Wow... I'm not going to effect my environment any more than to say that this is rudimentary at best, and such as to confuse those seeking truth. Don't listen, its limited expansion within concepts of oneness and equality of all. Not all are one but are within one. Find the rhythm of you and you find complex signals that are not of you, yet they are of a you not lived within this "one" if you will.
I don't care how 'smart' you may be, but to talk so condescending to someone just shows how much more growth you have left. Your journey is far from over.
YOU ARE A JOKE IN ORDER TO BE YOU MUST HAVE A START "NOT WITHIN EXISTENCE" WE ARE AN EQUATION ALL EQUATIONS START THUS TO BE MEANS SOMETHING STARTED THE BEGINNING. YOU R A PRICK "IN EXISTENCE" YOU LAUGH AT PEOPLE THAT DON'T GET UR VERSION OF CONCEPT BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO BASE TO SAY THAT TIME AND EXISTENCE HAVE JUST BEEN NO START NO FINNISH IT JUST IS ABSURD U R A SHMUCK "WITHIN THIS TIME" AND WHEN UR DAY IS OVER I HAVE A DOLLAR THAT SAYS U WILL PRAY TO THE GOD U DNT BELIEVE IS REAL JUST TO SAVE U
@yellaonel He's talking about God. Time is not the cause of god/existence. It is a function of it. This is in almost every bible/religion i've studied. The whole "I AM" philiosophy. Time is more the soil for our roots of memories to grow in. Broading awareness as they grow. Our perception is probably the result of some sort of mitosis process. A small singularity of god's soul. Constantly dividing the reality around itself based on the frequency of its choice. Creating space and time.
@Katara888Energy you don't understand! alright now picture the universe, ok, now picture it without galaxys, ok, now picture it without stars, there NOTHING
@Katara888Energy you still don't understand it's so hard to listen to someone who dosn't listen! alright i can picture "when the big bang never happened" its pretty simple just look at the above comment
it did make alot of sense to me though. ever since age7 or 8 this BIG? already bothered me. In Buddhism sutra the term " non-beginning (wu-hse)" is often used wherever the "time" or "date" is mentioned, now I see why...
glad that i got this ever BIG? solved, and thank you for posting it, and again thanks Bashar, u the BEST!!
@farerse I guess you always existed, but you weren't created. So like when you combine h20 it makes water, but let's say h is not combined with 0 they are two seprate things, but when h20 is combined it makes water, just like cells make you. i think it's like that.
@farerse Nonexistance is all things that dont happen but could have happened. nonexistance is in our existance but we cannot see it, we can think about it though. Why does bashar say there is NO existance when he does not know that as a fact? Why does bashar say within existance? If we are within there has to be a without.
@farerse I am fully aware we can ONLY create a picture of nonexistance with props created within existance. There has to be a without.I can imagine nonexistance. It's very easy to be honest to think about nonexistance because we dont know what exists in our own existance. We dont know about nonexistance but nonexistance knows about us. Maybe something created existance by accident or a project or a work of art and is watching its progress as we think about what existance is.
...there is no way back when except within existence, the idea is that time is subject to existence but existence is not subject to time..." Wow! Talk about profound! Bashar is a real heavy hitter.
Every time I try to think of "non existence" I get a kick start into understanding "existence as such", which is partly a quality of my awareness OF that existence (not just that existence by itself), so my awareness of existence is PART OF existence and ramify the MEANING OF existence, and this is part of that "evolution of existence WITHIN itself...". Sigh.... humans.
@11wakeup11 makes absolutely no sense yet all the sense in the world/ our minds. even if existence is absolute void of nothingness there never could have been a beginning and then it was self aware and yet why the hell did it become material?
atheists assss ert after u die it's nothingness stark death, well if that's the case how come it didn't stay like that indefinitely forever and theists are just full threatening bullshit mostly
you know it does make sense cause i have thought about exitence before and you rely just cannot imagine nothing even to imagine nothing you need existance,and even if ther is nothing you need somthing for that nothing you see it just dosent work
When I have felt the nothingness at a few points in my life. It was like a total body shock, sort of like dipping your toe in the water, but way more intense. Then the understanding leaves you, and you are just left with the awe of the experience.
wow..before stumbling upon this video, i was looking at other bashar youtube clips and was wondering what "existence" means. Listening to this clip.. i can kinda understand it is what it is..... but I still don't have a clear definition of WHAT IS existence. In other video he quotes, " you exist because you deserve to be".....i dont understand... i want to understand tho... perhaps it's a lot to think about all in one night..hahaha =D thanks for sharing Bashar!
