Cessna 210 Gear Up Landing

[motokid032]

Seems to be the norm with these Centurions.

My dad had this happen to him in N9444X back in '96

[YankeeinSC1]

What a bunch of moronic posts. Sorry this happened to you and that you have to deal with people making stupid comments and asking stupid questions. With that in mind, Was a cause ever determined? I clean my gear wells and lube all moving parts at every annual, but still fear the inevitable!

[4crevis]

Erm... why wasn't the engine cut to save the prop and engine before it destroyed itself?! I'm no Aero Engineer or Pilot, it just seems to make sense!

[straightpipediesel]

@4crevis The prop and engine are ruined no matter what. The prop would windmill and still spin and hit the ground. Once the prop hits the ground, it places stress on the engine. Nobody would let you fly without a engine rebuild at that point. Just common aviation safety. It wouldn't save anything and would invite a mistake in handling.

[4crevis]

@straightpipediesel ...ok... thanks!

[thetowerseries]

@CaptainMan117

move the everything as far aft as possible and it would work..its happened before captain tard

[JayJay1990fromwiehl]

I hate that sound when prop hits deck...heard just weeks ago at our local airfield

[thetowerseries]

so....you performed an emergency landing with the engine running....u shouldve put it to idle and let it rest back on the tail.... the prop wouldve been undamaged

[kwaito100]

The next time you find yourself in this situation - TURN OFF YOU ENGINE - it will save you/insurance company loads of money

[gr3ioz]

@FlyGuy2480 What tail skid are you talking about on a C172 or C210. If by tail skid you mean the tail itself, then feel free to do what you want, but make sure I'm not in the plane when you do it. Very nice work with the landing. Is that YMKT? I highly doubt that's the first time FTM has been pranged :)

[FlyGuy2480]

The best way to save an airplane in this situation is to move all of your passengers and cargo as far aft as possible, then land with as much angle of attack in the flare as possible. This way, you will be landing on the main gears and the tail skid, kinda like a taildragger. I don't know how easy this is, but I do know in a 172 it is very easy to bump the tail skid on takeoff with aftmost center of gravity.

[AirsportsDaniel]

@FlyGuy2480 If you have the center of moved so much that the plane would rest on its tail I think there might be a nasty stall/spinn situation before you reach the airfield.

[FlyGuy2480]

@AirsportsDaniel Yeah, I looked at the 210 POH. The CG would have to be at least 12 inches aft of the certified envelope for the aircraft to sit on its tail. The aircraft would have a low Vs0, but it would be very unstable at approach speed. I also looked at the R182 POH: The R182 requires CG only 5 inches aft of envelope, though achieving that kind of CG would require putting two adults (~420 lbs.) in the cargo area (R182s are quite nose heavy to begin with).

[fsxAIRLINEguy]

iS THE airplane alright? LOL

[MetaView7]

should have stopped the engine so that you can save a prop strike

[Arrowjock2]

@MetaView7, 210s have 3-blade props. In cases like this, prop strike is unavoidable. Also, Cessna POH prescribes that the engine must be operating for gear failure emergency landings.

[grumman650]

Good Job, greetings from Mexico.

Mexican Bush pilot

[spillerxxxxx]

To much Flaps. The wind came from a head. It was a leverage.

[Aeroerotic]

please tell me you're not another MS Flight Sim Pilot!

please read the comments before you post, this has been addressed many times...

the insurerer owned the aircraft from the moment the nose gear did not extend, do you have anything against a free new engine for your premiums?

[OldSheriff1]

@Aeroerotic

Isn't there a procedure for this, as in cracking the door, shutting off the fuel (which will stop the engine doh) etc? I"ve never heard of an emergency procedure involving leaving power on during an emergency landing

[Taylorman55]

wow.... great landing and all, but I think they could have slowed it up a bit. Also, if they wanted to avoid the damage of a complete engine over haul, you should have cut power before setting the front down. Either way you look at it, if you walk away from a landing, it was a good one. Glad everyone was safe!

[Nabokov50]

Was it a nose gear failure, or simply the gear just wasn't there. Obviously the nose gear was there on take off, but landing gear on this type of plane doesn't retract, does it?  If it doesn't retract, that meant the nose gear fell off. Weird, if true.

[Aeroerotic]

@Nabokov50

you might be thinking of the 206, a fxed gear version of the same aircraft.

The C210 is a retractable gear aircraft and if you see the other video on my channel you will see them attempting to open the gear doors.

[barticus04]

Any landing you can walk away from is a Good Landing!!

[Aeroerotic]

I recall what an article about ditching said and I will tell you my thoughts.

"remember, the insurance company owns the airplane..."

