LOL i laught so much at these poor busters they arent even greek and claim that they are just "Macedonians"
look at Macedonian history the name is greek they had greek religion they speaked greek so they where greek so yes ur macedonia u call it its ours in other words we own you ! XD !
Ps dont reply cause it will be probably more so called "Makedonia" crying and whining
THERE ARE TWO HISTORICANS ONE OF THEM IS STILL ALIVE WHO ARE BORN IN PELLA THE VILLAGE NEXT TO PELLA THTS PALATICA WHAT ON MACEDONIAN MEANS THE CASTLE GREEKS DONT HAVE EXPLANATION ABOUT THAT NAME
ALEXANDER WAS MACEDONIAN AND HE WAS FIGHTING AGAINST THE UNITED GREEKS GREEEEEEEECE
WHY IN 1893 WHEN THE MACEDONIANS IN THESSALONIKI (SOLUN) WERE MAJORITY WAS FORM THE VMORO OR IMRO WHAT IS THE REVOLUTIONARY ORGANIZATION OF THE MACEDONIANS
WHY GOCE DELCEV THE BIGGEST REVOLUTION LEADER OF IMRO WAS BORN IN KILKIS greek KUKUSH macedonian IN TODAY GREEK PROVINCE OF MACEDONIA
THESSALONIKI IS MACEDONIAN ITS NAME IS SOLUN. IN SOLUN IN TURKISH TIME AND IN ALL GREEK PROVINCE OF MACEDONIA WITCH IS ASSIMILATED JUST LIKE THE JEWS AND TURKS WERE PUNISHED WITH GETTING OUT FROM GREECE FROM THE GREEKS THE SAME WAS WITH THE MACEDONIANS IN SAME TIME
So as i said greeks are afraid of us that's all! The truth hurts them that's why the are bullshing all the time. Alexander was Macedonian as his father was, 50% of the Greece is Macedonian part - Aegean Macedonia, so know what the fuck greeks are talking about??? Who the fuck are they??? Macedonians maybe??? Yes, yes they are macedonians, greeks does not exist!!! FORMER MACEDONIAN REPUBLIC OF "GREECE"!!! LONG LIVE MACEDONIA!!! PROUD TO BE THE 2500 YEARS OLD NATION, PROUD TO BE MACEDONIAN!!!
Greece has part of the Real-United Macedonia, The Aegean Macedonia, so that's why they do not support the name Republic of Macedonia, alos Pela is located in Aegean Macedonia(United Macedonia). So as we can see greeks are afraid of supporting the name Republic of Macedonia cuz one day we will bring back our Aegean Macedonia! Whole World knows about Alexander III Macedonian known as Great, that he was Macedonian and was killing greeks, also about the our symbol the Vergina Sun!
you have understand all this wrong! if you read carefully, what egyptians say to Herodot its that life and humankind was created in Egypt. and after they set and inhabitant all the earth. so the egyptians claim that all life has created there, so if you beileve that then you are too an african origin!
Livius history of Rome book XLV paragraph XXIX (Aimilius Paulus) ''sat on his official seat, his anouncements was translated to Hellenic and repeated by praetor Gnaeus Octavius''
Kiro Gligorov 26/2/1992 '' We are Slavs and came on the region on the 6th century AD. We are not descentands of the ancient Macedonians''
Kiro Gligorov Toronto star 15/3/1992 We are not Macedonians but Slavs!. we have no relation with Alexander the greek and his Macedonia, our ancestrors come here on the 5th and 6th AD.
Didorus siculus record that the Egyptians claim that ''life was created in Egypt long time ago and then spread to all earth'' Diodorus siculus book 1, 10
''Osiris sons was Anoubios and Macedon whom their bravery was known. Anoubios wore leather of dog in his armor and Macedon Wolf. Osiris was pass from all world and came to Hellespond and thrace, there he killed the thracian lykourgos and left the olg maron in charge of the ceeds and plant he bring from his country. he left Macedon in the land
that was called macedonia from his name, and left Triptolemos in charge of the plants and ceeds in Attica (Athens region) diodorus Siculus book 1, 18-20
so if we beleive the egyptians for the creation of humankind, Osiris sons Anoubios, and macedon and Triptolemos came from Egypt in the colonitasion process. so if the Hellenes of Triptolemos were African origin so and his son Macedon and the land he named by his name macedonia!
i give you all the archaelogical fact that macedonians were greeks and the only thing you can say its the reference of a dna test manufactured to convice the majorety of the international archaelogists, who they undoutebly say macedonians were greek? even if the greeks came form africa (they did not i would answer you to that also)that did not change the archaelogic evidence, undenible that the macedonians were Hellenes! script, coins, tombs, ancient writters, say macedonians were hellenes!
about Pelasgians. ''Pelasgos was the son of ZEUS and Niobis native grandfather of Thessalos, Progenitor of the Palasgians'' (Apollodoros Mythology II, 2. 3)
Graekos son of Thessalos and great grandson of Pelasgos
Graios Grekos has the meaning of ''old autochthonus'' Hellas was also called Graia, Gaia=Earth (Graia old woman) Hellin son of Deucalion from his name derives the name Hellas ''previusly called Pelasgia'( Herodotus B 56) so the Pelasgoi was the name of Hellenes befor the cataclysm
of Deucalion, and after the the cataclysm of deucalion the Pelasgians seperate in groups replacing the name Pelasgoi with the names of the leaders they folow (Herodotus Z 94-95) Doros, Aiolos, Ionas, Achaios, thus creating the greek tribes who are known in the historic times. so the Pelasgians were the name of Greeks befor the cataclysm of Deucalion. i was not expect to stop beleiving that you are descendant of the ancient macedonians, but i was hope to get you puzzled so you can search alone
about the ''research of Antonio Arnaiz-Villena this is what say world-leading genetiseds
Neil risch-Stanford university
Alberto Piazza-Univ. of Torino
L.L. Cavali-Stanford.
''Even a cursory look at the papers diagrams and trees, immediately indicates that the authors make some extraordinary claims. They used a single genetic marker HLA DRB1, for their analysis to constract a genealogical tree and map of 28 populations from Europe, the Middle East, Africa and Japan. Using results of the .....
...Analysis of a single marker particularly one likely to have undergone selection for the purpose of reconstructing genealogies is unrelible and unacceptable practise in population genetics''
what they say? they say it was fabricated to give the results the authors wanted! to presend the greeks as sub-saharan people and the FYROMians as the true descendants of Alexander the great! whats its the truth about the Hellenes? researches of the universities of Stanford & Pavia italy proved that .....
the Hellenic DNA its 99.5% white. this global scientific research proved that the hellenic DNA is not influenced by Slavs, Turks or Blacks. the results reveal greek distance from Africans and closely related to basques and other Europeans, for more information watch the video on youtube Greek DNA is the same. since the Arcaelogical evidence of FYROM created history can't convice the international shcolars, created new ''fact'' that we are Africans! you can only see greeks and see we are white
you can only see the greeks today and the ancient statues and see the resemblens, even if greeks were from africa or even from another planet! this doesnt change the FACT that Macedonians were Hellenes, all the archaelogic evidence its clear, coins, language, tombs, ancient writters all say the same. were its your ''macedonian'' language in ancient relics and scripts? even if you proof that greeks were Aliens! that dont automatically make you descendants of macedonians, that must understand
@petros311 Sorry man,the word MACEDONIAN,described TRIBE BELONGING at the ancient time,so they could't be hellenes,because that word described culture,not the TRIBE BELONGING!
@petros311 We never said that Macedonians didn't accept many things of it.....But Macedonians were Macedonians..Hellenes were not exist...So i don't know on which base you are calling Macedonians hellenes,when hellenes were never exist....MACEDONIANS WERE TRIBE,and each tribe is independent!
@CAKIMacedonian i know that every one must be proud for his country and heritage, but now you being ridiculus saying we never exist! so the Romans speak and writte for a nation that did not exist? all that men of wisdom from ancient Hellas did not exist? a little seriusness would not hurt, when you end up in such conclusions in the efort to convince other people, no one would take you seriusly
@CAKIMacedonian and today there is north Korea and south Korea, 2 countries with diferent regimes, but one nation the Koreans, there is China and Taiwan, 2 countries with diferent regime but one nation Chinese! the fact that there were many states or kingdoms do not change that they were one nation. in the 4 panhellinic games dedicated to ancient gods they were alowed greeks from wholle Hellada but not others. the games was the Olymbic in honor Dias-Zeus, Pythia in honor of Apollon
@CAKIMacedonian Nemea in honor again Dias-ZEUS and Korinthia in Honor of Poseidon, it was also female games the Heraia in Honor of Hera. also was the Amphyctionies , originally religion common witch includes all Hellenic areas and populations including Macedonia, witch later also gain political importance too. in those were not accepted population who did not being Hellenes. Also in today times, Cyprus its hellenic population, except the turkishcypriots, but they not union with Hellas becouse
@CAKIMacedonian becouse the English did not permitted them, becouse they wanted to stil have the island under their spaire of influence and the bases there, backing up with the USA in this matter. but Greekcypriots speak Hellenic, have hellenic names, they are Hellenes, there is not such thing as cypriot nation. in your way of thinking cypriots are a diferent tribe with independant state and thus diferent nation
@CAKIMacedonian what was ellada? it was all those states you refer, all those was part of ellada, what you dont understand? and the Kurds dont have their own state, that makes them Turks? and the Palestinians dont have their own state, that makes them Israelies? the reason that all those states exist, dont mean that they weren't one nation. just most of hellenes wanted to have their small states , so they desided their own, rather a large state that you can't influence it, and become an empire
@petros311 Ok..all those states were Ellada....And Ellada was what??? Land,Federation,Kingdom,Culture????On what all those states BELONG...what was that where they belonged????
As i know they were INDEPENDENT CITY-STATES....how coul they belong to Elada????
@CAKIMacedonian Ellada was a nation of indepent states, who share common Gods, common language, common Ethos. your arguments are fault becouse you try to make connections with the ancient macedonians, by trying to break the connections of greeks to them, thus that make you automatically macedonias! the real argument you should search is what you have common with the ancient macedonians that make you beleive that you are descendantds of the macedonians? were its your archaelogic evidence?
