i try make one like your device but poorly materials iam proud to make my own perpetual motion i share it to you use 6 0r 12 marbles your device will be continous rotation...
Really really awesome craftmanship but it will never work... Best-case scenario is in ideal circumstances that it would theoretically just rotating for ever with a small push (without load/producing anything). What you can do is use power (gravity) from an external source, like "free" balls falling from somewhere and you don't need to get them back there, just like how watermills work with water...
I'm torn between liking or disliking this video. On one hand, you can't build a perpetual motion machine. On the other hand, it's a very well made toy that took some craftsmanship to build
Your plan is to have 4 to 5 balls on the outer wheel providing weight to drive the wheel down over a small percentage of the travel of the wheel. On the inner wheel there will be more weights traveling a greater distance so your machine will not work in this design unless you figure out some way to use steel balls and powerful magnets on the down side to provide additional force. Hope that helps with your project. Good luck.
height ball travels up = height ball travels down. The distance of the ball from the center of the wheel makes no difference to how much energy is needed to raise/lower it.
@Pandemicdaband Untrue...there is matter in space. However it is such a small concentration that no negative acceleration rate is measurable.
Perpetual motion is impossible because energy is always lost, if it were possible to conserve energy only withing the objects used for the perpetual motion machine, then perpetual motion could be achieved.
@bigstiggerNo1 I do hope russians do the math first, just like the japs. I'd say Germans as English are trying the practical application of things, so math is irrelevant.
for this to work in its current form factor the mass of the balls would need to change when they move from inner to outer cups... that would be very difficult to achieve .
Your main problem is that gravity is a conservative force... thus you can never get to the same (or higher height) without using the same or more energy.
from wiki: A conservative force is a force with the property that the work done in moving a particle between two points is independent of the path taken
Almost there, keep the good work my friend!!! I like this video cause its different from what we use to see on the internet concerning perpetual motion.
hmm this will actually work perfectly just need the outter wheel to be farther away and ther will be no problem lifting the balls back up to the top, timing it correctly tho is going to be tough other wise it'll jam easily...
Consider that you have a number of balls using their weight to lift an equal amount of balls of equal weight... right? Amounts to no net motion, no matter how you try to work around it.
Another major problem is when the ball is traveling from the inner wheel to the outer wheel it's impacting much to hard to continue motion. Although it mught work but we are talking perpetual motion here and slight misalignments? Impacts? there's bound to be trouble. And much work to do. But keep trying though my inventor frien. Like if you agree.
I am a Power Enginner , and I can tell u Energy conservation law work on Planet earth all the time 24/7 :) Any design u will make , really doesnt matter, cose how little frictions are, they are:)) and that means energy loosesm means in the end will stop.
Another phisics law is THERE ARE NO PERPETUM MOBILE on Earth:)) Sorry to brake it like this:p
perhaps if you could make the balls take a shit off the side of the wheel on the way up and then feed them some twinkies when they are coming back down ......oops..I forgot..you have to sit there and feed the balls, twinkies cost money..
dude this won't work. for an effective leverage effect the outer wheel would have to carry a ball further than it is traveling on the inner wheel - currently the opposite is the case because the relevant arc length in the inner wheel is greater than that of the outer wheel. you could theoretically get this to 100% efficiency in a completely frictionless environment though.
hahaha oh man. gravitational fields are conservative, so it doesn't matter whether your ball is on the inner or outer wheel, it takes at least as much energy to raise a ball as the ball returns when it falls. Everybody like talking about how science has been wrong in the past, but if you just read a scientific argument for why perpetual motion is impossible, you'll be hard-pressed to find any flaws in the reasoning.
@robbiebanana I couldn't get a fix on why gravity wheels won't work until I read this comment. Whatever the ratio of the inner/outer wheels' diameters, that is your mechanical advantage, e.g. 3:1 means every 1 ball on the outer wheel can raise 3 balls on the inner wheel. BUT, the fact that they have the same change in height means the ball on the outer wheel is only on for a third as much angular rotation, so you still need 3 balls to fall to raise 3 balls up. Plus friction = impossible. Thanks!
The model is really nice and one can clearly see the effort that was put into making it. However it is sad that you don't really understand something called the conservation of momentum.
As long as you keep feeding back the balls into your machine it will never work, because the total momentum of the system will be the same so no useful work can be accomplished.
If you let the balls leave the system it'll work fine, but of course the model won't be a perpetual machine anymore :)
@leovalencia10 Thanks for a simple answer. I've been looking at these for sometime and wondering what exactly was their inevitable flaw. I still wonder if gravity is usable though... the sun needs gravity to compress hydrogen past it's own electromagnetic fields so it can fuse, right? Maybe you could shed light on that too.
I have been thinking about why your gravity wheel didn't work and then it hit me. Your gravity wheel will not work because it requires twice the time to pull a marble up as it is to take it down. This means that when the marble goes up, it uses up all its power it created when the marble went down.
@haunhaus you do realize that the "laws" of physics vary, depending on where you are. In theory, it could eventually be possible. (by "eventually" i mean in the godly amount of time that it would take for the earth to move enough to make any real changes. lol)
The guy who apparently has a working version of this says the wheel must be significantly large, and that around 25% of the output energy must be put back into it to make it work.
it's not working due to the fundamental law: ΔEp=mgΔh. In English, that's the change in potential energy is equal to the mass multiplied by gravity, multiplied by the change in height. Even if the wheel was 100% frictionless (Practically impossible) the "falling" ball on the outer wheel only supplies enough energy to lift one ball on the inner wheel. Your design is fine if you wish to make a perpetual motion device, except for friction in the axle and air resistance.
All of these "free energy" machines have one vital flaw, they're all "nearly working but not quite yet", even if you could get them to work infinitely how do you intend to extract energy from it? I say use solar power, after all, that really is free.
