Living with absolutes and accepting atheism

[2nDoppelganger]

We have the same mother. Just thought you should know.

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By the way, PathOfReason, thank you for posting your videos and allowing our lengthy somewhat unrelated discussions on your boards. I'm not TRYING to troll up your boards, it is happening unjustly, so for that I apoligise. You're keeping it real though man.

[kwil46]

He argues from an emotional aspect and not from logic,mathematics,or reason.Mendel,Galileo,Copernic­us,Boyle etc.. all believed science brought us closer to God.Perhaps too much time with the hookah,

[epshot]

@kwil46 also they were all products of their time, in times when godlessness was inexistent.

[kwil46]

@epshot

Just so you know, their has never been a time when godlessness was nonexiatent.There has always been large numbers of people who choose not to believe.Thus,your comment is without merit.

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@kwil46 No it's not. Those people, regardless of their contributions to progressiveness, were products of their times. That comment has great merit. They all believed in god, this does not prove a god's existence as much as it proves that even the greatest minds of our history can be infected with the contageous memes of religious doctrine.

[kwil46]

@epshot

There has never been a period when " godlessness was inexistent.".There has always been large groups who deny God.To argue otherwise is to say you knew every single person and queried them on their faith.Impossible and illogical and false.Belief in God does not prove His existence no more than disbelief proves His nonexistence.Your comment proves that even the more mundane minds of our history can be infected with the contagious memes of secular doctrine.

[epshot]

@kwil46 you're arguing absolutely nothing, and not even the point of my original comment, if we take this back a few steps. you merely pointed out a hyperbole i used to describe the always smaller denomination of atheists in a point in history where the church governed mostly everything. They actually tried to imprison galileo for his 'crazy idea' that the earth is not the center of our solar system. The original point was of COURSE galileo and the others you mention believed in god. Focus, bud.

[kwil46]

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Not arguing,just correcting you.Hyperbole is exaggeration.Your statement was a falsehood.According to the dictionary, inexistent means : not having existence : nonexistent.Thus,it was both logically and factually false.True,most of the greatest minds were believers in God and saw their minds as gifts from Him and science a means to learn more of His creation.

Focus,bud!

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@kwil46 Hm now you're trying to tell me what my comment was and what it wasn't. Well, i can tell you flat: you are wrong. Inexistent WAS the hyperbole. Silly cunt. =) As for minds being a gift from god, most (yes most) great minds these days don't believe in the god that their mind was supposed to be a gift from. I wonder why the shift? Probably: because god does not exist. Probably that.

[kwil46]

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I see that when faced with correction you react like most childish minds do.You pull put your inane vulgarity to articulate your pearls of wisdom.Duly noted they were inexistent pearls.You eqaute plurality of adherents with truth.I wonder if you even know what truth is?Well, its immuteable and not dependent upon a concensus.Also,your stating an opinion does not make it true.After all,those are a dime a dozen.In your case,maybe a nickel.

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@kwil46 Did you get your daddy to type that comment for you? Or did you pull out your thesaurus? I wonder if you even realise the mistake you're making. You haven't corrected anything. If you go back to my original message, you still aren't even touching on the point. And I use vulgarity where vulgarity is due. In your case, you are of a high degree of cunt'ness. You've taken a exaggeration i used as a literal statement, and i've corrected you that it was an exaggeration, but you still continue.

[kwil46]

@epshot

I still see you are devoid of any ability to contend intellectually.Duly noted that you're vulgarity is merely an outgrowth of your childish mind and immature disposition.Keep trying kid,perhaps you will make sense one day.Actually,the only mistake I am making is continuing to give you the benefit of the doubt in thinking you may make a cogent point or ask a mature question.My mistake.

