@raging78 It's specific to one religion, I've yet to see any advertisements for any other religion or atheism. I don't object to advertisement, I do object to unfair bias towards one group of people. Oh and very clever, my username means we can bring Harry Potter in, and no it doesn't even things out because Harry Potter is simple entertainment while this is an ad that is trying to convert people and there's nothing to counter it.
Not quite. This is a self-funded campaign by the churches the create conversation, not conversion, about Jesus. There's no reason why a Hindu or atheist or any other religious/organisation can't do the same. We live in a democratic country where, if you have the financial support, you can advertise and put forward your own message or product the same way the churches have for this campaign. Besides, it only runs for 6 weeks and you can always flick to another channel while the ad is on.
I understand, I kinda wish that I personally had the money to run an atheist ad, maybe even run them as a duo so you have both side one after another. It's only for 6 weeks? Honestly feels like longer to me, not only is there an ad on the TV (And I do try and change the channel each time, or at least leave the room) but those large sign things are going up, and I know if I put one up to say the same thing but for atheism that someone'll tell me to take it down
I know what you mean and i know what you're saying with running both ads at the same time. I'm a christian, but I'd be happy for an Atheist organisation to run their own ad campaign (I'm going to get some negative comments for saying this)! I actually like to hear all the different viewpoints and am against censorship of that nature. At the end of the day, people need to make up their own minds what path they follow. I should know; I was an Atheist for most of my life.
Actually, there have been two recent attempts: an ad campaign with APN Outdoor (largest outdoor advertising agency in Australia, and with Metro Tasmania (state-owned bus service). Both organisations rejected the advertising campaigns because they were "too controversial/offensive". Now that's not exactly democratic, is it.
On another note, I don't watch TV (partially due to the ads), but it pains me to see all those bloody annoying Jesus banners around. He's dead, get with it.
The Metro Tasmania case was over-turned a few months ago in favour of the Atheists. As for APN; I don't agree with their decision and am surprised by it. That's a decision their CEO has to live with I guess.
Also, don't get too flustered by the seeing all those banners around. Just look in the opposite direction like I do when I see an ad for Australian Idol!
By the way; Jesus may be dead to you (which I accept) but he's not dead too me.
and then i say, Jesus is alive, get with it. and you don't see that as patronising at all?
have you seen those non smoking ads, shit man they are terribly offensive, massive billboards showing the inside of a smokers lungs, or their brain, or their feet with toes falling off, i have to look away...do you sit and stare at them? they are designed to be disgusting.
just maybe look away instead of getting so upset?
i'm pretty sure jesus was never democratic, isn't that why they killed him?
@jacobbrett119 cold doesn't exist. it is a word used to describe the absence of heat. darkness doesn't exist. it is a word used to describe the absence of light. these are things we can see or touch, but we still believe in them. we know they exist, just as we know God exists--it's all about faith.
Children's brains are no match for colourful advertisements telling them that something is flat out true with no evidence.
The Tooth Fairy is made up and its part of childhood that they believe in that kind of stuff.
But this is more like conscription.
Children (and easily led adults) don't have the mental capacity to decide for themselves yet, and when they see this ad they may be swayed into something that has no basis.
* Why don't we engage on convo about what is actually written, said of Jesus? after u've read something. I'm not going to prove it's true to you when you are not prepared to open the pages of the book. It's like saying 'prove to me the stars exist' when I'm not prepared to look at the sky.
We have no physical proof that Jesus, if he existed, was the son of god (the existence of which cannot also be proven nor disproven).
Only second-hand accounts from people who also wrote that those who work on the sabbath should be put to death.
Until you have proof that the bible isn't fantasy, it is foolish to blindly believe in it, let alone launch a marketing campaign against impressionable youth.
Ok fine - those millions who believe in the bible & in transforming work of Jesus are fools, we all live in caves & believe also in tooth fairies, we know nothing about how history or science works (I mean don't look for us universities or anything becoz we're certainly not there..or in anything even vaguely intelligent)....
