I think I missed the point of this completely. What's he going on about..and why is all that significant? Where does he start on the symmetries of nature?
. J. Kruger and D. Dunning attributed these ASYMMETRIC errors to differences in metacognitive skill. A replication study showed no evidence for mediation effects for any of several candidate variables ASYMMETRIC errors were expected because of statistical regression and the general better-than-average (BTA) heuristic. Consistent with this parsimonious model, errors were no longer ASYMMETRIC when either regression or the BTA effect was statistically removed.
BTW please explain why alpha=137 duh the Cabala is older than the IGNORANT SCIENCE TWATs that are befuddled by the number '137' duh in Hebrew the word Cabala has a gematria value of '137' which is older? the Cabala or the MODERN SCIENCE TWATS befuddled by '137' hahaha science is the NEW religion the SCIENCE SHEEPLE better brush up on their theology EWE folks have much to learn from the Cabala and the I Ching namaste
It's important to remember that the universe exists as we know it because of an asymmetry. But I really like his quote regarding that breaking symmetry leaves room to grow :)
@islandbuoy4 Can you name an asymmetrical object that is rotationally symmetric? By definition, an asymmetrical object is something that is LACKING symmetry of any kind. By that definition, an asymmetrical object cannot be rotationally symmetric.
@jimmayl1 goggle >> FOUR FOLD rotational symmetry and the swastika the swastika is ASYMMETRICAL but rotationally symmetrical. It depends on how many legs it has. 3 fold rotational (rotate 120 degrees) swastika is the triskele 4 fold rotational (rotate 90 degrees) swastika is the common swastika we are used to seeing 5 fold rotational (rotate 72 degrees) swastika is our 5 arm milky way etc... 72 elders precession moves 1 degree in 72 years.... seeing a pattern? namaste
@islandbuoy4 Again, asymmetry is something that LACKS symmetry. Rotational symmetry is a type of symmetry. Therefore a swastika is not an asymmetrical object, because it is not lacking symmetry, since it has rotational symmetry.
@jimmayl1 jimmy needs to do more research A swastika is an asymmetrical object there is a difference between xyz asymmetry and rotational symmetry of an asymmetrical object duh duh duh do I need to draw you a picture? duh duh duh You can take an asymmetrical object and rotate it. It might be rotationally symmetrical at 3, 6, 9 and 12 oclock ya get it now STFU
@islandbuoy4 No need to get upset and/or hostile. I guess where you define an asymmetrical object depends on your axis of reference. A swastika might be asymmetric with respect to the Cartesian axes, but not the polar ones.
@islandbuoy4 I don't think there is anything more to discuss, is there? Obviously how when you define symmetry, you refer to at least one axis. I would hazard a guess that a rotationally symmetric object can be defined by a cartesianally symmetric contour in the complex plane. I've taken up to the third year maths at a university level (and done quite well with them), so I think that my opinion does hold at least some merit. This argument has nothing to do with 2012 as it stands.
@islandbuoy4 Look, I told you not to get hostile. I don't get your problem. I don't know if you mean 'bachelor of science' or 'bullshit' degree when you say BS, but based on your hostility I'd guess it were the latter. Don't tell me this is out of my field. I'm taking computational geometry courses. Be a real scientist and have some respect for peers. I have not once been hostile towards you. I've read your threads. You seem to continually bring up irrelevant points and say nothing relevant.
"your BS degree cannot explain why Stonehenge, many of the henges, wood and stone, were geometrically mapped out ASYMMETRICALLY."
That bit of the Dunning-Kruger's comment should tell loads! He has no understanding of mathematics, nor of physics, nor of archaeology it seems! I've studied all three, although my undergrad major is in psychology; so I'm nowhere near as far up as you are with your comp-geom! We should ignore IB4 as a troll, methinks.
@psychobollox Thanks for your support David. I don't think IB4 knows what he is talking about, but he's certainly no troll. He linked me to a forum where he's been posting rants that go in circles like this for some time. Either way, I'd try not to get involved.
He does have a little bit of a point (I don't think he made it though) that asymmetrical objects can have symmetry, since it depends where you define the symmetric axes. But that doesn't mean he is saying anything here either :P
Well, I'm not sure about asymmetrics having symmerties - reasons obvious - but I can see how projections can give rise to some mappings that look symmetrical when you look at them as larger neighbourhoods and points within those neighbourhoods, but - well, his example was crap.
All the best with the comp-geom... I just hope you can find a good therapist to help you reconstruct your mind when you get back out of that stuff ;) Have fun :)
@psychobollox I love it when the low brow humans bond and form a MOB...hahaha birds of a feather 'fuck together'? I googled Dunning-Kruger, I must I was ignorant of their THEORY DUH here is what I found... I must post it in 2 parts...BTW the word ASYMMETRY is mentioned..... hehehe PART 1 Abstract People who score low on a performance test overestimate their own performance relative to others, whereas high scorers slightly underestimate their own performance... cont'd...
"the swastika is ASYMMETRICAL but rotationally symmetrical."
Oh boy. What bit of ASYMMETRICAL did you not get? It means 'has NO symmetry'. In other words, if it has ROTATIONAL symmetry, then it has SYMMETRY, ergo cannot be ASYMMETRICAL.
I don't know about seeing a pattern, but I think I can spot a Dunning-Kruger type trying to argue that black is both black AND white! Jimmyl1 is right. You messed up by trying to show that you're and expert in something you don't understand.
You're a total fuckwit, aren't you? It's clear that you do not understand mathematics and you do not understand English either. You have no head for science. And you don't know when to stop digging when you've dug yourself into a hole of stupidity. Faces are SLIGHTLY asymmetrical, but they are more SYMMETRICAL than they are not symmetrical.
jimmayl1 is still right: you are trying to make yourself out to be an expert in an area you have no real understanding of.
@psychobollox go to 2:38 ya wanker EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT FACES ARE ASYMMETRICAL as a matter of fact some folks have the ability to read the ASYMMETRICAL quirks and ticks our ASYMMETRICAL faces reveal so well that they outperform LIE DETECTORS. my BULLSHIT meter is FULL on. EWE folks are twats google "HOW EINSTEIN MADE ASYMMETRY DISAPPEAR IN 1905" written by a noted scholar, not me.... hahahaha I READ ALL DAY fuck off now time to go back to Cabala Schule lol
Sautoy's books are absolutely amazing. They combine an ivy league mathematician's intellect with excellent writing skills. Sautoy was an excellent replacement for Dawkins and Imo, is a better writer.
@94jmcorrea she is now immortal, with her surname with it.. forever.. Richard Dawkins is not better nor lesser than Mr. Sautoy. A biologist > A Mathematician? I dont think so.
Practicing loving kindness and mindfulness with the knowledge that everything is in fact One is a mental illness? I'm sorry, but I happen to know for a fact that you are wrong in this instance. Don't worry, I used to be wrong, too.
