Right wing people are so dumb. I'm a proud liberal and I have numerous guns. No one is trying to take your right to bare arms right. We just need regulations on it so that guns don't end up in the wrong hands stupid.
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They represent gun owners and gun shows as racist, redneck, extremist people/conventions. Every gun show I've ever been to has been full of nice, people, sometimes famiilies, just trying to sell guns. Lots of people who aren't even redneck or even white, including myself. It's very cut and dry. These people are paranoid crazies who attend gun shows and are gun owners. Gun owners are very diverse. There is a hundred million of us you know.lol Implying 1/3 of the U.S. population are these guys?
@scoutsouljademoman They only FOCUSED on the Nazi stuff. I have been to many shows and militaria of ANY kind is very popular but WWII is *probably* the most, in my experience. There is normally loads of American stuff also but THAT wouldn't make their "dangerous gun nut" story nearly as effective. There is also an obvious additional "trophy value" to possessing weapons and accoutrements of a vanquished enemy.
@maxfirepower I can understand wanting to preserve history and what have you but that stuff looks like cheap remakes. Why would anyone want to even own SS helmets and that kind of stuff if it's not authentic
@scoutsouljademoman *Assuming* that your analysis of the image is even correct, I guess you could also ask why do people want cheap remakes of Samurai katanas or a brown-bess muskets? I dunno, I don't buy any of that junk.
Probably as a decoration, lets say you make model tanks from WW2, and decide to display them in a model room or something.
I for one collect a lot of books and decorate my library with WALLPAPER downloaded images I print out. Some are sci fi artwork others are hot chicks from sci fi or action movies.
@fsdffdg I *think* that many of the people vigorously opposed to guns attribute *their* motives to others and therefore don't trust others to be armed. Rather like a guy who spends an inordinate amount of time complaining about gays; you have to wonder, "Why is that?"
@maxfirepower Well of course they had guns. What did you expect at a gun show, Flower power T-shirts? Guns are not bad, Some people are bad. You could kill someone with a hammer, Do you want to restrict hammers? If you take away guns from law abiding people like myself then only people who break the law will have guns. Someone who will break the law, such as to rob, and murder people will have no trouble with breaking gun laws too. You don't really think you can take ALL the guns away, Do you ?
@marauderroy Whoa! Where did you get all of that? I don't intend to restrict anything. I am not offended by weapons of any kind. -ONLY responding to what was "shocking" to the bed-wetters who made the video. Everyone's hammers, guns, etc. are safe from me. Please note the handle: Max Firepower.
@tostedcheeseman Okay, I guess I'll have to explain this for you too. This was meant to be *facetious sarcasm* in response to the question "What was shocking...?" Well, the bed-wetters making the VIDEO were SHOCKED at the guns. Do you get it yet? Please note my handle too and guess what MY position on weapons might be. Sarcasm evidently doesn't play well here. Apologies.
fuck that this is our rights, i mean im native american and my people have guns we do not trust those fancy liars and tricksters in washington with thier fake jew friends in aipac
The focus of this documentary is unclear. If it was to show how guns are bad, it failed. I didn't see any clear argument against guns. If it was to showcase a few eccentrics,eh, maybe it succeeded a little, but eccentrics are everywhere and not all of them are gun owners. Then, it shifted to Naziism, and I'm not quite sure what the purpose of that was, besides a little historical lesson. Were you trying to equate Nazi Germany with conservative America? You need to be more clear. Thumbs down.
I think the point was to show the availability of guns to these "few eccentrics". Which, by the way, is a very mild way of putting it. When people talk about "fema camps", armed "revolution" and Obama building a separate military, that hardly counts as eccentricity; craziness is more like it.
@PigCapitalist Yes, guns are available, but not without a federal background check and LOTS of paperwork. If guns get into the hands of the wrong people, is that my fault, or any other law-abiding citizen's? Cars get into the hands of the wrong people too - alcoholics, and they are just as deadly. Anyone who speaks of revolution is nuts. The state militia, military and law enforcement are too powerful for any such thing to survive; and thank God for that. Most gun owners are good citizens.
"Yes, guns are available, but not without a federal background check and LOTS of paperwork."
This is not always the case. If the gun is sold at a "gun show", which is what the above is, there's no enforcement of the background check or paper work. The reason for this is that the sale can be written off as a "personal sale". So, it is very easy for a mentally unstable individual to acquire a gun.
"...is that my fault, or any other law-abiding citizen's?"
Obviously there's no way the blame can be placed on you or other gun owners, but there is a level of responsibility to be shared if there is opposition on stricter gun laws from current gun owners. Primarily because it has been shown that, as the law stands, it is very easy for someone who shouldn't have a firearm to acquire one. (See first post).
@ClarkKasheta I agree with u man :D and unfortunatly the bad gun owners in California dont listen to the anti-gun laws that restrict mag cap, mag release etc... :c
The guy at 0:48 to me is great example of a typical gun rights activist who doesn't understand liberty. "if they take away our guns they will take away everything else." LOL! They already have taken away everything else. Think property tax, driver's license, marriage license, fiat currency they inflate at will, income tax, death tax, sales tax, CPS, public schools indoctrinating our children, among other things. The issue is not just guns, it is liberty! Wake up people!
@jkmcdani I think he means that, without our guns, the government can do anything they want without opposition. The 2nd ammendment really just insures the ppl honestly have the power, not the government. Aren't the Democrats trying to raise taxes? At my old job we were paid less becuase the new Democratic governor issued a larger tax on the business profit :c
If your boss pays you whilst still making a profit that means he's not paying you the full amount of your labor. So, it wasn't that the tax lowered your pay, but that your boss still wanted to continue not paying you the full amount of capital your labor produces, i.e. profit from your labor.
"The 2nd ammendment really just insures the ppl honestly have the power..."
This pre-supposes that militias can go toe to toe against the U.S. military, which is nothing but a fantasy.
@PigCapitalist if iraqi insurgents can do it then the united states people could not toe to toe by a long shot but ied the fuck our of them and they will feel the hurt also hunting rifles would make great marksman weapons on par with an svd full autos would probably be sold here to the factions or they would be smuggles in and since they take the same ammo and parts as the semi autos we would have plenty to keep them working and shooting
Iraqi insurgents don't do it. Yes, they take out soldiers every now and then, but if you compare the amount of losses on their side, you would hardly call that "doing it".
"would probably be sold here to the factions or they would be smuggles in"
You seem to think that the Govt. would allow you to use their economy/currency whilst you're engaging in an uprising against it. Have you heard of Cuba? Have you heard of an "Embargo"?
@PigCapitalist Well, I think the militias/civilians in Vietnam, the Middle East, and some parts of Korea did pretty well against the US military. Apparantly, being a "civy" is a large advantage. Whenever the US military has a hard time distinguishing between innocent civy and threat civy, the military gives up. (not nessesarily loses, but gives up) I know first hand how strict the laws of engagement are, and i'm sure those laws would be stricter against our own country.
I'm sorry did you miss what happened in Vietnam? We bombed villages and napalmed children. Also, the Viet-cong had a formal army, not civilians with weapons. The same applies to Korea. As for the middle east, insurgents don't hold a candle to the U.S. military. Like I told another user, yes, they take out soldiers every now and then, but Iraqi's have lost many more "insurgents" than the U.S. has lost soldiers.
As for your last claim, this has been shown to be false many times over. Yes, rules of engagement are strict, but it doesn't matter one bit to the military. The most recent example of this is the Wikileaks release of soldiers firing on reporters and civilians they took to be "insurgents". Also, your idea ignores the fact that the U.S. also uses private companies for combat operations which have no rules of engagement (See "Nisoor Square" incident)
@PigCapitalist I think it must work both ways, becuase there have been sooo many times when our commanding officer would have authority to fire, then would ask upper command, and they would not let him. I never fired a shot at someone who didn't have an AK-47/74 in their arms. However I noticed several "reckless" contractors that did not have such rules as you said, there were very few however, and most simply helped supply us, and usually the armed ones are looking for "dead or alive" rewards
I think you're making a mistake in using personal experience as a starting point for an over-all idea ("I think it must work both ways"). History has shown that private-contractors have no rules of engagement, as an Xe representative said to a survivor of Nisoor Square, "We do not apologize". This means that any ideas of guns maintaining power "with the people", as you suggested, are false. The government always has the power, regardless of how many guns individuals have.
@PigCapitalist Okay man I guess we gotta have to agree to disagree on this one then man. I respect what you have to say and thank you for the info man.
With respect, if I agree to disagree I'd be accepting that our views are equal in value. I don't think this is right, since I've corrected your misunderstandings with evidence and reason and have not received the same in return. I'm not asking to draw this out any longer, nor am I asking for something more from you (I'm fine with ending it here), but I'm not about agree to disagree.