@sunshyne83 existence can't be defined as a "thing" or substance. Existence is essentially the "I AM" spirit or consciousness that cannot be defined. Existence is the divine presence that is nothing, but contains everything.
He's aggressive because many of the concepts he speaks of are very plain and simple in a sense, it's just that the human mind has conditioned itself to look at my concepts incorrectly, inaccurately, or inadequetly, and he has to strongly enforce the true nature of said concepts.
@D3w10n because at the core of everything's nothing/ emptiness still. And in an infinite regression of cause and effect brings one back to nothingness [which could not have had a beginning or thus an ending], if this emptiness did not have intent/ awareness/ at least a semblance of presence, then everything would've remained unconscious unaware emptiness forever and no one/ know 1 would've ever known the difference. i.e if a true void of empty death everywhere was ever a state it would still be.
@D3w10n not necessarily always, otherwise we'd be static. HUM/ whom/ who =unknown/ dark & AN/ on/ sun =known/ light, so therefore HUM AN = dark & light; unknown & known
the atheist and theist each assume to know the unknowable, only on opposite sides of the spectrum.
one can also see how putting a light/ known on something/ also casts a shadow/ unknown at the same time
@D3w10n "There are those that look at things the way they are, and ask, 'Why?' I dream of things that never were, and ask 'Why not?'" Robert Francis Kennedy
@JNdigital be careful with that... experience does NOT equal existence.
Existence is NOT subject to an "Experience," rather, the experience is subject to existence.
consciousness is the WAY TO the Father (absolute). There comes a time where experience no longer helps... as in the "idea" of "separation" is COMPLETELY dissolved, but one does not need to be alive or experiencing things in life to exist.
@MrGravityDance I put those in order on purpose, as in awareness [in various realms or dimensions, so to speak]or a wake gives way to existence [birth], which then gives way to experience/ experiment.
when some gurus, etc. describe a place beyond existence or experience, they could be pointing at pure awareness or being, however if it goes any further it looks like it would be absence or death to me/ non being/ non existence
@MrGravityDance the word LIfE and Die has the word lie. the center is also the flatline on a heartbeat, the right and the left are aberrations of the center
@MrGravityDance this should help you see it, Die and Lie [it's kind of hidden]
another way to look at is through breathing.. there's in breath, then pause/ silence, out breath, then pause/ silence [or center]. the truth is wherever you are, if realities infinite in all directions, you're always in the center, so the illusion is there's such thing as a right and left concept. I say once reaching immortality then the illusion of death and birth both cease. ultimate "divine" always was/is/will be
@JNdigital all that I've heard so far is "everything is illusion, the true nature of WHO YOU ARE is always going to be masked by experience, which is existence itself. You are always this flowing center that is never truly who you are"
but this makes me wonder... so if the experience is the lie and we are always this center, shouldn't dissolving the experience be what we should be after?
by the way, how is your immortality-reaching going?
@MrGravityDance confusing, you've lost me.. and apparently are hearing whatever you tell yourself, which I don't necessarily agree with or follow totally.
Okay.
At any rate, I guess you might not get this message anyway, since your channels no longer available for some reason [another one bites the dust].
@MrGravityDance if you seek non existence and non experience i.e eternal death and sleep, I'm not stopping you, so have at it.. apparently that's really all I'm getting by your tone and messages [not a difficult or original concept to understand either]
@MrGravityDance I see what you're saying, I dig it. in my naive view, if I forget who I am and succumb to death, then I'm angry at life and being and the divine etc. and the whole idea of existence, cause I won't know the difference anyway. I'd prefer to gradually acquire enough sought experience to see it for the illusion it is, instead this back and forth game of hide and go seek by the soul or god or Bashar's race or whoever or whatever is the catalyst for all of this maze of merry go rounds
@MrGravityDance I say "acquire experience" however, one of things I'm realizing is enlightenment indicates lightening or reducing the useless burden in my life/ lighten the burden in the mental
@MrGravityDance I said it in my comment just prior, like get all the experiences I desire or need to see it for "illusion" or somehow separate to existence phenomenon that it is. however enlightenment more so indicates lightening [minimizing] in mental, not necessarily acquiring more.
basically, my takes, no experience would indicate a being not knowing the difference if they exist or not
I haven't read the book 'be here now' by ram dass and honestly see life as meaningless since it goes dead
@JNdigital I feel like we're both talking about the same damn thing, but something about the way you type is strange to me. Are you not a native english speaker?
