Heineken Keg Pot with Built in Heat Exchanger part of the Troop 73 Alcohol Stove Project

[patrq]

He did it to show how to boil water quicker by increasing surface area, ie. survival situations to purify water

[robmochdre]

Advancements in technology ???

Your just trying to reinvent the wheel ,

But in the shape of a  square.

I commend your efforts but simply adding

Creases you are not adding surface area.

The jet boil works because of its vastly increase surface area !!!

Check out a storm kettle you'll be impressed !!

[MrBillTroop73]

@robmochdre Dude, it was an experiment. You seem like a reasonable person...

[banaandre]

@robmochdre He actually is adding surface area by creasing the material. Due to plastic (permanent) deformation of the aluminum, a residual strain is present after the load is removed, which directly results in an increased surface area.

[MrBillTroop73]

@banaandre Exactly!

[robmochdre]

By the comments on here , I had better throw out my trangia

[MrBillTroop73]

@robmochdre and go live in some hole somewhere and protest any advancement in any kind of technology, and, and, and, ...

[fairmanbaby]

Does anybody know which supermarket this keg/can can be obtained here in england. If so please let me know. cheers.

Good vid by the way.

[JimssWorld]

@fairmanbaby morrisons mate

[MrLibbyloulou]

In britain we add 20,000 tonnes of aluminium to our water supply JUST to make it sparkle,that.s every year,so, you have to ask yourself, is it really poisonous? Good vid.

[MrBillTroop73]

@MrLibbyloulou Thank you!

[p20]

@MrLibbyloulou look at the brits teeth and the quesstion answers itself

[MrBillTroop73]

@p20 Please show peer reviewed test results where aluminum from beer cans was found in Brits teeth.

[SuperGozzy]

cooking with aluminum .it puts off toxic waste in the food

[JimssWorld]

@SuperGozzy its a good job we dont wrap sandwiches in the stuff then isnt it

[ilovemesomechicken]

When i read the title i assumed you were going to smoke pot out of it not make it into a pot lol

[ismokewead420]

if aluminum was dangerous, they wouldn't sell food in it lol

i didnt just say its harmless, for all the dumb motherfuckers out there... i just said it isnt dangerous to eat from it

[JADEKINGsRULE]

no sur dont like it... they coat those things with thermal agent from the inside... thats why im drinking 1 now!:)

if u wer 2 coat your roof with all the Hein'y cans u throuw out .. trully green technology:) BEER! its not whats in the can that counts:)

U ARE WELCOME!

[Woodenarrows]

Bill, I wish we still had the Heineken cans to experiment with :-( It's a sad day for backpacking...

[MrBillTroop73]

@Woodenarrows I agree. Perhaps, when the economy improves, Heineken will bring the Keg Can back. Until then, I have about half a dozen of them in reserve. Though, they are so well constructed, I am still going on my first one.

[dragoninfire123]

@Woodenarrows where i live (canada), they still have these heineken can...

[Woodenarrows]

@dragoninfire123 Save them while you can cause they are a disappearing item.

[dragoninfire123]

@Woodenarrows oh yeah??!! poor them... i just used one as they used it in the video... can you please do a tutorial on how to make a stove out of the can??

[salimoneus]

I would strongly recommend against using aluminum for anything related to food or water, especially when heat is involved. Aluminum is very toxic and has been linked to several degenerative diseases like alzheimer's, autism, and several others. The small amount of weight compared to something very safe like stainless steel is not worth it. Stainless is made from mostly all natural and safe elements such as iron and chromium, both found in most multivitamins.

[MrBillTroop73]

@salimoneus certainly do what you feel comfortable with, but, for the record, there is no link to aluminum and Alzheimer's at all, and there never was. Do a search for "aluminum Alzheimer's myth" . Just like there is no link to any illness from BPA in Nalgene bottles. Do a search for "BPA hoax"

[salimoneus]

@MrBillTroop73 There absolutely are links, aluminum deposits have been found in the brain tissue of Alzheimer's patience upon autopsy. It's well documented in several cases. Aluminum is toxic, there is no disputing that fact. If you don't mind ingesting toxic metals, be my guest, but with much safer alternatives why risk it, doesn't really make sense. I've never heard of an Aluminum supplement, have you?

[MrBillTroop73]

@salimoneus That's a myth. The reality is: During the 1960s and 1970s, aluminum emerged as a possible suspect in Alzheimer’s. This suspicion led to concern about exposure to aluminum through everyday sources such as pots and pans, beverage cans, antacids and antiperspirants. Since then, studies have failed to confirm any role for aluminum in causing Alzheimer’s. Experts today focus on other areas of research, and few believe that everyday sources of aluminum pose any threat.

[piercedbond7]

@salimoneus Possibly from using deodorant, of which most contain Aluminum. Gonna stop using that too? THE SKY IS FALLING, look out.

[heymanWTF25]

@salimoneus LOL, way to get shut down on your anti-aluminum argument.