@PigCapitalist Uhh.... okay.... Well I mostly just don't want to argue over the internet for a long time lol we both have better things to do. However... isn't your opinions higher value in... your opinion? You believe you corrected me. However, in my opinion i feel the fact that i've been there may prove a somewhat respectable point. but in your opinion, its not. I didn't call it a "draw" i meant we have to leave the conversation with the same ideas we began it with is all. Neither is changed
@pel556 hey im with you but im native american fucking fake jew motherfucking parasites, i am with you man we need to unite man im native and i know our people fought bfore but you know what lets put that behind us and focus on these aipac going zionist terrorist and liars like barry soetoro
Hitler, when he came into power in Germany, started confiscating all guns in order to illegally imposed his anti-democratic laws on an unarmed German population. Fight the Evil Obama and his Evil Obama Administration!
I wonder why this ginger focused on the Nazi memorabilia? The Japanese were far worse than the Nazis ever were. At Nanking, hardcore Nazi Party members complained to Berlin about how barbaric and inhumane the Japanese were. At least the Germans dealt with their past and apologized for their WWII behavior. The Japanese have yet to apologize or make reparations to their millions upon millions of civilian victims of WWII.
He's using the "guilt by association" tactic, most gun shows have 1 or 2 guys selling Nazi memorabilia, probably FED's, most people just ignore them, I have a feeling if you hung-out and showed too much interest you'd get your picture taken and a file started.
Your point about WW-II prison camps is statistically correct; it's depressing but I think most American's learned history from Hollywood movies.
I think the whole story about the "FEMA camps" is BS because the government is controlled by coporations and those coporations would collapse if there is no one to buy their products. Remember Germany basically lost the war due to running out of money and resources.
LOL "extremist". Please. The people in this video know what is going on and is preparing and protecting themselves by arming themselves. Bravo to the people in the video.
There is Nazi memorabilia at Gun shows that happens at almost every gun show. There happens to be plenty of Nazi junk to go around and some of it is fake so watch out. If anyone is trying to imply that they are bigots for selling and buying WWII memorabilia this is false its been done for years collectors value. i never see anyone complain about jap stuff... and trust me they where quiet nasty back in the day perhaps as bad if not worse than the nazi's.
@wanderingmissy wrong many people collect Nazi memorabilia its funny you don't complain about Jap WWII memorabilia do you? i can tell you for a fact that the Jap and Soviet stuff is in ample supply and sells pretty well at gun shows. people collect these things because they are a piece of history what would you do throw it all in an incinerator? half the shit you see at gun-shows isn't gun related they sell memorabilia, knives books gear whatnot. good place to buy first aid kits too.
@wanderingmissy some of the stuff can sell for really high prices. My grand farther gave me a sword that he got off an officer in WW2 I sold it for $20,000. these things are apart of history and as repugnant as I find them if we do not remember the more gruesome details of history they will repeat themselves, so I read every dam thing I can find on that period.
I bought some Nazi memorabilia and im mexican ( Helmet, SS officer dagger, Hitler youth knife). I also bought a dreidel that was found in the warsaw ghetto I'm going to make a little In memory of thing with it.
@Embrigh Because he isn't a fucking Nazi you moron!
"OH LOOK! WIKIPEDIA HAS AN ENTRY ON THE NAZIS! IT'S THE NEW UPRISING!"
People who like guns tend to appreciate military history. Pictures of concentration camps should be preserved and shown to every single person alive so that we don't forget those who lost their lives to tyranny. Memories of such people should be a lesson to everyone, a barrier against tyranny penetrating western civilisation once more.
@ihaterobbie123 I never said he was a Nazi, but he was selling Nazi paraphernalia. A banana stand sells bananas, but it doesn't necessarily make the clerk a farmer. I'm also glad that you people need horrific pictures to show you what is wrong instead of a little common sense. Do you also have pictures of child rape on your wall to remind you that it is wrong?
@Embrigh "he was selling Nazi paraphernalia" "How the hell did that guy not get the shit kicked out of him by war vets?!"
So let me get this straight. Selling vintage Nazi articles SHOULD evoke some sort of violent outburst in those who fought the Nazis 65 years ago? So it stands to reason that the sale of AK47s should evoke a violent outburst in those fighting the Taliban to this day...interesting.
Tell me, what part of appreciation for history confuses you?
@ihaterobbie123 I thought the hyperbole was sufficiently obvious, but perhaps not for you. Regardless you still fail to address my argument of Holocaust pictures and instead give me some nonsense non sequitur about Kalashnikovs.
@Embrigh OK, so selling holocaust pictures is the problem is it? That should evoke rage in army vets?
"Get it all on record now, get the films, get the witnesses, because somewhere down the track of history some bastard will get up and say that this never happened."
- General Dwight D. Eisenhower
"I'm also glad that you people need horrific pictures to show you what is wrong instead of a little common sense"
Well I guess the Nazis didn't have common sense then. Bravo! Fine argument fuckwit!
@ihaterobbie123 The people in the weimar republic were under not only duress but a special type of authoritative culture. In that country, Hitler was able to garner control of the state by using psychological tactics of fear and racism that are still used and widespread to this day, i.e. Jews/Mexicans/Arabs/Blacks are the cause of the current terrible conditions. Common sense would have helped them a great deal. Also google the world "define:hyperbole".
@Embrigh I know you weren't being literal, but I see no rational cause for which to use it. I'm guessing the basis of that reasoning is that we don't NEED the pictures. Well, sorry, we do. We don't need them to remind us of morality, we don't take pleasure in their existence, we need them to preserve history.
Your objection to their sale is something I'm really having a tough time figuring out. The soldiers that served in those wars don't want their efforts wasted or their sacrifice forgotten.
@ihaterobbie123 There's a difference between having them in a museum and having them on your bedroom nightstand. My objection is the subtle hypocricy behind it. Israel definitely wants the entire world to remember the holocaust forever, While I have no objection to this, but their cause isn't one of justice. "Never again". Perhaps, but only for Jews. Rwanda, Darfur, Sudan, Cambodia, East TImor, Iraq Kurds, etc. The world remembers, but doesn't care.
@Embrigh Yes genocide still happens, but not in countries that heed the warnings of the past.
I don't see this supposed hypocrisy either, must be pretty damn subtle.
Look, here's the bare-bone facts of this situation. There's someone behind a stall selling WWII memorabilia at a gun show...so fucking what? He's free to, the axis fucking lost, we can do whatever we damn well want to with their stuff.
This isn't a discussion worth having, you just don't fucking get it do you?
@ihaterobbie123 Bare bone facts? Alright, a person is selling memorabilia (not artifacts) of Nazi Germany. He's free to do so, I agree. Along with that is a white power flag. This isn't for history, this is prejudice, ignorant, and racist paranoia. Again, he has the freedom to do so, but that shouldn't mean we should stand for it. The only part i will admit is that a youtube comment argument is about as useful as using a 1.5 gallon brita filter to purify the pacific ocean.
@Embrigh It's confirmed, I'm talking to a brick wall.
Yeah, whatever, he's a racist for selling pictures of Jews and POWs being abused. He's a racist for selling vintage photographs of political figures, he doesn't appreciate their intrinsic value he's just spreading hate. He's also somehow paranoid racially even though the pictures condemn the actions of people who share his ethnicity, the hell with facts though, it's all RACIST!
Freedom means you have to stand for it, respect his rights.
@ihaterobbie123 He may be a racist because he has a white power flag. It's clear you have no capacity to think or understand ideas and rather mindlessly babble forth with typical ignorance. Good day.
@ihaterobbie123 The lightning bolt symbol used by the SS is very commonly used by skinheads as tattoos. Also, thanks for all the ad hominem ;) it really contributed to your rationalization.
@Embrigh So if skinheads started using the peace sign as tattoos then the peace sign would become racist? The Nazis used the swastika, that became a racist symbol, except it didn't really.
The reason skinheads like it is because skinheads like the Nazis. My guess is that guy is at the very least interested in them. Doesn't mean he's a neo-fascist.
@ihaterobbie123 The peace sign may actually then represent something other than peace. The cross had many pagan meanings until the Christians began to use it. Also, "good babble sir" isn't an ad hominem attack, that is true, but "fuckwit" "moron" "brick wall" are.
@Embrigh So does he have to be a racist to sell something that racists happen to use? No. The meaning he's given the SS flag is nothing more than an emblem of a Nazi army division. It doesn't matter what meaning other people give to it.
And no, they're not ad hominem attacks, they're insults. An ad hominem attack is when you base your criticism on the credentials of the person making the argument.
"You're wrong because you're an idiot"- Ad hominem.
@ihaterobbie123 Ad hominems don't add value to an argument and are defamatory. Some words like "fuckwit" aren't words but rather vague slang. Your utter failure to understand my position coupled with an impressively dense attitude reinforces your ignorance. I already addressed your points yet you still insist on defending them.