@CAKIMacedonian were its the proof that they speak not greek but your ''macedonian'' language? that it should be your eforts. but becouse the evidence showing the opposite from what you want, you try to disconect macedonia from greece, saying all indepentant states, so if they are independant macedonian kingdom its not greek, if not greek then its ''macedonian'' an we are descendands of them! whats your proof that you are not slavs but macedonians? simply you dont have! even your language its
@CAKIMacedonian its ''yelling'' that its slavic language and not ''macedonian'' do you beleive that ancients macedonians speaking slavic? do you think alexander the great saying ''so pravish ti? arnu! '' sorry for my bad orthography or my wrong letters, since i dont know slavic! were its your ancient scripts of ''macedonian'' language? its this you must research, evidence that you are the same people or not! and not trying to convice g''reeks are african so we are the macedonians''
22/1/1999 ambassador Lyubica Atsefska ''We dont demand to be recognised as descendants of Alexander the Great... We are Slavs and we speak Slavic language''
''we dont related with the north Greeks, who they have leaders like Philip and gGeat Alexander. We are Slavs and our language its related with the Bulgarian. There is some confussion about my country identity'' what more proof you want?
@CAKIMacedonian and i was make you all those questions about the archaelogic and ancient writters evidence and you did not answer me yet!
i am waiting your answer with evidence about you are same people with the macedonians the thing that the slavic countries dont have ''oficial'' slavic language, its becouse to the cource of times every country develope their own dialect serbian, kroatian, bosnian, slovenian etc. your language its slavic, your country oficials was admited what more you want?
@CAKIMacedonian why you dont check the site macedonia-evidence org/obama letter
and see what more than 300 international scholars of ancient antiquity say about the name issue and what documentations they bring. the obama is in 4 languages includung slavic-Fyromian. if you dont beleive the greek scholars i am guessing you dont have problem beleive the international. down of the letter there is the signatures who are increasing.
the ancient macedonians were Hellenes and i would prove to you that.
1) they speak Hellenic , from all macedonia and to afganistan -india the only language from alexandros campaign its only Hellenic! nothic was found in other language, you say macedonians were not greek, were is your language? nothing no coin no tomb script , no relic only hellenic language, Alexandros use the Hellenic language as ''lingua fraca'' of his kingdom? why? why he dont use his ''macedonian'' if it was existed? answer
that, your ''language'' did not have prof before the 6th century AD nothing written!
2) all ancient macedonians have only greek names, Alexandros, Philippos, Ptolemaios, Aristotelis, their names have meanings in Hellenic language but not in your language! answer why they did have Hellenic names?
3) they worshiped the same Hellenic Gods! they did not worshiped eny foreghiner Gods of the Sloveni-Veneti only Hellenic Gods!
4) i would give you ancient authors proves, for the hellenic of macedonians
Thukydides II 99 and V 80. ''Alexandros I his father Perdikkas and the ancestors of them, were ancient Timenidae dynasty from Argos''
Strabo Geographica Z 9, B108, 128, 130. Θ-403 ''and macedonia is Hellas''
Herodotus Historiai E22 ''Alexandros I, prove that he is Argive, and thus Hellenas'' (when he compete to the 71st Olymbiadae
Herodotus Historiai E 20 (Alexandros I saying to persian ambassadors) '' Go and tell that a man Hellenas, the successor of the macedonian throne, welcome you''
Herodotus Θ 45, (Alexandros I) ''and i am Hellenas from the ancient race, and i dont want to see Hellas from free to become enslaved''
Arrianos Alexander anabasis B 14 Alexandros the great ''I am king of Hellenes''
Arrianos Alexander anabasis A 16.7 ''Alexandros son of Philippos and the Hellenes, except the Lacaedemonians, from the barbarians who inhabitant in Asia'')
Arrianos Alexander anabasis A 16.6 (Alexandros the great speaking to Hellenic merceneries of the persians) ''against the common Hellenic glory, despite being Hellenes, you fight against Hellas for the sake of barbarians''
plutarch, ''Alexandros the great choose 30.000 Persian boys, he ordered to learn Hellenic language and macedonian weapons''
Titus livius history of Rome book XXX, paragraph XXIX
''Aitolians and Akarnanians and Macedonians, men of the same language''
22/1/1999 ambassador Lyubica Atsefska ''We dont demand to be recognised as descendants of Alexander the Great... We are Slavs and we speak Slavic language''
''we dont related with the north Greeks, who they have leaders like Philip and gGeat Alexander. We are Slavs and our language its related with the Bulgarian. There is some confussion about my country identity''
15/10/2008 greek TV ET-3 ex minister of internal and Foreign, Lyubomomir Friskovskie, ''macedonians are slavs and not Macedonias, who are trying to avoid the absorbance from Bulgaria''
the evidence its there! you are not macedonians, you are slavs who try to stay indepentant. only someone who dont want to see the truth its denied! there is also proofs by international scholars on the site Macedonia-evidence org. but the last 20years are so much propaganda and nothing would change in FYROM
.....First they picket out Hypermnestra as the eldest to be the wife of Lynceus, and Gorgophone to be a wife of Proteus; for Lynceus and Proteus had been borne to Egyprus by a women of royal blood, Argiphia; but of the rest Busiris, Eceladus,Lycus, and Daiphron obtained by lot the daughters
that had been borne to DANAUS by EUROPE, to wit, Automate, Amymone, Agave, and Scaea. These daughters were borne to DANAUS by a queen, Butr Gorgophone and Hypermnestra were born to him by Elephantis
And touched at Rhodes he set up the image of LINDIAN ATHENA. Thence he come to Argos and the reining king Gelanor surrendered the kingdom to him ;and having made himself master of the country he named the inhabitants DANAI after himself . But the country being waterless..... But the sons of Egyptus come to Argos, and exhornted Danaus to lay aside his enmity , and begged to marry his daughters
but Egyptus subjugated the country of the Melampods and named it Egypt after himself. Both had children by many wives. .... DANAUS feared the sons of Egyptus , and by advice of Athena he built a ship ,being the first to do so , and having put his daughters on board he fled.
THAT MACEDONIAN AS A COUNTRY WAS DEVIDED IN 1913 , THERE WAS NO VARDAR , AGEAN OR PIRIN BEFORE IT WAS DIVIDED !!
GREECE SHOULD STOP CRAPPING ON THAT MACEDONIANS ARE GREEK WHEN IN ACTUAL FACT IT IS THE MACEDONIANS WHOM CONQUERED THESE GREEKS THERFORE GREECE HAS NO RIGHT TO SAY WE MACEDONIANS ARE GREEK .
IF THEY WANT THEY CAN SAY THAT ATHENIANS ARE PART MACEDONIAN HISTORY AS THEY WERE RULED BY THE MACEDONIAN KING PHILLIP II, NOTE ONLY ATHENIANS !
i am really sorry for those people who killed...but i have to say that it's rediculus and immoral the USE OF THEIR DEATH FROM ALJAZEERA to turn the crowd in ''one'' side while it accuse Greeks and made them look like ''THE TORMENTORS OF THIS SMALL NATION WHO FIGHTS TO FIND IT'S IDENTITY'' and ''WE FORGET OUR PAST WHEN IT'S INCONVENIENT! YES ALJAZEERA THAT WAS VERY EQUAL AND OBJECTIVE!
your skopians deal with it macedonia is greek and will remain greek 4500 years of history greek history your monkey asses got there in the 7th century scumbags
My grandfather is Macedonian from Kavadarci-central Macedonia and also 9 generations before him that i know of in my family tree.We are culturaly one of the richest nations in the world.The Macedonians kept their identity and never backed down.Greeks deny something that is a fact,My gran grand father was born in 1897 and he never said that he was something diferent than macedonian,so who brainwashed him??The turks??You arguments are just pathetic and go deal with your bancroped country
Macedonia has teritorial pretensions towards Greece?? Are you mad?? We have a fucking 15 000 army for christ sake. JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GIVE US WHAT IS RIGHTFULLY OURS YOU STUPID BANCROPED NIGGERS
Like kesha sings we are who we are and we are macedonians proven from many institutes all over the world so dont call us furom call us Macedonia and its proven that the greeks haha it is true that they are more slavs than the macedonians haha and this is not bullshit propagamda from me and science from other countries has no room for propaganda
@dennood since the science of other countries dont have propaganda and proven the macedonian were macedonians, why you dont read the obama letter from 200 international scholars of roman-greek antiquity (now more than 332 signatures) go to macedonia evidence org for the letter to Obama concerning macedonia
@petros31 You have wrong information,i speak and write on Macedonian,there is not such a thing as slavic language nowhere in the world,i really don't know from where you got that information!
And second,we are using many ancient Macedonian words,from Homer's Illiad,from the time of Alexander and so on!
KOSMOS,ISTORIA,ATT,KRATER....all ancient Macedonian words used even today!
@CAKIMacedonian the words you describe its undoutebly greek, and homer was greek, ancient macedonians was greek tribe, relative to the spartans as were both Dorian descentands who came to peloponnese as allies for the deposed sons of Heracles, alexander the great the argead dynast origins from argos and gos back to the heracles. macedonians speak a greek dialect, thats why when alexander qonquer the east, the language that was spread and become common was the greek
the ancient greeks were descendance of 4 major groups or tribes, the Dorians witch includes spartans, macedonians, messenians, cretans etc, the Ionians witch includes athenians, and the cities on ionia in asia minor, miletus, efesos, smyrne and islands of aegean etc, Achaeans witch includes argos, arcadia, cyprus etc, the Aeolians witch includes many islands of the aegean sea. it was 4 general groups of dialects witch form later the koine greek, common language witch its today greek language
not excatly, those groups the Dorians, Achaeans, Ionians, Aeolians, were refering to them selfs like Hellenes (Greeks) Hellenes its the name that includes all the tribes, the ancient Greeks saying that was 2 brothers Pelasgos and Helllenas, Ellenas had 3 sons, Doros (founder of the Dorians) Achaios (founder of the Achaieans) and Xuthos, Xuthos had 2 sons Ionas (founder of the Ionians) and Aiolos (founder of the Aeolians) the descendants of those men was refering all as Hellenes, and speak greek
@petros311 Let me tell you about your origin now:".....But Belus remained in Egypt, reigned over the country, and married Anchinoe , douther of Nile, by whom he had twin sons, Egyptus and Danaus, but according to Euripides, he had also Cepheus and Phineus. DANAUS was settled by Belus in Lybia, and Egyptus in Arabia;
the name Hellenes include all greeks, the name Greeks was given to us by the Romans, from the greek tribe (Graikoi) that was inhabitant in Thessaly region, but that name did not corespond to all greeks. similar the asian countries call greece Younan from the Ionians becouse they inhabitant very early with colonies in the asia many many years before alexanders campaign. its the same thing as in europe some call germany germans, or allemagnie, but the name deutsch it includes all germans
@CAKIMacedonian if the macedonians were speak some other language diferent than the greek, then the macedonians would make their language as the common of the empire and not greek, international scholars refer the time after the alexander death as hellenistic becouse the civilization that was spread to the east was greek since the macedonians was part of this civilization, other wise if they were not, they would spread their own diferent culture and not the greek.
