learning Shanghai dialect (Chinese only)

[temloc]

什么叫来到阿拉中间？

[Lordofthenipplerings]

No, Mandarin is Beijing dialect. It became the dialect of court officials because that was the capital of the Ming Dynasty and where the emperor presided. If the capital was in Nanjing, perhaps the dialect of court officials would have been Nanjing.

[TaiGekTou]

@Lordofthenipplerings Hello, Beijing dialect during the Ming dynasty is not the same as during the Manchurian Qing occupation. During Ming Dynasty, the Italian court official (Matteo Ricci) compiled a dictionary of romanized Chinese. According to the dictionary, pronunciation of the language was still similar to Shanghainese and Cantonese. When the Manchurians took Beijing, it became a Manchu-zone and their version of the language started from there, thus mordern Mandarin was born.

[Lordofthenipplerings]

@TaiGekTou Sibe language TV lecture (Serial 2 Class1 of 24

Above is a video of learning how to speak Manchu as a Mandarin speaker.

Manchu and Mandarin are completely separate languages. One being Chinese and the other Manchu. The two are very distinct and are not even related. I dont know where its described in Matteo Ricci's dictionary that Chinese at the time sounded like cantonese.

[TaiGekTou]

@Lordofthenipplerings I am not saying Manchu and Mandarin are the same. Mandarin is the creation of the Manchurian government for the prupose of integrating Manchurian culture into the Chinese counterpart. Perhaps you should look for articles about the Manchu's 「以漢治漢」 concept.

[Lordofthenipplerings]

@TaiGekTou I wouldnt know about that. Using the Mandarin dialect as the nation's common theme was not a decision made by the Manchu. They did try to institute it in 1909, but that would have had little effect given that the dynasty ended only a few years later. In 1912, the decision made to use Mandarin as the official dialect by the Republic of China. Half of the Republican congress then was Cantonese. Its leader was Sun Yat Sen, who was also Cantonese.

[TaiGekTou]

@Lordofthenipplerings I think there is some misunderstanding. I am not talking about Mandarin as the official language today, my initial point was that Beijing dialect during Ming Dynasty was very different from Beijing dialect during Manchu Dynasty.

[Lordofthenipplerings]

@TaiGekTou Perhaps you are right. But its hard to say just what dialect sounded like exactly given pronunciations would change over time. I wouldnt say the pronunciations were very different. It is still essentially Chinese.

[Zophixan]

@Lordofthenipplerings Interestingly, the ROC in its early days tried to reintroduce rusheng, which was lost to perhaps, altaic language pressure although maybe not from Manchu, since northern China had constant altaic pressure. I would say Mandarin is Chinese, just heavily Manchu influenced in terms of vocab choice and endings.

[Lordofthenipplerings]

@Zophixan There isnt anything machu about Mandarin

Sibe language TV lecture (Serial 2 Class1 of 24

The two are as different as night and day,

[Lordofthenipplerings]

@Lordofthenipplerings It needs to be remembered, Mandarin doesnt mean Manchu. Its a sanskrit word, borrowed by the portuguese used to describe Ming dynasty officials. It essentially means counselor or minister.

"The English term comes from the Portuguese mandarim (early spelling, mandarin). The Portuguese word is amply attested already in one of the earliest Portuguese reports about China: letters from the imprisoned survivors of the Tomé Pires' embassy, which were most likely written in 1524"

[Zophixan]

@Lordofthenipplerings I respectifully disagree. Notice how there are only endings in NG, and N now? Manchu only has N endings, no p t k. Also, they simplified the grammar slightly. ie. wo de shu / wo ben shu

By manchu influenced, i mainly mean rusheng+a few sayings. I forgot which linguistic papers they are but Hashimoto first said there was manchu influence, although he wrongly said it resulted in a pidgin language.

The above may not be correct, Im not up to date with the newest research.