@Embrigh They are not ad hominems, didn't you read my post? I agree, they don't add value to a point, that's why I don't make them. All I did was insult you, because you deserve it.
You have a problem with people selling collector items which happen to be from a society which committed innumerable atrocities.
The swords issued to Japanese WW2 troops are collectable and, worse yet, were probably used to kill unarmed Chinese civilians for racial reasons. Is collecting/selling those immoral?
@ihaterobbie123 Now that we've established that you don't know what an ad hominem is let's move on.
There are items that are controversially traded and sold as they are considered collectibles. These range from the items that seller in the video had to things such as native american skulls and so forth. I don't agree with your initial reasoning that ownership implies a safeguard against such things. If it is for the sake of history a museum will do a better job.
@Embrigh "Now that we've established that you don't know what an ad hominem is let's move on."
Oh sorry, I only have a high school certificate in philosophy which includes a logic course and I'm doing biology BSc with philosophy at university. You fucked with someone who knows his stuff and now you have nothing to respond with so you falsely assert your victory without evidence.
Ownership has intrinsic value irrespective of political motivation. Until you understand that you're unreasonable.
@ihaterobbie123 Oh snap bro, I totally didn't you were a college educated individual and thus have the credentials to ignore and strawman anything you want. To my understanding you said that pics of the concentration camps should be kept alive to prevent against it happening again. I asked if the same could be said about child pornography, or really anything else that is that terrible, would be allowed as well so we can prevent it too.
@Embrigh Well child pornography is illegal and photos of torture, mutilation, death, and suffering are not. Child pornography is kept where it needs to be, in an evidence database to lock up criminals. The war photos have already served their initial purpose, now collecting the originals is like collecting anything. I could download a photo of the Mona Lisa but if I was interested in art owning the original is more desirable.
I dont think anyone in there right mind would fuck with american citizens, everyone is straped to the teeth (mostly) we'd be a force to be recond with.
Guns are safe. It is argued that Commercial flights are safe because of the number of flights versus the number of commercial aviation accidents. If one takes the number of guns versus the number of "rogue" shootings then, it lends to reason, that guns are even SAFER. Liberals take one incident and try to apply it universally, they try to make us "our brother's keeper." Phucque them! The elite fear guns because they know they have wronged us to the point of... "you fill in the blanks."
You bleeding heart liberals are sheep. I question your mental capacity and your ability to learn from examples. First disarm the populous then do with them what you will. All through history this has happened. This will not happen here as my fellow Americans will defend he from within...
ever thing was great about the video, until nazi pictures, are u fuckn serious, you red neck backward smelly cocksucker, i hope u shoot each other, you losers
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Lets read this right because its frightening and exciting: 100 million Americans (many of which are mentally unstable and paranoid, have been given the right by their imaginary friend in the sky to carry with them the means to exterminate the their fellow countrymen, (many of which they openly hate anyway). I could make some money by betting that America is going to decrease in population quite soon. lol
This is like a "shocking" tour of a slaughterhouse being shown to people who never bothered to think about where their meat comes from. NEWS FLASH: the American system of government -a free and open society - is underwritten by the right of the people to keep and bear arms. Yes, it's about using force to preserve essential human liberties, as the last line of defense. Be very, very suspicious of anyone - especially a politician or public speaker - who does not accept and understand this.
@danthompson1m Interesting how the kneejerkers are always harping about how guns are meant to kill people, yet they care nothing about how in the right hands (not the police) they are legitimized to prevent mass genocide, and preserve liberty.
See....when someone kills someone just to kill....thats murder. Always has been. But when an individual or a people fight to the death to defend themselves from falling under the rule of an individual, or ideology which dissolves liberty, and subjugates them to a lifetime of slavery, in which there is no free thought, or act......the act of killing becomes justified.
The authors of our constitution understood that, and it still applies to this day.... regardless of race, creed, or orientation.
@TFfan75 With all due respect....the constitutional aspect of gun ownership has nothing to do with hunting, or target shooting, or for that matter even self defense. It has everything to do with being the last check and balance against a tyrannical government, whether it be ours or another. As for legalized narcotics, if you take the market out of the black market, you have no more cartel or pusher, and crime as a whole drops. The war on drugs should have been ended long ago. It's done nothing.
@TFfan75 People will get firearms legally or illegally, it doesn't matter how much control you put on them, it's not going to stop it. The only thing gun control will do is make it harder for law abiding citizens to arm themselves.
@TFfan75 Evil circle or not, putting bans/regulations on firearms is only going to hinder those responsible enough to own them. So then what happens when they -need- them, and don't have them or cannot get them? Violent people kill people, the gun just makes the death cleaner. The firearm in and of itself is a tool and nothing more. And it's never wrong to have a .308 caliber rifle and not need it over needing it, but only wishing you had it. :P
@WarDog762 Thats paranoia talking..If responsible people can get a hold of weapons, it just makes it that more easy for a criminal to get a hold of one, and we need to make it as hard as possible for wacko`s to arm them selfs. If you ever get to a point where you need a gun to defend youself its not gonna be a shoot out in your home or on the street, Your gonna have a gun to your head and not even think about that 308 of yours. Your gonna be shiting your pants and hope to god you`ll live threw.
@TFfan75 Kind of a flawed argument. First, it's easy to get a firearm illegally, and there's nothing you can do about it, so how are you making it any harder for criminals? You're not, you're just disarming responsible people. And second, regarding a situation in which you would need a firearm, you only named a single, limited situation and claimed that it was the only probable thing that could happen. BS, you never know what might happen in the future, and you can't rely on the government.
@TFfan75 Forgive me, for a moment I was under the impression I was conversing with an adult, with a functioning brain. Didn't realize you were so simple minded.
If the government disagrees with me....news flash...thats fine. I have issues with both the right and left. Its when the government (whether ours or another) for whatever reason deems you, or your neighbor no longer worthy of the right to live, that the handgun, or scoped rifle, or semi-auto rifle becomes the last hope for freedom.
@txngasnguns Now that analogy, you know.....where the citizens arm themselves in order to prevent their own extermination....thats NEVER happened before has it? HMMM????? I mean a government would NEVER do that! Im sure many wonderful people in China, NAZI Germany, or for that matter the U.S.S.R. under Stalin trusted their own government right up to the point where a bullet they paid for with their tax dollars was planted in their own head. If you allow history to repeat itself..........it will.
Where are all the extremists in this video? I only saw a bunch of Americans exercising their constitutional rights and a few selling some historical war memorabilia.
@bigfatAMERCANbastard well the sniper in the back pack can be used when ppl who hate all that is freedom and america (china, russia, north korea, our own government, etc) invade and we need to find a strategic sniping point that is on the other side of enemy terratory.
if you have natzi flags shave ur head and talk about socialism .what do you think people will think about you at gun shows...they will think please don't sell that s o b that gun he's nuts..i am what people call leberal . but i have been hunting since i was 12 thats when i got my first shot gun..and there is nothing wrong in owning guns .but there is something wrong acting like ur nuts and haveing guns
Same old whites. They will never change! This is the face of the new republicans, the tea party what a joke. As you can see the republicans are a threat to national security. The KKK has taken them over. Right or just the good old reich. You people make me sick. Your the worst of americans. Don't worry hitler, these morons will soon be with you in hell were they belong.
@thatjimguy Anyone has a right to sell whatever they wish as long as it is legal. Now....aside from that...what you choose to sell may not earn you any respect. Also...see my post to crocfme.
@rakkipallo According to Sigmund Freud....its the other way around.
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity".
The reason these people need guns, is the same reason people on "your side of the isle" need them (and own them), to protect against the government overstepping its bounds, as well as to act as this nations last line of defense in the event of a foreign invasion.
Don't think liberals own firearms? I know MANY who own the same guns featured in this vid.
I support gun ownership; own a couple of rifles myself, but the Nazi flags and Nazi memorabilia?! Isn't that a bit disrespectful of the brave Americans who gave their lives fighting against the Nazis?
The Nazis had one or two good points, and one or two thousand bad ones. They should not be commemorated or honoured in any way. (Try walking around in Germany displaying a swastika or SS insigia - you'd get bashed.)
@crocfme Ive actually met an ME-109 pilot once at a Dallas Gun and Militaria show. Very interesting conversation. Funny how he was sharing an endcap with a former B-17 pilot.
In my opinion Nazi memorabilia is ok as long as it is actual Nazi memorabilia, and represents some form of historic value. If thats the case, its just as legit as Soviet memorabilia. Once you deviate from historic value, you deviate from legitimacy, and at that point.....display or sell at your own risk.
Yes, I see your point about genuine historical artifacts. Cheap mass-produced Swastikas are another thing of course. My wife's father was an AA gunner in Germany during the war - a good man; had great respect for him. My Grandfather was shot down KIA in a Whitley bomber over Germany in late '41. How's that for irony?!
