Though I won't doubt God did indeed arrange for this long day, It can be determined from other major Biblical events that God chooses to make things happen by the laws of physics and nature rather than by magic. He created physics and it is His tool to be used as he sees fit. In the long day case He is theorized to have from the beginning of creation set the cycles of the planets. he inluence of Mars neaar pass by of Earth's orbit is the factor which creates the event......see next.
So this long day happens to occur at the point where the Mars orbit crosses the Earth orbit at its closest. The physics of the event is a result of an exchange of energy of the two orbiting bodies. People in their zeal to ascribe magical acts to God will say nonsensical things like God stopped the rotation of the Earth etc and that is just ridiculous. By using His own physics of His creation God brings glory to creation and enables man to discover His methods through scientific study of nature.
Part 3 According to the laws of pysics the energy exchange between both planets must result in equale sides of an equation. If Earth gained energy to it's orbit then Mars lost energy to its orbit. The gain of energy ot Earth's orbit widened it by about 5 days. This is why historical calenders also changed from a 360 day year to a 365 day year. The moon likewise changed from (12) 30 day cycles to (13) 28 day cycles. The Earth rotation did not change but it moved at an oblique angle about 12 hours
In what way does that slow earth's orbit so much, keep it exactly right for the Fiji account of a long sunset and then get earth's rotation back to speed?
Mars's orbit would have crossed that of earth, furthermore, how does this crossing produce reasonably circular orbits for both planets?
And if they cross once, either this would happen again or one of the planets would have been flinged out of the solar system.
And earth's orbit must have decreased, not increased, as Mars is further away.
Additionally, how could Mars's passing have changed Earth's rotation and vice versa.
While there is a rotational momentum transfer mechanism, it's effects are minute, otherwise earth would be locked into a 28 days long day, the moon's rotation.
There is no known naturalistic mechanism which can slow the earth's rotational speed so much that it just compensates for it's orbital movement, hold it like that for a few hours and then get it back to speed.
That rotational transfer mechanism depends on the deformity of the celestial bodies, because gravity doesn't transfer orbital momentum directly for spherical bodies.
Furthermore, if Mars would have passed the Earth, it would have passed it so close that the long nighters would have seen it.
And along with clearly being visible, Mars would have had devastating efects on earth and vice versa, promoting gigantic seismic and volcanic activities due to deforming Earth.
And wind's would be terrible as well, as well as huge tsunamis, etc.
All of Earth's surface would suffer the gravitational effects of a nearby Mars and i'm not certain whether Mars passing so close by in order to have such an effect on Earth's rotation won't break Earth apart and vice versa.
The "God halted and restarted Earth's rotation." hypothesis is simpler and with less world wide disaster, but of supernatural quality.
I do not like to get into bickering, but when you attack my understanding of physics without knowing me you attack my intelligence.
You believe a near pass by which exchanges magnetic energy to be more cataclysmic than stopping or drastically slowing a pllanet spinning at 6,000 mph. You furthermore believe this stopping would not affect continental shift even though the liquid molten neckle core would by inertia would keep moving. Please drop these assumptions you make believers look stupid.
Feel offended if you want, but attacking one's understanding of physics is not an attack on one's intelligence.
You're talking about magnetic energy being exchanged by a near pass by?
Do you know what else a near pass by induces, which i was talking about the whole time?
Tidal forces on tidal bulges.
Those prompt a transfer of angular momentum and are at least several magnitudes larger than any magnetic interaction in the case of a near pass by of planets.
Tidal forces can slow and stop a planet's angular momentum, either from large distance, gradually and non-destructive or from a short distance, fast and thus destructive.
Mars has 1/10th the mass of Earth, so i guess it is impossible to halt and restart Earth's rotation without either destroying Mars and/or severely damaging Earth's surface.
And their magnetic fields are far to small to affect either rotation significantly.
As for your comment that only the crust of the earth would be stopped, please think a bit deeper about what i actually say.
