In Russia in the beginning of XX cent very popular was song "Boer and his sons" (translate from Russian) " Under the big tree sit old boer and cry About what you cry old man? About my homeland which burned by enemy I have seven sons Two fall on the war and five fight for freedom My oldest son was grey-haired and my younger son was only 12 But he say me that I dont be ashamed of him He was killed in first battle Now is severe times for my land Woman pray for our sons! God dont leave us!"
The fucking Boers are pathetic. For a couple of centuries they enslaved, murdered and stole from anyone with darker skin than them but once they get screwed by a greater power they start bleating about ‘genocide’ and being ‘holocaust victims’. Racist, god-bothering Dutch cunts.
Who tamed this land?The brave enough to endure the hardships of this beautiful country at the bottom of Africa. Only FARMERS=BOER had the knowledge and courage to create something out of nothing. And fight the English (twice) to sustain the explorers of the "new" world.Nl, Fr,Gr etc, contributed, earning the name "BOER", mixing cultures, best practises, and language, inorder to survive.... EARNING the name BOER!! So...call yourself a "Boer" if your ancestors were here more than 250 years ago
You should of just bowed down to the might of the British empire then shouldn't you. And what about the genocide you boers carried out when you took out your commandos and exterminated the san peoples of the kalahari, oh and the zulus. Rule Brittania.
very funny! and interesting!! i understand what they are singing! i am dutch so it is easy to me! one year ago we find out that my family fought there! and one familiymember was advisor of mr P.Kruger
The world is sitting idle as the Boers are being exterminated, there is a genocide happening right in front of us and yet we do nothing, their white you see
True but at least the folks at Genocide Watch have been paying attention & have been warning the world of the Boer genocide since at least nine years ago. Genocide Watch went back & did a follow up. There is a lot of denial by governments because there is an elitist agenda aimed at trying to get the world to forget that the Boer even exist or ever existed as can be seen with the deliberate redacting from the history books any mention of them & the renaming of Boer towns & streets as well.
@VigisKane True say. The ANC, a party revered as 'tolerant' has a youth leader who preaches that whites should be exterminated. Disgusting, and shameful. But it's okay to preach hate against people if they're white...
This was was financed by jews for jews. Just as the jews are killing white soldiers in their quest for oil in Iraq, they were back then killing Brits and Boers for African gold. Look up Lord Nathan Rothschild, Barnet Isaacs, Ernest Oppenheimer, Alfred Beit, Yehuda Porges. Cheers.
@graddlar ai ai ai, how can you blame the jews? Every single person who wrote a word in the bible was Jewish, Jesus was Jewish, wich makes God Jewish, His people and His nation, maybe the Jewish people prefer to fight with money rather then guns, we can all learn from that.
Although I'm a Engelsman/Sout P--l / South African. Loads of Afrikaans friends when I was a kid. Did my 2 years national duty including Angola and all, what horrendous memories that brings. But Die Stem and these songs still stir me with pride. Where would SA be without the sheer determination of the Boer.
@fjordking Incorrect, "The United Kingdom" formely known as the British Empire has possession of four countries: England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Island. Aswell as a few colonies internationally, the main being the Falklands.
Really .....were the Afrikaners not the decendants from the Boers ...??? Really where are you comming from .....the Boers are the Afrikaners and the Afrikaners are the Boers and yes ......from Dutch, German, English and other European and even African forefathers - amazing to see that the Nazi's were not the first to invent concentration camps - but the English .....so sorry about all the woman and children that died in those camps ....sorry mate I do care about Morals ...Australia
"The British held thousands of Boer women and children in the first ever concentration camps" (sic) Is not accurate, the first concentration camps were established in Cuba as early as 1895, by the Spaniard Governor General Valeriano Weyler y Nicolau, Marquis of Tenerife. Cuban women and children starved to death on those "Re-concentration camps" spread out all over the island. ( Cuba's war for independence 1895 to 1898)
The innocent victims of the concentration camps in Cuba and in South Africa in late 1890's and early 1900's were mostly civilians, the number of people who died in Cuba during the re-concentration were almost 400, 000 but little is known about it abroad. What the british did to the boers was a horrific crime like that the Spaniards did to the Cubans on the same period of history
@eltessy ya so the British still murdered thousands of innocent Boer women and children. The funny part is that in WWII, the British were disgusted by Nazi death camps while they did the same thing 50 years earlier,,,hypocrites!
@sasprawler, No concentration camps are "funny" and im ashamed that such camps were set up. Its not a typicaly British thing to do, trust. However, there are nasty bastards wherever you go
THE BRITS GOT TAUGHT A LOT OF THE BOERS THERE TACTICS WERE STILL VOLLEY AND CHARGE OF THE WATERLOO PERIOD. HOWEVER , YOUR COUNTRY WAS TOOK OFF YOU BY OLD CECIL RHODES FOR THE DIAMONDS , JUST LIKE YOU STOLE IT OF THE BOERS AND I NOTICE YOUR GERMAN FRIENDS TOOK ON THE IDEA OF THE CONCENTRATION QUITE WELL LOL ,
Just one problem: the Boers did not run South Africa & the notion that they ever did stems from the mythology of the Afrikaners who HIJACKED the heritage of the Boers & tried to claim it as their own. The majority of the Afrikaners are not descended from the Boers but in fact from the Cape Dutch. The pro British folks who WORKED against Boer self determination. The Boers tried to restore their Boer Republics during the 1940s but were PREVENTED by the Afrikaner establishment in control.
@Pinard7 Boers=dutch colonists with no connection to the home nation. I think.
I don't quite understand what point you're making.
The Boers did actually control South Afrika before the second British invasion (For those who forgot, there were TWO wars. If I remember correctly, the Boers won the first one.)
No you are totally wrong. First the Boers have very few actual Dutch roots as they are mostly of German / Frisian / Danish & French Huguenot origin. No. The Boers are not colonists as they sprang up on African soil out of the diverse people that the VOC dumped at the Cape LONG before the formal arrival of European Colonists. That's what makes the Boers unique: they are an African people who were not under the protection of a foreign power.
No. The Boers never controlled the State known as South Africa as created by the British but they did control their own Boer Republics during the 19th cent. One of which was called the South African Republic. [ The Transvaal Republic. ] This Boer Republic along with the Orange Free State Republic were conquered during the second Anglo-Boer War. Then they were made into provinces of the British created South Africa & administered by the general local White population.
The Cape Dutch of the 19th cent were indeed pro British as noted by Professor Hermann Giliomee [ who was a Broederbonder who propagandizes against the Boers ] & noted extensively in the book Cecil Rhodes and the Cape Afrikaners by Mordechai Tamarkin. The point I was trying to get across was that most so called Afrikaners are of Cape Dutch decent as the term Afrikaner was imposed onto all Afrikaans speakers with the Boers being a minority under the Afrikaner designation.
@Pinard7 Hahahaha, where the hell do you get your info from...i dont like arguments on a web site, ...its very easy actualy, we were more known as afrikaners, but since coloureds akso want see them selfs as afrikaners we prefer the word boer, it just implies white afrikaans speaking south african...easy peasy
The statistics on the Cape Dutch population versus the Boer population bear this out. THAT is where I get "my info from". There were & still are more Cape Dutch descendents than Boer descendents. Further: notable leaders like D F Malan & Hendrik Verwoerd were not from the Boer population [ Malan was from the Cape Dutch & Verwoerd was from the Dutch of the Netherlands ] . Further note: the Cape Boers of the frontier are not part of the Cape Dutch.
The term Cape Dutch was coined by the Trekboers to describe the folks they left behind at the western Cape region whom Professor Wallace Mills noted were DIFFERENT from the Boers of the frontier. Not all White Afrikaans speaking South Africans were or are Boers! There have always been far MORE Cape Dutch Afrikaans speakers than Boers. The Boers developed & emerged on the Cape frontier during the late 17th cent. This bifurcation led to the emergence of TWO White Afrikaans speaking peoples.
The Boer people are only about 34 % of the total White Afrikaans speaking population. The reporter Jan Stürmann noted that the Boer population stand at 1.5 million. Out of a total White Afrikaans population of approx 3.5 million. He noted within the article that many Boers do not see themselves as Afrikaners. Theuns Cloete of Boervolk Radio noted on a shortwave radio interview that the Afrikaners stole the heritage of the Boers. This is significant because it subverts Boer self determination.
Furthermore the Boer people lost 50 % / half of their child population within the British created concentration camps. When you hypocrites talk about "real Africans" you should put your money where your mouth is & give Britain back to the "real British" Celts whose land you stole & whom your ancestors displaced. The Boer people acquired their land through settlement & not from open conquest as your ancestors did concerning the Celtic peoples whom were displaced & survivors pushed west.
When the Boers set up their various Boer Republics they always respected the independence of the various Bantu peoples while the British on the other hand never respected the independence of any group in the region as their agenda was to impose their power on the region. The Boers often in alliances with various local tribes while the British were only interested in conquest.
The Boer Republics might have had very small numbers of Bantu peoples but they were granted autonomy / independence as noted on page 7 of The Rise Fall & Legacy of Apartheid by anti-apartheid activist P Eric Louw so you can not even accuse the Boers of having stolen land within their old republics as they had respected the independence of the Bantu held regions. The British were the ones who stole land from Boer / Bantu & Khoisan alike yet you only ever attack Boers for defending themselves.
The various Bantu peoples [ who displaced the ABORIGINAL Africans / Khoisan peoples ] lost their land due to BRITISH invasion & conquest. The British conquered the Xhosas in the mid 19th cent & annexed their land to the Cape. The British conquered the Zulus in 1879 & annexed their land to Natal. Note that those are the two largest Bantu groups in South Africa & note how that not one of them was found within the Boer Republics.
@Pinard7 The Boers had given Dingane a sound thrashing and annexed Zulu land, and you comment about how the British did the same? And the Matabele? Did the Boers just buy their land?
No. The Boers did not annex Zululand as the left the Zulus independent under Mpande whom Pretorious had entered into an alliance with. If the Boers allegedly "annexed" Zululand then why the hell did the British have to conquer it in a bloody [ the adj - not the curse word ] war which they almost lost? You anti-Boer propagandists NEVER seem to rectify your cognitive dissonance on this topic because if the Boers "annexed" Zululand than they should have fought the Boers [ 1843 ] for it & not Zs.
The Matabele were chased over the Limpopo River AFTER they attacked the Boers & ever since to today live within Zimbabwe. The Boers bought & negotiated for large tracts of land [ as admitted by even Swazi historians ] & settled into vast depopulated sections. The British annexation of the region entailed the annexation of the LARGEST Bantu groups while only very small numbered Bantu groups were within the Boer Republics & P Eric Louw notes that those groups maintained their independence.
The Boers did not annex the Bantus within the Boer Republics in the manner that the British did with the whole region. The Boers never subscribed to the imperial notion of subjugating a people as they knew that they had to have friendly relations with neighbours in order to secure a sustainable peace in the region. The Boers always believed that it was best to leave peoples to govern themselves within their own region.