[BalderAsir]

too all the people saying he should have cut power, i throw you this question. IF on short finals, you know your going to make the strip, you cut power when suddenly you get hit with wind sheer, some person, vehicle, animal (yes this happens up here in the NT) decided to enter the runway at the wrong time what are you going to to? Alot more damage than just an engine replacement. This is why him, and alot of other guys up here are trained to keep the power on. Engine is cheaper than a new plane.

[AdurhamWV]

cut the engine cut the engine cut the eng.. oh!!! dumbass. lol. now you need a new engine.

[chirgs101]

@AdurhamWV , the service manuel for a continental engine requires the engine to be stripped and crankshaft inspected any time the prop has touched the ground, so it wouldn't matter if he had power or not, there is a major inspection involved, and after living in the NT for 5 yrs, with 3000hrs flying, 1500hrs on 200 series all the way through to C402's and most other aircraft with cessna or piper in the title, power is better than no power always, it gives you options

[southwest1998]

I love cessna but thier gear is kinda cheap

[GORDON49X]

Immense work! Congratulations. If it were me; I do the heroic thing: set to autopilot then climb under( from out of the door) and extend the gear manually! Maybe smash into it with hammer or something! Lol. Maybe not but wouldnt you at least shut down the engine so that the prop doesn't go into ground?

[ellzyss]

bloody good work

[sssoaring2]

nicely done

[emj0001]

You walked away. That means you did a good job, regardless of what people say on the internet.

[vonjager]

great landing!!

[hoppy123456798]

That was beautiful! Minimal damage too, by the looks of it (besides the obvious damage) Nicely done :D

[FuckBeerGoggles]

they could have cut the engine right at touchdown, totally doable. but good on ya for crackin the door. good touchdown as well, as they say any landing you walk away from is a good one.

[freifallspoiler]

You can see that the door is open (unlocked) before the nose hits the ground. This is part of emergency landing procedures of many planes.

Well done - sucks if such things happen.

[kibz2005]

awesome landing. everybody walked away, minimal damage to airframe, insuarance foots the bill. big ups to the pilot, he/she did well :-)

[pilotboy84]

Actually, It was as textbook as you can, Power on till touch down, keep the nose off the ground as long as possible, and everyone walked away from it. Can't ask for better than that! Being such a heavier aircraft, you keep power on so as not to drop out of the sky, 1000fpm touch down would crush the landing gear, hell even a 300fpm will crush it. KUDOS to the pilot. I'd fly with him any day

[toutatis12]

Not textbook. Big repair bill for not killing the engine.

[old0mate]

at the the end of the day, the moment the nose gear didn't extend, it was the insurance company's aircraft. As long as no one was hurt, the damage to the aircraft is irrelevant.

[JuanGMartinez]

I would have used more flaps and lowered the speed to the max. Also would have cut the engine, the prop. is not saved anyway, but other components are.

[straighttailpilot]

good job man! the only thing i wouldve done is cut the engine with a high speed approach. but great work. not many pilots have the skills to make such a good landing.

[jeremyc311709]

Yea I think what I wouldve done would be to cut the engine and raise the mains. Just slide it in

[cwalas]

Que pelotudo, no le corto el motor: Rompió helice y detención brusca, lastima.

[Leezyjet]

At least everyone walked away so it was a good landing, but could have saved on shock loading the engine if he had cut the mixture just as he touched down, or just before and kept the repair bills down.

[oldtimecalypso]

Brilliant move "cracking" the door. They had smarts. I was right seat in a twin Comanche emergency landing. I cracked the door before we touched down and the pilot thought I was out of my mind! Nothing like a warped fuselage to pin you inside a burning aeroplane.

[THExGOODxLIFE307]

@oldtimecalypso Then the pilot should not have been flying the plane. The POH says to crack the door open to avoid exactly that.

[darcougar]

fixed gear solves this problem =)

[hyegolfer]

@darcougar not the speed problem

[amediastintas]

it really is easy. on final you fly about 20 to 30 knots faster about 40 feet of the ground just shut the engine down, doesnt matter where the prop ends especially if its a 3 blade. if you have copilot and 2 blade have the copilot set the prop (IF POSSIBLE) if not forget it. but at least shut the engine down. it is doable. problem is that nobody practices engine off landings. only reason for shutting down is saving on engine damage.

[KitVander]

ouch.

[matt98stang]

hey everyone,

I'm a student pilot and am looking to buy an aircraft with 6 seats and a decent range, i've done a lot of research on the 210 and really like it, but would anyone know by chance the average maintenance cost for one? i know it varies but just your basic annual?

Also if anyone knows a better suited 6 seater aircraft with relatively low maintenance costs i would greatly appreciate it considering I'm knew to the aviation industry.

-Matt

[Floatsforlife]

get a twin Comanche. faster, efficient, better landing gear. however if you are a student pilot you cant get a twin. so just wait till you get your private and get a twin comanche. 210 flys just like a twin anyways.

