Shirley Horng, Legal Aid Society of DC

[NETWizzJbirk]

This is BS, but I do not care much about the people in Government housing though I do not think they should be able to be searched at the whim of Government.

[1njtrooper]

The moral of story is ?................ Don't sell or use drugs . Why are people always making excuses for bad behaviour.

[worldtravel101]

@1njtrooper what did the person do wrong? when it was thier guest who is the drug posseser. i certainly dont use or condone illegal drugs, but this situation here is a bit fuct up.

[1njtrooper]

@worldtravel101 Unless you work public housing like I do then its really no need for me to explain anything. My fingers would cramp up tellin you all the foolishness I see. Your question seems cut and dry enough but its not that simple.

[severedfeet]

dc cop you imply that a judge could give out a warrant for a unreasonable search and seizure?i find the idea that my power to my own belongings is the ionly reason anyt government exists

TO PROTECT NOT RULE

[SoupyLibertarian]

Solution... get rid of welgare programs... not joking:)

Welfare is for Commies

[atlantictrader]

What ? if i put my cock in her mouth it would solve the communication problem !!!

[ichirojm]

your mom liked it better!!!

[atlantictrader]

Thats only because your Father could no longer suck my cock from all the scabs and sores around his fagget mouth ICHROJM

[sixbillionmorons]

This family should stop hanging our with drug addicts!

Do people really listen to an absurd narrative like this and think to themselves, "Yeah, I'll bet that happens all the time"?

"OK, so when Santa comes to fill your stocking, he loses a fridge magnet on his way up the chimney. A few months later, you drop a blade when you're reloading your safety razor it bounces out and sticks to the magnet. Now a cop busts in mistakes if for a stiletto and you get evicted. THIS LAW IS SO UNFAIR!

[nocjays]

Yeah, let's say that this poor innocent grandmother just happens to have her grandson over and the grandson just happens to have a friend over and the friend just happens to drop drugs into the couch and the cops just happen to knock on the door 5 minutes later for no reason and search the house. Typical liberal bullshit. ACLU = All Criminals Love Us.

[dccop58]

Nocjays: You took the words out of my mouth. These legal aid people are well-meaning but typically use extreme example of how a good law CAN be used to hurt innocent people in extreme, not-likely-to-happen circumstances. I patrol the projects. Most people who live there are law abiding and just can't afford anything better. The One Strike Law protects THEIR right to live in peace, to be able to walk to and from their cars without having to wade through a gaggle of dope-dealing thugs.

[rigoletto68]

Thank you. Excellent educational video..please do more...

[jerrylee76]

seems like a decent speaker, maybe be more prepared next time to seem less nervous. interesting points though

[Kingery4President]

Hearing the government housing put that way, it is simply guilty by association. Guilty without a trial. Our political system is so far off its foundation, gov should be required to present a warrant even if they have consent. This way the individual knows what the police are looking for. No warrant, no search.

What I want to see is USA citizens as independent as possible, while also able to function in groups to help others when needed.

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[dccop58]

So, what you're REALLY saying is that adults need to be protected by the govt as if they are children. You want the govt to intrude even further into people's lives than it already does, and then you go on to claim you want to see citizens act independently. Which one is it? They are opposing views. Pick one and go with it.

[Kingery4President]

I will forgive your confusing me with another person you may be debating. You clearly did not comment on my statement.

In the event you deliberately try putting word in my communications then I can only say you are a "good" cop. Not a good officer of the law; but a "good" cop.

The video present gov. acts where the family is guilty by association; convicted without trial.

"so far off foundation."

"require warrant even with consent of owner."

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[dccop58]

I was commenting on YOUR statement that "gov should be required to present a warrant even if they have consent." In other words, govt should be trusted with that decision over the adult who resides at the property? I applaud efforts to educate citizens as to their right to refuse warrantless searches but that's as far as it should go. We don't need the govt to intrude in the process any further than they already do. And perhaps you should explain your distinction between "cop" and "officer"?

[Kingery4President]

Growing up, a Police Officer was one who enforced the law. A cop, though both wore the same uniform, usually (miss)interpreted the laws to provide for entrapment and to coerce the subject.

Police, with or without a warrant, ARE the government. For the gov/police to search, there MUST be a warrant stating the object and the place of the search. Thus protecting citizen privacy. Neighbor complaints are not cause enough for a warrant-less search.

Often, consenting to search reduces protection.

[Kingery4President]

Our present gov. is such a coward. If they punished those convicted by a jury, true crime goes down. Amendment 13.