The Boers are in fact real Africans as they developed on African soil. The Boers are more real Africans than the Americans are real Americans as the Boers developed as a nomadic pastoral tribal people who cut all ties to Europe as noted by authors such as Sidney Robbins on page 59 of The Devil's Annexe & Oliver Ransford in The Great Trek. The Boers did not displace anyone when they established their Boer Republics as the particular region where they settled was depopulated by the Difaqane prior.
The Boers have NEVER proposed kicking anyone out of their own countries. The various Bantus within the Boer Republics generally come from the Transkei [ former Xhosalanad that the British conquered & annexed to the Cape. ] & Kwa Zulu [ former Zululand that the British conquered & annexed to Natal. ] It's "should have" not "should of". Furthermore your call to Boer genocide is dully noted & on the record to be used in any court proceeding against you in the future. Recant now or face the court.
@KKKSuperFan If we are monsters how did we end up getting rid of slaves first got rid of cults people eating people sacrafices and many more I think we done a good thing for the world.
@TheVideoWatcha You are the ones trying to kick out the blacks out of thier OWN country you wont even let them join your farming life they have to be white and belive in god you make me sick you facist scums My grand father should of killed you all.Kill the Boeres the racist, sound familier to you?
@solidsnake117100 You people sicken me. The British outnumbered the Boers 10 to one at least, yet they were still able to defeat the British in the first Boer war and re-establish their independence. Then in the second war you pigs took the Boers wives and children to interment camps and burned their farms. All this inflicted severe casualties to the people, but the British didn't seem to care as long as they got their way. I hope you`re proud of your murderer grandfather, I wouldn't be.
@TheVideoWatcha Wrong in the 1st war you out numbered us and beat us by hinding in cliffs while we were gentle men in the 2nd the piont of the camps was to make you submit and it worked,and yes i'm proud of my graand father I shall finish the task that he did not he killed over 10.ooo boeres with his leadership lets see if I can make it to lets see all of you the REAL Africians will be happy and will aid us we both hate you your like a fly to us our motto is only the strong will survive.
@solidsnake117100 The boar war was wasteful and unnecessary and fueled by British greed and their apparent superiority complex. You, like you're grandfather, are the filth of the earth. You paint yourselves as gentlemen? Gentlemen don't kill thousands of people without good reason. No matter how you spin it what you people did was simply wrong. I would spit on you were we face to face, but you're not even worth that.
@TheVideoWatcha I would kill you with the Lee enfield the gun that killed the Boeres but I don't like to waste bullets and make you watch as your familiy was bayoneted through the chest by me, and watch as they slowley died I would not burrie them because they don't deserve any respect one day your Peoples bloood will flow through S.A and the corpes left to be chewed apon by Wolves and birds and Lord Kichener will laugh at it so will Winstin Churchell and south Africia will be retaken by blacks.
@solidsnake117100 What you just said proves to me that everything you've said is completely invalid haha. You have done a great job of proving your people's brutish idiocy to me. You're threatening to bayonet my family simply because I contradict you. I'm sure you're grandfather would be proud. Also, if you're British, why don't you learn to speak English.
@TheVideoWatcha Ha thats nothing go and talk to a Irishman and ask him what we did to them you got it easy,and I can speak proper English unlike you who can't spell or put in punchation in you writing and what would you know about anything you are just a peasant leave it to us nobles to do all the work you farmer prat you can't even call your self a gentle man like us ypur just animals.
Thanks to Coppertop for those great comments. Simsdisiwe: The Boers are Africans as they developed on African soil. The Boers were long since an Africanized people [ they even called themselves Africans ] before the Colonial powers arrived in the region. The Boers emerged from the impoverished nomadic pastoralists of the Cape frontier whose ancestors could not survive in the grinding class conscious society at Cape Town. The Boers are a homegrown folk who trekked away from the Cape Dutch folk.
Instigation between Boer and Bantu tribes (used by British in South Africa), as well as later manipulation of Afrikaners (Cape Dutch in majority) to instill seperation between European and Bantu (note I don't say African since Boere ARE African), and done after the Boere had already made the journey inland through the Groot Trek to attempt to get away from all this political nonsense, is from any angle the biggest contributor leading to apartheid. Verwoerd was a pawn and a traitor clear as day.
@coppertop2710 What drug are you on? Under Verwoerd, SA basked in economic prosperity For 1 Rand, one could buy 2 dollars. During apartheid, most blacks had a job. British/Jewish greed caused the Boer war. The British invented concentration camps. They even tried to hide the Boer genocide but Emily Hobhouse exposed it. All wars are caused by GREED. That includes Iraq & Afghanistan. Grow up and smell the coffee!
I tire of British like him that in today's day and age are too feeble to admit that as colonialists in the past they'd used everything from direct warfare to manipulative coersion to greedily try and claim land for themselves and cause animosity amonst people in those places.
Luckily, all aren't as deluded as him, but sadly many still today are ignorant and unable to see their own past for the devious, absolutely inhumane, greedy, and selfish approach it was.
I tire of British like him that in today's day and age are too feeble to admit that as colonialists in the past they'd used everything from direct warfare to manipulative coersion to greedily try and claim land for themselves and cause animosity amonst people in those places.
Futhermore all I see escole48 doing here is attempting to bait Pinard7, clearly because he has not substantial information about Boers in South Africa and who we truly are and knows nothing of our history. Pinard7 has his facts posted here for all to go verify.
@TheBeechingAxe - By that statement (as a Boer South African that grew up with some of my first and best childhood friends being Shangaan in Limpopo and later Zulu friends in Natal, but am now having to bide my time amongst pompous self-righteous blind and delusional Brits in London), that this makes the British the idiots (especially if they are all as misled as escole48 is). He is probably one of those that believes everything the sensation seeking newspapers here in London writes is true.
What a supreme joke you are as just about everything you wrote is so far out of touch with reality that it is a miracle you can even find the proper keys when typing as you are the one who has constructed an elaborate delusion. Furthermore you refuse to do any actual research but sure like to throw incendiary verbiage against a people who have done nothing to you except stand in the way of an empire you shill for. Posting insulting garbage is no substitute for facts or authentic counterpoint.
@Pinard7 You research stuff you can mis-quote for your own twisted dogma. The Boers are not an African race and should not wallow over a fake genocide to paint yourselves as martyrs. It's obscene and vulger. You are a bunch of colonial chancers who came up against another race of colonists and fought over a land that was stolen by both from the African. You can't be a wolf and cry wolf at the same time. Eat your medicine kid - the world is a big place. You can't live in 1900 not anymore.
I noted that even General De la Rey [ which is what the song is mainly about ] was fair to wounded British soldiers. BUT what I called you on was how you were trying to use it to distract from or to downplay the brutal actions of the British Empire. Learn about the concept of context. All I see from you is discredited junk data & other assorted fiction. You have made no effort to learn about the actual Boer Nation. No doubt you serve a destructive agenda to lie with abandon.
The point of the Keegan quote is to demonstrate that the Boers did not have a Colonial outlook as they often entered into alliances with local tribes & even lived under their rule at times. He showed how the racial imperialist outlook was started by the British & not from the insular Boers. I did not discard the Reitz quote. I simply put it in context.
I find it telling that you compare a song about killing Boers [ in truth it is probably about killing White people in general - including you smart ass - because the authors of that song refer to all White people as "Boers" ] with a song about honouring General De la Rey. You are one screwed up fellow.
I found the book Colonial South Africa & the Origins of the Racial Order by doing a web search for Boer related information. I have found a lot of books on the Boers by just doing a web search. There are also many books posted on Google Books for free to read. The fact that you have to interject a calumnious angle only betrays your desperation at attempting to negate the valid information I posted.
That trait was a Colonial import with the creation of the South African macro State. The restoration of the Boer Republics would allow for the local established Bantu tribes in the north & west to re-establish their own self determination as well. The Boers do not want to govern them as the British South African State made the Afrikaner do. The Boers are every bit as African as any other African group.
None other than the late Robert van Tonder [ who was calling for the restoration of the Boer Republics since 1961 when the usurper Verwoerd turn South Africa into a nominal republic ] publicly stated that the Boers must STOP employing the if they ever hope to reacquire their self determination. All of the peoples have the right to govern themselves within their own countries. This is EXACTLY what the Boers support too as they have no desire to rule over non-Boer peoples.
The Boers do not "paint" themselves as victims. The reality of their past speaks for itself & we all know that YOU did indeed victimize them. The Boers are not comparable to Romans as they are not connected to a single Colonial power. The Boers are the total product of Africa & have no other home in the world. The employment of other ethnic / national groups should be stopped by Boers as it led to their dispossession of their own republics in the first place through British mine policies.
The British took Johannesburg by de facto LONG before they conquered the Boer Republics. The British did not conquer the Boer Republics just for the gold but rather to prevent the Boers from being a threat to British control of the region. Which is why you STILL propagate against the Boers today as you STILL view them as a threat even though most Boers live under the poverty line by design.
Furthermore his source was a one J A Heese who wrote a book about the ethnic origins of the White Afrikaans speakers in general in 1971. The book was suppressed by the old National Party government. The British took Johannesburg by de facto LONG before they conquered the Boer Republics. The British did not conquer the Boer Republics just for the gold but rather to prevent the Boers from being a threat to British control of the region.
BTW your Wizard of Oz like denial of the continued strength of the British Empire only serves to marginalize you as all anyone has to do is to read the fine print & discover how British companies own South African ones & funds the major political parties & movements. I have never read anything which would lead myself to believe that André van Rensburg supports the cause of Boer self determination. He did not even identify himself as a Boer even though he is of Boer descent.
The fact of the matter is that it is YOU folks who treat Africans like lackeys. The Boers at least have respect for them as people entitled to self determination. Even the controversial & likely intelligence controlled late Eugene Terre'Blanche supported Bantu & Coloured self determination not just Boer self determination.
After all why would anyone find this inconsequential song offensive unless you are a shill for the same oppressive power mentioned in this song. The Boers only really had one notable run in with the Zulus because the then King Dingaan thought he could wipe out at least the Natal contingent of Boers. So basically you are an ideological successor of Dingaan / Rhodes / Verwoerd etc. All folks who thought they could eliminate or co-opt the Boer Nation.
That is what irks you is that the Boers will not go away & you are sore that you & your Afrikaner lackeys could not totally eliminate them. Which is why you HATE Louis Pepler & his song as it has awakened the Boer people in way not seen since the time they started calling for the restoration of the Boer Republics back in the 1940s when your Afrikaner lackeys organized against them & broke the movement to nothing.
The Boers did not grab land like the British did. The Boers have the inherent & unalienable right to self determination. Framing it up as a religious consideration does not negate the right to self determination. What a joke accusing the Boers of being a "blighted race" coming from someone who committed a genocide & then REFUSED to call it such. You are no better than a neo Nazi. Once again you are employing the word change as a clever euphemism for elimination.
Once again you threaten to drive the Boers out for the crime of having developed as a distinct people on the African continent. The point was that the Boers allowed the Bantus to govern themselves & did not impose their rule over them like the British did & like the Afrikaner [ Cape Dutch & Boer political coalition of which the Cape Dutch dominated ] later did to an extent. The Boers always allowed Bantu self government & left Bantu lands for the Bantus.