[Lordofthenipplerings]

@Zophixan Not really, because even if you suggest that cantonese has ng endings. Not all Chinese dialects adopt that form of speak. In addition, mandarin dialect is so different from the manchu language, not only could you not converse in it. You couldnt even successfully implement a Chinese character based system with Manchu.

[Lordofthenipplerings]

Shanghainese is Wu dialect. Chinese ancestors are Chinese. They worship generals and scholars like Guan Yu and Civil Officer Bao. Guan Yu was born in Shaanxi province, and was an officer stationed in Sichuan. And he is worshiped as a god of fortune and war wherever there are Chinese. Wu dialect or not.

[jacobhoa]

What a big difference!

[knowingmeknowingyouu]

I think it would be amazing, given rapid globalization, if all dialects could remain as strong as they once were. I think it's good to have one unifying language, but I love diversity.

[BAIYUE1]

Shanghainese are dying.Sad for shanghainese language.

Most shanghainese now only can speak madarin.they can't understand language of your ancestor.And they are people who lost their origin.

[Crapidiot]

lol yeah i admit i look down on some waidiren as well LOL cant deny.

[KoolJayJ]

why do everyone always criticize shanghainese? Even chinese people for some reason bad mouths it.......... you realize many successful chinese people are shanghainese or has shanghai roots right? No other province or city in china produces the sheer artists, musical, models, actors/actresses and sometimes athletic talents than shanghai

[Crapidiot]

@KoolJayJ

locals have this really racist attitudes towards waidi ren. i mean really really racist like look down. most ppl with chip on their shoulder will rant. they dont even rant they just ignore them as if they are animals (migrant ppl in shanghai)

[Crapidiot]

@KoolJayJ

havent heard non chinese badmouth them at all. my shang friends in australia when they mention their background or chnese ppl show their passport with shang in it the whites are like really surprised and into them. what u said about chinese ppl could be jealousy and racist shang people behviour. however a lot of these waidiren (nonshang ppl) are always pretending to be shang, diss the locals and then when they befriend one they suck up

im half shang half nanjingese i would noe.

[KoolJayJ]

@Crapidiot im full shanghainese, im moderately fluent in the dialect thanks to home interaction (we only use shanghai to communicate in the household) While we use mandarin to communicate with friends and other local chinese.

The whole of china is jealous at Shanghainese for some reason, as we tend to dress better, have lighter skin, more style and a westernized attitude towards women and life. Though i do admit, the men are waaayyy too much of a pussy.

[Crapidiot]

@KoolJayJ

i think if locals just change attitudes a bit to less maintendance and proud they would fare better. but tbh in the world stage most waidiren are regarded as ugly poor chinks makign nike sneakers. when shanghainese go out non chinesego 'woah" and this give all chinese opinion b4 a new image. dont deny. maybe thats y we all look down on waidiren so they get bitter

[KoolJayJ]

@Crapidiot i don't look down on them, i just look down on there attitudes.

I can never look down on my own people regardless of there status in life. All chinese should stick together, the whole world is against us!!

[Crapidiot]

@KoolJayJ

when it comes to non chinese of course i protect chinese. if its chinese i protect within regions.

my mentality irl is country is like ur family.bully outside keep family enclosed and protected at any cost

[Crapidiot]

@KoolJayJ

u are too pesimistic koolj

look at the world bbc poll. only north america europe japan are against china not other continents. do not get brainwahsed by western media of whiteys

[KoolJayJ]

@Crapidiot Hell I even consider the south koreans to be our brothers, hopefully one day (probably soon) NOrth and south would be united under the leadership of Seoul with the help of beijing. We can be what we once were, a close ally and friend. The japanese are a lost cause, im willing to forgive them for there past atrocities even though they dare to make shit up and pretend it never happend. But they are definitely not the japanese we used to know, its like they never grew up after WWII

[cdosrt]

@KoolJayJ I actually do not know many who like Shanghainese people and it is not because they are jealous. It is because you think we are jealous. Most Shanghainese people think that they are better than the rest of China. That they are a higher class of people, and everyone hates that. You say that you tend to dress better or have more style and lighter skin, but that just means that you're a douche. I like Shanghai as a place, but the people? I'd rather go to Dongbei. So much less pretentious.

