. Y'Shua warned Peter that someone would plagerize him in Jn 21. Do you really beleive that Peter would vouge for a man that spoke things different than the Son of God? Are you sure about that?
bridgerbergman 1 month ago
@bridgerbergman Jesus also spoke that when Peter was young, he was able to lead his own way, and that when he became old, others would lead him - seemingly a reference to Paul, the younger more aggressive evangelist.
clarkewi 1 month ago
@clarkewi Paul spoke things that are different and antithetical to the teachings of The Son of God.....who warned of those "coming in their own name; and those would be believed.." Jn 5:43. Did not Y'Shua do a complete Ministry? Did He leave anything undone? If Y'Shua, indeed, sent Paul...why does Paul say things different than He? Y'Shua warned us of such things....better to be on the safe side and follow The Son of God....do you not agree?
bridgerbergman 1 month ago
@bridgerbergman According to Acts 15:21, Paul, on behalf of James and the Nazarenes was to bring the "Good News" to the heathen gentiles, with some relaxation of mitzvot. Paul proved himself to "The Pillars" of the Nazarenes. If is ministry was to spread the word of Jesus, then he did a brilliant job and achieved his goal. Yes there is apostasy in the Roman Catholic church, but the story isn't over yet. All will be revealed in the end.
clarkewi 1 month ago
@clarkewi I agree....if one keeps The Commands of The Most High AND has the testimony of Y'Shua HaMashiach....it matters not who one studies. Much love and many blessings to you.
bridgerbergman 1 month ago
When you look at the Sabbath closely in the Bible. The first one of each month was on the new moon. Then every seven days after. The Sabbath was changed to Friday sundown to Saturday sundown by Mammonides in the 13th century, to fit in with the Roman Calendar. So the Sabbath changes almost every month as compared to the Roman days of the week. Because the Moon travels around the earth every 29 1/2 days. Writings by Philo, tell what the Christians were keeping in the 1st Century.
handydude6 1 month ago
@handydude6 The Hebrews caved into the pressure brought by the Pope, and his Templars. So the Sabbath was changed. Surprisingly late in the 13th Centruy.
handydude6 1 month ago
@handydude6 The calendar was changed long before the 13th century. The Sabbath had always been on the 7th day, which is Saturday. There were what became known and called as sabbaths that were not connected to the 7th day of rest. There were new moon sabbaths, for example. But the 7th day sabbath remains the same. Or are you suggesting, for example, they stopped counting from the 3rd day of the week and started over at number 7 when a new moon occured?
TrustinJC 1 month ago
@TrustinJC Not true what you said about the holidays being separate from the Sabbath. The Holidays are set according to the new moons and so is the 7th day sabbath. Friday sundown to Saturday sundown was adoped by Mammonides. Under pressure by the pope. Search; Philo Sabbath
handydude6 1 month ago
@handydude6 I understand what you say brother....but, what about Matt 28:1? And where does it say in scripture that the new moon is to be "skipped" in the count? The first day of the week does not necessarily begin with the new moon. Beleive me, I see the validity in the lunars....but, these 2 examples create a problem. Wasn't sabbath made for man and not man made for sabbath? The Command id "6 days work..." The lunar schedule requires sometimes 8 days between Sabbaths. Any thoughts?
bridgerbergman 1 month ago
@bridgerbergman Matt 28:1 is a figure of speech. Like the day star rising in your heart. The dawn of the first day, may not mean the sun was rising. It might mean the first day of the week was approaching. From what I have read. The first day of the MONTH was always a sabbath, but the first day of the WEEK; was the day after the Sabbath. Not really two separate calandars, but two different ways to express. Because their vocabulary was extremely limited. They only had 10,000 words vs our 250,000
handydude6 1 month ago
@handydude6 but, Matt 28:1 says at the end of the Sabbath towards the 1st day of the week......I know, it is very convoluted. Last Oct, I think, yhere was 8 days between sabbaths via the lunars. That is against The Command. Like I said....if there was 1 question I could ask and get an audible answer......I observe both just in case. I am off Sat anyways...so, I feel as though I am not doing enough. The lunars I have to work, I fast and wear my tzizits, I take off when I can...con'td
bridgerbergman 1 month ago
@bridgerbergman but...eating up my vacation does not bode well with my employer...surely, we are not to test Father and say..."oh well...I just won't work and let God provide"....that cannot be the meaning of Sabbath.
Seriously ...give me the absolute correct answer....(just kidding).
May everyone receive mercy and Father forgive us for our confusion!!!!
bridgerbergman 1 month ago
@handydude6 I have atremendous amount of respect for your opinion....and want nothing more than the truth on this very convoluted subject. The Command IS to work 6 and rest the 7th.....the "saturnalia" tag is a little ambiguous as sometimes the lunars do fall on Sat....is it possible that The Most High knew that the adversary would pollute this and gave us some wiggle room? Saturday IS the last day of the week....for as long since the dawn of time. ugh????
bridgerbergman 1 month ago
@handydude6 the problem with the lunars is Matt 28:1...also, Father went to great detail about the events of the 7 day creation week. The 7 day week has been all throughout recorded time. Nowhere in scripture does it say to "skip: counting a day via the new moon. I do see the validity in the lunars...it is a very convoluted subject.
Truly, I tell you, if I could ask Him ONE question and get an audible answer....this would be the one.
bridgerbergman 1 month ago
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@handydude6 the problem with the lunars is Matt 28:1...also, Father went to great detail about the events of the 7 day creation week. The 7 day week has been all throughout recorded time. Nowhere in scripture does it say to "skip: counting a day via the new moon. I do see the validity in the lunars...it is a very convoluted subject.
Truly, I tell you, if I could ask Him ONE question and get an audible answer....this would be the one.
bridgerbergman 1 month ago
I asked my pastor, and he said that Saturday was the Sabbath, but we(they), keep Sunday because he rose on it. I also asked another pastor, and he said that it don't matter what day we keep, just as long as we give him a day. Then another pastor told me that we are to keep everyday as the Sabbath. Even these pastors are in disagreement. I think that I will just stick to what the Creator tells us. That way I cant go wrong, and keep it as he say to keep it.
kbdory 1 month ago
@kbdory I think that's the best way to go. For it's hard to go wrong when obeying God.
TrustinJC 1 month ago
@kbdory - I found the same thing, everyone also gets all hot about it too. Sabbath is to be kept, if we don't like it tough! I find it a pain and difficult but I try to keep it anyway.
sparkshot 1 month ago
yeah bro Lavern!!!
keep the good work!!!
you will be called great in the kiingdom of Yah!!!(teach the law of our Lord)
expose the transgression of the world so they might be saved through repentance
amen
s7pgo 1 month ago
@s7pgo thank you. It is unfortunate that repentance is no longer taught as it must be. some do not teach the need to repent even at the time of conversion. but rather simply need to confess Christ as Lord. Others say we need only repent once at the time of conversion. And because we are covered by grace repentance is no longer needed when we sin after our conversion.
TrustinJC 1 month ago
I believe you are correct. When I talk to people about the true Sabbath or dietary laws they always quote from Paul to contradict what God's Law says. Romans is a big favorite for them to quote from.
tjrod672 1 month ago
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kbdory 1 month ago
@tjrod672 Romans is an attack on Christian doctrine while 1st Corinthians is an attack on the church leadership. That being James and Peter.
TrustinJC 1 month ago