The South African State was created by you folks & you still run it lock stock & barrel. You high finance Capitalists are the only people to benefit from its existence as the poor of all races remain poor & are getting poorer. There were no Boers in Europe EVER thus the Boers are NOT FROM EUROPE. The Boers are from the Cape where they developed into a distinct people. The Boers have no memory of Europe & have been part of the African landscape for their entire existence since the start.
No the Boers NEVER wanted the gold. They tried to PREVENT the gold from being extracted as they knew it could spell the end of their independence in the ZAR. American author Howard Hillegas specifically noted this fact in the book Oom Paul's People & author Michael Barthorp also noted that the Boers did not want the gold in his book: The Anglo-Boer Wars. What a joke because you folks still to this day deny any African [ Boer / Bantu & Khoisan alike ] the right to the gold & other resources.
The Boers are not European settlers & no Boer even had any memory of Europe & did not even believe a Europe existed until the British told them about it later. How can a people so estranged from Europe who only identify themselves as Africans [ ever since the late 17th cent ] who had no memory of Europe be legitimately called "Europeans". It is impossible as you are employing an inapplicable designation onto an African people / nation.
@Pinard7 I'm afraid that I'm off to the pub on this fine Sunday night, but will look at what you've said tomorow. As for the Boer forgetting where he came from with no memory of Europe - well; I think that is a condition called selective memory syndrome. Apparently Boers suffer from it as a symbolic struggle against reality. This enables them to view the real world as an illusion. Toodle pip for now Mr Out-of-touch-with-reality and do continue to rant - try not to burst any blood vessels.
There is no point because I can tell what you will write as per your past denial. I think a lot of what you state was covered already in Mein Kampf some decades ago by another bigot. Good luck with your attempts at plagiarizing it & substituting the term Jew with Boer. You write the SAME way cavalierly blaming the impoverished Boers while running defense for your atrocious & genocidal actions. The Boers forgot Europe from being in Africa so long as a nomadic pastoral insular folk.
The Boers developed on African soil unlike you folks who did not & came straight from Britain under the Colonial power of the British to set up police state. The Boers paid for their land in blood / sacrifice & lives. Their land it every bit theirs. You folks were a bunch of Colonials in Britain before you stole the land from the Celtic peoples yet no one tells you to leave or adapt. The Boer people acquired legal sovereignty within their old Boer Republics which was recognized around the world.
The Africans will not put up with you & are TIRED of your continued control on this region. After all: the Boers have no power whatsoever within the region while you folks still own & run the banks / fund political parties & the media / run the mines & the South African economy in general. The problem in South Africa is YOU not the marginalized & impoverished Boer Nation.
The Boers are Africans as Africa is where they developed. You folks did not develop in Africa & as such are Colonists. Even President Zuma publicly acknowledges that the Boers [ & Afrikaners in general ] are the White tribe of Africa. Furthermore your own fellow compatriot David Harrison wrote a book on the macro Afrikaans speakers called The White Tribe of Africa. Explicitly ADMITTING that the Afrikaans speakers are White tribes.
Furthermore undermining the old regime was not a bad thing in itself as the Apartheid regime was very anti-Boer & oppressed the Boer people as well & destroyed the Boer Republican movement to restore the Boer Republics during the 1940s BUT the folks running them were right out of Britain. When the British could no longer afford to be propping up a White run regime they simply recruited the ANC into power. The ANC is simply the latest British proxy regime in the region.
@Pinard7 Why don't you go to the lavatory and really squeeze one out. Your so full of it that your toilet door must be full of teeth marks. Anything that undermines the Boer way is a good thing. The African will not be your lackie anymore. The ANC is not run by Brits - its run by Africans and they want to reclaim the lands that you Boers occupy. Get with the program or get kicked out.
Talking about yourself I see & back before I even finish responding to your previous trash. So you ADMIT once again a genocidal anti-Boer agenda. The fact is that the African is your lackey as he works for you in MUCH larger numbers. Deny it all you want but the ANC is funded & controlled by you folks. The regime does not want to reclaim land: they simply follow your orders to make the region safe for high finance Capitalism. Reclaiming land would cost them power.
Well for one thing this is not Pinard7 simply making allegations. These are CONFIRMED facts. A high ranking MI6 agent named Stephen Dorril ADMITTED the truth & anyone can see for themselves who funds the ANC & the media empire in South Africa so I am not exactly telling tales out of school as they are verifiable facts. The British might rule South Africa covertly but it is not such a secret & not even too covert. Just as the British banking establishment runs America too in a covert manner.
Catch a wake up call already. Even the media is ultimately owned by British companies. You are once again living in total denial. So now you insinuate that I am "insane" for pointing out the obvious. If you believe that the British Empire is "dead & sterile" then you must be a frequent customer of those selling beachfront property in Montana. You surely can not be as dense as you are coming across or are in even more serious denial than I had thought. The British Empire is covert now.
The Boers did not take over land in the name of a Colonial power nor were they EVER a Colonial power. It is not possible for nomadic impoverished pastoralists to ever be a Colonial power. Colonial powers are ORGANIZED. The Boers are disorganized & were a clan based society [ ie: small / following specific leaders ] Well all Fritz Meyer did was state openly what most people already know from the available evidence. Barclay's Bank OWNS ABSA & many other British instutions OWN South African ones.
So you admit that you are pushing an elitist version of African because the notion of a [ fill in the blank ] only club to qualify as an African should be abhorant as it is the SAME Nazi-esque thinking which led to the Holocaust. The Boers did not colonize Africa. The Boers EMERGED on African soil & settled into LIMITED regions via migrations patterns when they were nomadic pastoralists. The Boers can not be excluded as Africans simply because you do not like them or are lighter skinned.
@Pinard7 They cannot be excluded because they have lighter skin, but they can because they are from Europe and colonized South Africa like British. They can also be excluded if the Africans (the real ones) decide not to put up with your bigotry and kick you out by force and they will if the Boer can't behave himself.
It is impossible for the Boers to be from Europe when there were no Boers in Europe as they developed m African soil not European soil. The notion of "real Africans" is a dangerous Naziesque concept. The notion of "real Germans" led to genocide. But we all know that is what you promote for the Boers as per your genocidal anti-Boer comments of calling for them to be driven out. The British can not behave: I guess we should then "kick" you out of the region.
There are no "real Africans"! That sort of dangerous & delusional & exclusive thinking is what led to the Nazi ran holocaust as they were big on the notion of "real Germans"! you are so myopic in your blind hatred of the Boer people that you do not even see how you are adopting Nazi rhetoric with your Naziesque notions of "real Africans"! Though I think you are probably well aware of what you are doing so as to "justify" the "driving out" of the Boers that you call for.
Particularly when they had / have no Capital / no standing army / & are not in the employ if any single Colonial power. The Boers "colonized" southern Africa the same way the Khoisan did. Are the Khoisan "colonists" too? Let's get real here & try to look at the facts objectively instead of letting your fierce anti-Boer hatred get in the way of assessing a clear & accurate picture of the actual situation.
Since you know that you can not afford to go to war with the Boers yourself so you push this odious & discredited tripe in order to get your lackeys to do the dirty work for you as you folks did when you ran the British missionary schools & first began to propagate anti-Boer rhetoric. The Boers did not colonize southern Africa as the Boers are a product OF Africa & can not colonize the very land they developed on within their own continent.
Further evidence for this was seen when the Boer government could barely collect taxes from their OWN Boer subjects / citizens. In fact many Boers were so anti government that they were opposed to the formal establishment of a government as they saw it as another control mechanism & taxation racket. These Boers felt government would interrupt their trading with Sothos. The Boers would have made bad Colonists & they would have reverted to their natural insular / anti government tendencies.
The Boers would have been ill suited as Colonists & any Colony that they would have been put in charge of would have probably folded due to neglect as the Boers as a whole were / are just not into running quasi empires as they have no desire to administer or govern over other peoples & tend not to have imperial ambitions as all they ever wanted was to govern themselves: & in a very minimalist & stripped down small government manner.
I am aghast that you appear to believe that the Boers are somehow Colonials when they had / have no Capital [ money ] / no army [ they only ever had the voluntary democratic Commando system which was no standing army as Colonists have ] / no Colonial power. Now I think that you probably do indeed know the truth but are accusing the Boers of being Colonials to score cheap political points & to "drive the Boers out" as you openly admit. The Boer would have been ill suited as Colonists.
When the Boers exchanged rocks of peace with them it was a ceremonial act of reconciliation. The Boers & Zulus have been in varying degrees of alliance with each other ever since despite your old tactics of trying to sow discontent in the region in order to perpetuate your now covert rule over its various peoples. Since you know a revolution is coming you are hoping to use it to forever squeeze out the Boer nation from the region.
The other local Africans sometimes struggle against the Boers but they know that the Boers are from Africa. The Bantus colonized southern Africa & stole the land from the original [ or as you would sat: the TRUE Africans ] Africans: the Khoisan peoples - yet I do not hear you talk about how the Colonist Bantus should give up the land they stole from the Khoisan peoples or how they never integrated into the culture that they usurped when the Colonized the region.
The Mexicans are ALSO descended partly from European settlers BUT no one would now say that the Mexicans are not indigenous to Mexico. The Boers developed on African soil as an indigenous people to the region. The OTHER [ not real - all Africans are Africans ] Africans for the most part know about the Boers origins in Africa. You like to promote the false dialectic that other Africans do not recognize the Boers as fellow Africans. This might only be true for political party hacks that you own.
There were NO BOERS IN EUROPE EVER until they were formed on African soil. The Boers are from the Cape: were they emerged. The Boers did not emerge in Europe. Thus the Boers are a total product of Africa & even adopted the lingua franca which developed on African soil as well. Furthermore the first Europeans in the southern portion of Africa were the Portuguese not the ancestors of the Boers who were PULLED out of Europe & Asia & blended into distinct peoples on African soil.
Then you ADMIT & threaten that you are attempting to "drive them away soon" no doubt because they still stand in the way of your agenda to more fully rape Africa of its resources. Which one would have though you would be satisfied with the set up that you already have as you lot own the gold mines. Wrong. The Boers ARE NOT SETTLERS from Europe. This skewed perspective proves that you do not understand who the Boer people are as they DID NOT COME from Europe! The Boers are from the Cape.
The fact that so many Boers died is PROOF of a genocide. A genocide does not have to entail the total extermination of an entire people [ that is only the more EXTREME form of genocide ] as all a genocide entails is for the death / extermination of at least a portion of the people targeted. The Boers never engaged in the sort of genocide that you folks did. While they did kill a lot of folks in BATTLE they did not round up civilians into concentration camps.
Now you keep erroneously asserting that Boers were Colonists. So alright wise ass: what Colonial power were they acting on behalf of? How can a group of impoverished nomadic pastoralists be Colonists? The Boers had no real power oft heir own as they were often under the suzerainty of the British [ & certainly hemmed in by them ] & only had a limited form of self determination. Those facts PROVE that they had no power to be Colonists.