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@kwil46 despite your ample index of jargon, you still have not made but a single argument that retorts to my original illustration that in earlier times, earlier minds were more abject to the ideals of religiosity. Therefore, I conclude, that you have not made any particularily creative, acute or eminent repartee to my original post. You still cling to your asinine objection to my use of a hyberbole that I have been subsequent to correct you on. goodbye. :D

[kwil46]

@epshot

If you care to return to the original comment you would see I both corrected your improper use of verbage (forcing you to backtrack when your false use was exposed) and i answered your question. In your use of 'abject' you again display weak usage.Perhaps the word 'subject' would better suffice.True,there was greater religous influence at that time,but that did not prevent these great minds from their work now did it?The fact they continued in their faith bugs you.Then again,thats you.

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@kwil46 You're full of presumptions, among other shit. Dead mathematicians faith does not bug me in the least. Because I understand it. What I don't understand is present day defense of desert aged mythological crap and aggressive attempts to spread it to every possible person on the planet at almost all and any cost. The two larges religions promote barbaric life-style and morals. That's not to say the modern day fake-christian is a barbarian, but rather that the doctrine just promotes it.

[kwil46]

@epshot

Thanks for continuing to reveal your inane immaturity via your vulgarity ."The two larges religions promote barbaric life-style and morals." Christianity condemns murder,lying,theft,adultery,co­veting etc....And you call that " barbaric life-style and morals"?What I don't understand is present day defense of evolutionary theory dependent upon numerous hypothesis (faith) to explain gaps and aggressive attempts to spread it to every possible person on the planet at almost all and any cost

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@kwil46 Yes, christiniaty promotes barbaric lifestyle and morals. It is because of christian morals that we force people who are in great pain and suffering to continue the rest of their tortured conscious existence as long as it takes for them to die of their ailments, even if they beg for death. A man like Kevorkian is seen as some sort of monster for aleviating pain and suffering, but the people, who for their own egos, force people to live and suffer are seen as morally superior. Barbaric.

[kwil46]

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Its barbaric to value life,to oppose murder,lying,rape,adultery,ste­aling? Then, by default, I guess you are more "enlightened" and support all of these.I guess Stalin and Mao are your atheistic heroes then for they certainly advocated all of these.Of course I know you dont,but your position is an emotionally charged rant.No one forces anyone to do anything.Last I checked,we have separation here so your problem is with the courts.Lose the bigotry & hate.

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@kwil46 Valuing life and valuing quality of life should go hand in hand. And yes, people in America are forced to remain living in degrading and undignifying ways of life, sometimes for months maybe more, when all they want is to expire and not feel the pain and suffering. And for what? For selfish theist's ease of mind that they 'did everything they could'? "I love your Jesus Christ, but I do not love your Christians. Your Chistians are so unlike your Christ." - Ghandi.

[kwil46]

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Please calm down and realize emotions cloud reason.FYI, there are many non Christians who also oppose assissted suicide.As there are also many Christians who support this.Your 'logic' is to group all people who disagree with you together.That logic is like me saying ALL atheists are murderers & despots like Mao and Stalin.

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@kwil46 It doesn't matter who opposes assissted suicide. What matters is that people want it, beg for it, need it. But its Christian morals that make suicide, and killing (if you assisst a suicide, you kill a person, but it is NOT murder) a sin and therefor wrong. Christian morals also promote the spread of sexual tramsitted diseases that kill millions, such as AIDS, especially in Africa wher you have missionaries recruiting christians in these countries and discouraging them from using condoms.

[kwil46]

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If it does not matter ,why do you heap all your venom on Christians? Perhaps its your hate filled anti-christian bigotry surfacing.As for Aids,I guess people behaving like animals and seeking sex wherever and with whomever has nothing to do with it.There cant be any sense of personal responsibility now can there?Its always someone elses fault.Maybe we should do away with Christian morals and advocate murder,rape,theft,lying,adulte­ryetc,,,Then you would be happy.You sir,are disturbed.

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@kwil46 There is nothing wrong with UPDATING morals. It's not about throwing away morals that work. But Not killing, not stealing, etc, those morals far predate Christianity. Update morality. But don't base it on silly old myth. Base morality upon reality and modern day problems. Is there something wrong with that idea? To udpdate morality for the times? You seem to think so, because you are infected with this religion-psychosis that teaches you the bible is the only reality. Pitiful really.