Fascinating talk about transcendently beautiful mathematics. However, I wish Du Sotauy would stop using religious metaphors like "things unseen" to communicate his wonder. Mathematics is the quintessential rational pursuit, whose epistemology and method form the model and ideal for all inquiry and reasoning. Religion by contrast is the deadly antithesis of reason. Using inchoate, empty metaphors to describe higher dimensional symmetry desecrates the splendor of reason incarnate.
@Hottides I think in this instance he is talking about conceptual entities that cannot physically exist in our universe, and so literally cannot be seen with our eyes. Nothing to do with religion. Although I do happen to agree with your ideas on religion. I view religion more like a kind of virus.
i wouldnt say that people would choose the lower two faces as more beautiful. it always looks awkward and unpleasant when faces ae perfectly symmetrical. so as the japanese essay confirms: "uniformity is undesirable." symmetry too, id say..
Jesus Christ. Marcus du Sautoy is a knobhead. Hey may be a very capable Algebraic Number Theorist, but he has suffered from mass media overexposure, and the level to which his programs and "lectures" dum down is unforgivable. And what about his history of Mathematics programs? God, in the words of my History of Maths lecturer from Cambridge (Dr. Piers Bursill Hall), "Marcus Du Sautoy is the Oxford Professor of Stupid, and I have never seen so many fallacies in one program"
Well... I'm no mathematician, and I'm just fascinated by this lecture. Guess I need more reading on the subject. Dumbing down is what popular science is all about and as I mentioned I can't tell if he overdoes it. Thanks for comment anyway.
You don't have to necessarily need to have a practical use for something. It's the joy in studying Mathematics that's the reason for even concerning yourself with it. Like Art, in my opinion there is no practical use for it but people take joy in viewing and expressing themselves within it.
Fair call. Art is different though... that's a creative thing, to express your inner feelings/thoughts/ideas etc and comes in many different forms. I guess symmetry is also a sense of art then isn't it? we do find symmetrical things more likable.
You couldn't begin to imagine just how far mathmatics take things like this.
There are some very obvious applications, such as theories about universal order, architectural development, and even the biology of life. Everything that exists has symmetry, and understanding it will help you understand everything.
But again, it can go even deeper than that. The best way to say it, I guess, is "if you take the red pill, you stay in wonderland, and I will show you just how deep the rabbit hole goes."
Reality itself is necessarily asymmetric. The slight excess of negative energy at the Beginning, anti-gravity, to leave our expanding universe. There had to have been the slight asymmetry of matter over anti-matter. Asymmetry is what makes things interesting. Tiny asymmetries: as natural as natural can get.
Well said Philkapune. i question the tenuous nature of our perceptions too and from day one of our lives reality is a construct we presume others see as we do. Agreed, proof of anything is hard to find I grant you, but doesen't the thought of a real one sided object tickle you at all ?
Upbringing relates to symmetry because physical appearance arises from a combination of both genetic and environmental factors.
If a fully grown adult has symmetrical features, of course it indicates a fairly solid genetic background. It also indicates an upbringing in which he or she was protected from extreme heat or cold, malnutrition, disease, serious injury, heavy physical labor, etc.
Many factors can take away an unprotected child's symmetrical features, no matter how good their genes.
kevintype, asymmetry can also be the marker of an exceptional individual. Lack of symmetry is just as important in identifying unique or outstanding individuals. Asymmetry in an adult can be just as indicative of 'special' circumstances in the individuals life and upbringing.
Slessorpr, there is some truth to what you say, although it is beyond the scope of what I'm talking about.
In my previous comment I was not attempting to address all possible effects of symmetry or asymmetry. I was merely answering one specific question asked by "thewhitebarrywhite" in reference to the speaker's statements about symmetry being related to upbringing.
The mechanism of action by which strong genetic facial symmetry is broken is unclear . In the case of extreme hot or cold, would it be in the many years of enduring the physical discomfort that the shape of the face grows into a slightly different form? Seems a stretch. Heavy physical labor over an extended period may mishape the body, but the face?
That physical injury could disrupt facial symmetry is self-evident, but such obviousness does not extend to all the other areas of upbringing supposedly impacting the face you've mentioned.. I'm frankly just trying to understand what you mean by extremes of hot or cold having an impact, or physical labor. Facial symmetry, as referred to in the above video, is fixed (obviously exluding sudden physical harm, a violent attack, an accident, and so on). Are you presenting another side of the matter?
Whitebarrywhite, it's well known that extreme cold can lead to frostbite. In a hot climate, failure to shelter a child can lead to dehydration. Severe sunburn, possibly resulting in skin cancer, is another hazard. Heavy labor, like malnutrition, can increase vulnerability to many other diseases.
Any of these can affect the appearance, leading to loss of symmetry.
I am not referring to anything more mysterious then these rather obvious effects of environment.
Try not to take matters so personally. It's obvious with frostbite, skin cancer, etc, and that's all rather uncommon. More interesting, however, is what I assumed you were referring to: that conditions prevelant among lower income families could, over years of prolonged exposure, disrupt facial symmetery, in essence creating the embittered look that invites a one form of fate. Perhaps re-read Horatio Alger and consider the famous protagonist of that tale in that light. Cheers.
Whitebarrywhite, I apologize for my impatience. Busy times.
You raise a valid point, if I understand you correctly, that economic and social status can affect physical symmetry, and thus our ability to perceive beauty in a person's features.
Of course there is also the school of thought that says these "flaws" create a person's unique marks of character, and confer a more genuine beauty -- but that is beyond the scope of the speaker's remarks.
The artist of symmetry, M.C.Escher cd answer most of this chaps questions, and then pose one of his own that ties science in a knot, like, how can the infamous Moebius strip exist? It is an impossible, but genuinely one sided object! No one can deny it exists, yet how do you explain it? You can make this one sided strip with a piece of paper - then get the kids to explain to you how a one dimensional object can exist in the real world. Of course - it must be some sort of trick! Only it's not...
Well time is a temporal dimension, but he means of course a spatial one. Those higher dimensions are abstract. They don't need to exist in reality to be conceived and worked with. Look up "polychora".
In maths there can be any number of dimensions you dream up. Search for "Alan and Marcus Go Forth and Multiply". In physics there are possibly 11 'real' dimensions. Search for "BBC Horizon Parallel Universes".
But to end this now.. I just posted my original comment from GK chesterton because the video reminded me of it. If you dont agree with me its ok!! I did not expect you to! but i still have a rite to air my views just like you have the rite to air your views?
Thanks to those who have responded! We can pm if you like!
