I've noticed something sorta disturbing. Usually, I don't give a flying crap what somebody's religion is. If that's what ya want-fine. But I have noticed that with JW children(one's that grew up in that religion) don't have the social skills to deal with the real world when they grow up. I've heard/read that the have the lowest retention rate of kids who grew up in that religion, staying in that religion.
Eternity4never you phuqing dipshit your Jesus devil did not use the bible to preach out of , it wasnt written for a thousand pluss years - your in a cult - kill your lying ass now and go to your god - that will save us !
im a christian and i choose to accept other peoples beliefs, but i cannot accept what JW's do because all they do is shove their beliefs down other peoples throats and treat people like crap. they live in a life of misery, they are just waiting to die. i myself don't tell people what to believe in, i leave that choice to them. but i would say to people don't become a JW! they may seem nice people at first, but soon your life could be fucked.
I love the circular logic here...YOU HATE US....SO WE MUST BE RIGHT. IF you cant see the feedback loop then you dont deserve to be free. Go look up 607 v 587....the WTS is coming out with a new article on it but they are still crushed by Carl Olaf Jonsson's Book The Gentile Times Reconsidered...only took 25 years for them to respond...NO 607 No 1914 No 1919....
I was brought up to be believe what I wanted to, I'm an atheist and I feel sorry for the people have been scarred by what this cult can do to people. Despite the fact I have my mind made up about what will happen to me when I die (I'd like to be cremated) and it's my belief that when you die, that's it. I always have time for everybody religious or not; It's all about how good a person you are and in my opinion that is reflected by actions and good deeds not religious beliefs.
@TheHasselBoff There is no Higher intelligence than your own finite mind. Yes? You thus are your own God. Yes? If there is no God, How come The Prophet Isaiah prophesied the birth, life, & death of Christ seven hundred years before he was born? How come the Jews have returned to the Holy Land never to be uprooted again as prophesied by Amos.9:14,15. This prophesy was fulfilled in 1948, when Israel became a nation.You Atheist's face Damnation when you mock God, Jesus, & His Word.
Jesus taught his followers to go from house to house. He wants more people to become disciples. Jehovah's Witness are following Jesus our Lord. Read Acts 5:42, "...from house to house they continued ..declaring the good news about the Christ, Jesus." Acts14:21,"...making quite a few disciples,..." Acts 20:20-"...teaching you publicly and from house to house." Jesus commands his disciples to make more disciples. READ Matthew 28:19,20-"Go therefore and make disciples of people..."
I feel very badly for any who have been abused by the hypocrites. Satan doesn't change his designs or his strategies. His last blow to Job were the three troublesome comforters. (Spiritual brothers of his who worshiped the true God.)
May we all be set free from them soon.
In the meantime, try not to judge the water by the weeds.
May Jehovah show you the beacon of light. Regards.
@Rwssel I am a JW. There are good and bad JW. The same with every large group. I serve God, Jehovah. If I do not get along with an elder I leave the congregation and find another. I love Jehovah first, my love is with Jehovah.
JW did not make your husband a secret abuser. JW did not make you too afraid to speak out before.
He was a bully, you were scared. JW not responsible for either of those things, they constantly preach honourable standards, which hubby ignored and courage which you ignored. Now you transfer blame. That makes you dishonest too.
@Hazel3336 You feel comfortable calling all slaves of Jesus Christ wrong? Are you at all serious about God? Where is your faith? Jesus used the bible as his authority. He always said,"It is written". By the same merit we preach from the bible, and you call us names? We are serious modern day disciples of our Lord, Jesus Christ. WE study his ways closely and follow his every command. This is no joke. This is real.Daniel 12:4 says true knowledge would become abundant-IT IS NOW! We're here to stay!
@Hazel3336: I tell you as a Muslim, learn of Islam and you will see how the truth unravels in front of you. I was studying with JWs for two years and I couldn't get into it. The ideologies were wrong and I felt it deep down inside. Now I have been a muslim for almost a year. Prophets from the bible are spoken of in the Qur'an, and Jesus even moreso. And no, I am not Arab, I was born and raised in the US and I'm Hispanic. I'm just trying to show that I'm not bias towrad Islam. It is the truth.
You are blaming JW's for your families dysfunctionality. Most people who do blame JW's have some kind of bad experience. It is not the religion but people themselves who are imperfect! Excuses , excuses ...we are always pointing the finger elsewhere.
@Hazel3336 the man,is the head of the household,yet not the ruler. The woman is his partner,yet not his slave. There will always be wolves in sheeps clothing,but if you were a witness for 30 years you will know this. What i dont understand,is are you so brave as to go agianst god? can you not see the last days,the wicked upon this earth,and the fear and loathing in man? You are not alone,for Jehovah is always by yourside. (i am no longer a witness,but i understand and know god)
thank you, i want to leave. I run into them everywhere and i got to be strong. they came by because of my doubts but always change my mind. Im supposed to attend tomorrow. and then next sun 1 day assembly. aaahhhh.
JESUS IS DEAD. GOD DOESN'T ACTUALLY TALK TO PEOPLE. NO ONE KNOWS FOR SURE AND HAS LEGIT PROOF OF THE REAL RELIGION. I hate non JW Christians&Catholics, they're awful douche bags. All the JWs I know are nice, you may not agree with their views but oh well GET THE FUCK OVER IT. If they go around hating then they aren't obeying the rules, that's what normal christians do. Idk what happened to Freedom of Religion but if a religion makes someone feel whole then SHUT THE FUCK UP. Seriously.
@lyricsXrocktheworld - I'm with you on religion in general being unprovable. I'm not with you on non JW's being "douche bags". I've found a whole lot of nice non-JW's.
You are preaching tolerance for the views of JW's, fine. But the problem is that they go around preaching that all who don't agree with them will die violently at Armageddon, and also they shun former friends and family members who want the freedom to believe differently. Their hurtful attitudes are why we ex-JW's speak out.
@cooper79jeffr I threw in the non-JW thing to make a point. People make hasty generalizations but depending on who it is about, people do or don't challenge it.& They shun former friends just like how anyone else would shun a friend who became a druggie or something. They don't want to get caught up in it and they see it as a possible bad influence that could disrupt their faith. What about people who say non believers will burn in hell for eternity? Much much worse.
@lyricsXrock - What about people who believe in hell? It depends on whether it's just an academic belief or if they go out of their way to give "hell" to nonbelievers in this life.
People can make personal decisions about who they want to hang with. But when shunning is institutionalized - like JW elders telling everyone they've decided who can't be your friend, that's controlling. The Bible says mature ones can distinguish right/wrong - it doesn't say they need elders to decide for them.
@cooper79jeffr Well the elders at the Kingdom Hall I went to never did that&they knew my friends and knew they weren't the best kids. And so what if they believe in hell? JWs believe that if you're not dead by the time Armageddon comes and you have denied Jehovah then you're gonna die some how in all the chaos. They also never said JWs won't die during it, those who accept Jehovah just will come back. But somehow that's worse than an eternity in hell. They're both Christians, they suck equally.
@lyricsXrocktheworld - When I mentioned elders making decisions about who can't be your friends - I really meant their power to judge and disfellowship baptized members. They don't have that power over non-baptized people.
I would agree it's sickening and lame when religions feel they need to use fear of something like Armageddon or hellfire to keep people on their "straight and narrow".
I wonder what your gonna think when the great tribulation comes and then Armageddon comes and then you and your little apostate disciples become bird food! But there is still time and jehova still can forgive so choose quickly.Love Alex..
@Realestkilla1 They don't have to think anything because they know that like all false predictions and prophecies that the Watchtower has made in the past there interpetaions of the way the tribulation happens is false as well. And apostates of watchtower are not apsostates. They are called enlightened because they finally started listening to the Lord instead of a man made organization. Hopefully someday you will be one of those too.
@Realestkilla1 How do you know that your saved from Jehovahs wrath? Is your name in the book of life? I am interested because, the way you coduct youself here with your posting is very unchristian like. There is no words of encouragement in your statement, just words of fear. The threat of God's wrath is not a soul winning technique.
@Realestkilla1 The tribulation isn't coming because there's no god and there's no devil.
I promise you, if you live long enough to dire of old age, you'll realize this on your deathbed, just like billions who've died before you.
You'll say to yourself, "I was wrong. No god intervened in my lifetime. I have wasted it. I could have had a fulfilling life without all this superstition, but I was hoodwinked and brainwashed."
Don't let it happen. Wake up. You ARE in a cult, and religion is fake.
@mebkick01 - I think that a lof of JW's of my parents' generation, now in their 70's and having served the organization for several decades. They were promised the end would come soon way back in the 1960's and early 1970's, and that if they kept going door-to-door with the WT Society message that they'd see the end of this world's system and their own salvation. Now it's 2010 and they're finally facing their mortality. Some must realize "something is wrong with this picture".
@cooper79jeffr Yeah I was raised JW but never baptized, thankfully. I really feel for all those who have or are wasting their lives, including my family right now. It's a lonely and mentally vapid way to go through life. I'm going to teach my daughter the most important lesson she'll ever learn: Question EVERYthing. Your teacher, the used car salesman, politicians and religious leaders who claim to have a direct pipeline to god ESPECIALLY when they tell you not to question them. QUESTION!
@mebkick01 - Great post. JW's won't like it, but what the heck. They are taught any independent thinking is dangerous. In reality, dependent thinking is more dangerous.
You'll make a good parent for teaching your daughter some critical thinking. Being raised JW, I was taught to kow-tow to everyone, be yielding - whether they had authority or not. Sheesh, it took me years to quit being a doormat and discern the real intentions of people - sometimes good, sometimes very selfish.
@mebkick01 one million points! i taught my daughter those things, and guess what..she turned out a BRILLIANT balanced independent successful young woman with massive opportunities in her life..and every time someone mentions the bibel or God, she smiles and blinks an eye at me..and it brings tears of joy to my eyes and an ENOURMOUS feeling of PEACE in my heart.. i may not be perfect but i know i've done something right..
