It's hard to believe that after all these years that the Chip Shot still looks and remains the same. It's inconceivable that they every Pro is making a living over such an old golf mechanism...And yet, every golfer to this day is struggling with that "simple" Chip Shot...
It's either Golfers do not understand it or they are in too much of a hurry to execute it...
That's not a bowing action. I can see how it looks like that but the face is opening and not closing on the bs. Practice what you see here and you can see how he rotates his forearms without increasing the cup in his wrist and keeps the wrists close to his thighs. Typical forearm rotation that early sends the wrists away from the body.
@kimrose633 Funny how we all see something different in it.
The knuckles of his left wirst move underneath his right wirst in the backswing. This is what I meant with bowing, whereas typical forearm rotation away from the ball cups the left wrist.
I do agree that there is a bit of forearm rotation and that the look is created for the most part just by him keeping his hands close to his thighs.
Just cupping the right wrist whilst keeping the hands in close creates this action nicely for me.
Agree 100%. Let's use your definition for bowing. His hand action is like his waggle but his forearm rotation hides the bow and everyone focused on the cupped wrist on his full swings. It might explain the mystery of how he goes from cupped to bowed in the downswing so late. Maybe he was always bowing and had a bowing intention throughout his swings but with his shallow plane and forearm rotation put it in a cupped position until near impact?
@kimrose633 It may sound strange, but I think that he's actually trying NOT to bow his wrist.
His resistance to the outwards pull of the club, his pivot and use of the ground unleash forces upon his wrists. These forces are far greater than the amount of force he uses to keep the wrist flat or cupped. So it's a side effect IMO.
Is that a chicken wing I see at the end of his chip? I'm a huge fan of hogan's swing, but frankly I'm not impressed by his technique here. Great music though :)
@dairic Music is voodoo chile by Stevie Ray Vaughan (slowed down considerably :) )
Chicken wing is caused by keeping the upper arms pressed to the chest. throughout the shot. In his full swing he does the same but his greater shoulder rotation and the forces pulling the club away from his body makes this less visible.
@dairic dude, you should chickenwing in a chip shot. Especially a short one. You want to keep the clubface square through impact as long as possible for maximum control
I learned my golf a Griffith Park, where the great short game wizard Jerry Barber was the pro. His technique was the same on the backswing, but he liked to pull the club back to the ball without any release of the hands, thus adding loft to the shot. He would play chip and run shots with a 4-iron where others would use a 7-iron.
@vambosian Thanks for the insight. Jerry was a wizard alright! You are fortunate to have had lessons from him. It's amazing how good this works; just keep your upper arms glued to the chest and the rest takes care of itself.
MIKE AUSTIN WAS THE GREAT TEACHER IN THE WORLD OF GOLF AND HE HIT THE GOLF BALL 515 YARD AT AGE 64. DAN SHAUGER LEARNED FROM THE BEST TEACHER MIKE AUSTIN. I HAD SEVERAL LESSON FROM DAN AND NOW I HIT MY GOLF BALL STRAIGHT DOWN THE LINE NOW AND WITHOUT BACK PAIN AND HE HELP WITH MY PUTTING AND SHORT GAME. DAN HAS 2 BOOK AND 27 DVD AND HE WORKING ON 3RD BOOK NOW aperfectswing I PLAY A BETTER AROUND OF GOLF NOW AND WITHOUT BACK PAIN AND CHECKOUT DAN BOOT CAMP I DID HE HELP ME OUT ALOT GREAT TEACHER
A common technique back in those days. As a golf instructor I see a lot of people who started playing in the 70's use this technique. Its extremely unlikely that you will ever be consistent with this method, unless you pracise like the Master himself, Ben Hogan. I strongly recommend using the entire upper torso in sync with the arms and hands to execute the chip as all modern players do.
@samimalmstrom That's how I learned. Dad said chipping and pitching were mini-full swings. I still do it. I hinge quickly going back and turn my body fully to finish. I have trouble with holding the "Y" formed by the arms and club - I probably tense my wrists and arms too much... Maybe if I put a cigarette in my mouth like Hogan, it will help!
IMO he takes the club back not by rotating his shoulders but purely by bowing his left wrist. There's also virtually no forearm rotation going on. As he pulls the club through impact his left wrist goes from bowed to being neutral at impact and cupped after impact. Nice and simple move for the shorter chip shots.
Ben Hogan in Five Lessons says that the hands work the same in chips, pitches, trap shots, that the ball is contacted first, except in explosion trap shots where the sand is hit first, as they do in the full swing
It's hard to believe that after all these years that the Chip Shot still looks and remains the same. It's inconceivable that they every Pro is making a living over such an old golf mechanism...And yet, every golfer to this day is struggling with that "simple" Chip Shot...
It's either Golfers do not understand it or they are in too much of a hurry to execute it...
MrTanker10a 1 day ago
Music sounds cool slowed down
vidvivvid 3 months ago
So simple so elegant!
tmgage1 4 months ago
Hinge and hold!!!
Romy06L 5 months ago
@Romy06L no hold here. The opposite.
goathumper111 2 weeks ago
That's not a bowing action. I can see how it looks like that but the face is opening and not closing on the bs. Practice what you see here and you can see how he rotates his forearms without increasing the cup in his wrist and keeps the wrists close to his thighs. Typical forearm rotation that early sends the wrists away from the body.
kimrose633 5 months ago
@kimrose633 Funny how we all see something different in it.
The knuckles of his left wirst move underneath his right wirst in the backswing. This is what I meant with bowing, whereas typical forearm rotation away from the ball cups the left wrist.