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you are a dumbass man, you have no knowledge and no history, you just listen to lies from textbooks, you have no wisdom and philoposhy, forget it people like you think they are God thats why I will praise the Most High Lord when he puts revenge on you Amen
Well there's a good forgiving christian! Tolerance has allways been the weak point of religious nuts. And bible? That isn't a textbook? Written by men who thought earth is flat and the centre of the kosmos, sun revolving around it and not the other way around? There is even a passage in leviticus where people are instructed to stone women to death if they are not virgins at their wedding night!? That in the textbook of loving and omnipotent, allforgiving "god"? Snap out of it!
Einstiens God wasn't what you think it is, he even said himself that Gods are a product of human ignorance. Naturalistic Pantheism, as the priest used to send letters of protest to Spinoza, because it is in fact underhanded atheism, simply applying the same mystical reverence one give to God to the natural world and it's workings as God. Newton was a nut case, or at least a very terrible person, albeit a very mathematically gifted one. When appealing to authority, ProTip: Don't mention Newton.
That of course doesn't mean you can't gain insight to how Newton treated and thought of mathematics or that learning his life story is a bad thing, it's pretty insightful and enlightening, but if you're a christian trying to make an appeal he really wasn't so great a person on some other accounts. 5 years in early life of breath taking insight followed by paranoia, politics playing, and BSing around with alchemy and being a nut. Crazy and Genius, it's a thin line that separates the two.
Einstein's God is/was my own personal God. I am a Natural Pantheist. The Universe is the Oracle of Truth. The Universe has delivered me Answers to Questions as to what is fact and what is not. And there are Questions the Oracle cannot answer. How can the Universe (including any and all gods) Be at all? Whence the Universe (or if God caused the Universe except for God) or whence God?
That knowledge is outside the realm of the most powerful Oracle: our Universe.
Next there are 7 auras. Those are Doors - One can enter by concentration and big interest. - The Highest - The Crown Chakra gives as a secondary gift complete information about the Universe structure -
I wrote some about all that in comprehensable words in my profile -
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About the workings of theMind in the Brain I commented some if you type : Rupert+Spira+2 or 4 ( I forgot) perhaps +ANKHATON goes faster
Andrea Ghez is an astronomer and professor in the Department of Physics and Astronomy at UCLA. With her team, she found the super massive black holes at centre of Milkyway.
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The great artist gave as two eyes in symmetry. two ears, a mouth, two arms, legs, so when you dig into the body and you find the hart, you mite expect to find the same on the other side.. but the Great Artist changed just there! this is one of the things that make Christianity unique.... it goes "rite" were nature goes "rite" and "Wrong" were nature goes "wrong" ... Modified from GK Chesterton" is it possible that i got so many thumbs down that the comment was removed??
I agree with the Great Artist. you mentioned...100% right. I would not limit this view to one religious view...perhaps the native Indians of America understood this Great Artist better with their living philosophy and harmony with nature...without the knowledge or requirement of a holy book or a guide !
Yogilix, thanks for replying! i do think you have a point worth looking at! I am very sure most religons have some sort of similar view on this.. the reason i used Christianty as the example is because Gk Chesterton used it to distinguish the Christians from other religions.. and he did it in a way that made allot of sense to me.. I am a Christian and we tend to believe that we ALWAYS know better although this is often not the case! I will look deeper into your point.. Thanks again!
Last time I checked in nature water molecules don't suddenly turn into wine, humans are not born from virgins and the dead stay dead. There seems to be little overlap between the ideas of Christianity and the way the natural world functions.
Ok i see were u are coming from and you have a point.But let me say this.. water molecule do turn into wine.. Humans are born from other humans.. But the things you are talking about has skipped some of natures processes like going into a grape first and being fertilized by a man.. I agree totally that this is not the way nature does it and if it was nobody would have written it. It was done to prove the power that God has over his creation. defeating deaf has also got something to do with this
Lol at the "water molecule do turn into wine", have you ever heard of fermentation ? As far as natural process, nothing is skipped. New species do not emerge overnight, got it ? You creationists make me sick.
TheHooraman, looking at what you said, as well as your spelling and grammar. Its easy to see that you are only a little kid.
Let me tell you something about the grown up that told you the stuff you are repeating here. They lied to you. When people grow up they realize that virgin births and magic water to wine tricks are very very silly and dont really happen.
My advice is stay away from anyone who tells you lies like this. And try reading a few books that are not written by liars.
Long2john, Thank you for replying to me! I am Afrikaans so my english is a bit shaky to say the least : ) because we believe in a almighty God we believe in miracles, If he created the universe he can change it? would you not agree? I will have a logic conversation with anyone.. but lets try to keep the insults out of this!!
TheHooraman, A calm logical and honest conversation would be good. However I have noticed that people who say there is a magic man in the sky who controls everything tend to claim any argument they cant answer to be insulting.
About your question. No I dont agree. There is no reason to suppose something created the Universe on purpose. And the idea of supernatural miracles is silly. For what possible reason would you think that anyone has ever been able to magically turn water into wine?
Long2John, My question was IF this God existed would he be able to do these things. but lets move on..
there is only two logical reasons why i believe in a God.
1) Science proofs the universe had to start somewhere it could not have been there forever!
2)is the old intelligent design idea.. to me the odds are VERY highly stacked against something so complex happening by chance.. go GOOGLE a single cell!
I try to seek proof and were there is a lack i look at the ods!
1)Science does not prove such thing, there is also a theory where a universes follow each other in series of crushes and bangs. Science does not know what was "before".
2) To me the odds are still higher against that something created all of this, than it all happening by "chance".
My question for all ID-nuts is why such an "intelligent" designer would leave us with wisdom tooths, hernia, and other really usefull stuf? Doesn't feel very intelligent to create somethng so flawed as we are.
TheHooraman, I dont get your first reason. The Universe had a beginning therefore you think there is a god. I dont see what one thing has to do with the other.
As for your second reason. Of course something as complex as a cell could not exist by chance. That is obviously ridiculous. What you should do is look up evolution for an explanation of why complex organisms exist. Its not by chance and its not by design, but there is a logical reason why it happened.
1) You have been misinformed. Scientists have made no such grandiose claims. What Science has shown for the last 100 years is that ideas based on human intuition, like "it could not have been there forever", are too limited to understand the weirdness of nature.
2) Evolution explains why in regions with malaria humans evolve a higher rate of sickle-cell disease. What does the "intelligent design idea" tell us about the prevalence of these deadly genetic variations in some regions of the world?
I glance in the comments and see that there is a religious discussion. I then scan through the lot of posts looking for the first comment with grade school level spelling and grammar to find the Christian. It works every time. The co-relation between religion and intelligence is very significant.
Nonsense and poppycock. Let's test this symmetry of yours a little.
(a) The universe around us has lasted 14+ billion years - therefore, I can expect the same amount of time in the afterlife.
(b) I have an appendix in this life - therefore, in the afterllife, I shall have a perfect appendix, just like the Egyptians said.
