si sera mas carro el speed pero el neon se lo cojio y eso es lo que cuenta we jajajaja no seas pendejo si el speed no puede contra el rs menos con el srt 4 pendejo
wow greg tell us how you really feel lol, im a srt4 owner and i love it its all what you do with the car ive seen srt4s crush ms3 and visa versa its on the driver and the car and the hp to weight ratio, but if you wanna get down to it my 95 right hand drive skyline r33 well now thats a real car:)
wow greg tell us how you really feel lol, im a srt4 owner and i love it its all what you do with the car ive seen srt4s crush ms3 and visa versa its on the driver and the car and the hp to weight ratio, but if you wanna get down to it my 95 right hand drive skyline r33 well now thats a real car:)
yeh that speed3 would have killed you if the dude knew how to shift right and he's running a stock speed3 dumbass. you and your gay peace of shit Dodge Peon i'd piss on your car FAG!!!!!!
SRT-4 is a fast car right of a dealers lot but in my view mazda speed is a lot more car for the money. I drove both and neon is faster but when you look at interior, handling, and all other stuff SRT-4 is not even close to mazda. American auto industry is way behind japanese. And I wont even mention german auto industry. If you get an srt-4 and mazda speed park next to eachother and look at them you will understand what am i talking about. But hands down SRT-4 is a bit faster stock than MS3
How do you expect the MS3 to kill the srt4? Read statistics. SRT4 0-60 5.3 seconds 13.9 sec quarter mile.. Hardly any magazine can get the MS3 to 60 in under 6..The best I ever read was a 5.8 0 to 60 and a 14.1 sec quarter mile..facts don't lie
i noticed that a couple of weeks ago when i was looking at one.. it must be the turbo then. the ms3 is just a solid fast little car. i just have the m3 gt sport. not turbo or anything just a 2.3L
who ever was driving that MSP3 is a DISGRACE to all Axela ! ! ! Holly shit my mom would shit faster in her VW Fox back in the day lol and if the MSP3 was shifting right then that SKITTLE ain't stock.
You can throw a 300HP engine on a fucking red rider wagon and it'll beat the MS3, but like the neon the red rider wagon isn't really a car. Just a hunk of shit on wheels.
that mazda was pulling harder, you can see it on the second race the kid just can't shift though, why do people always bring up the cars numbers??? its all about who drives it losers
What is all the arguing about? Both cars are great cars. A stock SRT-4 will do 0-60 in 5.3 and the 1/4 mile in 13.9. A stock Mazdaspeed 3 will do 0-60 in 5.4 and the 1/4 mile in 14.0. And both of these cars are relatively inexpensive for what you get. Can't we all just get along?
not really RZEZZ PVO designed the 1st gen SRT-4 (2002).. Pvo was a joined effort by Mercedes/Mitsubishi.. engine is made i mexico.. and turbo was supposed 2 be used for a turbo potential eclipse.. that never made it so Daimler bout it..the SRT-4 engine is more Japanese enginered using the evo tech.. check it out
and oo just so u know the motor in the srt4 is not a dodge product and neither is the turbo. so when your sittin their saying that the motor and turbo setup is shitty ur actually saying that mitsu is shitty and im preeeeeeeeety sure that ms3 would get spanked by an evo.
to say that the srt4 doesnt support mods very well is the most retarded thing iver ever heard. its the peeple that go out there and get an adjustable wga and crank it up to 23 lbs when the stock turbo is only rated safely for 19 and shit blows up and they wonder wtf happened. when u mod ne car u gotta know how to mod right, i mean u just cant go throw a stage 3 turbo on a stock motor with no upgrades and expect nothing to fuck up. and wtf needs back power windows thats just added weight.
Also, knowing how to shift (esp. double-shifting on turbo-ed cars) is crucial.
Just being able to buy a "fast car" does not mean you know how to drive it fast, nor mean you know how and what to mod right off the bat. I can beat a lot of the ricers around here in my stock 90 Volvo Turbo wagon just because I know how to drive it right, and they just had their parents buy them whatever they liked more, and have little driving skill.
well my friends got a srt-4 and the only time i see it is when its in the shop or getting worked on they dont support mods very well and the on the car always fails or leeks
mazdaspeed 3 was build way better than the srt-4
new motor mounts are not expensive its like 100 bucks for the finest
im not gonan lie the srt is a great car but if u wanna get your value 4 speed and performance i would go with the mazda
srt-4 engines are narly i cant belive they can support up2 1000hp on a stock motor
It lasts longer?! And you know that, how? The SRT-4 has been out for 6 years and they hold up very well. The MS3 has been out for a year. So, yes, the MS3 has power rear windows, but they engine won't fall out of the SRT-4 like the MS3. BTW, did Mazda ever fix that engine falling out of the car thing?
for owns roughly 33% of Mazda and the only thing that changed in that buy out is Ford started putting Mazda engines in for vehicles... believe it or not Mazda makes some pretty high quality motors :)
they sure do, guy is racing a mazdaspeed3 with the same engine right now with 1300hp and running around 6 sec. quarter miles. That 2.3 DISI is a very good engine.
Technical term is indeed "hatchback". "Wagons" tend to have a full-size rear storage area and a long window, like the old Ford County Squires, or a Volvo, BMW, M-B wagon, etc. SUVs are tall wagons. A smart fortwo is a hatch. A Mazda 6 5-door is a notch, since the rear glass opens; Acura Integras/RSXs are too, as were the last Mercury Cougars.
The Neon SRT-4 will put down 220-230 horepower at the wheels. The MS3 puts down generally 10 more HP, but it weights 300 lbs more than the SRT-4 Neon.
The speed 3 and 6 have the SAME engine, but the AWD of the 6 will cause it to put down LESS power than the 3.
HAHAHA apparently you dont know what the fuuucccckkk ur talking about...neons the turbo ones come 230hp stock to the wheels like 205...mazdaspeed3 267hp to the wheels like 240+...mazdaspeed6 283hp stock to the wheels lil over 260+...i hate when little 15 year old kid trys to prove something when he doesnt even own a drivers license
but a lot of those SRT-4s are modded and the others aren't. Read the fine print or the descriptions, please. SRTs have a LOT of mods out there for them, and cheap, which is great for them, but it's still a cheaply-built car, and still a Neon, and if the turbo blows, the engine will barely limp you to a repair shop. If I had $25K to spend on a new car, I'd get the Mazdaspeed3 hands down. Beats the Civic Si, cheaper than GTI, Calibers suck, and Cobalts are cheaply built too. HHRs are worse.
no way that srt4 was stock and the guy in the mazda cant drive for shiit...cuz those lil mazdas can eat the shiit out of srt4's i mean its a freaking neon
ARE U AN IDIOT? LMFAO every part in a srt is mopar performance parts, it is not even close to just a neon retard- stock over 250whp mazdaspeeds are slow as fuck stock, they are a good race for a cobalt ss but not a srt-4 sorry you dumb jap
Your stupidity makes me chuckle....I own my second ms3 as of 2/20/08 and i know for a fact a stock srt-4 will lose to a stock ms3 with me in the driver seat! I dont know where you got your info from but in texas my ms3 puts down 260hp/ 280tq according to factory. Also a srt-4 is NOT all mopar parts its a regular dodge neon with a turbocharged motor! Do you like shitty handling and braking? How about voiding your factory warranty from installing a CAI? OH and dont forget your driving a NEON
Wow, someone on youtube actually knows their cars. He's right. I'm a SRT-4 lover but I have to give the MS3 LOTS of credit. The SRT-4 was the only FWD car hitting 0-60 in the low fives until this car came along. Now we have some competition!
there are also lots of shit out 4 srt-4 ms3 just came to the scene n still shit on srt-4s there fast but wanabe jap its AMERICAN plain n simple n a NEON when ms3 mods come out see ya srt-4 be up there w/evos n sti
you people and you this has more power than that so it should be faster shit kills me man its not how much power you put out its how you tune and harness that power and put to the ground HENCE the nickname tuners and te srt-4 has better tuning which is why it won and i know this cause i won one
lol there are plenty of videos of MS3s beating SRT4s. I have a feeling that that MS3 driver just sucks at driving. No way a MS3 should have lost like that.