@CAKIMacedonian there is not such thing as slavic language in the world? and what the serbian, croatian, slovenian, and other languages are? are not slavic? and what about the bulgarian? its slavic and your language its very similar to them, you can understand each other, and dont tell me that bulgarians are also macedonians
@petros311 They are exactly that....serbian,croatian,russian....THEY NEVER CALLED THEIR LANGUAGES SLAVIC...not even one language in the world has never been called like that!
no, its the first time i hear someone not recognise the slavic family of people. all those people you say, ither in pure, or with intermarriage with other people its slavic as the byzantium historians calle them, their language its very close related. when the serbian and croatians come in balcans the byzantines use them as merceneries and with the byzantine army they repell the Avars after the failed attempt of the seige of konstantinople at 626AD. they settle them as allie people to guard the
@petros311 First let me teach you who are the so called slavs-Venets(sloveni-veneti)!
Venets are ancient tribe,ancestors of the Macedonians,mention also by Herodot,who were domestic people, here on the Balkans!Venets descendats are:Paphlagonians,Bryges,Paeonians,Desarets,Linkestes....!
So,the Venets,later called Slavs(with same meaning),are Macedonian ancestors.....who have been called slavs only by the Byznatians!
herod do not mention slavic tribes, only the local of balcans, you just assuning that all those tribes was descendants of thos veneti you say. Bryges was thracians, the pahlagonians i am not sure if they were thracians or local of asia minor, Linkestes were region of ancient macedonians, paionians were the lokals of your country in ancient times and north of them the Dardanians about today kosovo. at the 6th century ad they were vanish as nations due to raids of galatians, goths and others
the argument of only byazantines call them slavs its not logic, simple becouse the byzantines were the continuation of the roman empire, and if those peoples were descendants of the ancient people, they would not refered to them with new name, they say they come from north at those times in the balcan regions, the tribes Antes, serbians, kroatians, Dulevians, Moravians. you dont answer me why the yougo-slavia was named like this if the slavs were not existed
@petros311 Jugoslavia or Southslavia was the name of the federation,where the main ideology was to create one new nation southslavs....!With the time that has been proven as a very big mistake,because the nationalism and the difference of all Jugoslavian states,has been proven by the wars!
There people in Jugoslavia were not slavs but : serbs,croatians,macedonians,slovenes....!
That was the name of the federation,but the states have their own names already!
the territory from Avaric raids south of the danube. allthose people have common language, witch ofcourse change from the years, but they have the same base, you can understand the bulgarians, and bulgarian its very similar with the russian language, other slavic language had become more distict, like chech, slovacian. ofcourse in many of these people like russian was the mix of sweden vikings, slavic tribes of ucranian, and finnians and at some percentage of nomadic tribes that result to the
the modern russian nation, this hapent at the 8th century ad as byzantine historians right. the bulgarians are mix with the proto bulgarian steppe nomads and slavic tribes that become their subjects, and becouse their were few, starting to married eachother and in the end become a state of slavic language and culture with the name of the bulgars and the organisation of a steppe kingdom. its very odd that you dont hear the slavic people again, you not read byzantine historians for the slavs?
you say never hear for the slavs and their language, but what the name yougo-slavia mean? did not mean the union of slavs?
Slavic peoples are classified into East Slavic (including Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians), West Slavic (including Poles, Czechs and Slovaks) and South Slavic (including Bulgarians, Serbs, Croats, Macedonians, Slovenes, Bosniaks and Montenegrins) first the slavic people were recorded by Procopius in 6th AD make a research on the net about history and linguistic
The greeks are afraid of an new kosovo thats why they are bullshitting all over the world look at the whole greek soccer team for an example they all look like al qaida haha ancient greeks my ass
"Macedonians do exist! Our community is maintained through hundreds of associations, churches, Macedonian language classes, youth and senior groups, etc. Today, Macedonians enjoy full national rights in the Republic of Macedonia, Yugoslavia. However, Macedonians are denied their rights in Greece, Bulgaria and Albania."
FAKE greeks - go and work to pay your creators !!!!!! you still have LOANS to the your creators UK and Lord Bayron , ofcours to the German King OTHO who bring blu and withe coulors to your fake flag ( as a Bavarian caoulors ) ...
"..The Albanian population occupies MOST of ancient Greece. Albanians now occupy all Attica and Megaris, Boetia and Locris. They occupy the whole of Corinthia and Argolis, extending themselves into the northern part of Ardadia and eastern Archaia
Dont call them greeks they are Albanians sorry they become pure hellenes hahahahahahah
"...The archeological researches performed in the last fifty years on the territory of the USSR and the countries of the South and West Slavs have undeniably proved that nat only has the whole territory inhabited by Slav ppeople today HAVE ALWAYS BEEN their ancient fatherland, but they also owned the territory taken by their enemies in the past .... "
(Prof Valentin Ditjakin, Sovjetska nauka o poreklu Slovena... , pog 703 )
Post Carthaginem vinci neminem puduit. Statim Africam secutae sunt gentes, Macedonia, Graecia, Syria ceteraque omnia quodam quasi aestu et torrente fortunae, 2 sed primi omnium Macedones, adfectator quondam imperii populus. Itaque quamvis tum Philippus regno praesideret, Romani tamen dimicare sibi cum rege Alexandro videbantur. 3 Macedonicum bellum nomine amplius quam spectatione gentis fuit.
The modern fake greeks use that the modern Macedonians are with slavic origin --
hmmmm the ancient bizantyne writers wrotte that the slavic people ocupated all Tessaly , Epirus and Pelopones , they changad the name Peloponesus to MOREA ,
hmmm were are those slavic people today or thay become PURE HELLENES as you call TURKS as pure hellenes or Albanians as pure Hellenes !!!
Modern greece has no rigth to use the name of the hellenes we need proof whay they call themselves " greeks"
The modern greece was form by politicl reasons , my questions to the fake greeks is " do you retorn the LOAN boarning fron UK 1823 , or you pay know with boarnin mony by EU " hahahahahah
The modern greece is onli a fake creation !
The population in modern greece are ; ALBANIANS , TURKS , VLACHIANS , BULGARS, MACEDONIANS, JEWS, SERBS , RUSSIANS, ARMENIANS, ARABS,
"The Athenian women are neither beautiful nor well made;It is becose Athens,twenty-five years ago,was only an Albanian village.The Albanians formed,and still form,almoost the whole of the population of Attica;and within three leagues of the capital,villages are to be found where Greek is hardly understood.Athens has been rapidly pepled with men of all kinds and nations;that explains the ugliness of the Athenian type.
The modern greek population are not even real hellenes , they are only a mexed busterds who belive in their pure hellenic heritage. The population in Aegian part of Macedonia are aASIATC refuge who live in Macedonia only after 1913 !!!!!
...then Alexander , turning to Xenodochus of Cardia and Artemius of Colophon and said :" Do not the Greeks appear to you to walk about among MACEDONIAS like demi gods among wild beasts ?" ....
"While Demosthenes was still in exile, Alexander died in Babylon, and the HELLAS STATES combined yet again to form a league against MACEDON. Demosthenes attached himself to the Athenian convoys, and threw all his energies into helping them incite the various states TO ATTACK the MACEDONIANS and drive them OUT of HELLAS." [p.212]
united geographical region of macedonia under greece!!!! soon very soon. Boycott fyrom! no more greek businesess in fyrom... then we will see your true balls if any are left after your unemployment rate of 35% rises to 70%
IN THE LATER YEARS THEY EVEN TURNED ON ALBANIANS, USING THE GREEK FUCKED UP CHURCH THEY POISON AND FORCED THE ALBANIAN TO CALL THEMSELF GREEK. THEY EVEN BURNED DOWN THE MARKO BOTCARIS HOUSE, TO WIPE OFF THE ALBANIAN INVOLVEMENT.
LOOK GUYS CHECK THE PICTURES OF THE FIRST GREEK PARLAMENT, THE FIRST PRESIDENT, THE DEPUTY, THE PRIME MINISTER. AND E,T.C THEY ARE ALL ALBANIANS
HOW THE FUCK CAN THIS ARABS CALL THEMSELF GREEKS. IT WAS THE ALBANIANS LIVING IN GREECE
THAT WON INDIPENDENCE, AND THESE EASTERN CHRISTANS ARABS WERE BROUGHT TO GREECE BY
TURKEY IN THE POPULATION EXCHANGE AFTER 1830. IN FACT ALL SO CALLED GREEK HEROES OF INDIPENDENCE ABOUT 100 OF THEM WERE ALBANIANS, AND MOST OF THEM COULDN'T EVEN SPEAK GREEK. THATS WHY MARKO BOTCARI WROTE THE ALBANIAN-GREEK DICTIONARY. AND WHEN THESE ARABS CAME TO GREECE THEY STARTED CALLING THEMSELF GREEKS.
@CAKIMacedonian oh you are the descentants of the ancient macedonians? nice , try to read the ancient scripts and relics from ancient macedonia, oh i forget you can't! you speak slavic! and you never ask your self why you can't read the scripts of your suposed uncestors? why you dont make your own research of truth instead to believe what tell you? you people come come just the 7th century AD! and you are descentants of a people who live for centuries here before your real ancestors arrive!
@fyromongol Of course there is a Macedonian language, recognized the world over & it is not Greek you Dickhead, who gives a fuck about Nimitz, the Macedonian language was spoken before that tool was even born !
@fyromongol Don't be so ignorant, we both know that the part of Macedonia Greece occupies has been Greek for only 99 years now - since 1912 when Greece invaded with their Serbian and Bulgarian buddies - never before that you clown !
The slavs of Fyrom are still trying to prove that Alexander was not Greek..Guess what..ain't gonna happen lolovski. Ancient Macedonia = Greek kingdom : FACT! Accepted by the whole world! Just search ancient Macedonia in wiki for example AND NOT IN YOUR PROPAGANDISTIC SITES!..you will get the answer..The slavs of Fyrom are pathetic
@smolarec1 U stupid ass...Makedonians are not those that call their country as "republic of makedonia"...these are vardaskians...Makedonia was a greek city state...So was Sparta or Athens....So spartans and athenians are also scisofrenic for being athenians,or spartans and greeks at the same time?What kind of stupid low iqed dick u are?U dont deserve to live...stupid ass...go to educate urself before making a comment...