@TheFsxmad is it? its free in the fact that we dont have to put energy into it other than building the solar panel itself, nothing is free=P not in physics
NICE MACHINE! I really like this work man! But it will never be a "perpetual motion", it's physicly imposible! If you study the laws of Newton and a little bit more of physics you be in conditions to decide what is possible and what is not possible.
Despite that, i really apreciate your work and dedication, thats a fine work!
Check out the wikipedia page on TORQUE. Apply the equation T=rFsinθ and use it compare all the clockwise torque with all the counter-clockwise torque. This way you will know which way the the wheel will spin before going to the trouble of building it.
It is a very creative idea, I'll give you that. But you'll need a LOT more leverage to lift the balls. It has a bessler wheel flaw, looks like. (Where you end up fighting dead weight.)
The problem with every perpetual system is friction. Get rid of friction, (put it in a vacuum and use magnets) then maybe you might have a perpetual machine.
When I said there are more balls on the inner track I was refuring to height only (altitude) The inner track has more of an arch (curve) than the outer track with less curve. So with a bigger curve (per height length of the balls being droped and set) the inner track holds more balls and each ball don't travel as far of it's own. I had to explain this as I said the inner (smaller) track holds more balls than outer (larger) track. I was refuring to dropping and setting areas only.
Another thing I noticed after further studying the theory is again the inner balls are effectively lighter due to leverage but if you look at this there will be more balls on the inner track withe the same height distance as the number of balls on the outer track. so they are effectively lighter but there's more of them so the weight balences out. So the wheel will never have a reason to rotate on it's own that I can see.
The balls in the inner track may be effectively lighter due to leverage but wont travel as far. So the balls on the outer track (effectively heavier due to leverage) may be able to move the balls on the inner track but they need to travel twice as far as the "heavier" balls will carry them so the balls will never will be in the right location for them to drop at the right point. The balls doing the work can only move the other balls a smaller distance than the outer balls are traveling.
I will tell you, it will work I had the same problem as you. You need more space between inner wheel and outer whell. Somone will tell you It want work, but I know that it will work. I will say that it´s better to know then belive.
To wsriva, there will always be friction, there is no such thing as 'friction free'.
To the guy who built this, good luck on the new machine! These things are always cool to watch and I am absolutely sick and tired of the people who thinks perpetual motion is ridiculous. If you are reading this, please let me know when the functional one is posted.
about as pointless as trying to teach lemons calculus......totally totally impossible, even if you put it out in deep space because even light causes drag!
@dlunday1 Thank you. I've seen so many comments saying "LOLOL YEAH YOUTUBE PPL WILL FIND THIS NOT SCIENCE" - Science has been wrong so many times. At least some people think before they comment :P
Great vid! - Have you thought about using magnets to increase the balls need to travel downward? Also the use of a magnetic bearing would greatly enhance the model.
So the reason why this is perfectly balanced, is that the energy needed to lift the ball up again is the same as the energy given from gravitational potential. The fact that the pivot point is further away on the outside doesn't matter, because the outside circle needs only to rotate about 30 degrees, whereas the inside needs to rotate rotate 180 degrees.
I love the machine, I truly wish I could build a wooden machine to that standard.
I just hope you know this will never work, perpetual motion is definitely impossible.
Have you tried adding a motor?
Then it could be a cool desk toy and if you don't tell anybody about the motor you can trick people who don't understand friction and the fundamental laws of reality.
Perpetual motion is impossible. Focus your efforts on finding a viable, cheaper source of energy instead. Like a wind turbine. You'll get results much quicker, even if perpetual motion WAS possible (wind is free anyways right?). Oh well, this is a neat device, and I have to appreciate the quality of it. Perhaps hook it up to an electric motor and make a kinetic sculpture out of it?
I won't give you the first law of thermo argument, even though it's true, and even though this atomicnumber guy is a moron. I'll just point out, at best, the two rails have to be horizontal and parallel or nearly.
For any horizontal pair of rails the number of balls you can put in holders on the outside goes down proportional to the radius, so you'll always have fewer balls on the outside than the inside. If you enjoy 2x torque per ball on the outside, you'll fit < 1/2 the balls there, etc.
Perpetual?! meh. Nothing is, but many are armed with nothing more than spewing "the first law of thermodynamics bla blah!?1" which they think makes them sound like scientists. Can I remind you that the "first law" was coined in 1850. The tides are (in our limited lifetime) pretty much perpetual, in that we never see them stop. Gravity causes said tides. Harness these natural forces. No one has done anything of the like since Niagra Falls, and no one has improved on it because it just worked.
I can name a succesful (sort of) perpetual motion idea. Spin a wheel in a non-gravitational vacuum. It will spin forever. However, no energy can be gained from it.
Honestly, I don't care that his will never be a perpetual motion machine (and, really, it won't - it's a fundamental, not technological, limitation). I still think it's pretty cool, and greatly admire you for putting it together. That's how humanity moves forward :)
this the the 9999th video about a gravity wheel that looks cool but "doesn't quite work yet". Heres a tip, GIVE UP on the idea, unless you want your friends and family to think your a quack for the rest of your life.
Dude, that's a nice looking wheel. Did you build it yourself?! cuz that's a lot of work just to find out that your trying to build something you can't and that has been attempted thousands of times before.
Nice machine. Dont let the nay sayers get you down. It's takes years to build a machine that'll work. Remember, the people who recite that dogma that it's not possible...have never actually tried. Keep an open mind....keep changing designs...keep at it. You didn't think it'd be easy...did you?
The problem is there is no vortex. If you can see michael angelo's wheel has the ying yang shape. That is the torus. You need to replicate the effects of a torus.