I know you did not want Kruger's terms but the fact is that he acquiesced on the matter of citizenship [ reducing it from 14 years to 5 years ] but it was not good enough for you as you WANTED the war. This fact was mentioned on a CBC documentary program about the Anglo-Boer War. But I suppose the CBC is in bed with the Boer Republicans according to your delusional paranoid world.
Nothing will change the fact that Britain committed a genocide against the Boers as they killed off civilians & children. The ground up glass hook & razors is not "dogma" but empirical evidence & a bag of the stuff is on display at the Anglo-Boer War museum in Bloemfontein. Not everyone fell for it as they began to wise up & a Boer guest on an American shortwave radio program noted that the Boers in the camps soon warned others about this & to specifically stay away from white powder.
Furthermore the Boers were not fighting over land per se: they were fighting for their freedom & for their republics. Even the Socialist blogger Wessels van Rensburg noted this on his Mhambi blog. Well your skewed definition of genocide certainly does give carte blanche to killers because you claim it is not a genocide s long as there still exists some people left of the targeted group.
Well you protest that there was not a genocide the same way the Nazi genocide deniers protest. Yet you hypocritically assert one genocide but deny another while applying the SAME criteria. Talk about two faced. That is a vile lie. The Boers were not fighting over someone eles' land! Alright wise ass: whose land were they fighting over? Can you even NAME the people whose land they were allegedly "fighting" over? you can not because there were none. The land in question was vacated uponsettlment.
You can not have it both ways! you claimed that a genocide only occurs when the WHOLE population is killed off! Ergo: you can not then turn around & claim a Jewish genocide & deny a Boer genocide as both groups were not entirely killed off. The Boers ARE integrated: otherwise if they were not you would not be propagandizing against them so much as it would be easier to remove a foreign community than it is to remove a long established indigenous one. The indigenous nature of the Boers vexes you.
The rational that you used to deny the Boer Holocaust / genocide was that not all of the Boers were killed / exterminated. Yet CURIOUSLY you do not apply the SAME logic to the Jewish Holocaust. Therefore you apply a DOUBLE standard because you assert that the Jews were "exterminated" when many left & survived. Either the Boers & Jews were exterminated in a genocide or those who survived constitute the event as a "non genocide" if you were to be consistent with your vile rhetoric.
Furthermore even your Jewish example is acrimoniously contested as there are Germans [ & others ] who contest that there ever was a systematic genocide against Jews JUST AS YOU DO with the Boers. [ interestingly the Curator of the Auschwitz Museum: Dr. Franciszek Piper stated that the gas chamber was built AFTER the war. ] Therefore you are not in good company & are a Boer Holocaust Denier. You then erroneouly state that the Jews were "exterminated" when in reality a lot of Jews escaped.
For the Boers to be Colonists: they would have had to be the OPPOSITE of what they were & would have had to somehow find Capital just to pull off the nature of running even the most rudimentary colony with even the pretense of a functioning government. BTW. The Boers HATED government & rarely lived near one. Professor Wallace Mills notes that Boer political notions verged on anarchy & American libertarian author noted that the Boers lived a pastoral anarchism lifestyle on the frontier.
How did a nomadic pastoralist people with no significant technology administer these alleged Boer Colonies? How did an anti authoritarian people [ Joseph Stromberg. Journal for Libertarian Studies 1999. ] impose authority over people they did not want to govern over? These valid questions could go on forever because the inherent contradictions between your erroneous assessment & the ACTUAL reality of the Boers is endless.
What was the mandate of this alleged act of colonization? What resources did the Boers extract? How did nomadic pastoralists extract resources? How did their near stone age reality transform them into "colonists"? By the time resources were discovered the Boers had exited for centuries. The only people who benifited from the resources were you Brits who mined them & still own them to this day. The Boers do not even fit ONE single criteria to be classified as a Colonist.
The Boers are not Colonists as they started out as nomadic pastoralists who were not under the protection of the State & lived off the land in the wild. It is IMPOSSIBLE for a band of nomadic impoverished pastoralists to ever able to be Colonists. What Colonial power where acting on behalf of? What Capital did these bartering nomads use to invest in their alleged colonies? What land did they specifically colonize? Where were they stationed? Who was the administrator of the Boer Colonies? Etc.
@Pinard7 You Boers are colonists from Europe - a mixture of Dutch, Swiss, French and some English according to your Eugine Terra Blanche or whatever his name was. Nomadic means you might not mind wondering some more when the Africans (the real ones) kick you out. You can sing your Delarey until the f*@king cows come home. It won't help you and your self obsessed little band of wanna be victims.
Well well well. So you admit that you are aiming at "driving the Boers out" by a "more clinical war". This is just as I have long suspected because you British modern imperialists are certainly behind fostering the whole Uhuru so as to make South Africa safe for Capitalist imperialism. The fact that your actions led to the death of 50% of the Boer child population is EVIDENCE of genocide. The Boers are not Colonists as they started out as nomadic pastoralists who were not under the protection.
Forget the politics.It says well of men that they fight for what they believe in.The boers put up a brave resistance against the british empire.They taught the british a few harsh lessons during the war.Because of this the british army learnt new tactics and training so that 12 years after the boer war we went into world war one with one of the best armies we have ever sent overseas.
@daggers39 Where are you from? A land of green fields where little bunny rabbits hop about beneath a nice cute rainbow. Did all those poor sods go to war twelve years later with smiles on their faces, secure in the knowledge that their commanders had learnt the art of war from the Boers. The Boer was not doing us a favor mate. How many of the poor sods never came back. The grave yards are full of poor brave men who died for what someone else believed. 'It says well of men' - Christ Almighty!
The British did not just kill men in the battlefield but also larger numbers of the civilian population. An act that would today be called a war crime. Dressing it up as a "necessary" act of war does not negate from the brutality of the act nor the immoral nature of it. The denial of the genocide this caused does not lessen the reality of it & it constitutes a genocide under the Genocide Convention.
@Pinard7 " Amid the farm burning and hunting down of the civilain population there was one redeeming feature of the English soldiers, both officers and men were unfailingly humane.This was so well known that there was no hesitation in abandoning a wounded man to the mercy of the troops in the sure knowledge that he would be carefully nursed. A certainty which went to soften the asperities of war" -- Deneys Reitz . From his book Commando,a journal of the Boer war. He should know,he was there.
@turkey08041954 I do not see the relevance in the curiously selected quote because while some British & Boer Generals [ such as none other than De la Rey ] were humane to the wounded on the other side it does not negate from the genocidal policies of the British Empire. One could just as easily pick out a quote putting a Nazi or Soviet soldier in a good light but it does not negate from the larger barbarity of their top command.
@Pinard7 You discard the quote because it does't square with your blinkered view of the world. The scorched earth policy of the British was barbaric but it was a successful attempt at cutting Boer supply lines which won the war. We won ugly but we won.
In Russia in the beginning of XX cent very popular was song "Boer and his sons" (translate from Russian) " Under the big tree sit old boer and cry About what you cry old man? About my homeland which burned by enemy I have seven sons Two fall on the war and five fight for freedom My oldest son was grey-haired and my younger son was only 12 But he say me that I dont be ashamed of him He was killed in first battle Now is severe times for my land Woman pray for our sons! God dont leave us!"
kent684 1 week ago
BONA NA CROIN
tommydortch 3 weeks ago
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The fucking Boers are pathetic. For a couple of centuries they enslaved, murdered and stole from anyone with darker skin than them but once they get screwed by a greater power they start bleating about ‘genocide’ and being ‘holocaust victims’. Racist, god-bothering Dutch cunts.
Wingatewasright 3 weeks ago
Who tamed this land?The brave enough to endure the hardships of this beautiful country at the bottom of Africa. Only FARMERS=BOER had the knowledge and courage to create something out of nothing. And fight the English (twice) to sustain the explorers of the "new" world.Nl, Fr,Gr etc, contributed, earning the name "BOER", mixing cultures, best practises, and language, inorder to survive.... EARNING the name BOER!! So...call yourself a "Boer" if your ancestors were here more than 250 years ago
oubul1 1 month ago
You should of just bowed down to the might of the British empire then shouldn't you. And what about the genocide you boers carried out when you took out your commandos and exterminated the san peoples of the kalahari, oh and the zulus. Rule Brittania.
eddthefuck 2 months ago
@eddthefuck LOL! Bow down to the might of the British Empire? Rule Brittania? In my country, since 1776, not so much.
kentamitchell 1 month ago
very funny! and interesting!! i understand what they are singing! i am dutch so it is easy to me! one year ago we find out that my family fought there! and one familiymember was advisor of mr P.Kruger
MsFrenchmen 3 months ago
The world is sitting idle as the Boers are being exterminated, there is a genocide happening right in front of us and yet we do nothing, their white you see
VigisKane 4 months ago
True but at least the folks at Genocide Watch have been paying attention & have been warning the world of the Boer genocide since at least nine years ago. Genocide Watch went back & did a follow up. There is a lot of denial by governments because there is an elitist agenda aimed at trying to get the world to forget that the Boer even exist or ever existed as can be seen with the deliberate redacting from the history books any mention of them & the renaming of Boer towns & streets as well.
Pinard7 4 months ago
@VigisKane True say. The ANC, a party revered as 'tolerant' has a youth leader who preaches that whites should be exterminated. Disgusting, and shameful. But it's okay to preach hate against people if they're white...
cinottawa 3 months ago
viva holandia
bengiede2de 4 months ago
This was was financed by jews for jews. Just as the jews are killing white soldiers in their quest for oil in Iraq, they were back then killing Brits and Boers for African gold. Look up Lord Nathan Rothschild, Barnet Isaacs, Ernest Oppenheimer, Alfred Beit, Yehuda Porges. Cheers.
graddlar 4 months ago 3
@graddlar ai ai ai, how can you blame the jews? Every single person who wrote a word in the bible was Jewish, Jesus was Jewish, wich makes God Jewish, His people and His nation, maybe the Jewish people prefer to fight with money rather then guns, we can all learn from that.
faniepretorius 4 months ago
@graddlar You nailed it exactly how it is.
Kind regards from Holland.
og4lmf 3 months ago
@graddlar I blame religion alltogether
ViccardXViccc 3 months ago in playlist Favorieten van ViccardXViccc
@graddlar kankerboer
biocuts 3 months ago
Does black Africans really hate all white boers =( ?
888Julias 4 months ago
Greetings from your Dutch Brothers !
888Julias 4 months ago 2
I Salute you AFRICANA
MACK1hog 4 months ago in playlist Liked
Proud to be Dutch!
Wazztheweasel 5 months ago
@Wazztheweasel proud to an Afrikaans dutch decendant :)
sasprawler 4 months ago 2
im proud of my ancestors!!!! Boers we are the best !!!!
PE3RRA4 5 months ago
Although I'm a Engelsman/Sout P--l / South African. Loads of Afrikaans friends when I was a kid. Did my 2 years national duty including Angola and all, what horrendous memories that brings. But Die Stem and these songs still stir me with pride. Where would SA be without the sheer determination of the Boer.
FOscum 5 months ago
Loving it watching Londoners catch a taste of their own medicine.Justice!
CharlieALabtech 5 months ago
...Rule Britania, Britania rules the sea...