I never said "don't experience" or anything. I'm just talking about experience vs existence.
and why would enlightenment only include minimizing the mental capacity, since we aren't even certain an "identity" of "you" exists to "have" this mental capacity.
@MrGravityDance I'm native english speaker, just tired of the zillions of words i've typed on youtube.
the meanings there in my words.
i guess u see existence as the field which experience takes place in... whereas existence is infinite and experience is not, more temporal. as in bodies that just rise and fall like waves in an ocean of illusion
enlightenment the word itself says. in lighten mental, as in lightening the burden not acquiring more. nonetheless they say gain enlightenment?
@MrGravityDance or maybe enlightenment just says in light in mental, like in light is the existence and in mental is the experience. and the you identity is a transient thing that fluctuates according to various factions
and yes, once we're clear on the meanings of what we're saying, it looks like we may be both talking about the same damn thing
@MrGravityDance yeah and you also said we don't need to experience forever which indicates death and the next wave of temporal souls dancing around in your place in illusion and so forth, weeeeeeeeeeeee
@JNdigital If I told you I have had that no-self experience, would you even believe me? What is the point of your asking, since all you desire is an answer, and answers are just answers...
did you? I'm not saying either of us is right or wrong because you just see the same thing I see differently than "me" (whatever that means).
I'm just gonna' end the conversation here... this is a waste of both of our times.
@MrGravityDance the point in me asking is cause you said it toward me not a claim about your own state of affairs, so i was asking as it included me as a proclamation your being said about my being. time is energy
watch?v=-DLSyU7y97M&feature=related
looks what Bashar describes in this attached links what I'm looking achieve without having to mo fo die and grow old and diseased and all that BULL shitTTT
@MrGravityDance "as within, so without". and "I am" losing trust of the outside and death and "others" and mad at life for sending me on a apparent one way ticket to old age and disease.. if this just goes on like this forever, this no knowing or questioning or wondering at some point I may decide to opt out forever if I could, if nature and death don't make me forget and start over and over again in pain and having to deal with love and emotion and relationships and wondering and struggles etc.
@MrGravityDance suppose, could say all one [everything] or al10ne [alone or nothing]. I am is the objective subjective dichotomy of the ocean and the droplet "where does one start and the other stop" metaphor
existence = excites dance
JNdigital 5 days ago
FRAUD!!
shimwah 2 months ago
@shimwah ?
bavwill 1 month ago
@shimwah ???
MissMaria1988 1 month ago
Wow... I'm not going to effect my environment any more than to say that this is rudimentary at best, and such as to confuse those seeking truth. Don't listen, its limited expansion within concepts of oneness and equality of all. Not all are one but are within one. Find the rhythm of you and you find complex signals that are not of you, yet they are of a you not lived within this "one" if you will.
Adirtybird 2 months ago
@Adirtybird UNIverse, singularity alone allOne, sole sol soul
JNdigital 5 days ago
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JNdigital 3 months ago
ive got a boner
HazHib 6 months ago
Um . . . that guy is a tool.
I don't care how 'smart' you may be, but to talk so condescending to someone just shows how much more growth you have left. Your journey is far from over.