[kwil46]

@epshot

What determines your morality then?Is it always subject to interpretation? Seems you argue that each person or society should determine his/their own morality. You are infected with this anti-religion-psychosis that teaches you that what you see is the only reality. Pitiful really.

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@kwil46 the environment i was raised in was not opposed to homosexuality. my parents raised me to accept and befriend, not intolerate and hate differences like yours must have raised you. like most people, many of my morals came from my parents, my friends, and my teachers. i grew up in a secular household. religion was never a factor, just love and friendship. these are not christian morals, but rather simply just morals that christians have also adopted. kthxbye

[ScienceReasonBelief]

@epshot

You're wasting your time with kwil46... he's really full of himself, thinks he's the original great thinker. If it were me, I'd just delete his crazy posts.

[kwil46]

@ScienceReasonBelief

This is from the man too intellectually afraid to answer a simple question of mine. As always,his moniker is really his belief that " he's really full of himself, thinks he's the original great thinker". Yet, his actions continue to betray him.

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@ScienceReasonBelief I just find it intresting to see just how many straw-man arguments he can keep pulling out of his arse. Maybe one day he will run out.

[ScienceReasonBelief]

@epshot

He's the king of strawmen! And so pompous! 

[kwil46]

@ScienceReasonBelief

Actually, it is you who reign over pompousness.You are still upset,like most kids,because I asked a simple question and you were afrid to answer it.Now you seek recruits to assuage your conscious.

[ScienceReasonBelief]

@kwil46

I've answered all the questions I've choosen to answer. Nothing you posts makes me afraid, because I know that your religion is false. Hope your mail-order bride can put up with your pompousness... just tell her you're gay before you marry her and see if she's still willing. Give her a chance to run!

[kwil46]

@ScienceReasonBelief

True.You answered all the questions you chose to answer and conveniently avoided answering any tough questions that might cause you to actually think or question your own beliefs.So much for intellectual honesty and integrity.Now your intellectual cowardice carries over into your personal cowardice with the continuing childish attacks.You must be,what,11? I mean socially and intellectually. Thanks for the revelation.

[ScienceReasonBelief]

@kwil46

Yawn...

[kwil46]

@ScienceReasonBelief

This is your most intelligent post to date.Did it strain you to formulate such an articulate retort?

[ScienceReasonBelief]

@kwil46

"sticks and stones"

hey, good thing you took down the vids of your mail-order bride... you wouldn't want her exposed to all your ranting.

[kwil46]

@ScienceReasonBelief

Still nothing better than chidish tantrums. I accept your admission of ignorance.Thanks.

[ScienceReasonBelief]

@kwil46

Kelley, have you told Jing yet that you're gay?

[kwil46]

@ScienceReasonBelief

Your repressed desire to be normal is evident in the way you attack anyone opposing homosexuality. Why you choose to be aberrant is something you must deal with, but these continual diatribes reveal your inner desire to be normal and reject homosexuality.You can,we both know its a choice. You also revel in the anonymity of this forum, as your cowardly nature demands.

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@kwil46 Wow. You claim to be morally superior, yet you bought a woman over the internet? Interesting, I guess you could justify it using the advocation of buying slaves in your holy scripture. So there's no problem there, right?

Does she love you? *snicker*

[kwil46]

@epshot

I see your childish and cowardly nature rises too.Unable to contend intelligently,you are like your childish playmate ,and resort to these silly attacks utilized by all feeble minds.I accept your admission that you are morally and intellectually inferior.

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@kwil46 admit you just got owned. and your supposed christian moral superiority is a fallacy. you base the foundations of your morals on outdated, debunked, barbaric, archaic, old mythology. admit it please. it is the plain truth. the only child here is you. you have not grown out of your fairy tales and crying your crocodile tears for humanity. your hypocrisy is at an ultimate high, even for a christian. you reap the benefeits of science, and then turn around and trash it on youtube.