...we like to believe becoz we can't handle real life', or 'real death', & we always make practice of following a jewish bloke who possibly did not even live & like to waste time telling people about him becoz he makes absolutely no difference..and frankly the world would be a much better place if the world never had any Christians..or even better..Jesus. (The End).
@PocketJaces - ahh we've been in the so called age of enlightenment for over a century now. We're more educated, scientifically advanced, 'enlightened' than any century before us - & while it has certainly led to lots of good things, the last century has seen also seen some of the WORST atrocities in history (we're smarter @ killing each other), we're richer than we've ever been, and yet millions continue to die from complete starvation. Wake me up when we get even more enlightened.
@PocketJaces - guess what?!? God totally already assumed your response about the foolishness of a message about a crucified Christ. It calls it (the cross) the 'wisdom & power of God' - foolishness to some, life to others. Do you have a bible? If so, read the book of 1 Corinthians Chapter 1 and 2. It picks up some of the stuff you've said. Let me know what u think?
seriously, the fact that you think you KNOW what god has or has not assumed about me is just ridiculous. not only do you think you have a relationship with god, you think you know how he works and acts?
@PocketJaces - hey i know it sounds arrogant, but 'knowing God' is only possible becoz he has made himself known to the world. A little like any other r'ship - the only way you can really 'know' me is if I tell you what I'm like, dislike etc. Otherwise u'd be left 2 make some guesses. But God has not left us in the dark, he has made himself known - he has spoken & acted in Jesus. Why don't u just go read one of the gospels which speak about him & find out if it's true?!?
just because it's written in a book doesn't mean it's true. if you believe the bible then why not the quran or the torah, both of which precede the bible and are far more extensive? you are simply choosing to believe one ancient book over another. god has not made himself known, you are just believing something that has absolutely no evidence from a book many years past its expiry.
in what way is it more extensive? How does extensiveness prove truth? & actually bible is built on the torah & Jewish prophets. It predates Korah as a whole. I'm prepared to read, investigate whatever. My belief in Jesus doesn't stop me from using my brain or thinking..in fact it encourages it. But you sound like ur nervous to even pick up the book?!?
@PocketJaces and sorry ur right, I don't know what God has necessarily thinks about u, but ur response about the foolishness of the cross was expected by God thats all.
1) Correct I am not god (that is a most glaringly obvious thing). But part of the problem is that we all pretend we are & ignore the real one in the process.
* Torah makes up the 1st 5 books of the bible.
* I've read some of the Koran & Vedas (hindu book) - on the surface they might seem the same, but they disagree@ crucial points. Therefore can't all be right. The bible offered historical reasonableness, but even more, words of truth claims that totally challenged my heart & mind - my life.
Again you are saying "real one" as if you have proof of a god that so many of us just fail to see.
If you think that the bible offered historical reasonableness, you clearly are not a student of history.
"Words of truth" is another phrase you are using, but you don't actually prove HOW its true. Saying something is true to prove that its factual is circular and nonsensical.
*I actually said it had 'words of truth claims'. IT claims to be true itself. Yes, it's circular ANY claim of ultimate authority on something is going to be circular.
* Toothfairy, santa -kids might believe when they're kids but they grow out of it. & I don't knw any adult who suddenly starts believing in them at a later age. Jesus - millions have come to believe later on in life, & continue to till the day they die. Difference!
Things can be tested and re-tested under the same conditions (like chemical reactions) are finite and not circular.
Just because lots of people believe in it doesn't make it real. Those listed as "Christian" in census forms mostly do because their country has had missionaries (Africa) or their family pushed it on them as a child (USA).
There is no physical evidence for either the existence of a tooth fairy nor Jesus being the son of god. Thus they have the same value of truth - virtually none.
I keep seeing those Jesus banners everywhere. I can't believe how many churches there are, it's quite sad. I bet people attending the JAAL campaigns won't learn a damn thing about life. What propaganda.
@jacobbrett119 - if that's true mate, if Jesus did not actually rise from the dead..then the bible is actually the FIRST to put up its hand & say..that the Christianity, it's preaching & people believing, is in vain..and the people who believe in Christianity are the fools of all fools, to be pitied amongst all men.