Over . . . within our existence.
slydog349 7 months ago
YOU ARE A JOKE IN ORDER TO BE YOU MUST HAVE A START "NOT WITHIN EXISTENCE" WE ARE AN EQUATION ALL EQUATIONS START THUS TO BE MEANS SOMETHING STARTED THE BEGINNING. YOU R A PRICK "IN EXISTENCE" YOU LAUGH AT PEOPLE THAT DON'T GET UR VERSION OF CONCEPT BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO BASE TO SAY THAT TIME AND EXISTENCE HAVE JUST BEEN NO START NO FINNISH IT JUST IS ABSURD U R A SHMUCK "WITHIN THIS TIME" AND WHEN UR DAY IS OVER I HAVE A DOLLAR THAT SAYS U WILL PRAY TO THE GOD U DNT BELIEVE IS REAL JUST TO SAVE U
yellaonel 10 months ago
@yellaonel He's talking about God. Time is not the cause of god/existence. It is a function of it. This is in almost every bible/religion i've studied. The whole "I AM" philiosophy. Time is more the soil for our roots of memories to grow in. Broading awareness as they grow. Our perception is probably the result of some sort of mitosis process. A small singularity of god's soul. Constantly dividing the reality around itself based on the frequency of its choice. Creating space and time.
letmeseethat1 9 months ago
Whose artwork is that?
consciouswellnessnow 1 year ago
Does anyone recognize / know where the cool artwork comes from?
consciouswellnessnow 1 year ago
i CAN PICTURE NON-EXISTENSE it get into my head every night
bmanc2000 1 year ago
@bmanc2000
cuz you don't remember your dreams. without dreaming, you would die
Katara888Energy 11 months ago
@Katara888Energy that's not what i ment, i meant i can picture non-existence of.... well........ everything, however id do dream
bmanc2000 11 months ago
@bmanc2000
Now, you can't imagine nonexistence.
Katara888Energy 11 months ago
@Katara888Energy you don't understand! alright now picture the universe, ok, now picture it without galaxys, ok, now picture it without stars, there NOTHING
bmanc2000 11 months ago
@bmanc2000
Even nothing is something. nothing is NOT nonexistence. you CANNOT IMAGINE NONEXISTENCE :)
Katara888Energy 11 months ago
@Katara888Energy you still don't understand it's so hard to listen to someone who dosn't listen! alright i can picture "when the big bang never happened" its pretty simple just look at the above comment
bmanc2000 11 months ago
@bmanc2000
However, the big bang happened within existence. Existence is bigger than the 'big bang'.
Katara888Energy 11 months ago
@Katara888Energy ARIGHT THIS ENDS HERE. i can picture if there was still existence but not any galaxys or stars. HAPPY?!?! >:o
bmanc2000 11 months ago
@bmanc2000
Yes. Happy. Existence however prevails. muhahahhaa.
Katara888Energy 11 months ago
it did make alot of sense to me though. ever since age7 or 8 this BIG? already bothered me. In Buddhism sutra the term " non-beginning (wu-hse)" is often used wherever the "time" or "date" is mentioned, now I see why...
glad that i got this ever BIG? solved, and thank you for posting it, and again thanks Bashar, u the BEST!!
twiggie 1 year ago
it makes amazing sense as soon as it enter my ears...
jinkz221 1 year ago
basher is good, but what happened before we were born? that would be non-existance .. wouldnt it?
farerse 1 year ago
@farerse no bc you always existed. if you exist now. and you will always continue to exist.
mbozza 1 year ago
@mbozza but we all dont have any memory or feeling before we were born.. doesnt make sense
farerse 1 year ago
@farerse I guess you always existed, but you weren't created. So like when you combine h20 it makes water, but let's say h is not combined with 0 they are two seprate things, but when h20 is combined it makes water, just like cells make you. i think it's like that.
RToor34 1 year ago
@farerse Nonexistance is all things that dont happen but could have happened. nonexistance is in our existance but we cannot see it, we can think about it though. Why does bashar say there is NO existance when he does not know that as a fact? Why does bashar say within existance? If we are within there has to be a without.
mannyste 1 year ago
@farerse I am fully aware we can ONLY create a picture of nonexistance with props created within existance. There has to be a without.I can imagine nonexistance. It's very easy to be honest to think about nonexistance because we dont know what exists in our own existance. We dont know about nonexistance but nonexistance knows about us. Maybe something created existance by accident or a project or a work of art and is watching its progress as we think about what existance is.
mannyste 1 year ago
@mannyste are you sure existence really exists?
farerse 5 months ago
@farerse Yes because i am in it
mannyste 5 months ago
@mannyste non-existance probably doesn't exist.. it's just a "word" or "concept" we can say.
farerse 5 months ago
...there is no way back when except within existence, the idea is that time is subject to existence but existence is not subject to time..." Wow! Talk about profound! Bashar is a real heavy hitter.