[mollydog4me]

i would suggest as a student to fly a 172 for first hundred hours so. I bought a 78 210 before IFR was finished and the insurance was 6000 and i had 500 hrs in 205. yearly maintenance on 210 range from 2000 to 6000 unless any major

[amediastintas]

It just depends on the aircraft. I own a 182 and if i fly about 100 hours a year im paying about 120 dollars an hour thats including maintenance annual parking and insurance. but your maintenance will vary wildly depending on the condition of the aircraft.

[amediastintas]

something a little cheaper might me a cherokee six 300

[biggestMetallicAfan]

Make sure you got the money.

Because a plane like you want ain't gonna be under 90 grand.

[RobertGary1]

No such things as low maintenance cost in an airplane. A 6 places in really good condition would probably average around $10,000 year for maintenance but that can vary a lot. Some years perahps only a few thousand, then others you could have a lot more. I've owned airplanes for 20 years now; never found one with "low maintenance costs".

[straighttailpilot]

@RobertGary1 i own a 182 i spend about 400 bucks a month average. lol. if poeple want cheep they need ultralights!

[bombercervia]

yes of course you are right.

1 fly the airplane

2manage the emergency

3try to set up the airplane to minimise the effect of an emergency landing.

i was speaking about the perfect situation...for sure first i would think about my life than about the xxxx$ propeller

[MisledEiVOL]

I have always been taught to keep power in on gear up landings, especially on unprepared strips. What would happen if you shut the engine down and then an unexpected bur, rock or tree stump was right in the middle of the strip? no go around and instead of a new prop, and relatively minor repairs, you run the risk of exposed fuel tanks, fire, and untimately death. In my opinion, this pilot did a fantastic job. However, if at a large airport, and had runway to play with, I would shut down.

[jeffbiggles]

ahh a couple of days in the shop and she will be right mate.and 100 grand as well for the new prop and bulk strip.

[spitfireMK22]

Great job mate!

[navamerican]

Yes the prop will stop in the flare at about 60 knots. It is a high compression engine. I had done it just to practice.

[bombercervia]

i fly a c210 too, 210 f 68, the flare wasn't bad...but i would turn the engine at minum and then, when sure on the runway, cut it off, turn it in the best position not to touch the ground(by giving small turns ignition).

if the propeller would not stop, full propeller to make max drag and stop it

[FAZER00432]

Fucking nerdies on youtube in a flame fight once again PLACE BETS>>>NOW!!

[skimmeraus]

Look closely guys, The prop is in great shape after it stops so was clearly shut down, it was obviously just windmilling and the noise is just prop tip noise. shutting down the engine on a single wont stop the prop, duh.

[futureAlist]

actually it will, the engine was running on the landing roll, the prop only pinwheels while the engine is on, it takes alot of force to move the prop

[geeselouise]

Hell yes is will stop the prop if you slow it down enough. I've done it more than once. If it was spinning, regardless if the engine was under power, it needs to be torn down.

[amediastintas]

i second that

[simattic]

not necesarily correct if the prop would have been turned off and they were in the right position the prop could have been salvaged

[geeselouise]

the engine too. FAA mandate a tear down after a prop strike.

[FoulOwl]

Great landing.Engine off, engine on... what's the diff?It's gonna have to be overhauled anyway.That's what insurance is for.

[meatheadthegreat]

I don't mean to be an ass here but i"ve worked on both aircraft and there are huge differences structurally between them. they have a different wing span different flaps and ailerons and that's just for starters. The 206 and 210 look similar at first glance but they are pretty different

[Askelairlines747]

" FIX IT" he said at the end

[mjok2004]

There is no need for the fan to be going. The aircraft will still fly with it off, save that donk.

[pilotGA]

The older 210 are fixed gears but most people think they are 206... well now you know.

[pilotGA]

Text book and well done but, non the less the props could have been saved... as soon as the main touched, mixture cut off. Well done, you can always get new pros and acc but not a life, unless you get divorced, lol.

[Floatsforlife]

Yeah Mixture cut off but still its a 3 bladed prop. wouldn't have worked to save the prop. would have helped the engine out a bit... but where I'm from engine would need an over haul. even if you hit a bird they make you overhaul now.

[SCHA08]

yes, when he touched down he could cut off the engine, but, was a amazing land!

[plane45036]

should have cut the engine dude

[Aeroerotic]

maybe in a 172 or a 182 you could cut the engine, but the 210 HAS to be driven down under power. As the spectators say, it was a "textbook" landing...

[plane45036]

right when he touches down that engine should have been off

[straighttailpilot]

@Aeroerotic Not completely true. granted a 210 is heavy, BUT if flown flaps up at 90 kias at about 1000 fpm or so it will glide. Thats why its such a good idea to do power off approaches for emergencies like these. he couldve save an engine. :) happy landings!