I was playing around with an SRT4 last night in my speed3. I pulled on him every time, 40-80, 70-100, it was pretty evenly matched overall. Dunno about his mods, had a loud bov and exhaust at least. I just have a CAI. Both nice cars!
My SRT-4 kept up with a 440 BHP (flywheel hp) Mustang GT in the 1/4 mile. His 12.71 to my 12.74. What does that mean, he pumpes out about 340-350 hp to the wheels. The wheel hp is what is important. The flywheel hp is just so that you can say WOW!!!
I just don't understand why people have got to be suck d*cks about this stuff. All the cars perform well. Some have better options than others, but honestly I think they are all about the same powerwise give or take 10-20 whp which is what is important.
I have intake, downpipe, cad back and springs. If you doubt check out the vid speed 6 vs. speed 3 and you'll see what happens...case closed! Plus both your cars only go in straight lines...you can't argue that RZEZZ.
I am pretty sure...... nope I am sure, I have seen plenty of SRT-4's road racing and not just drag racing. So what is your answer to that? Care to change your statement? Just to make sure you remember what you said,"Plus both your cars only go in straight lines...you can't argue with that RZEZZ". If I could highlight it for ya it would be can only go in striaght lines part.
Simple answer, get a Speed6 instead! Some extra pounds but hey, drive in the winter or on slick surfaces and WOW! It'll outpull both the MS3 and STR-4, extra pounds and all. I've raced both and its TRUE. AWD take-off is unrivaled. Plus if you want to do some REAL racing (on a road with curves), again the MS3 and SRT-4 get left behind. An STi might beat me in the corners but I can actually take some friends out for a drive in comfort! Plus I still have $15,000 extra in my bank!
You must have picked on some poor drivers, because the SRT-4 and MS3 both run faster 1/4 mile times with a higher trap speed. The Speed6 will especially lose from a roll since the SRT-4 and MS3 both lighter and have about 20 more horsepower at the wheels. Nice try.
Oh my god this has got to be the new "SRT-4", by that I mean MS3, excuse. I own a MS3 so I am a driving god. Nothing can beat the MS3. Stock vs Stock they are basically equal cars, try to get equal drivers in both and the outcome will probably be an equal race. One car might win due to beater/earlier shifting or alittle more traction. But equal. Why can't we all just get along.
crowdcontrol, you are correct. I've tried the same thing. However, there are some people that do not understand wheel horsepower and simply look at the 263 hp Mazda claims in their brochure and call it case closed. But like you and I have both said, it's a driver's race with a slight edge towards the SRT-4.
I would also like to add that the SRT-4s only seem to pull those MS3s on the quarter mile near the very end, when shifting into 4th gear. They jump just a bit, making that average of about .2 seconds difference between the two. Most likely the little extra torque the SRT has. SRT-4s only start to pull up at the higher speeds.
When it comes to corners its different however. Just a bit though. In that video it seemed the SRT got a jump on the first race and I seriously doubt the MS3 owner was powershifting. He probably either didn't know how or didn't want to risk ruining his transmission.
This was the first video of these two cars racing I had seen a while back. I didn't believe it one bit, and recently I obtained an SRT-4. I lined up with one of those MS3s and my thoughts were right. From a dig I barely pulled them, and from a roll its the same scenario. Full out driving the cars are almost dead even, with an SRT having a slight advantage in straight line performance.
he probably doesnt know the car yet and took his RPMs to 7,000 even though the computer starts to close the throttle body at 6k...most speeds shift at 5500...anytime after 5800 and your hurting yourself
correct me if i'm wrong...doesn't mazda offer a dealer option to bring the speed3 up to 300 horsepower? Almost like the Mopar higher stages for the SRT4
I've never heard of a 300 hp factory option from Mazda, however, if true, I'd wouldn't trust that thing to get me to the local grocery store. If the engines fall out of the MS3's with stock power, I'd hate to see what that would do.
Whoa there Para. We're discussing turbo 4's, not a regular Mazda 3. The regular mazda 3 quite a bit off the mark. Just so you know, a Toyota Sienna minivan will do 0-60 in 6.7 seconds, thus putting the hurt on your NA 4 cylinder. :)
dawg I thought that mayb is cause I didhnt drie da car gud but check my vid out its stock for stock i got ma ass spank but pretty much even look it up as "srt-4 v.s mazdaspeed 3"
has anyone seen or does anyone have vids of racing ms3 vs srt-4 not on a straight line...just to see which one handles better ..more agile....i think that would be more interesting...
stock for stock with 2 good drivers, the ms3 is gonna have the edge. i own an ms3 and my bro is buying an srt, cuz like alot of you guys, he is a neon fanboy. myself, i like to have some creature comforts, especially power windows in the back, while i'm smacking your srt up and down the highway.
RZEZZ get your facts straight! The 3 chassis was designed by Volvo, is used in the european Ford Focus, Mazda3, and Volvo?. Suspension designed by Mazda for the 3. Mazda is doing well right now, how is Dodge fairing? Oh they are being sold, thats right.
But in all cases... stop bitching people unless you accually have proof of your shit :P SRT-4 stock vs mazda speed 3 stock the mazda will own, stage 2 SRT-4 vs mazda speed 3 the SRT-4 wins even from a dig :P and with the stage 2 srt you still wont come close to the price of the mazda :P
Buddy just got a mazda 3 speed, that car is one hell of a sleeper, Im SRT-4 stage 2, with AGP wga, 225 goodyear F1's and motor mounts, friend was bone stock mazda speed 3, I had friend of mine ( extra 190lbs ) in the car with me buddy with mazda speed had just him in it
and we raced from a dig and at 110mph I was only about 2.5 car lengths ahead of him, from a roll of 20mph was a bit more but damn those mazda speed 3s are hell of a fast car, but of course with all my mods and stuff im still not close to his sticker price :) But still very nice car. Took till 3rd gear then pulled 1.5 car lengths on him and at mid range 4th pulled another car length and as we climbed past 110 I was gaining slowly on him, then stoped at around 120
HAHA i love how "i interpret" that the srt4 wanted to race from a roll..... lame yea... you guys shouldve raced from a dig EVERYONE knows that SRT4 owners only race from a roll because thats when their cars torque curve changes into their advantage... IN OTHER WORDS id have the mazda3 =) one hell of a sleeper
Dude you obviously dont know what you are talking about my cousin work in ocean mazda and KONWS mazda3 are made and DESIGNED in japan!!!! Dude i dont know who is telling you this stuff but tell them to go and read them car magazines/books again and tell him/her to wear glasses this time!!!