Delisle4 1 year ago
There IS NO "WAY BACK WHEN"... I love this part!! I was thinking the exact same thing...
wenaolong 1 year ago
Every time I try to think of "non existence" I get a kick start into understanding "existence as such", which is partly a quality of my awareness OF that existence (not just that existence by itself), so my awareness of existence is PART OF existence and ramify the MEANING OF existence, and this is part of that "evolution of existence WITHIN itself...". Sigh.... humans.
wenaolong 1 year ago
You cannot imagine non-existence :)
Shortana 1 year ago
one of the best from Bashar..makes everything so clear 'I" can't miss the point. Love you all Eternaly.
laprop 1 year ago
exsistence was never created it has always exsisted
11wakeup11 1 year ago 2
@11wakeup11 makes absolutely no sense yet all the sense in the world/ our minds. even if existence is absolute void of nothingness there never could have been a beginning and then it was self aware and yet why the hell did it become material?
atheists assss ert after u die it's nothingness stark death, well if that's the case how come it didn't stay like that indefinitely forever and theists are just full threatening bullshit mostly
JNdigital 4 months ago
I would have asked what is that that IS All that has created existence?
morpheus1109 2 years ago
you know it does make sense cause i have thought about exitence before and you rely just cannot imagine nothing even to imagine nothing you need existance,and even if ther is nothing you need somthing for that nothing you see it just dosent work
highinthesky231 2 years ago 2
When I have felt the nothingness at a few points in my life. It was like a total body shock, sort of like dipping your toe in the water, but way more intense. Then the understanding leaves you, and you are just left with the awe of the experience.
skkaskey 2 years ago
All is great !
12astile 2 years ago
wow..before stumbling upon this video, i was looking at other bashar youtube clips and was wondering what "existence" means. Listening to this clip.. i can kinda understand it is what it is..... but I still don't have a clear definition of WHAT IS existence. In other video he quotes, " you exist because you deserve to be".....i dont understand... i want to understand tho... perhaps it's a lot to think about all in one night..hahaha =D thanks for sharing Bashar!
sunshyne83 2 years ago
@sunshyne83 existence can't be defined as a "thing" or substance. Existence is essentially the "I AM" spirit or consciousness that cannot be defined. Existence is the divine presence that is nothing, but contains everything.
doctorjay1976 1 year ago
thanks Bashar!
NoPainNoGain200 2 years ago
He's aggressive because many of the concepts he speaks of are very plain and simple in a sense, it's just that the human mind has conditioned itself to look at my concepts incorrectly, inaccurately, or inadequetly, and he has to strongly enforce the true nature of said concepts.
Ansiroth 2 years ago 19
@Ansiroth Bashar is very cool, he reminds me of L. Ron Hubbard.
6489532ab 1 year ago
yuck!
sarabuffalo1 1 year ago
@Ansiroth God, I must be half this guy's age, and I completely understand him. I must say these days, the mind has deteriorated for most Americans.
treesylph 4 months ago
conscious presence preseeds the material not the other way around
conscious presence = existence = experience
JNdigital 2 years ago 12
@JNdigital Yet again, Why?
D3w10n 8 months ago
@D3w10n because at the core of everything's nothing/ emptiness still. And in an infinite regression of cause and effect brings one back to nothingness [which could not have had a beginning or thus an ending], if this emptiness did not have intent/ awareness/ at least a semblance of presence, then everything would've remained unconscious unaware emptiness forever and no one/ know 1 would've ever known the difference. i.e if a true void of empty death everywhere was ever a state it would still be.
JNdigital 8 months ago
@JNdigital I like how you humans are always thinking you know what is going on :)
D3w10n 8 months ago
@D3w10n not necessarily always, otherwise we'd be static. HUM/ whom/ who =unknown/ dark & AN/ on/ sun =known/ light, so therefore HUM AN = dark & light; unknown & known
the atheist and theist each assume to know the unknowable, only on opposite sides of the spectrum.
one can also see how putting a light/ known on something/ also casts a shadow/ unknown at the same time
JNdigital 8 months ago
@D3w10n "There are those that look at things the way they are, and ask, 'Why?' I dream of things that never were, and ask 'Why not?'" Robert Francis Kennedy
JNdigital 8 months ago
@D3w10n Why not?