PM is impossible but I have a good idea. Get a small electric motor a big super capacitor and a solar panel then set it in a place that gets sun during the day.
That is about as close as you will get to "perpetual". As far as the lifespan of an average human, the sun is as perpetual as you will ever need!
@L337g4m3r Fuck off. I use fossil fuels for my GSX-R600. Go fucking charge your moped's batteries using the Sun, since you can't afford high-quality gasoline. Bitch.
read up on the second law of thermodynamics. you can't generate work and the total energy inputted from the total energy inputted. a is not equal to a+b
But, in the sky, at the center there is a vortex, what means that the ballsmakes a spiral movement at the center and a circular movement at the external circuit. I don't know if it works outside the space, but, I would try... Cheers...
Hay! If you see the diagram that (theoretically) Nature applies for getting a perpetual system, like the astronomic system, you will discover that you are pretty there. Look to the diagram in the universal matrix website. When the balls are at the right (big whell) they are at location F4 ( a pulsar). When the balls leave F4 and go to the center they make F5. And when the balls are in the big sphere, theu makes the complete circuit. (cont. next post)
No such thing as perpetual motion. Perpetual motion is something providing its own energy and everything needs energy to start making it so that perpetual motion is impossible.
However nice attempt at a machine that provides its own energy(after the initial energy given)
The force req'd for the outside marbles is indeed less than the inside due to differing lever-arms, but the problem is that when force is decreased, distance must be increased to maintain the same amount of work. In fact, your outside track must necessarily decrease in distance, meaning the work on the outside will never be greater than inside.
Not working yet.... Mmmm ok it won't be perpetual but send it into space with a motor on the wheel and a solar panel power system and it might run for a couple of billion years.
@fiedel - Although I can partially agree with you I have to remind you that mankind is forever discovering new frontiers in science. To assume we know all there is to know now about the universe is preposterous. There is a saying that those who ridicule these things today are going to be the first users tomorrow ! Read the story about Bessler's wheels - the evidence available supporting the theory that he built true free-energy devices are overwhelming, even if the secret was never disclosed.
This kind of thing reminds me of when I was a kid and I believed if I stood on a skipping rope and lifted up either end with enough strength, I could lift myself up and effectively hover.
Yes! Harness the power of gravity! Its the power of the endless void! Its the reason why our perspective is warped when we try to see into the vastness of space! An apple hit Newton on the head! Keep it up man!
Your changes had better include 100% elimination of friction, 100% conservation of inertia, and a few other items that directly contradict the laws of physics.... but it's a nice looking thang.
People once considered silly things such as flying or space travel an impossibility. A part of discovery of new concepts and inventions is challenging the impossible.
Not this time. Perpetual motion *IS* impossible. All system are lossy in that some of the energy is wasted, in this case, mostly in friction. That energy *MUST* be replaced somehow if the system is to continue in motion. External energy input means a below-unity system, and over-unity systems are what most people refer to as perpetual motion systems, and are impossible.
Just another point: people *ALWAYS* knew flying was possible because birds, insects and some mammals do it naturally. We just had to figure out how, not whether. A similar argument can be made for travelling in space: we see moons, comets, asteroids, planets and stars travelling through space all the time, so we know it's possible. In both cases, the key is energy management (if you assume life support), which is engineering.
I can remember as a youngster trying all sorts of designs for a perpetual motion wheel,, making them in maccano it always looked possible on paper, and now 50 years later and with the internet ,,,it brings back a lot of memories,,, to see people still trying,,, but I havent seen this concept or design before,,
u will always get closer however physics deems it impossible.. if the balls travel the same distance up as down u will lose energy to friction.. all mechanical systems have friction not to mention atmospheric friction
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you will never get more momentum from the outer layer then required by the inner circle. no matter the quantity of balls or diameter of wheels. Probably would cost you less time and resources to just do some math first. ;)
@mawerickmc or physics even. It still boils down to the same result though, an understanding of the conservation of energy. Basically the best energy your silly wooden models could produce would be heat, in my fireplace.
@mawerickmc I came specifically to say the same exact thing! Do some math first...or have someone do it for you. Please spend more time with your family. It's great that you have a wood-working hobby and all...just be don't be delusional that you are bulding a PM machine...u build fancy ball machines, or something.
Better yet connect a small motor to a solar cell. That is as close as you will get because as far as you are concerned in your lifetime, the sun is "perpetual".
They have tried this for ages. Don't you think if it is possible someone with a genius IQ would have done it already?
Energy can't be created or destroyed and all of that. What you have is not even efficient. You would be better off with a steel wheel on 2 jeweled pivots, at least then when you spin it by hand it would spin longer before eventually stopping.
It is not perpetual motion and never will be. The balls will lose speed due to the friction from the wooden tracks and the air. the fact that you can hear the machine working means that it is losing energy aswell
I think there is only one small problem left to work out and that is a little thing called the conservation of energy. It is a physical scientific law. You cannot get more energy out of something than you put in. Just do some research. Read a book. You will learn that many people, smarter than you, have tried this.
The moment you said that you did not have enough balls on the outer wheel to lift the balls on the inner wheel you should have realized why this can not work. This machine is basically a balance scale and so long as the weight on one side of the axel is equal to the weight on the other it will not move. This means you would have to have less balls going up then down to make it move. Which obviously wont be perpetual motion because each turn has fewer balls untill it runs out of them.
I can see one major problem : i does not work without your finger's
RutinaRottis 4 days ago
i try make one like your device but poorly materials iam proud to make my own perpetual motion i share it to you use 6 0r 12 marbles your device will be continous rotation...
joeymoreno06 3 weeks ago
Really really awesome craftmanship but it will never work... Best-case scenario is in ideal circumstances that it would theoretically just rotating for ever with a small push (without load/producing anything). What you can do is use power (gravity) from an external source, like "free" balls falling from somewhere and you don't need to get them back there, just like how watermills work with water...
