quick addition to the Xenu Story - Part Two Scientology.mp4

[Archie54able]

Ron was gay mate. He never wanted for others to know period. Have you ever seen him walk ?

[jdtrickster4]

Remember these words of mine 2u, WOG? (WOG = WiseOldGoat)

"Despite anything YOU or anyone says or whether u're right or not on any pt or all of them; $CIENTOLOGY's STILL a criminal organization found GUILTY of organized FRAUD in France, "with MUCH, I repeat MUCH more to come in the very near future."

1) OT7 $cientology Reverend Rex Fowler commits murder shooting 3 bullets at pt blank range into Thomas Ciancio's head, his non-Scieno employee who was going to expose him as a crook & an embezzler

[runefenix06]

this is u? LMFAO!!!! 50 yr old man tryin to pick on a 16 yr old? get a wife nerd

[ImaLittleNeko]

Show me the Flag Orders--I want to see for myself. Sounds like an alteration.

I never heard LRH ever say one word against Jews. World bank, well he considered that an enemy to the people.

I have read many books and listened to many, many tapes, surely if he had anything against Jews it would have been mentioned somewhere other than the mysterious Flag Order.

[mollie2810]

Alteration? This seems to be the new hit among $cilons. Whenever they come across something that the public will find hostile or violent they suddenly claim that Hubbtard didn't write it. Damage control? LOL

[jdtrickster4]

$ciloons BUY A BRIDGE cause they gotta Clear the Banks one at a time until it's time for $cientology to Clear the Planet!!! ;-D

HOW MANY CLUES DO U NEED, DOLT???

[jdtrickster4]

We're the Keepers of the Tech. We're going to the Hollywood Guarantee Building to get the rest of the crap. Here's more:

[jdtrickster4]

/watch?v=iwDKg5K3in8

[jdtrickster4]

/watch?v=F6P4YV6CfI0

Expect us.

[Bkorczak]

There was never Xenu, there was Snow White and seven dwarfs. It is as true as Xenu story and anyone over the age of 10 who believes in any of the above MUST see a shrink!

Stay safe.

BK

[jdtrickster4]

No association, eh? Your argument's been CRUSHED & pulverized. I hand u your arse ;-D

Excerpts from RJ-67

"...And last Dec of 1966...I decided I had better ...contact an exact point or two ...in ages past which were ...the demise for this civilization...I went out & took my life in my hands & brought the matter off. The mystery of this universe & this...area of the universe has been completely occluded. No one has ever been able to make any breakthrough & come off with it & know what happened.

[jdtrickster4]

...if anyone tried to penetrate it ...they died.

The material involved in this sector is so vicious ...carefully arranged to kill anyone if he discovers the exact truth of it. So in Jan. & Feb of this yr, I became very ill, almost lost this body & somehow or another brought it off & obtained the material & was able to live through it. ...I was the 1st one that ever did live through ...This material...is very upper level material & u will forgive me if I don't describe it

[jdtrickster4]

...because it's very likely to make u sick, too.

Now my task ...was to ...safely bring through individuals. ..not enough for I...to have lived through it. Other people would have to...when they reached Clear & tried to move up...

..About 5 or 6 wks ago, I finally was able to make a breakthrough which brought people through the zone safely. ...No one is in danger of colliding with this at lower levels ...it concerns the formation of the society itself in which we live.

[jdtrickster4]

...I don't mind telling u, it took some doing...the toughest one I have faced... I faced it so it would not be tough for u to face when u came to it.

I formed the Sea Org of OTs in order to have an area where a Scientologist ...could safely then walk through this last wall of fire...

[Of his body] I have broken its back, ...its knee & now have a broken arm because of these... adventures....if he is in such good shape, then what is he doing breaking up these bodies?

[jdtrickster4]

...I have ..great difficulty in getting down to the small power level of a body ...it is very..difficult to keep it in any kind of cond. I'm keeping it alive because it is a symbol...still needful & ...would be upsetting [to wogs]...if a symbol of this body were to disappear..

... [Sea Org]..not yet ..through ..Wall of Fire,... Section Three, OT, we are...putting the entire personnel of the Sea Org...through Sect. Three, OT...It is as far from Clear to OT as it is from wog to Clear...only thing

[jdtrickster4]

they could improve would be holding in Ethics more strongly

..as one moves up the line, one becomes more concerned...& with this concern comes the realization all has not been well.