[kwil46]

@epshot

admit you just got owned. and your supposed atheistic moral superiority is a fallacy. you base the foundations of your morals on,well, NOTHING.the only child here is you, with your petulant postings attacking me personally for simply disagreeing with you.Like most children,you could not formulate a reasoned response so you resorted to childish verbal tantrums.Go home child and be safe.

[ScienceReasonBelief]

@epshot

Hey man, a little about Kwil... he used to have videos up on his page of him and a girl he met over the internet, from the Phillipines (I think). It's the modern-day version of a mail-order bride... she's not exactly "bought", but she gets to leave her meager existence and live in the US. It's popular among men who want a traditional obedient wife, but ALSO among closet-gays. Since kwil is ALWAYS ranting on the gay vids, I put 2 and 2 together (I'm gay myself so I've seen this before)

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@ScienceReasonBelief ah thats why he is so hard on you. then. his infoerior morality when it comes to differences among individuals has his panties all in a bunch about a certain pleasure that his god tells him he, and nobody else, is allowed to experience. i kind of understand it now. whether he is closet-gay or not, he has obviously felt very little love internally and externally in his life, and so must attack others for finding true love in places he is not allowed to.

[ScienceReasonBelief]

@epshot

Yes, that's probably true. One thing I can't stand is a closeted gay guy who FIGHTS against his own people. IF you want to be closeted, fine. But don't become anti-gay.

As any good atheist knows, science has shown homosexuality to be a normal variant in 1,500 species... and not just sex, but affection, life-long partners, and even parenting (through adoption, like those penguins). But he clings to his mythology! That's why I ask, "Does Jing know?" because she deserves the truth!

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@ScienceReasonBelief Indeed, as I have stated on another pro-gay vid that homosexuality is natural. He, with his inferior understanding of nature, would argue that it is unnatural. But there is no proof of that, since homosexuality occurs in nature. That is the bottom line. Theists seem to disregard that other species of organisms on this planet also have homosexual individuals. They seem to think it's limited to humans only. I laugh at this.

Poor Jing. She needs to be told... about the lies.

[ScienceReasonBelief]

@epshot

Hopefully Kwil will get help someday... and tell Jing right away.

[kwil46]

@epshot

Homosexuality is natural because it..."occurs in nature. " ? So, your behavior standards are set by animals I see.Lets see,you also find animals eating their young,eating dung,defecating everywhere,etc...I guess you call that normal as well because after all, it "...occurs in nature. That is the bottom line" This is the counter you present?Homosexuality is against nature,design and creation.Now,it is you who struggle with inner turmoil with what we both know is aberrant behavior.

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@kwil46 Welcome to the 21st century dumby. Where we (the realistic) understand that homo sapiens are animals! We share ancestral origins with other apes. Yes that is right! We are apes with big brains! Back in the days of JESUS where do you think they deficated? Where do you think your precious Jesus took a shit, and what did he whipe his ass with? Modern science has brought us toilets and sewage systems, through experience, understanding, and experimentation. Not through Jesus. Learn please.

[kwil46]

@epshot

Again you confuse theories with facts,opinions with truth,and speculations with science.It was you who decided to be like animals,If you and your dog are so similar in behavior,either he missed a generation or two or you did.Do you behave like him? You seem to resent the fact I point out how different you are from animals.It bothers you that I say you are created higher than animals.Do you resent the fact you wear clothes,have indoor plumbing,dont eat your young,sit at the dinner table

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@kwil46 You could argue my claim all you want, and I'm sure you would and will. But you can not dispute the fossil evidence or the molecular evidence that goes to back this claim up. Namely, the plethora of transitional fossils of human evolution that anyone can view for themselves in museums. And also the more difficult (for you) to understand, but unbreakable evidence that we can trace ancestral lineages of species to one another using DNA.