@BestRemixesOnlyVol2 ok. i was wrong u are Hellenic, Greek and Macedonians.. that means u are tripple scisofrenic!!! the Macedonia like monarchy and the teritory of Greece only with a city states that's the same thing for sure.. two different things only in favour of greek scisofrenia! and about education.. just take and read some historical scool book of some neutral land for example Switzerland.. there u can find a tittle ''Macedonians, these ones from nord'' and u can clearly see everythin
@smolarec1 Firstly Hellenic and greek means the same thing...Secondly i have no fucking idea what you just said...I dont make any sense...Perhaps you should also learn english apart from history...And i dont give a flying fuck about the Swiss history books that were written 50 years ago...I can read the Hellenic ones that are 2000+ years old...
@BestRemixesOnlyVol2 firstly hellenic and greek means the same shit! and the macedonia is some tottaly different thing.. and i'm saying that u are considering the arguments that going in favour of greece and finaly u can continue to read only the greek books and don't ever open ure mind! just stay a selfish, ignorant idiot!
@smolarec1 Makedonia was a greek city state fucking dick.And be open minded in MY fucking history?Why?There are no arguements...Makedonia was considered to be greek since the beginning...Am i selfish for protecting MY history?What kind of a stupid ass retard are you?STFU and never speak again if you say that kind of bullshit...And that greek books were written by the first historians ever 2000 years ago...Not by a fucking Swiss dick 50 years ago...Go commit a suicide
@BestRemixesOnlyVol2 no argue.. even today's we are surounded with lies, lies and lies. there's no many truths in human history. even the scandinavian people arguing who is a bigger Viking from the other one etc. everybody is arguing with own neighbour.. and finaly who cares about history? in germany u can find a territory with a name Luxembourg and what then? we can argue forever with no efect. let just face to the future couse no one can choose he's parents and neighbours u know..
@smolarec1 you are slavs and want to be named macedonians. we are greeks and are macedonians thats the difference. greek is a culture, a language... a race...and so on. slav is just a language but not a culture. thats why you are copycats... without macedonia you are nothing. you arent macedonians you are slavs that poured in the region after the greeks. you are nothing!
Barnaby Phillips is right about selective memory of nationalists. In his report he seems to have forgotten to mention his homeland of the UK used to claim there was no such things as "ethnic Macedonian". Too bad GB nationalists have become anti-Greeks these last few years. We miss you Lord Byron.
What BULLSHIT. The name change doesn't IRK Greeks, because most of us DON'T care. I like Macedonians and I have many Macedonian friends. A few dumbass Greek politicians and Greek ultranationalists make all of us sane Greeks look bad. Greeks as a whole aren't history-nerds or ultranationals who go around making annoying "corrections" to every countries history and identity.
Speak for yourself. The vast majority of Greeks DO care. No ethnic Greek would call FYROM "Macedonian". Only a Greek citizen who does not consider his ancestors ancient Greeks would do that (almost to a man far leftists sorts or some minority...the same sorts that betrayed to Greece to the communists in 1944-48 that promoted these "macedonian" name gibberish) FYROM are nationalist are ethnic Bulgarians who hide their true history from themselves.
@GemistusPletho You are right, and the majority of Greeks are leftists (please turn on Greek news) this I am right. Greece is Greece, Macedonia is Macedonia.
Theres no macedonian race...the ancient macedonians died in 6.century ..long enough before slavs in 8.century entered balkans.
So to all you brainwashed tito-FANS, im not sorry to tell you this: YOU ARE SLAVS haha.
Greek supermarkets in skopja and even mobil phone company all greek.
And your names and DNA is bulgarian ( slavic)...maybe some gypsy DNA yea defenetely :D
POOR "COUNTRY"
Gerechtable 1 week ago
LOL i laught so much at these poor busters they arent even greek and claim that they are just "Macedonians"
look at Macedonian history the name is greek they had greek religion they speaked greek so they where greek so yes ur macedonia u call it its ours in other words we own you ! XD !
Ps dont reply cause it will be probably more so called "Makedonia" crying and whining
grimslider 6 months ago
they are bulgarian mecedonia is greek ya monkeys
tisbales 6 months ago
THERE ARE TWO HISTORICANS ONE OF THEM IS STILL ALIVE WHO ARE BORN IN PELLA THE VILLAGE NEXT TO PELLA THTS PALATICA WHAT ON MACEDONIAN MEANS THE CASTLE GREEKS DONT HAVE EXPLANATION ABOUT THAT NAME
ALEXANDER WAS MACEDONIAN AND HE WAS FIGHTING AGAINST THE UNITED GREEKS GREEEEEEEECE
DimitarTheMacedon 6 months ago
WHY IN 1893 WHEN THE MACEDONIANS IN THESSALONIKI (SOLUN) WERE MAJORITY WAS FORM THE VMORO OR IMRO WHAT IS THE REVOLUTIONARY ORGANIZATION OF THE MACEDONIANS
WHY GOCE DELCEV THE BIGGEST REVOLUTION LEADER OF IMRO WAS BORN IN KILKIS greek KUKUSH macedonian IN TODAY GREEK PROVINCE OF MACEDONIA
DimitarTheMacedon 6 months ago
THESSALONIKI IS MACEDONIAN ITS NAME IS SOLUN. IN SOLUN IN TURKISH TIME AND IN ALL GREEK PROVINCE OF MACEDONIA WITCH IS ASSIMILATED JUST LIKE THE JEWS AND TURKS WERE PUNISHED WITH GETTING OUT FROM GREECE FROM THE GREEKS THE SAME WAS WITH THE MACEDONIANS IN SAME TIME
DimitarTheMacedon 6 months ago
So as i said greeks are afraid of us that's all! The truth hurts them that's why the are bullshing all the time. Alexander was Macedonian as his father was, 50% of the Greece is Macedonian part - Aegean Macedonia, so know what the fuck greeks are talking about??? Who the fuck are they??? Macedonians maybe??? Yes, yes they are macedonians, greeks does not exist!!! FORMER MACEDONIAN REPUBLIC OF "GREECE"!!! LONG LIVE MACEDONIA!!! PROUD TO BE THE 2500 YEARS OLD NATION, PROUD TO BE MACEDONIAN!!!
MrMakedon3c 7 months ago
Greece has part of the Real-United Macedonia, The Aegean Macedonia, so that's why they do not support the name Republic of Macedonia, alos Pela is located in Aegean Macedonia(United Macedonia). So as we can see greeks are afraid of supporting the name Republic of Macedonia cuz one day we will bring back our Aegean Macedonia! Whole World knows about Alexander III Macedonian known as Great, that he was Macedonian and was killing greeks, also about the our symbol the Vergina Sun!
MrMakedon3c 7 months ago
in DANIEL CHAPTER 8 a
alexander the great was called greek king
....... REWRITING HISTORY IS A HOBBY OF FAKE FYROM and her ALLIES
marioorange 7 months ago
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macedonianimation 8 months ago
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KARAGATSIS a greek writer : " IT WAS AN ILLUSION TO THINK THAT THE ANCIENT MACEDONIANS WERE GREEKS"
CAKIMacedonian 8 months ago
These seven sons were begotten on a PHOENICIAN woman, and the maidens on an ETHIOPIAN women.
Wasn't you were Danaans(later Achaenans)???Wasn't you came from Africa?
As we can see,YES,you have an african origin!
CAKIMacedonian 8 months ago
you have understand all this wrong! if you read carefully, what egyptians say to Herodot its that life and humankind was created in Egypt. and after they set and inhabitant all the earth. so the egyptians claim that all life has created there, so if you beileve that then you are too an african origin!
petros311 8 months ago
Livius history of Rome book XLV paragraph XXIX (Aimilius Paulus) ''sat on his official seat, his anouncements was translated to Hellenic and repeated by praetor Gnaeus Octavius''
Kiro Gligorov 26/2/1992 '' We are Slavs and came on the region on the 6th century AD. We are not descentands of the ancient Macedonians''
Kiro Gligorov Toronto star 15/3/1992 We are not Macedonians but Slavs!. we have no relation with Alexander the greek and his Macedonia, our ancestrors come here on the 5th and 6th AD.
petros311 8 months ago
Didorus siculus record that the Egyptians claim that ''life was created in Egypt long time ago and then spread to all earth'' Diodorus siculus book 1, 10
''Osiris sons was Anoubios and Macedon whom their bravery was known. Anoubios wore leather of dog in his armor and Macedon Wolf. Osiris was pass from all world and came to Hellespond and thrace, there he killed the thracian lykourgos and left the olg maron in charge of the ceeds and plant he bring from his country. he left Macedon in the land
petros311 8 months ago
that was called macedonia from his name, and left Triptolemos in charge of the plants and ceeds in Attica (Athens region) diodorus Siculus book 1, 18-20
so if we beleive the egyptians for the creation of humankind, Osiris sons Anoubios, and macedon and Triptolemos came from Egypt in the colonitasion process. so if the Hellenes of Triptolemos were African origin so and his son Macedon and the land he named by his name macedonia!
petros311 8 months ago
@petros311When you people came in the Balkanian peninsula,there were already settled people,who are the Macedonian ancestors....The Pelazgians!
IT'S A FACT,THAT THE MODERN GREEKS ORIGINATED FROM AFRICA!
CAKIMacedonian 8 months ago
i give you all the archaelogical fact that macedonians were greeks and the only thing you can say its the reference of a dna test manufactured to convice the majorety of the international archaelogists, who they undoutebly say macedonians were greek? even if the greeks came form africa (they did not i would answer you to that also)that did not change the archaelogic evidence, undenible that the macedonians were Hellenes! script, coins, tombs, ancient writters, say macedonians were hellenes!
petros311 8 months ago
about Pelasgians. ''Pelasgos was the son of ZEUS and Niobis native grandfather of Thessalos, Progenitor of the Palasgians'' (Apollodoros Mythology II, 2. 3)
Graekos son of Thessalos and great grandson of Pelasgos
Graios Grekos has the meaning of ''old autochthonus'' Hellas was also called Graia, Gaia=Earth (Graia old woman) Hellin son of Deucalion from his name derives the name Hellas ''previusly called Pelasgia'( Herodotus B 56) so the Pelasgoi was the name of Hellenes befor the cataclysm
petros311 8 months ago
of Deucalion, and after the the cataclysm of deucalion the Pelasgians seperate in groups replacing the name Pelasgoi with the names of the leaders they folow (Herodotus Z 94-95) Doros, Aiolos, Ionas, Achaios, thus creating the greek tribes who are known in the historic times. so the Pelasgians were the name of Greeks befor the cataclysm of Deucalion. i was not expect to stop beleiving that you are descendant of the ancient macedonians, but i was hope to get you puzzled so you can search alone
petros311 8 months ago
about the ''research of Antonio Arnaiz-Villena this is what say world-leading genetiseds
Neil risch-Stanford university
Alberto Piazza-Univ. of Torino
L.L. Cavali-Stanford.