And it is very true a great catastrophe occurred on this planet & in the other 26 planets which formed this Confederacy 75 million yrs ago. It has since that time been a desert..

....possibly it is a bit above your reality to say we intend to salvage this sector; no one has been able to do it for 75 million yrs.

[jdtrickster4]

We are the 1st ...there has been nothing but suffering & misery for its populations. ...the malady from which they suffer is ...designed to stop ..such a movement as ours..

..quite laudable to be part of its orgs anywhere ... Every man, every girl, serves...Therefore we must have a very tight ethics perimeter inside our orgs & those ...who are making slighting remarks about what is going on are simply...trying to stop the ...progress. All they will really succeed in doing is stopping themselves

[DoucheCandy]

Aaron Saxton

his bold blue eyes are bold

his heart is made of gold!!!

[wiseoldgoat]

All this guy is doing is forwarding an interpretation, and he claims materials, but does not show them. He doesn't even give the #'s of the supposed FO's. Think people, think!

SO exists simply because of the fact that the organization endured attacks during the 60's.

There are not just 600 FO's, more likely 4,500. And only very, very few are confidential.

This is just a scam, simple as that.

[lovelara2]

I believe he gave the number of the FO's in the previous video

[wiseoldgoat]

I don't recall he gave the numbers of them. He only mmentions there are 3 of them and from 1967. So which are the numbers?

[lovelara2]

I don't know. The numbers don't really matter to me, but if I was in the sea org I would inquire about these letters...Are you in the sea org wiseoldogoat?

[jdtrickster4]

No, $CIENTOLOGY is a scam. One recently found guilty of ORGANIZED FRAUD in France. Thank you very much. He says in his other video there are thousands of FOs, not 600. 1-600 are the ones that are vetted. He does give some numbers but he doesn't have the FOs with him. It'd be like me quoting a PL I may not have the number to.

What you're doing has a name in Scientology. It's called DEAD AGENTING. The world has $cn's number now, fortunately. The gig is up. The internet is $cientology;s Waterloo.

[wiseoldgoat]

First of all, you confuse the subject with people. Then courts are no evidence of proof in themselves. Opinion will not do.

And these FO's 1-600 are vetted by whom, for what reason??

PL's don't go by numbers, FO's do...

I am dead agenting? Are you kidding me??

[jdtrickster4]

1st of all why don't u just come right out & say it, YOU are a Scientologist (whether in the Co$ or not) & ARE pro-$cientology. Am I right? Riiight. I thought so.

I don't confuse the subject with ppl. I clearly said $CIENTOLOGY is a scam. I didn't mention ppl.

And the courts ARE proof that a crime WAS committed. In France's case, "ORGANIZED FRAUD." Oh & opinion sometimes DOES "do" Why do u think they're called "Opinion Leaders?"

Vetted by those Aaron said. Pay attn. And no, I'm NOT kidding.

[wiseoldgoat]

Courts are no proof. You are very seriously mistaken with that.

Is this your defense: "You are a Scientologist, are you not!" Irrelevant, address the ISSUE discussed... you attempt here to let it fade by associating your opponent with something. I call that dirty tricks.

The Aaron individual can say what he wishes, it doesn't mean I buy it... 'Vetted'?, who cares, it says nothing.

[CensorshipIsBad]

"You are a Scientologist, are you not!"

Well .... are you ?

[wiseoldgoat]

Thank you kindly. You made it quite clear that you only claim matters and associate various. What I am or am not is entirely irrelevant. You have to deal with my queries. Your approach here made it clear to me and any sensible readers that you have been making up stuff.

[CensorshipIsBad]

you are a scilon and ashamed to admit it . and you should be . scientology is a crminal organization and a fraud

[wiseoldgoat]

If you make such claims as you have been making here with your video and all that, then you better see to it that you can back it up properly as well. All we see you here doing is spending your time attempting to discredit a person by associating that person with something bad. Thus you are using a scapegoat of sorts.

I challenge you to come with proper and verified support for your 'revelations'. You put up or you shut up. See, this is about your credibility...

[CensorshipIsBad]

scientology has no credibility

are you a scientologist ?