I do agree that there is a bit of forearm rotation and that the look is created for the most part just by him keeping his hands close to his thighs.
Just cupping the right wrist whilst keeping the hands in close creates this action nicely for me.
paulvandeloo 5 months ago
@paulvandeloo
Agree 100%. Let's use your definition for bowing. His hand action is like his waggle but his forearm rotation hides the bow and everyone focused on the cupped wrist on his full swings. It might explain the mystery of how he goes from cupped to bowed in the downswing so late. Maybe he was always bowing and had a bowing intention throughout his swings but with his shallow plane and forearm rotation put it in a cupped position until near impact?
kimrose633 5 months ago
@kimrose633 It may sound strange, but I think that he's actually trying NOT to bow his wrist.
His resistance to the outwards pull of the club, his pivot and use of the ground unleash forces upon his wrists. These forces are far greater than the amount of force he uses to keep the wrist flat or cupped. So it's a side effect IMO.
paulvandeloo 5 months ago
@paulvandeloo Here I'm talking about his full swing obviously... Not about the above video.
paulvandeloo 5 months ago
I love srv!!!!! And golf!!!!!
bluesguitarfan100 6 months ago
Is that a chicken wing I see at the end of his chip? I'm a huge fan of hogan's swing, but frankly I'm not impressed by his technique here. Great music though :)
dairic 9 months ago
@dairic Music is voodoo chile by Stevie Ray Vaughan (slowed down considerably :) )
Chicken wing is caused by keeping the upper arms pressed to the chest. throughout the shot. In his full swing he does the same but his greater shoulder rotation and the forces pulling the club away from his body makes this less visible.
paulvandeloo 9 months ago
@dairic i've had a "wing" for 20 years. This is no wing. It's relaxed arms. ;-)
ACIMpsychology 8 months ago
@dairic dude, you should chickenwing in a chip shot. Especially a short one. You want to keep the clubface square through impact as long as possible for maximum control
teygrxx 7 months ago
I learned my golf a Griffith Park, where the great short game wizard Jerry Barber was the pro. His technique was the same on the backswing, but he liked to pull the club back to the ball without any release of the hands, thus adding loft to the shot. He would play chip and run shots with a 4-iron where others would use a 7-iron.
vambosian 9 months ago
@vambosian Thanks for the insight. Jerry was a wizard alright! You are fortunate to have had lessons from him. It's amazing how good this works; just keep your upper arms glued to the chest and the rest takes care of itself.
paulvandeloo 9 months ago
MIKE AUSTIN WAS THE GREAT TEACHER IN THE WORLD OF GOLF AND HE HIT THE GOLF BALL 515 YARD AT AGE 64. DAN SHAUGER LEARNED FROM THE BEST TEACHER MIKE AUSTIN. I HAD SEVERAL LESSON FROM DAN AND NOW I HIT MY GOLF BALL STRAIGHT DOWN THE LINE NOW AND WITHOUT BACK PAIN AND HE HELP WITH MY PUTTING AND SHORT GAME. DAN HAS 2 BOOK AND 27 DVD AND HE WORKING ON 3RD BOOK NOW aperfectswing I PLAY A BETTER AROUND OF GOLF NOW AND WITHOUT BACK PAIN AND CHECKOUT DAN BOOT CAMP I DID HE HELP ME OUT ALOT GREAT TEACHER
bigboycat1 11 months ago
I'm glad that you're hitting 'em straight @bigboycat1 , but for god's sake please stop using CAPS-LOCK :)
paulvandeloo 10 months ago
A common technique back in those days. As a golf instructor I see a lot of people who started playing in the 70's use this technique. Its extremely unlikely that you will ever be consistent with this method, unless you pracise like the Master himself, Ben Hogan. I strongly recommend using the entire upper torso in sync with the arms and hands to execute the chip as all modern players do.
samimalmstrom 11 months ago
@samimalmstrom Interesting that this was popular back in the day! Thanks.
paulvandeloo 11 months ago
@samimalmstrom That's how I learned. Dad said chipping and pitching were mini-full swings. I still do it. I hinge quickly going back and turn my body fully to finish. I have trouble with holding the "Y" formed by the arms and club - I probably tense my wrists and arms too much... Maybe if I put a cigarette in my mouth like Hogan, it will help!
Memnet 7 months ago
IMO he takes the club back not by rotating his shoulders but purely by bowing his left wrist. There's also virtually no forearm rotation going on. As he pulls the club through impact his left wrist goes from bowed to being neutral at impact and cupped after impact. Nice and simple move for the shorter chip shots.
paulvandeloo 11 months ago
I might consider this a short pitch, but I cannot be sure as to the amount of release .As alansmithdc mentions, this motion is what Hogan prescribes.
1lovegolf24 11 months ago
I might consider this a short pitch, but I cannot be sure as to the amount of release.
1lovegolf24 11 months ago
Ben Hogan in Five Lessons says that the hands work the same in chips, pitches, trap shots, that the ball is contacted first, except in explosion trap shots where the sand is hit first, as they do in the full swing
alansmithdc 1 year ago
Thing is I don't see a whole lot of hinging going on. The hinge and hold is conventional chipping technique.
I see a bowing of the left wrist on the way back and a reversal of that move through impact.
paulvandeloo 1 year ago
I'll say it is Phil Mickelsons hinge and hold method
johngolfi 1 year ago
Its Stack N Tilt Chipping
TheBillygolfs50 1 year ago