It's a make or break matter for the entire faith & for the billions that believe. Might be worth investigating?
Well of course its true, Christianity will soon go the way of every religion before it - extinction. I don't really care for the mainstream sheep who are too afraid of the concept of death/eternal Hell. Besides, I wouldn't trust a book put out by the Catholics (the most ridiculous denomination) anyway haha.
Every religion?? 5 billion people on the planet have a religion... a majority of people.. i dont think it's going anywhere fast. Judaism and Hinduism are the oldest religions on the planet starting around 1500BC. 3500 yrs and 750 million members is a pretty good track record.
Every Religion before it - then defunct. "5 billion people" now has no relevance to the size of Christianity, nor my statement.
The fact is, Atheism is on the rise, and Chrisianity (and all other major religions) will eventually become extinct (or close to extinction) just like the Ancient Greek, Ancient Egyptian, Celtic and Roman religions (ironically, Christmas was derived from the last two).
Actually, the first probable organised religions started appearing around 9,800BC, you could go further back to 70,000BC or even older for the first signs of monument worship.
I guess that's just your opinion. It doesn't explain how the Earth came to be. Evolution with gasses and stuff. They might know the gasses, they just can't create the actual life.
The sun is a beautiful but average ball of gas undergoing fusion reactions, of which there are 100 billion in our galaxy alone, with some 100 billion other galaxies in the observable universe.
If you deliberately suppress your faculty of reason enough to believe that they were made by a zombie carpenter in a 2,000 year-old-fairytale, you are a delusional idiot.
Teach it to kids and you are evil. Get *paid* for teaching it to kids, and you're monstrous.
wtf is wrong with the english speaking world religion is something private not a "sellout" product or some bullshit. That´s the Way it rolls in Germany, ive also seen those God is Dead Bullshit in Subways, this is retarted so christians STFU! Atheists STFU! , religion is a choice a heart must make not a tv ad must convince. Sorry for ass sucking english but it had to be
Look at it this way. If we are supposed to be God's favorite creation, why would he make Faith the thing that makes folks love him the most, and logic makes us doubt him more than anything, when logic is the only thing that makes us better than all "His other creations" (Other animals and such) I mean, my dog has faith, plenty of it, she's a tiny little thing, and she will jump from a high counter with the faith that I will catch her, but she has basically no logic. Think about it.
yo Jumpsuit - u jump the wrong ride on the logic thing. It's not 'logic' that makes us 'better', but the fact that God has made us 'in his image' that gives us a 'special' r'ship with God. & part of that involves 'ruling' the world under him. He's given us the BRAINS & resources to do it, the problem is we want to do it WITHOUT him, kick him outta the pic & be our own lil gods running around, clashing heads & great job we've done with the world wouldn't u say?!?
(contin) The problem is not Logic persay..but logic without God. U don't have to leave ur brains @ the door to follow Jesus - just gotta use it properly.
Haha, I was linked here, and I laughed. Not because I am an atheist, and this video is dumb, but because of all the Christains with there loose and nonlogical arguements. "Open your mind" is my favorite....Having "Faith" is quite the opposite of having an open mind. To beleive in something blindly without ever questioning it is like the exsact deffinition of close-mindedness. (or close enough) I'm out of character space...arguement continued in a moment...
hey all. just one question for all the athiests out there. why are you here? you come here either seeking faith or to argue. if you come here to argue, then you have closed your mind off to the truth. now ask yourself. why do you argue with us? because you think we are stupid? well then, spend your time arguing with the people that do stupid things that affect you. if anybody wants to talk then i will do all i can to help. i have facebook under this name, look me up if you want.
*We* aren't the ones imposing on *you* with demonstrably false advertising. When you leave us alone -- totally --, when you stop brainwashing children and vulnerable adults with this wickedness, when you stop interfering in politics, science and education for religious reasons, then we'll leave you alone.
Until then, people of reason will not rest silently until your sickening faith reforms or goes the way of the 20,000 other childish god-cults.