Be aware tho, that the sale of these type of items was one of the issues exploited by the anti-gun lobby responsible for bringing in Australia's repressive gun laws
@crocfme The problem with the anti-gun extremists using the Nazi imagery to associate with gun owners in the U.S. is it is so woefully associated with the actual demographic of american gun owners that the american people as a whole will not relate, and will reject it. True you may get a few idiots on the left who think this is the case, but that analogy in itself would greatly piss off the gun owners on the left (which there are WAY more than the media make out).
I also agree with you about the cheap manufactured garbage. I wouldn't mind owning an actual Nazi flag (that actually flew in WWII) just as a collectible. But the kind of crap that guy is pedaling isn't worth a second look. This is predictable. I remember all the really badass stuff that showed up at gunshows after the fall of the USSR, and all the phony, cheap, lookalikes that followed within a couple years. I have red army captains uniform somewhere, and a REAL cadets cap.
I find it funny that they were selling Nazi memorabilia here. They do know that Nazis are Socialists, right? Meet the uneducated right wing extremists of America.
The 2nd amendment doesnt FLEX, the well regulated militia(army,etc) ARE NECESSARY and doesnt mean 'civilians', BUT then there's a COMMA, THEN pt.2 THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED! It was written LIKE THAT ON PURPOSE as they were 2 years into a revolution AGAINST AN ARMY that reigned over the U.S. and they foresaw a need that it MIGHT HAPPEN AGAIN, not that it will, but IF IT DID, that the PEOPLE, just as in the revolution, would be comprising the security/NEW MILITIA as back then!
@JosephusBlowesus its liberal idiots that I hate like you that assume I'm Christian. Liberals are the most hating fucking group I have ever seen . They have no idea what tolerance is. fuck them and fuck you.
You don't hear the all the questions the interviewers are asking to get the response they are showing. You can find crazier people at a football game.
when they come for your guns all you have to do is give them over lead first and then when thy pry your cold dead hands from around them. hell i would give them all of mine but sorry to say they were lost in a tragic boating accident to the bottom of a lake. i belive just as congressman alan west said it is time for ALL AMERICANS TO TAKE UP YOUR GUNS AND TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK.
Morons. The US constitution gave people the right to own muskets and muzzleloaders. NOT handguns and automatic rifles.
Guns are immature. Only men with tiny tiny dicks are "into" guns. Lame people.
AmericansAnnoyMe 1 month ago
@AmericansAnnoyMe plenty of women are into firearms as well.
BAGboy0032 2 weeks ago
God bless MB ! lol. Stupid Tea Baggers !
Atlantaboy612 1 month ago
Right wing people are so dumb. I'm a proud liberal and I have numerous guns. No one is trying to take your right to bare arms right. We just need regulations on it so that guns don't end up in the wrong hands stupid.
johnysocal 1 month ago
the nazi stuff are historical items.....
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codymount88 2 months ago
i love guns
i hate barry
and his wife
mikebyrd42069 3 months ago
1:16 i want it.
BigChiefMike 3 months ago
*Yawn* This video is stupid.
RadarGuidedVermin 3 months ago
So WHERE is the "shock"?
RetSquid 3 months ago
They represent gun owners and gun shows as racist, redneck, extremist people/conventions. Every gun show I've ever been to has been full of nice, people, sometimes famiilies, just trying to sell guns. Lots of people who aren't even redneck or even white, including myself. It's very cut and dry. These people are paranoid crazies who attend gun shows and are gun owners. Gun owners are very diverse. There is a hundred million of us you know.lol Implying 1/3 of the U.S. population are these guys?
bigstabby 4 months ago
>sane and responsible
>americans
dohohohohoho
pigsdofly6 4 months ago
@pigsdofly6 >>>/b/ is that way faggot
tostedcheeseman 4 months ago
why so much nazi stuff?
scoutsouljademoman 4 months ago
@scoutsouljademoman They only FOCUSED on the Nazi stuff. I have been to many shows and militaria of ANY kind is very popular but WWII is *probably* the most, in my experience. There is normally loads of American stuff also but THAT wouldn't make their "dangerous gun nut" story nearly as effective. There is also an obvious additional "trophy value" to possessing weapons and accoutrements of a vanquished enemy.
maxfirepower 4 months ago
@maxfirepower I can understand wanting to preserve history and what have you but that stuff looks like cheap remakes. Why would anyone want to even own SS helmets and that kind of stuff if it's not authentic
scoutsouljademoman 4 months ago
@scoutsouljademoman *Assuming* that your analysis of the image is even correct, I guess you could also ask why do people want cheap remakes of Samurai katanas or a brown-bess muskets? I dunno, I don't buy any of that junk.
maxfirepower 4 months ago
@maxfirepower People are weird!!!! One minute accusing Obama of being a Nazi, next minute buying old nazi memorabilia. Strange world we're living in!
scoutsouljademoman 4 months ago
@scoutsouljademoman Agreed, strange world indeed.
maxfirepower 4 months ago
@scoutsouljademoman
Probably as a decoration, lets say you make model tanks from WW2, and decide to display them in a model room or something.
I for one collect a lot of books and decorate my library with WALLPAPER downloaded images I print out. Some are sci fi artwork others are hot chicks from sci fi or action movies.
CSATexan 4 months ago
@CSATexan what is your favorite syfy movie
scoutsouljademoman 4 months ago
@scoutsouljademoman
It is hard to say what is my favorite Sci Fi Movie after all there are so many. But I think the one I liked the most is Aliens 2.
CSATexan 4 months ago
@CSATexan Mine is Blade Runner
scoutsouljademoman 4 months ago
@scoutsouljademoman
Not to upset you, but Hollywood has decided to Remake Blade runner.
As I said when I hear about the Scarface remake, "it better not have Justin Bieber in it"!!
CSATexan 4 months ago
@scoutsouljademoman
Good movie.."He say you brade runner!"
RetSquid 3 months ago
liberal gunowner, sup guys? Just a hint, if you are scared about people you don't like having guns, buy some yourself. They are fun :)
fsdffdg 4 months ago
Amen!
ShadeStalker1915 4 months ago
@fsdffdg I *think* that many of the people vigorously opposed to guns attribute *their* motives to others and therefore don't trust others to be armed. Rather like a guy who spends an inordinate amount of time complaining about gays; you have to wonder, "Why is that?"
maxfirepower 4 months ago
@maxfirepower I don't think so.
fsdffdg 4 months ago
I really would like to go to a gun show without encountering faggots like that but hey what can you do
Failureandherpies 4 months ago
why you going slow in the fast lane? it's like i'm in california
brazilianEYEreportU 4 months ago
What was "shocking" about the gun shows ?
marauderroy 4 months ago
@marauderroy They had...guns.
maxfirepower 4 months ago
@maxfirepower Well of course they had guns. What did you expect at a gun show, Flower power T-shirts? Guns are not bad, Some people are bad. You could kill someone with a hammer, Do you want to restrict hammers? If you take away guns from law abiding people like myself then only people who break the law will have guns. Someone who will break the law, such as to rob, and murder people will have no trouble with breaking gun laws too. You don't really think you can take ALL the guns away, Do you ?
marauderroy 4 months ago
@marauderroy Whoa! Where did you get all of that? I don't intend to restrict anything. I am not offended by weapons of any kind. -ONLY responding to what was "shocking" to the bed-wetters who made the video. Everyone's hammers, guns, etc. are safe from me. Please note the handle: Max Firepower.
maxfirepower 4 months ago
@maxfirepower So sorry, I thought you where one of those crazies who think "Gun Laws" will stop all crime.
marauderroy 4 months ago
@marauderroy I still may be crazy; I'm just not stupid.
maxfirepower 4 months ago
@maxfirepower OMFG THEY HAD GUNS AT A GUN SHOW!!!
did you know car shows have, hear me out I know this will sound crazy, but car shows have... CARS!
tostedcheeseman 4 months ago
@tostedcheeseman Okay, I guess I'll have to explain this for you too. This was meant to be *facetious sarcasm* in response to the question "What was shocking...?" Well, the bed-wetters making the VIDEO were SHOCKED at the guns. Do you get it yet? Please note my handle too and guess what MY position on weapons might be. Sarcasm evidently doesn't play well here. Apologies.
maxfirepower 4 months ago
@maxfirepower yeah, sarcasm doesnt play well over the internet, and I was too lazy to read other comments.
tostedcheeseman 4 months ago
@maxfirepower yeah, sarcasm doesnt play well over the internet, and I was too lazy to read other comments.
tostedcheeseman 4 months ago
Well, I'm glad there are only 100 of them.