RattleheadGR 3 weeks ago
I'm torn between liking or disliking this video. On one hand, you can't build a perpetual motion machine. On the other hand, it's a very well made toy that took some craftsmanship to build
soangry 1 month ago
Your plan is to have 4 to 5 balls on the outer wheel providing weight to drive the wheel down over a small percentage of the travel of the wheel. On the inner wheel there will be more weights traveling a greater distance so your machine will not work in this design unless you figure out some way to use steel balls and powerful magnets on the down side to provide additional force. Hope that helps with your project. Good luck.
MrKingdavis13 1 month ago
Honestly it not worth trying to make it work. You can used a motor or anything. Too slow no torque.., its worthless junk.
Mrinfoone 1 month ago
I have million dollars burning a hole in my pocket. Can get in on the ground floor and invest today!!!!!!
videoclipits 1 month ago
height ball travels up = height ball travels down. The distance of the ball from the center of the wheel makes no difference to how much energy is needed to raise/lower it.
tooby98765 1 month ago
so fucking stupid
willlewis77 1 month ago
this could work in space if u just push it once it would never stop....
Pandemicdaband 1 month ago
@Pandemicdaband Untrue...there is matter in space. However it is such a small concentration that no negative acceleration rate is measurable.
Perpetual motion is impossible because energy is always lost, if it were possible to conserve energy only withing the objects used for the perpetual motion machine, then perpetual motion could be achieved.
TheElectronicsAddict 1 month ago
@TheElectronicsAddict not to mention friction, even rolling friction
willlewis77 1 month ago
it wont ever work mate.
Daisycutt3r 1 month ago
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DanielBrown89 1 month ago
Le problème, c'est que celles de droite ont plus de chemin à faire, donc il va en manquer
une à chaque fois pour relever les autres .
Bon courage aux chercheurs,
Danreyem 1 month ago
THE ONLY PERPETUAL THING IN THE WORLD, IS LOSERS ATTEMPTS TO MAKING THESE!
xXxgriefelementxXx 2 months ago 2
You're building the Russian/English way instead of the German/Japanese way. Why not try doing the Maths of leverage first?
bigstiggerNo1 2 months ago
@bigstiggerNo1 I do hope russians do the math first, just like the japs. I'd say Germans as English are trying the practical application of things, so math is irrelevant.
sandarce 1 month ago
work with the kostoff design sometime. Its works!
rblackwell2771 2 months ago
for this to work in its current form factor the mass of the balls would need to change when they move from inner to outer cups... that would be very difficult to achieve .
Televersity 2 months ago
The fusion reactor builders have been doing these just like you, the only difference is the millions $ they spent and earned.
salmonoable 3 months ago
What I can see you have 2 problems to solve
First: is the friction. and second: is the quantity of balls in the inner ring opposite to the outer ring.
excellent.
servimaquina2 4 months ago
Your main problem is that gravity is a conservative force... thus you can never get to the same (or higher height) without using the same or more energy.
from wiki: A conservative force is a force with the property that the work done in moving a particle between two points is independent of the path taken
jbwiden 4 months ago
Howd those changes go
MrWorstepisodeever 4 months ago
Almost there, keep the good work my friend!!! I like this video cause its different from what we use to see on the internet concerning perpetual motion.
alecab 4 months ago
hmm this will actually work perfectly just need the outter wheel to be farther away and ther will be no problem lifting the balls back up to the top, timing it correctly tho is going to be tough other wise it'll jam easily...
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If I keep on jumping in the air and flapping my arms.. do you think i will disprove the law of gravity?
unifiedreality 5 months ago
If I keep on jumping in the air and flaspping my arms.. do you think i will disprove the law of gravity?
unifiedreality 5 months ago
Consider that you have a number of balls using their weight to lift an equal amount of balls of equal weight... right? Amounts to no net motion, no matter how you try to work around it.
SanctumZero 6 months ago
Another major problem is when the ball is traveling from the inner wheel to the outer wheel it's impacting much to hard to continue motion. Although it mught work but we are talking perpetual motion here and slight misalignments? Impacts? there's bound to be trouble. And much work to do. But keep trying though my inventor frien. Like if you agree.
mrcoolguy04 6 months ago
I am a Power Enginner , and I can tell u Energy conservation law work on Planet earth all the time 24/7 :) Any design u will make , really doesnt matter, cose how little frictions are, they are:)) and that means energy loosesm means in the end will stop.
Another phisics law is THERE ARE NO PERPETUM MOBILE on Earth:)) Sorry to brake it like this:p
qpae123 7 months ago 2
@qpae123 youre completely wrong. watch this youtube/wvRzWYCZ2e0
theskanation 6 months ago
@theskanation And USA economy:)) No matter if the spends are much higher then income :)0 it still works:)) unbelivable.
qpae123 6 months ago
@theskanation yes that would definitely work!!!
pyromaanisi 6 months ago
I dont need to hear the explanation. I allready can tell the answer : IT WONT WORK:)) Its lke USA economy:))
qpae123 7 months ago
try extra balls
mortamusprime 7 months ago
@mortamusprime Thats what she said!
LandSquirrels 7 months ago
perhaps if you could make the balls take a shit off the side of the wheel on the way up and then feed them some twinkies when they are coming back down ......oops..I forgot..you have to sit there and feed the balls, twinkies cost money..