... how is christianity "sickening"? what we preach is right. the only reason that things are "sins" is because they harm people or relationships. and if you find it brainwashing for us to teach morals, even if u ignore the rest of it, then you are on sick, sad little man.
correction. there IS a reason, you just cant see it. the way that god wants us to live is a life that is free from all of that drama and stuff. people dont cheat on eachother, people share, no one is hungry or rejected. if you fail to realise that you have to THINK about things, than im wasting my time.
I see what the reason is: Its to keep me out of ever going to heaven or ever having a real chance of being saved.
God doesn't care about me, only his select few who have their names written in the book of life, where as I have nothing, no real friends, no job, no girlfriend, no money, no purpose.
Where others are born wealthy, born brilliant and intelligent, born beautiful, born lucky, and what was i born with? None of those things, fuck all, thats why im killing myself.
@mh4777abc - yep life can seem pretty random & unfair at times & I'm sorry that u seem to have got the worse end of it. U & lot of the world with you. We're in majority!
But God does care & he's done something so incredible it in Jesus. U don't know need to know if ur in the 'book of life' - no-one knows. But u can take his offer to all, to come find true life in him. His promise: 'For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life'
Wow, I'm sorry, did you just say "But God does care & he's done something so incredible it in Jesus." First of all, why do you believe that there is a God, and second, how can you possibly know what he is thinking and whether or not he has acted upon a human being? This leads me to think that the concept of God was all created by superstition humans about 3000 years ago.
Becasue will, its godbods that have changed the law in Victoria so they can discriminate against; gender, martial status, divorcee, sexual orientation, religion, and if you are a parent.
That is sickening! Not to mention the push to teach creationism in high schools indead of evolution. And the denial of health care to rape victems who may not want to carry their rapiest baby to full term.
I'm sorry, but you guys preach love but you impose secretly cruelty and ignorence from behind close doors
Jesus isnt actually about THIS life at all. Hes all about the NEXT life which is supposed to make everything better and justify this life.
Hes all about how you can only get to that 'next life' it by worshiping him alone and doing everything he says and telling his earthly institutions every time you do something wrong and donating money to them.
Oh, and hes all about telling you that if you dont worship him alone above all else despite lack of evidence you will be tortured for eternity.
Really? He has the answers? Thats fantasitc! Im doing a maths exam the day after tomorrow and I really want the answers to solving the real numbers on a complex plane: Re{(1-2i)^2}
It's obvious all of you have a comment. And as alot of you are trying to say, that you don't care, obviously you are interested in this, you only pay attention to a tire add, if you need a new tire. =)
Jesus does have all the answers, and he cares about you, wether you think/like it or not. I'm not going to try to convince you Jesus is real, that wouldn't even make a difference. But hey, if you want to learn more about life, you should give Jesus a go! What do you have to lose?
Pfft, Buddha has far more answers than Jesus and im an Atheist. If you want to know more about these kinds of things study Philosophy.. not the bible.
@mh4777abc - true, everyone thinks they're right, but clearly not everyone is right..because there is some obvious disagreement going on here. Can't have it all be true in the same way. Something's gotta give.
So genuine question: In what do you think Jesus is part..and you are part of the answer? And to what question exactly?
Well his life is the example - live at peace with everyone and love god; and the first part of the answer in life, the second part is you following this example.
How can people be so gullable to believe there cant exist a god? the universe is too mathematically accurate for it to simply be a cooincidence.
If you had ever taken a Critical Thinking unit at University you would know that the burden of proof rests on the theists to prove God, and not only God, but their specific God and that he wants what they claim him to want and is what they say about him. You would also know that appealing to ignorance is a logical fallacy.
Why dont you go and study some Psychology, Philosophy and the history of the bible and world religions first.
Well its ignorant to dismiss the existance of God because our primative science doesnt hold the answer. Perhaps God does exist and doesnt want to reveal himself to this world to be idolised and critised, perhaps he has a plan that can't be revealing his existance to people so they have to love him not because they fear hell.
Its not ignorant to lack belief in a deity, which is what Athiesm is, its not saying that its impossible that there could be a God.
You need to think more about these things, for example if you took pause for some rational reflection you might realize that you in fact lack belief in lots of deities, you dont believe in Zeus or in the Muslim God or the Hindu Gods.