I said that Earth's rotation would be decelerated, kept like that for a few hours and then accelerated, read my other comments, i never said anything pertaining to only a crustal deceleration/acceleration.
I meant the whole planet and anyone with a bit of reading capability would interpret is as such.
I believe you intentionally twist my words to mean something else and try to make me look stupid and backwards.
I don't like that a bit.
I advise you not to use such underhanded tactics to make your opponent in an open discussion look bad.
If pointed out, it shows your insidiousness, not the invalidity of my arguments, which i try to formulate as carefully as i can, despite me still making many mistakes.
From all you assert and your response style i suspect that you probably are an atheist troll posing as a christian.
If you're a christian, you wouldn't be miffed about me trying to correct your understanding of a part of science , but either thank me for enlightening you or explain where my understanding is wrong.
And it is quite typical for an atheist troll to pose as a christian and post untrue theories in an attempt to undermine observed facts.
Makes good sense to me, Zoomerange. It is possible that the Earth went from a 360 day year to a 365 day year at this time. I'm just happy that my video from my other site was attached to this one.
For you mayan prophecy buffs out there... They have the story of the long night as well. Zecharia Sitchen talked about it as well. I have a feeling people are about to be fooled by a little "g" god creator story which is slowly going to unfold. Just ask them to make their own clay before they start molding your grey matter. It may sound completely rediculous but there will be signs and wonders in the sky that will attempt to fool the elect that is for certain. I believe its starting now.
countless stories are shared by cultures found on any single continenet. This is called "cross culture polination" and is very common. Nothing that has been said here points to anything conclusive or scientific, only that the people lived in the same basic area for each of the two stories.
That doesn't explain the West African long night story and it also doesn't explain the long sunset on Fiji.
And while cross culture pollination is possible, it cannot account for the deviations in West Africa and Fiji as shown in the video.
Furthermore, even with cultural cross contamination explaining the spread of the stories, it still is weird that a long day AND a long night are told of.
As for the long day/night stories, just because there exist myths (among other myths that this guy obviously wouldn't say were true) doesn't mean that God stopped the sun from moving, especially since the stopping the sun wouldn't result in a long day because the sun doesn't revolve around the Earth.
But surprise, surprise, they do fit the theory quite well, especially the Fiji story about the long sunset.
Why would there be stories of a long day, a long night and even of a long sunset if it's just myths and why in such a spherical distribution on the earth?
If not the long day of Joshua, how DO you explain this observed phenomenon?
I'm quite certain skepticism isn't the right word, i think it's denial, denial of any possibility of facts pointing towards something you personally reject.
I must be in denial if I think that the mere existence of convergent mythology doesn't prove only your religion? Say these are all explanations of a "long day/night" that actually happened, let's assume that much, why is your mythological context more valid than the many others? Why is it your deity who "stopped the sun" rather than any other?
Not at all. Cosmic phenomenon at best. Or it implies that the obvious symbolism and poetic appeal of a deity intervening to make a day/night longer is prevalent in many cultures. There are enough myths about cylops to, by your logic, conclude that such a thing exists.
@JustNotConvinced; mathematically this missing or long day/night has been found by astrologists around the world by their computers by reversing the paths of of all the stellar bodies. It is found, it is fact. No one has found a skeleton of a cyclops. till they do it is a myth.
No, that is also not true, here's a Christian site debunking that idea: christiancourier . com / articles / 226 - the - scientific - proof - of - joshuas - long - day
The existence of things or events in mythology are not confirmed by other mythology and, in this case, science either.
The webpage you link to only debunks the so called calculated mathematical evidence, which i suspected to be flawed as well, as mathematically seen one cannot calculate the existence of a long/missing day.
The long day/night/sunset stories of these nations/tribes aren't mentioned on that webpage, as they are myths based on observations by Israel's contemporaries and have nothing to do with modern erroneous calculations.
Still you will have to explain the global distribution of the stories that fits the spherical shape of the earth well, considering the rotation of the earth being halted and restarted.
And if it is just a cosmic, meaning outside of earth, phenomenon, i'd like to see what phenomenon can produce such results.