[wiseoldgoat]

I think we all know now that you have been making up stories. Even Android Cat writes: "I think I'd want to see the FO, policy letter or whatever, where this came from, and why hasn't anyone come across it previously, before I start giving this one too much credence."

Also an FO would be the wrong issue-type. You also don't account for why YOU would have had access to this that you claim or in which circumstances you were given this 'privilege'. Again, this is about YOUR credibility!!!

[CensorshipIsBad]

again ,, are you a scientologist ?

[jdtrickster4]

And btw, while you're at it, what was AND IS Scientology's intent in keeping these OT levels (like OT III with Lord Xenu & the Body Thetans) secret & what is their intent in continuing to deny its existence, even after everyone OUTSIDE the Co$ knows about them?

Can you answer THAT?

The materials Aaron speaks of are all at the Hollywiid Guarantee Bldg. Maybe one day someone will depose these for a court case * maybe someone will shred them too.

I don;t put ANYTHING past $cientology!

[wiseoldgoat]

I do not give a damn about what Scntologists do or say or do not say or do. You need to start to address the issue at hand. Your guru Aaron (you picked him yourself!), well, he makes claims here that no one has made before, but shows nothing for it. He also explains NOTHING in what capacity he would have had access to the things he claims to have seen. You haven't understood that he is making up stuff here.

[CensorshipIsBad]

are you a scientologist ?

[wiseoldgoat]

It seems you are worried... I claim that you purposely made the whole thing up. You have forwarded NOTHING that supports your bold claims here. All you can ask (3x thus far): "Are you a Scientologist?" This got nothing to do with the issue at hand. I really would not give a dime fory your credibility.

[jdtrickster4]

Oh I've asked YOU many other questions that have gone unanswered and ignored (as in "NOT-ised") so I wouldn't offer a pence for yours either, friend.

[wiseoldgoat]

You need to keep at topic, Your guru Aaron needs to show for his bold claims!!!! Nothing else really matters.

[jdtrickster4]

Your guru Hubbard never did. But $cn doesn't much matter and never did.

[wiseoldgoat]

Ok, this is the scene here. I caught you blindly ACCEPTING the claims of your Aaron. You ASSUMED matters. I pointed this out to you. I explained to you that this is unmerited non-critical behaviour. Finally, as you continued relying on Him, I called him your guru as you exercised this mechanism here!

And what do you do? You now suddenly project and talk about some "guru Hubbard" and associating this with me. When I in fact have not at any point displayed any blind acceptance. How dare you!!!!!

[jdtrickster4]

lol Go "explain" things to your mother or someone who cares. I disagree with your "assessment" in its entirety. Can you "have" that?

I know what RJ-67 says. Maybe you ought to have a listen to it. ;-) The only thing that's missing is the "Jewish conspiracy." Everything else Aaron speaks of is there. Ta-ta.

NEXT! :)

[MirrorOnTheWall1]

The scene is that YOU have been caught being a $cilon defending his cult. Admit it or not, it's OBVIOUS! And good to know that you are too ashamend to admit it. When you understand that you have to feel ashamed for your criminal cult then there is still hope for you.

[wiseoldgoat]

Many efforts are being made to avoid that the video-maker here is exempted from to be forced to clarify himself and actually forward evidence for his claims.

Not at any point have I made any attempt to defend some organization. You are forwarding a bold lie. I evaluate the information available. And you simply make an association and thus an interpretation, and a faulty one at that.

May be there is hope for you if you admit to yourself to blindly defend something on incorrect grounds.

[MirrorOnTheWall1]

@wiseoldgoat

Why make such a drama about it? Answer the question and let us see if you are a biased $cilon who defends his cult or an objective (LOL) observer. Why don't you answer the question?

[wiseoldgoat]

If I am biased then you have to prove that by addressing my arguments and forwardings of data.

You basically admit here that it suffices for you that if some person would be a Scientologist that he, automatically, would be biased. Is this your logic??

[MirrorOnTheWall1]

@wiseoldgoat

bla bla bla ... You are obviously a $cilon and don't want to admit it because you know that your cult has no credibility and a biased defender of your cult, too.

Keep on making an ass of yourself on this video if it makes you happy, That's how we like $cilons the most.