@cooper79jeffr Right! And they didnt plan for their retirement,because 'paradise; was going to come.So now,who takes care of them? Their disfellowshipped children who went to college and got degrees and good jobs..Is that ironic,or what?
@Rwssel Wow they sound real loving. Turn to Jesus Christ, He will by no means ever turn you away. Even if you turn away from Him, still will he be your Lord and friend.
After being married to a JW for 15 years and experiencing their cult first hand I must say this song doesnt even come close to the pain I experienced at their hand. They are a ruthless people with a forked tongue preaching love, then hatred toward their own families. This is a truly evil organisation! I know. I lived it for 15 years and regret every year. Please, if you are in it, RUN AWAY! THEY ARE NOT OF GOD!!!
@YTwatchdawg I finally found God without religion, Churches of all denominations are contaminated. God does not dwell in handmade temples. I hold His hand in my faith walk everyday, no religion, no traditions of men, no lies, no conforming, no judgement. Love all people, forgive freely. I know your pain, The truth does set you free, how that was misquoted, enslaved to religion is not of God.
@lavellove1 guess what? "jehovah" isn't the name of God. "Jehovah" is an english language corruption of the Hebrew YHWH, pronounced "yahweh." So in reality, you guys aren't really using the name of God either. As a side note, Jews don't like to pronounce "yahweh" because they think it too holy to pronounce. And for years, Christians have been reluctant to do so for pretty much the same reason, and it carries into our Bible translations. Hope this helped clear things up for you.
@lavellove1 (2 John 10,11) is actually a warning for all Christians to not let JWs and Mormons into our homes. They are the ones preaching another Jesus. Christians Know who Jesus is, and He never was a created angel. He said He's God, and we believe Him. (Rev.1:8) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which IS, and which WAS, and which is to come, THE ALMIGHTY.
The fact that some people (Satanists) actually worship Satan (the Christian God of Evil) does not change the fact that Satan is the Christian God of Evil.
@lavellove1 - You are parroting the Watchtower Society's demonization of anyone who dares leave the organization and speak out about it. Mere disagreement with you should not provoke such a vicious reaction, calling them sons of Satan and poisoned.
However since you are involved in a high control group, this slanderous wording seems natural to you.
I use reason to speak against what I view as the Watchtower's deceit and control. Such criticism of an organization is not blasphemy.
@sanchezzar - Thanks for illustrating exactly how judgmental Jehovah's Witnesses are. Also, thanks for showing that you feel that former members of your religion really should just shut up about it.
In the Scriptures, certain numbers have symbolic significance. The number seven, for example, is often used to symbolize that which is complete, or perfect, in God's eyes. Seven signifies divinely determined completeness. Revelation 1:4, 12, 16; 4:5; 5:1, 6; 10:3, 4.
Currently there are over 7 million people soon to be in number 7,777,777 (7x7) who are a witness about God's name J-E-H-O-V-A-H 7 letters.
The number seven in the Bible is clearly not paganism or numerology.
I had these JW's forever knocking on my door, and they would not stop trying to convert the whole neighbourhood. Two women Jw's at my door, I invited them in, I started stipping my clothes off and said. "If I got to listen to you you can pay me so get them off." Well I never saw JW's run so fast, they never knocked on my door again.
Yet I feel for the JW's. They are trying really hard at what they do. Going out to speak a message you know is unpopular is really hard. (I know, I used to be JW.)
They are constantly told they must do this, they have hours goals set for them, and inside the congregation the more hours and results you get (or say you get), the better your status.
As bothersome as this is, be glad we live in a free society where you can express even unpopular ideas.
@cooper79jeffr wow! It's pretty interesting how you view it! That is so fleshly and where the hell did you get that "status" thing from? You must of been around some ghetto area or something! Dang!!! I've been in 3 different states and have never come across those things you speak of! Before you try to bite, let me just say I am DF, and my mind is not near as twisted as yours! lol!!!!
@sweetnseksi - Hi there. I'm quite the cynical one, aren't I? I have seen people in the JW congregations choose their associates based on "spiritual" criteria like how often they answer at meetings or how much they go in service. Those who are more quiet and reserved don't get the privileges and don't get as many invitations to "get togethers" or whatever they call them.
I grew up in the suburbs but spen my adult life in inner-city congregations.
@cooper79jeffr Hello to you too. So what you're saying is that those congregations developed cliques? Were you raised in it? If so, then I can definitely relate to YOUR "view". I have never come across feeling like that, because those things were never important to me. Again, it is with a view to the fleshly things that does stumble one. It can be very discouraging, but let me ask you this: "Is God to blame for how the "congregation" treated you? (In YOUR eyes, that is?)
@sweetnseksi - Yes there were cliques. But I'm really talking about the organization as a whole. After all we were reminded in the literature to watch out, that even some within the organization might be dangerous. In light of that, every friendship one has in that environment is conditional. It could change if the person is "slipping" or not active enough in organizational activities.
I don't think God has anything to do with the JW's, so I view these things as how people treated people.
@cooper79jeffr I get your disappointment and I can see how that would make you feel like that. I'm sorry you went through that, but it was different for me. I always looked at things from a bigger perspective because I am more focused on my personal relationship with Jehovah above all human relationships! (It's just me! I was raised to be as humble as possible) So I don't falter from popularity, friendships coming and going...I couldn't care less! I'm focused on my one on one with Jah...bless!
@sweetnseksi - I'm not speaking of just my own experience, but of the judgmentalism I saw IN GENERAL in the organization. I was in 5 different congregations and 3 different circuits, so I know this is not a narrow phenomenon (such as just finding one "cold" congregation).
The WTS organization puts emphasis on your relationship TO IT rather than to Jesus or to God. Obedience to organizational procedures and submission to its appointed men is emphasized over a personal relationship with God.
@sweetnseksi - Post #2 - I'm glad you have found your peace outside the organization even though you're DF'd. I've found that former JW's go into 3 groups - (1) bitterly opposed, (2) still believing in it and not feeling "good enough" to rejoin, and (3) don't believe it any more & moved on to another belief/non-belief system.
I'm in group #3. I'm opposed to the JW's but not bitter. I see some serious areas of dishonest teaching and harmful practice, so I point those out as a public service.
@cooper79jeffr yes pointing it out is a good thing. Everyone needs to know, but also, keep in mind that we as humans view everything differently. I've come across many JWs that I personally don't get along with, but it doesn't bother me. I know we're all human and we all make mistakes...power corrupts! I have faith in the Bible because it's principles have changed my entire life for the better! I know Jehovah is real and if I have to separate them from it, then so be it...but my faith is true!
@sweetnseksi - I've never been to Hawaii. I know that the attitudes in California and Florida Kingdom Halls are different, because the lifestyle is more recreation-oriented. I imagine Hawaii is more family-oriented and close-knit.
I don't dislike most of the JW people. Like any group, they have caring people and selfish ones. My beef is with the organization itself. It claims to be superior and it demands loyalty / obedience (as you say - power). In our own ways, we're both free from that.
@cooper79jeffr I'm not having a problem with the organization, because 1) I'm not one who cares for status 2) I've never been pressured or felt pressured to preach. I was never told how many hours to make according to anything! It was done according to each individual person's ability to put in time. (Willingly!!!) 3) I'm not so into social gatherings. I was not exposed to that, but I have to admit, I've seen alot of unbelievable badness in Cali congregations! lol....
@cooper79jeffr so tell me, what do you do now that you've apostasized? (No offense intended)...just my way of expression. I'm really curious. I also would like to ask you one thing? Can you, honestly say that the Bible is not the INSPIRED word of GOD? That in applying its principles, it does not better one's life on every level? (I'm waiting for your answer) I'm really enjoying our discussion! ;)
@sweetnseksi - What do I do now ? It's too much to fit into 500 characters. I might send you a separate PM. I can say I'm really enjoying life: reading, research, cultural events, travel, my sister & her family, my girlfriend and her relatives, and my job - I have worked hard to get into a position I truly enjoy where I feel like I make a difference.
Regarding the Bible, please don't be offended but I think every "holy" book was written by priesthoods to support their authority.
@cooper79jeffr I'm not offended by that at all, You evaded my question. Of course we know that men wrote the 66 books of the Bible. I am curious as to why you have no religion? Most people leave one for another, but from my own experience, JWs are known for never going to another religion unless they were already demented. As for apostasizing, even they would rather worship alone.
I don't need to wonder why, but I do know that most find their lives unsatisfactory. Food for thought my friend =)
@sweetnseksi yeah the new Testament's Books were carefully selected by the Roman Catholic Church, They left plenty of other books out, So to me JW are just another branch of the Roman Catholic church with a different views in faith. Catholics "Oh Yeah, ah The Father,The Son and the Holy Spirit are one" , JW "We desagree , All 3 are different with Jehovah being God" , Pagan "We think Odin is God" ,Bhuddist "You shall all bout to Bhudda", Jew "Gentiles ,you will all perish" ,Muslim "Die infidels"
@cooper79jeffr You can pm me anytime, I really enjoy talking to you, even though I know we're not supposed to. I am open to your perspective more so because we shared the same faith. I honestly don't respect many worldly views, and I would rather it comes from someone like you than anyone else!
@cooper79jeffr so true Jeff. You are very reasonable. I was raised in Hawaii and it's very different there. You have to also recognize that there is no such thing or place that is completely free from corruption. As for the field service time, that never really bothered me much, but I get how anything could get out of control. I've also noticed that in Cali, the members are not as warm as in Hawaii. It does not affect me personally, because I have an extra large family...
That is very rude and disturbing. the only thing they try to do is help you. If you dont want the help then fine, but why make their job more difficult?
@rinabeezy If I need help to be brainwashed I will watch the media.. Because maybe we want to help you get a better life without control of a religion.
@rinabeezy I'm crazy but I am not stupid, I do understand religion, religion cares about nothing but itself, man is just a blade of grass religion eats and shits out to survive, the only reason religion want to help me is to convert me, and enslave me and my children to them as God. Saying no thanks my religion forbids me becoming religious, don't work, making religions job more difficult can only becalled God's work.