DerFeindr 6 months ago
Lutarm pela liberdade de seu povo.....e contra o dominio britanico..
frkboer 6 months ago
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Fuck You British
pappaperenkut 6 months ago
FUCK THE BRITISH!!!
Mujangga 6 months ago
@Mujangga "fuck the British" Please don't...keep your genes to yourself
MrStarbuck123 6 months ago
@MrStarbuck123
You're right, I wouldn't want my genes to straiten their crooked teeth nor elevate their taste above that of toilette humor...
Mujangga 6 months ago
@Mujangga I don't want your American, oh sorry Canadian McDonalds infected genes to fatten us, or lower our intelligence to that of an apple's.
MrStarbuck123 6 months ago
Russians was with boers in 1899-1902 Maximov was general of Transvaal army Now problems of boers are similar russian problems
kent684 6 months ago
Ek is Afrikaans en trots op dit!!!!!!
Afrikaaner777 6 months ago
@Afrikaaner777 ek is ook!! :)
sasprawler 5 months ago
all Briton has left is northern Ireland
fjordking 6 months ago
@fjordking Incorrect, "The United Kingdom" formely known as the British Empire has possession of four countries: England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Island. Aswell as a few colonies internationally, the main being the Falklands.
DrewGK 6 months ago
Really .....were the Afrikaners not the decendants from the Boers ...??? Really where are you comming from .....the Boers are the Afrikaners and the Afrikaners are the Boers and yes ......from Dutch, German, English and other European and even African forefathers - amazing to see that the Nazi's were not the first to invent concentration camps - but the English .....so sorry about all the woman and children that died in those camps ....sorry mate I do care about Morals ...Australia
pvdleo 7 months ago
They were brave enemies of the British Empire. I am saddened that this war had to happen. Rest in peace all the brave British and Boer soldiers.
NathanH97 7 months ago
This is BOLLOCKS Mark. Bloody Dutchmen fighting the British in a land that doesn't belong to either of them. Fucking Wankers!
FIRSTBORNE1 7 months ago
fuck the english
bozkurt83 8 months ago
@bozkurt83
hmm, and fuck you too mate. We owned an empire 1/4 of the world. So, yeah. who cares about Morals. That's for weak people.
WolfytheWolf5667 7 months ago
@WolfytheWolf5667 God Save the Queen!!!
jthofner 7 months ago
@WolfytheWolf5667 Errrrr thats the problem with England no morals,no decency,no respect, no compassion and no honour. Who is weak then?
azanianlion 7 months ago
@WolfytheWolf5667 Can't tell if trolling... or just retarded.
taurenmilkco 6 months ago
@bozkurt83 why?
THEGATHERING20 7 months ago
the british have a pretty good winning streak ae better luck next time chaps
MilbyDragonBlade 8 months ago
Dis hoog tyd om op God te vertrou en saam te staan soos een man.
AntiMalema 8 months ago
Die lied van my hart - ek is trots op wie ek is en waar my nasie vandaan kom.
Die tyd kom al nader...
AntiMalema 8 months ago
boers have the same fighting spirit as us southerners,remember the fallen of both the boers and the csa...you are not forgotten......
keithehlert 8 months ago
Greetings to all Afrikaaner people!
CrazyLeiFeng 8 months ago
"The British held thousands of Boer women and children in the first ever concentration camps" (sic) Is not accurate, the first concentration camps were established in Cuba as early as 1895, by the Spaniard Governor General Valeriano Weyler y Nicolau, Marquis of Tenerife. Cuban women and children starved to death on those "Re-concentration camps" spread out all over the island. ( Cuba's war for independence 1895 to 1898)
eltessy 8 months ago 6
@eltessy ah in that case, it was completely human, legal, and normal for the British to let them starve.
Idiot.
ViccardXViccc 8 months ago
The innocent victims of the concentration camps in Cuba and in South Africa in late 1890's and early 1900's were mostly civilians, the number of people who died in Cuba during the re-concentration were almost 400, 000 but little is known about it abroad. What the british did to the boers was a horrific crime like that the Spaniards did to the Cubans on the same period of history
eltessy 7 months ago
@eltessy ya so the British still murdered thousands of innocent Boer women and children. The funny part is that in WWII, the British were disgusted by Nazi death camps while they did the same thing 50 years earlier,,,hypocrites!
sasprawler 5 months ago
@sasprawler, No concentration camps are "funny" and im ashamed that such camps were set up. Its not a typicaly British thing to do, trust. However, there are nasty bastards wherever you go
t1t296 4 months ago
@eltessy And that makes what the British did to the Afrikaans and Boer population SOO much better.
cinottawa 3 months ago
dam colonials.lol
mak34237 8 months ago
the british should have had em lol
XXRichardBXX 9 months ago
Even with its resources, it's surprising that anyone would fight and die for the shit hole known as South Africa
Goatoftheforest 10 months ago
THE BRITS GOT TAUGHT A LOT OF THE BOERS THERE TACTICS WERE STILL VOLLEY AND CHARGE OF THE WATERLOO PERIOD. HOWEVER , YOUR COUNTRY WAS TOOK OFF YOU BY OLD CECIL RHODES FOR THE DIAMONDS , JUST LIKE YOU STOLE IT OF THE BOERS AND I NOTICE YOUR GERMAN FRIENDS TOOK ON THE IDEA OF THE CONCENTRATION QUITE WELL LOL ,
LeePenn2492 10 months ago
Just one problem: the Boers did not run South Africa & the notion that they ever did stems from the mythology of the Afrikaners who HIJACKED the heritage of the Boers & tried to claim it as their own. The majority of the Afrikaners are not descended from the Boers but in fact from the Cape Dutch. The pro British folks who WORKED against Boer self determination. The Boers tried to restore their Boer Republics during the 1940s but were PREVENTED by the Afrikaner establishment in control.
Pinard7 10 months ago 17
@Pinard7 Boers=dutch colonists with no connection to the home nation. I think.
I don't quite understand what point you're making.
The Boers did actually control South Afrika before the second British invasion (For those who forgot, there were TWO wars. If I remember correctly, the Boers won the first one.)
taurenmilkco 6 months ago
No you are totally wrong. First the Boers have very few actual Dutch roots as they are mostly of German / Frisian / Danish & French Huguenot origin. No. The Boers are not colonists as they sprang up on African soil out of the diverse people that the VOC dumped at the Cape LONG before the formal arrival of European Colonists. That's what makes the Boers unique: they are an African people who were not under the protection of a foreign power.
Pinard7 5 months ago
No. The Boers never controlled the State known as South Africa as created by the British but they did control their own Boer Republics during the 19th cent. One of which was called the South African Republic. [ The Transvaal Republic. ] This Boer Republic along with the Orange Free State Republic were conquered during the second Anglo-Boer War. Then they were made into provinces of the British created South Africa & administered by the general local White population.
Pinard7 5 months ago
There Boers were / are outnumbered within the larger local White population.
Pinard7 5 months ago
@Pinard7 lol? pro british? why didn't do that in 1961? ( for a south africa like the old one but without apartheid¡¡¡)
breizhcatalonia1993 4 months ago
The Cape Dutch of the 19th cent were indeed pro British as noted by Professor Hermann Giliomee [ who was a Broederbonder who propagandizes against the Boers ] & noted extensively in the book Cecil Rhodes and the Cape Afrikaners by Mordechai Tamarkin. The point I was trying to get across was that most so called Afrikaners are of Cape Dutch decent as the term Afrikaner was imposed onto all Afrikaans speakers with the Boers being a minority under the Afrikaner designation.
Pinard7 4 months ago
@Pinard7 Hahahaha, where the hell do you get your info from...i dont like arguments on a web site, ...its very easy actualy, we were more known as afrikaners, but since coloureds akso want see them selfs as afrikaners we prefer the word boer, it just implies white afrikaans speaking south african...easy peasy
faniepretorius 4 months ago
The statistics on the Cape Dutch population versus the Boer population bear this out. THAT is where I get "my info from". There were & still are more Cape Dutch descendents than Boer descendents. Further: notable leaders like D F Malan & Hendrik Verwoerd were not from the Boer population [ Malan was from the Cape Dutch & Verwoerd was from the Dutch of the Netherlands ] . Further note: the Cape Boers of the frontier are not part of the Cape Dutch.
Pinard7 2 months ago
The term Cape Dutch was coined by the Trekboers to describe the folks they left behind at the western Cape region whom Professor Wallace Mills noted were DIFFERENT from the Boers of the frontier. Not all White Afrikaans speaking South Africans were or are Boers! There have always been far MORE Cape Dutch Afrikaans speakers than Boers. The Boers developed & emerged on the Cape frontier during the late 17th cent. This bifurcation led to the emergence of TWO White Afrikaans speaking peoples.
Pinard7 2 months ago
The Boer people are only about 34 % of the total White Afrikaans speaking population. The reporter Jan Stürmann noted that the Boer population stand at 1.5 million. Out of a total White Afrikaans population of approx 3.5 million. He noted within the article that many Boers do not see themselves as Afrikaners. Theuns Cloete of Boervolk Radio noted on a shortwave radio interview that the Afrikaners stole the heritage of the Boers. This is significant because it subverts Boer self determination.
Pinard7 2 months ago
Furthermore the Boer people lost 50 % / half of their child population within the British created concentration camps. When you hypocrites talk about "real Africans" you should put your money where your mouth is & give Britain back to the "real British" Celts whose land you stole & whom your ancestors displaced. The Boer people acquired their land through settlement & not from open conquest as your ancestors did concerning the Celtic peoples whom were displaced & survivors pushed west.
Pinard7 10 months ago
When the Boers set up their various Boer Republics they always respected the independence of the various Bantu peoples while the British on the other hand never respected the independence of any group in the region as their agenda was to impose their power on the region. The Boers often in alliances with various local tribes while the British were only interested in conquest.
Pinard7 10 months ago
The Boer Republics might have had very small numbers of Bantu peoples but they were granted autonomy / independence as noted on page 7 of The Rise Fall & Legacy of Apartheid by anti-apartheid activist P Eric Louw so you can not even accuse the Boers of having stolen land within their old republics as they had respected the independence of the Bantu held regions. The British were the ones who stole land from Boer / Bantu & Khoisan alike yet you only ever attack Boers for defending themselves.
Pinard7 10 months ago
The various Bantu peoples [ who displaced the ABORIGINAL Africans / Khoisan peoples ] lost their land due to BRITISH invasion & conquest. The British conquered the Xhosas in the mid 19th cent & annexed their land to the Cape. The British conquered the Zulus in 1879 & annexed their land to Natal. Note that those are the two largest Bantu groups in South Africa & note how that not one of them was found within the Boer Republics.
Pinard7 10 months ago
@Pinard7 The Boers had given Dingane a sound thrashing and annexed Zulu land, and you comment about how the British did the same? And the Matabele? Did the Boers just buy their land?