Cowards because gov. instigates and encourages citizens to turn on each other when no CRIME is committed.

Crime = actions that harm another person or another's property.

Possession of drugs is not a crime.

Robbing or killing someone is a crime. Regardless of the reason.

This is a long topic of USA gov. abuses etc.

Only pieced together 500 characters at a time.

[dccop58]

Simply put, a crime is any violation of a criminal code. You don't have to like the fact that possession of a controlled substance is a crime, you can even lobby to change the law, but no individual has the right to make up his own laws. Is possession of a controlled substance as SERIOUS of a crime as robbery or murder? Of course not. But it is still a violation of the criminal code and therefore a CRIME. To deny that is foolish.

[Kingery4President]

Is contempt of court a crime?

I acknowledge that according to most laws, both are crimes. One passed according to the law and the other passed in violation to the Law; but both are laws.

Laws passed in violation of the Law occur when the body of Representatives pass laws against the will and without the majority authority of the People they represent. (Per Declaration of Independence that defines the Power of a Representative in connection with Const., Art. 1, Sec. 2, Par. 3.)

[dccop58]

"Neighbor complaints are not cause enough for a warrant-less search." No, but consent from an adult who owns and lives inside that property IS. Like the law or not, it's still the law.

[Kingery4President]

Yes, presently adult resident can grant warrant-less police searches, often to their detriment.

Warrant-less searches allow open-ended searches by the Police to search more areas then might be granted had a warrant been issued. Such searches subject the residents to possible criminal charges they are not aware of. With a warrant, the scope of the search is restricted and the items and people to be searched or seized are restricted by law; Not so in warrant-less searches.

[xaajjaax]

Your response is so ironic. You claim that requiring a warrant for ALL searches regardless of consent is intrusion into private lives. Need I remind you that the original text of the 4th amendment to the U.S. Constitution did not discriminate by consent, but required a court warrant for all searches and seizures?

A "cop" is a self-serving authoritarian fear-monger who will lie and cheat to harm innocent Americans in the name of unjust laws. You are a cop.

[xaajjaax]

Note to self: do not get involved in youtube flame wars again. Here lies my response, out of context.

[dccop58]

This will likely fall on deaf ears given your obvious hatred of law enforcement, but read the 4th Ammendment and cite, specifically (quote it for me if you will) the part that requires a warrant for all searches. The 4th Ammenment provides protection against UNREASONABLE search/seizure. If an adult who is responsible for the area to be searched gives consent, no warrant is required. My only point is that the govt taking away an adult's RIGHT to grant consent is intrusion into that adult's life.

[dccop58]

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probably cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." So to answer your question: yes, you DO need to remind me where it says a warrant is required for ALL searches and seizures.

[dccop58]

(Oops, probable cause, not probably cause.)

[xaajjaax]

Hm? Look at your own quotation. "... and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause" Probable cause is a requirement for the issue of the warrant, not a warrantless search. It goes on to require a specific place to be named (not a full search of a person or vehicle) and what is to be seized. Never is consent mentioned. Supreme Court rulings by conservative justices with an authoritarian lean and unconstitutional laws passed by congress made things he way they are today.

[xaajjaax]

You've defeated yourself, dccop. Sadly, acts of congress and Supreme Court rulings condone your actions at the expense of citizens' rights to privacy and private property.

You are a law enforcement officer; you enforce just and unjust laws alike. In fact, cops prefer to enforce easier laws, such as drug laws. It's easier to bust a kid with a baggie or ticket a speeder than it is to bring a murderer to justice. When called on this, you say "the law is the law" because that's all you care about.

[dccop58]

I had worried about my comments falling on deaf ears and it turns out my concern was justified. You say the 4th ammendment REQUIRES warrants for all searches and then fail to show evidence of that. All you have shown is that for searches that DO require warrants, police need probable cause. You have not addressed the topic at all, that of searches that do NOT require warrants. If you feel better thinking you have "defeated" me, so be it. I'm not one to stand in the way of someone feeling good.

[EvilAwesomeInc]

shirley, it is truly hilarious to watch you giving a public discourse underneath a giant crucifix.

but glad nonetheless to see that you are doing good work.

[cdltpx]

Lets say they search and granny has a pill from a friend and don't have a prescription they can charge her with a crime and she is gone.

If you are in public housing save some money get a piece of land where you can build your own home you can build a house for very little money and some hard work. Look in my favorites there are many examples of homes you can build that are near disaster proof. Who needs the housing authority if you provide your own.