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@kwil46 So yes, for something to be natural it must occur in nature. therefor I can conclude using logic that homosexuality is more natural than any god ever could be. god's do not occur in nature, according to theists they are always just there, but homosexuality does occur in nature. in more ANIMALS than just humans. What on earth has you mistaken that humans act any more illustrious than animals do? we all fart, shit, eat, sleep, kill, hunt, piss, fuck... same shit different flavour, friend.

[kwil46]

@epshot

So much eloquence today.Seems as though i struck a nerve in describing what governs your social behavior.You categorize my morality as barbaric because I oppose murder,lying,stealing,adultery­,etc....Then you justify yours as normal because yours is determined by animalistic behavior.Well, you can continue to behave like dogs or other animals(remember,this is YOUR description-not mine) in your aberrancy.I will live like a barbarian and behave like normal humans.

[kwil46]

@epshot

"we all fart, shit, eat, sleep, kill, hunt, piss, fuck... same shit different flavour, .." I see these are your virtues and you do all of them just like animals abecause,after all,they are in nature and you are an animal too and must behave like your cousins and brothers the dogs and goats and etc...It is your life so behave like a dog.I will remain a barbarian who values human life,opposes murder,lying,theft,etc...(you know,all those things you condemned as my'barbaric moral code'

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@kwil46 Farting, Pissing, Eating, Sleeping, Killing, Shitting, and Fucking are not virtues. These are things that human beings all do! They are actions. Inevitable actions of being mammilian. Human bodies are very homologous with many other animals, living and extinct, and our homolougous bodies require the same sustainence and employ the same bodily functions as one another. Our brains are larger. That is the difference. Did your Jeses have plumbing and indoor heating?

[kwil46]

@epshot

I know they are not but you seem confused,You condemn me for my morality that opposese murder and lying and stealing etc....You call that barbaric.It is you that present these animalistic behaviors as the governors of your morality.Not me.I am human and have higher standards than you and your animal virtues,Keep ranting.I dont require as much space to shut you down.Still,glad to see your childish activities are full.

[epshot]

@kwil46 Also, mr. superior-vocabulary, you should re-read your definition of "theory" and place it into context with scientific "theory". You will then maybe realise that the Theory of Evolution is a culmination of factual evidence that leads to the rational idea that the complex life we see today, including humans, evolved from simpler organisms over time. It's such a simple concept. Theory = A group of FACTS! Wow! Was that hard for you to understand?

[kwil46]

@epshot

Please explain FC,IC,fossil gaps,probabilistic discrepancies,etc...with your theory,You cant.Only offer other theories (aka educated-or not-guesses). Ranting does naught but make you seem more ignorant.If you must shout your beliefs then you are either insecure or immature or both.I say both.But,please rant away and maybe you may convince yourself one day.

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@kwil46 You are one of those silly "It's just a theory" creationists with no real argument. It's more a theorum than a theory, as not you or anyone you know could present a single piece of evidence that contradicts the (Theorum) of evolution. That is a fact as well. A fact that has been added to my "kwil46 theory" database. It is clear you have not even the slightest of understandings of the natural world. Just another Ivory Tower thinker that only the irrational could take seriously.

[kwil46]

@epshot

I believe you cant differentiate between facts,opinions,theories, and beliefs.But then again,you clearly have proven you are not a thinker,ivory tower or otherwise.Just a ranting bigot unable to contend maturely with critical differences of opinions.Like most children,you huf and puff and curse and stomp around in your sand box.Careful you dont injure yourself.

[epshot]

@kwil46 just like every other theist, you avoid the real argument by arguing about how to argue instead of touching on the issues. Theory (as applies to science): "a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world; an organized system of accepted knowledge that applies in a variety of circumstances to explain a specific set of phenomena; "theories can incorporate facts and laws and tested hypotheses"; "true in fact and theory"

[kwil46]

@epshot

True absolute scientific fact is observeable and repeatable.Please repeat evolutionary changes. "..a well-substantiated explanation..." also includes vast amount of presumption,unverifiable data,and guesstimations.This is all well and good and necessary.the problem arises when arrogance leads you to illogically assert these are all irrefuteble facts.