I'm trying to imagine such an phenomenon and sorry to say it, i consider such an phenomenon a naturalistic impossibility, considering the observed facts and evidence.
Naturalistically explaining a long day/night/sunset would work if the global distribution would be more randomized, then it could be contributed to mas-delusions and/or mass-hallucinations.
But as the distribution is, it is very specific, fits an "Earth's rotation stopped for several hours, then started up again." and thus makes a such a naturalistic explanation statistically improbable.
Concluding that a supernatural force was at work here is not just plausible, but even required.
Occam's razor implies that one seeks the most simple explanation fitting the given evidence and data.
In this case, given the mass and and size of the earth, only a deity could have done it and mass delusions and hallucinations do not explain the observed distribution and the existence of a long sunset observation.
In other words, from the evidence and data it is necessary to conclude that God did it.
First of all, this convergent mythology with this global spread of long day/night/sunset proves that the halting of earth's rotation happened, which rattles anyone's worldview in its foundation, including a biblical one.
It is astounding to see this convergence with his global spread.
Secondly, the biblical account not just gives an explanation of this event, but puts it central in the survival of Israel. I am sure this is entirely different in the other accounts.
Thirdly, it is a matter of faith which deity id it, of course it is logical for christians and jews to state that Yahweh did it.
Tied in to the second argument, the long day is mentioned in Joshuah 10:12-14, but it is part of a record that shows how Israel and Gibeon with the help of Yahweh destroyed a composite army of several several kings bent on their destruction.
The details of the record and the temporary focus on the long day are another argument for the biblical account.
And whether you want to accept any deity or not, you still have to explain how this long day/night/sunset/sunrise occurred and why there is such a global spread of these stories.
Sidetracking with regards to christians claiming Yahweh to be responsible is just distracting from the real issue here, namely that the event was recorded by different nations over the globe and defies naturalistic and materialistic explanation.
@FillTheirVoid So where is your honesty? Why not be honest and admit what the text says and stop trying to impose a heliocentric interpretation onto it.
@FillTheirVoid Sorry but your wrong. How am I being dishonest when I am only pointing out that the text does not refer to the Earth moving, rotating nor stopping. The Sun is the thing being referred to in motion and being halted. If you choose to believe that it is the Earth moving, don't pretend that everyone else is wrong or lying because the text flies in the face of your interpretation and doesn't support it.
@FillTheirVoid 'This I believe is obviously to be interpreted from the perspective of a man on the earth, however." As I said, you can "believe" what ever you like. It doesn't change the text. Your still trying to force your interpretation into the text.
@FillTheirVoid Why does it matter what I think the perspective is, if I chose a perspective then I am putting an interpretation into the text, same as you are trying to do.
Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.
If the Earth was locked into orbit around the Sun, how could it possibly be hanging on nothing. Nothing means Nothing
Strong's (H1099) bel-ee-mah'
From H1097 and H4100; (as indefinite) nothing whatever: - nothing.
No, it's just a simple observation regarding the text, nor is it set in stone.
This is clearly speaking regarding a physical object. Cultures of that time tended to believe that the earth rested upon something ... however here we are told it does not.
The text obviously doesn't go on to explain the phenomenon of gravitational orbit ... such would have been wasted upon the people it was addressed to at that time.
@FillTheirVoid Yeah, well it doesn't explain a solar orbit either. There is no point here besides adding something to the text that isn't there. And it is clearly not supported anywhere in the Bible. If it is pleas show it to us. You have to be able to back up what you say with the text or your interpretations.
That wasn't the point of the text ... but rather to separate the true God from paganism. Once again this is a very simple observation which may be gleaned from the text and context.
@FillTheirVoid Where is the scripture to back up your heliocentric solar system? I don't deal in assumptions, I leave that to theorists and want no part of it.
@FillTheirVoid "It doesn't go one way or the other necessarily." I pretty much made this point in my very first comment to you then you accused me of being dishonest.
my first comment to you: " It's only obvious to someone who has been spoon fed a heliocentric view since childhood."