7777dmith7777 7 months ago
If it could only work without your hand being there the entire time lol....
romainelettuce2 7 months ago
dude this won't work. for an effective leverage effect the outer wheel would have to carry a ball further than it is traveling on the inner wheel - currently the opposite is the case because the relevant arc length in the inner wheel is greater than that of the outer wheel. you could theoretically get this to 100% efficiency in a completely frictionless environment though.
sentientagent 7 months ago
my girlfriends mouth is a perpetual motion machine...
hackinmacine 7 months ago
you are learning great wood working skills
james110100 7 months ago
hahaha oh man. gravitational fields are conservative, so it doesn't matter whether your ball is on the inner or outer wheel, it takes at least as much energy to raise a ball as the ball returns when it falls. Everybody like talking about how science has been wrong in the past, but if you just read a scientific argument for why perpetual motion is impossible, you'll be hard-pressed to find any flaws in the reasoning.
robbiebanana 7 months ago 7
@robbiebanana I couldn't get a fix on why gravity wheels won't work until I read this comment. Whatever the ratio of the inner/outer wheels' diameters, that is your mechanical advantage, e.g. 3:1 means every 1 ball on the outer wheel can raise 3 balls on the inner wheel. BUT, the fact that they have the same change in height means the ball on the outer wheel is only on for a third as much angular rotation, so you still need 3 balls to fall to raise 3 balls up. Plus friction = impossible. Thanks!
ATL45 3 months ago
This will never work because of friction I hav my own IDEa to reduse friction to just air tho then I could put it in a vacuum cool concept tho
MrKewlguy123 7 months ago
1:15 As you can see there are some problems with it. Aye, you've not got a flux capacitor that's whats wrong with it.
fixiosis 8 months ago
The model is really nice and one can clearly see the effort that was put into making it. However it is sad that you don't really understand something called the conservation of momentum.
As long as you keep feeding back the balls into your machine it will never work, because the total momentum of the system will be the same so no useful work can be accomplished.
If you let the balls leave the system it'll work fine, but of course the model won't be a perpetual machine anymore :)
leovalencia10 8 months ago
@leovalencia10 Thanks for a simple answer. I've been looking at these for sometime and wondering what exactly was their inevitable flaw. I still wonder if gravity is usable though... the sun needs gravity to compress hydrogen past it's own electromagnetic fields so it can fuse, right? Maybe you could shed light on that too.
unambitious 8 months ago
I have been thinking about why your gravity wheel didn't work and then it hit me. Your gravity wheel will not work because it requires twice the time to pull a marble up as it is to take it down. This means that when the marble goes up, it uses up all its power it created when the marble went down.
Oshyrath 8 months ago
@haunhaus you do realize that the "laws" of physics vary, depending on where you are. In theory, it could eventually be possible. (by "eventually" i mean in the godly amount of time that it would take for the earth to move enough to make any real changes. lol)
bambam111992 8 months ago
what kind of "balls" are they?
ihavetoshutthewindow 9 months ago
The guy who apparently has a working version of this says the wheel must be significantly large, and that around 25% of the output energy must be put back into it to make it work.
TheLoonwolf 9 months ago
It seems to be working quite nicely. What are you not happy about?
grieske 9 months ago
it's not working due to the fundamental law: ΔEp=mgΔh. In English, that's the change in potential energy is equal to the mass multiplied by gravity, multiplied by the change in height. Even if the wheel was 100% frictionless (Practically impossible) the "falling" ball on the outer wheel only supplies enough energy to lift one ball on the inner wheel. Your design is fine if you wish to make a perpetual motion device, except for friction in the axle and air resistance.
Emejapazco 9 months ago
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@Emejapazco {Your design is fine if you wish to make a perpetual motion device, except for friction in the axle and air resistance.}
Well, its doing a lot of nothing for a perpetual motion device in a frictionless world. How about a top or a gyro.
Perpetual motion is all around us.
mindprism 8 months ago
All of these "free energy" machines have one vital flaw, they're all "nearly working but not quite yet", even if you could get them to work infinitely how do you intend to extract energy from it? I say use solar power, after all, that really is free.
TheFsxmad 9 months ago
@TheFsxmad is it? its free in the fact that we dont have to put energy into it other than building the solar panel itself, nothing is free=P not in physics
xyzdorky66 9 months ago
use lighter material like thin plastic
GLOCK22BYITCH 9 months ago
NICE MACHINE! I really like this work man! But it will never be a "perpetual motion", it's physicly imposible! If you study the laws of Newton and a little bit more of physics you be in conditions to decide what is possible and what is not possible.
Despite that, i really apreciate your work and dedication, thats a fine work!
baulp1 10 months ago 6
how are things going on the new one?
i just had a clever idea for you on a possible improvement
maybe you have thought of it maybe not
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trooromeo 10 months ago
Check out the wikipedia page on TORQUE. Apply the equation T=rFsinθ and use it compare all the clockwise torque with all the counter-clockwise torque. This way you will know which way the the wheel will spin before going to the trouble of building it.
abemore 10 months ago
If your fingers are hidden from the camera when they rotate the wheel it's gonna look way more impressive!!
mikeatcapo 10 months ago
It is a very creative idea, I'll give you that. But you'll need a LOT more leverage to lift the balls. It has a bessler wheel flaw, looks like. (Where you end up fighting dead weight.)
TheMacSan 10 months ago
What is with Australians and free energy?
The problem with every perpetual system is friction. Get rid of friction, (put it in a vacuum and use magnets) then maybe you might have a perpetual machine.
Do not use parts that rub against each other.