AngeCord 5 months ago
@AngeCord
Have you been living under a rock, it's more than just a hundred people. Libertard bastard.
killzone321 4 months ago
You should be able to have as many guns as you want in your house, as long as you don't take them out in public. Thumbs up if you agree.
taostoner1 6 months ago
@taostoner1
And if you're mentally unstable, should you be allowed to have as many as you want? Should you be allowed any?
PigCapitalist 6 months ago
fuck that this is our rights, i mean im native american and my people have guns we do not trust those fancy liars and tricksters in washington with thier fake jew friends in aipac
scorpian8king 6 months ago
The focus of this documentary is unclear. If it was to show how guns are bad, it failed. I didn't see any clear argument against guns. If it was to showcase a few eccentrics,eh, maybe it succeeded a little, but eccentrics are everywhere and not all of them are gun owners. Then, it shifted to Naziism, and I'm not quite sure what the purpose of that was, besides a little historical lesson. Were you trying to equate Nazi Germany with conservative America? You need to be more clear. Thumbs down.
ClarkKasheta 6 months ago
@ClarkKasheta
I think the point was to show the availability of guns to these "few eccentrics". Which, by the way, is a very mild way of putting it. When people talk about "fema camps", armed "revolution" and Obama building a separate military, that hardly counts as eccentricity; craziness is more like it.
PigCapitalist 6 months ago
@PigCapitalist Yes, guns are available, but not without a federal background check and LOTS of paperwork. If guns get into the hands of the wrong people, is that my fault, or any other law-abiding citizen's? Cars get into the hands of the wrong people too - alcoholics, and they are just as deadly. Anyone who speaks of revolution is nuts. The state militia, military and law enforcement are too powerful for any such thing to survive; and thank God for that. Most gun owners are good citizens.
ClarkKasheta 6 months ago
@ClarkKasheta
"Yes, guns are available, but not without a federal background check and LOTS of paperwork."
This is not always the case. If the gun is sold at a "gun show", which is what the above is, there's no enforcement of the background check or paper work. The reason for this is that the sale can be written off as a "personal sale". So, it is very easy for a mentally unstable individual to acquire a gun.
PigCapitalist 6 months ago
@PigCapitalist
"...is that my fault, or any other law-abiding citizen's?"
Obviously there's no way the blame can be placed on you or other gun owners, but there is a level of responsibility to be shared if there is opposition on stricter gun laws from current gun owners. Primarily because it has been shown that, as the law stands, it is very easy for someone who shouldn't have a firearm to acquire one. (See first post).
PigCapitalist 6 months ago
@ClarkKasheta I agree with u man :D and unfortunatly the bad gun owners in California dont listen to the anti-gun laws that restrict mag cap, mag release etc... :c
SuperSneakySniper 5 months ago
Well you try to take away people's right to own those weapons there's going to be a problem period.
There is no Debates going on there. A debate implies two Flexible people with differeing opinions, or else trying to sway a crowd.
What is happening is this: many people openly Declare, IF their arms are attempted to be taken, they will Fight the government.
Hate it or love it, that is the ongoing situation.
So, ideology ASIDE. Trying to Take guns, will lead to much longterm resistant violence.
Premier112 6 months ago
The guy at 0:48 to me is great example of a typical gun rights activist who doesn't understand liberty. "if they take away our guns they will take away everything else." LOL! They already have taken away everything else. Think property tax, driver's license, marriage license, fiat currency they inflate at will, income tax, death tax, sales tax, CPS, public schools indoctrinating our children, among other things. The issue is not just guns, it is liberty! Wake up people!
jkmcdani 6 months ago
@jkmcdani I think he means that, without our guns, the government can do anything they want without opposition. The 2nd ammendment really just insures the ppl honestly have the power, not the government. Aren't the Democrats trying to raise taxes? At my old job we were paid less becuase the new Democratic governor issued a larger tax on the business profit :c
SuperSneakySniper 6 months ago
@SuperSneakySniper
If your boss pays you whilst still making a profit that means he's not paying you the full amount of your labor. So, it wasn't that the tax lowered your pay, but that your boss still wanted to continue not paying you the full amount of capital your labor produces, i.e. profit from your labor.
"The 2nd ammendment really just insures the ppl honestly have the power..."
This pre-supposes that militias can go toe to toe against the U.S. military, which is nothing but a fantasy.
PigCapitalist 6 months ago
@PigCapitalist if iraqi insurgents can do it then the united states people could not toe to toe by a long shot but ied the fuck our of them and they will feel the hurt also hunting rifles would make great marksman weapons on par with an svd full autos would probably be sold here to the factions or they would be smuggles in and since they take the same ammo and parts as the semi autos we would have plenty to keep them working and shooting
thegreatkurt2013 6 months ago
@thegreatkurt2013
"if iraqi insurgents can do it..."[sic]
Iraqi insurgents don't do it. Yes, they take out soldiers every now and then, but if you compare the amount of losses on their side, you would hardly call that "doing it".
"would probably be sold here to the factions or they would be smuggles in"
You seem to think that the Govt. would allow you to use their economy/currency whilst you're engaging in an uprising against it. Have you heard of Cuba? Have you heard of an "Embargo"?
PigCapitalist 6 months ago
@PigCapitalist Well, I think the militias/civilians in Vietnam, the Middle East, and some parts of Korea did pretty well against the US military. Apparantly, being a "civy" is a large advantage. Whenever the US military has a hard time distinguishing between innocent civy and threat civy, the military gives up. (not nessesarily loses, but gives up) I know first hand how strict the laws of engagement are, and i'm sure those laws would be stricter against our own country.
SuperSneakySniper 6 months ago
@SuperSneakySniper
I'm sorry did you miss what happened in Vietnam? We bombed villages and napalmed children. Also, the Viet-cong had a formal army, not civilians with weapons. The same applies to Korea. As for the middle east, insurgents don't hold a candle to the U.S. military. Like I told another user, yes, they take out soldiers every now and then, but Iraqi's have lost many more "insurgents" than the U.S. has lost soldiers.
PigCapitalist 6 months ago
@SuperSneakySniper
As for your last claim, this has been shown to be false many times over. Yes, rules of engagement are strict, but it doesn't matter one bit to the military. The most recent example of this is the Wikileaks release of soldiers firing on reporters and civilians they took to be "insurgents". Also, your idea ignores the fact that the U.S. also uses private companies for combat operations which have no rules of engagement (See "Nisoor Square" incident)
PigCapitalist 6 months ago
@PigCapitalist I think it must work both ways, becuase there have been sooo many times when our commanding officer would have authority to fire, then would ask upper command, and they would not let him. I never fired a shot at someone who didn't have an AK-47/74 in their arms. However I noticed several "reckless" contractors that did not have such rules as you said, there were very few however, and most simply helped supply us, and usually the armed ones are looking for "dead or alive" rewards
SuperSneakySniper 5 months ago
@SuperSneakySniper
I think you're making a mistake in using personal experience as a starting point for an over-all idea ("I think it must work both ways"). History has shown that private-contractors have no rules of engagement, as an Xe representative said to a survivor of Nisoor Square, "We do not apologize". This means that any ideas of guns maintaining power "with the people", as you suggested, are false. The government always has the power, regardless of how many guns individuals have.
PigCapitalist 5 months ago
@PigCapitalist Okay man I guess we gotta have to agree to disagree on this one then man. I respect what you have to say and thank you for the info man.
SuperSneakySniper 5 months ago
@SuperSneakySniper
With respect, if I agree to disagree I'd be accepting that our views are equal in value. I don't think this is right, since I've corrected your misunderstandings with evidence and reason and have not received the same in return. I'm not asking to draw this out any longer, nor am I asking for something more from you (I'm fine with ending it here), but I'm not about agree to disagree.
PigCapitalist 5 months ago
@PigCapitalist Uhh.... okay.... Well I mostly just don't want to argue over the internet for a long time lol we both have better things to do. However... isn't your opinions higher value in... your opinion? You believe you corrected me. However, in my opinion i feel the fact that i've been there may prove a somewhat respectable point. but in your opinion, its not. I didn't call it a "draw" i meant we have to leave the conversation with the same ideas we began it with is all. Neither is changed
SuperSneakySniper 5 months ago
THIS IS FUCKING LIBERAL JEW BULLSHIT. FUCK OBAMA AND ALL THE JEWS & NIGGERS. AMERICA FOR WHITES ONLY. DEATH TO THE KIKES!!!
pel556 6 months ago
@pel556 hey im with you but im native american fucking fake jew motherfucking parasites, i am with you man we need to unite man im native and i know our people fought bfore but you know what lets put that behind us and focus on these aipac going zionist terrorist and liars like barry soetoro
scorpian8king 6 months ago
Hitler, when he came into power in Germany, started confiscating all guns in order to illegally imposed his anti-democratic laws on an unarmed German population. Fight the Evil Obama and his Evil Obama Administration!
darthvader5300 6 months ago
I wonder why this ginger focused on the Nazi memorabilia? The Japanese were far worse than the Nazis ever were. At Nanking, hardcore Nazi Party members complained to Berlin about how barbaric and inhumane the Japanese were. At least the Germans dealt with their past and apologized for their WWII behavior. The Japanese have yet to apologize or make reparations to their millions upon millions of civilian victims of WWII.