[wiseoldgoat]

I fear that you lost all of your credibility now...

[MirrorOnTheWall1]

sure sure ;) what ever you say ....

[jdtrickster4]

That's not just HIS logic. THAT IS *reality* Wake up to it, oldgoat. ;-D

[jdtrickster4]

Mirror, he ALREADY did to me, after being asked 10-15 times. He's not only a $ciloon, he is/was in the Sea Org.

He also accuses Aaron for not showing PROOF of the FOs which Aaron said in either this or his other related video, he was privy to by being shown them by a high-up exec in $cientology; and guess what the WOG's (WiseOldGoat = WOG LOL) newest revelation was to me?

He was ALSO privy to FOs no others had read. With only one diff., he refutes that what Aaron says is true. WHAT A SURPRISE!

[MirrorOnTheWall1]

@jdtrickster4

surprising indeed

[jdtrickster4]

Liar, liar pants on fire. You already admitted to me having been in the Sea Org and u also told me the reason for the formation of the Sea Org was because $cientology was being attacked, when it was because Hubbard was running from the law. Get a grip.

[jdtrickster4]

Sorry, friend but Aaron's not my "guru." I've NO gurus. But he's a very brave man & I admire & appreciate his speaking out against the evil scamming cult we've come to know & not love so much called the "Church" of $cientology, or as I & many refer to it these days: The crime syndicate of $cn, headed by a sociopath who abuses his staff, called David *tiny fists of fury* Miscavige. But I suppose you'd want me to show you movies of DM beating people up, too & not believe any of the victims. Right?

[wiseoldgoat]

Your behaviour and approach will determine for you if you have guru's or not. You believe him by faith even if he has shown nothing that supports his indeed bold claims, simply nothing.

I don't hink he is a brave man for one second, but if you ask me if he likes to get attention. Yeah, well, I think he will tell anything to stir up some things.

[jdtrickster4]

That's YOUR claim. I neither said, nor denied I believed him. The original point was you claimed & called HIM a liar, a scam, a loon and a fraud.

Funny thing is all these modifiers can be associated with YOUR cult of $cientology. You also have NO PROOF he didn't read the Flag Orders. Or did I miss you giving such?

And I think that's a foregone conclusion. The cat's been out of the bag for a while but now it is ready to scratch the eyes of some of the ones who kept it there for so long.

[wiseoldgoat]

I never said he was a loon, you made that up. I also did not call him a scam, I said his creation here was most likely a scam.

And here you also resort to call it "my cult". Nothing in my messages would account for this insult.

See, if Aaron makes claims about some FO's then the burden of proof is entirely up to him. It is NOT up to me to prove he did not.

You sound delusional and rather simple of mind.

[jdtrickster4]

Oh no, sir, u said he was a "loon," alright. Look back in the comments.

If his creation is a scam, so is he but maybe that's your "blindness" again. And why is it an insult when I say it's your cult but u telling me I'm a cultist isn't? :)

Finally, he's not trying to prove the FOs exist necessarily. He IS claiming he read them & that they exist.

But even that being the case, the only thing that would be speculation or extrapolation is the Jewish connection. All else is covered in RJ-67 ;-)

[wiseoldgoat]

I never said loon. Indeed look bad in the comments. Again you are assuming matters here and continue to insult me. Not at any time I have displayed behaviour as if I was in any cult or had subjected myself to sectbehaviour.

Indeed ALL Aaron does it making claims. But he has not a shred of evidence for that claim, and it is ONLY him that makes that very claim. Wake up guy!!!!

The speculation is about the association with Xenu. It got nothing, I repeat, nothing to do with 'Jewish connection'.

[jdtrickster4]

Sure. Only *my* insults matter. Yours are A-O.K. Got it. ;-D

Not ALL Aaron says are "claims," witness RJ-67 & the OT3 story u can listen to on YT, ok? Wake up! The videos ARE available. You (anyone) CAN listen to'em in Ron's own voice.

And guess what?! Despite anything YOU or anyone says or whether u're right or not on any pt or all of them; $CIENTOLOGY's STILL a criminal organization found GUILTY of organized FRAUD in France, with MUCH, I repeat MUCH more to come in the very near future.