Obviously the dude driving the MS3 is a crap driver. I've seen these things waste plenty of SRT-4's.
I had to choose I'd definitely go for the MS3. Just seems like a nicer car, even if it is a bit heavier/bigger/not as fast, whatever. Plus it's not a fucking dodge.
great, that is useful to me when I am in the front seat. :) "if" I have passengers, which is rare, then they can hand crand down their own windows. Except for letting my dog have some air back there when she is in the car the rear windows stay up all the time. So what do I care. My other comment I will keep to myself out of respect for a friend of mine with an MS3.
alright alright... i will get video evidence of my car against stock srt-4's then and reply with a video responce to show you'll the truth, sure they get a small jump in 2nd but after that the speed 3 pulls on them if they are both stock! I will get some srt-4 times from midnight races at the track also to show you their times too!
did you ever think of altitude...??? I live up higher maybe, and ran a 13.964. a stock srt 4 at the same race track ran a 14.6 lol... then another one with intake and exhaust ran a 14.245, and my friends who is all stage 2 ran a 13.209
Altitude, ambient temp, RH, track condition, vehicle condition (boost leaks?) and the biggest factor, driver skill. I saw a MS3 2 weeks ago run a 15.0. So what? All things being equal, the SRT-4 is slightly quicker. It has a slightly higher power to weight ratio. Period. This has nothing to do with the MS3 being a very nice car.
Thats what I think personally, but I don't want a shitstorm of mag racers yelling at me. I don't deal well with that. Yes I drive an SRT-4. Yes it looks like a Skittle. Yes we don't look as pretty or have roll down rear windows, but I like my fucking Skittle. I personally believe we are just a tad quicker stock for stock.
you believe everything they put in a magazine??? all srt-4 reviews are almost 2 years old, I just had my friend come with me to a dyno. he drives a stock srt-4 it's hp was 224 WHP mine was 238 WHP and i have a stock speed 3. The torque settings for the speed 3 are much better. the quarter mile for an srt 4 is 14.5-14.9, the quarter mile for the speed 3 is 14-14.4. and might i add the srt-4 has .1 liters on the speed 3!
Another mag racer. Dude, you're way off on the 1/4 mile times. Even being a mag racer, you're still wrong. Check Motortrend's 13.8 during the Cobalt SS comparison. Average SRT-4 run is a 14.0.
As far as HP, to have the same power to weight ratio, the MS3 MUST have at least 20 more HP than the SRT to be equal. On average, the MS3 falls short of matching the SRT-4 power to weight ratio.
All the reviews I've read on the 04 SRT-4 have it at 0-60 anywhere from 5.3 -5.8 sec. Personally I've had mine 0-60 in 5.4 measured at the drag strip (not g-tech) with stock tires so a 5.3 isn't out of the question. The reviews for the M3S are anywhere from 5.8-5.9 same Mag reviewers for both cars. Just google it.
The M3S is nice but the SRT-4 is geared lower, weighs less and makes the same dynoed WHP as the speed. The SRT-4 doesn't have the nice interior or pretty Nav system but it is faster stock vs stock so if that's all you care about there you go.
gah... my ass that srt-4 is stock unless the driver of the MS3 can't drive, and don't ever say bye bye to another drive. that proves you're too cocky for your own good.!!! i know that srt 4 isn't stock especially pulling a speed 3 through top end! Bring your slow pos here and i'll smoke ya if it's stock!
I have driven both and would they they are very similar with the speed having more Hp but more weight also. The SRt is puchier in 1st and 2nd gear. The mazda is boost limited in the first 3 gears. It has more ECU nannies. I would say its a drivers race unless it reaches hwy speeds then the mazda would edge it out. MS3 seem to be dynoing 245-255whp on dynapacks.
The driver is me, all of you are right i do suck at driving, because i dont race every five min. I just enjoy having a sweet car i can buy stuff for and have fun with. Also this was before my motor mount broke, the bolt was lose (not known to me at the time) making it very difficult for me to shift under heavy acceleration. Also on the second race there was a car in front of me in my lane so i slowed down.
If this is legit then there you go. By the way I drive an SRT-4 and can personally say its a drivers race, so the bickering you people are doing is pointless. SRT weighs less, while the Mazda has an extra gear. Its a DRIVERS RACE. I've driven both and can say this from experience.
this is bullshit cause ive raced both srt4 and ms3 and only one that beat me was the ms3 ohh and im not hateing cause i have an integra with a type r motor with bolt-ons and thats how i know this is bullshit
Well, I call BS on you MS3 people because both cars have the same whp stock, but the SRT-4 weighs 260 lbs less. Physics FTW! Anyways, in reality, both cars are very close; close enough that the manufacturing tolerances from car to car are enough to put either in front of the other.
This guy knows nothing about either car except what he reads in mags! HAHAHAHAH! He also doesn't know what "WHP" means. HAHAHAHA! Think before you post ignorant crap.
Look, dude. Google both car and tell me how much power each car puts TO THE WHEELS! On average, it's the same. Get a clue. Same HP, less weight, SRT-4 wins by a nose.
BHP is flywheel power. WHP is power at the wheels. MS3 rated @ flywheel, SRT-4 rated @ wheels. Power goes through the flywheel to get to the wheels. So your MS3 probably loses 20-30 hp through the drive train making it about 230-240hp at the wheels. If you do the same conversion for the SRT-4 in the opposite direction the SRT-4 is about 260 hp at the flywheel. Last I checked, but this might be above your kindagarden edjucation level, 260 = 260.
Don't ge me wrong I am not hating on the MS3 or MS6. I like both cars. I think the MS6 looks great for a sedan turbo charged car. Kind of classy, pretty fast from the factory. A+ in my book. Same with the MS3, fast, handles well, Traction control. LOL, wish my car came with that stock, but I will have to settle for my aftermarket TCS. :)
Thats not true, i've seen (with my own eyes) both car been dynoed and the Mazda pulled out 10hp more and i think it was like 15 pounds of thorque more!!!!! So bs that jid!!
Oh, so the one you saw had 10 more hp? Do the math, jack. MS3 = 3180lbs / 240 hp = 13.25 lbs/hp. SRT-4 = 2900 lbs / 230 hp = 12.61 lbs/hp. That puts the power to weight ratio into the SRT-4's advantage by 5.1%. Cool wagon, but still just a tad short.
You need to learn a little thing about net, or wheel horsepower. Car manufacturers can claim all kinds of different HP amounts on paper (typically they list flywheel hp), but what counts is the power that actually gets to the ground. While the Mazda brochure lists 260 hp, a MS3 generally has between 230-240 hp at the wheels, or whp. The SRT-4 brochure lists 230 hp, but has between 220-230 whp. The SRT-4 weighs 300 lbs less, making it a drivers race between the two.
Okay ya know i figured i'd do some homework no this and i had to look no farther than the dudes page. He's got video of him pulling on an STI. Video was posted early Feb. The speed3 video was posted Nov24 so the car was brand new not broken in and new driver. I got my speed first one delivered withing 100miles Nov 4. SOOOO I have to say it's odd that you raced the MS3 stock and then three months later were walking and STI. I now think the video is bogus.