[jmikesr]

@salimoneus , thanks for the science lesson, you moron. Because somethng is in multivitamins doesn't necessarily mean it is safe in all compounds. Aluminum is the second most prevalent element on earth and if it is that dangerous, we're all in trouble.

[MrBillTroop73]

@theidiotcure blocked and message deleted.

[XxMenz0xX]

lol that video looks like a science project for school

[MrBillTroop73]

@XxMenz0xX That was pretty much the idea. It was a contest for our Scout Troop to come up with the best stove and pot designs for our needs.

[MrTimothytim]

Wooptiedoo.

[MrBillTroop73]

@MrTimothytim You're the one that clicked on a Heineken can heat exchanger video, how dumb are you?

[Theoutdoorsguy1]

@MrTimothytim If you dont care, why watch it? You selected the video

[c0ldelement]

wow another video that is a waste of server space.... how surprising

[MrBillTroop73]

@c0ldelement Wow, another youtuber that is a waste of real life space, how boring.

[Theoutdoorsguy1]

@c0ldelement its a free country......

[redcolt777]

do you cook in the can or add the boiling water to a billy and add your food?

[MrBillTroop73]

@redcolt777 We use "freezer bag cooking" for this set up.

[MrBillTroop73]

@chook2148 What? I cant hear you.

[nightraven4]

Is it only me that watched this, because It said "Heineken"?

[MrBillTroop73]

@nightraven4 You mean, you didn't read the whole title?

[WATSONYCRICK]

what a fuck!!!

[MrBillTroop73]

@WATSONYCRICK yes, you are! Thank you for expressing how you feel about yourself in such juvenile language!

Have a nice life.

[ronmann606]

epicly disappointing

[MrBillTroop73]

@ronmann606 because?

[ronmann606]

@MrBillTroop73 you put dents in a can to speed up the time it takes to boil water in a plastic coated aluminium can. The video went from obvious to dumb. (I'm just answering the question, not trying to be an ass.)

[MrBillTroop73]

@ronmann606 but, you clicked on a thumb nail showing pliers holding a washer denting a can, from a channel known to be experimenting with ultra light home made gear, and you complain that it was obvious, but then you continued to watch??? and then complain???

[ronmann606]

@ronmann606 I didn't complain at first, you asked for my opinion and I gave it to you dumb ass. I had no idea it would suck looking at the thumbnail. 40% of the ratings are thumbs down and your reply to me is like I'm some hating troll. I think its dumb to boil water in a plastic lined can, its just my opinion please don't kill yourself over it.

[MrBillTroop73]

@ronmann606 Actually, you DID complain first. I didn't ask for your opinion, I simply asked you to explain your juvenile complaint in hopes that you could intelligently articulate. You then degenerated into deeper uncontrolled juvenile hating troll behavior while pretending you're not an uncontrolled juvenile hating troll.

You lose!

Have a nice life.

[BigTVideos]

Great job there Bill Sir.

[MrBillTroop73]

@BigTVideos Thank you. It was a fun little project.

[qmtco003]

hmmmm.... got time to lost here.... hey man have u noticed a draughtkeg is made to drink the beer in.. then after buy a new one and repeat the process

[MrBillTroop73]

@qmtco003 Sounds like you're right on top of that.

[keebordcowboy]

i want my 1:49 min back.

[MrBillTroop73]

@keebordcowboy why would you click on a "heat exhanger" video that shows a Heineken can in the thumbnail from a channel that specializes in outdoors?

[nowhereusa]

i just wonder how much this really heats it up, your not really adding any more surface area just changing the layout of what you had at the beginning. If you say glued/welded extra pieces too it then i could see it making a big difference.. Did you do any before and after testing on boil times?

[MrBillTroop73]

@nowhereusa We did plenty of testing back then, but I do not have the data anymore. Please feel free to dent your own keg can and test it to see what you come up with. We quickly moved on to other experiments where we did indeed add more "material" to create a much improved heat exchanger.

[ballygeale1]

i have it now ....thank you

[MrBillTroop73]

@ballygeale1 I am happy to help.

[ballygeale1]

y are u pressing the side of the can with a washer

[MrBillTroop73]

@ballygeale1 The theory is to create more surface area to absorb heat faster so that the water inside comes to a boil sooner.

[ballygeale1]

didnt realy follow entirly what went on

[MrBillTroop73]

@ballygeale1 What is it that you dont understand? I will try to help you.

[EconoChallenge]

I don't use these small pot but I do love this idea. Something to think about as we tinker around with ideas this winter. Thanks for sharing!

[MrBillTroop73]

@EconoChallenge Always great to have you visit. Thanks for watching bro!

[StevenMartin1966]

Why does it need to be a stainless washer if you're just using it to crease the can?

Thanks!

[MrBillTroop73]

@StevenMartin1966 I dont know that it needs to be stainless, especially since it never touches the inside of the pot.