[wiseoldgoat]

You just ignore everything that has been forwarded to you. Guru Aaron made an association with Xenu and RJ67. There is no such thing. He has not a shred of evidence for any of that. He is also the only person that is claiming this.

[jdtrickster4]

I think u meant Guru Hubbard or Miscavige, not a common person like Aaron Saxton but never mind that.

Of course, there's an association between Xenu & RJ-67!!! I don't have to even know Aaron to tell you that.

The "Xenu story" is contained in OTIII's "Incident II" -Hubbard was quite fond of Roman numerals. The same OT III he just finished & is speaking of in RJ-67, where he also talks about the World bank, the 12 families & their control of the Mental Health field, etc.

Boy, are you thick!!!

[wiseoldgoat]

"Of course, there's an association between Xenu & RJ-67!!! I don't have to even know Aaron to tell you that."

Where is your evidence for that? You have none... absolutely NONE... you ASSUME and try to make believe...

[jdtrickster4]

My evidence is the RJ-67 tape, the Class VIII tape "Assists" & the OT III recording where Ron reveals his sci-fi space opera ridiculous saga of exploding volcanoes, disembodied aliens implanted with false memories about God, Jesus, Mohamed, etc., who are the cause of all our problems.

This is the same catastrophe he recounts in RJ-67 in a somber tone with fairly good acting which would do if it weren't for the story itself being so preposterous.

But maybe you're not quite-bright to see this.

[wiseoldgoat]

That is no evidence, you assume an association between these that you refer to, but fail to provide for ANY evidence for your assumption.

The RJ tape addresses no auditing issues. They are totally disrelated to the other, nonetheless you want to connect them together. I say that you have not a clue what you talk about.

[jdtrickster4]

There isn't, eh? Now I have got you where I want you. I hope CensorshipIsBad is reading this. I'm sure he will later cause I'm about to do what is said should be done with dogs for pooping on the floor: You rub their noses in the poop.

The following is an excerpt from RJ-67, old goat (The "wise" part must mean you're a dues paying member of that $cientology front group with the same name; WISE: World Institute of Scientology Enterprises)

[jdtrickster4]

(cont'd)

Anyone connected with the great catastrophe has been dead almost the same length of time...We do not have any enemies, except suppressive, dramatizing men, who are themselves the victims of something that happened here.

...This is a tremendous responsibility. I have borne it too long alone. You share it with me now. ... no matter which Ethics action is taken, no matter what activities go forward...

...Goodbye for now. I will see you up the line at the other end of the Bridge.

[jdtrickster4]

Will wiseoldgoat be as exacting & demanding of LRH's "CLAIMS" as he is of Aaron's?  I am willing to bet he shall not. Call me a 'rocket scientist' but NEVER a "nuclear physicist." lol

[wiseoldgoat]

You should regard the claim made by your Aaron. Your excerpts don't confirm his claims.

It is also interesting how desperately you try to make head and tail of something you do not have sufficient with data about. If you don't understand the aim and the basic outset of the subjects of Dianetics/Scientology you never will understand.

[jdtrickster4]

My excerpts confirm what I intended them to. I wasn't trying to confirm "his claims." I was refuting YOURS. Even he says it's the FOs 1-600 which u and I DON'T KNOW; either way, true or false.

You ARE a $cieno, aren't u? Why can't u admit it? Aren't u PROUD of it?

Speaking of, aren't u assuming I've insufficient "data?" (a sciloon's favorite if I ever heard one)

And what exactly IS the "aim" (& basic outset - whatever that means) of the subjects of Dyingnetics & $cienLOLogy? =)

[wiseoldgoat]

"And what exactly IS the "aim" (& basic outset - whatever that means) of the subjects of Dyingnetics & $cienLOLogy?"

You ask me? Why don't you know? Still you claim to know a lot of things, but left out on these basics. And you think you can understand how to take these matters? Kidding me???

Either way I did lay out briefly what it is about either in this thread or the original thread of your Aaron.

[jdtrickster4]

1st of all, thx for FINALLY ADMITTING u ARE a $cientologist on the other video & even in the Sea Org.

And sir, I've no clue what YOU refer to. I don't know what u mean by "$cn's basic outset" If u want to clarify, fine; if not, I could care less. As to the "aim" I'll tell u WHAT I think: To CON people & SCAM & fleece them. You're still a Hubbardite $ciloon, so u that won't be what u mean.