PsycCentauri 10 months ago
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PsycCentauri 10 months ago
If it doesn't work why have you put perpetual motion in the heading?
wyrrox 10 months ago
Just because perpetual motion machines violate the first law of thermodynamics, that won't stop people from building them for fun. ;)
Atheyon 11 months ago 2
When I said there are more balls on the inner track I was refuring to height only (altitude) The inner track has more of an arch (curve) than the outer track with less curve. So with a bigger curve (per height length of the balls being droped and set) the inner track holds more balls and each ball don't travel as far of it's own. I had to explain this as I said the inner (smaller) track holds more balls than outer (larger) track. I was refuring to dropping and setting areas only.
bandet888 11 months ago
Another thing I noticed after further studying the theory is again the inner balls are effectively lighter due to leverage but if you look at this there will be more balls on the inner track withe the same height distance as the number of balls on the outer track. so they are effectively lighter but there's more of them so the weight balences out. So the wheel will never have a reason to rotate on it's own that I can see.
bandet888 11 months ago
The balls in the inner track may be effectively lighter due to leverage but wont travel as far. So the balls on the outer track (effectively heavier due to leverage) may be able to move the balls on the inner track but they need to travel twice as far as the "heavier" balls will carry them so the balls will never will be in the right location for them to drop at the right point. The balls doing the work can only move the other balls a smaller distance than the outer balls are traveling.
bandet888 11 months ago
Go back to the stone edge ¡¡ asol¡¡ we need inovatón ¡¡
MsLeo229 11 months ago
Thermal dynamics says no.
thetruespin 11 months ago
I will tell you, it will work I had the same problem as you. You need more space between inner wheel and outer whell. Somone will tell you It want work, but I know that it will work. I will say that it´s better to know then belive.
herihansen 11 months ago
To wsriva, there will always be friction, there is no such thing as 'friction free'.
To the guy who built this, good luck on the new machine! These things are always cool to watch and I am absolutely sick and tired of the people who thinks perpetual motion is ridiculous. If you are reading this, please let me know when the functional one is posted.
jacmcd7 1 year ago
make the wheel lighter and spin friction free
wsriva 1 year ago
why do you show is not working....when you make it let me know...until then pls. dont make cry newton
darkchater 1 year ago
will it blend???
howtowritemyname 1 year ago
about as pointless as trying to teach lemons calculus......totally totally impossible, even if you put it out in deep space because even light causes drag!
crazymotionride 1 year ago
Проблема не у машины, а у автора...
ElisDN 1 year ago
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dlunday1 1 year ago
The only way science moves forward is when someone rejects previous knowledge ans prove it wrong.
dlunday1 1 year ago 13
@dlunday1 Thank you. I've seen so many comments saying "LOLOL YEAH YOUTUBE PPL WILL FIND THIS NOT SCIENCE" - Science has been wrong so many times. At least some people think before they comment :P
Skysurge 8 months ago
@dlunday1
Sometimes crazy is just crazy.
luminaeus 7 months ago
the key is in the weight ratios , the ball bearling are too light in comparisson with thw wheel's weight. get Bigger balls XD
TheKaos90 1 year ago
Great vid! - Have you thought about using magnets to increase the balls need to travel downward? Also the use of a magnetic bearing would greatly enhance the model.
rcraig12 1 year ago
no way will small ball bearings make that giant thing move
Aldurnamiyanrandvora 1 year ago
looks like your headed in a good direction...
atimberline 1 year ago
Excellent, I can see that it's nearly there.
Have you tried using plywood instead of MDF? I think the wood grain will better concentrate the flux vortex.
wvir 1 year ago 25
I think regardless of the fact it probably wont work, it will look awesome when running (maybe with a motor or hand assisted starting)
pyrocam 1 year ago
1 - 1 = 0 before you even get into friction you've failed
Sirus20x6 1 year ago
this is never going to work, you would have to create energy from nothing for this to work, friction alone disproves this
hollowpoint84 1 year ago
So the reason why this is perfectly balanced, is that the energy needed to lift the ball up again is the same as the energy given from gravitational potential. The fact that the pivot point is further away on the outside doesn't matter, because the outside circle needs only to rotate about 30 degrees, whereas the inside needs to rotate rotate 180 degrees.
joshharle 1 year ago 2
it could work if the outer right side was in a stronger plane of gravity to the inner :P
grimdeathkid 1 year ago
I love the machine, I truly wish I could build a wooden machine to that standard.
I just hope you know this will never work, perpetual motion is definitely impossible.
Have you tried adding a motor?
Then it could be a cool desk toy and if you don't tell anybody about the motor you can trick people who don't understand friction and the fundamental laws of reality.
roparom 1 year ago
Perpetual motion is impossible. Focus your efforts on finding a viable, cheaper source of energy instead. Like a wind turbine. You'll get results much quicker, even if perpetual motion WAS possible (wind is free anyways right?). Oh well, this is a neat device, and I have to appreciate the quality of it. Perhaps hook it up to an electric motor and make a kinetic sculpture out of it?
KrazeeCain 1 year ago
I won't give you the first law of thermo argument, even though it's true, and even though this atomicnumber guy is a moron. I'll just point out, at best, the two rails have to be horizontal and parallel or nearly.
For any horizontal pair of rails the number of balls you can put in holders on the outside goes down proportional to the radius, so you'll always have fewer balls on the outside than the inside. If you enjoy 2x torque per ball on the outside, you'll fit < 1/2 the balls there, etc.
garrettjohnsonyt 1 year ago
Perpetual?! meh. Nothing is, but many are armed with nothing more than spewing "the first law of thermodynamics bla blah!?1" which they think makes them sound like scientists. Can I remind you that the "first law" was coined in 1850. The tides are (in our limited lifetime) pretty much perpetual, in that we never see them stop. Gravity causes said tides. Harness these natural forces. No one has done anything of the like since Niagra Falls, and no one has improved on it because it just worked.
atomicnumber15 1 year ago
I can name a succesful (sort of) perpetual motion idea. Spin a wheel in a non-gravitational vacuum. It will spin forever. However, no energy can be gained from it.