''Even a cursory look at the papers diagrams and trees, immediately indicates that the authors make some extraordinary claims. They used a single genetic marker HLA DRB1, for their analysis to constract a genealogical tree and map of 28 populations from Europe, the Middle East, Africa and Japan. Using results of the .....
petros311 8 months ago
...Analysis of a single marker particularly one likely to have undergone selection for the purpose of reconstructing genealogies is unrelible and unacceptable practise in population genetics''
what they say? they say it was fabricated to give the results the authors wanted! to presend the greeks as sub-saharan people and the FYROMians as the true descendants of Alexander the great! whats its the truth about the Hellenes? researches of the universities of Stanford & Pavia italy proved that .....
petros311 8 months ago
the Hellenic DNA its 99.5% white. this global scientific research proved that the hellenic DNA is not influenced by Slavs, Turks or Blacks. the results reveal greek distance from Africans and closely related to basques and other Europeans, for more information watch the video on youtube Greek DNA is the same. since the Arcaelogical evidence of FYROM created history can't convice the international shcolars, created new ''fact'' that we are Africans! you can only see greeks and see we are white
petros311 8 months ago
you can only see the greeks today and the ancient statues and see the resemblens, even if greeks were from africa or even from another planet! this doesnt change the FACT that Macedonians were Hellenes, all the archaelogic evidence its clear, coins, language, tombs, ancient writters all say the same. were its your ''macedonian'' language in ancient relics and scripts? even if you proof that greeks were Aliens! that dont automatically make you descendants of macedonians, that must understand
petros311 8 months ago
@petros311 Sorry man,the word MACEDONIAN,described TRIBE BELONGING at the ancient time,so they could't be hellenes,because that word described culture,not the TRIBE BELONGING!
CAKIMacedonian 8 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian the ancient archaelogic evidence and the ancient writters are clearly state this culture was hellenic culture.
petros311 8 months ago
@petros311 We never said that Macedonians didn't accept many things of it.....But Macedonians were Macedonians..Hellenes were not exist...So i don't know on which base you are calling Macedonians hellenes,when hellenes were never exist....MACEDONIANS WERE TRIBE,and each tribe is independent!
CAKIMacedonian 8 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian i know that every one must be proud for his country and heritage, but now you being ridiculus saying we never exist! so the Romans speak and writte for a nation that did not exist? all that men of wisdom from ancient Hellas did not exist? a little seriusness would not hurt, when you end up in such conclusions in the efort to convince other people, no one would take you seriusly
petros311 8 months ago
@petros311 So,you want to say that Hellada was a land at the ancient times,and that Heleenes were tribe???
What was ANCIENT HELLADA man???
If Macedonia was a kingdom,athena city-state,theba city-state,sparta kingdom.....e.t.c than WHAT WAS HELLADA AT THAT TIME???
CAKIMacedonian 8 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian and today there is north Korea and south Korea, 2 countries with diferent regimes, but one nation the Koreans, there is China and Taiwan, 2 countries with diferent regime but one nation Chinese! the fact that there were many states or kingdoms do not change that they were one nation. in the 4 panhellinic games dedicated to ancient gods they were alowed greeks from wholle Hellada but not others. the games was the Olymbic in honor Dias-Zeus, Pythia in honor of Apollon
petros311 8 months ago
@petros311 What was ANCIENT HELLADA man???
If Macedonia was a kingdom,athena city-state,theba city-state,sparta kingdom.....e.t.c than WHAT WAS HELLADA AT THAT TIME???
CAKIMacedonian 8 months ago
@petros311 What was ANCIENT HELLADA man???
If Macedonia was a kingdom,athena city-state,theba city-state,sparta kingdom.....e.t.c than WHAT WAS HELLADA AT THAT TIME???
CAKIMacedonian 8 months ago
@petros311 Do you trying to avoid my question?
What was ANCIENT HELLADA man???
If Macedonia was a kingdom,athena city-state,theba city-state,sparta kingdom.....e.t.c than WHAT WAS HELLADA AT THAT TIME???
CAKIMacedonian 8 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian Nemea in honor again Dias-ZEUS and Korinthia in Honor of Poseidon, it was also female games the Heraia in Honor of Hera. also was the Amphyctionies , originally religion common witch includes all Hellenic areas and populations including Macedonia, witch later also gain political importance too. in those were not accepted population who did not being Hellenes. Also in today times, Cyprus its hellenic population, except the turkishcypriots, but they not union with Hellas becouse
petros311 8 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian becouse the English did not permitted them, becouse they wanted to stil have the island under their spaire of influence and the bases there, backing up with the USA in this matter. but Greekcypriots speak Hellenic, have hellenic names, they are Hellenes, there is not such thing as cypriot nation. in your way of thinking cypriots are a diferent tribe with independant state and thus diferent nation
petros311 8 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian what was ellada? it was all those states you refer, all those was part of ellada, what you dont understand? and the Kurds dont have their own state, that makes them Turks? and the Palestinians dont have their own state, that makes them Israelies? the reason that all those states exist, dont mean that they weren't one nation. just most of hellenes wanted to have their small states , so they desided their own, rather a large state that you can't influence it, and become an empire
petros311 8 months ago
@petros311 Ok..all those states were Ellada....And Ellada was what??? Land,Federation,Kingdom,Culture????On what all those states BELONG...what was that where they belonged????
As i know they were INDEPENDENT CITY-STATES....how coul they belong to Elada????
So,WHAT WAS ELLADA???
CAKIMacedonian 8 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian Ellada was a nation of indepent states, who share common Gods, common language, common Ethos. your arguments are fault becouse you try to make connections with the ancient macedonians, by trying to break the connections of greeks to them, thus that make you automatically macedonias! the real argument you should search is what you have common with the ancient macedonians that make you beleive that you are descendantds of the macedonians? were its your archaelogic evidence?
petros311 8 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian were its the proof that they speak not greek but your ''macedonian'' language? that it should be your eforts. but becouse the evidence showing the opposite from what you want, you try to disconect macedonia from greece, saying all indepentant states, so if they are independant macedonian kingdom its not greek, if not greek then its ''macedonian'' an we are descendands of them! whats your proof that you are not slavs but macedonians? simply you dont have! even your language its
petros311 8 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian its ''yelling'' that its slavic language and not ''macedonian'' do you beleive that ancients macedonians speaking slavic? do you think alexander the great saying ''so pravish ti? arnu! '' sorry for my bad orthography or my wrong letters, since i dont know slavic! were its your ancient scripts of ''macedonian'' language? its this you must research, evidence that you are the same people or not! and not trying to convice g''reeks are african so we are the macedonians''
petros311 8 months ago
@petros311
1.I am waiting your answer???WHAT WAS ELADA,(the thing where all those city states belonged)
2.Who speak or ever spoke slavic??? Give me one country in the world,where the slavic language is or ever was official language?????
CAKIMacedonian 8 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian
22/1/1999 ambassador Lyubica Atsefska ''We dont demand to be recognised as descendants of Alexander the Great... We are Slavs and we speak Slavic language''
24/2/1999 Fyrom ambassador Yordan Veselinov, ''citizen'' newpaper ottava canada
''we dont related with the north Greeks, who they have leaders like Philip and gGeat Alexander. We are Slavs and our language its related with the Bulgarian. There is some confussion about my country identity'' what more proof you want?
petros311 8 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian and i was make you all those questions about the archaelogic and ancient writters evidence and you did not answer me yet!
i am waiting your answer with evidence about you are same people with the macedonians the thing that the slavic countries dont have ''oficial'' slavic language, its becouse to the cource of times every country develope their own dialect serbian, kroatian, bosnian, slovenian etc. your language its slavic, your country oficials was admited what more you want?
petros311 8 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian why you dont check the site macedonia-evidence org/obama letter
and see what more than 300 international scholars of ancient antiquity say about the name issue and what documentations they bring. the obama is in 4 languages includung slavic-Fyromian. if you dont beleive the greek scholars i am guessing you dont have problem beleive the international. down of the letter there is the signatures who are increasing.
petros311 8 months ago
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@petros311 So,you want to say that Hellada was a land at the ancient times,and that Heleenes were tribe???
What was ANCIENT HELLADA man???
If Macedonia was a kingdom,athena city-state,theba city-state,sparta kingdom.....e.t.c than WHAT WAS HELLADA AT THAT TIME???
CAKIMacedonian 8 months ago
the ancient macedonians were Hellenes and i would prove to you that.
1) they speak Hellenic , from all macedonia and to afganistan -india the only language from alexandros campaign its only Hellenic! nothic was found in other language, you say macedonians were not greek, were is your language? nothing no coin no tomb script , no relic only hellenic language, Alexandros use the Hellenic language as ''lingua fraca'' of his kingdom? why? why he dont use his ''macedonian'' if it was existed? answer
petros311 8 months ago
that, your ''language'' did not have prof before the 6th century AD nothing written!
2) all ancient macedonians have only greek names, Alexandros, Philippos, Ptolemaios, Aristotelis, their names have meanings in Hellenic language but not in your language! answer why they did have Hellenic names?
3) they worshiped the same Hellenic Gods! they did not worshiped eny foreghiner Gods of the Sloveni-Veneti only Hellenic Gods!