So get off the pedestal & your high & mighty, Mr. ubermensch. You're STILL clueless after all these yrs!

[wiseoldgoat]

Excuse me? You play the übermensch here. You claim to know better than a person that is very well familiar with these matters and that knows what he talks about. And what do you know exactly? Hmmm?

For heaven's sake you don't even know the outset of these subjects! You ask me about that!

[jdtrickster4]

Nah. I disagree. u can believe /say whatcha like, though.

Oh so YOU're the expert, not Aaron, is that it?! lol Btw I'd have to ask for PROOF to back up your *claim* of being, as u say, "very well familiar with these matters" just as u ask of Aaron. As far as WE ALL know, u dunno a damn thing until u PROVE IT.

Again, that's very vague. What do u mean by "outset?"

Def:

1. the beginning or initial stage of something He agreed & understood from the outset, so don't bother explaining again.

[jdtrickster4]

I was almost remiss. You didn't say anything about your Ron's wild unsupported claims & other mumbo jumbo, gobbledygook

It's really interesting to "read between the lines" of this Ron's "journal." He's the knight in shining armor:

He took his life in his hands. The material's vicious. "The mystery of this universe" (As if he had it) He worked SO hard & finally made it. [He drank enough rum & did enough pinks & grays] He faced it so u wouldn't have to (He died on the cross 4u & YOUR MONEY) lol

[wiseoldgoat]

2 things you don't understand and you can not keep apart. There are information messages such as RJ67. And there are series of lectures that deal with the auditing processes. Each of these address matters with a very different significance. RJ67 is just general information of some things. Auditing lectures deal with how to take care of the person being processed in auditing sessions. These focus entirely on the reality of the person being processed. You mix 2 different realities here.

[jdtrickster4]

This last is what's called a "Straw man argument logical fallacy."

I never discussed none of what u speak of with you, which are "significances" that only apply IN $cientology & mean anything only TO a $cientologist. The rest of us could care less.

I never discussed these 2 diff tapes' organizational nuances and/or significance. You're bringing that up as a straw man argument cuz I showed u up & you're a sore loser & are smarting from the spanking

Here's what was said & why I looked up RJ-67

[wiseoldgoat]

I never spoke of signficances that only apply within Scientology, you made that up. I attempted to consult your sense for reason.

In fact it is you that discarding it of as some strawman argument, when apparently you don't even understand what is being said. You don't understand the tools of differentiation and evaluation.

[jdtrickster4]

You didn't?! Check your 1st comment on this page 15 hrs ago, 4 sentences into the post: "Each of these address matters with a very different significance." It starts with "2 things"

You say further: "RJ67 is just general info of some things. Auditing lectures deal with how to take care of the person being processed in auditing sessions"

And u say I need to learn Data Evaluation?

And finally, sir, I'M NOT a $cientologist & I'm not interested in the least so go proselytize to someone who cares.

[jdtrickster4]

jdtrickster4:

"Of course, there's an association between Xenu & RJ-67!!! I don't have to even know Aaron to tell you that."

wiseoldgoat:

Where is your evidence for that? You have none...absolutely NONE...you ASSUME and try to make believe...

The association is clear, RJ-67 speaks of the Wall of Fire. The OT III lecture does too & introduces Xenu as the SP or culprit, etc. It doesn't go into auditing processes AT ALL; just what Ron says happened, period. lol

/watch?v=oXMSenzCAOY

[wiseoldgoat]

There exists no 'OT III lecture' as such. I challenge you to find out where this extract is taken from, to then establish what the tape actually is about, and to get that what it says in the RIGHT context.

[jdtrickster4]

You're right about that. I don't know the title but here it is. Have a listen:)

/watch?v=oXMSenzCAOY

Can u do me a favor and find out for me where this tape is from? There's more where that came from. We're safeguarding the Tech cuz NOBODY ELSE seems to be able to do it.

RTC and David Miscavige are more interested in ALTERING the crap. The FZ is too busy trying to find out what their role is in all the confusion. And the Independents are too busy proving they're right. ;-D

We run THIS.

[wiseoldgoat]

Then find out where it is coming from!!!! It is preposterous and self-indulgent to not find out FULL DATA when all you get offered is some snippets. You very obediently follow rumours, and then repeat it (blindly) to the next person.