willrandship 1 year ago
Honestly, I don't care that his will never be a perpetual motion machine (and, really, it won't - it's a fundamental, not technological, limitation). I still think it's pretty cool, and greatly admire you for putting it together. That's how humanity moves forward :)
errebepe 1 year ago
this the the 9999th video about a gravity wheel that looks cool but "doesn't quite work yet". Heres a tip, GIVE UP on the idea, unless you want your friends and family to think your a quack for the rest of your life.
ricktbdgc 1 year ago 2
Dude, that's a nice looking wheel. Did you build it yourself?! cuz that's a lot of work just to find out that your trying to build something you can't and that has been attempted thousands of times before.
mrrts312 1 year ago
Nice machine. Dont let the nay sayers get you down. It's takes years to build a machine that'll work. Remember, the people who recite that dogma that it's not possible...have never actually tried. Keep an open mind....keep changing designs...keep at it. You didn't think it'd be easy...did you?
terrorcotta2 1 year ago
great craftsmanship! Keep up the good work, you may be on to something.
bsibille 1 year ago
LAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DonDanielle 1 year ago
The problem is there is no vortex. If you can see michael angelo's wheel has the ying yang shape. That is the torus. You need to replicate the effects of a torus.
NebunLaCap 1 year ago
Add one more track
NebunLaCap 1 year ago
There has to be equal exchange, this is nice craftmanship though and I hope you can prove me wrong.
movadoband 1 year ago
You have to prove that it can work before getting a patent. You haven't done it yet!
nxr064 1 year ago
Instead of thinking about how this will not work, how 'bout you people think of how there can be improvements in the future?
nxr064 1 year ago
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@nxr064 "Instead of thinking about how this will not work, how 'bout you people think of how there can be improvements in the future?"
The first improvement I would suggest is to avoid any violations of conservation of momentum/energy.
goobergel 1 year ago
PM is impossible but I have a good idea. Get a small electric motor a big super capacitor and a solar panel then set it in a place that gets sun during the day.
That is about as close as you will get to "perpetual". As far as the lifespan of an average human, the sun is as perpetual as you will ever need!
L337g4m3r 1 year ago
@L337g4m3r Fuck off. I use fossil fuels for my GSX-R600. Go fucking charge your moped's batteries using the Sun, since you can't afford high-quality gasoline. Bitch.
corruptorCEREBRUM 1 year ago
@corruptorCEREBRUM
Go suck a dick, fucking asshole!
L337g4m3r 1 year ago
Miniaturize it and implant it in your chest, then build a metal suit and fly around screaming, "u jelly, iron man?"
siflrock 1 year ago
LOL "...not working yet..."
Save yourself some time. It will never work.
pak56h 1 year ago
Thumbs up if you want a card with this wheels.
Faustoteinmor 1 year ago
read up on the second law of thermodynamics. you can't generate work and the total energy inputted from the total energy inputted. a is not equal to a+b
joked00d1 1 year ago
Fluids use fluids
Witig 1 year ago
@Witig I agree with you.
Yeah man, use fluids. Less friction or at least less noise.
Keep it up, man. Time will tell who'll have the last laugh.
boobiestrap 1 year ago
Get it patented
michlantecuh 1 year ago
If your next one will work ID
michlantecuh 1 year ago
But, in the sky, at the center there is a vortex, what means that the ballsmakes a spiral movement at the center and a circular movement at the external circuit. I don't know if it works outside the space, but, I would try... Cheers...
Austriak1 1 year ago
Hay! If you see the diagram that (theoretically) Nature applies for getting a perpetual system, like the astronomic system, you will discover that you are pretty there. Look to the diagram in the universal matrix website. When the balls are at the right (big whell) they are at location F4 ( a pulsar). When the balls leave F4 and go to the center they make F5. And when the balls are in the big sphere, theu makes the complete circuit. (cont. next post)
Austriak1 1 year ago
@Austriak1 What in nature do you think is a perpetual system? There's no such thing...
Urza9814 1 year ago
Damn physics ruins everything...
Cool design though.
lehman 1 year ago
Working or not, it's really cool. Keep it up!
TheEffSee 1 year ago 2
No such thing as perpetual motion. Perpetual motion is something providing its own energy and everything needs energy to start making it so that perpetual motion is impossible.
However nice attempt at a machine that provides its own energy(after the initial energy given)
DarkTornaydoe 1 year ago
Just imagine, where would the world be today without ignorance and superstition?
LightningRose 1 year ago
The force req'd for the outside marbles is indeed less than the inside due to differing lever-arms, but the problem is that when force is decreased, distance must be increased to maintain the same amount of work. In fact, your outside track must necessarily decrease in distance, meaning the work on the outside will never be greater than inside.
mox1211 1 year ago
Not working yet.... Mmmm ok it won't be perpetual but send it into space with a motor on the wheel and a solar panel power system and it might run for a couple of billion years.
benbennit 1 year ago
The only thing perpetual seems to be the ignorance of people regarding the laws of thermodynamics.
fiedel 1 year ago
@fiedel - Although I can partially agree with you I have to remind you that mankind is forever discovering new frontiers in science. To assume we know all there is to know now about the universe is preposterous. There is a saying that those who ridicule these things today are going to be the first users tomorrow ! Read the story about Bessler's wheels - the evidence available supporting the theory that he built true free-energy devices are overwhelming, even if the secret was never disclosed.
Spacekriek 1 year ago
Sorry man, you should stop now - it can never work: thermodynamics is a harsh mistress.
It's not all bad news though, maybe you can get a job with Steorn ;-)
johnphands 1 year ago
This kind of thing reminds me of when I was a kid and I believed if I stood on a skipping rope and lifted up either end with enough strength, I could lift myself up and effectively hover.