Your response: "No, it simply requires a little bit of honest contemplation.?"
How is it hat you can say the same thing I said in my original post, but I am accused of being dishonest.
And well, we still say that the sun is moving and astronomers still use a geocentric model for their calculations from earth, as the principle of relativity also applies here.
The sun stood while the moon slowly crept along on that day, meaning that the earth's rotation was decelerated, stopped and then accelerated back to full speed.
Regarding an acceleration of about 1 or 2 % of g, slowing down or speeding up earth's rotation can be done in less than 80 minutes.
That's well within the time limit of the long day.
Of course God could have stopped the earth instantaneously while using divine inertial dampers, that's another possibility.
But whether with gradual deceleration and acceleration of earth's rotation or with abrupt halting and restarting it, fact is that contemporaries of Israel observed the long day/night/twilight.
But i like your assumption that God moved the sun when it is clear from the presented info that earth's rotation was manipulated.
The "lion of babylon" (the grey, damaged statue) appears to be a human, being forcibly impregnated by an ape, rather than a lion !
NOWHERE can i find ANY reference to a human even being mauled by that lion, but you can CLEARLY see him/HER, underneath it, being subjected !
Watch out for what they tell you is the truth, and just say WHAT YOU SEE !!!!!
fatfantastic 2 months ago
Whatever man, this conversation is boring.
FillTheirVoid 1 year ago
love your videos! where about in england you from?
jointopsvet 1 year ago
@jointopsvet In Bromley, SE corner of London UK. Email me on mb@mbowden.info if you want to. MB
MalcolmBowden 1 year ago
this is absolutely fascinating, PRAISE GOD!!! Hallelujah! :D
ChicReal 2 years ago
PTL ! Our God is a God of miracle. For nothing is impossible for Him.
ChristiansofAsia 2 years ago 3
Though I won't doubt God did indeed arrange for this long day, It can be determined from other major Biblical events that God chooses to make things happen by the laws of physics and nature rather than by magic. He created physics and it is His tool to be used as he sees fit. In the long day case He is theorized to have from the beginning of creation set the cycles of the planets. he inluence of Mars neaar pass by of Earth's orbit is the factor which creates the event......see next.
rollinshultz 2 years ago
So this long day happens to occur at the point where the Mars orbit crosses the Earth orbit at its closest. The physics of the event is a result of an exchange of energy of the two orbiting bodies. People in their zeal to ascribe magical acts to God will say nonsensical things like God stopped the rotation of the Earth etc and that is just ridiculous. By using His own physics of His creation God brings glory to creation and enables man to discover His methods through scientific study of nature.
rollinshultz 2 years ago 2
Part 3 According to the laws of pysics the energy exchange between both planets must result in equale sides of an equation. If Earth gained energy to it's orbit then Mars lost energy to its orbit. The gain of energy ot Earth's orbit widened it by about 5 days. This is why historical calenders also changed from a 360 day year to a 365 day year. The moon likewise changed from (12) 30 day cycles to (13) 28 day cycles. The Earth rotation did not change but it moved at an oblique angle about 12 hours
rollinshultz 2 years ago
In what way does that slow earth's orbit so much, keep it exactly right for the Fiji account of a long sunset and then get earth's rotation back to speed?
Mars's orbit would have crossed that of earth, furthermore, how does this crossing produce reasonably circular orbits for both planets?
And if they cross once, either this would happen again or one of the planets would have been flinged out of the solar system.
And earth's orbit must have decreased, not increased, as Mars is further away.
Barachem 2 years ago
Additionally, how could Mars's passing have changed Earth's rotation and vice versa.
While there is a rotational momentum transfer mechanism, it's effects are minute, otherwise earth would be locked into a 28 days long day, the moon's rotation.
There is no known naturalistic mechanism which can slow the earth's rotational speed so much that it just compensates for it's orbital movement, hold it like that for a few hours and then get it back to speed.