Then when someone sends you this query that shows your gullibility, then suddenly you say: "There's more where that came from."

Do you have any clue what kind of unserious and amateuristic impression you are making here, and right now??? Do you????

[CensorshipIsBad]

are you a scientologst ? lulz

[wiseoldgoat]

Is this all you can ask? (4 times now)

You should deal with my queries and not try to put a person in a box. Héh, he is in that box, he is so and so, because of that it what it says on the box, ... and never address the queries the person made. Is this your intent? DEAL WITH THE QUERIES!!!!!

[CensorshipIsBad]

@wiseoldgoat

answer my question = stop asking ;)

[wiseoldgoat]

Again, deal with the queries...

[jdtrickster4]

(cont'd from above)

2) Head of $cn's Religious Freedom Watch website leaves $cn & says he's happy to be out from under Cof$'s thumb

3) Larry "Blow your brains" Anderson who starred in $cientology's film ORIENTATION, leaves the 'church' since, as he told Tommy TR-L Davis, David Miscavige & Upper Mgmt ARE CORRUPT.

4) $cientologist Vulture Ministers thwarted in their photo-Op & publicity-seeking attempts in Haiti by the US military (OUCH!)

Etc., etc.

HAPPY 2010 $CIENTOLOGY!!! ;-D

[jdtrickster4]

You *could* say where the FULL DATA's coming from but perhaps, and u obviously DON'T cause that'd be EVEN MORE incriminating. Besides, I gave u the FULL TAPE above (or below, now) in three parts. Have a listen. It's YOUR hero, guru and IDOL talking to you about the *Mysteries of the Universe* LOL OT III, the *Xenu story*

PAY UP, SUCKER!!! Time for u to BUY A BRIDGE! ;-D

Personally, I think it's time for $CIENTOLOGY to "Clear the Planet!!!"

WaaaaHAhaAHAHAHAHAHAhahahaaa!!­!

[jdtrickster4]

I think it's *YOU* who's A HIT, Old Goat. ;-D

Or shall I call u WOG? (WiseOldGoat = WOG) L0L

WaaaaaaAHAHAHAaaaahahahHAhaha!­!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!

[jaykaysok]

Worthy Oriental Gentleman.. ie not caucasian, intelligent and suitable for pet privileges

[jdtrickster4]

Or working in one of $cientology's Sea Org kitchens cleaning pots & pans & in food preparation for Flag's luxurious & sumptuous restaurants catering to David Miscavige's VERY RICH clients; some would say "marks." ;-D

[jdtrickster4]

Courts are not "scientific bodies," if that's what you mean. But it's the goal of the accuser or prosecutor to PROVE beyond any reasonable doubt the GUILT of the accused, as France did finding $cientology GUILTY of "organized fraud."

It's not "dirty tricks" unless being a $cientologist is a "dirty thing" If you were one, it'd make MUCH MORE sense why u're so adamant on proving (and failing, I might add) Aaron a liar & a loon.

What YOU "buy" I could care less.

And trust me, he says PLENTY! ;-D

[wiseoldgoat]

The court system does not allow for that what you claim. It's claimed goal is irrelevant towards how that system works, where it operates on and in what way it comes to its conclusions practically.

You wish to attempt to remove the credibility of your opponent by effort of discrediting the person by associating that person with something you perceive as something bad. if you had solid arguments for the case you seek to defend you would not be in any need of such.

[CensorshipIsBad]

are you a scientologist ? why do u refuse to answer ? ashamed to be part of the fraud ?

[jdtrickster4]

Borrowing from a Scieno on YT: "If anybody knows what u typed in English, please post it." I assume English is a 2nd language to you. You garble my comments.

I'm not making a claim. This is what courts of justice DO. They try to PROVE the GUILT of the accused.

You claim Aaron is a liar, a loon & making things up -which he isn't. The facts stand for themselves. I've no need to "defend" nor discredit you; you've already done that to yourself by not even answering if you're a Scientologist.

[wiseoldgoat]

I have only asked to come forward with his materials instead of just his interpretations and stories.

Your intent is very obvious. I ask you to be specific and address the issue, but instead you assume matters with the intent to discredit your opposer. See, there is only one reason why you would do that.