BloodofPatriots 6 months ago
@BloodofPatriots,
He's using the "guilt by association" tactic, most gun shows have 1 or 2 guys selling Nazi memorabilia, probably FED's, most people just ignore them, I have a feeling if you hung-out and showed too much interest you'd get your picture taken and a file started.
Your point about WW-II prison camps is statistically correct; it's depressing but I think most American's learned history from Hollywood movies.
uzijohn 6 months ago
the only decision i need to make is the JUDGE or GOVERNOR.
juggalo309 7 months ago
I think the whole story about the "FEMA camps" is BS because the government is controlled by coporations and those coporations would collapse if there is no one to buy their products. Remember Germany basically lost the war due to running out of money and resources.
ssssroryssss 7 months ago
This really doesn't look like anti-obama extremist gun culture. It does look like people who don't like Obama though, lolol.
miniboscorino 7 months ago
LOL "extremist". Please. The people in this video know what is going on and is preparing and protecting themselves by arming themselves. Bravo to the people in the video.
1XMarksSpot 8 months ago
There is Nazi memorabilia at Gun shows that happens at almost every gun show. There happens to be plenty of Nazi junk to go around and some of it is fake so watch out. If anyone is trying to imply that they are bigots for selling and buying WWII memorabilia this is false its been done for years collectors value. i never see anyone complain about jap stuff... and trust me they where quiet nasty back in the day perhaps as bad if not worse than the nazi's.
assmonkey626 8 months ago
@assmonkey626 or complain about the soviet era memorabilia...
CorpsmanUP87 7 months ago
@assmonkey626 And who buys the Nazi memorabilia? Members of skin head extremist gun culture, pretty much exclusively.
wanderingmissy 7 months ago
@wanderingmissy wrong many people collect Nazi memorabilia its funny you don't complain about Jap WWII memorabilia do you? i can tell you for a fact that the Jap and Soviet stuff is in ample supply and sells pretty well at gun shows. people collect these things because they are a piece of history what would you do throw it all in an incinerator? half the shit you see at gun-shows isn't gun related they sell memorabilia, knives books gear whatnot. good place to buy first aid kits too.
assmonkey626 7 months ago
@wanderingmissy some of the stuff can sell for really high prices. My grand farther gave me a sword that he got off an officer in WW2 I sold it for $20,000. these things are apart of history and as repugnant as I find them if we do not remember the more gruesome details of history they will repeat themselves, so I read every dam thing I can find on that period.
Kiddeth 7 months ago
@wanderingmissy
I bought some Nazi memorabilia and im mexican ( Helmet, SS officer dagger, Hitler youth knife). I also bought a dreidel that was found in the warsaw ghetto I'm going to make a little In memory of thing with it.
HaZard874 6 months ago
@wanderingmissy Don't tell me your that FUCKING stupid.
MrRyinoyea 6 months ago
@wanderingmissy shut your cock holster . nobody cares what you think . i use the word think loosely .
thc2468 6 months ago
A Nazi stand in a gun show? How the hell did that guy not get the shit kicked out of him by war vets?!
Embrigh 9 months ago
@Embrigh Because he isn't a fucking Nazi you moron!
"OH LOOK! WIKIPEDIA HAS AN ENTRY ON THE NAZIS! IT'S THE NEW UPRISING!"
People who like guns tend to appreciate military history. Pictures of concentration camps should be preserved and shown to every single person alive so that we don't forget those who lost their lives to tyranny. Memories of such people should be a lesson to everyone, a barrier against tyranny penetrating western civilisation once more.
ihaterobbie123 8 months ago
@ihaterobbie123 I never said he was a Nazi, but he was selling Nazi paraphernalia. A banana stand sells bananas, but it doesn't necessarily make the clerk a farmer. I'm also glad that you people need horrific pictures to show you what is wrong instead of a little common sense. Do you also have pictures of child rape on your wall to remind you that it is wrong?
Embrigh 8 months ago
@Embrigh "he was selling Nazi paraphernalia" "How the hell did that guy not get the shit kicked out of him by war vets?!"
So let me get this straight. Selling vintage Nazi articles SHOULD evoke some sort of violent outburst in those who fought the Nazis 65 years ago? So it stands to reason that the sale of AK47s should evoke a violent outburst in those fighting the Taliban to this day...interesting.
Tell me, what part of appreciation for history confuses you?
ihaterobbie123 8 months ago
@ihaterobbie123 I thought the hyperbole was sufficiently obvious, but perhaps not for you. Regardless you still fail to address my argument of Holocaust pictures and instead give me some nonsense non sequitur about Kalashnikovs.
Embrigh 8 months ago
@Embrigh OK, so selling holocaust pictures is the problem is it? That should evoke rage in army vets?
"Get it all on record now, get the films, get the witnesses, because somewhere down the track of history some bastard will get up and say that this never happened."
- General Dwight D. Eisenhower
"I'm also glad that you people need horrific pictures to show you what is wrong instead of a little common sense"
Well I guess the Nazis didn't have common sense then. Bravo! Fine argument fuckwit!
ihaterobbie123 8 months ago
@ihaterobbie123 The people in the weimar republic were under not only duress but a special type of authoritative culture. In that country, Hitler was able to garner control of the state by using psychological tactics of fear and racism that are still used and widespread to this day, i.e. Jews/Mexicans/Arabs/Blacks are the cause of the current terrible conditions. Common sense would have helped them a great deal. Also google the world "define:hyperbole".
Embrigh 8 months ago
@Embrigh I know you weren't being literal, but I see no rational cause for which to use it. I'm guessing the basis of that reasoning is that we don't NEED the pictures. Well, sorry, we do. We don't need them to remind us of morality, we don't take pleasure in their existence, we need them to preserve history.
Your objection to their sale is something I'm really having a tough time figuring out. The soldiers that served in those wars don't want their efforts wasted or their sacrifice forgotten.
ihaterobbie123 8 months ago
@ihaterobbie123 There's a difference between having them in a museum and having them on your bedroom nightstand. My objection is the subtle hypocricy behind it. Israel definitely wants the entire world to remember the holocaust forever, While I have no objection to this, but their cause isn't one of justice. "Never again". Perhaps, but only for Jews. Rwanda, Darfur, Sudan, Cambodia, East TImor, Iraq Kurds, etc. The world remembers, but doesn't care.
Embrigh 8 months ago
@Embrigh Yes genocide still happens, but not in countries that heed the warnings of the past.
I don't see this supposed hypocrisy either, must be pretty damn subtle.
Look, here's the bare-bone facts of this situation. There's someone behind a stall selling WWII memorabilia at a gun show...so fucking what? He's free to, the axis fucking lost, we can do whatever we damn well want to with their stuff.
This isn't a discussion worth having, you just don't fucking get it do you?
ihaterobbie123 8 months ago
@ihaterobbie123 Bare bone facts? Alright, a person is selling memorabilia (not artifacts) of Nazi Germany. He's free to do so, I agree. Along with that is a white power flag. This isn't for history, this is prejudice, ignorant, and racist paranoia. Again, he has the freedom to do so, but that shouldn't mean we should stand for it. The only part i will admit is that a youtube comment argument is about as useful as using a 1.5 gallon brita filter to purify the pacific ocean.
Embrigh 8 months ago
@Embrigh It's confirmed, I'm talking to a brick wall.
Yeah, whatever, he's a racist for selling pictures of Jews and POWs being abused. He's a racist for selling vintage photographs of political figures, he doesn't appreciate their intrinsic value he's just spreading hate. He's also somehow paranoid racially even though the pictures condemn the actions of people who share his ethnicity, the hell with facts though, it's all RACIST!
Freedom means you have to stand for it, respect his rights.
ihaterobbie123 8 months ago
@ihaterobbie123 He may be a racist because he has a white power flag. It's clear you have no capacity to think or understand ideas and rather mindlessly babble forth with typical ignorance. Good day.
Embrigh 8 months ago
@Embrigh That's an SS flag, next to it is the Nazi flag, both are Nazi related.
Good babble sir.
ihaterobbie123 8 months ago
@ihaterobbie123 The lightning bolt symbol used by the SS is very commonly used by skinheads as tattoos. Also, thanks for all the ad hominem ;) it really contributed to your rationalization.
Embrigh 8 months ago
@Embrigh So if skinheads started using the peace sign as tattoos then the peace sign would become racist? The Nazis used the swastika, that became a racist symbol, except it didn't really.
The reason skinheads like it is because skinheads like the Nazis. My guess is that guy is at the very least interested in them. Doesn't mean he's a neo-fascist.