Look i'm not gonna flame the neon for being a neon or the MS3 driver for possibly being un skilled, but this is all wrong. I've played with SRT-4's before and they could'nt keep up. And these were guys with minor bolt on's. I'm sorry but I personally know that the MS3 is faster. They could'nt have all been stupid Neon owners...... Please, this is my real life experience so take it for everything it's worth.
those little neons are pretty sweet . but I have a ms3 and this thing is fast as hell . the second time its pretty apparent everytime the speeds boost hit he pulled easy then his brake lights come on.
edge it out? it got spanked
ospray911 7 months ago
si sera mas carro el speed pero el neon se lo cojio y eso es lo que cuenta we jajajaja no seas pendejo si el speed no puede contra el rs menos con el srt 4 pendejo
DAVID11580 10 months ago
@DAVID11580 Si wey pero el Neon esta tocado y el MS3 esta stock wey !!!
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wow greg tell us how you really feel lol, im a srt4 owner and i love it its all what you do with the car ive seen srt4s crush ms3 and visa versa its on the driver and the car and the hp to weight ratio, but if you wanna get down to it my 95 right hand drive skyline r33 well now thats a real car:)
BELAIR117 1 year ago
wow greg tell us how you really feel lol, im a srt4 owner and i love it its all what you do with the car ive seen srt4s crush ms3 and visa versa its on the driver and the car and the hp to weight ratio, but if you wanna get down to it my 95 right hand drive skyline r33 well now thats a real car:)
BELAIR117 1 year ago
@BELAIR117 I'll race you, where do you reside?
krammer66 1 year ago
yeh that speed3 would have killed you if the dude knew how to shift right and he's running a stock speed3 dumbass. you and your gay peace of shit Dodge Peon i'd piss on your car FAG!!!!!!
greg5296 1 year ago
SRT-4 is a fast car right of a dealers lot but in my view mazda speed is a lot more car for the money. I drove both and neon is faster but when you look at interior, handling, and all other stuff SRT-4 is not even close to mazda. American auto industry is way behind japanese. And I wont even mention german auto industry. If you get an srt-4 and mazda speed park next to eachother and look at them you will understand what am i talking about. But hands down SRT-4 is a bit faster stock than MS3
gtruhljo 1 year ago
the srt 4 still the king of turbo FWD
viziuz64 2 years ago
listen to the second race.... ms3 is a granny shifter. super slow. but yea, drivers race stock to stock
courtsm3 3 years ago 3
srt4 wasn't even stock....if it was the ms3 should have kill it
jdcha9163 3 years ago 3
you also have to think about body weight.
blahblah132hgfh 2 years ago
How do you expect the MS3 to kill the srt4? Read statistics. SRT4 0-60 5.3 seconds 13.9 sec quarter mile.. Hardly any magazine can get the MS3 to 60 in under 6..The best I ever read was a 5.8 0 to 60 and a 14.1 sec quarter mile..facts don't lie
Alunalake 2 years ago
so does the MS3. quite a few people have run 13.9's. and some have gotten 13.8. i think one person achieved 13.7 all stock.
go over to mazdas247 . c o m and seach " Bone stock 09 Drag results"
sycomantz 2 years ago
drivers race stock vs stock
xnbastar1669 3 years ago
RolF! "just go whenever your ready". That's what I say in my srt4 whenever I race ANYTHING! LoL!
ELPacman 3 years ago
the mazdaspeed3 has a bigger engine and more horsepower and tork. it is faster that driver was just a pussy
MurrMan23 3 years ago 5
actually ur right but ur wrong lol, i went from a srt 4 full bolt on to ms3, an the s3 is fater stock but the engine is a 2.3 the srt is a 2.4 lol
1bad04srt4 3 years ago
i noticed that a couple of weeks ago when i was looking at one.. it must be the turbo then. the ms3 is just a solid fast little car. i just have the m3 gt sport. not turbo or anything just a 2.3L
MurrMan23 3 years ago
who ever was driving that MSP3 is a DISGRACE to all Axela ! ! ! Holly shit my mom would shit faster in her VW Fox back in the day lol and if the MSP3 was shifting right then that SKITTLE ain't stock.
johnaricape 3 years ago
You can throw a 300HP engine on a fucking red rider wagon and it'll beat the MS3, but like the neon the red rider wagon isn't really a car. Just a hunk of shit on wheels.
mesamike85 3 years ago
SRT-4 FTW!
astrosmonkey 3 years ago
that mazda was pulling harder, you can see it on the second race the kid just can't shift though, why do people always bring up the cars numbers??? its all about who drives it losers
rucvr 3 years ago
Its a drivers race clowns.... Also the SRT-4 will do 0-60 in 5.4
SuzukiGSXR600kiDd 3 years ago
Actually its 6.1 according to Road & Track.
Brains1977 3 years ago
What is all the arguing about? Both cars are great cars. A stock SRT-4 will do 0-60 in 5.3 and the 1/4 mile in 13.9. A stock Mazdaspeed 3 will do 0-60 in 5.4 and the 1/4 mile in 14.0. And both of these cars are relatively inexpensive for what you get. Can't we all just get along?
monr3721 3 years ago
0-60 in 5.3 for the srt4? Dude, what dreamworld are you living in?
Alexsered 3 years ago
whoever is driving that speed3 couldn't shift if his life depended on it.
garrettej8 3 years ago 6
either crappy shifting or not stock neon, I walk stock neons when I was stock in my mazdaspeed3
Alexsered 3 years ago
Mazdaspeed3 > Shitty Neon
Chorizo9586 3 years ago 3
not really RZEZZ PVO designed the 1st gen SRT-4 (2002).. Pvo was a joined effort by Mercedes/Mitsubishi.. engine is made i mexico.. and turbo was supposed 2 be used for a turbo potential eclipse.. that never made it so Daimler bout it..the SRT-4 engine is more Japanese enginered using the evo tech.. check it out
MoparDRVR 3 years ago
you get what you pay for, a neon is a neon
iSnipedBambi 3 years ago 4
Totally, I would rather have the MazdaSpeed. So much more car, who cares if a crappy neon can edge it out in highway acceleration?
Ampeg567 3 years ago 6
obviously you...
SpdDemon69 3 years ago
@Ampeg567 and so much more money.... durr.
bs19516 1 year ago
so if i payed 2 bucks to a pimp i would get ur girl?
SpdDemon69 3 years ago
there is no other 4 cylinder out there that can match the srt4 mod for mod and dollar for dollar.
blacksrt407 3 years ago
cobalt ss is comin we'll see then
SpdDemon69 3 years ago
and crap for crap
kamil511 3 years ago
and oo just so u know the motor in the srt4 is not a dodge product and neither is the turbo. so when your sittin their saying that the motor and turbo setup is shitty ur actually saying that mitsu is shitty and im preeeeeeeeety sure that ms3 would get spanked by an evo.
blacksrt407 3 years ago
Actually, the engine is all Chrysler. The turbo itself is from Mitsu.
RZEZZ 3 years ago
to say that the srt4 doesnt support mods very well is the most retarded thing iver ever heard. its the peeple that go out there and get an adjustable wga and crank it up to 23 lbs when the stock turbo is only rated safely for 19 and shit blows up and they wonder wtf happened. when u mod ne car u gotta know how to mod right, i mean u just cant go throw a stage 3 turbo on a stock motor with no upgrades and expect nothing to fuck up. and wtf needs back power windows thats just added weight.
blacksrt407 3 years ago
Yes. Very yes.