GK Chesterson is a *bad philosopher*, like CS Lewis... wishful thinkers, anorexic on actualities, committed in advance to preventing the spread of secular knowledge.
What's your question? You mean, "Figments of imagination without any real counterpart"?
No, I don't think working in multi-dimensional space is "just" a rationalization, but a working hypothesis that has many real-world implications that you're probably taking for granted.
Why did you limit yourself to four dimensions? Isn't that a bit arbitrary?
Hahaha. Honestly I was just not born with a very mathematical sided brain, yet the way he explains and the entire subject after a while started to make a different kind of sense.
I don't know why there are all these angry comments. I thought this lecture was great and really made me passionate about math!! Which is a miracle for someone like me, by the way.
I think I missed the point of this completely. What's he going on about..and why is all that significant? Where does he start on the symmetries of nature?
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cut it out back there !!
weaselidiotu 6 months ago
. J. Kruger and D. Dunning attributed these ASYMMETRIC errors to differences in metacognitive skill. A replication study showed no evidence for mediation effects for any of several candidate variables ASYMMETRIC errors were expected because of statistical regression and the general better-than-average (BTA) heuristic. Consistent with this parsimonious model, errors were no longer ASYMMETRIC when either regression or the BTA effect was statistically removed.
ASYMMETRY is reality
SYMMETRY = god
islandbuoy4 7 months ago
islandbuoy4 7 months ago
MARCUS: "In everything... uniformity is undesirable"
ROLEX: "A Passion for Perfection"
how ironic...
darkbluemars 9 months ago
2... well you should've sat down earlier *facepalm*
JAMamation 9 months ago
It's important to remember that the universe exists as we know it because of an asymmetry. But I really like his quote regarding that breaking symmetry leaves room to grow :)
jimmayl1 9 months ago
anomalies are OFTEN asymmetrical
WHY?
islandbuoy4 9 months ago
fine line exists between symmetry and asymmetry
an object that is asymmetrical can be rotationally symmetrical...
AND hey if symmetry is such a WOW
two things....
WHY do those temples have an asymmetrical error AND WHY is matter and anti-matter asymmetrical?
This guy has his math, art, and the big picture kinda screwed up.
namaste
islandbuoy4 9 months ago
@islandbuoy4 And your the expert?
rjravaz 9 months ago
@islandbuoy4 Can you name an asymmetrical object that is rotationally symmetric? By definition, an asymmetrical object is something that is LACKING symmetry of any kind. By that definition, an asymmetrical object cannot be rotationally symmetric.
jimmayl1 9 months ago
islandbuoy4 9 months ago
@islandbuoy4
in regards to my last comment....let me save you years of work, research
do a search of:
'swastika asymmetry theory of everything'
The first 9 returns are worth investigating.
namaste
Raphael
islandbuoy4 9 months ago
@islandbuoy4 Again, asymmetry is something that LACKS symmetry. Rotational symmetry is a type of symmetry. Therefore a swastika is not an asymmetrical object, because it is not lacking symmetry, since it has rotational symmetry.
jimmayl1 9 months ago
islandbuoy4 9 months ago
@islandbuoy4 No need to get upset and/or hostile. I guess where you define an asymmetrical object depends on your axis of reference. A swastika might be asymmetric with respect to the Cartesian axes, but not the polar ones.
jimmayl1 9 months ago
@jimmayl1
maybe #1 jimmy wants to bring his best debate to a forum/thread discussing asymMEtry?
cut and paste in your web browser and join in:
2012forumdotcom/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=21874&start=60
*scroll down* to the Alphabet Soup Puzzle.
join the 2012forum, tell them Raphael sent you.
namaste
islandbuoy4 9 months ago
@islandbuoy4 I don't think there is anything more to discuss, is there? Obviously how when you define symmetry, you refer to at least one axis. I would hazard a guess that a rotationally symmetric object can be defined by a cartesianally symmetric contour in the complex plane. I've taken up to the third year maths at a university level (and done quite well with them), so I think that my opinion does hold at least some merit. This argument has nothing to do with 2012 as it stands.
jimmayl1 9 months ago
@jimmayl1
your argument is based on ignorance of geometry
why is that my problem jimmay?
your BS degree cannot explain why Stonehenge, many of the henges, wood and stone, were geometrically mapped out ASYMMETRICALLY.
U R typical of the idiots who step outside their field of specialty.
Algebra is LEFT brain and GEOMETRY is RIGHT brain language.
jimmay needs to go back to ART school and expand his atrophied RIGHT brain.
end of story
islandbuoy4 8 months ago
@islandbuoy4 Look, I told you not to get hostile. I don't get your problem. I don't know if you mean 'bachelor of science' or 'bullshit' degree when you say BS, but based on your hostility I'd guess it were the latter. Don't tell me this is out of my field. I'm taking computational geometry courses. Be a real scientist and have some respect for peers. I have not once been hostile towards you. I've read your threads. You seem to continually bring up irrelevant points and say nothing relevant.
jimmayl1 8 months ago
@jimmayl1
"your BS degree cannot explain why Stonehenge, many of the henges, wood and stone, were geometrically mapped out ASYMMETRICALLY."
That bit of the Dunning-Kruger's comment should tell loads! He has no understanding of mathematics, nor of physics, nor of archaeology it seems! I've studied all three, although my undergrad major is in psychology; so I'm nowhere near as far up as you are with your comp-geom! We should ignore IB4 as a troll, methinks.
All the best, mate!
David
psychobollox 8 months ago
@psychobollox Thanks for your support David. I don't think IB4 knows what he is talking about, but he's certainly no troll. He linked me to a forum where he's been posting rants that go in circles like this for some time. Either way, I'd try not to get involved.
He does have a little bit of a point (I don't think he made it though) that asymmetrical objects can have symmetry, since it depends where you define the symmetric axes. But that doesn't mean he is saying anything here either :P
jimmayl1 8 months ago
@jimmayl1
Welcome!
Well, I'm not sure about asymmetrics having symmerties - reasons obvious - but I can see how projections can give rise to some mappings that look symmetrical when you look at them as larger neighbourhoods and points within those neighbourhoods, but - well, his example was crap.
All the best with the comp-geom... I just hope you can find a good therapist to help you reconstruct your mind when you get back out of that stuff ;) Have fun :)
psychobollox 8 months ago
@jimmayl1
ya gotta love the ignorant types that suggest my asymmetrical mind needs help.
what a bunch of stupid asymmetrical less than perfect humans you are.
matter and anti-matter are asymmetrical
ALL THE BUILDING BLOCKS THAT MAKE UP LIFE ARE ASYMMETRICAL
duh INCLUDING DNA AND AMINO ACIDS AND AND AND
ignorant plus stupid humans= arrogant
the mob is usually WRONG
islandbuoy4 7 months ago
islandbuoy4 7 months ago
@islandbuoy4
"the swastika is ASYMMETRICAL but rotationally symmetrical."