Barachem 2 years ago
That rotational transfer mechanism depends on the deformity of the celestial bodies, because gravity doesn't transfer orbital momentum directly for spherical bodies.
Furthermore, if Mars would have passed the Earth, it would have passed it so close that the long nighters would have seen it.
And along with clearly being visible, Mars would have had devastating efects on earth and vice versa, promoting gigantic seismic and volcanic activities due to deforming Earth.
Barachem 2 years ago
And wind's would be terrible as well, as well as huge tsunamis, etc.
All of Earth's surface would suffer the gravitational effects of a nearby Mars and i'm not certain whether Mars passing so close by in order to have such an effect on Earth's rotation won't break Earth apart and vice versa.
The "God halted and restarted Earth's rotation." hypothesis is simpler and with less world wide disaster, but of supernatural quality.
Barachem 2 years ago
You show a lack of understanding when it comes to orbital mechanics, your assumptions, thought patterns and conclusions show so.
You also forget that Earth and Mars have stable orbits, something that such a planetary encounter won't produce.
Good attempt to explain the long day as a divinely timed natural phenomenon, but orbital mechanics doesn't support your theory.
It was direct divine intervention, like many other miracles were.
Barachem 2 years ago
I do not like to get into bickering, but when you attack my understanding of physics without knowing me you attack my intelligence.
You believe a near pass by which exchanges magnetic energy to be more cataclysmic than stopping or drastically slowing a pllanet spinning at 6,000 mph. You furthermore believe this stopping would not affect continental shift even though the liquid molten neckle core would by inertia would keep moving. Please drop these assumptions you make believers look stupid.
rollinshultz 2 years ago
The what?!
Feel offended if you want, but attacking one's understanding of physics is not an attack on one's intelligence.
You're talking about magnetic energy being exchanged by a near pass by?
Do you know what else a near pass by induces, which i was talking about the whole time?
Tidal forces on tidal bulges.
Those prompt a transfer of angular momentum and are at least several magnitudes larger than any magnetic interaction in the case of a near pass by of planets.
Barachem 2 years ago
Tidal forces can slow and stop a planet's angular momentum, either from large distance, gradually and non-destructive or from a short distance, fast and thus destructive.
Mars has 1/10th the mass of Earth, so i guess it is impossible to halt and restart Earth's rotation without either destroying Mars and/or severely damaging Earth's surface.
And their magnetic fields are far to small to affect either rotation significantly.
Barachem 2 years ago
As for your comment that only the crust of the earth would be stopped, please think a bit deeper about what i actually say.
I said that Earth's rotation would be decelerated, kept like that for a few hours and then accelerated, read my other comments, i never said anything pertaining to only a crustal deceleration/acceleration.
I meant the whole planet and anyone with a bit of reading capability would interpret is as such.
Barachem 2 years ago
I believe you intentionally twist my words to mean something else and try to make me look stupid and backwards.
I don't like that a bit.
I advise you not to use such underhanded tactics to make your opponent in an open discussion look bad.
If pointed out, it shows your insidiousness, not the invalidity of my arguments, which i try to formulate as carefully as i can, despite me still making many mistakes.
Barachem 2 years ago
From all you assert and your response style i suspect that you probably are an atheist troll posing as a christian.
If you're a christian, you wouldn't be miffed about me trying to correct your understanding of a part of science , but either thank me for enlightening you or explain where my understanding is wrong.
And it is quite typical for an atheist troll to pose as a christian and post untrue theories in an attempt to undermine observed facts.
And no, most atheists are NOT trolls or nasty.
Barachem 2 years ago
And of course the earth spins around at the equator with 6000 mph, of course...
Barachem 2 years ago
Oh yeah, calling miracles magic shows how little you know of christianity.
Barachem 2 years ago
Awesome bro ... Jesus Bless you :-) ♥
silencemz 2 years ago
I believe this is when the calendar changed from 360 days to 365 days.
Zoomerange 2 years ago
Makes good sense to me, Zoomerange. It is possible that the Earth went from a 360 day year to a 365 day year at this time. I'm just happy that my video from my other site was attached to this one.