[oreoat2004]

By troop do you mean BSA troop or what?

[MrBillTroop73]

@oreoat2004 yes. Our senior boys were challenged to develope individual recipies and ultra light equipment.

[oreoat2004]

@MrBillTroop73 Im am also a boy scout i'm almost done with Second and First class Ranks!

[MrBillTroop73]

@oreoat2004 Great! Keep up the good work!

[madogblue]

did you time how long it took to boil to see if it was fater with the heat exchanger??

[MrBillTroop73]

@madogblue Yes, and it was significantly faster boil times. However, being that was over 2 years ago now, I don't remember the test times.

Currently, we are using a different heat exchanger design that is even better. I show it at the end of our video titled "The Truth About Pots"

[borderraven]

Be sure to use a stainless steel washer. Any cadmium or zinc coated washer will make you ill.

[bbt95762]

I love the simplicity of this modification - and no added weight. I've tested the Heiny pots vs. regular wide bottom pots, and have not had good luck with the heiny's. It seems like the wide bottom pots capture more heat from the flame. Have you had similar experience? btw, I'm a fellow scoutmaster, in El Dorado County. Thanks for sharing!

[MrBillTroop73]

Certainly, wide bottom pots with a small air space between water level and lid proved to give the best boil times in our testing.

Please check out our video titled "The Truth About Pots"

[bbt95762]

Thanks - I watched it - very informative - thanks!

[poopdogsays]

I don't mean to sound like a dumbass, but what are you trying to accomplish? What is this about?

[MrBillTroop73]

Its about this:

/watch?v=AFRf3DSqWlM

I hope that helps. Please feel free to ask more questions, I will try to help you.

[MrRangerTom]

Heat transfer increases by increasing metal surface area.

[MrBillTroop73]

BINGO!

Thank you for helping to explain it!

Bill

[MrRangerTom]

Have you done a boil test comparison to prove heat gain increased? I'm not sure that you've increased metal surface area. You may have created a rough surface to trip the laminar flow of air at the base and allow more heated air to stay closer to the pot on its way up, though.

[MrBillTroop73]

We have since moved on to a better design. We now make a heat exchanger from aluminum flue tape that does indeed improve boil times..

[MrRangerTom]

I saw the copper tape video. Very good.

[hoz49]

I wrote Heineken Customer Care this is their reply:

Dear hoz

Thank you for making Heineken aware of the use of our cans in a nontraditional manner. According to our packaging engineers, the inner lacquer coating of beverage cans are not intended to be used at high temperatures. The specific coating in our beer cans is suited for contact with beer only at pasteurizing temperature, which is well below cooking

temperature.

[hoz49]

We...wanted to share with you our instruction that Heineken cans should be recycled and not re-used.

Regards,

Consumer Affairs - Heineken USA

Enjoy Heineken Responsibly

[MrBillTroop73]

The lining in all beverage cans are tested by the FDA in an autoclave under an extra atmosphere of pressure.

They boil Ethanol solvent under this pressure at 250 degrees F for two hours, then lower the temp and hold it at 104 degrees F for 10 days.

During this time the FDA tests the

Ethanol solvent for any migration of the lining material at the end of the 2 hour 250 deg. boil, then after 24 hours, then after 96 hours, and finally after 240 hours.

[hoz49]

I admit everyone is free to choose to live their lives as they see fit, and I do not intend to argue EPA or FDA findings, business backed scientific studies, renal or liver clearance rates or anyones "gut" feelings about the safety of using beer cans to boil water.

But when the company itself says not to do it I feel obligated to at least make sure the information is released.

[MrBillTroop73]

All FDA tests ever conducted conclude that you would have to eat 500 pounds of food per day for an entire lifetime in order to slip past the min. level of a harmful amount of BPA.

Bill

[MrBillTroop73]

Myself, and our boys do not actually cook in the cans. We just bring water to a 210 degree boil, and pour it into our zipper lock bag dehydrated meals.

No harm done.

Bill

[MrRangerTom]

I hink that's the best way to do that. How dod you keep your cans from being crushed in your pack. I see plastic bowls and pitchers placed around them, but I think that sort of defeats the savings of weight gained by using such a light weight pot.

[MrBillTroop73]

I currently use an outside pocket, some of the boys just place it last into their pack.

[MrRangerTom]

Very good. I thought maybe you could carry a helium balloon and tie it midways from the pack to the balloon, hehe.

[MrBillTroop73]

LOL

If you watch the end of this video, youll see the heat exchanger we use now:

watch?v=yPN2FpDyIb4

[ekaj8]

not being 21, I tried to explain to the clerk that I didn't want the beer for the beer, I wanted the beer for the can, he was not amused and I didn't get my beer, I mean cooking pot

[MrBillTroop73]

We didnt drink any beer, but found the cans in the recycle bins of my apartment complex where I live.

Amazing how many we found right after the Super Bowl!

Bill