Also, knowing how to shift (esp. double-shifting on turbo-ed cars) is crucial.
Just being able to buy a "fast car" does not mean you know how to drive it fast, nor mean you know how and what to mod right off the bat. I can beat a lot of the ricers around here in my stock 90 Volvo Turbo wagon just because I know how to drive it right, and they just had their parents buy them whatever they liked more, and have little driving skill.
compassstl 3 years ago
well my friends got a srt-4 and the only time i see it is when its in the shop or getting worked on they dont support mods very well and the on the car always fails or leeks
mazdaspeed 3 was build way better than the srt-4
new motor mounts are not expensive its like 100 bucks for the finest
im not gonan lie the srt is a great car but if u wanna get your value 4 speed and performance i would go with the mazda
srt-4 engines are narly i cant belive they can support up2 1000hp on a stock motor
farsi112 3 years ago
the srt-4 stock < mazdaspeed3 stock
its just a fact when the speed hits 3rd shits over try dont watch this shity vid
mazdaspeed3 will own the srt-4 in every catagory
ya the srt-4 off the line will probably beat ms3 just because the speed is limited in first 2 gears but after that shits over!
mazdaspeed3 last longer than srt any way and look a lot better than thatshit
and u accualy get powerwindows in the back :)
farsi112 3 years ago
It lasts longer?! And you know that, how? The SRT-4 has been out for 6 years and they hold up very well. The MS3 has been out for a year. So, yes, the MS3 has power rear windows, but they engine won't fall out of the SRT-4 like the MS3. BTW, did Mazda ever fix that engine falling out of the car thing?
RZEZZ 3 years ago
lol your right not to mention mazda is owned by ford need i say more ....
f2ast00 3 years ago
for owns roughly 33% of Mazda and the only thing that changed in that buy out is Ford started putting Mazda engines in for vehicles... believe it or not Mazda makes some pretty high quality motors :)
ShadowSolution08 3 years ago 2
they sure do, guy is racing a mazdaspeed3 with the same engine right now with 1300hp and running around 6 sec. quarter miles. That 2.3 DISI is a very good engine.
Alexsered 3 years ago
Nope. It's a wagon. Denial isn't the only river in Egypt.
RZEZZ 3 years ago
Its a hatchbcak you dumb ass.
artinnem 3 years ago
Technical term is indeed "hatchback". "Wagons" tend to have a full-size rear storage area and a long window, like the old Ford County Squires, or a Volvo, BMW, M-B wagon, etc. SUVs are tall wagons. A smart fortwo is a hatch. A Mazda 6 5-door is a notch, since the rear glass opens; Acura Integras/RSXs are too, as were the last Mercury Cougars.
Everyone clear now?
compassstl 3 years ago
The Neon SRT-4 will put down 220-230 horepower at the wheels. The MS3 puts down generally 10 more HP, but it weights 300 lbs more than the SRT-4 Neon.
The speed 3 and 6 have the SAME engine, but the AWD of the 6 will cause it to put down LESS power than the 3.
Don't forget, you're driving a jap station wagon.
RZEZZ 4 years ago
HAHAHA apparently you dont know what the fuuucccckkk ur talking about...neons the turbo ones come 230hp stock to the wheels like 205...mazdaspeed3 267hp to the wheels like 240+...mazdaspeed6 283hp stock to the wheels lil over 260+...i hate when little 15 year old kid trys to prove something when he doesnt even own a drivers license
adis17 4 years ago
almost every video i have ever seen with srt-4 vs mazdaspeed 6 or 3 the srt wins always face it
GREENMARINE420 4 years ago
but a lot of those SRT-4s are modded and the others aren't. Read the fine print or the descriptions, please. SRTs have a LOT of mods out there for them, and cheap, which is great for them, but it's still a cheaply-built car, and still a Neon, and if the turbo blows, the engine will barely limp you to a repair shop. If I had $25K to spend on a new car, I'd get the Mazdaspeed3 hands down. Beats the Civic Si, cheaper than GTI, Calibers suck, and Cobalts are cheaply built too. HHRs are worse.
compassstl 3 years ago 2
ricer got eatn, mazdaspeed stock cannot compare to a stock srt-4!
srt4 come stock over 250hp 18psi with a fue mods easy over 300hp with stock turbo
GREENMARINE420 4 years ago
no way that srt4 was stock and the guy in the mazda cant drive for shiit...cuz those lil mazdas can eat the shiit out of srt4's i mean its a freaking neon
adis17 4 years ago
ARE U AN IDIOT? LMFAO every part in a srt is mopar performance parts, it is not even close to just a neon retard- stock over 250whp mazdaspeeds are slow as fuck stock, they are a good race for a cobalt ss but not a srt-4 sorry you dumb jap
GREENMARINE420 4 years ago
Your stupidity makes me chuckle....I own my second ms3 as of 2/20/08 and i know for a fact a stock srt-4 will lose to a stock ms3 with me in the driver seat! I dont know where you got your info from but in texas my ms3 puts down 260hp/ 280tq according to factory. Also a srt-4 is NOT all mopar parts its a regular dodge neon with a turbocharged motor! Do you like shitty handling and braking? How about voiding your factory warranty from installing a CAI? OH and dont forget your driving a NEON
crobinson1836 4 years ago
soft
chako135 4 years ago
Horrible Driver.
PanoramaS3S 4 years ago
thanks for the jerk taling 3 seconds in between gears make the speed3 look slow but no way is that true
oWASTINGTIMEo 4 years ago
Wow, someone on youtube actually knows their cars. He's right. I'm a SRT-4 lover but I have to give the MS3 LOTS of credit. The SRT-4 was the only FWD car hitting 0-60 in the low fives until this car came along. Now we have some competition!
iTurboSrt4 4 years ago 2
try takin a turn at 60 so i can LMAO see what happens
mjtoral 4 years ago
there are also lots of shit out 4 srt-4 ms3 just came to the scene n still shit on srt-4s there fast but wanabe jap its AMERICAN plain n simple n a NEON when ms3 mods come out see ya srt-4 be up there w/evos n sti
mjtoral 4 years ago
Yeah a MS3 would f'n detory a Srt4, period. Mazdaspeed3's are just badass end of story!
sedansi0777 4 years ago
It would be close stock for stock, and when it comes to mods, SRT > Mazdaspeed 3.
Annihilator95 4 years ago
LMAO! Srt-4 Neons still holds the record for having the fastest FWD times. What are you talking about?
iTurboSrt4 4 years ago
turbo srt4 you need to die you hate on everything
dreadfest 4 years ago
You need a girlfriend so you can stop stalking me!
iTurboSrt4 4 years ago
I'm not stalking you just run your mouth everywhere.
dreadfest 4 years ago
SRT`S SUX!!! MAZDA RULZ!!