ImperialistRunningDo 9 months ago
No. The Boers did not annex Zululand as the left the Zulus independent under Mpande whom Pretorious had entered into an alliance with. If the Boers allegedly "annexed" Zululand then why the hell did the British have to conquer it in a bloody [ the adj - not the curse word ] war which they almost lost? You anti-Boer propagandists NEVER seem to rectify your cognitive dissonance on this topic because if the Boers "annexed" Zululand than they should have fought the Boers [ 1843 ] for it & not Zs.
Pinard7 9 months ago
The Matabele were chased over the Limpopo River AFTER they attacked the Boers & ever since to today live within Zimbabwe. The Boers bought & negotiated for large tracts of land [ as admitted by even Swazi historians ] & settled into vast depopulated sections. The British annexation of the region entailed the annexation of the LARGEST Bantu groups while only very small numbered Bantu groups were within the Boer Republics & P Eric Louw notes that those groups maintained their independence.
Pinard7 9 months ago
The Boers did not annex the Bantus within the Boer Republics in the manner that the British did with the whole region. The Boers never subscribed to the imperial notion of subjugating a people as they knew that they had to have friendly relations with neighbours in order to secure a sustainable peace in the region. The Boers always believed that it was best to leave peoples to govern themselves within their own region.
Pinard7 9 months ago
The Boers are in fact real Africans as they developed on African soil. The Boers are more real Africans than the Americans are real Americans as the Boers developed as a nomadic pastoral tribal people who cut all ties to Europe as noted by authors such as Sidney Robbins on page 59 of The Devil's Annexe & Oliver Ransford in The Great Trek. The Boers did not displace anyone when they established their Boer Republics as the particular region where they settled was depopulated by the Difaqane prior.
Pinard7 10 months ago
LMAO what a peice of crap :L Neither people are brave, what about the poor real africans that lost THEIR land :L
musclepunched 10 months ago
LMAO what a peice of crap :L
musclepunched 10 months ago
The Boers have NEVER proposed kicking anyone out of their own countries. The various Bantus within the Boer Republics generally come from the Transkei [ former Xhosalanad that the British conquered & annexed to the Cape. ] & Kwa Zulu [ former Zululand that the British conquered & annexed to Natal. ] It's "should have" not "should of". Furthermore your call to Boer genocide is dully noted & on the record to be used in any court proceeding against you in the future. Recant now or face the court.
Pinard7 10 months ago
@KKKSuperFan If we are monsters how did we end up getting rid of slaves first got rid of cults people eating people sacrafices and many more I think we done a good thing for the world.
solidsnake117100 10 months ago
@solidsnake117100 The few acts of good by you people dont even come close to accounting the dispicable acts of evil.
TheVideoWatcha 10 months ago
@TheVideoWatcha You are the ones trying to kick out the blacks out of thier OWN country you wont even let them join your farming life they have to be white and belive in god you make me sick you facist scums My grand father should of killed you all.Kill the Boeres the racist, sound familier to you?
solidsnake117100 10 months ago
@solidsnake117100 You people sicken me. The British outnumbered the Boers 10 to one at least, yet they were still able to defeat the British in the first Boer war and re-establish their independence. Then in the second war you pigs took the Boers wives and children to interment camps and burned their farms. All this inflicted severe casualties to the people, but the British didn't seem to care as long as they got their way. I hope you`re proud of your murderer grandfather, I wouldn't be.
TheVideoWatcha 10 months ago
@TheVideoWatcha Wrong in the 1st war you out numbered us and beat us by hinding in cliffs while we were gentle men in the 2nd the piont of the camps was to make you submit and it worked,and yes i'm proud of my graand father I shall finish the task that he did not he killed over 10.ooo boeres with his leadership lets see if I can make it to lets see all of you the REAL Africians will be happy and will aid us we both hate you your like a fly to us our motto is only the strong will survive.
solidsnake117100 10 months ago
@solidsnake117100 The boar war was wasteful and unnecessary and fueled by British greed and their apparent superiority complex. You, like you're grandfather, are the filth of the earth. You paint yourselves as gentlemen? Gentlemen don't kill thousands of people without good reason. No matter how you spin it what you people did was simply wrong. I would spit on you were we face to face, but you're not even worth that.
TheVideoWatcha 10 months ago
@TheVideoWatcha I would kill you with the Lee enfield the gun that killed the Boeres but I don't like to waste bullets and make you watch as your familiy was bayoneted through the chest by me, and watch as they slowley died I would not burrie them because they don't deserve any respect one day your Peoples bloood will flow through S.A and the corpes left to be chewed apon by Wolves and birds and Lord Kichener will laugh at it so will Winstin Churchell and south Africia will be retaken by blacks.
solidsnake117100 10 months ago
@solidsnake117100 What you just said proves to me that everything you've said is completely invalid haha. You have done a great job of proving your people's brutish idiocy to me. You're threatening to bayonet my family simply because I contradict you. I'm sure you're grandfather would be proud. Also, if you're British, why don't you learn to speak English.
TheVideoWatcha 10 months ago
@TheVideoWatcha Ha thats nothing go and talk to a Irishman and ask him what we did to them you got it easy,and I can speak proper English unlike you who can't spell or put in punchation in you writing and what would you know about anything you are just a peasant leave it to us nobles to do all the work you farmer prat you can't even call your self a gentle man like us ypur just animals.
solidsnake117100 10 months ago
Thanks to Coppertop for those great comments. Simsdisiwe: The Boers are Africans as they developed on African soil. The Boers were long since an Africanized people [ they even called themselves Africans ] before the Colonial powers arrived in the region. The Boers emerged from the impoverished nomadic pastoralists of the Cape frontier whose ancestors could not survive in the grinding class conscious society at Cape Town. The Boers are a homegrown folk who trekked away from the Cape Dutch folk.
Pinard7 10 months ago
Instigation between Boer and Bantu tribes (used by British in South Africa), as well as later manipulation of Afrikaners (Cape Dutch in majority) to instill seperation between European and Bantu (note I don't say African since Boere ARE African), and done after the Boere had already made the journey inland through the Groot Trek to attempt to get away from all this political nonsense, is from any angle the biggest contributor leading to apartheid. Verwoerd was a pawn and a traitor clear as day.
coppertop2710 11 months ago
@coppertop2710 Boere are Africans? since when back it up I don't understand
simdisiwe 11 months ago
@coppertop2710 What drug are you on? Under Verwoerd, SA basked in economic prosperity For 1 Rand, one could buy 2 dollars. During apartheid, most blacks had a job. British/Jewish greed caused the Boer war. The British invented concentration camps. They even tried to hide the Boer genocide but Emily Hobhouse exposed it. All wars are caused by GREED. That includes Iraq & Afghanistan. Grow up and smell the coffee!
jh12342 11 months ago
I tire of British like him that in today's day and age are too feeble to admit that as colonialists in the past they'd used everything from direct warfare to manipulative coersion to greedily try and claim land for themselves and cause animosity amonst people in those places.
Luckily, all aren't as deluded as him, but sadly many still today are ignorant and unable to see their own past for the devious, absolutely inhumane, greedy, and selfish approach it was.
coppertop2710 11 months ago
I tire of British like him that in today's day and age are too feeble to admit that as colonialists in the past they'd used everything from direct warfare to manipulative coersion to greedily try and claim land for themselves and cause animosity amonst people in those places.
coppertop2710 11 months ago
Futhermore all I see escole48 doing here is attempting to bait Pinard7, clearly because he has not substantial information about Boers in South Africa and who we truly are and knows nothing of our history. Pinard7 has his facts posted here for all to go verify.
coppertop2710 11 months ago
@TheBeechingAxe - By that statement (as a Boer South African that grew up with some of my first and best childhood friends being Shangaan in Limpopo and later Zulu friends in Natal, but am now having to bide my time amongst pompous self-righteous blind and delusional Brits in London), that this makes the British the idiots (especially if they are all as misled as escole48 is). He is probably one of those that believes everything the sensation seeking newspapers here in London writes is true.
coppertop2710 11 months ago
If one, of any race, does not understand which race they are, then they are truly some kind of idiot.
TheBeechingAxe 11 months ago
Never forget the crime against civilized humanity that was the British Genocide against the Boers. Orange Free State forever!
LagniappesGuy 11 months ago
What a supreme joke you are as just about everything you wrote is so far out of touch with reality that it is a miracle you can even find the proper keys when typing as you are the one who has constructed an elaborate delusion. Furthermore you refuse to do any actual research but sure like to throw incendiary verbiage against a people who have done nothing to you except stand in the way of an empire you shill for. Posting insulting garbage is no substitute for facts or authentic counterpoint.
Pinard7 11 months ago
@Pinard7 You research stuff you can mis-quote for your own twisted dogma. The Boers are not an African race and should not wallow over a fake genocide to paint yourselves as martyrs. It's obscene and vulger. You are a bunch of colonial chancers who came up against another race of colonists and fought over a land that was stolen by both from the African. You can't be a wolf and cry wolf at the same time. Eat your medicine kid - the world is a big place. You can't live in 1900 not anymore.
escole48 11 months ago
I noted that even General De la Rey [ which is what the song is mainly about ] was fair to wounded British soldiers. BUT what I called you on was how you were trying to use it to distract from or to downplay the brutal actions of the British Empire. Learn about the concept of context. All I see from you is discredited junk data & other assorted fiction. You have made no effort to learn about the actual Boer Nation. No doubt you serve a destructive agenda to lie with abandon.
Pinard7 11 months ago
The point of the Keegan quote is to demonstrate that the Boers did not have a Colonial outlook as they often entered into alliances with local tribes & even lived under their rule at times. He showed how the racial imperialist outlook was started by the British & not from the insular Boers. I did not discard the Reitz quote. I simply put it in context.
Pinard7 11 months ago
I find it telling that you compare a song about killing Boers [ in truth it is probably about killing White people in general - including you smart ass - because the authors of that song refer to all White people as "Boers" ] with a song about honouring General De la Rey. You are one screwed up fellow.
Pinard7 11 months ago
I found the book Colonial South Africa & the Origins of the Racial Order by doing a web search for Boer related information. I have found a lot of books on the Boers by just doing a web search. There are also many books posted on Google Books for free to read. The fact that you have to interject a calumnious angle only betrays your desperation at attempting to negate the valid information I posted.
Pinard7 11 months ago
That trait was a Colonial import with the creation of the South African macro State. The restoration of the Boer Republics would allow for the local established Bantu tribes in the north & west to re-establish their own self determination as well. The Boers do not want to govern them as the British South African State made the Afrikaner do. The Boers are every bit as African as any other African group.
Pinard7 11 months ago
None other than the late Robert van Tonder [ who was calling for the restoration of the Boer Republics since 1961 when the usurper Verwoerd turn South Africa into a nominal republic ] publicly stated that the Boers must STOP employing the if they ever hope to reacquire their self determination. All of the peoples have the right to govern themselves within their own countries. This is EXACTLY what the Boers support too as they have no desire to rule over non-Boer peoples.
Pinard7 11 months ago
The Boers do not "paint" themselves as victims. The reality of their past speaks for itself & we all know that YOU did indeed victimize them. The Boers are not comparable to Romans as they are not connected to a single Colonial power. The Boers are the total product of Africa & have no other home in the world. The employment of other ethnic / national groups should be stopped by Boers as it led to their dispossession of their own republics in the first place through British mine policies.