WylieWatson 1 year ago
It'll never work without some of my special, patented "Perpetual Motion Oil", that I'm willing to sell you at a very reasonable price.
mikefromwa 1 year ago
Yes! Harness the power of gravity! Its the power of the endless void! Its the reason why our perspective is warped when we try to see into the vastness of space! An apple hit Newton on the head! Keep it up man!
Krane2020 1 year ago
Ha Ha. Perpetual motion for about ten turns.
clutterbells 1 year ago
Your changes had better include 100% elimination of friction, 100% conservation of inertia, and a few other items that directly contradict the laws of physics.... but it's a nice looking thang.
Improviz 1 year ago
Glad to see you're interested in physics, but you might want to try actually studying them before you jump into experiments that can't work
crazyassgenius 1 year ago
People once considered silly things such as flying or space travel an impossibility. A part of discovery of new concepts and inventions is challenging the impossible.
adryanv 1 year ago
@adryanv The difference is flying was believed to be impossible. Perpetual motion is proven to be impossible.
DRRDRRDRR 1 year ago
@adryanv
Not this time. Perpetual motion *IS* impossible. All system are lossy in that some of the energy is wasted, in this case, mostly in friction. That energy *MUST* be replaced somehow if the system is to continue in motion. External energy input means a below-unity system, and over-unity systems are what most people refer to as perpetual motion systems, and are impossible.
johnphands 1 year ago
@adryanv
Just another point: people *ALWAYS* knew flying was possible because birds, insects and some mammals do it naturally. We just had to figure out how, not whether. A similar argument can be made for travelling in space: we see moons, comets, asteroids, planets and stars travelling through space all the time, so we know it's possible. In both cases, the key is energy management (if you assume life support), which is engineering.
johnphands 1 year ago
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God doesn't allow free.
JimmerSD 1 year ago
Friction's a bitch (and inescapable). It's a cool device, but it will never work as a free energy machine. Physics 101 says so.
Kevitivity 1 year ago
I can remember as a youngster trying all sorts of designs for a perpetual motion wheel,, making them in maccano it always looked possible on paper, and now 50 years later and with the internet ,,,it brings back a lot of memories,,, to see people still trying,,, but I havent seen this concept or design before,,
aplinewalker 1 year ago
u will always get closer however physics deems it impossible.. if the balls travel the same distance up as down u will lose energy to friction.. all mechanical systems have friction not to mention atmospheric friction
downlow1023 1 year ago
you need a pulley or a cog. WITTS built 100s of gravity motors
SergeHumphrey 1 year ago
The Balls/whatever you take will everytime have more way to get carried up then to carry the wheel down. It wont work.
Triadee 1 year ago
EXCELLENT SO WILL IT RUN A GENERATOR?
icomefromtitybong 1 year ago
good
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RanaRene1425 1 year ago
@RanaRene1425
You seem like the kind of gullible fool who will buy a Steorn Orbo. Either that, or you are a shill for that company you mention.
And, by the way *ALL* electric motors are magnet motors.
johnphands 1 year ago 2
you will never get more momentum from the outer layer then required by the inner circle. no matter the quantity of balls or diameter of wheels. Probably would cost you less time and resources to just do some math first. ;)
mawerickmc 1 year ago 23
@mawerickmc or physics even. It still boils down to the same result though, an understanding of the conservation of energy. Basically the best energy your silly wooden models could produce would be heat, in my fireplace.
nicophobia 1 year ago
@mawerickmc I came specifically to say the same exact thing! Do some math first...or have someone do it for you. Please spend more time with your family. It's great that you have a wood-working hobby and all...just be don't be delusional that you are bulding a PM machine...u build fancy ball machines, or something.
videos4mydad 1 year ago
Better yet connect a small motor to a solar cell. That is as close as you will get because as far as you are concerned in your lifetime, the sun is "perpetual".
L337g4m3r 1 year ago
They have tried this for ages. Don't you think if it is possible someone with a genius IQ would have done it already?
Energy can't be created or destroyed and all of that. What you have is not even efficient. You would be better off with a steel wheel on 2 jeweled pivots, at least then when you spin it by hand it would spin longer before eventually stopping.
L337g4m3r 1 year ago
It is not perpetual motion and never will be. The balls will lose speed due to the friction from the wooden tracks and the air. the fact that you can hear the machine working means that it is losing energy aswell
finkployd4658 1 year ago
It will never work sry
TheKarabouzouklis 1 year ago
I think there is only one small problem left to work out and that is a little thing called the conservation of energy. It is a physical scientific law. You cannot get more energy out of something than you put in. Just do some research. Read a book. You will learn that many people, smarter than you, have tried this.
dahiteman 1 year ago
The moment you said that you did not have enough balls on the outer wheel to lift the balls on the inner wheel you should have realized why this can not work. This machine is basically a balance scale and so long as the weight on one side of the axel is equal to the weight on the other it will not move. This means you would have to have less balls going up then down to make it move. Which obviously wont be perpetual motion because each turn has fewer balls untill it runs out of them.
MrAwsome514 1 year ago
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BernhardF 1 year ago
very interesting concept. i would love to see one working all out
YellowCakeKid 1 year ago
sucks!!!!!! dont working...
thiagosats 1 year ago
What would happen if you just add balls on the 2 tracks "waiting" to go up or down?
Nice job!
MrJps1972 1 year ago
There are a few problems with it. The first and most important is that it's not possible.
DarksporkLeader 1 year ago 85
@DarksporkLeader i agree lolz.
Silly british there is no such thing as perpetual motion.
SITHEVILYODA 1 year ago
@SITHEVILYODA Can you point out on the map where in Britain New Zealand is?
ElKeeed 1 year ago
@ElKeeed and that has nothin