JNdigital 8 months ago
@JNdigital be careful with that... experience does NOT equal existence.
Existence is NOT subject to an "Experience," rather, the experience is subject to existence.
consciousness is the WAY TO the Father (absolute). There comes a time where experience no longer helps... as in the "idea" of "separation" is COMPLETELY dissolved, but one does not need to be alive or experiencing things in life to exist.
just my take.
MrGravityDance 4 months ago
@JNdigital if you listen to gurus, they all say that a place BEYOND experience is where Truth lies. At a place BEYOND the "self"
"Beyond that which is beyond the beyond's beyond, and then beyond that"
MrGravityDance 4 months ago
@MrGravityDance I put those in order on purpose, as in awareness [in various realms or dimensions, so to speak]or a wake gives way to existence [birth], which then gives way to experience/ experiment.
when some gurus, etc. describe a place beyond existence or experience, they could be pointing at pure awareness or being, however if it goes any further it looks like it would be absence or death to me/ non being/ non existence
JNdigital 4 months ago
@MrGravityDance the word LIfE and Die has the word lie. the center is also the flatline on a heartbeat, the right and the left are aberrations of the center
JNdigital 4 months ago
@JNdigital I don't see lie in die.
Also, since that is the center, why would we need to maintain an ETERNAL ILLUSION keeping us from our center, centered itself in EXPERIENCE?
MrGravityDance 4 months ago
@MrGravityDance this should help you see it, Die and Lie [it's kind of hidden]
another way to look at is through breathing.. there's in breath, then pause/ silence, out breath, then pause/ silence [or center]. the truth is wherever you are, if realities infinite in all directions, you're always in the center, so the illusion is there's such thing as a right and left concept. I say once reaching immortality then the illusion of death and birth both cease. ultimate "divine" always was/is/will be
JNdigital 4 months ago
@JNdigital all that I've heard so far is "everything is illusion, the true nature of WHO YOU ARE is always going to be masked by experience, which is existence itself. You are always this flowing center that is never truly who you are"
but this makes me wonder... so if the experience is the lie and we are always this center, shouldn't dissolving the experience be what we should be after?
by the way, how is your immortality-reaching going?
MrGravityDance 4 months ago
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JNdigital 4 months ago
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JNdigital 4 months ago
@MrGravityDance confusing, you've lost me.. and apparently are hearing whatever you tell yourself, which I don't necessarily agree with or follow totally.
Okay.
At any rate, I guess you might not get this message anyway, since your channels no longer available for some reason [another one bites the dust].
JNdigital 4 months ago
@MrGravityDance if you seek non existence and non experience i.e eternal death and sleep, I'm not stopping you, so have at it.. apparently that's really all I'm getting by your tone and messages [not a difficult or original concept to understand either]
JNdigital 4 months ago
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JNdigital 4 months ago
@MrGravityDance if all being becomes is non-existence then it seems like an asinine joke to exist in the first place, to me
JNdigital 4 months ago
@JNdigital There IS no non-existence is my point... all I'm trying to say is that experience is not necessary for eternity.
existence is different from experience. existence is the grandest "idea" of them all, experience is a concept WITHIN it.
We don't need experience forever, just like we don't need time/space forever. They're just aspects o the game WITHIN existence
MrGravityDance 4 months ago
@MrGravityDance I see what you're saying, I dig it. in my naive view, if I forget who I am and succumb to death, then I'm angry at life and being and the divine etc. and the whole idea of existence, cause I won't know the difference anyway. I'd prefer to gradually acquire enough sought experience to see it for the illusion it is, instead this back and forth game of hide and go seek by the soul or god or Bashar's race or whoever or whatever is the catalyst for all of this maze of merry go rounds
JNdigital 4 months ago
@MrGravityDance I say "acquire experience" however, one of things I'm realizing is enlightenment indicates lightening or reducing the useless burden in my life/ lighten the burden in the mental
JNdigital 4 months ago
@JNdigital When the hell did you say that? hahaha
And what exactly is your take on existence = experience cuz we have not gotten anywhere in regard to that...
Have you read "Be Here Now" by Ram Dass?