4) i would give you ancient authors proves, for the hellenic of macedonians
petros311 8 months ago
Herodotus historiai A, 56 ''the Macedonians are Dorians who were driven out from Estiaiotis in Thessaly and inhabitant later mountain Pindos''
Herodotus Historiai H 43 ''Lacaedemonians, and Korinthians.... they are Dorian and Macedonian nations''
Herodotus 5.22 ''It hapent to know taht the ancestors of Alexandros I is Hellenes''
Appianus the macedonian 2) '' the Macedonians are boasting that their are decentands from the Argives''
the same writte and Plutarch ethika (morale) 2. 342
petros311 8 months ago
Thukydides II 99 and V 80. ''Alexandros I his father Perdikkas and the ancestors of them, were ancient Timenidae dynasty from Argos''
Strabo Geographica Z 9, B108, 128, 130. Θ-403 ''and macedonia is Hellas''
Herodotus Historiai E22 ''Alexandros I, prove that he is Argive, and thus Hellenas'' (when he compete to the 71st Olymbiadae
Herodotus Historiai E 20 (Alexandros I saying to persian ambassadors) '' Go and tell that a man Hellenas, the successor of the macedonian throne, welcome you''
petros311 8 months ago
Herodotus Θ 45, (Alexandros I) ''and i am Hellenas from the ancient race, and i dont want to see Hellas from free to become enslaved''
Arrianos Alexander anabasis B 14 Alexandros the great ''I am king of Hellenes''
Arrianos Alexander anabasis A 16.7 ''Alexandros son of Philippos and the Hellenes, except the Lacaedemonians, from the barbarians who inhabitant in Asia'')
petros311 8 months ago
Arrianos Alexander anabasis A 16.6 (Alexandros the great speaking to Hellenic merceneries of the persians) ''against the common Hellenic glory, despite being Hellenes, you fight against Hellas for the sake of barbarians''
plutarch, ''Alexandros the great choose 30.000 Persian boys, he ordered to learn Hellenic language and macedonian weapons''
Titus livius history of Rome book XXX, paragraph XXIX
''Aitolians and Akarnanians and Macedonians, men of the same language''
petros311 8 months ago
22/1/1999 ambassador Lyubica Atsefska ''We dont demand to be recognised as descendants of Alexander the Great... We are Slavs and we speak Slavic language''
24/2/1999 Fyrom ambassador Yordan Veselinov, ''citizen'' newpaper ottava canada
''we dont related with the north Greeks, who they have leaders like Philip and gGeat Alexander. We are Slavs and our language its related with the Bulgarian. There is some confussion about my country identity''
petros311 8 months ago
15/10/2008 greek TV ET-3 ex minister of internal and Foreign, Lyubomomir Friskovskie, ''macedonians are slavs and not Macedonias, who are trying to avoid the absorbance from Bulgaria''
the evidence its there! you are not macedonians, you are slavs who try to stay indepentant. only someone who dont want to see the truth its denied! there is also proofs by international scholars on the site Macedonia-evidence org. but the last 20years are so much propaganda and nothing would change in FYROM
petros311 8 months ago
.....First they picket out Hypermnestra as the eldest to be the wife of Lynceus, and Gorgophone to be a wife of Proteus; for Lynceus and Proteus had been borne to Egyprus by a women of royal blood, Argiphia; but of the rest Busiris, Eceladus,Lycus, and Daiphron obtained by lot the daughters
that had been borne to DANAUS by EUROPE, to wit, Automate, Amymone, Agave, and Scaea. These daughters were borne to DANAUS by a queen, Butr Gorgophone and Hypermnestra were born to him by Elephantis
CAKIMacedonian 8 months ago
And touched at Rhodes he set up the image of LINDIAN ATHENA. Thence he come to Argos and the reining king Gelanor surrendered the kingdom to him ;and having made himself master of the country he named the inhabitants DANAI after himself . But the country being waterless..... But the sons of Egyptus come to Argos, and exhornted Danaus to lay aside his enmity , and begged to marry his daughters
CAKIMacedonian 8 months ago
but Egyptus subjugated the country of the Melampods and named it Egypt after himself. Both had children by many wives. .... DANAUS feared the sons of Egyptus , and by advice of Athena he built a ship ,being the first to do so , and having put his daughters on board he fled.
CAKIMacedonian 8 months ago
CAKIBulgaronian
Comments with Bulgarian hysteria!!!
MAKEDONIA EVER HELLENIC not BULGARIAN-NOT SLAVIC!!!
FYROM your end in near!!!
KilkisGirlMACEDONIA 8 months ago
WHY DO THESE ANGLOS AND GREEKS FORTGET
THAT MACEDONIAN AS A COUNTRY WAS DEVIDED IN 1913 , THERE WAS NO VARDAR , AGEAN OR PIRIN BEFORE IT WAS DIVIDED !!
GREECE SHOULD STOP CRAPPING ON THAT MACEDONIANS ARE GREEK WHEN IN ACTUAL FACT IT IS THE MACEDONIANS WHOM CONQUERED THESE GREEKS THERFORE GREECE HAS NO RIGHT TO SAY WE MACEDONIANS ARE GREEK .
IF THEY WANT THEY CAN SAY THAT ATHENIANS ARE PART MACEDONIAN HISTORY AS THEY WERE RULED BY THE MACEDONIAN KING PHILLIP II, NOTE ONLY ATHENIANS !
JANDAR69 8 months ago
before 1913 southern(aegian) macedonia,with it,s ancient capital pella was never part of greece ....macedonia only macedonian .....
robo77771 8 months ago 9
@robo77771 it wassent slavic it was greek kingdom stupid skopia fuck your propaganda your skopians
tisbales 6 months ago
i am really sorry for those people who killed...but i have to say that it's rediculus and immoral the USE OF THEIR DEATH FROM ALJAZEERA to turn the crowd in ''one'' side while it accuse Greeks and made them look like ''THE TORMENTORS OF THIS SMALL NATION WHO FIGHTS TO FIND IT'S IDENTITY'' and ''WE FORGET OUR PAST WHEN IT'S INCONVENIENT! YES ALJAZEERA THAT WAS VERY EQUAL AND OBJECTIVE!
hiliakouras 8 months ago
your skopians deal with it macedonia is greek and will remain greek 4500 years of history greek history your monkey asses got there in the 7th century scumbags
tisbales 8 months ago
your skopians deal with it macedonia is greek and will remain greek
tisbales 8 months ago
My grandfather is Macedonian from Kavadarci-central Macedonia and also 9 generations before him that i know of in my family tree.We are culturaly one of the richest nations in the world.The Macedonians kept their identity and never backed down.Greeks deny something that is a fact,My gran grand father was born in 1897 and he never said that he was something diferent than macedonian,so who brainwashed him??The turks??You arguments are just pathetic and go deal with your bancroped country
jassumcelik 9 months ago
Macedonia has teritorial pretensions towards Greece?? Are you mad?? We have a fucking 15 000 army for christ sake. JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GIVE US WHAT IS RIGHTFULLY OURS YOU STUPID BANCROPED NIGGERS
jassumcelik 9 months ago
Like kesha sings we are who we are and we are macedonians proven from many institutes all over the world so dont call us furom call us Macedonia and its proven that the greeks haha it is true that they are more slavs than the macedonians haha and this is not bullshit propagamda from me and science from other countries has no room for propaganda
dennood 9 months ago
@dennood since the science of other countries dont have propaganda and proven the macedonian were macedonians, why you dont read the obama letter from 200 international scholars of roman-greek antiquity (now more than 332 signatures) go to macedonia evidence org for the letter to Obama concerning macedonia
petros311 8 months ago
@petros31 You have wrong information,i speak and write on Macedonian,there is not such a thing as slavic language nowhere in the world,i really don't know from where you got that information!
And second,we are using many ancient Macedonian words,from Homer's Illiad,from the time of Alexander and so on!
KOSMOS,ISTORIA,ATT,KRATER....all ancient Macedonian words used even today!
CAKIMacedonian 8 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian the words you describe its undoutebly greek, and homer was greek, ancient macedonians was greek tribe, relative to the spartans as were both Dorian descentands who came to peloponnese as allies for the deposed sons of Heracles, alexander the great the argead dynast origins from argos and gos back to the heracles. macedonians speak a greek dialect, thats why when alexander qonquer the east, the language that was spread and become common was the greek
petros311 8 months ago
@petros311 Could you pls describe me what is means a ''greek'' tribe???
CAKIMacedonian 8 months ago
the ancient greeks were descendance of 4 major groups or tribes, the Dorians witch includes spartans, macedonians, messenians, cretans etc, the Ionians witch includes athenians, and the cities on ionia in asia minor, miletus, efesos, smyrne and islands of aegean etc, Achaeans witch includes argos, arcadia, cyprus etc, the Aeolians witch includes many islands of the aegean sea. it was 4 general groups of dialects witch form later the koine greek, common language witch its today greek language
petros311 8 months ago
@petros311 So,according you,as i understand,there was a TRIBE called GREEKS at the ancient times???
Greeks were ancient tribe....???
I have heard about,all those mention,but never about greeks...Where did they live?
CAKIMacedonian 8 months ago
not excatly, those groups the Dorians, Achaeans, Ionians, Aeolians, were refering to them selfs like Hellenes (Greeks) Hellenes its the name that includes all the tribes, the ancient Greeks saying that was 2 brothers Pelasgos and Helllenas, Ellenas had 3 sons, Doros (founder of the Dorians) Achaios (founder of the Achaieans) and Xuthos, Xuthos had 2 sons Ionas (founder of the Ionians) and Aiolos (founder of the Aeolians) the descendants of those men was refering all as Hellenes, and speak greek
petros311 8 months ago
@petros311 Let me tell you about your origin now:".....But Belus remained in Egypt, reigned over the country, and married Anchinoe , douther of Nile, by whom he had twin sons, Egyptus and Danaus, but according to Euripides, he had also Cepheus and Phineus. DANAUS was settled by Belus in Lybia, and Egyptus in Arabia;
CAKIMacedonian 8 months ago
the name Hellenes include all greeks, the name Greeks was given to us by the Romans, from the greek tribe (Graikoi) that was inhabitant in Thessaly region, but that name did not corespond to all greeks. similar the asian countries call greece Younan from the Ionians becouse they inhabitant very early with colonies in the asia many many years before alexanders campaign. its the same thing as in europe some call germany germans, or allemagnie, but the name deutsch it includes all germans
petros311 8 months ago
@petros311 So,greeks as a tribe didn't exist,right???Neither Hellenes???
CAKIMacedonian 8 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian if the macedonians were speak some other language diferent than the greek, then the macedonians would make their language as the common of the empire and not greek, international scholars refer the time after the alexander death as hellenistic becouse the civilization that was spread to the east was greek since the macedonians was part of this civilization, other wise if they were not, they would spread their own diferent culture and not the greek.
petros311 8 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian there is not such thing as slavic language in the world? and what the serbian, croatian, slovenian, and other languages are? are not slavic? and what about the bulgarian? its slavic and your language its very similar to them, you can understand each other, and dont tell me that bulgarians are also macedonians
petros311 8 months ago
@petros311 They are exactly that....serbian,croatian,russian....THEY NEVER CALLED THEIR LANGUAGES SLAVIC...not even one language in the world has never been called like that!
CAKIMacedonian 8 months ago
no, its the first time i hear someone not recognise the slavic family of people. all those people you say, ither in pure, or with intermarriage with other people its slavic as the byzantium historians calle them, their language its very close related. when the serbian and croatians come in balcans the byzantines use them as merceneries and with the byzantine army they repell the Avars after the failed attempt of the seige of konstantinople at 626AD. they settle them as allie people to guard the
petros311 8 months ago
@petros311 First let me teach you who are the so called slavs-Venets(sloveni-veneti)!
Venets are ancient tribe,ancestors of the Macedonians,mention also by Herodot,who were domestic people, here on the Balkans!Venets descendats are:Paphlagonians,Bryges,Paeonians,Desarets,Linkestes....!
So,the Venets,later called Slavs(with same meaning),are Macedonian ancestors.....who have been called slavs only by the Byznatians!