Does that make you ignorant?
Think more about these things. You have the rational capacity to deduce truth from premises.
Not only have I read the Bible, but ive also read a fair bit of the Torah, and of the Buddhist religious texts etc. Have you read any of the OTHER religions texts? Why do you think that your religion is the right one then?
I have studied the religions, I also study Science. Statistics, morality, ontology, epistemology, formal logic and Psychology.
You?
"Revelations" are not proof.
I know far more about "Revelations" than you do. And yet again, people from EVERY religion claim to have them.
How arogant to presume you know more then me about revelations, you dont know me and you certainly have no faith.
Now lets look back 2000 years ago when science was none existant for us.
The only evidence then were witnesses and why would people risk persecution over Jesus for? many people seen him die and 3 days later many people seen him walking around.
He preformed miracles and healed the sick, walked on water, many people saw his miracles, wheres your scientific explanation for that?
you are obviously some sort of backwards person. Stop and think about it, we see this all the time, david copperfield+ harry houdini...these are call illusions simple illusions. taking a group of peopls word for fact that occured 2000 years ago would be like playing chinese whispers on a magnitude like no other? prove me wrong.
so your saying that if you didnt belive in god, you would rape ,murder and pilage? !!! see i dont need to be told what is "right or wrong" and i dont even belive in a god, morals existed long before jesus myth. And are you saying that the only reason you have morals is because of fear of god? well thats just disgusting. i dont need to be threatened with hell to be a good person.
Theres one thing being overlooked here, the occult. who do you explain Ouija boards that actually work, they used to sell them in shops but they banned them because people were going insane, and they do work if you do them right and are dangerous because you invite demons into yourself.
How do you explain exorcism? Why do people react violently when preists do this to people who have demons who which get casted out in the process? how do you explain ghosts?
@hustlerlankan. Jesus didn't threaten people with hell to be a good person. In fact, he exposed starting with the MOST religious peeps of the day how far short we all fall of God's standard of 'good'. Then..ahh He died, because it claims God so loved the world enough NOT to want people to go to hell,to rescue them from it. So the only reason someone can have the assurance of a good standing with God is entirely because of what he's done for them.
and actually you're right in one sense - threatening people with hell actually has no power to 'make anyone good'. But it's only depending on Jesus work (seen especially on the cross) that makes us 'all good & all right' before God.
exacly, my friend. it doesnt make sense to me. if there are no consequences, then i can do whatever the hell i want. however, there ARE consequences, so ill be a good little boy.
@hlankan- ur right, DC and HH are illusions - they never claimed anything more. But Jesus & his 'great illusion' was something his closet followers were willing to die for & did because they were convinced of it's truth & implications for the whole world. & 'this gigantic chinese whisper', it's actually written down & has more historical reasonableness& raw authenticity, than ur avg. history book. Best thing: go read it for urself & find out why this 'illusion' has caused so much commotion.
So how is it that you think that the revelations of people in your religion are evidence, but the revelations of people from every other religion which those people claim assert the truthfulness of their religion are false?
I do a Humanities degree at uni and so have studied many of the areas of study you suggested. I am also currently doing a subject on world religions and have read many books - incl the holy ones- on the topic. Maybe you need to allow your mind to be open and see the overwhelming evidence for God. Not all things in the world are proved through science - eruption of mt vesuvius, ancient rituals of pacific islanders, existence of Rameses II.... It's called history. Study it.
what does science prove? the bigbang is still only just a theory it may as well be a religion. and what evidence is there for it? expanding stars? or atleast what our limited view of the universe permits us to see.
please, to compare big bang theory with religion is stupid. there are cause and effect relationships that can be proved/measured/tested+repeated..nothing like that exist for religion.
heard of 'slip, slop slap' - put on some sunscreen or stay out of the sun mate! And why don't you go bigger to ask him about more than sunburn coz if that's your only problem in life, you got off easy. I'll give you a list to think over like..ahh family separation, abuse, war, poverty, deceit, depression, death. Go put on some suncreen and direct your insults to think about things that hurt even more than sunburn!