PSYORSH 4 years ago
sorry i meant OWN not won
jxmann 4 years ago
you people and you this has more power than that so it should be faster shit kills me man its not how much power you put out its how you tune and harness that power and put to the ground HENCE the nickname tuners and te srt-4 has better tuning which is why it won and i know this cause i won one
jxmann 4 years ago
Get a damn Subaru and step in the light young lads...christ
dieselmatty01 4 years ago
al ratoo mazditaa jaja
shurrus 4 years ago
usted no puede deletrear
RZEZZ 4 years ago
lol there are plenty of videos of MS3s beating SRT4s. I have a feeling that that MS3 driver just sucks at driving. No way a MS3 should have lost like that.
mcromance1 4 years ago
I was playing around with an SRT4 last night in my speed3. I pulled on him every time, 40-80, 70-100, it was pretty evenly matched overall. Dunno about his mods, had a loud bov and exhaust at least. I just have a CAI. Both nice cars!
aaronc7 4 years ago
speed3 be killin'
jkasper75 4 years ago
My SRT-4 kept up with a 440 BHP (flywheel hp) Mustang GT in the 1/4 mile. His 12.71 to my 12.74. What does that mean, he pumpes out about 340-350 hp to the wheels. The wheel hp is what is important. The flywheel hp is just so that you can say WOW!!!
scottw03 4 years ago
I just don't understand why people have got to be suck d*cks about this stuff. All the cars perform well. Some have better options than others, but honestly I think they are all about the same powerwise give or take 10-20 whp which is what is important.
scottw03 4 years ago
LMAO he said "just go whenever ur ready" that's the ultimate disrespect lmaooooooooo
AJ86 4 years ago
I have intake, downpipe, cad back and springs. If you doubt check out the vid speed 6 vs. speed 3 and you'll see what happens...case closed! Plus both your cars only go in straight lines...you can't argue that RZEZZ.
levackboy 4 years ago
I am pretty sure...... nope I am sure, I have seen plenty of SRT-4's road racing and not just drag racing. So what is your answer to that? Care to change your statement? Just to make sure you remember what you said,"Plus both your cars only go in straight lines...you can't argue with that RZEZZ". If I could highlight it for ya it would be can only go in striaght lines part.
scottw03 4 years ago
Simple answer, get a Speed6 instead! Some extra pounds but hey, drive in the winter or on slick surfaces and WOW! It'll outpull both the MS3 and STR-4, extra pounds and all. I've raced both and its TRUE. AWD take-off is unrivaled. Plus if you want to do some REAL racing (on a road with curves), again the MS3 and SRT-4 get left behind. An STi might beat me in the corners but I can actually take some friends out for a drive in comfort! Plus I still have $15,000 extra in my bank!
levackboy 4 years ago
You must have picked on some poor drivers, because the SRT-4 and MS3 both run faster 1/4 mile times with a higher trap speed. The Speed6 will especially lose from a roll since the SRT-4 and MS3 both lighter and have about 20 more horsepower at the wheels. Nice try.
RZEZZ 4 years ago
Oh my god this has got to be the new "SRT-4", by that I mean MS3, excuse. I own a MS3 so I am a driving god. Nothing can beat the MS3. Stock vs Stock they are basically equal cars, try to get equal drivers in both and the outcome will probably be an equal race. One car might win due to beater/earlier shifting or alittle more traction. But equal. Why can't we all just get along.
scottw03 4 years ago
good song..I rock this out in Guitar hero II
b00stedrust 4 years ago
crowdcontrol, you are correct. I've tried the same thing. However, there are some people that do not understand wheel horsepower and simply look at the 263 hp Mazda claims in their brochure and call it case closed. But like you and I have both said, it's a driver's race with a slight edge towards the SRT-4.
RZEZZ 4 years ago
God I just read this entire thing and noticed it was nothing but one giant flame war. Wow what a shitstorm this has turned into. XD
crowdcontrol792 4 years ago
I would also like to add that the SRT-4s only seem to pull those MS3s on the quarter mile near the very end, when shifting into 4th gear. They jump just a bit, making that average of about .2 seconds difference between the two. Most likely the little extra torque the SRT has. SRT-4s only start to pull up at the higher speeds.
crowdcontrol792 4 years ago
When it comes to corners its different however. Just a bit though. In that video it seemed the SRT got a jump on the first race and I seriously doubt the MS3 owner was powershifting. He probably either didn't know how or didn't want to risk ruining his transmission.
crowdcontrol792 4 years ago
This was the first video of these two cars racing I had seen a while back. I didn't believe it one bit, and recently I obtained an SRT-4. I lined up with one of those MS3s and my thoughts were right. From a dig I barely pulled them, and from a roll its the same scenario. Full out driving the cars are almost dead even, with an SRT having a slight advantage in straight line performance.
crowdcontrol792 4 years ago
yes they do offer factory performance and the NEONs have no chance Go Ms3!!
xsS21X 4 years ago
Did you watch the video????
RZEZZ 4 years ago
yea there is no way an srt-4 pulls on a ms3 like that i have a ms3 and my friend has a srt-4 no way in hell dude
xsS21X 4 years ago
263hp 280lbs torque mazda speed 2.3L
legnome236 4 years ago
263hp is the rated engine hp.
MS3 = 230 wheel hp
SRT-4 = 230 wheel hp
RZEZZ 4 years ago
suck my 2 golden balls
legnome236 4 years ago
That's it; get pissed at reality. That'll change it. :P
RZEZZ 4 years ago
ur prolly a guy with a srt-4...lol u know that kind of loser?
legnome236 4 years ago
LOL! Keep getting pissed. The MS3 gets faster with each blood vessel you blow! Next thing you know, you'll be beating C6 vettes!
RZEZZ 4 years ago
he probably doesnt know the car yet and took his RPMs to 7,000 even though the computer starts to close the throttle body at 6k...most speeds shift at 5500...anytime after 5800 and your hurting yourself
camppen 4 years ago
correct me if i'm wrong...doesn't mazda offer a dealer option to bring the speed3 up to 300 horsepower? Almost like the Mopar higher stages for the SRT4
Lyncherrr 4 years ago
I've never heard of a 300 hp factory option from Mazda, however, if true, I'd wouldn't trust that thing to get me to the local grocery store. If the engines fall out of the MS3's with stock power, I'd hate to see what that would do.
RZEZZ 4 years ago
Its actually a problem with a bolt coming out and not an issue with mount stength. Probably lazyness at the factory and not using locktite on it.
camppen 4 years ago
Whoa there Para. We're discussing turbo 4's, not a regular Mazda 3. The regular mazda 3 quite a bit off the mark. Just so you know, a Toyota Sienna minivan will do 0-60 in 6.7 seconds, thus putting the hurt on your NA 4 cylinder. :)
RZEZZ 4 years ago
Stock for stock, considering both cars put down the same power and the fact the SRT-4 is lighter, the SRT-4 has the edge. Simple physics.
RZEZZ 4 years ago
dawg I thought that mayb is cause I didhnt drie da car gud but check my vid out its stock for stock i got ma ass spank but pretty much even look it up as "srt-4 v.s mazdaspeed 3"
elcangri954 4 years ago
A Snick wut mods do u have on your SRT? Exhaust? Intake? Upgrades? Check out my vidz..juss click on my username.
blackwallcompton 4 years ago
has anyone seen or does anyone have vids of racing ms3 vs srt-4 not on a straight line...just to see which one handles better ..more agile....i think that would be more interesting...
alucardisdracula 4 years ago
stock for stock with 2 good drivers, the ms3 is gonna have the edge. i own an ms3 and my bro is buying an srt, cuz like alot of you guys, he is a neon fanboy. myself, i like to have some creature comforts, especially power windows in the back, while i'm smacking your srt up and down the highway.
mikeblosser 4 years ago
I love the interior of the Mazda3. It's pretty slick for the sticker price.