[KoolJayJ]

@cdosrt you got to be shitting me right........ we never harboured much resentment towards non local shanghainese before they started turning the place

how would you like it when they start flooding in by the millions. only 30% of the population in shanghai nowadays are actual shanghai locals. The rest are all outsiders/migrants. Taking away jobs, making life hard for us, picking fights, drugs etc etc......

[cdosrt]

@KoolJayJ I SHIT YOU NOT. One word of Shanhainese people to most Chinese and the sentiment is the same unfortunately.. Obnoxious, Stuck up, Arrogant and very Pretentious.. Maybe it's because the majority of the people from Shanghai behave in a way that is un-Chinese.. It probably the fact that people from Shanghai try too hard to be Westernised and that in itself is annoying. It's ok to be trendy and able to speak English etc, but when you stick it in other peoples faces, that is where its wrong

[KoolJayJ]

@cdosrt well if they don't like it than they can feel free to FUCK OFF out of shanghai..... seriously what the hell is wrong with you assholes?? We are all chinese....... you really do not know what kind of shit shanghai locals have to deal with from there own fucking people. For example, there was this asshole who phoned in one of the popular shanghai radio stations and told them to stop talking in there dialect, its pissing him off. What kind of bullshit is this??

[ZhangMingXuanIsABabe]

@KoolJayJ

yeah i think we should be independent.

[poortaiwanese]

@ZhangMingXuanIsABabe err no .I don't think so

[KoolJayJ]

@cdosrt He pretty much told them in there own radio station and in there own fucking CITY that they can't speak there own dialect. This is just one of the many many examples of the shit that other chinese implement on shanghainese.....

[cdosrt]

@KoolJayJ Well that guy is an idiot but nevertheless, it is a well known fact that Shanghai people are stuck up. Now Hunan people on the other hand... hmm..

[ZhangMingXuanIsABabe]

@cdosrt

haha then go back to ur china get out of shanghai stupid waidiren

[cdosrt]

@ZhangMingXuanIsABabe LMAO.. that sentence totally did not make any sense whatsoever..

[hanyilv]

long live our big shanghai, if you hate shanghai, just go away and don't let me see u again!

[BAIYUE1]

@hanyilv

Shanghainese is not han chinese.Madarin is truly Han chinese.

Shanghainese should use Madarin.

[hanyilv]

@BAIYUE1 yeah, your are right, but Madarin is not part of Shanghai culture, that's North China's culture, if we Shanghainese want to keep our own culture, we need to protect our language.

[BAIYUE1]

@hanyilv

Actually,less and less shanghainese use shanghainese language.Everybody often use madarin .And after 2 or 3 generation of shanghainese,children of shanghainese will only can speak madarin.It is sad story for shanghainese language.

[bbstar2k]

why the fuck would anyone ever want to learn shanghainese? it's like a new yorker learning to speak like a hillbilly.

[Cakeman900]

@bbstar2k dont be a hater. shanghainese is a really cool language along with Cantonese and other languages in China! :D

[bbstar2k]

@Cakeman900 you're a gay shanghainese with a small penis

[Mikenopolis]

@bbstar2k hahaha that's a funny comment. I want to learn it because I'm half Shanghainese. I speak Cantonese fluently. I never use it but thought it would be nice to know. this video is useless to me since I only understands a few Mandarin words (one those that sound like their Cantonese counterpart.

[JeromeLeong]

Hakka: Jit ngee sam si mm lok chit pak kiu ship

Cantonese: Yat yee sam si mm lok chat pak kau sap.

Korean: Eel ee sam saa wuu ryuek cheel pal goo ship.

Japanese: Ichi ni san shii goh rokku sichi hachi kyuu ju

Mandarin: yi er san shii wu liew chii pa jyuu she.

Hokkien : Yit jee saa shi goh lak chit pek kau chap.