Time present and time past Are both perhaps present in time future, And time future contained in time past. If all time is eternally present All time is unredeemable. What might have been is an abstraction Remaining a perpetual possibility Only in a world of speculation. What might have been and what has been Point to one end, which is always present. Footfalls echo in the memory Down the passage which we did not take Towards the door we never opened Into the rose-garden.
you see Jesus said what ever you ask in my Name accordinging to his will will be given when a son ask for bread did he give him a stone even more so holy spirit
you see all religions claim they have the last word of God Islam sunni shia mormons hindus and the thousands of christian denominations so who is God answering???????all claiming God is answer them
look whatever the bible says even if it said kill your brother if he does this.. we follow and it says abstain from blood so we dont even taste it to see if its good ; ) but if u didnt know its ok its only once you know right and wrong. solid food belongs to mature ones to determine right and wrong. i dont look down on someone who did something and didnt know I will only keep my distance if they start to risk their life then i know mine is also in jeapordy
@Nickatimes i mean their founding fathers were masons further more jw were associated to the UN via ngo until the late 90s,what about false prophecy and mind control.Shock to change into one root race,mass man is a lucif plan nwo do your homework.G-d doesnt need marketing..
@Nickatimes - Not true. There was segregation of black JW's from white JW's during the time of C.T. Russell and Rutherford, up through the 1950's. Was Russell loving to make blacks sit together in the back during his presentations of the Photodrama of Creation in the 1910's? They did not stand up for equal rights. The 1929 Golden Age printed the idea that the blacks were a cursed race. If God was really with the WTS, they wouldn't have done that.
@Nickatimes - It did happen. Just go to Google and enter "segregation photo drama of creation" and select the first result. It's fully documented there. No LOL - your organization was steeped in segregation. What's so damn funny?
i replace harmful emotions by smiling and love so i tend to giggle when something hurts me ; ) why get mad and hurt yourself i do alot of youtube surfing hehe
blood transfusion....a doctor snuck and gave my cousin a blood transfusion and he died, he told them he didnt want to sin against God. let me explain why
Blood is also sacred in God's eyes. God says that the soul, or life, is in the blood. So it is wrong to eat blood. It is also wrong to eat the meat of an animal that has not been properly bled. If an animal is strangled or dies in a trap, it should not be eaten. If it is speared or shot, it must be bled quickly if it is to be eaten.—Genesis 9:3, 4; Leviticus 17:13, 14; Acts 15:28, 29.
Is it wrong to accept a blood transfusion? Remember, Jehovah requires that we abstain from blood. This means that we must not take into our bodies in any way at all other people's blood or even our own blood that has been stored. (Acts 21:25) So true Christians will not accept a blood transfusion. They will accept other kinds of medical treatment, such as transfusion of nonblood products. They want to live, but they will not try to save their life by breaking God's laws.—Matthew 16:25.
@Nickatimes - Jehovah doesn't require abstinence from blood transfusion. Your Watchtower organization does, and you follow it to the letter. They allow members to accept BLOOD FRACTIONS. How the heck is that a "nonblood product"? Answer that.
Also why is the "symbol of life" more sacred than life itself? That's ass-backwards both logically and Biblically.
theses bodies are not ours ; ) we are host they belong to God so we take care of them we put in what only he allows. if he says abstain from it then we do thats the most simple way to put it ; )
@cooper79jeffr Just what you are saying here i will like for you to write a letter to the apostle Paul telling him that - This command about blood is in Paul's letter - Read Acts 15:28, 29 and do not forget to let Paul know exactly how you feel about the issue of blood
@00sheilagreasley100 - Regarding Acts 15:28, 29 - are you seriously asking me to write a letter to a long-dead apostle? LOL, that's crazy. I don't have any issues with the apostle Paul anyhow. My issue is with the strained and arbitrary interpretation enforced by the men of Brooklyn who run the WT Society. They should stay out of the business of medical decisions. Besides, they have watered down their "no blood" doctrine so that now they aren't standing on any principals whatsoever.
Blood is not just blood anymore . It can be broken down into many different parts . The WTS now allows many of these . So many people died years ago , and now the society changes thier dogma and those people who died did for no reason . Same thing happened with vaccinations , years ago they were not allowed , now they are . If my memory is correct this also happened with some organ transplants . Alot of poeple died with the excuse of "new light" .
just like in my elevator trade everyone is mad because they saw a problem and everyone is like will why didnt they see or say this before? its because they put a microscope on the situation and see it differently now we are all learning even Gods people their not perfect and dont try to be in this world
The main problem of JW leaders is they NEVER admit that they might be currently wrong. They switch doctrine and spin it as "new light". It's not consistent to say you have God's authority and must be believed/obeyed (or they'll expel you and tell your friends/relatives to shun you), but then hide behind the "only human" shield when wrong.
I agree that you still have to have reasoning within yourself. It's okay to have thoughts that are different than imperfect human leaders.
I understand your anology , but I think it is very different , apples and oranges . Men work on elevators . They dont claim they are gods voice , gods ONLY voice , directly inspired of him . They trouble shoot. If that is the case , arn't you worried they may be telling you somthing now that is totally wrong ? What if they are and you realisze this and do what you think is right ? You would be dis-fellowshiped .
I would like to add though . I often read through JW threads . ALOT of JW who post are nasty vulgar defensive Aholes , exactly what they preach against , but now its ok because thier hidden behind an IP address .Its nice to see your attitude . BTW I read these time to time because I was raised JW for 15 yrs . Whole 9 , conventions , door to door , ministry school .
right, but even electricity we now know goes from - to + not from + to - (negative to postive) we thought it started from the postive but we were wrong. But it worked either way!! yeah smoking use to be ok but once we found out i was bad they said it was bad. alot of Jw left cuz they wanted to smoke, im sure their is even more stuff that we do now that is bad sooner or later as technologie advances. We talked about no to blood tonight thousands of pple die because Heptitis during transfer 4recor
I'm sorry , the electricity thing your telling me isn't making much sense to me , you sure you got that right?. Like I said , alot of people quit smoking when they found out it was bad , alot din't . The numbers they project about people dieing from blodd TF are totally out of context . When a person is to the point of needing a TF they are in pretty rough shape , a good majority will probably die . Give me a like if you can so I can research the statistics .
yeah well my family member died they snuck and put blood in him thinking it was to help him, just 1 case i agree with what you said. yes their is a new light!! JW use to smoke untill they realized it was bad just like the other options for blood that your saying we didnt know of this its a new light we Gods people are not perfect and do not know everything you still have to have reasoning within youself
@Nickatimes we are one flesh,all Gods crew.That is what Christianity teaches,not only the jw organization.Witnesses will be the ones who oppose the zionwo,the ones who stand up for Jesus.Organizations such as jw that have abundance in man power and funds should do more in crisis situations, rather than expanding their corporate apparatus in the Amazon for example.JW in a way are idol worshippers the idol is the book....Lmao
@georgeosgr that's the whole point of this "apostate" video and he proudly admits it! Funny how most apostate videos have disabled comments for their crap! They can't handle the truth because they can't look at themselves! Cowards!!!! Blame everyone but yourselves, just like the demons you all are! hahahahahaha! Ewwwww!!!!
@georgeosgr You're obviously just here to troll and start an argument. If that's all you want to do, then go right ahead. Do you not have a brother? Do you ever call anyone a brother? If so, then you really should quit the name calling! I'm not marketing God, just setting it straight, but you obviously like crookedness!
@2luscious4this brother how bought it when you get all your answers before giving out watchtower talking about prothink and ideological subversion anyway have a nice day evil goes far beyond one man one organization or one nation it cuts through the hearts of all men.
@georgeosgr is a dear sister who is out to make sure the world gets their due worship! How admirable you satanic slave! As for me, I am disfellowshipped, but never would I turn twisted like your lack of reasoning! I on the other hand don't believe in worshiping myself and my hurt ego, sister!
@2luscious4this Get over it i was never a j witness a brother or sister of yours the pathetic saved ones talking about power tripping phycopaths talking to G-d how dare you .....modern servitude is voluntary, think for yourself.
@georgeosgr thinks for himself all the time! Something tells him to keep replying to me? Hmmm...can you tell yourself to stop replying to me? Since we obviously are not talking about the same thing here? What's with the name calling? Did something set you off? Pardon me, sir? Hope you feel better =)
Over the years we have all been lied to by many false Religous Leaders and so called prophets. Many things we have been taught are not even in Scripture and millions have swallowed so many lies by these false leaders. If you are a truth seeker please visit the web site which is displayed in our user name and take the time to read some of the articles... You will be very shocked.
There is a great audio there for you to listen to. You will come away asking many questions.
Remember leaders of different Christian sects, the will of God is undivided Christianity. Give up your churches, no more Catholic, Protestants, Adventist, JW etc. If you think that I am wrong then prove that you are right. Ive asked the Lord for the two simultaneous explosion of volcano in the U.S. within this month of December, pray that it wouldnt happen, if despite of your prayer it does happen, then know that God is with me therefore you have to listen to me.
Lookit! It's the "Whore of Babylon" riding on a train!!
Good bit of sarcasm... Would be funny if you could insert the Governing Body into this video somehow... Maybe urging the female to "convert" the guy....??
to cooper's comment.. The Watchtower quotes you are taking from are anywhere from 20-40 years old. The JW organization has really amanded their teachings. Try quoting a recent Watchtower
I am aware that the Watchtower constantly shits some of its teachings back and forth. However, in this case the burden of proof would be on YOU to prove the Watchtower corrected or changed what it taught only 16 years ago, in 1993.