Paradiddler45 4 years ago
men i have a ms6 and i ran a 12.8 at 105mph! awd owns!
maicolombia 4 years ago
I'd even pick a KIA over a Dodge. Even the name Dodge is ugly, the logo is two horns, so damn lame. It's for rednecks, fuckin retards.
MaestroJJ7 4 years ago
Let's not forget that the new SRT-4 looks HILARIOUS. The Dodge Caliber is the biggest mistake in car design since the PT Cruiser.
Paradiddler45 4 years ago
RZEZZ get your facts straight! The 3 chassis was designed by Volvo, is used in the european Ford Focus, Mazda3, and Volvo?. Suspension designed by Mazda for the 3. Mazda is doing well right now, how is Dodge fairing? Oh they are being sold, thats right.
winblue3 4 years ago
But in all cases... stop bitching people unless you accually have proof of your shit :P SRT-4 stock vs mazda speed 3 stock the mazda will own, stage 2 SRT-4 vs mazda speed 3 the SRT-4 wins even from a dig :P and with the stage 2 srt you still wont come close to the price of the mazda :P
timdnorton 4 years ago
Buddy just got a mazda 3 speed, that car is one hell of a sleeper, Im SRT-4 stage 2, with AGP wga, 225 goodyear F1's and motor mounts, friend was bone stock mazda speed 3, I had friend of mine ( extra 190lbs ) in the car with me buddy with mazda speed had just him in it
timdnorton 4 years ago
and we raced from a dig and at 110mph I was only about 2.5 car lengths ahead of him, from a roll of 20mph was a bit more but damn those mazda speed 3s are hell of a fast car, but of course with all my mods and stuff im still not close to his sticker price :) But still very nice car. Took till 3rd gear then pulled 1.5 car lengths on him and at mid range 4th pulled another car length and as we climbed past 110 I was gaining slowly on him, then stoped at around 120
timdnorton 4 years ago
bah see below comment for start of my yacking on
timdnorton 4 years ago
HAHA i love how "i interpret" that the srt4 wanted to race from a roll..... lame yea... you guys shouldve raced from a dig EVERYONE knows that SRT4 owners only race from a roll because thats when their cars torque curve changes into their advantage... IN OTHER WORDS id have the mazda3 =) one hell of a sleeper
deandalapanda 4 years ago
fuckin mazda get your girl car outta here
mypimpomar 4 years ago
Dodge > Ford
RZEZZ 4 years ago
A Mazda is as much like a Ford as a Dodge is like a Mercedes, NOT. Oh thats right, they just sold Dodge/Chrisler...because they're crap!
winblue3 4 years ago
Except, the Mazdaspeed 3 is built on a Ford chassis. :) Again, Dodge > Ford.
RZEZZ 4 years ago
The Mazda3's chassis was designed by Volvo...
The chassis is used by the European Ford Focus, Ford Fusion, Volvo S40, and Mazda3. :)
Paradiddler45 4 years ago
hey asshole the ms3 is build and imported from japan go to a dealer and look at an msrp invoice. fucking retard
crazelot444 4 years ago
I'm very aware of that, mine was built in Hiroshima. That doesn't mean that everything is DESIGNED in Japan.
Paradiddler45 4 years ago
Dude you obviously dont know what you are talking about my cousin work in ocean mazda and KONWS mazda3 are made and DESIGNED in japan!!!! Dude i dont know who is telling you this stuff but tell them to go and read them car magazines/books again and tell him/her to wear glasses this time!!!
crazelot444 4 years ago
Obviously the dude driving the MS3 is a crap driver. I've seen these things waste plenty of SRT-4's.
I had to choose I'd definitely go for the MS3. Just seems like a nicer car, even if it is a bit heavier/bigger/not as fast, whatever. Plus it's not a fucking dodge.
reddoghud 4 years ago
true that fuck dodge neon's
crazelot444 4 years ago
sry, but i don't see an average srt-4 beating a speed3 =)
srt4's= american rice
andresc586 4 years ago
BUT THE MS3 CAN ROLL DOWN ITS REAR WINDOWS lololol
Fissiongrid 4 years ago
great, that is useful to me when I am in the front seat. :) "if" I have passengers, which is rare, then they can hand crand down their own windows. Except for letting my dog have some air back there when she is in the car the rear windows stay up all the time. So what do I care. My other comment I will keep to myself out of respect for a friend of mine with an MS3.
scottw03 4 years ago
alright alright... i will get video evidence of my car against stock srt-4's then and reply with a video responce to show you'll the truth, sure they get a small jump in 2nd but after that the speed 3 pulls on them if they are both stock! I will get some srt-4 times from midnight races at the track also to show you their times too!
HeartBeatRacer 4 years ago
Well, I ran a 13.812 in my SRT-4 stock. Also, there is another SRT-4 vs MS3 video on YouTube now. Guess who won. ;)
RZEZZ 4 years ago
did you ever think of altitude...??? I live up higher maybe, and ran a 13.964. a stock srt 4 at the same race track ran a 14.6 lol... then another one with intake and exhaust ran a 14.245, and my friends who is all stage 2 ran a 13.209
HeartBeatRacer 4 years ago
Altitude, ambient temp, RH, track condition, vehicle condition (boost leaks?) and the biggest factor, driver skill. I saw a MS3 2 weeks ago run a 15.0. So what? All things being equal, the SRT-4 is slightly quicker. It has a slightly higher power to weight ratio. Period. This has nothing to do with the MS3 being a very nice car.
RZEZZ 4 years ago
Thats what I think personally, but I don't want a shitstorm of mag racers yelling at me. I don't deal well with that. Yes I drive an SRT-4. Yes it looks like a Skittle. Yes we don't look as pretty or have roll down rear windows, but I like my fucking Skittle. I personally believe we are just a tad quicker stock for stock.
crowdcontrol792 4 years ago
you believe everything they put in a magazine??? all srt-4 reviews are almost 2 years old, I just had my friend come with me to a dyno. he drives a stock srt-4 it's hp was 224 WHP mine was 238 WHP and i have a stock speed 3. The torque settings for the speed 3 are much better. the quarter mile for an srt 4 is 14.5-14.9, the quarter mile for the speed 3 is 14-14.4. and might i add the srt-4 has .1 liters on the speed 3!
HeartBeatRacer 4 years ago
Another mag racer. Dude, you're way off on the 1/4 mile times. Even being a mag racer, you're still wrong. Check Motortrend's 13.8 during the Cobalt SS comparison. Average SRT-4 run is a 14.0.
As far as HP, to have the same power to weight ratio, the MS3 MUST have at least 20 more HP than the SRT to be equal. On average, the MS3 falls short of matching the SRT-4 power to weight ratio.
Here's a mag example for you.
Automobile magazine.
SRT-4 = 223 whp.
Mazdaspeed 3 - 216 whp.