GEEEZ this sweetpea1682 guy sure is a NUTCASE! he rlly needs to get his HEAD OUTA THE BIBLE once in awhile and wake up to the real world. how the HELL can 'jesus' hav answers? hes DEAD! all yu've got to go by is a book, now thts PRETTY SAD if yu ask me. yu must hav no comern sense an no logic if yu still belive in tht MYTH, its the 21ST CENTURY Scientists hav proven tht there is NO SUCH THING AS GOD! and yu cant beat science, its got all the answers.
your right it is infinitely more believable that sum1 who you can't see or touch existed b4 anything and then went hey im gonna make stuff so he created a FUCKING UNIVERSE way 2 go
yeah! the big bang theory is way more believeable!...once there was nothing...then suddenly there was everything...and we cant prove why...wait...shit...
what is it exactly about Jesus that you think he's to blame? (Honest question) Have you actually read about the guy in the new testament of the bible? Coz there you find a bloke going around healing the sick,lame, blind, who spoke of loving even enemies, and in the end died becoz it says God 'loved the world'.
I urge you to read it & give him some serious thought...I don't know you, but I really don't want you to live to seriously regret those words.
maybe listen to it again?that is not the point of the ad. It simply observes that there are somethings in life which are genuinely good (like health, convenience, friends,) right? you can probably agree with this 2,but these things @ same time often fail to fully satisfy, don't take away anxiety of the future, fix our impatience, neither do they last. It is raising a dilemma of experiences in life that contradict each other.
But it finally makes a big claim that Jesus has the 'answers'. In fact going furthert than this ad, Jesus not only has answers - he actually claims to offer in himself the solution. Seriously, just go read about him in the bible - say in the book of Mark?
how much is this ad campaign costing? isnt there better things to do with it than thanking jesus for sunshine. dont let australia become like america please!
wow, do you have that same concern for every ad that comes on t.v.? what about billions spent on fast food ads, or make up or beer...why freak out when there is a short stint of ad's that actually stop & challenge you to actually think a little more seriously about some big questions of life..which you probably have asked at some capacity anyway. Chill out, it's not your money, it's funded by individuals and churches to help you stop & think about more than just beer or insurance.
actually i hate all ads especially the ones u listed, its funny how u can advertise such a bad drug on prime tv. my point is thats its pointless i have asked those questions about life very deeply and to say god is the answer is false and unhelpful.
But on this one, you're right in someways. It would be outright cruel (not just unhelpful as you gently put it) to raise such dilemmas of our human experience if it did not truly think it was true, and if there was no real hope & real answers to some of these importantly deep questions.
...I can only say to you - it claims arrogantly to be true & Jesus as the only truth. It's a massive massive claim. Why don't u just go investigate somewhere reliable, like one of the gospels. You really have nothing to lose, and possibly something incredibly liberating to gain. Like life changing, transforming answers.
to all atheists and agnostics, if you really dont believe in jesus, then why are you here? are you trying to convince everyone that jesus doesnt exist? cuz this is ad is trying to tell you that jesus does exist. so i suggest atheists who dont have anything nice to say about jesus or God, they shouldn't really be here unless they are willing to learn about Jesus.
i personally love these conversations about religion, but the thing i do hate is people forcing their beliefs on others. we all know u think its right or u wouldn't believe it in the first place, and thats the same with everybody's beliefs!
whether people think your god(s) or equivalent are real or bogus, trying to convince them isnt going to convince them.
and to all the internet flamers of religion, what do you get out of denouncing someones faith anyway?
jonnosun223 oh how would you know? its called STANDING UP FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE. and jesus would appreciate spreading the word. and if you didnt get the memo do you? if youve seen this ad SO MANY TIMES and u still dont believe in him, they're isnt any worth of you trying.. although jesus wants you to be holy. so if u still arent believing in jesus dying on the cross, you should get out of here.
CyrusAddictx + others- we are called to be loving in the way we treat others. by blowing up n telling those who are arguing/quarelling about Jesus' existence n their general discussion is a poor example and witness of what it means to follow Jesus.