MrGravityDance 4 months ago
@MrGravityDance I said it in my comment just prior, like get all the experiences I desire or need to see it for "illusion" or somehow separate to existence phenomenon that it is. however enlightenment more so indicates lightening [minimizing] in mental, not necessarily acquiring more.
basically, my takes, no experience would indicate a being not knowing the difference if they exist or not
I haven't read the book 'be here now' by ram dass and honestly see life as meaningless since it goes dead
JNdigital 4 months ago
@JNdigital I feel like we're both talking about the same damn thing, but something about the way you type is strange to me. Are you not a native english speaker?
I never said "don't experience" or anything. I'm just talking about experience vs existence.
and why would enlightenment only include minimizing the mental capacity, since we aren't even certain an "identity" of "you" exists to "have" this mental capacity.
mental is mental
consciousness is consciousness.
there is no you, though.
MrGravityDance 4 months ago
@MrGravityDance I'm native english speaker, just tired of the zillions of words i've typed on youtube.
the meanings there in my words.
i guess u see existence as the field which experience takes place in... whereas existence is infinite and experience is not, more temporal. as in bodies that just rise and fall like waves in an ocean of illusion
enlightenment the word itself says. in lighten mental, as in lightening the burden not acquiring more. nonetheless they say gain enlightenment?
no u?
JNdigital 4 months ago
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@MrGravityDance or maybe enlightenment just says in light in mental, like in light is the existence and in mental is the experience. and the you identity is a transient thing that fluctuates according to various factions
and yes, once we're clear on the meanings of what we're saying, it looks like we may be both talking about the same damn thing
JNdigital 4 months ago
@MrGravityDance imagination or being [the field of existence/ in light] may yet pre seed experiences [in mental] or non experiences
JNdigital 4 months ago
@JNdigital gah?
McmullenEJ 3 months ago
@McmullenEJ some of that was an expression of frustration.
JNdigital 2 months ago
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JNdigital 4 months ago
@MrGravityDance yeah and you also said we don't need to experience forever which indicates death and the next wave of temporal souls dancing around in your place in illusion and so forth, weeeeeeeeeeeee
JNdigital 4 months ago
@MrGravityDance did u go to the great gig in the sky i.e the great beyond beyond and then beyond that too
JNdigital 4 months ago
@JNdigital If I told you I have had that no-self experience, would you even believe me? What is the point of your asking, since all you desire is an answer, and answers are just answers...
did you? I'm not saying either of us is right or wrong because you just see the same thing I see differently than "me" (whatever that means).
I'm just gonna' end the conversation here... this is a waste of both of our times.
MrGravityDance 4 months ago
@MrGravityDance the point in me asking is cause you said it toward me not a claim about your own state of affairs, so i was asking as it included me as a proclamation your being said about my being. time is energy
watch?v=-DLSyU7y97M&feature=related
looks what Bashar describes in this attached links what I'm looking achieve without having to mo fo die and grow old and diseased and all that BULL shitTTT
JNdigital 4 months ago
@JNdigital there is no YOUR being and MY being.
I thought we were one?
now we're two?
MrGravityDance 4 months ago
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JNdigital 4 months ago
@JNdigital so why work on "you" if we're "one?"
MrGravityDance 4 months ago
@MrGravityDance "as within, so without". and "I am" losing trust of the outside and death and "others" and mad at life for sending me on a apparent one way ticket to old age and disease.. if this just goes on like this forever, this no knowing or questioning or wondering at some point I may decide to opt out forever if I could, if nature and death don't make me forget and start over and over again in pain and having to deal with love and emotion and relationships and wondering and struggles etc.
JNdigital 4 months ago
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JNdigital 4 months ago
@MrGravityDance as inner trust improves, the external environmental frequency may tune to such
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@MrGravityDance suppose, could say all one [everything] or al10ne [alone or nothing]. I am is the objective subjective dichotomy of the ocean and the droplet "where does one start and the other stop" metaphor
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JNdigital 4 months ago
Interesting. Great concepts, but he is a bit aggressive. Its like if he talks louder they will understand better.
seageek 2 years ago 3
i understand what you say, but the essassani very are very 4ward, and passionate about truth.
thespectra 2 years ago 3
Thank you! I can be sensitive to certain energies and tones, so perhaps I'll do better if I learn the information through a different route.
seageek 2 years ago
Abraham is great
sarabuffalo1 2 years ago