[OPMComedy]

@JeromeLeong

Correction:

Mandarin: yi èr san sì wǔ lìu qi ba jǐu shí

Japanese (On reading): ichi ni san shi go roku shichi hachi kyuu juu

[TheWOWRichardqian]

SHANGHAI ONLY

[waterman159]

Speak okay...lol

[fung0625]

不會語言學的傻瓜

學學歷史　學學漢語吧　不要以媒體亂眾

大家都是漢語　傻傻國語失去入聲　失去後鼻音ng

還說跟廣東話像　笑死人

千 ... 不會拼音不要說 在標準漢語里是c 應謂tsh

不是q  不是k的硬齶化聲母　低質素

[Vancbenson]

@fung0625 广东话跟狗叫没啥区别，谢谢

[Crapidiot]

@Vancbenson

i agree

[qq75970138]

@Vancbenson 广东话才是最接近华夏语的语言 从广东话当中可以看得出很多古文的习惯用法

[fattization]

狗在叫你??? LOL.... 

[mcgainey]

上海话不容易， 普通话也是难， 我正在学习汉语， 爱中国。

[0Blue0Sparkle]

HEY it kinda sounds like canto!!

[mrboy2man]

oh Yeah。老吕。

[911toothache]

That guy looks like a Chinese John Cusack!!! :P

[yoka955]

wow, every time this guy finished counting from 1-10 he would do a corny laugh, weird.

[codeagent47]

Shanghainese sound a lot like Japanese!

[ajoajoajoaj]

Mandarin already has a billion speakers. Why does it need to wipe out other languages to make more?

[zjy343]

hell yea

[RabidxPanda]

@ajoajoajoaj because the situation is currently that not knowing mandarin is a disadvantage.

[BAIYUE1]

@RabidxPanda

REVIVE WU YUE KINGDOM FOR SHANGHAINESE

[MissLurvelyB]

@ajoajoajoaj f*cking commies. I feel sorry for the other dialects!! i thought china took pride for its 56 dialects! But thank god cantonese is still well known and had the biggest infleunce around the world.

[GaolisVideoLog]

@MissLurvelyB But what do you think the British upper class did with English? Or what about German? Or look at the Philippines with Tagalog? Or look at France. It doesn't matter what political system you look at, the agenda is the same. Killing local culutre in order to attain unitiy.

[catherine20080811]

@ajoajoajoaj Cus those dialects are so different and i dont understand most of those other than Mandarin and Wu.. lol

[SweetCoconutDream]

uhhh...sorry,i know it's not about this,but....THAT GUY IS SOOOO HOT :O:O:D:D

[utubefcuked]

interesting to note that the word for twenty or two is pronounced the same way in japanese..

[SBTailand]

yes, even japanese kimono is Wu clothes in china. And Wu area is just the area where shanghai is in.

[Nanashi123]

@utubefcuked uh...no its not. two in shanghainese is liang and ni in japanese. Twenty is liangsap in shanghainese and nijyu in japanese...

[Liuhuayue]

@Nanashi123 Actually, 20 in Shanghainese is "ni-eh" (at least, that's how I say it).

[FuzzyMango83]

@Nanashi123

Is 20 really "liansap"? I speak the dialect and I've never heard of it spoken that way before. I say it the way Liuhuayue mentioned.

[zhangtaiyin]

@Nanashi123 U DONT KNOW BUDDY. TWO IN SHANGHAINESE IS ALSO NI. LIANG FROM MANDARIN

[utubefcuked]

i was told that shanghainese were very similar to Korean in terms of pronounciation.. but i wanna fuck that chinese host

[intestineisyum]

haha thats personal freedom and preference issue govt cannot change that at all...so langauge will be pased down forever

[intestineisyum]

lol do ppl know that the govt is trying to erradicate shanghainese and replace it by mandarin. i mean seriously shanghainese didnt do anything to other chinese and the govt feels insecure about its ppls thinking and has to raid the place with "speak mandarin love country" posters everywhere. if ur gonna do that most will defend the language even further

no mixing with other chinese

all shanghainese feel this

[Allawahguy]

I'm Cantonese- one of those "other Chinese" you're talking about. I don't want to mix with you either. Your dialect sounds disgusting.