CAKIMacedonian 8 months ago
herod do not mention slavic tribes, only the local of balcans, you just assuning that all those tribes was descendants of thos veneti you say. Bryges was thracians, the pahlagonians i am not sure if they were thracians or local of asia minor, Linkestes were region of ancient macedonians, paionians were the lokals of your country in ancient times and north of them the Dardanians about today kosovo. at the 6th century ad they were vanish as nations due to raids of galatians, goths and others
petros311 8 months ago
@petrosHerodot has mention them,and they are also,on every ancient map,with the name (V)ENETI!
Veneti(Venets),had roots from Pelazgians,and later they begin to travel to the east-Paphlagonians,Bryges...
to the north,in Macedonia,Paionians,Pelagonas,Orestes,Linkastaes,Desarets=Macedonian tribes!
And some of them went to the coast of the Adriatic sea!So,this people,SLO-VENETI,or SLOVENI(slavs)today,
are the same local people,an old ancient tribe,Venets!Saying slavs is same as saying Pelazgian!
CAKIMacedonian 8 months ago
the argument of only byazantines call them slavs its not logic, simple becouse the byzantines were the continuation of the roman empire, and if those peoples were descendants of the ancient people, they would not refered to them with new name, they say they come from north at those times in the balcan regions, the tribes Antes, serbians, kroatians, Dulevians, Moravians. you dont answer me why the yougo-slavia was named like this if the slavs were not existed
petros311 8 months ago
@petros311 Jugoslavia or Southslavia was the name of the federation,where the main ideology was to create one new nation southslavs....!With the time that has been proven as a very big mistake,because the nationalism and the difference of all Jugoslavian states,has been proven by the wars!
There people in Jugoslavia were not slavs but : serbs,croatians,macedonians,slovenes....!
That was the name of the federation,but the states have their own names already!
CAKIMacedonian 8 months ago
the territory from Avaric raids south of the danube. allthose people have common language, witch ofcourse change from the years, but they have the same base, you can understand the bulgarians, and bulgarian its very similar with the russian language, other slavic language had become more distict, like chech, slovacian. ofcourse in many of these people like russian was the mix of sweden vikings, slavic tribes of ucranian, and finnians and at some percentage of nomadic tribes that result to the
petros311 8 months ago
the modern russian nation, this hapent at the 8th century ad as byzantine historians right. the bulgarians are mix with the proto bulgarian steppe nomads and slavic tribes that become their subjects, and becouse their were few, starting to married eachother and in the end become a state of slavic language and culture with the name of the bulgars and the organisation of a steppe kingdom. its very odd that you dont hear the slavic people again, you not read byzantine historians for the slavs?
petros311 8 months ago
you say never hear for the slavs and their language, but what the name yougo-slavia mean? did not mean the union of slavs?
Slavic peoples are classified into East Slavic (including Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians), West Slavic (including Poles, Czechs and Slovaks) and South Slavic (including Bulgarians, Serbs, Croats, Macedonians, Slovenes, Bosniaks and Montenegrins) first the slavic people were recorded by Procopius in 6th AD make a research on the net about history and linguistic
petros311 8 months ago
@petros311 And,on the end,there is not even one state,nor ethnic group in the world called slavic-slavs???
Why?Give me one state where this ethnicity exist???(it's same to claim that we are indoeuropeans)!
CAKIMacedonian 8 months ago
How sad. They have to perpetuate a lie in order to ensure their stability as a new nation.
originalistas3000 9 months ago
The greeks are afraid of an new kosovo thats why they are bullshitting all over the world look at the whole greek soccer team for an example they all look like al qaida haha ancient greeks my ass
dennood 9 months ago
since 1992 they are macedonians? before they were slaves??
they were and ARE!
Gerechtable 9 months ago
@Gerechtable Since 1830 you are greeks..before that you were orthodox albanians!
CAKIMacedonian 9 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian
im talking about YOU SLAVIC PICS
omg hahah how stupid ? are u????
Gerechtable 9 months ago
"Macedonians do exist! Our community is maintained through hundreds of associations, churches, Macedonian language classes, youth and senior groups, etc. Today, Macedonians enjoy full national rights in the Republic of Macedonia, Yugoslavia. However, Macedonians are denied their rights in Greece, Bulgaria and Albania."
- The New York Times (Monday, July 17, 1989)
PeceFromHeraklea 10 months ago
No more comments for the fake greeks !
FAKE greeks - go and work to pay your creators !!!!!! you still have LOANS to the your creators UK and Lord Bayron , ofcours to the German King OTHO who bring blu and withe coulors to your fake flag ( as a Bavarian caoulors ) ...
ISTORICAR 10 months ago
@ISTORICAR and you have an unemployment rate of 35%... be thankful of greek businesses in skopje.
fyromongol 10 months ago
Greek national feeling was already quite strong at the beginning of the nineteenth
century .Even the ALBANIAN speaking Orthodox did not regard themselves only as a
Rum(members of the religious community or Orthodox Christian millet) BUT ALSO
AS REAL GREEKS. ( From Geopolitics to Global Politics, editor Jacques Levy, pages 174 )
To be greek means to be Orthodox christian ?????????? hahahaha
hahahaha haaaaaaaaaaaaaa
ISTORICAR 10 months ago
Tha qouestion is WHO are the "greeks" in "greece " becouse the modern greek population do not know about their REAL HERITAGE ,
they call the albanians as pure greeks / BIG problem / etc etc !!!
ISTORICAR 10 months ago
History of the Greek Revolution"
Volume 1 - 1861
George Finlay
"..The Albanian population occupies MOST of ancient Greece. Albanians now occupy all Attica and Megaris, Boetia and Locris. They occupy the whole of Corinthia and Argolis, extending themselves into the northern part of Ardadia and eastern Archaia
Dont call them greeks they are Albanians sorry they become pure hellenes hahahahahahah
ISTORICAR 10 months ago
"...The archeological researches performed in the last fifty years on the territory of the USSR and the countries of the South and West Slavs have undeniably proved that nat only has the whole territory inhabited by Slav ppeople today HAVE ALWAYS BEEN their ancient fatherland, but they also owned the territory taken by their enemies in the past .... "
(Prof Valentin Ditjakin, Sovjetska nauka o poreklu Slovena... , pog 703 )
ISTORICAR 10 months ago
Florus;
Post Carthaginem vinci neminem puduit. Statim Africam secutae sunt gentes, Macedonia, Graecia, Syria ceteraque omnia quodam quasi aestu et torrente fortunae, 2 sed primi omnium Macedones, adfectator quondam imperii populus. Itaque quamvis tum Philippus regno praesideret, Romani tamen dimicare sibi cum rege Alexandro videbantur. 3 Macedonicum bellum nomine amplius quam spectatione gentis fuit.
ISTORICAR 10 months ago
The modern fake greeks use that the modern Macedonians are with slavic origin --
hmmmm the ancient bizantyne writers wrotte that the slavic people ocupated all Tessaly , Epirus and Pelopones , they changad the name Peloponesus to MOREA ,
hmmm were are those slavic people today or thay become PURE HELLENES as you call TURKS as pure hellenes or Albanians as pure Hellenes !!!
Modern greece has no rigth to use the name of the hellenes we need proof whay they call themselves " greeks"
ISTORICAR 10 months ago
The modern greece was form by politicl reasons , my questions to the fake greeks is " do you retorn the LOAN boarning fron UK 1823 , or you pay know with boarnin mony by EU " hahahahahah
The modern greece is onli a fake creation !
The population in modern greece are ; ALBANIANS , TURKS , VLACHIANS , BULGARS, MACEDONIANS, JEWS, SERBS , RUSSIANS, ARMENIANS, ARABS,
etc etc etc dont call them for greeks hahahahaha
ISTORICAR 10 months ago
BOLIO MORTAI HELLENOI , PRES MOU SEMELIA MAKEDONIO ,
SUM MAKEDONES KAI ETHNOS MAKEDONES KAI GLOSSOS MAKEDONES !!!
( ancient macedonian )
VOLIO MORTOI GREKOI, PREZ MOOU ZEMELLA MAKEDONIA, SUM MAKEDONEC I ETNO I GLOSOVNOI MAKEDONEC ( old slavic )
VOLIM MRTVI GRCI, PREKU MOJA ZEMJA MAKEDONIJA , SUM MAKEDONEC ETNICKI I GLASOVNO ( modern Macedonian )
Modern "greeks" go and learn your REAL HERITAGE becouse you are not pure hellenes !!!!
AMIN
ISTORICAR 10 months ago
Edmont About
The Greeks Of Present Day
"The Athenian women are neither beautiful nor well made;It is becose Athens,twenty-five years ago,was only an Albanian village.The Albanians formed,and still form,almoost the whole of the population of Attica;and within three leagues of the capital,villages are to be found where Greek is hardly understood.Athens has been rapidly pepled with men of all kinds and nations;that explains the ugliness of the Athenian type.
ISTORICAR 10 months ago
The modern greek population are not even real hellenes , they are only a mexed busterds who belive in their pure hellenic heritage. The population in Aegian part of Macedonia are aASIATC refuge who live in Macedonia only after 1913 !!!!!
hahaha !!!!!!!!!!
ISTORICAR 10 months ago
Plutarch ; Alexander;
...then Alexander , turning to Xenodochus of Cardia and Artemius of Colophon and said :" Do not the Greeks appear to you to walk about among MACEDONIAS like demi gods among wild beasts ?" ....
AMIN !
ISTORICAR 10 months ago
Plutarch
The Age of Alexander
"While Demosthenes was still in exile, Alexander died in Babylon, and the HELLAS STATES combined yet again to form a league against MACEDON. Demosthenes attached himself to the Athenian convoys, and threw all his energies into helping them incite the various states TO ATTACK the MACEDONIANS and drive them OUT of HELLAS." [p.212]
Drive them OUT of HELLAS? ha ha ha ha ha
AMIN !
ISTORICAR 10 months ago
MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS
greeks u can be jealous
if we are young country u are 100 years older then us!
UNITED MACEDONIA
LokoMn 10 months ago
united geographical region of macedonia under greece!!!! soon very soon. Boycott fyrom! no more greek businesess in fyrom... then we will see your true balls if any are left after your unemployment rate of 35% rises to 70%
fyromongol 10 months ago
united geographical region of macedonia under greece!!!!
fyromongol 10 months ago
I'm Very Sorry Gent's for my bad English ,...
Marsh U Pichkuuuuu Materr ,..bre,..site vie ste grchishta -pederchishta ,krvta da vi se zatrue,...