They still teach contempt and distrust of ex-members, that I know. In fact they likely do so now more than ever.
i think JW's r changing their views again,because i left JW about twelve years ago,and just yesterday i told my mother how felt about JW(as if it wasn't obvious how i felt).i know to her i am now an apostate lol.but she isn't gonna tell anyone n her congregation about this talk.i even told her 2,and she still said no.i think its funny,but shes bn one for almost 60 years,and i think i might have gotten thru 2 her.just show them how it drives families apart thats how u do it.its almost impossible
From all I've read, JW's still treat former members harshly, even family members.
In your case it's different if you haven't been announced as "No longer JW" which tells JWs to avoid you. Maybe your mom wants to keep your apostasy secret. JW parents feel special shame if they "lose their childrent to Satan's world".
My parents blame me for the rift between us because I won't come back on their terms: that I go back to JWs. Parents should LOVE their children without such conditions.
@cooper79jeffr It is not that your Parents do not love you but they hate what you believe in - I have a son who is not a Jehovah's Witness and as a matter of fact I think that he hates them because his girlfriend is a Roman Catholic and that does not mean that I hate him because i love him - he is my son and I love him but i hate his beliefs
If that recent visitor was an actual JW, then they were lying to you. Every JW is aware that disfellowshipping and shunning occurs.
If they were disputing whether a person is "treated badly", then they are sugar-coating the actual commands given them by the Watchtower Society, probably trying to make it seem that they aren't as bad or cultic as you think.
I know this from personal experience. If a member is announced from the platform as no longer a JW they are treated as dead.
ORIBEAR SAID APOSTATES SHOULD BE MURDERED. MANY PEOPLE WHO BECOME WITNESSES ARE DISTURBED GOING IN. UNFORTUNATELY ITS A mental issue. if people could wake up to illuminati manipulation humanity could EVOLVE AND UNDERSTAND REGULAR PEOPLE DONT CREATE CULTS aka the edomite jew founder ct russell and his pyramid gravestone. unfortunately the ignorant cult member cannot grasp the significance of that they will say "hmm its ok we have new presidents now" its a mental issue education best solution.
The Watchtower publishes hateful rhetoric about people, real humans with feelings and thoughts, who used to be their "property" but are now loose in the world. They tell their followers that former JW's are evil or defective.
This rhetoric is intended to insulate their members from any reality-check that former members might bring on families and friends still captive to the WTS.
It also stirs up base emotions in some of their fringe members. But the blame rests on the WTS.
jehovah witnesses are to blame to. do they tell their cult prospects they are not allowed to have freinfds who are not in their cult as they love bomb them? do they tell prospects who they are stalking/calling on that you have to follow the cults medical precepts and that might lead to death, divorce etc...nope when do they drop the bomb few months in as they dig into a persons life they are TO BLAME TO. every time they say they are truth they decive. do they tell people about false prophecies
To find out any drawbacks about any religion (including JW's), you have to do research. Most religions will not give you both "pros" and "cons" about joining them.
The leadership of JW"s sets the tone by behaving like they are God's representatives, not to be questioned. Further, they put the magnifying glass on other religions, examining them for cracks.
JW's are convinced we all will die, and are afraid that any reasoning we give them will lead to their doom.
Regarding former JW's, "We must hate in the truest sense, which is to regard with extreme - active aversion, to consider as loathsome, odious, filthy, to detest." WT 10/1/1952 p. 599
"In order to hate what is bad a Christian must hate the person." WT 7/15/1961 p. 420
Such people are to be hated "in the sense of avoiding them as we would avoid a poisonous snake". WT 6/15/1980 page 8
So much for the idea that the Watchtower does not preach hatred.
"Godly hate is a powerful protection against wrongdoing....A Christian must hate (in the Bibilical sense of the word) those who have inseparably attached themselves to badness". Watchtower, October 1, 1993 page 19
To a loyal JW, the above quote contains coded language which means they are to hate ex-members, to protect themselves from any scary opposing ideas.
Jehovahs Wit doesn't preach hate, they preach the Kingdom of God....and defend their believes in the Bible and Help others to find hope with the word of God, they never impose anything for anyone.I am Jehovah's Wit...I never did such things that people says here without prove
According to Watchtower Society teaching, the first thing the Kingdom of God will do is rid the earth of 99.9% of humanity because they don't adhere to the "Bible based" views of the Society.
This is one reason why people feel the religion of the Watchtower is one of doom and gloom. Another reason is the Watchtower Society's relentless campaign against its former members.
You may be a positive person, but the Society's outlook on humankind seems quite gloomy.
I've noticed something sorta disturbing. Usually, I don't give a flying crap what somebody's religion is. If that's what ya want-fine. But I have noticed that with JW children(one's that grew up in that religion) don't have the social skills to deal with the real world when they grow up. I've heard/read that the have the lowest retention rate of kids who grew up in that religion, staying in that religion.
gotch09 3 weeks ago
Beautiful song
Scoobalawn 3 months ago
Eternity4never you phuqing dipshit your Jesus devil did not use the bible to preach out of , it wasnt written for a thousand pluss years - your in a cult - kill your lying ass now and go to your god - that will save us !
smartazuis 3 months ago
im a christian and i choose to accept other peoples beliefs, but i cannot accept what JW's do because all they do is shove their beliefs down other peoples throats and treat people like crap. they live in a life of misery, they are just waiting to die. i myself don't tell people what to believe in, i leave that choice to them. but i would say to people don't become a JW! they may seem nice people at first, but soon your life could be fucked.
olliepfc94 4 months ago
wow...he's CUTE! :)
oofahman 4 months ago
I love the circular logic here...YOU HATE US....SO WE MUST BE RIGHT. IF you cant see the feedback loop then you dont deserve to be free. Go look up 607 v 587....the WTS is coming out with a new article on it but they are still crushed by Carl Olaf Jonsson's Book The Gentile Times Reconsidered...only took 25 years for them to respond...NO 607 No 1914 No 1919....
2017Downtown 6 months ago
I was brought up to be believe what I wanted to, I'm an atheist and I feel sorry for the people have been scarred by what this cult can do to people. Despite the fact I have my mind made up about what will happen to me when I die (I'd like to be cremated) and it's my belief that when you die, that's it. I always have time for everybody religious or not; It's all about how good a person you are and in my opinion that is reflected by actions and good deeds not religious beliefs.
TheHasselBoff 6 months ago
@TheHasselBoff There is no Higher intelligence than your own finite mind. Yes? You thus are your own God. Yes? If there is no God, How come The Prophet Isaiah prophesied the birth, life, & death of Christ seven hundred years before he was born? How come the Jews have returned to the Holy Land never to be uprooted again as prophesied by Amos.9:14,15. This prophesy was fulfilled in 1948, when Israel became a nation.You Atheist's face Damnation when you mock God, Jesus, & His Word.
georgehuddo 3 weeks ago
What a horrible childhood raised in this cult. We are all damaged goods.
MrGoatwriter 7 months ago
Jesus taught his followers to go from house to house. He wants more people to become disciples. Jehovah's Witness are following Jesus our Lord. Read Acts 5:42, "...from house to house they continued ..declaring the good news about the Christ, Jesus." Acts14:21,"...making quite a few disciples,..." Acts 20:20-"...teaching you publicly and from house to house." Jesus commands his disciples to make more disciples. READ Matthew 28:19,20-"Go therefore and make disciples of people..."
eternityandforever 9 months ago
I feel very badly for any who have been abused by the hypocrites. Satan doesn't change his designs or his strategies. His last blow to Job were the three troublesome comforters. (Spiritual brothers of his who worshiped the true God.)
May we all be set free from them soon.
In the meantime, try not to judge the water by the weeds.
May Jehovah show you the beacon of light. Regards.
megthepearl 9 months ago
I was sucked in by the Witnesses for over 30 years. My husband was an elder in the church and he abused me and our children.
I know other women treated the same in JW's, because women are required to be in subjection to men.
I have an ex Witness friend, a lovely woman who has been disowned by her two daughters because she left the Witnesses.
The Watchtower Society makes people do cruel things. I am so glad I eventually found the courage to get out.
It is a controlling religion based on fear.
Hazel3336 10 months ago 25
@Hazel3336
Well done my friend, however just leaving is not enough. We HAVE TO inform others to see where they are trapped into. A DANGEROUS CULT
Rwssel 10 months ago
@Rwssel I am a JW. There are good and bad JW. The same with every large group. I serve God, Jehovah. If I do not get along with an elder I leave the congregation and find another. I love Jehovah first, my love is with Jehovah.
warriorprince1010 2 months ago
@warriorprince1010 My dear friend my short answer: 1. Jehovah is a technicality, not a name 2. Wathctower is a false prophet organization.
Over and out
Rwssel 2 months ago
@Rwssel
Good Answer! about this!
Good Job!
lilyturner201 1 month ago
@Hazel3336
JW did not make your husband a secret abuser. JW did not make you too afraid to speak out before.
He was a bully, you were scared. JW not responsible for either of those things, they constantly preach honourable standards, which hubby ignored and courage which you ignored. Now you transfer blame. That makes you dishonest too.
Fizzypop1211 8 months ago 3
@Hazel3336 You feel comfortable calling all slaves of Jesus Christ wrong? Are you at all serious about God? Where is your faith? Jesus used the bible as his authority. He always said,"It is written". By the same merit we preach from the bible, and you call us names? We are serious modern day disciples of our Lord, Jesus Christ. WE study his ways closely and follow his every command. This is no joke. This is real.Daniel 12:4 says true knowledge would become abundant-IT IS NOW! We're here to stay!
eternityandforever 7 months ago
@Hazel3336: I tell you as a Muslim, learn of Islam and you will see how the truth unravels in front of you. I was studying with JWs for two years and I couldn't get into it. The ideologies were wrong and I felt it deep down inside. Now I have been a muslim for almost a year. Prophets from the bible are spoken of in the Qur'an, and Jesus even moreso. And no, I am not Arab, I was born and raised in the US and I'm Hispanic. I'm just trying to show that I'm not bias towrad Islam. It is the truth.
IsaHamzaBilal 7 months ago
@Hazel3336
You are blaming JW's for your families dysfunctionality. Most people who do blame JW's have some kind of bad experience. It is not the religion but people themselves who are imperfect! Excuses , excuses ...we are always pointing the finger elsewhere.