Oh boy. What bit of ASYMMETRICAL did you not get? It means 'has NO symmetry'. In other words, if it has ROTATIONAL symmetry, then it has SYMMETRY, ergo cannot be ASYMMETRICAL.
I don't know about seeing a pattern, but I think I can spot a Dunning-Kruger type trying to argue that black is both black AND white! Jimmyl1 is right. You messed up by trying to show that you're and expert in something you don't understand.
psychobollox 8 months ago
@psychobollox
and I can spot an idiot who does NOT understand the basics re: symmetry
@ 2:50 Marcus shows human faces and discusses 'SYMMETRY'
DUH
FACES are asymmetrical
is everybody STUPID!!!
islandbuoy4 7 months ago
@islandbuoy4
You're a total fuckwit, aren't you? It's clear that you do not understand mathematics and you do not understand English either. You have no head for science. And you don't know when to stop digging when you've dug yourself into a hole of stupidity. Faces are SLIGHTLY asymmetrical, but they are more SYMMETRICAL than they are not symmetrical.
jimmayl1 is still right: you are trying to make yourself out to be an expert in an area you have no real understanding of.
Now fuck off!
psychobollox 7 months ago
islandbuoy4 7 months ago
@jimmayl1
duh your question is soooooooo easy to answer.
the right rotating SWASTIKA is asymmetrical
its symmetrical twin is the left rotating asymmetrical SWASTIKA
duh why else do you think this symbol is so powerful
islandbuoy4 7 months ago
@jimmayl1
jimmy is wrong wrong wrong
the LEFT ROTATING ASYMMETRICAL SWASTIKA has a 'symmetrical twin', the RIGHT ROTATING ASYMMETRICAL SWASTIKA....
this symbol, the OLDEST most traveled symbol over HISTORY, is a KEY to understanding ASYMMETRY
islandbuoy4 7 months ago
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@islandbuoy4 I don't even know what you're accusing me of being wrong of anymore, you're not making any sense. Do you mean that you ARE perfect?
jimmayl1 7 months ago
wow please shoot me
wildgrem 10 months ago
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I dont understand thats why I fast forward it coz bores me, I mean the way he makes his lecture.
earthangelrojanie 1 year ago
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I dont understand thats why I fast forward it coz bores me, I mean the way he makes his lecture.
earthangelrojanie 1 year ago
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I dont understand thats why I fast forward it coz bores me, I mean the way he makes his lecture.
earthangelrojanie 1 year ago
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earthangelrojanie 1 year ago
@earthangelrojanie Your English bothers me as well.
Zenome 1 year ago
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@Zenome " Your English bothers me as well." if i ask u to speak in my first language for sure you will bother me the same way
earthangelrojanie 1 year ago
That ghez woman that won work for one of the big astronomical telescopes. Seen her many times in space documentaries.
ThermalHD 1 year ago
love the guy :)
MaraimH 1 year ago
Sautoy's books are absolutely amazing. They combine an ivy league mathematician's intellect with excellent writing skills. Sautoy was an excellent replacement for Dawkins and Imo, is a better writer.
OrderoftheWhiteHand 1 year ago 7
wow
FloridaYalta 1 year ago
wow
FloridaYalta 1 year ago
wow
FloridaYalta 1 year ago
wow
FloridaYalta 1 year ago
Richard Dawkins is much better than this guy...
94jmcorrea 1 year ago
@94jmcorrea she is now immortal, with her surname with it.. forever.. Richard Dawkins is not better nor lesser than Mr. Sautoy. A biologist > A Mathematician? I dont think so.
PatrickLars 1 year ago
@94jmcorrea true
earthangelrojanie 1 year ago
MY ANSWER IS 512 LOL. 8x8x8 lol. square has 8 symmetries and there you go. lol.
impulsive2urge 1 year ago
verily, creating watches out of pink gold is the passion of kings
DoJaenin 1 year ago 2
Practicing loving kindness and mindfulness with the knowledge that everything is in fact One is a mental illness? I'm sorry, but I happen to know for a fact that you are wrong in this instance. Don't worry, I used to be wrong, too.
weddingvideosyt 2 years ago
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fadia604 1 year ago
Hottides, I'm glad your left brain works well. But it's useless without your right brain.
weddingvideosyt 2 years ago
Religion is a mental illness that cripples both cerebral hemispheres.
Hottides 2 years ago
Fascinating talk about transcendently beautiful mathematics. However, I wish Du Sotauy would stop using religious metaphors like "things unseen" to communicate his wonder. Mathematics is the quintessential rational pursuit, whose epistemology and method form the model and ideal for all inquiry and reasoning. Religion by contrast is the deadly antithesis of reason. Using inchoate, empty metaphors to describe higher dimensional symmetry desecrates the splendor of reason incarnate.
Hottides 2 years ago
@Hottides I think in this instance he is talking about conceptual entities that cannot physically exist in our universe, and so literally cannot be seen with our eyes. Nothing to do with religion. Although I do happen to agree with your ideas on religion. I view religion more like a kind of virus.
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el 13 de octubre de 1991
un niño llamado nick se tiro de un puente devido a problemas familiares
si ya leiste esto deves copiar y pegar
en otros 5 videos mas o si no
nick vendra por toda tu familia
haslo o moriran porfavor hasme caso
yo lo lei y lo hise & si es verdad..la familia de un amigo murio hace una semana
Es en vrdad horribleeeeeeeeee
cakeharima 2 years ago
i wouldnt say that people would choose the lower two faces as more beautiful. it always looks awkward and unpleasant when faces ae perfectly symmetrical. so as the japanese essay confirms: "uniformity is undesirable." symmetry too, id say..
zebrumera 2 years ago
I got 26 digits lol
rinwhr 2 years ago
damn..
rinwhr 2 years ago
sorry can "any one" tell me how she did the math for it,,or how any way?,,coz I'm not really that good to understand this talk "lingual".
just need a simple hint or a special time in this talk to focus on.
thanx.
jenjerx 2 years ago
I gave the lecturer a standing ovation. :)
anoopmknair 2 years ago 14
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Jesus Christ. Marcus du Sautoy is a knobhead. Hey may be a very capable Algebraic Number Theorist, but he has suffered from mass media overexposure, and the level to which his programs and "lectures" dum down is unforgivable. And what about his history of Mathematics programs? God, in the words of my History of Maths lecturer from Cambridge (Dr. Piers Bursill Hall), "Marcus Du Sautoy is the Oxford Professor of Stupid, and I have never seen so many fallacies in one program"
Gadgets7777777 5 months ago
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Well... I'm no mathematician, and I'm just fascinated by this lecture. Guess I need more reading on the subject. Dumbing down is what popular science is all about and as I mentioned I can't tell if he overdoes it. Thanks for comment anyway.
anoopmknair 5 months ago
@anoopmknair I think this is the kind of man that we need for the 21th century
odinheim 5 months ago
@Gadgets7777777 Come back when you've learnt how to spell.
rockxtream 3 months ago
That rolex ad at the end was kinda neat, lol.
w1011457 2 years ago
Wow. people study symmetry?! i didn't realise it could be read this deeply. O_o ... so knowing all this.. what do we do with it? =/
Crazee108 2 years ago
You don't have to necessarily need to have a practical use for something. It's the joy in studying Mathematics that's the reason for even concerning yourself with it. Like Art, in my opinion there is no practical use for it but people take joy in viewing and expressing themselves within it.
master1140 2 years ago
Fair call. Art is different though... that's a creative thing, to express your inner feelings/thoughts/ideas etc and comes in many different forms. I guess symmetry is also a sense of art then isn't it? we do find symmetrical things more likable.