[jdtrickster4]

Let me put it to you this way. The materials for OT were secret at one point till they were "leaked" to the internet & became part of the "public domain."

They were leaked thru court cases where Scientology's own experts had to authenticate the materials. However, Scn still denied their existence AND STILL DO, even now that they're known.

The same way these OT or upper level materials were secret, so can Flag Orders, etc. be so, even though SOME like Aaron HAVE read them.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

[wiseoldgoat]

Yeah, that dear Aaron is making various claims, but doesn't show anything for it. You are gullible and non-critical. See, you show here that you behave as a sectmember yourself. They don't question anything, they adopt, accept and believe, no questions asked.

[jdtrickster4]

Oh I question your intentions and your integrity but I don't adopt, accept nor "believe" anything; much less a defender of this evil scamming cult proven GUILTY of "organized fraud," and many other crimes, human rights violations 7 other abuses.

I've asked you many questions. But why do u do it? Why do u defend the crime syndicate?

[wiseoldgoat]

Tsk, tsk, at no point I defended some sydicate, or whatever you wish to call that. Don't make up stories, ... please!!!

You believe Aaron BLINDLY! You even defend him. You also blindly "question my intentions and my intergrity""? What is wrong with you????

[jdtrickster4]

Tsk, tsk, oh but u did. You "claimed" the Sea Org was formed because the $cn was being attacked when in actual fact Hubbard was begun to be seen for the scam he was & was RUNNING from the law

Did u not try to defend $cientology by making this party-line claim? It's in the comments

Or shall we ask CensorshipIsBad to retrieve YOUR comment?=)

Blindly, claims the man who cannot see; thinking if he be blinded & find but nothing to see, others will follow suit & see the same blindness he sees:)

[TRICKSIXTYFIVE]

Keep up the great work!

[brewt1mer]

thanks for the info.....

[anon8109]

This points out two more contradictions in Scientology beliefs.

1. Jews and Psychiatrists are part of the same group, yet Psychiatrists are responsible for the holocaust.

2. Jews are enemies of Scientology, yet they are welcomed into it and into its seaorg.

It's no wonder that Scientology keeps this contradictory policy 67 secret. If people knew about it, they would see that Hubbard was inconsistent, a bigot, and no genius.

[JonMcMaster]

I have been a $cientologist 47 years (though left the 'church' 24 years ago), held various positions at various levels in organizations, a Class VI auditor, OT 6, and I have never seen or heard anything remotely anti-Jewish.

No offense Aaron, but just because you (or LRH or anyone else) says something, doesn't make it true.

[jdtrickster4]

Yes but you haven't seen anything in Scientology that is racist; YET, Hubbard DID make many racist comments throughout his life and on tape. Witness, the lecture from Anatomy of the Human Mind Course, titled "A talk on So. Africa."

[wiseoldgoat]

To jdtrickster4:

You interpret various as racism, when it actual fact it is not. The usual result of presenting matters OUT OF CONTEXT. Sorry, will not work.

[jdtrickster4]

@wiseoldgoat

interpret "various??" as racism?

What on earth do u mean, brother? And

present WHAT out of context?

"sorry will not work?" WHAT will not work?

What WON'T work is exhorting ppl to "Think people, think!" & claim what Aaron is doing is a scam & that he doesn't SHOW or GIVE the FO#s. That's so bogus

How can he show the FOs? They're in the Hollywood Guarantee Bldg. And do YOU rem the #s to ANY?

You're defending the Sea Org, for gawd's sake! :) Endured attacks in the 60s my ass! LMAO

[wiseoldgoat]

You do as him, you talk, but do not support. You are in the business of stories and assumptions. Do you know what a repeater is? They are not critical, they don't investigate and they don't verify. If they like what they hear they will pass it on to the next person, blindly.

[jdtrickster4]

You accuse me of that which you do yourself. I told you this is mostly covered in RJ-67 where Ron speaks of the World Bank, mental health orgs. & how these 12 families who control the world & their agents have board members in all of these. If THAT is a story, it is not mine but L Ron Hubbard's. Do YOU deny this?

From the above, one can easily see I'm not passing anything "blindly" but giving u an exact reference. Hubbard's writings are replete with such about the psychs being Xenu's cohorts.