ReligionOfSacrifice 1 year ago
For you mayan prophecy buffs out there... They have the story of the long night as well. Zecharia Sitchen talked about it as well. I have a feeling people are about to be fooled by a little "g" god creator story which is slowly going to unfold. Just ask them to make their own clay before they start molding your grey matter. It may sound completely rediculous but there will be signs and wonders in the sky that will attempt to fool the elect that is for certain. I believe its starting now.
drevenkaine 2 years ago
Interesting stuff. Especially about the long day stories and long night stories
LiquidSmooth 2 years ago
countless stories are shared by cultures found on any single continenet. This is called "cross culture polination" and is very common. Nothing that has been said here points to anything conclusive or scientific, only that the people lived in the same basic area for each of the two stories.
zzlgrant 2 years ago
That doesn't explain the West African long night story and it also doesn't explain the long sunset on Fiji.
And while cross culture pollination is possible, it cannot account for the deviations in West Africa and Fiji as shown in the video.
Furthermore, even with cultural cross contamination explaining the spread of the stories, it still is weird that a long day AND a long night are told of.
Barachem 2 years ago
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1:04 "So the sun stood still"
Hey scientific absurdity.
As for the long day/night stories, just because there exist myths (among other myths that this guy obviously wouldn't say were true) doesn't mean that God stopped the sun from moving, especially since the stopping the sun wouldn't result in a long day because the sun doesn't revolve around the Earth.
It's mythology, move on.
JustNotConvinced 2 years ago
When it speaks of the sun standing still, it is quite obviously from the perspective of the observer upon the earth.
The specifics of how it occurs relative to the sun / earth's rotation etc is simply not given, nor should it be forced upon the scripture.
FillTheirVoid 2 years ago 2
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But these other stories that are only being brought up because it seems convenient to your worldview should be force upon scripture?
JustNotConvinced 2 years ago
No, I don't believe they should be.
FillTheirVoid 2 years ago
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So then we agree that the argument being advanced in this video is erroneous? I'll consider it common ground then.
JustNotConvinced 2 years ago
But surprise, surprise, they do fit the theory quite well, especially the Fiji story about the long sunset.
Why would there be stories of a long day, a long night and even of a long sunset if it's just myths and why in such a spherical distribution on the earth?
If not the long day of Joshua, how DO you explain this observed phenomenon?
I'm quite certain skepticism isn't the right word, i think it's denial, denial of any possibility of facts pointing towards something you personally reject.
Barachem 2 years ago
I must be in denial if I think that the mere existence of convergent mythology doesn't prove only your religion? Say these are all explanations of a "long day/night" that actually happened, let's assume that much, why is your mythological context more valid than the many others? Why is it your deity who "stopped the sun" rather than any other?
JustNotConvinced 2 years ago
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GabrielGroverMan 2 years ago
@JustNotConvinced; Regardless of any religious affiliation, does it not point to a supernatural/divine being having such power?
GabrielGroverMan 2 years ago
Not at all. Cosmic phenomenon at best. Or it implies that the obvious symbolism and poetic appeal of a deity intervening to make a day/night longer is prevalent in many cultures. There are enough myths about cylops to, by your logic, conclude that such a thing exists.
JustNotConvinced 2 years ago
And which cosmic phenomenon would that be?
Of course, the symbolism explains the West African deviance and the long sunset in Fiji...
Myths about cyclopes are very limited in their their spread, proving only that people with cyclopia once existed in greek and roman territory.
You're not addressing the global distribution [for which i previously used the word "spread"] of the long day, long night and long sunset stories.
Barachem 2 years ago
@JustNotConvinced; mathematically this missing or long day/night has been found by astrologists around the world by their computers by reversing the paths of of all the stellar bodies. It is found, it is fact. No one has found a skeleton of a cyclops. till they do it is a myth.
GabrielGroverMan 2 years ago
Do you mean astrologists or astronomers?