Crazee108 2 years ago
You couldn't begin to imagine just how far mathmatics take things like this.
There are some very obvious applications, such as theories about universal order, architectural development, and even the biology of life. Everything that exists has symmetry, and understanding it will help you understand everything.
But again, it can go even deeper than that. The best way to say it, I guess, is "if you take the red pill, you stay in wonderland, and I will show you just how deep the rabbit hole goes."
Psycherz 2 years ago
ahhh thanks for shedding light on this man. =]
Crazee108 2 years ago
OMFG he writes math liek i do, cept neater.
fix520 2 years ago
Genial !!
etiennealive 2 years ago
Galois was a genius, if he had a longer life, he would have found something very very special IMO
Caporacolo 2 years ago
Reality itself is necessarily asymmetric. The slight excess of negative energy at the Beginning, anti-gravity, to leave our expanding universe. There had to have been the slight asymmetry of matter over anti-matter. Asymmetry is what makes things interesting. Tiny asymmetries: as natural as natural can get.
The essence of Reality is minuscule asymmetry.
George4943 2 years ago
huhu was geht bin so einsam wer will mit mir schreibn hab auch bilder
SexiBabeiMausi91 2 years ago
I can't help thinking he maybe could have showed us the 2D or 3D representation of the Ghez shape.
mooxim 2 years ago
from what I gathered, it was a higher dimensional symmetry. So no point in reducing it to a lower dimension.
insanelycreative 2 years ago
The winner of the Rubik's cube game was Andrea Ghez, an astrophysicist at UCLA.
lllamlll 2 years ago
Hmmm nice... and therefore im not only one who think about that once in a while x)!
VooDooMadMan 2 years ago
Numbers are more fundamental than symmetry.
LeMegasandwich 2 years ago
But if symmetry can be only explain by numbers and mathematic they are not same in some way :P?
VooDooMadMan 2 years ago
Good point. I'm not a real mathematician anyway. Physicist.
LeMegasandwich 2 years ago
Loss of teeth and development of jowls and irregular creases reduce the symmetrical features of the face. Asymmetry can also be a result of aging.
slessorpr 2 years ago
that video started out slow and loving, then moved to quick and jack hammer like, until it climaxed at the end
lizlena789 2 years ago
I just ate the hottest buffalo wings and scratched my crotch.. It hurts sooo bad
jennbootz349 2 years ago
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That was incredibly stupid of you. At least you didn't put extra hot tabasco in your japs eye. That would've been even stupider.
AlmightScoop 2 years ago
Well said Philkapune. i question the tenuous nature of our perceptions too and from day one of our lives reality is a construct we presume others see as we do. Agreed, proof of anything is hard to find I grant you, but doesen't the thought of a real one sided object tickle you at all ?
slessorpr 2 years ago
lame! whats the point in wasting all that money making objects unseen lol
ccccyyyrruuussss 2 years ago
You mean, like God?
milou66 2 years ago
I put my bf to shame.. He cant keep up with my sex drive
mariamakenzie287 2 years ago
Sorry, but it's unclear how upbringing relates to symmetry. Anyone?
thewhitebarrywhite 2 years ago
idk, maybe he meant that parents didn't beat the crap out of the kid, so he remaind symmetrical?;)
semigotbanned 2 years ago
Upbringing relates to symmetry because physical appearance arises from a combination of both genetic and environmental factors.
If a fully grown adult has symmetrical features, of course it indicates a fairly solid genetic background. It also indicates an upbringing in which he or she was protected from extreme heat or cold, malnutrition, disease, serious injury, heavy physical labor, etc.
Many factors can take away an unprotected child's symmetrical features, no matter how good their genes.
kevintype 2 years ago
kevintype, asymmetry can also be the marker of an exceptional individual. Lack of symmetry is just as important in identifying unique or outstanding individuals. Asymmetry in an adult can be just as indicative of 'special' circumstances in the individuals life and upbringing.
slessorpr 2 years ago
Slessorpr, there is some truth to what you say, although it is beyond the scope of what I'm talking about.
In my previous comment I was not attempting to address all possible effects of symmetry or asymmetry. I was merely answering one specific question asked by "thewhitebarrywhite" in reference to the speaker's statements about symmetry being related to upbringing.
kevintype 2 years ago
The mechanism of action by which strong genetic facial symmetry is broken is unclear . In the case of extreme hot or cold, would it be in the many years of enduring the physical discomfort that the shape of the face grows into a slightly different form? Seems a stretch. Heavy physical labor over an extended period may mishape the body, but the face?
thewhitebarrywhite 2 years ago
Its due to embryonic development. Bad genes = shoddy development.
AlmightScoop 2 years ago
Whitebarrywhite, do you agree that serious physical injury can result in formerly symmetrical features losing their symmetry?
If not, I'm afraid I can't help you any further.
If so, you agree that symmetry can be related to upbringing. Arguing over edge cases is merely straining at gnats.
kevintype 2 years ago
That physical injury could disrupt facial symmetry is self-evident, but such obviousness does not extend to all the other areas of upbringing supposedly impacting the face you've mentioned.. I'm frankly just trying to understand what you mean by extremes of hot or cold having an impact, or physical labor. Facial symmetry, as referred to in the above video, is fixed (obviously exluding sudden physical harm, a violent attack, an accident, and so on). Are you presenting another side of the matter?
thewhitebarrywhite 2 years ago
Whitebarrywhite, it's well known that extreme cold can lead to frostbite. In a hot climate, failure to shelter a child can lead to dehydration. Severe sunburn, possibly resulting in skin cancer, is another hazard. Heavy labor, like malnutrition, can increase vulnerability to many other diseases.
Any of these can affect the appearance, leading to loss of symmetry.
I am not referring to anything more mysterious then these rather obvious effects of environment.