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@kwil46 Well let's see, where do I start? I'm not sure what FC means but I'll assume IC is Irridecuible Complexity. Irredducible complexity is a bad argument in itself. A half evolved eye is better than no eye at all, as is a half evolved wing. Some organisms have eye site that is only but a detection of the presence of light or not, and some organisms have eye site can detect prey from 100's of meters, in both cases it's better than being blind.

[kwil46]

@epshot

FC is not IC, and your illustration reveals your lack of understanding what IC itself is.Next...

[epshot]

@kwil46 Irreducible complexity means that if you took any one part of, say a machine, or an organism, away it would not be able to function, or in an organisms case, live.

I know what It means, but you don't seem to get that this is not an argument because organisms evolve gradually. an eyeball doesn't pop into existence. it evolves into it's current form.

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@kwil46 Next, The Fossil gap. Wow this is a dead horse well beaten. It should be commen knowledge by now, even to grade 6 science students are even young children who read books about COOL DINOSAURS! that only a very small fraction of all organisms that ever lived and died will leave behind fossils of their skeletons. Fossils need to form under proper conditions, and even if they did, there is always the possability over geological time they can be destroyed. Simple enough?

[kwil46]

@epshot

Mathematically speaking,for each specie to have evolved required millioins of years,mistakes,and subsewuent special levels.Each of which should have generated thousands of fossils.Multiply each of these by the thousands of different species and we should be tripping over fossils.Yet,we are not.Also,the creative way 'scientists'can take a single tooth or bone and reconstruct an entire animal amazes even Pixar.

Next...

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@kwil46 Mathematically speaking? Please let's see your numbers. Fossils form, as i stated, under specific conditions over long periods of time. Your assumption is based on some idiotic idea that every animal that dies leaves behind a perfect skeleton, and then that skeleton sinks into the ground perfectly, and then the process of fossilization begins immediately, and then when it's a fossil, it conviently pops back up to the surface again for us to see. This is your "Fossil theory" and it's shit

[kwil46]

@epshot

Again your ignorant arrogance blinds you to being truly scientific and objective.I will dumb it down for you:

thousands of species x millions of changes x millions of years = millions of fossils (if true). While we have vast amounts of fossils,there is in no way sufficient quantities to account for this 'theory'. Also,there has yet to be found a single fossil demonstrating a special change from A to B (no missing link so to say)

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@kwil46 Wow. This argument is pretty close to being just ignored. You read too much kent hovand and ray comfort, obviously. There are tons of intermediate fossils. Tons. Even just within the human fossil record. There are TONS of intermediates. You can go to a museum and see them, touch them. Please do. A to B is once again a silly theist "All or nothing" argument that is just makes you look so... stupid. There's just no other word for it. Proof, to you, would be shaking hand with bigfoot. Done.

[kwil46]

@epshot

Never heard of Hovind. A to B is the truest definiton of evolution.It is only the fact they realized the fallacy in the theory that continually causes them to create new parameters.As their 'facts' keep becoming weaker or proven wrong,their theories must continually be adjusted to accomodate the dogmatic approach of people like you & when you criticise them for holding fast to their beliefs it reveals your hypocrisy.

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@kwil46 A to B is in no way the truest definition. This implies a starting point and an end. The truest way to look at every fossil you see is that it is an intermediate. We humans, are not finished products. Dolphins are not finished products. Whales are not finished products. They will continue to evolve over time, but you and I will not live long enough to see it. The only end to this evolutionary process is extinction of the species.

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@kwil46 the serious problem you have is your worship of IC and worship of Gaps. Theists have an all or nothing attitute. Either something in the body works or it doesn't, either we have every specimen of fossil of every animal that ever lived, or we have nothing. rediculous. the only people with a gap in their version of reality are the theologians. as far as probability goes, probabilities work against the idea of a god but we'll have to save that for a little later.