MrScan253 6 months ago 6
@Hazel3336 kindly tell us more about this fake ......whatever!
dtwmtl 1 month ago
@Hazel3336 the man,is the head of the household,yet not the ruler. The woman is his partner,yet not his slave. There will always be wolves in sheeps clothing,but if you were a witness for 30 years you will know this. What i dont understand,is are you so brave as to go agianst god? can you not see the last days,the wicked upon this earth,and the fear and loathing in man? You are not alone,for Jehovah is always by yourside. (i am no longer a witness,but i understand and know god)
123abckickass 1 month ago
@123abckickass You work for the fucking devil, if you're a christian. Jahve is the ultimate deceiver.
Thesortvokter 1 month ago
thank you, i want to leave. I run into them everywhere and i got to be strong. they came by because of my doubts but always change my mind. Im supposed to attend tomorrow. and then next sun 1 day assembly. aaahhhh.
rayray7269 11 months ago
Forgiveness of sins is not conditioned by anything that we do, but it is all a gift of God's grace through faith
•Eph. 2:8, "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith -- and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God."
•Rom. 6:23, "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."
•See also, John 3:14-18.
SuperOZTV 1 year ago
who is the singer?
habibihala4u 1 year ago
@habibihala4u
I think its in the slide when the vido begins.. Petrelis
Rwssel 1 year ago
@unclebob100 THATS a mil $ question
Rwssel 1 year ago
JESUS IS DEAD. GOD DOESN'T ACTUALLY TALK TO PEOPLE. NO ONE KNOWS FOR SURE AND HAS LEGIT PROOF OF THE REAL RELIGION. I hate non JW Christians&Catholics, they're awful douche bags. All the JWs I know are nice, you may not agree with their views but oh well GET THE FUCK OVER IT. If they go around hating then they aren't obeying the rules, that's what normal christians do. Idk what happened to Freedom of Religion but if a religion makes someone feel whole then SHUT THE FUCK UP. Seriously.
lyricsXrocktheworld 1 year ago
@lyricsXrocktheworld - I'm with you on religion in general being unprovable. I'm not with you on non JW's being "douche bags". I've found a whole lot of nice non-JW's.
You are preaching tolerance for the views of JW's, fine. But the problem is that they go around preaching that all who don't agree with them will die violently at Armageddon, and also they shun former friends and family members who want the freedom to believe differently. Their hurtful attitudes are why we ex-JW's speak out.
cooper79jeffr 1 year ago
@cooper79jeffr I threw in the non-JW thing to make a point. People make hasty generalizations but depending on who it is about, people do or don't challenge it.& They shun former friends just like how anyone else would shun a friend who became a druggie or something. They don't want to get caught up in it and they see it as a possible bad influence that could disrupt their faith. What about people who say non believers will burn in hell for eternity? Much much worse.
lyricsXrocktheworld 1 year ago
@lyricsXrock - What about people who believe in hell? It depends on whether it's just an academic belief or if they go out of their way to give "hell" to nonbelievers in this life.
People can make personal decisions about who they want to hang with. But when shunning is institutionalized - like JW elders telling everyone they've decided who can't be your friend, that's controlling. The Bible says mature ones can distinguish right/wrong - it doesn't say they need elders to decide for them.
cooper79jeffr 1 year ago
@cooper79jeffr Well the elders at the Kingdom Hall I went to never did that&they knew my friends and knew they weren't the best kids. And so what if they believe in hell? JWs believe that if you're not dead by the time Armageddon comes and you have denied Jehovah then you're gonna die some how in all the chaos. They also never said JWs won't die during it, those who accept Jehovah just will come back. But somehow that's worse than an eternity in hell. They're both Christians, they suck equally.
lyricsXrocktheworld 1 year ago
@lyricsXrocktheworld - When I mentioned elders making decisions about who can't be your friends - I really meant their power to judge and disfellowship baptized members. They don't have that power over non-baptized people.
I would agree it's sickening and lame when religions feel they need to use fear of something like Armageddon or hellfire to keep people on their "straight and narrow".
cooper79jeffr 1 year ago
@lyricsXrocktheworld
watch your language mr
Rwssel 1 year ago 6
@lyricsXrocktheworld WOW! You make me want to be a JW!! Where do I sign up? Unbelievable hatred from a false religion. Can't say I'm not surprised.
MrSB1274 8 months ago
@lyricsXrocktheworld Did the elders at the kingdom hall show you their pee pee?
MrJpn1996 7 months ago
Check out "Jehovah Clause" here on youtube. It's a cartoon!
CatskillMountainView 1 year ago
Wow you are such a rediculous person!!
I wonder what your gonna think when the great tribulation comes and then Armageddon comes and then you and your little apostate disciples become bird food! But there is still time and jehova still can forgive so choose quickly.Love Alex..
Realestkilla1 1 year ago
@Realestkilla1
LOVE??? LOVE?? I cant image what would you say if you DIDN'T *LOVE* us...
Please open a lexicon and read the definition of LOVE
Rwssel 1 year ago
@Realestkilla1 They don't have to think anything because they know that like all false predictions and prophecies that the Watchtower has made in the past there interpetaions of the way the tribulation happens is false as well. And apostates of watchtower are not apsostates. They are called enlightened because they finally started listening to the Lord instead of a man made organization. Hopefully someday you will be one of those too.
BobbyORiley 1 year ago
@Realestkilla1 How do you know that your saved from Jehovahs wrath? Is your name in the book of life? I am interested because, the way you coduct youself here with your posting is very unchristian like. There is no words of encouragement in your statement, just words of fear. The threat of God's wrath is not a soul winning technique.
mosherincexjw 1 year ago
@Realestkilla1 The tribulation isn't coming because there's no god and there's no devil.
I promise you, if you live long enough to dire of old age, you'll realize this on your deathbed, just like billions who've died before you.
You'll say to yourself, "I was wrong. No god intervened in my lifetime. I have wasted it. I could have had a fulfilling life without all this superstition, but I was hoodwinked and brainwashed."
Don't let it happen. Wake up. You ARE in a cult, and religion is fake.
mebkick01 1 year ago
@mebkick01 - I think that a lof of JW's of my parents' generation, now in their 70's and having served the organization for several decades. They were promised the end would come soon way back in the 1960's and early 1970's, and that if they kept going door-to-door with the WT Society message that they'd see the end of this world's system and their own salvation. Now it's 2010 and they're finally facing their mortality. Some must realize "something is wrong with this picture".
cooper79jeffr 1 year ago
@cooper79jeffr Yeah I was raised JW but never baptized, thankfully. I really feel for all those who have or are wasting their lives, including my family right now. It's a lonely and mentally vapid way to go through life. I'm going to teach my daughter the most important lesson she'll ever learn: Question EVERYthing. Your teacher, the used car salesman, politicians and religious leaders who claim to have a direct pipeline to god ESPECIALLY when they tell you not to question them. QUESTION!
mebkick01 1 year ago
@mebkick01 - Great post. JW's won't like it, but what the heck. They are taught any independent thinking is dangerous. In reality, dependent thinking is more dangerous.
You'll make a good parent for teaching your daughter some critical thinking. Being raised JW, I was taught to kow-tow to everyone, be yielding - whether they had authority or not. Sheesh, it took me years to quit being a doormat and discern the real intentions of people - sometimes good, sometimes very selfish.
cooper79jeffr 1 year ago
@mebkick01 one million points! i taught my daughter those things, and guess what..she turned out a BRILLIANT balanced independent successful young woman with massive opportunities in her life..and every time someone mentions the bibel or God, she smiles and blinks an eye at me..and it brings tears of joy to my eyes and an ENOURMOUS feeling of PEACE in my heart.. i may not be perfect but i know i've done something right..
SuperTiredofitall 1 year ago
@cooper79jeffr Right! And they didnt plan for their retirement,because 'paradise; was going to come.So now,who takes care of them? Their disfellowshipped children who went to college and got degrees and good jobs..Is that ironic,or what?
meloniesghost 1 week ago
retard- go get an education. You will go much further once you get your mind back.
704982 1 year ago
@704982 talking to me?
Rwssel 1 year ago
@Rwssel Wow they sound real loving. Turn to Jesus Christ, He will by no means ever turn you away. Even if you turn away from Him, still will he be your Lord and friend.
phoobarr 1 year ago
I am so happy that GOD see it ALL and HE IS JUST!
ul2356 1 year ago
After being married to a JW for 15 years and experiencing their cult first hand I must say this song doesnt even come close to the pain I experienced at their hand. They are a ruthless people with a forked tongue preaching love, then hatred toward their own families. This is a truly evil organisation! I know. I lived it for 15 years and regret every year. Please, if you are in it, RUN AWAY! THEY ARE NOT OF GOD!!!
YTwatchdawg 1 year ago 29
@YTwatchdawg
I truly feel for you...That is why some of us try to slow down this dangerous cult
Rwssel 1 year ago
@Rwssel and we truly appreciate you for soing so!
ul2356 1 year ago
@ul2356
I am just a soldier, YOU can make the difference-SPEAK OUT EVERYWHERE about the madness the WTS is!!
Rwssel 1 year ago
@YTwatchdawg I finally found God without religion, Churches of all denominations are contaminated. God does not dwell in handmade temples. I hold His hand in my faith walk everyday, no religion, no traditions of men, no lies, no conforming, no judgement. Love all people, forgive freely. I know your pain, The truth does set you free, how that was misquoted, enslaved to religion is not of God.
Ayelyah 1 year ago 8
@YTwatchdawg You are so right! JW Organization is indeed a dangerous cult!