Long Live Macedonija ::::::::::::::::::
thezacktheman 10 months ago
we will claim what once was ours we will walk on the streets of solun again the city that we built not you gayreeks
dennood 10 months ago
@dennood silly palin silly! how did you buld it? with what?
fyromongol 10 months ago
IN THE LATER YEARS THEY EVEN TURNED ON ALBANIANS, USING THE GREEK FUCKED UP CHURCH THEY POISON AND FORCED THE ALBANIAN TO CALL THEMSELF GREEK. THEY EVEN BURNED DOWN THE MARKO BOTCARIS HOUSE, TO WIPE OFF THE ALBANIAN INVOLVEMENT.
LOOK GUYS CHECK THE PICTURES OF THE FIRST GREEK PARLAMENT, THE FIRST PRESIDENT, THE DEPUTY, THE PRIME MINISTER. AND E,T.C THEY ARE ALL ALBANIANS
O BY THE WAY THEY LOOK AND ARE WHITE EUROPEAN.
MrLorenc26 9 months ago 4
No Iam not Slav, I am SAS, German, from Paeonija Kratovo(oldiest money in world), and I have blue KING Blood;):):)
sunfromGovrlevo 10 months ago
HOW THE FUCK CAN THIS ARABS CALL THEMSELF GREEKS. IT WAS THE ALBANIANS LIVING IN GREECE
THAT WON INDIPENDENCE, AND THESE EASTERN CHRISTANS ARABS WERE BROUGHT TO GREECE BY
TURKEY IN THE POPULATION EXCHANGE AFTER 1830. IN FACT ALL SO CALLED GREEK HEROES OF INDIPENDENCE ABOUT 100 OF THEM WERE ALBANIANS, AND MOST OF THEM COULDN'T EVEN SPEAK GREEK. THATS WHY MARKO BOTCARI WROTE THE ALBANIAN-GREEK DICTIONARY. AND WHEN THESE ARABS CAME TO GREECE THEY STARTED CALLING THEMSELF GREEKS.
MrLorenc26 9 months ago
Question for milion dlars
Alexander the Great III Macedonian was
Greeek
man down from Mars or
Macedonian
sunfromGovrlevo 10 months ago
We are the only descendants of the ancient Macedonians!
LONG LIVE MACEDONIA...and soon united!
CAKIMacedonian 10 months ago 13
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@CAKIMacedonian funny!!! you are slavs
fyromongol 10 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian
in your dreams
propably
till now you made a hole in water
marioorange 9 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian
you are slaves and you know that just look at your name and faces bitches! ignorant pics
Gerechtable 9 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian Phahaha, keep on dreaming!
kamaniisopi 8 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian how soon? :P
danyman88 8 months ago
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@CAKIMacedonian you are nothing
parkourip 8 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian oh you are the descentants of the ancient macedonians? nice , try to read the ancient scripts and relics from ancient macedonia, oh i forget you can't! you speak slavic! and you never ask your self why you can't read the scripts of your suposed uncestors? why you dont make your own research of truth instead to believe what tell you? you people come come just the 7th century AD! and you are descentants of a people who live for centuries here before your real ancestors arrive!
petros311 8 months ago
People from Skopje calling themselves Macedonians equals the same as calling themselves New Yorkers... that's just tragedy.
vAG3lis2029 10 months ago
macedonia is greek!!!
fyromongol 11 months ago
@fyromongol na majkati pitchkata
Chovek1 10 months ago
@Chovek1 Γαμήσου ρε Αρχίδι.... Εμείς είμαστε Μακεδόνες όχι εσείς!!!
fyromongol 10 months ago
@fyromongol speak Macedonian or English dickhead, i don't understand Greek !
Chovek1 10 months ago
@Chovek1 yo fyrom motherfucker there is no such language as macedonian... listen to what nimits said you malaka slavotrobone!!
fyromongol 10 months ago
@fyromongol Of course there is a Macedonian language, recognized the world over & it is not Greek you Dickhead, who gives a fuck about Nimitz, the Macedonian language was spoken before that tool was even born !
Chovek1 10 months ago
@Chovek1 you came to the region after the greeks.
fyromongol 10 months ago
@fyromongol get over your stupidity dude, your embarrasing yourself with this crap !
Chovek1 10 months ago
@Chovek1 facts aren't crap!
fyromongol 10 months ago
@fyromongol I agree with you... A Macedonian language and ethnicity exist to everyone but the Greeks - FACT !
Chovek1 10 months ago
@Chovek1
never a united macedonia aegean macedonia is greek
fyromongol 10 months ago
@fyromongol Don't be so ignorant, we both know that the part of Macedonia Greece occupies has been Greek for only 99 years now - since 1912 when Greece invaded with their Serbian and Bulgarian buddies - never before that you clown !
Chovek1 10 months ago
@Chovek1 im not ignorant it was greek through ancient and byzantine times as well. read history. prove that it wasn't!
fyromongol 10 months ago
@Chovek1 what a claim...listen u fool...MAKEDONIA IS GREECE..
kostasdania 9 months ago
The slavs of Fyrom are still trying to prove that Alexander was not Greek..Guess what..ain't gonna happen lolovski. Ancient Macedonia = Greek kingdom : FACT! Accepted by the whole world! Just search ancient Macedonia in wiki for example AND NOT IN YOUR PROPAGANDISTIC SITES!..you will get the answer..The slavs of Fyrom are pathetic
deedeegr100 11 months ago
Message to Fyrom : You are Yugoslavian by birth and Bulgarian by heart.
trisnna9801 11 months ago
this stuff makes us greeks VERY MAD!!
117eric 11 months ago
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THE macedonia IS NOT country
THE macedonia IS NOT nation THE MACEDONIANS ARE GREEKS
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unfukkkmee 1 year ago
ok Greeks.. u have a double personality: Greek-macedonian ok then u are scisofrenic people!!!
smolarec1 1 year ago
@smolarec1 U stupid ass...Makedonians are not those that call their country as "republic of makedonia"...these are vardaskians...Makedonia was a greek city state...So was Sparta or Athens....So spartans and athenians are also scisofrenic for being athenians,or spartans and greeks at the same time?What kind of stupid low iqed dick u are?U dont deserve to live...stupid ass...go to educate urself before making a comment...
BestRemixesOnlyVol2 1 year ago
@BestRemixesOnlyVol2 ok. i was wrong u are Hellenic, Greek and Macedonians.. that means u are tripple scisofrenic!!! the Macedonia like monarchy and the teritory of Greece only with a city states that's the same thing for sure.. two different things only in favour of greek scisofrenia! and about education.. just take and read some historical scool book of some neutral land for example Switzerland.. there u can find a tittle ''Macedonians, these ones from nord'' and u can clearly see everythin
smolarec1 1 year ago
@smolarec1 Firstly Hellenic and greek means the same thing...Secondly i have no fucking idea what you just said...I dont make any sense...Perhaps you should also learn english apart from history...And i dont give a flying fuck about the Swiss history books that were written 50 years ago...I can read the Hellenic ones that are 2000+ years old...
BestRemixesOnlyVol2 1 year ago
@BestRemixesOnlyVol2 firstly hellenic and greek means the same shit! and the macedonia is some tottaly different thing.. and i'm saying that u are considering the arguments that going in favour of greece and finaly u can continue to read only the greek books and don't ever open ure mind! just stay a selfish, ignorant idiot!
smolarec1 1 year ago
@smolarec1 Makedonia was a greek city state fucking dick.And be open minded in MY fucking history?Why?There are no arguements...Makedonia was considered to be greek since the beginning...Am i selfish for protecting MY history?What kind of a stupid ass retard are you?STFU and never speak again if you say that kind of bullshit...And that greek books were written by the first historians ever 2000 years ago...Not by a fucking Swiss dick 50 years ago...Go commit a suicide
BestRemixesOnlyVol2 1 year ago
@BestRemixesOnlyVol2 no argue.. even today's we are surounded with lies, lies and lies. there's no many truths in human history. even the scandinavian people arguing who is a bigger Viking from the other one etc. everybody is arguing with own neighbour.. and finaly who cares about history? in germany u can find a territory with a name Luxembourg and what then? we can argue forever with no efect. let just face to the future couse no one can choose he's parents and neighbours u know..
smolarec1 1 year ago
@BestRemixesOnlyVol2 let just pretend that we are a friends..
smolarec1 1 year ago
@smolarec1 you are slavs and want to be named macedonians. we are greeks and are macedonians thats the difference. greek is a culture, a language... a race...and so on. slav is just a language but not a culture. thats why you are copycats... without macedonia you are nothing. you arent macedonians you are slavs that poured in the region after the greeks. you are nothing!
fyromongol 10 months ago
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Alexander(ancestor), who addressed them as follows:- "Men of Athens, that which I am about to say I trust to your
honour; and I charge you to keep it secret from all excepting
Pausanias, if you would not bring me to destruction. Had I not greatly
at heart the common welfare of Greece, I should not have come to
tell you; but I am myself a Greek by descent, and I would not
willingly see Greece exchange freedom for slavery. 440bc herodotus cry scopjian cry good luck with your propaganda.
duckdodgerss 1 year ago
Alexander(ancestor), who addressed them as follows:- "Men of Athens, that which I am about to say I trust to your
honour; and I charge you to keep it secret from all excepting
Pausanias, if you would not bring me to destruction. Had I not greatly
at heart the common welfare of Greece, I should not have come to
tell you; but I am myself a Greek by descent, and I would not
willingly see Greece exchange freedom for slavery. 440bc herodotus cry scopjian cry good luck with your propaganda.
duckdodgerss 1 year ago
Barnaby Phillips is right about selective memory of nationalists. In his report he seems to have forgotten to mention his homeland of the UK used to claim there was no such things as "ethnic Macedonian". Too bad GB nationalists have become anti-Greeks these last few years. We miss you Lord Byron.
GemistusPletho 1 year ago
What BULLSHIT. The name change doesn't IRK Greeks, because most of us DON'T care. I like Macedonians and I have many Macedonian friends. A few dumbass Greek politicians and Greek ultranationalists make all of us sane Greeks look bad. Greeks as a whole aren't history-nerds or ultranationals who go around making annoying "corrections" to every countries history and identity.
SirGeorge8600 1 year ago
@SirGeorge8600
Speak for yourself. The vast majority of Greeks DO care. No ethnic Greek would call FYROM "Macedonian". Only a Greek citizen who does not consider his ancestors ancient Greeks would do that (almost to a man far leftists sorts or some minority...the same sorts that betrayed to Greece to the communists in 1944-48 that promoted these "macedonian" name gibberish) FYROM are nationalist are ethnic Bulgarians who hide their true history from themselves.
GemistusPletho 1 year ago
@GemistusPletho You are right, and the majority of Greeks are leftists (please turn on Greek news) this I am right. Greece is Greece, Macedonia is Macedonia.
SirGeorge8600 1 year ago