[kwil46]

@epshot

Scientists have multiplied 'gaps' in their knowledge groupings.Thats why they must continually adjust,adapt,create,or discard theories.People of faith also have gaps.The difference is that we are not afraid to admit this,or so arrogantly ignorant to say they dont exist.Science and faith will each lead to a point of unknown.At this point,faith (hypothesizing,guessing,etc..) is utilized.Your unwillingness to admit this changes nothing.To argue elsewise is to say everything is fully known

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@kwil46 Scientists happily talk about gaps, they predict gaps within their theory. But, once an intermediate fossil is found that nestles into that gap, a theist will then say: Look now you have 2 gaps instead of 1! Theists just don't care about new evidence. There has been no evidence that contradicts evolution ever submitted for peer review that has stood up to the test! It's that easy. The evidence piles in, is ignored by bible thumpers, and no contradictary evidence carrys its own weight.

[kwil46]

@epshot

Evolutionist Stephen J. Gould said "Evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things."Origins science involves the study of historical events that occur just once and are not repeatable. We can only assemble what evidence we have and construct a plausible scenario (guessing).Evolution is a fact because a majority of scientists say so, and you are "perverse" if you do not agree.Last I checked,plurality of OPINIONS do not equate to truth,except here

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@kwil46 The easiest pill to swallow, seemingly, would be the investigator entering a crime scene. The investigator sees a recently fired pistol, a shell casing on the ground, a victim with a hole in his head, and bloody footprints running into the alley way. The victims wallet is missing, and is identified as a nice young man from around the corner, who volunteers at a local soup kitchen, and his parents said he went to buy groceries and never came home. What happened here, detective kwil?

[kwil46]

@epshot

Apples to oranges comparison.Evolution requires great imagination and creativity to formulate their puzzle boxtop. Yet,in your arrogance,you claim anything labeled 'evolution' as facts. I chose to live life without blinders on.Try it sometime, unless thats too barbaric for you since it was suggested by someone who knows animals dont determine his morality.(unlike yourself that is)

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@kwil46 You have blinders. two bibles, one on each side of your head. Which works fine for you, so when you're going about your life in tunnel vision you can use your peripheral vision to read the same verses over and over.

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@kwil46 This is more Like oranges and Tangerines, though. The point is, scientists have to look at our planet as if they are detectives, trying to put a massive amount of data and puzzle pieces together to try and make a working model of what happened before we were here. It's working quite well. I know it doesn't fit the theist model of "*poof* a man in the sky just poofed it all into existence with mere thought" but not everyone believes that crap, sorry.

[kwil46]

@epshot

And just like detectives,they most often make their best GUESS.Seems as though you want to hold onto your belief that guesses are facts so long as a pro-evolutionist is guessing.Not only evidently wrong,but blatanly hypocritical.Now,you choose to believe these best GUESSES,I choose not too.Your leap of faith is greater than mine,though we both know you are not strong enough to concede that.I know it doesn't fit the evolutionary model,but not everyone believes that crap.Agree to disagre

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@kwil46 I'll agree to disagree but I'll leave you with this: It is you who is the bigger hypocrit. And this is why: You reap the benefeits of science every day. Of Biology and Chemistry which give you an understanding of your own body, and medicines and surgery when you're ill. They give us the means of agriculture to put food on your table. You take for granted Geology, which grants us the ability to mine minerals and elements for use of consumption and creation of devices and trinkets. (con..)

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@epshot you take for granted Physics and mathematics, which gives us our computers, airplanes, automobiles, etc. All of these areas of science which support the theory of evolution. Just as they support the Theory of gravity, the Atomic theory, and the Heleocentric theory of our solar system and the theory that our planet is round. Without these sciences, the theory of evolution wouldn't exist, it is because of them that it does. You reap the benefeits of them, then turn around and spit on them.

[kwil46]

@epshot

Your last comment is as absurd and baselesss as all the rest..As I have earned my BS (thats science) , I use and admire science. It is your hypocrisy that even motivates you to make such an asinine statement.Because I dont blindly follow the fallacious reasoning in evolution in no way mitigates my appreciation of science.It is a means to learn more of creation,and its creator.Your dogmatic approach is leaving you ignorant, arrogant,and immature.