BananaJSSI 1 year ago
so sad, the world is in a sad situation, you should listen to the JW's
kindlyplease 1 year ago
Jehovah witness have got J sickness
they put J when there is no J
YAHWY becomes Jehovah
MAD WORLD
MrMythbuster1 1 year ago
Freewillism is a False Gospel ---> youtube.com/watch?v=ChFyB2_XF5w
TCMAO0 1 year ago
@lavellove1 guess what? "jehovah" isn't the name of God. "Jehovah" is an english language corruption of the Hebrew YHWH, pronounced "yahweh." So in reality, you guys aren't really using the name of God either. As a side note, Jews don't like to pronounce "yahweh" because they think it too holy to pronounce. And for years, Christians have been reluctant to do so for pretty much the same reason, and it carries into our Bible translations. Hope this helped clear things up for you.
Fil0girl 1 year ago
@lavellove1 (2 John 10,11) is actually a warning for all Christians to not let JWs and Mormons into our homes. They are the ones preaching another Jesus. Christians Know who Jesus is, and He never was a created angel. He said He's God, and we believe Him. (Rev.1:8) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which IS, and which WAS, and which is to come, THE ALMIGHTY.
DeeStinger1 1 year ago
@lavellove1
Hail Satan :)
YoungPipeLungs 1 year ago
@YoungPipeLungs
Satan is the Christian God of Evil. Non-Christians reject both of them to the same degree.
pupsenok 1 year ago
@pupsenok
That's not true, Some forms of Satanism (theistic and luciferian) actually worship a Satan like Deity.
YoungPipeLungs 1 year ago
@YoungPipeLungs
The fact that some people (Satanists) actually worship Satan (the Christian God of Evil) does not change the fact that Satan is the Christian God of Evil.
pupsenok 1 year ago
@lavellove1 - You are parroting the Watchtower Society's demonization of anyone who dares leave the organization and speak out about it. Mere disagreement with you should not provoke such a vicious reaction, calling them sons of Satan and poisoned.
However since you are involved in a high control group, this slanderous wording seems natural to you.
I use reason to speak against what I view as the Watchtower's deceit and control. Such criticism of an organization is not blasphemy.
cooper79jeffr 1 year ago
im just wandering why some DF WEre have a lot to say of dis_appointment after they done wrong.
sanchezzar 1 year ago
im just wandering why some DF WEre have a lot to say of dis_appointment after they done wrong.
sanchezzar 1 year ago
@sanchezzar - Thanks for illustrating exactly how judgmental Jehovah's Witnesses are. Also, thanks for showing that you feel that former members of your religion really should just shut up about it.
cooper79jeffr 1 year ago
if it was that pretty i wouldn't have left.
jhweh2007 1 year ago
i love MIDI music attempting to be taken seriously.
thousandlegger 1 year ago
may jehova have mercy on u brother
cisco760ca 1 year ago
@cisco760ca - No, may Jehovah have mercy on the people who assigned themselves his name and have done so much wrong to so many people.
cooper79jeffr 1 year ago
Good clip for anyone shrugging off the bonds of any religion. So may Greek songs actually have this theme. Man suffers at hand of woman. Love it.
justaguyiknow 1 year ago
george has done his homework
9577frasier 1 year ago
In the Scriptures, certain numbers have symbolic significance. The number seven, for example, is often used to symbolize that which is complete, or perfect, in God's eyes. Seven signifies divinely determined completeness. Revelation 1:4, 12, 16; 4:5; 5:1, 6; 10:3, 4.
Currently there are over 7 million people soon to be in number 7,777,777 (7x7) who are a witness about God's name J-E-H-O-V-A-H 7 letters.
The number seven in the Bible is clearly not paganism or numerology.
Whois-GodDotcom
ReligionOrTruth 1 year ago
I had these JW's forever knocking on my door, and they would not stop trying to convert the whole neighbourhood. Two women Jw's at my door, I invited them in, I started stipping my clothes off and said. "If I got to listen to you you can pay me so get them off." Well I never saw JW's run so fast, they never knocked on my door again.
2Roo7ted 1 year ago
@2Roo7ted - That is funny.
Yet I feel for the JW's. They are trying really hard at what they do. Going out to speak a message you know is unpopular is really hard. (I know, I used to be JW.)
They are constantly told they must do this, they have hours goals set for them, and inside the congregation the more hours and results you get (or say you get), the better your status.
As bothersome as this is, be glad we live in a free society where you can express even unpopular ideas.
cooper79jeffr 1 year ago 10
You understand the power occults have over you, and how they entrap themselves and their decendents to the occult, all through the power of belief.
They knock on the door not to tell you about Jesus, but to enslave you to 'em.
Islam is an occult, like your parents enslaved you they enslave their children, but by death instread of disfellowship.
They don't discuss prophecies, john or muhammad one is false. Imagine JW's migrating with the belief they'll inhert the earth, that is what comin
2Roo7ted 1 year ago
@cooper79jeffr wow! It's pretty interesting how you view it! That is so fleshly and where the hell did you get that "status" thing from? You must of been around some ghetto area or something! Dang!!! I've been in 3 different states and have never come across those things you speak of! Before you try to bite, let me just say I am DF, and my mind is not near as twisted as yours! lol!!!!
sweetnseksi 1 year ago
@sweetnseksi - Hi there. I'm quite the cynical one, aren't I? I have seen people in the JW congregations choose their associates based on "spiritual" criteria like how often they answer at meetings or how much they go in service. Those who are more quiet and reserved don't get the privileges and don't get as many invitations to "get togethers" or whatever they call them.
I grew up in the suburbs but spen my adult life in inner-city congregations.
cooper79jeffr 1 year ago
@cooper79jeffr Hello to you too. So what you're saying is that those congregations developed cliques? Were you raised in it? If so, then I can definitely relate to YOUR "view". I have never come across feeling like that, because those things were never important to me. Again, it is with a view to the fleshly things that does stumble one. It can be very discouraging, but let me ask you this: "Is God to blame for how the "congregation" treated you? (In YOUR eyes, that is?)
sweetnseksi 1 year ago
@sweetnseksi - Yes there were cliques. But I'm really talking about the organization as a whole. After all we were reminded in the literature to watch out, that even some within the organization might be dangerous. In light of that, every friendship one has in that environment is conditional. It could change if the person is "slipping" or not active enough in organizational activities.
I don't think God has anything to do with the JW's, so I view these things as how people treated people.
cooper79jeffr 1 year ago
@cooper79jeffr I get your disappointment and I can see how that would make you feel like that. I'm sorry you went through that, but it was different for me. I always looked at things from a bigger perspective because I am more focused on my personal relationship with Jehovah above all human relationships! (It's just me! I was raised to be as humble as possible) So I don't falter from popularity, friendships coming and going...I couldn't care less! I'm focused on my one on one with Jah...bless!
sweetnseksi 1 year ago
@sweetnseksi - I'm not speaking of just my own experience, but of the judgmentalism I saw IN GENERAL in the organization. I was in 5 different congregations and 3 different circuits, so I know this is not a narrow phenomenon (such as just finding one "cold" congregation).
The WTS organization puts emphasis on your relationship TO IT rather than to Jesus or to God. Obedience to organizational procedures and submission to its appointed men is emphasized over a personal relationship with God.
cooper79jeffr 1 year ago
@sweetnseksi - Post #2 - I'm glad you have found your peace outside the organization even though you're DF'd. I've found that former JW's go into 3 groups - (1) bitterly opposed, (2) still believing in it and not feeling "good enough" to rejoin, and (3) don't believe it any more & moved on to another belief/non-belief system.
I'm in group #3. I'm opposed to the JW's but not bitter. I see some serious areas of dishonest teaching and harmful practice, so I point those out as a public service.
cooper79jeffr 1 year ago
@cooper79jeffr yes pointing it out is a good thing. Everyone needs to know, but also, keep in mind that we as humans view everything differently. I've come across many JWs that I personally don't get along with, but it doesn't bother me. I know we're all human and we all make mistakes...power corrupts! I have faith in the Bible because it's principles have changed my entire life for the better! I know Jehovah is real and if I have to separate them from it, then so be it...but my faith is true!
sweetnseksi 1 year ago
@sweetnseksi - I've never been to Hawaii. I know that the attitudes in California and Florida Kingdom Halls are different, because the lifestyle is more recreation-oriented. I imagine Hawaii is more family-oriented and close-knit.
I don't dislike most of the JW people. Like any group, they have caring people and selfish ones. My beef is with the organization itself. It claims to be superior and it demands loyalty / obedience (as you say - power). In our own ways, we're both free from that.
cooper79jeffr 1 year ago
@cooper79jeffr I'm not having a problem with the organization, because 1) I'm not one who cares for status 2) I've never been pressured or felt pressured to preach. I was never told how many hours to make according to anything! It was done according to each individual person's ability to put in time. (Willingly!!!) 3) I'm not so into social gatherings. I was not exposed to that, but I have to admit, I've seen alot of unbelievable badness in Cali congregations! lol....
sweetnseksi 1 year ago
@cooper79jeffr so tell me, what do you do now that you've apostasized? (No offense intended)...just my way of expression. I'm really curious. I also would like to ask you one thing? Can you, honestly say that the Bible is not the INSPIRED word of GOD? That in applying its principles, it does not better one's life on every level? (I'm waiting for your answer) I'm really enjoying our discussion! ;)
sweetnseksi 1 year ago
@sweetnseksi - What do I do now ? It's too much to fit into 500 characters. I might send you a separate PM. I can say I'm really enjoying life: reading, research, cultural events, travel, my sister & her family, my girlfriend and her relatives, and my job - I have worked hard to get into a position I truly enjoy where I feel like I make a difference.
Regarding the Bible, please don't be offended but I think every "holy" book was written by priesthoods to support their authority.
cooper79jeffr 1 year ago
@cooper79jeffr I'm not offended by that at all, You evaded my question. Of course we know that men wrote the 66 books of the Bible. I am curious as to why you have no religion? Most people leave one for another, but from my own experience, JWs are known for never going to another religion unless they were already demented. As for apostasizing, even they would rather worship alone.