RZEZZ 4 years ago
bull fucking shit learn how to fucking read dick
crazelot444 4 years ago
get your shit strait heartbeatracer
mypimpomar 4 years ago
All the reviews I've read on the 04 SRT-4 have it at 0-60 anywhere from 5.3 -5.8 sec. Personally I've had mine 0-60 in 5.4 measured at the drag strip (not g-tech) with stock tires so a 5.3 isn't out of the question. The reviews for the M3S are anywhere from 5.8-5.9 same Mag reviewers for both cars. Just google it.
brrandom 4 years ago
The M3S is nice but the SRT-4 is geared lower, weighs less and makes the same dynoed WHP as the speed. The SRT-4 doesn't have the nice interior or pretty Nav system but it is faster stock vs stock so if that's all you care about there you go.
brrandom 4 years ago
5.4 (ms3) asshole and it aint no garbage dodge
crazelot444 4 years ago
gah... my ass that srt-4 is stock unless the driver of the MS3 can't drive, and don't ever say bye bye to another drive. that proves you're too cocky for your own good.!!! i know that srt 4 isn't stock especially pulling a speed 3 through top end! Bring your slow pos here and i'll smoke ya if it's stock!
HeartBeatRacer 4 years ago
I have driven both and would they they are very similar with the speed having more Hp but more weight also. The SRt is puchier in 1st and 2nd gear. The mazda is boost limited in the first 3 gears. It has more ECU nannies. I would say its a drivers race unless it reaches hwy speeds then the mazda would edge it out. MS3 seem to be dynoing 245-255whp on dynapacks.
boosted321 4 years ago
Hey, that must be the SRT-4 that's not broken down. I heard about that one. Pretty rare car.
gualtierid 4 years ago
The driver is me, all of you are right i do suck at driving, because i dont race every five min. I just enjoy having a sweet car i can buy stuff for and have fun with. Also this was before my motor mount broke, the bolt was lose (not known to me at the time) making it very difficult for me to shift under heavy acceleration. Also on the second race there was a car in front of me in my lane so i slowed down.
Sach1point8t 4 years ago
If this is legit then there you go. By the way I drive an SRT-4 and can personally say its a drivers race, so the bickering you people are doing is pointless. SRT weighs less, while the Mazda has an extra gear. Its a DRIVERS RACE. I've driven both and can say this from experience.
crowdcontrol792 4 years ago
this is bullshit cause ive raced both srt4 and ms3 and only one that beat me was the ms3 ohh and im not hateing cause i have an integra with a type r motor with bolt-ons and thats how i know this is bullshit
crazelot444 4 years ago
Well, I call BS on you MS3 people because both cars have the same whp stock, but the SRT-4 weighs 260 lbs less. Physics FTW! Anyways, in reality, both cars are very close; close enough that the manufacturing tolerances from car to car are enough to put either in front of the other.
RZEZZ 4 years ago
What?Same hp stock?
ms3: 263 bhp : 280 lb-ft
SRT4: 230hp 250 ft lb
I doubt that's the same...
djsonicc 4 years ago
This guy knows nothing about either car except what he reads in mags! HAHAHAHAH! He also doesn't know what "WHP" means. HAHAHAHA! Think before you post ignorant crap.
Look, dude. Google both car and tell me how much power each car puts TO THE WHEELS! On average, it's the same. Get a clue. Same HP, less weight, SRT-4 wins by a nose.
RZEZZ 4 years ago
You take it anyway you want. WHP or BHP mazdaspeed 3 has more.
djsonicc 4 years ago
dude you are such a tool.
BHP is flywheel power. WHP is power at the wheels. MS3 rated @ flywheel, SRT-4 rated @ wheels. Power goes through the flywheel to get to the wheels. So your MS3 probably loses 20-30 hp through the drive train making it about 230-240hp at the wheels. If you do the same conversion for the SRT-4 in the opposite direction the SRT-4 is about 260 hp at the flywheel. Last I checked, but this might be above your kindagarden edjucation level, 260 = 260.
scottw03 4 years ago
Stop magazine racing.
scottw03 4 years ago
lol, scottw03's comment ftw
Paradiddler45 4 years ago
:)
Don't ge me wrong I am not hating on the MS3 or MS6. I like both cars. I think the MS6 looks great for a sedan turbo charged car. Kind of classy, pretty fast from the factory. A+ in my book. Same with the MS3, fast, handles well, Traction control. LOL, wish my car came with that stock, but I will have to settle for my aftermarket TCS. :)
scottw03 4 years ago
Thats not true, i've seen (with my own eyes) both car been dynoed and the Mazda pulled out 10hp more and i think it was like 15 pounds of thorque more!!!!! So bs that jid!!
crazelot444 4 years ago
Oh, so the one you saw had 10 more hp? Do the math, jack. MS3 = 3180lbs / 240 hp = 13.25 lbs/hp. SRT-4 = 2900 lbs / 230 hp = 12.61 lbs/hp. That puts the power to weight ratio into the SRT-4's advantage by 5.1%. Cool wagon, but still just a tad short.
RZEZZ 4 years ago
WRONG! nice try Ms3- 3200LBS, 15.6 psi, 260/280tq! Where did you get 240hp from?
crobinson1836 4 years ago
You need to learn a little thing about net, or wheel horsepower. Car manufacturers can claim all kinds of different HP amounts on paper (typically they list flywheel hp), but what counts is the power that actually gets to the ground. While the Mazda brochure lists 260 hp, a MS3 generally has between 230-240 hp at the wheels, or whp. The SRT-4 brochure lists 230 hp, but has between 220-230 whp. The SRT-4 weighs 300 lbs less, making it a drivers race between the two.
RZEZZ 3 years ago
But it does prove your car is fast. Unless the MS3 driver was biased.
06sterling 4 years ago
Okay ya know i figured i'd do some homework no this and i had to look no farther than the dudes page. He's got video of him pulling on an STI. Video was posted early Feb. The speed3 video was posted Nov24 so the car was brand new not broken in and new driver. I got my speed first one delivered withing 100miles Nov 4. SOOOO I have to say it's odd that you raced the MS3 stock and then three months later were walking and STI. I now think the video is bogus.
06sterling 4 years ago
Look i'm not gonna flame the neon for being a neon or the MS3 driver for possibly being un skilled, but this is all wrong. I've played with SRT-4's before and they could'nt keep up. And these were guys with minor bolt on's. I'm sorry but I personally know that the MS3 is faster. They could'nt have all been stupid Neon owners...... Please, this is my real life experience so take it for everything it's worth.
06sterling 4 years ago
those little neons are pretty sweet . but I have a ms3 and this thing is fast as hell . the second time its pretty apparent everytime the speeds boost hit he pulled easy then his brake lights come on.
ccanndoit 4 years ago
LMAO nothing wrong with doge, but the MS3 had a new driver for sure... or just a kid who dose not race ever car he sees :)
strong4whatlife 4 years ago
Here's how I see the bickering between the cars going down...
SRT-4: See, I told you the SRT-4 is faster.
MS3: Well, you drive a Neon.
SRT-4: So, you drive a station wagon.
MS3: Nice rear crank windows.
SRT-4: Hope your engine doesn't fall out of your car.
MS3: Why can't you hold a constant speed on the HY?
SRT-4: Why is your check engine light on?
MS3: Hi.
SRT-4: Ford.
RZEZZ 4 years ago
I laughed pretty good reading your comment rzezz funny shit i'm sure it went down just like that to!
steve6776 4 years ago
An SRT4 which isn't in the shop, I'm amazed. It is after all a Dodge lol.
Wizerud 4 years ago
I'm surprised the SRT4 isn't in the shop. It is, when all's said and done, a Dodge.
Wizerud 4 years ago
the srt4's 230 hp are whp not bhp... which means, it makes somewhere around 265 to the crank
Z32TT 4 years ago
SRT-4 is ugly and bullshi... as well
SonicHS 4 years ago