[intestineisyum]

other chinese meant wai di ren. a lot of shanghainese dont even know whats cantonese lol XD

[Allawahguy]

a lot of shanghainese don't know what Cantonese is? That's cos you're all stupid.

[Phead128]

lol, That's cuz you are are idiots. LOL

[Nanashi123]

@intestineisyum that isn't true the government only established mandarin as the lingua franca, they have openly stated that they will not attempt to push out other chinese dialects. That wouldn't even make sense since the majority of the population of china do not speak sufficient mandarin.

[ted2924]

Mandarin is replacing the Shanghainese dialect in Shanghai. Now Shanghaineses are worried. In order to preserve the Shanghai dialect, many Shanghainese women are only marrying Shanghainese guys or similar dialect group such as Suzhou. It sounds like they're racist but it is true...

[ZhangMingXuanIsABabe]

my parents only speak shanghainese at home and me with them as well..i cant speak mandarin proerply..usually i only use english outside

[sasuke141]

lol XD It's certainly interesting listening to this because both my parents are from Shanghai so they speak it regularly at home :P It's actually easier for me to understand the Shanghai dialect than Mandarin.

[MrKandeeMan]

How do you say "I miss you" in Shanghai dialect?

[andrew3656]

woo xiang nong

[bluewker]

it's more like nwo xiang nong ? It has that tonge/roofie sound.... I think of you ...

[saintelohim]

222，用上海话说，那三个"2"的发音全不一样。数字"十"和­表示十位时的（韵母）发音也不一样

[july071992]

cantonese is better because its even more vulgar and more colorful.

[july071992]

ham sap ham ka chan dew ney lo mo pok kai saw seng sik see

[jimmyjamesWang]

lol, well, historically, Wu kingdom and Yue kingdom were considered 'sami-barbarians' by the 'other' Chinese cultures. So, both are supposed to be more vulgar and colourful than mandarin, lol.

[raininthesouth]

And what is Mandarin? Mandarin has only 300-400 year history. Any Han linguistic scholar can tell you that Mandarin bears very little resemblance to ancient Han language. It truly is a "foreign language" spoken by the northern Manchus. Read any ancient poem you want and see how it rhymes in Mandarin. Ancient Wu language is the closest language to ancient Han language. Do some research yourself.

[dreampianist]

谢分享 =)

[BurntSalmon]

Are you guys all shanghainese?

[jesuschristsmysavior]

My sister ruined it didn't she? I knew someone would break it sooner or laterxD

[jesuschristsmysavior]

How many times do you have to curse like a Nip to make your point? Why don't try insulting me like an real American before you tell me to never set foot on America again? That's because you're worthless piece of shit born from the waste of a whore.

[jesuschristsmysavior]

All you do reiterate my comebacks. I was only trying to correct you, lad.

[jesuschristsmysavior]

You seriously don't make any sense. Now you heedlessly describe me as dyslexic? Man, you entertain me so well. You're probably just one of those dumb Asians that tries so hard to sound smart when they only know one or two words in Shanghainese.

[polarice123]

dont feed the trolls

[jesuschristsmysavior]

What your country? You're probably just one of those shitty Nips.

[jesuschristsmysavior]

Heh...you're probably just dyslexic.

[jesuschristsmysavior]

First of all, how can you use a translator when there are no words to translate? And what poor English? You don't even know that you can't use an online translator when someone is speaking. Get on with your low-life!

[jesuschristsmysavior]

What the fuck is your major malfunction? She clearly stated in her Mandarin that she was comparing Shanghainese, Mandarin, and Cantonese. If you can't even understand Mandarin then piss off.

[wenaolong]

很好.....

[coldfusionmusical]

这个网上上海话课程真好呀， 希望还有跟多的， 在我这儿没有人说和教上海话呀。

[P01029]

WHAT.....THE.....F..... O_o XD so many dialects

[jesuschristsmysavior]

The counting in Canto is so off...