Pinard7 11 months ago
The British took Johannesburg by de facto LONG before they conquered the Boer Republics. The British did not conquer the Boer Republics just for the gold but rather to prevent the Boers from being a threat to British control of the region. Which is why you STILL propagate against the Boers today as you STILL view them as a threat even though most Boers live under the poverty line by design.
Pinard7 11 months ago
Furthermore his source was a one J A Heese who wrote a book about the ethnic origins of the White Afrikaans speakers in general in 1971. The book was suppressed by the old National Party government. The British took Johannesburg by de facto LONG before they conquered the Boer Republics. The British did not conquer the Boer Republics just for the gold but rather to prevent the Boers from being a threat to British control of the region.
Pinard7 11 months ago
BTW your Wizard of Oz like denial of the continued strength of the British Empire only serves to marginalize you as all anyone has to do is to read the fine print & discover how British companies own South African ones & funds the major political parties & movements. I have never read anything which would lead myself to believe that André van Rensburg supports the cause of Boer self determination. He did not even identify himself as a Boer even though he is of Boer descent.
Pinard7 11 months ago
The fact of the matter is that it is YOU folks who treat Africans like lackeys. The Boers at least have respect for them as people entitled to self determination. Even the controversial & likely intelligence controlled late Eugene Terre'Blanche supported Bantu & Coloured self determination not just Boer self determination.
Pinard7 11 months ago
After all why would anyone find this inconsequential song offensive unless you are a shill for the same oppressive power mentioned in this song. The Boers only really had one notable run in with the Zulus because the then King Dingaan thought he could wipe out at least the Natal contingent of Boers. So basically you are an ideological successor of Dingaan / Rhodes / Verwoerd etc. All folks who thought they could eliminate or co-opt the Boer Nation.
Pinard7 11 months ago
That is what irks you is that the Boers will not go away & you are sore that you & your Afrikaner lackeys could not totally eliminate them. Which is why you HATE Louis Pepler & his song as it has awakened the Boer people in way not seen since the time they started calling for the restoration of the Boer Republics back in the 1940s when your Afrikaner lackeys organized against them & broke the movement to nothing.
Pinard7 11 months ago
The Boers did not grab land like the British did. The Boers have the inherent & unalienable right to self determination. Framing it up as a religious consideration does not negate the right to self determination. What a joke accusing the Boers of being a "blighted race" coming from someone who committed a genocide & then REFUSED to call it such. You are no better than a neo Nazi. Once again you are employing the word change as a clever euphemism for elimination.
Pinard7 11 months ago
Once again you threaten to drive the Boers out for the crime of having developed as a distinct people on the African continent. The point was that the Boers allowed the Bantus to govern themselves & did not impose their rule over them like the British did & like the Afrikaner [ Cape Dutch & Boer political coalition of which the Cape Dutch dominated ] later did to an extent. The Boers always allowed Bantu self government & left Bantu lands for the Bantus.
Pinard7 11 months ago
The South African State was created by you folks & you still run it lock stock & barrel. You high finance Capitalists are the only people to benefit from its existence as the poor of all races remain poor & are getting poorer. There were no Boers in Europe EVER thus the Boers are NOT FROM EUROPE. The Boers are from the Cape where they developed into a distinct people. The Boers have no memory of Europe & have been part of the African landscape for their entire existence since the start.
Pinard7 11 months ago
No the Boers NEVER wanted the gold. They tried to PREVENT the gold from being extracted as they knew it could spell the end of their independence in the ZAR. American author Howard Hillegas specifically noted this fact in the book Oom Paul's People & author Michael Barthorp also noted that the Boers did not want the gold in his book: The Anglo-Boer Wars. What a joke because you folks still to this day deny any African [ Boer / Bantu & Khoisan alike ] the right to the gold & other resources.
Pinard7 11 months ago
The Boers are not European settlers & no Boer even had any memory of Europe & did not even believe a Europe existed until the British told them about it later. How can a people so estranged from Europe who only identify themselves as Africans [ ever since the late 17th cent ] who had no memory of Europe be legitimately called "Europeans". It is impossible as you are employing an inapplicable designation onto an African people / nation.
Pinard7 11 months ago
@Pinard7 I'm afraid that I'm off to the pub on this fine Sunday night, but will look at what you've said tomorow. As for the Boer forgetting where he came from with no memory of Europe - well; I think that is a condition called selective memory syndrome. Apparently Boers suffer from it as a symbolic struggle against reality. This enables them to view the real world as an illusion. Toodle pip for now Mr Out-of-touch-with-reality and do continue to rant - try not to burst any blood vessels.
escole48 11 months ago
There is no point because I can tell what you will write as per your past denial. I think a lot of what you state was covered already in Mein Kampf some decades ago by another bigot. Good luck with your attempts at plagiarizing it & substituting the term Jew with Boer. You write the SAME way cavalierly blaming the impoverished Boers while running defense for your atrocious & genocidal actions. The Boers forgot Europe from being in Africa so long as a nomadic pastoral insular folk.
Pinard7 11 months ago
The Boers developed on African soil unlike you folks who did not & came straight from Britain under the Colonial power of the British to set up police state. The Boers paid for their land in blood / sacrifice & lives. Their land it every bit theirs. You folks were a bunch of Colonials in Britain before you stole the land from the Celtic peoples yet no one tells you to leave or adapt. The Boer people acquired legal sovereignty within their old Boer Republics which was recognized around the world.
Pinard7 11 months ago
The Africans will not put up with you & are TIRED of your continued control on this region. After all: the Boers have no power whatsoever within the region while you folks still own & run the banks / fund political parties & the media / run the mines & the South African economy in general. The problem in South Africa is YOU not the marginalized & impoverished Boer Nation.
Pinard7 11 months ago
The Boers are Africans as Africa is where they developed. You folks did not develop in Africa & as such are Colonists. Even President Zuma publicly acknowledges that the Boers [ & Afrikaners in general ] are the White tribe of Africa. Furthermore your own fellow compatriot David Harrison wrote a book on the macro Afrikaans speakers called The White Tribe of Africa. Explicitly ADMITTING that the Afrikaans speakers are White tribes.
Pinard7 11 months ago
Furthermore undermining the old regime was not a bad thing in itself as the Apartheid regime was very anti-Boer & oppressed the Boer people as well & destroyed the Boer Republican movement to restore the Boer Republics during the 1940s BUT the folks running them were right out of Britain. When the British could no longer afford to be propping up a White run regime they simply recruited the ANC into power. The ANC is simply the latest British proxy regime in the region.
Pinard7 11 months ago
@Pinard7 Why don't you go to the lavatory and really squeeze one out. Your so full of it that your toilet door must be full of teeth marks. Anything that undermines the Boer way is a good thing. The African will not be your lackie anymore. The ANC is not run by Brits - its run by Africans and they want to reclaim the lands that you Boers occupy. Get with the program or get kicked out.
escole48 11 months ago
Talking about yourself I see & back before I even finish responding to your previous trash. So you ADMIT once again a genocidal anti-Boer agenda. The fact is that the African is your lackey as he works for you in MUCH larger numbers. Deny it all you want but the ANC is funded & controlled by you folks. The regime does not want to reclaim land: they simply follow your orders to make the region safe for high finance Capitalism. Reclaiming land would cost them power.
Pinard7 11 months ago
Well for one thing this is not Pinard7 simply making allegations. These are CONFIRMED facts. A high ranking MI6 agent named Stephen Dorril ADMITTED the truth & anyone can see for themselves who funds the ANC & the media empire in South Africa so I am not exactly telling tales out of school as they are verifiable facts. The British might rule South Africa covertly but it is not such a secret & not even too covert. Just as the British banking establishment runs America too in a covert manner.
Pinard7 11 months ago
Catch a wake up call already. Even the media is ultimately owned by British companies. You are once again living in total denial. So now you insinuate that I am "insane" for pointing out the obvious. If you believe that the British Empire is "dead & sterile" then you must be a frequent customer of those selling beachfront property in Montana. You surely can not be as dense as you are coming across or are in even more serious denial than I had thought. The British Empire is covert now.
Pinard7 11 months ago
The Boers did not take over land in the name of a Colonial power nor were they EVER a Colonial power. It is not possible for nomadic impoverished pastoralists to ever be a Colonial power. Colonial powers are ORGANIZED. The Boers are disorganized & were a clan based society [ ie: small / following specific leaders ] Well all Fritz Meyer did was state openly what most people already know from the available evidence. Barclay's Bank OWNS ABSA & many other British instutions OWN South African ones.
Pinard7 11 months ago
So you admit that you are pushing an elitist version of African because the notion of a [ fill in the blank ] only club to qualify as an African should be abhorant as it is the SAME Nazi-esque thinking which led to the Holocaust. The Boers did not colonize Africa. The Boers EMERGED on African soil & settled into LIMITED regions via migrations patterns when they were nomadic pastoralists. The Boers can not be excluded as Africans simply because you do not like them or are lighter skinned.
Pinard7 11 months ago
@Pinard7 They cannot be excluded because they have lighter skin, but they can because they are from Europe and colonized South Africa like British. They can also be excluded if the Africans (the real ones) decide not to put up with your bigotry and kick you out by force and they will if the Boer can't behave himself.
escole48 11 months ago
It is impossible for the Boers to be from Europe when there were no Boers in Europe as they developed m African soil not European soil. The notion of "real Africans" is a dangerous Naziesque concept. The notion of "real Germans" led to genocide. But we all know that is what you promote for the Boers as per your genocidal anti-Boer comments of calling for them to be driven out. The British can not behave: I guess we should then "kick" you out of the region.
Pinard7 11 months ago
There are no "real Africans"! That sort of dangerous & delusional & exclusive thinking is what led to the Nazi ran holocaust as they were big on the notion of "real Germans"! you are so myopic in your blind hatred of the Boer people that you do not even see how you are adopting Nazi rhetoric with your Naziesque notions of "real Africans"! Though I think you are probably well aware of what you are doing so as to "justify" the "driving out" of the Boers that you call for.
Pinard7 11 months ago
Particularly when they had / have no Capital / no standing army / & are not in the employ if any single Colonial power. The Boers "colonized" southern Africa the same way the Khoisan did. Are the Khoisan "colonists" too? Let's get real here & try to look at the facts objectively instead of letting your fierce anti-Boer hatred get in the way of assessing a clear & accurate picture of the actual situation.
Pinard7 11 months ago
Since you know that you can not afford to go to war with the Boers yourself so you push this odious & discredited tripe in order to get your lackeys to do the dirty work for you as you folks did when you ran the British missionary schools & first began to propagate anti-Boer rhetoric. The Boers did not colonize southern Africa as the Boers are a product OF Africa & can not colonize the very land they developed on within their own continent.
Pinard7 11 months ago
Further evidence for this was seen when the Boer government could barely collect taxes from their OWN Boer subjects / citizens. In fact many Boers were so anti government that they were opposed to the formal establishment of a government as they saw it as another control mechanism & taxation racket. These Boers felt government would interrupt their trading with Sothos. The Boers would have made bad Colonists & they would have reverted to their natural insular / anti government tendencies.