[HDaviator]

@Aeroerotic I don't think that is accurate. Once those mains touch you can cut off the fuel, the windmilling propeller will still produce thrust. Aslong as the engine is not producing power, if the propellers impact, all that will get messed up is the propeller. If you have a prop strike with the engine turned on, you will mess up the engine. It is always better to replace aluminum than to replace an engine. Why would an airplane require power on touchdown?

[Cessna693]

@HDaviator 210s Require alot of power on approach because they are a heavier airplane than a 172 or 182 and during the flare it is a power on touchdown unless you want to be replacing gear saddles.

[totherepublic358]

@Cessna693 I am curious. I don't have an issue with the pilot not shutting down the engine, there is plenty to be said for being able to go around. But I fly a c206 and I make and practice landings all the time without power (that is with the throttle at idle and not carrying power). In fact I would be a little afraid of any single engine airplane that couldn't make safe dead stick landings! Is there some difference between a 206 and a 210 that makes the 210 unable to land without power?

[wyoryl]

@totherepublic358 Not really, its just a safety issue that most 210 pilots are taught to carry extra power in the flare b/c the 210 is so nose heavy. I say most b/c I usually dont need to unless its a full flap landing on a short field.

[MrDanieldb]

@Aeroerotic does this mean the 210 has no ability to glide whatsoever? What does it mean to be "driven down under power?"

[KingRichard920]

@MrDanieldb A 210 glides about as well as a brick! Very poor glide ratio.

[davemaing]

@Aeroerotic - just wondering, why does a c210 have to be landed with power?

[Theriomalstrom]

@Aeroerotic He had like 100 ft of runway in which to cut it before the nose dropped

[MultiCessnaPilot]

@Aeroerotic Actually that is incorrect. You could glide it down. You should have the doors open a little. (it looks like he did, but im not sure.

[nolifemerc]

@Aeroerotic why cant he cut the engine and save the propellor?

[wyoryl]

@nolifemerc Because the 210 is so nose heavy that the tail doesnt produce enough downards force to hold the nose up at slower airspeeds unless you have propwash flowing over it. Thus most 210 pilots are taught to carry a little extra power into the flare. It doesnt help matters that the forward landing gear is a hair taller (vertically) than the mains, and the prop only clears the ground by about 6-8 inches or so.

[wyoryl]

@nolifemerc Having said that though he could still land withotu power and save the engine.

[wyoryl]

@Aeroerotic Sorry bro, but i've got a lot of hours in a T210 and contrary to popular belief you don't have to drive them down under power, although having that power does make it easier to keep the nose up. Personally I would have just turned the key to off as soon as I felt the wheels make contact. On the other hand, I wonder if the guy had the opportunity to try the manual system. Gear system in the entire 210 series was of a bad design anyway. So's the fuel system.

[SigChi725]

new prop and engine and she'll be back up in no time. oh fix the gear too.

[merto31]

in an emergency landing you are supposed to open the doors that's what the airplane's POH says.

[Aeroerotic]

door was cracked open, thats why it was a textbook landing!

[ratodoesgato]

just a question not rly concering the vid (nice job btw) but how long to ur tires last when opperating out of dirt strips?, and do u get many punctures?

[Aeroerotic]

not my bird and I can't help you with that one, sorry

[RobertGary1]

@ratodoesgato The tires last a lot longer on dirt than they do on pavement.

[piloty5]

@ratodoesgato its recommendecd that you get tundra tires but you can use standard tires but you have to be carefull with them

[aerobatic500]

@merto31 It says you are supposed to unlatch the doors, and they are if you look closely. you can't really open them when you are coming in at 70-75 knots.

[sldghamr1]

any landing you can walk away from, is a good one!!!

[mikef4irider]

almost perfect.  should have mad the engine quite.

[atisone]

I used to fly this ol girl at ARCHERFIELD way back years ago...

The older I get the better I used to be.

Thanks for the both videos..great stuff, sorry to hear and see your plane all damaged.

[Aeroerotic]

the 210 has retracts, the 206 has fixed gear.

[N746ZX]

They're some 206's with retract gear though. Not all of the models were fixed. It was just like the 172, both fixed and retractable gear!!

[N9602FL]

No they are not the very first 210 had the wing strut just like the 206, and i was actually a re-desing from the 182, the C206 was introduced in 1962 so that makes the Cessna 206 the copy of the 210 with fixed gear

[N746ZX]

There were no 210's with fixed gear. I know that the early 210's has struts and main gear struts like the 206's, but all of the 210's have retractable gear!!!!

[N9602FL]

Check this out Cessna 210B and re-check your very first statement

[starfieldguy]

i didnt think these things had retractable gear

[N746ZX]

All Cessna 210 models had retractable gear. I think you were possibly thinking of another Cessna family aircraft with fixed gear!