[epshot]

@kwil46 where did you get your bs? now you're just a lying sack of it. you claim to have a science degree and yet you show not a single shred of understanding for it. ah, i'll take it and run with it. no more arguing with a liar. fini.

[kwil46]

@epshot

So,because we disagre you continue to disparage me.Again you display your dogmatically blind adherence to your evolutionary faith.Thats OK.I understand that you zealots refuse to allow any possibility that your beloved theory with its many unproveable features may be wrong.Its good to seee you leave in your typical childish fashion that permeated all your comments.I hope that,in all your inane huffing and puffing,that you did not injure yourself crawling out of the sandbox.

[epshot]

@kwil46 blah blah blah. you keep saying the same things over and over. you just need to replace 'evolution theory' with 'god hypothesis' and you sum yourself up quite nicely. the only one with dogmatic and childish beliefs if you. religion = dogma. evolution = science. not the other way around. but whatever helps you sleep easier at night... and i'm sure it does.

[kwil46]

@epshot

You keep saying the same things over and over. you just need to replace 'evolution theory' with 'evolutionary hypothesis' and you sum yourself up quite nicely in your dogmatic faith in an unproveable theory.Religion = faith and evolution = dogmatic faith and science = facts (proveable) but whatever helps you sleep easier at night... and i'm sure it does.

[epshot]

@kwil46 Is it safe to theorize that he went to buy groceries, was shot with a pistol and robbed by a person who then ran into the alley way? I would think so. And the good thing about science is that when new evidence is presented, and is good solid fact, you can update your theory.

[epshot]

@kwil46 Trying to prove your bizarre and outlandish "God Hypothesis" is a catch-22, as your theory that a God exists is based on 3 things only: An outdated text, which lays out the claims set into religion, The blind faith in that those claims are true, and Personal experience. Personal experience being quite weak. Even our modern court systems see eye witness accounts as unreliable. we are more likely to mistake a shadow for a burglar, than a burglar for a shadow.

[kwil46]

@epshot

Your repressed desire to be normal is evident in the way you attack anyone opposing homosexuality. Why you choose to be aberrant is something you must deal with, but these continual diatribes reveal your inner desire to be normal and reject homosexuality.You can,we both know its a choice.

[ScienceReasonBelief]

@kwil46

Does Jing know?

[thebeatledude]

God is for ignorant people.

[zeesterlinguno]

If you're open to possibilities, you're an agnostic. Just because you have FAITH that there is no deity(s) doesn't mean atheism (which in pure form is religion). Agnosticism simply means one acknowledges that faith in ANYTHING makes a fool. How do you know perception isn't simply the only truth we'll ever know? So ancient religions, myth, based on the environment of our evolution within nature point toward some truth, that you'll never be able to scientifically perceive...

[Toraog]

The pure form of Atheism is religion?? How does lacking positive belief in a deity, form a religion?

Agnosticism means acknowledgment in faith in anything makes a fool?  Since when does agnosticism make a set acknowledgment beyond what is unknown/unknowable?

Maybe your thoughts on agnosticism and atheism are somewhat skewed...

[Rnwbman]

Yo!!

[SableTheFabled]

Dude. Is that a bong on the table? Seriously.

[PathofReason]

It's a hookah. I smoke a couple times a week. :)

[LiberalPRIEST]

Excellent Video!

[saxmanchiro]

Well spoken. Believe in what you want but don't be trying to force others to follow your dogma. Good message.

[bg0821]

I used to go to church years ago. Things I heard sometimes made sense and then not. From people on you tube I have come to a different understanding I never did before. some say there should be no atheists only agnostics because you cant prove no god. however, in this messed up world and the way tnings go, it doesn't look good for humanity. The bible mentions end times with disasters and so on, but these things have always been, not a sign of armageddon. good video.

[TruthSurge]

good vid. Being very opinionated and having a closed mind are two different things.