Barachem 2 years ago
But what exactly did they find, how did they find they long day?
Barachem 2 years ago
No, that is also not true, here's a Christian site debunking that idea: christiancourier . com / articles / 226 - the - scientific - proof - of - joshuas - long - day
The existence of things or events in mythology are not confirmed by other mythology and, in this case, science either.
JustNotConvinced 2 years ago
You're grasping at straws as well.
The webpage you link to only debunks the so called calculated mathematical evidence, which i suspected to be flawed as well, as mathematically seen one cannot calculate the existence of a long/missing day.
The long day/night/sunset stories of these nations/tribes aren't mentioned on that webpage, as they are myths based on observations by Israel's contemporaries and have nothing to do with modern erroneous calculations.
Barachem 2 years ago
Still you will have to explain the global distribution of the stories that fits the spherical shape of the earth well, considering the rotation of the earth being halted and restarted.
And if it is just a cosmic, meaning outside of earth, phenomenon, i'd like to see what phenomenon can produce such results.
I'm trying to imagine such an phenomenon and sorry to say it, i consider such an phenomenon a naturalistic impossibility, considering the observed facts and evidence.
Barachem 2 years ago
Naturalistically explaining a long day/night/sunset would work if the global distribution would be more randomized, then it could be contributed to mas-delusions and/or mass-hallucinations.
But as the distribution is, it is very specific, fits an "Earth's rotation stopped for several hours, then started up again." and thus makes a such a naturalistic explanation statistically improbable.
Concluding that a supernatural force was at work here is not just plausible, but even required.
Barachem 2 years ago
Occam's razor implies that one seeks the most simple explanation fitting the given evidence and data.
In this case, given the mass and and size of the earth, only a deity could have done it and mass delusions and hallucinations do not explain the observed distribution and the existence of a long sunset observation.
In other words, from the evidence and data it is necessary to conclude that God did it.
Barachem 2 years ago
First of all, this convergent mythology with this global spread of long day/night/sunset proves that the halting of earth's rotation happened, which rattles anyone's worldview in its foundation, including a biblical one.
It is astounding to see this convergence with his global spread.
Secondly, the biblical account not just gives an explanation of this event, but puts it central in the survival of Israel. I am sure this is entirely different in the other accounts.
Barachem 2 years ago
Thirdly, it is a matter of faith which deity id it, of course it is logical for christians and jews to state that Yahweh did it.
Tied in to the second argument, the long day is mentioned in Joshuah 10:12-14, but it is part of a record that shows how Israel and Gibeon with the help of Yahweh destroyed a composite army of several several kings bent on their destruction.
The details of the record and the temporary focus on the long day are another argument for the biblical account.
Barachem 2 years ago
And whether you want to accept any deity or not, you still have to explain how this long day/night/sunset/sunrise occurred and why there is such a global spread of these stories.
Sidetracking with regards to christians claiming Yahweh to be responsible is just distracting from the real issue here, namely that the event was recorded by different nations over the globe and defies naturalistic and materialistic explanation.
Barachem 2 years ago
@FillTheirVoid It's only obvious to someone who has been spoon fed a heliocentric view since childhood.
neoverse 1 year ago
@neoverse
No, it simply requires a little bit of honest contemplation.
FillTheirVoid 1 year ago
@FillTheirVoid So where is your honesty? Why not be honest and admit what the text says and stop trying to impose a heliocentric interpretation onto it.
neoverse 1 year ago
@neoverse
I'm being perfectly honest ... you're simply refusing to listen to reason, which is dishonesty.
FillTheirVoid 1 year ago
@FillTheirVoid Sorry but your wrong. How am I being dishonest when I am only pointing out that the text does not refer to the Earth moving, rotating nor stopping. The Sun is the thing being referred to in motion and being halted. If you choose to believe that it is the Earth moving, don't pretend that everyone else is wrong or lying because the text flies in the face of your interpretation and doesn't support it.
neoverse 1 year ago
@neoverse
Exactly, it doesn't specify the mode of the event ... simply that it stayed put for an extended period of time.