I don't need to wonder why, but I do know that most find their lives unsatisfactory. Food for thought my friend =)
sweetnseksi 1 year ago
@sweetnseksi yeah the new Testament's Books were carefully selected by the Roman Catholic Church, They left plenty of other books out, So to me JW are just another branch of the Roman Catholic church with a different views in faith. Catholics "Oh Yeah, ah The Father,The Son and the Holy Spirit are one" , JW "We desagree , All 3 are different with Jehovah being God" , Pagan "We think Odin is God" ,Bhuddist "You shall all bout to Bhudda", Jew "Gentiles ,you will all perish" ,Muslim "Die infidels"
MrTheMechanix 1 year ago
@cooper79jeffr You can pm me anytime, I really enjoy talking to you, even though I know we're not supposed to. I am open to your perspective more so because we shared the same faith. I honestly don't respect many worldly views, and I would rather it comes from someone like you than anyone else!
sweetnseksi 1 year ago
@cooper79jeffr so true Jeff. You are very reasonable. I was raised in Hawaii and it's very different there. You have to also recognize that there is no such thing or place that is completely free from corruption. As for the field service time, that never really bothered me much, but I get how anything could get out of control. I've also noticed that in Cali, the members are not as warm as in Hawaii. It does not affect me personally, because I have an extra large family...
sweetnseksi 1 year ago
@2Root
LOL now thats true humor !!!
lol
thanks for sharing, ve got to try something like that !!
wellyaiamcanadianay 1 year ago
That is very rude and disturbing. the only thing they try to do is help you. If you dont want the help then fine, but why make their job more difficult?
rinabeezy 1 year ago
@rinabeezy If I need help to be brainwashed I will watch the media.. Because maybe we want to help you get a better life without control of a religion.
rachelmmmmbourne 1 year ago
@rinabeezy I'm crazy but I am not stupid, I do understand religion, religion cares about nothing but itself, man is just a blade of grass religion eats and shits out to survive, the only reason religion want to help me is to convert me, and enslave me and my children to them as God. Saying no thanks my religion forbids me becoming religious, don't work, making religions job more difficult can only becalled God's work.
2Roo7ted 1 year ago
archeng123 1 year ago
you see Jesus said what ever you ask in my Name accordinging to his will will be given when a son ask for bread did he give him a stone even more so holy spirit
you see all religions claim they have the last word of God Islam sunni shia mormons hindus and the thousands of christian denominations so who is God answering???????all claiming God is answer them
archeng123 1 year ago
Fuck long comments full of Christian dogmatic propaganda and childish bitching.
Ozzy0sbourne 2 years ago
@Ozzy0sbourne - Hey Ozzy, good thing YouTube limits each comment to 500 characters, eh?
cooper79jeffr 2 years ago 3
@cooper79jeffr
Damn good that it is or we would have autobiographies and biographies here.
Ozzy0sbourne 2 years ago
look whatever the bible says even if it said kill your brother if he does this.. we follow and it says abstain from blood so we dont even taste it to see if its good ; ) but if u didnt know its ok its only once you know right and wrong. solid food belongs to mature ones to determine right and wrong. i dont look down on someone who did something and didnt know I will only keep my distance if they start to risk their life then i know mine is also in jeapordy
Nickatimes 2 years ago
this actually helped me kinda get over my ex
Nickatimes 2 years ago 2
lol
Rwssel 2 years ago
jehova witnesses and mormons are the masonic shock troopers of the new world order.
georgeosgr 2 years ago
Agreed! Happy new year to all!
Rwssel 2 years ago
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Nickatimes 2 years ago
@Nickatimes i mean their founding fathers were masons further more jw were associated to the UN via ngo until the late 90s,what about false prophecy and mind control.Shock to change into one root race,mass man is a lucif plan nwo do your homework.G-d doesnt need marketing..
georgeosgr 2 years ago
@Nickatimes - Not true. There was segregation of black JW's from white JW's during the time of C.T. Russell and Rutherford, up through the 1950's. Was Russell loving to make blacks sit together in the back during his presentations of the Photodrama of Creation in the 1910's? They did not stand up for equal rights. The 1929 Golden Age printed the idea that the blacks were a cursed race. If God was really with the WTS, they wouldn't have done that.
They only integrated when it became the law.
cooper79jeffr 2 years ago 2
link it or it didnt happen lol plz
Nickatimes 2 years ago
@Nickatimes - It did happen. Just go to Google and enter "segregation photo drama of creation" and select the first result. It's fully documented there. No LOL - your organization was steeped in segregation. What's so damn funny?
cooper79jeffr 2 years ago
i replace harmful emotions by smiling and love so i tend to giggle when something hurts me ; ) why get mad and hurt yourself i do alot of youtube surfing hehe
Nickatimes 2 years ago
Wow. I found you here, and I did not know this. You go Boy!
Segregation in a 1929 Golden Age
RODikUlus 1 year ago
What about refusal of blood transfusions to children? What about refusal of vacsinations?
Kllew1 2 years ago
blood transfusion....a doctor snuck and gave my cousin a blood transfusion and he died, he told them he didnt want to sin against God. let me explain why
Nickatimes 2 years ago
Blood is also sacred in God's eyes. God says that the soul, or life, is in the blood. So it is wrong to eat blood. It is also wrong to eat the meat of an animal that has not been properly bled. If an animal is strangled or dies in a trap, it should not be eaten. If it is speared or shot, it must be bled quickly if it is to be eaten.—Genesis 9:3, 4; Leviticus 17:13, 14; Acts 15:28, 29.
Nickatimes 2 years ago
Is it wrong to accept a blood transfusion? Remember, Jehovah requires that we abstain from blood. This means that we must not take into our bodies in any way at all other people's blood or even our own blood that has been stored. (Acts 21:25) So true Christians will not accept a blood transfusion. They will accept other kinds of medical treatment, such as transfusion of nonblood products. They want to live, but they will not try to save their life by breaking God's laws.—Matthew 16:25.
Nickatimes 2 years ago
@Nickatimes - Jehovah doesn't require abstinence from blood transfusion. Your Watchtower organization does, and you follow it to the letter. They allow members to accept BLOOD FRACTIONS. How the heck is that a "nonblood product"? Answer that.
Also why is the "symbol of life" more sacred than life itself? That's ass-backwards both logically and Biblically.
cooper79jeffr 2 years ago
theses bodies are not ours ; ) we are host they belong to God so we take care of them we put in what only he allows. if he says abstain from it then we do thats the most simple way to put it ; )
Nickatimes 2 years ago
@cooper79jeffr Just what you are saying here i will like for you to write a letter to the apostle Paul telling him that - This command about blood is in Paul's letter - Read Acts 15:28, 29 and do not forget to let Paul know exactly how you feel about the issue of blood
Sheila
00sheilagreasley100 1 year ago
@00sheilagreasley100 - Regarding Acts 15:28, 29 - are you seriously asking me to write a letter to a long-dead apostle? LOL, that's crazy. I don't have any issues with the apostle Paul anyhow. My issue is with the strained and arbitrary interpretation enforced by the men of Brooklyn who run the WT Society. They should stay out of the business of medical decisions. Besides, they have watered down their "no blood" doctrine so that now they aren't standing on any principals whatsoever.
cooper79jeffr 1 year ago
Blood is not just blood anymore . It can be broken down into many different parts . The WTS now allows many of these . So many people died years ago , and now the society changes thier dogma and those people who died did for no reason . Same thing happened with vaccinations , years ago they were not allowed , now they are . If my memory is correct this also happened with some organ transplants . Alot of poeple died with the excuse of "new light" .
Kllew1 2 years ago
If bethel is inspired by god , should they really screw somthing like that up? They have changed thier dogma on MANY other things too .
Kllew1 2 years ago
yes but it is called a new light!
just like in my elevator trade everyone is mad because they saw a problem and everyone is like will why didnt they see or say this before? its because they put a microscope on the situation and see it differently now we are all learning even Gods people their not perfect and dont try to be in this world
Nickatimes 2 years ago
@Nickatimes -
The main problem of JW leaders is they NEVER admit that they might be currently wrong. They switch doctrine and spin it as "new light". It's not consistent to say you have God's authority and must be believed/obeyed (or they'll expel you and tell your friends/relatives to shun you), but then hide behind the "only human" shield when wrong.
I agree that you still have to have reasoning within yourself. It's okay to have thoughts that are different than imperfect human leaders.
cooper79jeffr 2 years ago
I understand your anology , but I think it is very different , apples and oranges . Men work on elevators . They dont claim they are gods voice , gods ONLY voice , directly inspired of him . They trouble shoot. If that is the case , arn't you worried they may be telling you somthing now that is totally wrong ? What if they are and you realisze this and do what you think is right ? You would be dis-fellowshiped .
Kllew1 2 years ago
I would like to add though . I often read through JW threads . ALOT of JW who post are nasty vulgar defensive Aholes , exactly what they preach against , but now its ok because thier hidden behind an IP address .Its nice to see your attitude . BTW I read these time to time because I was raised JW for 15 yrs . Whole 9 , conventions , door to door , ministry school .
Kllew1 2 years ago
right, but even electricity we now know goes from - to + not from + to - (negative to postive) we thought it started from the postive but we were wrong. But it worked either way!! yeah smoking use to be ok but once we found out i was bad they said it was bad. alot of Jw left cuz they wanted to smoke, im sure their is even more stuff that we do now that is bad sooner or later as technologie advances. We talked about no to blood tonight thousands of pple die because Heptitis during transfer 4recor
Nickatimes 2 years ago
I'm sorry , the electricity thing your telling me isn't making much sense to me , you sure you got that right?. Like I said , alot of people quit smoking when they found out it was bad , alot din't . The numbers they project about people dieing from blodd TF are totally out of context . When a person is to the point of needing a TF they are in pretty rough shape , a good majority will probably die . Give me a like if you can so I can research the statistics .