Any more gnats bothering you?
kevintype 2 years ago
Try not to take matters so personally. It's obvious with frostbite, skin cancer, etc, and that's all rather uncommon. More interesting, however, is what I assumed you were referring to: that conditions prevelant among lower income families could, over years of prolonged exposure, disrupt facial symmetery, in essence creating the embittered look that invites a one form of fate. Perhaps re-read Horatio Alger and consider the famous protagonist of that tale in that light. Cheers.
thewhitebarrywhite 2 years ago
Whitebarrywhite, I apologize for my impatience. Busy times.
You raise a valid point, if I understand you correctly, that economic and social status can affect physical symmetry, and thus our ability to perceive beauty in a person's features.
Of course there is also the school of thought that says these "flaws" create a person's unique marks of character, and confer a more genuine beauty -- but that is beyond the scope of the speaker's remarks.
Thank you for an interesting conversation.
kevintype 2 years ago
The artist of symmetry, M.C.Escher cd answer most of this chaps questions, and then pose one of his own that ties science in a knot, like, how can the infamous Moebius strip exist? It is an impossible, but genuinely one sided object! No one can deny it exists, yet how do you explain it? You can make this one sided strip with a piece of paper - then get the kids to explain to you how a one dimensional object can exist in the real world. Of course - it must be some sort of trick! Only it's not...
slessorpr 2 years ago
Patronize much?
Yonchitube 2 years ago
What's not happening in LHC! :) Ha- ha!
iliyan17 2 years ago 5
Yep, I lol'd.
Psypomp 2 years ago
watching this makes me feel really stupid!
Zazeebee 2 years ago
first
kupu2pagi 2 years ago
ich träume davon dass sich jemand findet der sich um mich kümmert
SexyLenaa91 2 years ago
That kid is not going to grow up to become a mathematician, that's for sure :)
xr0 2 years ago
wow, so much mathematical pointlessness.
morfeo82 2 years ago
What does he mean by "working" with 4,5, and sixth dimentional objects? I didn't know we had evidence of any other dimensions beyond the 4th!
armelix73 2 years ago
Well time is a temporal dimension, but he means of course a spatial one. Those higher dimensions are abstract. They don't need to exist in reality to be conceived and worked with. Look up "polychora".
LokiClock 2 years ago
Thanks!
armelix73 2 years ago
In maths there can be any number of dimensions you dream up. Search for "Alan and Marcus Go Forth and Multiply". In physics there are possibly 11 'real' dimensions. Search for "BBC Horizon Parallel Universes".
LGD3 2 years ago
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zorztronic 2 years ago
But to end this now.. I just posted my original comment from GK chesterton because the video reminded me of it. If you dont agree with me its ok!! I did not expect you to! but i still have a rite to air my views just like you have the rite to air your views?
Thanks to those who have responded! We can pm if you like!
TheHooraman 2 years ago
Oh, nice twist with the contest and the prize were awesome!!
BFDK 2 years ago
This symmetric object seems quite famous now that is has been mentioned and even named at TED, so maybe I could write a Wikipedia entry on it, no?
Thymonico 2 years ago
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bersa888 2 years ago 9
So Einstein, Issac Newton and many eastern Scientist and great Maths educators are nut cases now are they?
Psalm23YHVH 2 years ago
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you are a dumbass man, you have no knowledge and no history, you just listen to lies from textbooks, you have no wisdom and philoposhy, forget it people like you think they are God thats why I will praise the Most High Lord when he puts revenge on you Amen
Psalm23YHVH 2 years ago
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bersa888 2 years ago 2
Well there's a good forgiving christian! Tolerance has allways been the weak point of religious nuts. And bible? That isn't a textbook? Written by men who thought earth is flat and the centre of the kosmos, sun revolving around it and not the other way around? There is even a passage in leviticus where people are instructed to stone women to death if they are not virgins at their wedding night!? That in the textbook of loving and omnipotent, allforgiving "god"? Snap out of it!
N3m3cis 2 years ago
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be silent
Psalm23YHVH 2 years ago
Einstiens God wasn't what you think it is, he even said himself that Gods are a product of human ignorance. Naturalistic Pantheism, as the priest used to send letters of protest to Spinoza, because it is in fact underhanded atheism, simply applying the same mystical reverence one give to God to the natural world and it's workings as God. Newton was a nut case, or at least a very terrible person, albeit a very mathematically gifted one. When appealing to authority, ProTip: Don't mention Newton.
Slip819 2 years ago
That of course doesn't mean you can't gain insight to how Newton treated and thought of mathematics or that learning his life story is a bad thing, it's pretty insightful and enlightening, but if you're a christian trying to make an appeal he really wasn't so great a person on some other accounts. 5 years in early life of breath taking insight followed by paranoia, politics playing, and BSing around with alchemy and being a nut. Crazy and Genius, it's a thin line that separates the two.
Slip819 2 years ago
Einstein's God is/was my own personal God. I am a Natural Pantheist. The Universe is the Oracle of Truth. The Universe has delivered me Answers to Questions as to what is fact and what is not. And there are Questions the Oracle cannot answer. How can the Universe (including any and all gods) Be at all? Whence the Universe (or if God caused the Universe except for God) or whence God?
That knowledge is outside the realm of the most powerful Oracle: our Universe.
George4943 2 years ago
The Human Body has 8 input/outputs to know.
The primitive one to survive is the Brain.
Next there are 7 auras. Those are Doors - One can enter by concentration and big interest. - The Highest - The Crown Chakra gives as a secondary gift complete information about the Universe structure -
I wrote some about all that in comprehensable words in my profile -
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About the workings of theMind in the Brain I commented some if you type : Rupert+Spira+2 or 4 ( I forgot) perhaps +ANKHATON goes faster
ankhaton 2 years ago
Numb3rs cameo!
kalaway 2 years ago
that bitch cheated
NewJDubs 2 years ago
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lizlena789 2 years ago
The Gehz group - what a coincidence!
Andrea Ghez is an astronomer and professor in the Department of Physics and Astronomy at UCLA. With her team, she found the super massive black holes at centre of Milkyway.
yogilix 2 years ago
Ok I gave this a fair try, but now I go back to listening Kyuss.
doloppost 2 years ago
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The great artist gave as two eyes in symmetry. two ears, a mouth, two arms, legs, so when you dig into the body and you find the hart, you mite expect to find the same on the other side.. but the Great Artist changed just there! this is one of the things that make Christianity unique.... it goes "rite" were nature goes "rite" and "Wrong" were nature goes "wrong" ... Modified from GK Chesterton" is it possible that i got so many thumbs down that the comment was removed??