[mkfk1]

lol yea... She is betting her audience doesnt know.

[alafuw]

Was that supposed to be Cantonese? Because it so isn't.

[Maybige]

Read the fucking title. She's speaking shanghainese.

[jesuschristsmysavior]

Learn some Chinese! She clearly said that she was comparing it to Canto.

[zhongguohua88]

It was Shanghainese, she just said that it was similar to Cantonese but never tried to count in Cantonese.

[jesuschristsmysavior]

Thanks for the clarification!

[jessgao910]

好！

大家来跟我读222， 用上海话！

[berryfox]

两百涅尼

还有一个来：

他竟然说他傻

以刚以刚以刚

[SoundwaveSuperior373]

shanghai>all

[quake99]

shanghai dialect sounds weird!

shang4 hai2 hua4 ting1 chi3 lai3 qi2 gui4.

[democrat10]

It kind of sounds like Japanese.

And no, I'm not one of those ignorant white people with no idea what he's talking about. My dad's speaks Shanghainese and it's hard as hell to follow!

[jimmyjamesWang]

lol, it is actually the other way around. Japanese kind of sound like 'shanghaiese' or more accurately, sounds more like Wu dialect family. You know that there exist two different sets of pronounciations for 'Kanji'. One is called 'Kan-on' (in chinese, it means 'Han-sound'); the other one is 'Go-on', ( 'Wu-sound' in Chinese). basically it means that a lot of japanese 'kanji' vocabularies uses Wu language pronounciation of the kanji. That's why it sounds similar.

[dawnpatrol13]

@jimmyjamesWang I think a big reason that Japanese and Shanghainese sound similar (especially to Mandarin speakers) is the phonology of the languages:

1. Sh. and Jp. both have voiced consonants, while Mn. does not (e.g., the 'b' in pinyin is unvoiced, unaspirated).

2. Sh. and Jp. both have similar "tonal" systems, often described as "pitch accent." So, instead of having one (possibly complex) tone per syllable, as in Mn., there will be a simple pattern of lows and highs over the sentence.

[BubbleOfJelly]

Noo.. I would have to strongly disagree with you. It sounds nothing close to Japanese. It's even closer to Thai than Japanese (just to show you how great the difference is).

[JiangJiaYan]

japanese sounds like shanghainese or wu dialects

i think japanese themselves know this as well lol

[jkrdsr]

Do you speak Japanese to know?

[jkrdsr]

Then do you speak Japanese?

It does not sound like Japanese, at all. Shanghainese is much richer in vowels and has airier consonants

[poortaiwanese]

pfft your an idiot,its well known shanghainese

sound like japanese.The wu region dialect

have some similar flat tone with japanese

[jkrdsr]

I've asked if you know Japanese and Shanghainese to know if they are alike.

Just because Shanghainese has a lot of flat tones does not mean it's similar to Japanese.

I've studied Japanese for 5 years. It doesn't sound like Japanese at all.

Just because the lady said words that end in tsi/chi doesn't mean that the whole language is related or even similar to Japanese.

[jkrdsr]

So you are the idiot because you are going by not knowledge or experience but what you've heard what other first-time-guessing idiots with no background in linguistics have said.

Also,

I hope you don't consider Mandarin and Cantonese and Wu as a part of the same language. If you do, you should consider Spanish, Italian, French, and Rumanian as all a part of an imaginary language called Romance.

[poortaiwanese]

dude I didn't made up this shit,go research

wu dialect and shanghainese on wiki.idiot

[jkrdsr]

So you based your findings on wikipedia?

I'm not going to respond you any longer.

Goodbye.

[poortaiwanese]

what about wiki?lol ppl rather believe

in wiki than you.Atleast i have sources

unlike you whose argument are based

on personal opinion and experience.

bye retard

[misshalfway]

OH YEAH :-)

[swtkiss3z]

hen hao