Pinard7 11 months ago
The Boers would have been ill suited as Colonists & any Colony that they would have been put in charge of would have probably folded due to neglect as the Boers as a whole were / are just not into running quasi empires as they have no desire to administer or govern over other peoples & tend not to have imperial ambitions as all they ever wanted was to govern themselves: & in a very minimalist & stripped down small government manner.
Pinard7 11 months ago
I am aghast that you appear to believe that the Boers are somehow Colonials when they had / have no Capital [ money ] / no army [ they only ever had the voluntary democratic Commando system which was no standing army as Colonists have ] / no Colonial power. Now I think that you probably do indeed know the truth but are accusing the Boers of being Colonials to score cheap political points & to "drive the Boers out" as you openly admit. The Boer would have been ill suited as Colonists.
Pinard7 11 months ago
When the Boers exchanged rocks of peace with them it was a ceremonial act of reconciliation. The Boers & Zulus have been in varying degrees of alliance with each other ever since despite your old tactics of trying to sow discontent in the region in order to perpetuate your now covert rule over its various peoples. Since you know a revolution is coming you are hoping to use it to forever squeeze out the Boer nation from the region.
Pinard7 11 months ago
The other local Africans sometimes struggle against the Boers but they know that the Boers are from Africa. The Bantus colonized southern Africa & stole the land from the original [ or as you would sat: the TRUE Africans ] Africans: the Khoisan peoples - yet I do not hear you talk about how the Colonist Bantus should give up the land they stole from the Khoisan peoples or how they never integrated into the culture that they usurped when the Colonized the region.
Pinard7 11 months ago
The Mexicans are ALSO descended partly from European settlers BUT no one would now say that the Mexicans are not indigenous to Mexico. The Boers developed on African soil as an indigenous people to the region. The OTHER [ not real - all Africans are Africans ] Africans for the most part know about the Boers origins in Africa. You like to promote the false dialectic that other Africans do not recognize the Boers as fellow Africans. This might only be true for political party hacks that you own.
Pinard7 11 months ago
There were NO BOERS IN EUROPE EVER until they were formed on African soil. The Boers are from the Cape: were they emerged. The Boers did not emerge in Europe. Thus the Boers are a total product of Africa & even adopted the lingua franca which developed on African soil as well. Furthermore the first Europeans in the southern portion of Africa were the Portuguese not the ancestors of the Boers who were PULLED out of Europe & Asia & blended into distinct peoples on African soil.
Pinard7 11 months ago
Then you ADMIT & threaten that you are attempting to "drive them away soon" no doubt because they still stand in the way of your agenda to more fully rape Africa of its resources. Which one would have though you would be satisfied with the set up that you already have as you lot own the gold mines. Wrong. The Boers ARE NOT SETTLERS from Europe. This skewed perspective proves that you do not understand who the Boer people are as they DID NOT COME from Europe! The Boers are from the Cape.
Pinard7 11 months ago
The fact that so many Boers died is PROOF of a genocide. A genocide does not have to entail the total extermination of an entire people [ that is only the more EXTREME form of genocide ] as all a genocide entails is for the death / extermination of at least a portion of the people targeted. The Boers never engaged in the sort of genocide that you folks did. While they did kill a lot of folks in BATTLE they did not round up civilians into concentration camps.
Pinard7 11 months ago
Now you keep erroneously asserting that Boers were Colonists. So alright wise ass: what Colonial power were they acting on behalf of? How can a group of impoverished nomadic pastoralists be Colonists? The Boers had no real power oft heir own as they were often under the suzerainty of the British [ & certainly hemmed in by them ] & only had a limited form of self determination. Those facts PROVE that they had no power to be Colonists.
Pinard7 11 months ago
I know you did not want Kruger's terms but the fact is that he acquiesced on the matter of citizenship [ reducing it from 14 years to 5 years ] but it was not good enough for you as you WANTED the war. This fact was mentioned on a CBC documentary program about the Anglo-Boer War. But I suppose the CBC is in bed with the Boer Republicans according to your delusional paranoid world.
Pinard7 11 months ago
Nothing will change the fact that Britain committed a genocide against the Boers as they killed off civilians & children. The ground up glass hook & razors is not "dogma" but empirical evidence & a bag of the stuff is on display at the Anglo-Boer War museum in Bloemfontein. Not everyone fell for it as they began to wise up & a Boer guest on an American shortwave radio program noted that the Boers in the camps soon warned others about this & to specifically stay away from white powder.
Pinard7 11 months ago
Furthermore the Boers were not fighting over land per se: they were fighting for their freedom & for their republics. Even the Socialist blogger Wessels van Rensburg noted this on his Mhambi blog. Well your skewed definition of genocide certainly does give carte blanche to killers because you claim it is not a genocide s long as there still exists some people left of the targeted group.
Pinard7 11 months ago
Well you protest that there was not a genocide the same way the Nazi genocide deniers protest. Yet you hypocritically assert one genocide but deny another while applying the SAME criteria. Talk about two faced. That is a vile lie. The Boers were not fighting over someone eles' land! Alright wise ass: whose land were they fighting over? Can you even NAME the people whose land they were allegedly "fighting" over? you can not because there were none. The land in question was vacated uponsettlment.
Pinard7 11 months ago
You can not have it both ways! you claimed that a genocide only occurs when the WHOLE population is killed off! Ergo: you can not then turn around & claim a Jewish genocide & deny a Boer genocide as both groups were not entirely killed off. The Boers ARE integrated: otherwise if they were not you would not be propagandizing against them so much as it would be easier to remove a foreign community than it is to remove a long established indigenous one. The indigenous nature of the Boers vexes you.
Pinard7 11 months ago
The rational that you used to deny the Boer Holocaust / genocide was that not all of the Boers were killed / exterminated. Yet CURIOUSLY you do not apply the SAME logic to the Jewish Holocaust. Therefore you apply a DOUBLE standard because you assert that the Jews were "exterminated" when many left & survived. Either the Boers & Jews were exterminated in a genocide or those who survived constitute the event as a "non genocide" if you were to be consistent with your vile rhetoric.
Pinard7 11 months ago
Furthermore even your Jewish example is acrimoniously contested as there are Germans [ & others ] who contest that there ever was a systematic genocide against Jews JUST AS YOU DO with the Boers. [ interestingly the Curator of the Auschwitz Museum: Dr. Franciszek Piper stated that the gas chamber was built AFTER the war. ] Therefore you are not in good company & are a Boer Holocaust Denier. You then erroneouly state that the Jews were "exterminated" when in reality a lot of Jews escaped.
Pinard7 11 months ago
For the Boers to be Colonists: they would have had to be the OPPOSITE of what they were & would have had to somehow find Capital just to pull off the nature of running even the most rudimentary colony with even the pretense of a functioning government. BTW. The Boers HATED government & rarely lived near one. Professor Wallace Mills notes that Boer political notions verged on anarchy & American libertarian author noted that the Boers lived a pastoral anarchism lifestyle on the frontier.
Pinard7 11 months ago
How did a nomadic pastoralist people with no significant technology administer these alleged Boer Colonies? How did an anti authoritarian people [ Joseph Stromberg. Journal for Libertarian Studies 1999. ] impose authority over people they did not want to govern over? These valid questions could go on forever because the inherent contradictions between your erroneous assessment & the ACTUAL reality of the Boers is endless.
Pinard7 11 months ago
What was the mandate of this alleged act of colonization? What resources did the Boers extract? How did nomadic pastoralists extract resources? How did their near stone age reality transform them into "colonists"? By the time resources were discovered the Boers had exited for centuries. The only people who benifited from the resources were you Brits who mined them & still own them to this day. The Boers do not even fit ONE single criteria to be classified as a Colonist.
Pinard7 11 months ago
The Boers are not Colonists as they started out as nomadic pastoralists who were not under the protection of the State & lived off the land in the wild. It is IMPOSSIBLE for a band of nomadic impoverished pastoralists to ever able to be Colonists. What Colonial power where acting on behalf of? What Capital did these bartering nomads use to invest in their alleged colonies? What land did they specifically colonize? Where were they stationed? Who was the administrator of the Boer Colonies? Etc.
Pinard7 11 months ago
@Pinard7 You Boers are colonists from Europe - a mixture of Dutch, Swiss, French and some English according to your Eugine Terra Blanche or whatever his name was. Nomadic means you might not mind wondering some more when the Africans (the real ones) kick you out. You can sing your Delarey until the f*@king cows come home. It won't help you and your self obsessed little band of wanna be victims.
escole48 11 months ago
Well well well. So you admit that you are aiming at "driving the Boers out" by a "more clinical war". This is just as I have long suspected because you British modern imperialists are certainly behind fostering the whole Uhuru so as to make South Africa safe for Capitalist imperialism. The fact that your actions led to the death of 50% of the Boer child population is EVIDENCE of genocide. The Boers are not Colonists as they started out as nomadic pastoralists who were not under the protection.
Pinard7 11 months ago
I will have to respond to the rest of your appalling apologist prattle later.
Pinard7 11 months ago
Forget the politics.It says well of men that they fight for what they believe in.The boers put up a brave resistance against the british empire.They taught the british a few harsh lessons during the war.Because of this the british army learnt new tactics and training so that 12 years after the boer war we went into world war one with one of the best armies we have ever sent overseas.
daggers93 11 months ago
@daggers39 Where are you from? A land of green fields where little bunny rabbits hop about beneath a nice cute rainbow. Did all those poor sods go to war twelve years later with smiles on their faces, secure in the knowledge that their commanders had learnt the art of war from the Boers. The Boer was not doing us a favor mate. How many of the poor sods never came back. The grave yards are full of poor brave men who died for what someone else believed. 'It says well of men' - Christ Almighty!
escole48 11 months ago
The British did not just kill men in the battlefield but also larger numbers of the civilian population. An act that would today be called a war crime. Dressing it up as a "necessary" act of war does not negate from the brutality of the act nor the immoral nature of it. The denial of the genocide this caused does not lessen the reality of it & it constitutes a genocide under the Genocide Convention.
Pinard7 11 months ago
@Pinard7 " Amid the farm burning and hunting down of the civilain population there was one redeeming feature of the English soldiers, both officers and men were unfailingly humane.This was so well known that there was no hesitation in abandoning a wounded man to the mercy of the troops in the sure knowledge that he would be carefully nursed. A certainty which went to soften the asperities of war" -- Deneys Reitz . From his book Commando,a journal of the Boer war. He should know,he was there.
turkey08041954 11 months ago
@turkey08041954 I do not see the relevance in the curiously selected quote because while some British & Boer Generals [ such as none other than De la Rey ] were humane to the wounded on the other side it does not negate from the genocidal policies of the British Empire. One could just as easily pick out a quote putting a Nazi or Soviet soldier in a good light but it does not negate from the larger barbarity of their top command.
Pinard7 11 months ago
@Pinard7 You discard the quote because it does't square with your blinkered view of the world. The scorched earth policy of the British was barbaric but it was a successful attempt at cutting Boer supply lines which won the war. We won ugly but we won.
turkey08041954 11 months ago