"Good babble sir" isn't an ad hominem attack.
ihaterobbie123 8 months ago
@ihaterobbie123 The peace sign may actually then represent something other than peace. The cross had many pagan meanings until the Christians began to use it. Also, "good babble sir" isn't an ad hominem attack, that is true, but "fuckwit" "moron" "brick wall" are.
Embrigh 8 months ago
@Embrigh So does he have to be a racist to sell something that racists happen to use? No. The meaning he's given the SS flag is nothing more than an emblem of a Nazi army division. It doesn't matter what meaning other people give to it.
And no, they're not ad hominem attacks, they're insults. An ad hominem attack is when you base your criticism on the credentials of the person making the argument.
"You're wrong because you're an idiot"- Ad hominem.
"You're an idiot, here's why"- Not ad hominem.
ihaterobbie123 8 months ago
@ihaterobbie123 Ad hominems don't add value to an argument and are defamatory. Some words like "fuckwit" aren't words but rather vague slang. Your utter failure to understand my position coupled with an impressively dense attitude reinforces your ignorance. I already addressed your points yet you still insist on defending them.
Embrigh 8 months ago
@Embrigh They are not ad hominems, didn't you read my post? I agree, they don't add value to a point, that's why I don't make them. All I did was insult you, because you deserve it.
You have a problem with people selling collector items which happen to be from a society which committed innumerable atrocities.
The swords issued to Japanese WW2 troops are collectable and, worse yet, were probably used to kill unarmed Chinese civilians for racial reasons. Is collecting/selling those immoral?
ihaterobbie123 8 months ago
@ihaterobbie123 Now that we've established that you don't know what an ad hominem is let's move on.
There are items that are controversially traded and sold as they are considered collectibles. These range from the items that seller in the video had to things such as native american skulls and so forth. I don't agree with your initial reasoning that ownership implies a safeguard against such things. If it is for the sake of history a museum will do a better job.
Embrigh 8 months ago
@Embrigh "Now that we've established that you don't know what an ad hominem is let's move on."
Oh sorry, I only have a high school certificate in philosophy which includes a logic course and I'm doing biology BSc with philosophy at university. You fucked with someone who knows his stuff and now you have nothing to respond with so you falsely assert your victory without evidence.
Ownership has intrinsic value irrespective of political motivation. Until you understand that you're unreasonable.
ihaterobbie123 8 months ago
@ihaterobbie123 Oh snap bro, I totally didn't you were a college educated individual and thus have the credentials to ignore and strawman anything you want. To my understanding you said that pics of the concentration camps should be kept alive to prevent against it happening again. I asked if the same could be said about child pornography, or really anything else that is that terrible, would be allowed as well so we can prevent it too.
Embrigh 8 months ago
@Embrigh Well child pornography is illegal and photos of torture, mutilation, death, and suffering are not. Child pornography is kept where it needs to be, in an evidence database to lock up criminals. The war photos have already served their initial purpose, now collecting the originals is like collecting anything. I could download a photo of the Mona Lisa but if I was interested in art owning the original is more desirable.
It's a hobby, which I don't share, but I respect.
ihaterobbie123 8 months ago
@ihaterobbie123 Then this is common ground and only took 25 posts.
Embrigh 8 months ago
FUCK NAZI'S...AMERICAN POWER YOU FUCKS!
geewilmas 9 months ago
Gun Control leads to genocide - look at Nazi Germany, Communist China, Soviet Union, Vietnam, etc
stephenabm 9 months ago
Living in America... Lets just say, I'm embarrassed for this ignorant country.
telinit5 9 months ago
@telinit5 Please go on, how are we the people of America Ignorant in your eyes?
BigDirtyBasterd 9 months ago
@BigDirtyBasterd
Just one for ya:
Google: "Evolution big bang polls omitted from NSF report"
telinit5 9 months ago
I dont think anyone in there right mind would fuck with american citizens, everyone is straped to the teeth (mostly) we'd be a force to be recond with.
demensionflip 9 months ago
Guns are safe. It is argued that Commercial flights are safe because of the number of flights versus the number of commercial aviation accidents. If one takes the number of guns versus the number of "rogue" shootings then, it lends to reason, that guns are even SAFER. Liberals take one incident and try to apply it universally, they try to make us "our brother's keeper." Phucque them! The elite fear guns because they know they have wronged us to the point of... "you fill in the blanks."
UnitedCorpOfAmerica 9 months ago 2
Please stop allowing weirdos to represent pro gun activists. Most of us aren't this creepy I promise.
nickm664688 9 months ago
You bleeding heart liberals are sheep. I question your mental capacity and your ability to learn from examples. First disarm the populous then do with them what you will. All through history this has happened. This will not happen here as my fellow Americans will defend he from within...
TolietPickle 9 months ago
ever thing was great about the video, until nazi pictures, are u fuckn serious, you red neck backward smelly cocksucker, i hope u shoot each other, you losers
crate718 10 months ago
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Lets read this right because its frightening and exciting: 100 million Americans (many of which are mentally unstable and paranoid, have been given the right by their imaginary friend in the sky to carry with them the means to exterminate the their fellow countrymen, (many of which they openly hate anyway). I could make some money by betting that America is going to decrease in population quite soon. lol
amemy1 10 months ago
This is like a "shocking" tour of a slaughterhouse being shown to people who never bothered to think about where their meat comes from. NEWS FLASH: the American system of government -a free and open society - is underwritten by the right of the people to keep and bear arms. Yes, it's about using force to preserve essential human liberties, as the last line of defense. Be very, very suspicious of anyone - especially a politician or public speaker - who does not accept and understand this.
danthompson1m 10 months ago 2
@danthompson1m Interesting how the kneejerkers are always harping about how guns are meant to kill people, yet they care nothing about how in the right hands (not the police) they are legitimized to prevent mass genocide, and preserve liberty.
txngasnguns 10 months ago 7
See....when someone kills someone just to kill....thats murder. Always has been. But when an individual or a people fight to the death to defend themselves from falling under the rule of an individual, or ideology which dissolves liberty, and subjugates them to a lifetime of slavery, in which there is no free thought, or act......the act of killing becomes justified.
The authors of our constitution understood that, and it still applies to this day.... regardless of race, creed, or orientation.
txngasnguns 10 months ago 19
tell me why would you need a .308 caliber sniper rifle it's just un called for. come on git real
dswinga 10 months ago
@dswinga No one "needs" it, but a .308 caliber rifle is generally used for target competition, you know, for fun and sports? Come on. "git" real.
WarDog762 10 months ago
@dswinga Could you please cite for me where in the U.S. Constitution (specifically the second amendment) exactly where this word "need" is?
txngasnguns 10 months ago 10
YAY, gun for everyone! guns only lead to good, nothing dangerous about guns..
Maby its time to change the constitutional rights..and make drugs legal, No wait..both should be legal, thats a good combo!!
Seriously, if your a hunter and own a gun thats must, but for everyone else, let the cops carry the weapon and do ther job not you.
TFfan75 10 months ago
@TFfan75 With all due respect....the constitutional aspect of gun ownership has nothing to do with hunting, or target shooting, or for that matter even self defense. It has everything to do with being the last check and balance against a tyrannical government, whether it be ours or another. As for legalized narcotics, if you take the market out of the black market, you have no more cartel or pusher, and crime as a whole drops. The war on drugs should have been ended long ago. It's done nothing.
txngasnguns 10 months ago 8
@txngasnguns
Making drugs legal was a joke, its just as ridiculous as haveing guns legal for everybody.
Guns are made for two things, hunting and killing people, simple as that!
If you dont go around killing people or go hunting, ther is no reason for anyone to have gun..
Tyrannical government..! come one! Just because the goverment think in another direction then gun lovers dont make them tyrannical, just responsible.
TFfan75 10 months ago
@TFfan75 Perhaps shooting a firearm is used for entertainment outside of killing? Have you even considered that?
WarDog762 10 months ago
@WarDog762 So everbody should have gun cuz its entertaining to shoot em!?
But i see your point. I just think gun shouldnt be so easy to get a hold of.
TFfan75 10 months ago
@TFfan75 People will get firearms legally or illegally, it doesn't matter how much control you put on them, it's not going to stop it. The only thing gun control will do is make it harder for law abiding citizens to arm themselves.
WarDog762 10 months ago
@WarDog762 You just proved my point, its an evil circle.