TheHooraman 2 years ago
I agree with the Great Artist. you mentioned...100% right. I would not limit this view to one religious view...perhaps the native Indians of America understood this Great Artist better with their living philosophy and harmony with nature...without the knowledge or requirement of a holy book or a guide !
yogilix 2 years ago
Yogilix, thanks for replying! i do think you have a point worth looking at! I am very sure most religons have some sort of similar view on this.. the reason i used Christianty as the example is because Gk Chesterton used it to distinguish the Christians from other religions.. and he did it in a way that made allot of sense to me.. I am a Christian and we tend to believe that we ALWAYS know better although this is often not the case! I will look deeper into your point.. Thanks again!
TheHooraman 2 years ago
Last time I checked in nature water molecules don't suddenly turn into wine, humans are not born from virgins and the dead stay dead. There seems to be little overlap between the ideas of Christianity and the way the natural world functions.
mbruck77 2 years ago 3
Ok i see were u are coming from and you have a point.But let me say this.. water molecule do turn into wine.. Humans are born from other humans.. But the things you are talking about has skipped some of natures processes like going into a grape first and being fertilized by a man.. I agree totally that this is not the way nature does it and if it was nobody would have written it. It was done to prove the power that God has over his creation. defeating deaf has also got something to do with this
TheHooraman 2 years ago
Lol at the "water molecule do turn into wine", have you ever heard of fermentation ? As far as natural process, nothing is skipped. New species do not emerge overnight, got it ? You creationists make me sick.
fishonbicycle 2 years ago
"New species do not emerge overnight, got it ? You creationists make me sick. "
"Scientists" create them every day
Got it?
wreckerpecker 2 years ago
TheHooraman, looking at what you said, as well as your spelling and grammar. Its easy to see that you are only a little kid.
Let me tell you something about the grown up that told you the stuff you are repeating here. They lied to you. When people grow up they realize that virgin births and magic water to wine tricks are very very silly and dont really happen.
My advice is stay away from anyone who tells you lies like this. And try reading a few books that are not written by liars.
Long2John 2 years ago
Just because you don't know about it does not mean it can't be done.
matafixer 2 years ago
Long2john, Thank you for replying to me! I am Afrikaans so my english is a bit shaky to say the least : ) because we believe in a almighty God we believe in miracles, If he created the universe he can change it? would you not agree? I will have a logic conversation with anyone.. but lets try to keep the insults out of this!!
TheHooraman 2 years ago
TheHooraman, A calm logical and honest conversation would be good. However I have noticed that people who say there is a magic man in the sky who controls everything tend to claim any argument they cant answer to be insulting.
About your question. No I dont agree. There is no reason to suppose something created the Universe on purpose. And the idea of supernatural miracles is silly. For what possible reason would you think that anyone has ever been able to magically turn water into wine?
Long2John 2 years ago 2
Long2John, My question was IF this God existed would he be able to do these things. but lets move on..
there is only two logical reasons why i believe in a God.
1) Science proofs the universe had to start somewhere it could not have been there forever!
2)is the old intelligent design idea.. to me the odds are VERY highly stacked against something so complex happening by chance.. go GOOGLE a single cell!
I try to seek proof and were there is a lack i look at the ods!
I think you do the same?
TheHooraman 2 years ago
1)Science does not prove such thing, there is also a theory where a universes follow each other in series of crushes and bangs. Science does not know what was "before".
2) To me the odds are still higher against that something created all of this, than it all happening by "chance".
My question for all ID-nuts is why such an "intelligent" designer would leave us with wisdom tooths, hernia, and other really usefull stuf? Doesn't feel very intelligent to create somethng so flawed as we are.
N3m3cis 2 years ago 2
TheHooraman, I dont get your first reason. The Universe had a beginning therefore you think there is a god. I dont see what one thing has to do with the other.
As for your second reason. Of course something as complex as a cell could not exist by chance. That is obviously ridiculous. What you should do is look up evolution for an explanation of why complex organisms exist. Its not by chance and its not by design, but there is a logical reason why it happened.
Long2John 2 years ago
1) You have been misinformed. Scientists have made no such grandiose claims. What Science has shown for the last 100 years is that ideas based on human intuition, like "it could not have been there forever", are too limited to understand the weirdness of nature.
2) Evolution explains why in regions with malaria humans evolve a higher rate of sickle-cell disease. What does the "intelligent design idea" tell us about the prevalence of these deadly genetic variations in some regions of the world?
mbruck77 2 years ago 2
I glance in the comments and see that there is a religious discussion. I then scan through the lot of posts looking for the first comment with grade school level spelling and grammar to find the Christian. It works every time. The co-relation between religion and intelligence is very significant.
jidar 2 years ago
Nonsense and poppycock. Let's test this symmetry of yours a little.
(a) The universe around us has lasted 14+ billion years - therefore, I can expect the same amount of time in the afterlife.
(b) I have an appendix in this life - therefore, in the afterllife, I shall have a perfect appendix, just like the Egyptians said.
GK Chesterson is a *bad philosopher*, like CS Lewis... wishful thinkers, anorexic on actualities, committed in advance to preventing the spread of secular knowledge.
jamespfp 2 years ago
surprised he didn't talk about fractals
Dilliboy63 2 years ago 4
I have to take a nap now
luticia 2 years ago
Are dimensions beyond four just rationalizations?
humanist7117 2 years ago
What's your question? You mean, "Figments of imagination without any real counterpart"?
No, I don't think working in multi-dimensional space is "just" a rationalization, but a working hypothesis that has many real-world implications that you're probably taking for granted.
Why did you limit yourself to four dimensions? Isn't that a bit arbitrary?
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supermaucat 2 years ago
This is interesting I've heard before that symmetry is more beautiful.
Shaunt1 2 years ago
I'll be honest here, this whole talk went straight over my head. This is maths far beyond what I understand.
Angaraman 2 years ago 2
Hahaha. Honestly I was just not born with a very mathematical sided brain, yet the way he explains and the entire subject after a while started to make a different kind of sense.
I'm not sure how.
CelestialPlatypuses 2 years ago
the fact that it's sponsored by rolex is a good thing,
buitenkliniek 2 years ago
there is so much symmetry in a Rolex
raguv2000 2 years ago
wait, what was the object he invented? i don't get it.
NegativeNick 2 years ago
I guessed 54..
Kan2209 2 years ago
yeah, what NwZ2 said. He even mentions it in the video briefly. The 6 corner shape has no reflectional symmetry.
madgamer23 2 years ago
why does he talk like a peasant? is he some sort of an east-ender?
Ramsez 2 years ago
yes, he is. your typical garden variety east ender.
ikeusa 2 years ago
well then i'm glad to see the working classes are doing basic math these days.
Ramsez 2 years ago
feeling about as enthusiastic as his kid looks.8-I
RuleNr34 2 years ago
Symmetry means perfect harmony; an equilibrium of forces. What is one is the other - that is the language of the universe...
ImOnTheTube 2 years ago
I don't know why there are all these angry comments. I thought this lecture was great and really made me passionate about math!! Which is a miracle for someone like me, by the way.
lenaslife 2 years ago