Kllew1 2 years ago
yeah well my family member died they snuck and put blood in him thinking it was to help him, just 1 case i agree with what you said. yes their is a new light!! JW use to smoke untill they realized it was bad just like the other options for blood that your saying we didnt know of this its a new light we Gods people are not perfect and do not know everything you still have to have reasoning within youself
Nickatimes 2 years ago
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Nickatimes 2 years ago
@Nickatimes we are one flesh,all Gods crew.That is what Christianity teaches,not only the jw organization.Witnesses will be the ones who oppose the zionwo,the ones who stand up for Jesus.Organizations such as jw that have abundance in man power and funds should do more in crisis situations, rather than expanding their corporate apparatus in the Amazon for example.JW in a way are idol worshippers the idol is the book....Lmao
georgeosgr 2 years ago
@georgeosgr that's the whole point of this "apostate" video and he proudly admits it! Funny how most apostate videos have disabled comments for their crap! They can't handle the truth because they can't look at themselves! Cowards!!!! Blame everyone but yourselves, just like the demons you all are! hahahahahaha! Ewwwww!!!!
2luscious4this 1 year ago
@2luscious4this YEAH SURE BROTHER ISNT THAT HOW MASONS CALL EACH OTHER.wake up God doesnt need marketing.
georgeosgr 1 year ago
@georgeosgr You're obviously just here to troll and start an argument. If that's all you want to do, then go right ahead. Do you not have a brother? Do you ever call anyone a brother? If so, then you really should quit the name calling! I'm not marketing God, just setting it straight, but you obviously like crookedness!
2luscious4this 1 year ago
@2luscious4this brother how bought it when you get all your answers before giving out watchtower talking about prothink and ideological subversion anyway have a nice day evil goes far beyond one man one organization or one nation it cuts through the hearts of all men.
georgeosgr 1 year ago
@georgeosgr is a dear sister who is out to make sure the world gets their due worship! How admirable you satanic slave! As for me, I am disfellowshipped, but never would I turn twisted like your lack of reasoning! I on the other hand don't believe in worshiping myself and my hurt ego, sister!
2luscious4this 1 year ago
@2luscious4this Get over it i was never a j witness a brother or sister of yours the pathetic saved ones talking about power tripping phycopaths talking to G-d how dare you .....modern servitude is voluntary, think for yourself.
georgeosgr 1 year ago
@georgeosgr thinks for himself all the time! Something tells him to keep replying to me? Hmmm...can you tell yourself to stop replying to me? Since we obviously are not talking about the same thing here? What's with the name calling? Did something set you off? Pardon me, sir? Hope you feel better =)
2luscious4this 1 year ago
@2luscious4this i understand your confusion thats ok.
georgeosgr 1 year ago
@georgeosgr thank you for being such a gentleman about this. ;)
Perhaps another time? We'll get into it, but for now...PEACE!!!
2luscious4this 1 year ago
Over the years we have all been lied to by many false Religous Leaders and so called prophets. Many things we have been taught are not even in Scripture and millions have swallowed so many lies by these false leaders. If you are a truth seeker please visit the web site which is displayed in our user name and take the time to read some of the articles... You will be very shocked.
There is a great audio there for you to listen to. You will come away asking many questions.
Blessings
Thanks Ben
2besavedcom 2 years ago
Dumbest thing ever !
theBIBLETHUMPER83 2 years ago
So basically, the guy in the video ALMOST escaped the occultic clutches of the JW's, but at the last minute, Satan got him back into his fold.
Sad.
DelusionTerminator 2 years ago
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Remember leaders of different Christian sects, the will of God is undivided Christianity. Give up your churches, no more Catholic, Protestants, Adventist, JW etc. If you think that I am wrong then prove that you are right. Ive asked the Lord for the two simultaneous explosion of volcano in the U.S. within this month of December, pray that it wouldnt happen, if despite of your prayer it does happen, then know that God is with me therefore you have to listen to me.
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conceil8 2 years ago
Lookit! It's the "Whore of Babylon" riding on a train!!
Good bit of sarcasm... Would be funny if you could insert the Governing Body into this video somehow... Maybe urging the female to "convert" the guy....??
WWZenaDo 2 years ago
Please watch:
"Illuminati and it's infiltration of Christianity"
watch?v=UzK3QeEWEYs
truth about Jehovah's witness
selious04 2 years ago
to cooper's comment.. The Watchtower quotes you are taking from are anywhere from 20-40 years old. The JW organization has really amanded their teachings. Try quoting a recent Watchtower
TheRealMswitit 2 years ago
RealMswitit,
I am aware that the Watchtower constantly shits some of its teachings back and forth. However, in this case the burden of proof would be on YOU to prove the Watchtower corrected or changed what it taught only 16 years ago, in 1993.
They still teach contempt and distrust of ex-members, that I know. In fact they likely do so now more than ever.
cooper79jeffr 2 years ago
Sorry I accidentally misspelled shifts in the adjacent post as "shits". It looks really goofy - talk about a Freudian slip!
Should have said:
I am aware that the Watchtower constantly shifts some of its teachings back and forth.
cooper79jeffr 2 years ago
i think JW's r changing their views again,because i left JW about twelve years ago,and just yesterday i told my mother how felt about JW(as if it wasn't obvious how i felt).i know to her i am now an apostate lol.but she isn't gonna tell anyone n her congregation about this talk.i even told her 2,and she still said no.i think its funny,but shes bn one for almost 60 years,and i think i might have gotten thru 2 her.just show them how it drives families apart thats how u do it.its almost impossible
6VaLeNtInE6MaSSaCrE6 2 years ago
6VA,
From all I've read, JW's still treat former members harshly, even family members.
In your case it's different if you haven't been announced as "No longer JW" which tells JWs to avoid you. Maybe your mom wants to keep your apostasy secret. JW parents feel special shame if they "lose their childrent to Satan's world".
My parents blame me for the rift between us because I won't come back on their terms: that I go back to JWs. Parents should LOVE their children without such conditions.
cooper79jeffr 2 years ago
@cooper79jeffr It is not that your Parents do not love you but they hate what you believe in - I have a son who is not a Jehovah's Witness and as a matter of fact I think that he hates them because his girlfriend is a Roman Catholic and that does not mean that I hate him because i love him - he is my son and I love him but i hate his beliefs
Sheila
00sheilagreasley100 1 year ago
A recent visitor to my home denied that ex Jw's are disfellowshipped and treated badly. I suppose some are more fanatical than others.
tjttzcspplt 2 years ago
TJTTZ,
If that recent visitor was an actual JW, then they were lying to you. Every JW is aware that disfellowshipping and shunning occurs.
If they were disputing whether a person is "treated badly", then they are sugar-coating the actual commands given them by the Watchtower Society, probably trying to make it seem that they aren't as bad or cultic as you think.
I know this from personal experience. If a member is announced from the platform as no longer a JW they are treated as dead.
cooper79jeffr 2 years ago
ORIBEAR SAID APOSTATES SHOULD BE MURDERED. MANY PEOPLE WHO BECOME WITNESSES ARE DISTURBED GOING IN. UNFORTUNATELY ITS A mental issue. if people could wake up to illuminati manipulation humanity could EVOLVE AND UNDERSTAND REGULAR PEOPLE DONT CREATE CULTS aka the edomite jew founder ct russell and his pyramid gravestone. unfortunately the ignorant cult member cannot grasp the significance of that they will say "hmm its ok we have new presidents now" its a mental issue education best solution.
IHS200 2 years ago
IHS,
The Watchtower publishes hateful rhetoric about people, real humans with feelings and thoughts, who used to be their "property" but are now loose in the world. They tell their followers that former JW's are evil or defective.
This rhetoric is intended to insulate their members from any reality-check that former members might bring on families and friends still captive to the WTS.
It also stirs up base emotions in some of their fringe members. But the blame rests on the WTS.
cooper79jeffr 2 years ago
jehovah witnesses are to blame to. do they tell their cult prospects they are not allowed to have freinfds who are not in their cult as they love bomb them? do they tell prospects who they are stalking/calling on that you have to follow the cults medical precepts and that might lead to death, divorce etc...nope when do they drop the bomb few months in as they dig into a persons life they are TO BLAME TO. every time they say they are truth they decive. do they tell people about false prophecies
IHS200 2 years ago
IHS,
To find out any drawbacks about any religion (including JW's), you have to do research. Most religions will not give you both "pros" and "cons" about joining them.
The leadership of JW"s sets the tone by behaving like they are God's representatives, not to be questioned. Further, they put the magnifying glass on other religions, examining them for cracks.
JW's are convinced we all will die, and are afraid that any reasoning we give them will lead to their doom.
cooper79jeffr 2 years ago
IHS = Isis, Horus, Seb
DelusionTerminator 2 years ago
Regarding former JW's, "We must hate in the truest sense, which is to regard with extreme - active aversion, to consider as loathsome, odious, filthy, to detest." WT 10/1/1952 p. 599
"In order to hate what is bad a Christian must hate the person." WT 7/15/1961 p. 420
Such people are to be hated "in the sense of avoiding them as we would avoid a poisonous snake". WT 6/15/1980 page 8
So much for the idea that the Watchtower does not preach hatred.
cooper79jeffr 2 years ago
"Godly hate is a powerful protection against wrongdoing....A Christian must hate (in the Bibilical sense of the word) those who have inseparably attached themselves to badness". Watchtower, October 1, 1993 page 19
To a loyal JW, the above quote contains coded language which means they are to hate ex-members, to protect themselves from any scary opposing ideas.
cooper79jeffr 2 years ago
Jehovahs Wit doesn't preach hate, they preach the Kingdom of God....and defend their believes in the Bible and Help others to find hope with the word of God, they never impose anything for anyone.I am Jehovah's Wit...I never did such things that people says here without prove
wrodusa2006 2 years ago
Wrodusa,
According to Watchtower Society teaching, the first thing the Kingdom of God will do is rid the earth of 99.9% of humanity because they don't adhere to the "Bible based" views of the Society.
This is one reason why people feel the religion of the Watchtower is one of doom and gloom. Another reason is the Watchtower Society's relentless campaign against its former members.
You may be a positive person, but the Society's outlook on humankind seems quite gloomy.