TFfan75 10 months ago
@TFfan75 Funny, he just proved your point, but what about mine? Are they too far over your head, or do you just not have an answer to the truth?
txngasnguns 10 months ago 7
@TFfan75 Evil circle or not, putting bans/regulations on firearms is only going to hinder those responsible enough to own them. So then what happens when they -need- them, and don't have them or cannot get them? Violent people kill people, the gun just makes the death cleaner. The firearm in and of itself is a tool and nothing more. And it's never wrong to have a .308 caliber rifle and not need it over needing it, but only wishing you had it. :P
WarDog762 10 months ago
@WarDog762 Thats paranoia talking..If responsible people can get a hold of weapons, it just makes it that more easy for a criminal to get a hold of one, and we need to make it as hard as possible for wacko`s to arm them selfs. If you ever get to a point where you need a gun to defend youself its not gonna be a shoot out in your home or on the street, Your gonna have a gun to your head and not even think about that 308 of yours. Your gonna be shiting your pants and hope to god you`ll live threw.
TFfan75 10 months ago
@TFfan75 Kind of a flawed argument. First, it's easy to get a firearm illegally, and there's nothing you can do about it, so how are you making it any harder for criminals? You're not, you're just disarming responsible people. And second, regarding a situation in which you would need a firearm, you only named a single, limited situation and claimed that it was the only probable thing that could happen. BS, you never know what might happen in the future, and you can't rely on the government.
WarDog762 10 months ago
@TFfan75 Forgive me, for a moment I was under the impression I was conversing with an adult, with a functioning brain. Didn't realize you were so simple minded.
If the government disagrees with me....news flash...thats fine. I have issues with both the right and left. Its when the government (whether ours or another) for whatever reason deems you, or your neighbor no longer worthy of the right to live, that the handgun, or scoped rifle, or semi-auto rifle becomes the last hope for freedom.
txngasnguns 10 months ago 10
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@txngasnguns "hope for freedom" -" neighbor no longer worthy of the right to live" !!?? where the fuck are you living?? Iraq? middle east??
You talk like your afraid of everything and the gun Is the only solution to stay alive.
And If the goverment for whatever reason deems you no longer worthy of the right to live, your probly in jail for killing someone!
TFfan75 10 months ago
@txngasnguns Now that analogy, you know.....where the citizens arm themselves in order to prevent their own extermination....thats NEVER happened before has it? HMMM????? I mean a government would NEVER do that! Im sure many wonderful people in China, NAZI Germany, or for that matter the U.S.S.R. under Stalin trusted their own government right up to the point where a bullet they paid for with their tax dollars was planted in their own head. If you allow history to repeat itself..........it will.
txngasnguns 10 months ago 14
Where are all the extremists in this video? I only saw a bunch of Americans exercising their constitutional rights and a few selling some historical war memorabilia.
WesSeid 10 months ago
@bigfatAMERCANbastard well the sniper in the back pack can be used when ppl who hate all that is freedom and america (china, russia, north korea, our own government, etc) invade and we need to find a strategic sniping point that is on the other side of enemy terratory.
adamwest456 10 months ago
if you have natzi flags shave ur head and talk about socialism .what do you think people will think about you at gun shows...they will think please don't sell that s o b that gun he's nuts..i am what people call leberal . but i have been hunting since i was 12 thats when i got my first shot gun..and there is nothing wrong in owning guns .but there is something wrong acting like ur nuts and haveing guns
moecat1000 10 months ago
its gay they have to go out of their way to make CA legal guns
MrSkankaDank 11 months ago
Same old whites. They will never change! This is the face of the new republicans, the tea party what a joke. As you can see the republicans are a threat to national security. The KKK has taken them over. Right or just the good old reich. You people make me sick. Your the worst of americans. Don't worry hitler, these morons will soon be with you in hell were they belong.
40247 11 months ago
@40247 ....if you seriously believe what you just posted....you live in a fantasy world and seriously need to wake up.
txngasnguns 11 months ago
for all the good they do to support the right to bear arms and not be socialist, why do they think it's wise to allow nazi stuff into their shows?
thatjimguy 11 months ago 2
@thatjimguy Anyone has a right to sell whatever they wish as long as it is legal. Now....aside from that...what you choose to sell may not earn you any respect. Also...see my post to crocfme.
txngasnguns 11 months ago 2
why the fuck these assholes need guns???????is it for a same reason than bmw?having one because of a small dick?
rakkipallo 11 months ago
@rakkipallo According to Sigmund Freud....its the other way around.
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity".
The reason these people need guns, is the same reason people on "your side of the isle" need them (and own them), to protect against the government overstepping its bounds, as well as to act as this nations last line of defense in the event of a foreign invasion.
Don't think liberals own firearms? I know MANY who own the same guns featured in this vid.
txngasnguns 11 months ago
I support gun ownership; own a couple of rifles myself, but the Nazi flags and Nazi memorabilia?! Isn't that a bit disrespectful of the brave Americans who gave their lives fighting against the Nazis?
The Nazis had one or two good points, and one or two thousand bad ones. They should not be commemorated or honoured in any way. (Try walking around in Germany displaying a swastika or SS insigia - you'd get bashed.)
crocfme 11 months ago
@crocfme Ive actually met an ME-109 pilot once at a Dallas Gun and Militaria show. Very interesting conversation. Funny how he was sharing an endcap with a former B-17 pilot.
In my opinion Nazi memorabilia is ok as long as it is actual Nazi memorabilia, and represents some form of historic value. If thats the case, its just as legit as Soviet memorabilia. Once you deviate from historic value, you deviate from legitimacy, and at that point.....display or sell at your own risk.
txngasnguns 11 months ago
@txngasnguns
Yes, I see your point about genuine historical artifacts. Cheap mass-produced Swastikas are another thing of course. My wife's father was an AA gunner in Germany during the war - a good man; had great respect for him. My Grandfather was shot down KIA in a Whitley bomber over Germany in late '41. How's that for irony?!
Be aware tho, that the sale of these type of items was one of the issues exploited by the anti-gun lobby responsible for bringing in Australia's repressive gun laws
crocfme 11 months ago
@crocfme The problem with the anti-gun extremists using the Nazi imagery to associate with gun owners in the U.S. is it is so woefully associated with the actual demographic of american gun owners that the american people as a whole will not relate, and will reject it. True you may get a few idiots on the left who think this is the case, but that analogy in itself would greatly piss off the gun owners on the left (which there are WAY more than the media make out).
txngasnguns 11 months ago
I also agree with you about the cheap manufactured garbage. I wouldn't mind owning an actual Nazi flag (that actually flew in WWII) just as a collectible. But the kind of crap that guy is pedaling isn't worth a second look. This is predictable. I remember all the really badass stuff that showed up at gunshows after the fall of the USSR, and all the phony, cheap, lookalikes that followed within a couple years. I have red army captains uniform somewhere, and a REAL cadets cap.
txngasnguns 11 months ago
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I find it funny that they were selling Nazi memorabilia here. They do know that Nazis are Socialists, right? Meet the uneducated right wing extremists of America.
yayayayayaya36 11 months ago
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yayayayayaya36 11 months ago
awwwww you are such a good little useful idiot.....
Senrysa 11 months ago
i support the 2nd amendment
justinloc187 11 months ago
The 2nd amendment doesnt FLEX, the well regulated militia(army,etc) ARE NECESSARY and doesnt mean 'civilians', BUT then there's a COMMA, THEN pt.2 THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED! It was written LIKE THAT ON PURPOSE as they were 2 years into a revolution AGAINST AN ARMY that reigned over the U.S. and they foresaw a need that it MIGHT HAPPEN AGAIN, not that it will, but IF IT DID, that the PEOPLE, just as in the revolution, would be comprising the security/NEW MILITIA as back then!
reeseman67 11 months ago
wth
Aleyia3389 11 months ago
that liberal fag reporter should of had his teeth kick out of his head.
TheVengefulGod 11 months ago
@TheVengefulGod It is Christians like you that make me hate Christians, you violent bigot.
JosephusBlowesus 11 months ago
@JosephusBlowesus its liberal idiots that I hate like you that assume I'm Christian. Liberals are the most hating fucking group I have ever seen . They have no idea what tolerance is. fuck them and fuck you.
TheVengefulGod 11 months ago
@TheVengefulGod liberals or not whole usa should put that bibble down and start TO USE FUCKING BRAINS!!!godbless usa..
rakkipallo 11 months ago
You don't hear the all the questions the interviewers are asking to get the response they are showing. You can find crazier people at a football game.
824711449 11 months ago
Wow ,not a big surprise. Just another communist gun grabber trying to fabricate how dangerous gun owners are.
daleallen45251 11 months ago
Everytime theres a democrat elected, gun sales climb for fear of a ban. Gun dealers must love the dems...
aaronsdavis 1 year ago
when they come for your guns all you have to do is give them over lead first and then when thy pry your cold dead hands from around them. hell i would give them all of mine but sorry to say they were lost in a tragic boating accident to the bottom of a lake. i belive just as congressman alan west said it is time for ALL AMERICANS TO TAKE UP YOUR GUNS AND TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK.
TheWilddawg1 1 year ago
Buy yourself a weapon and lots of ammo! Long live the republic!
bulldog10mm 1 year ago