This I believe is obviously to be interpreted from the perspective of a man on the earth, however.
FillTheirVoid 1 year ago
@FillTheirVoid 'This I believe is obviously to be interpreted from the perspective of a man on the earth, however." As I said, you can "believe" what ever you like. It doesn't change the text. Your still trying to force your interpretation into the text.
neoverse 1 year ago
@neoverse
I'm not forcing anything, it's a matter of common sense.
FillTheirVoid 1 year ago
@FillTheirVoid Common sense according to who and based on what?
neoverse 1 year ago
@neoverse
Based upon the context, do you actually believe the perspective of the observer is from space and not the earth?
FillTheirVoid 1 year ago
@FillTheirVoid Why does it matter what I think the perspective is, if I chose a perspective then I am putting an interpretation into the text, same as you are trying to do.
Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.
If the Earth was locked into orbit around the Sun, how could it possibly be hanging on nothing. Nothing means Nothing
Strong's (H1099) bel-ee-mah'
From H1097 and H4100; (as indefinite) nothing whatever: - nothing.
neoverse 1 year ago
@neoverse
No, it's just a simple observation regarding the text, nor is it set in stone.
This is clearly speaking regarding a physical object. Cultures of that time tended to believe that the earth rested upon something ... however here we are told it does not.
The text obviously doesn't go on to explain the phenomenon of gravitational orbit ... such would have been wasted upon the people it was addressed to at that time.
FillTheirVoid 1 year ago
@FillTheirVoid Yeah, well it doesn't explain a solar orbit either. There is no point here besides adding something to the text that isn't there. And it is clearly not supported anywhere in the Bible. If it is pleas show it to us. You have to be able to back up what you say with the text or your interpretations.
neoverse 1 year ago
@neoverse
That wasn't the point of the text ... but rather to separate the true God from paganism. Once again this is a very simple observation which may be gleaned from the text and context.
FillTheirVoid 1 year ago
@FillTheirVoid Where is the scripture to back up your heliocentric solar system? I don't deal in assumptions, I leave that to theorists and want no part of it.
neoverse 1 year ago
@neoverse
As I stated previously, the scripture doesn't elaborate regarding this subject.
I never stated that the scripture states that the earth revolves around the sun due to gravitational orbit.
What I did state is that it is consistent with that theory.
FillTheirVoid 1 year ago
@FillTheirVoid Fine, be consistent with a theory and forget text. I choose the text.
neoverse 1 year ago
@neoverse
The point is that the text doesn't elaborate explicitly ... however it is consistent.
It doesn't go one way or the other necessarily.
FillTheirVoid 1 year ago
@FillTheirVoid "It doesn't go one way or the other necessarily." I pretty much made this point in my very first comment to you then you accused me of being dishonest.
my first comment to you: " It's only obvious to someone who has been spoon fed a heliocentric view since childhood."
Your response: "No, it simply requires a little bit of honest contemplation.?"
How is it hat you can say the same thing I said in my original post, but I am accused of being dishonest.
neoverse 1 year ago
And well, we still say that the sun is moving and astronomers still use a geocentric model for their calculations from earth, as the principle of relativity also applies here.
The sun stood while the moon slowly crept along on that day, meaning that the earth's rotation was decelerated, stopped and then accelerated back to full speed.
Regarding an acceleration of about 1 or 2 % of g, slowing down or speeding up earth's rotation can be done in less than 80 minutes.
Barachem 2 years ago
That's well within the time limit of the long day.
Of course God could have stopped the earth instantaneously while using divine inertial dampers, that's another possibility.
But whether with gradual deceleration and acceleration of earth's rotation or with abrupt halting and restarting it, fact is that contemporaries of Israel observed the long day/night/twilight.
But i like your assumption that God moved the sun when it is clear from the presented info that earth's rotation was manipulated.
Barachem 2 years ago
Awesome! Thanks for this. People will learn one day to believe the scriptures.
sparkshot 2 years ago 6