Mate, God works in mysterious ways. Don't get angry at others disbelief in Jesus --> drop to your knees n pray for them instead
u guys, stop arguing whether you believe in jesus or not, if you dont believe in him, why are you watching a jesus ad? infact, you shouldnt be here.. although this ad is supposed to reach out to all non-christians. and if u still dont buy the story, you seriously still shouldnt be here. dont make up lies about jesus, cuz he is the one and only saviour. end of story.
Went off and did some reading and in a sense I agree with some of what you have to say and lets face it much of what the bible has to say is esentially how to treat others. If this is where religion stopped I'd be all for it.
I guess I just don't beleive in God, Jesus and the whole creation of the world/universe as preached in the bible. If that makes me less of a man than someone who does, then so be it.
lol sorry to drop in on conversation but I believe in jesus and what he did 4 sure, but thats a decision I came to and if you've come to the conclusion that you don't, that certainly does not make you less of a man at all!
Oh I know.. I mean I dont know why I believed my history teachers when they taught me about Rameses II, Alexander the Great or Napolean. I really should have asked them for a science experiment, some logic.. anything! to prove the existence of these people before they spoke one more word of utter bull...
History isn't science. We do not test history with scientific experiments with test it with corroborating records from history.
We know about Rameses II, Alexander the Great and Napolean because a lot of different people talked about them and recorded their stories. The only source of the biblical tales is the bible its self, they are mentioned nowhere else.
If the bible is to be accepted as a document of history, it requires corroborating records from reputable sources.
Really? The first manuscript which talks about Alexander the Great was written 400yrs after his death. We believe he existed.
The first manuscript (letter) about Jesus was written, wait for it, 2yrs after his death. From the originals, we have 8 papyri copies of letters from Paul and other books dating to the year 200AD. These are known as the Chester Beatty Biblical Papyri. There are 306 papyrus manuscripts dating back as early as the third century known as Codex Sinaiticus.
Another form of writing different to th uncial Greek manuscripts as mentioned b4 is the minuscule manuscripts-there are 2856 of these. In addition to th Greek manuscripts there r 8000-10000 Latin vulgate, 8000 in Ethiopic, Slavic & Armenian. In total there are 24, 000 manuscripts of the New Testament....and there are in agreement. F.F.Bruce, prof University of Manchester, Eng: "There is no body of ancient literature in the world which enjoys such a wealth of good textual attestation as the NT".
F.F.Bruce was an evangelist so I highly doubt he would say anything that would suggest the events never took place. His view of the subject is highly biased and is therefore an unreliable source.
The fact is there is no mention of Jesus or his acts by any reputable secular historian of the time.
So his creds mean nothing. If someone is a Christian, they throw all of their intellect, studies and reputation away to lie about something he knows isnt real?? And in the light of all that evidence of copies of the NT, all you can comment on is the quote... I find it strange that you believe in Alex the Great with one manuscript written 400yrs after his death - with NO OTHER SUPPORTING DOCS - but as soon as you are faced with 24,000 manuscripts all saying the same thing, it's a lie.
Josephus, born AD37. He was a Pharisee (jew). Took part in the Jewish-Roman war from AD66-74. His work The Antiquities was a history of the jewish ppl from 'creation' to his time. completed in about AD93. He writes: "He (Ananias) convened a meeting of the Sanhedrin and brought before them a man named Jesus, who was called the Christ, and certain others. He accused them of having transgressed the law and delivered them up to be stoned."
This is just says there was a man names Jesus. It doenst say he walked on water or that he was ressurected.
And yes, I think it is important to take into measure someone bias when regarding what they say. F.F.Bruce is an evangelical and an apologist. Apologetics bases a lot of its arguments on assumptions. For this reason I do not feel F.F.Bruce is a reliable source.
Apologetics bases a lot of its arguments on assumptions? Ummm, not really. It's just the Christian defence of other peoples incorrect assumptions on matters like 'religion causes all wars'.
There are sources that attest to Jesus doing 'sorcery' and being crucified for blasphemous claims etc that will all back up gospel information. But there is no point me saying them because you must not have done history in school and so will continue to call this an 'irrational' argument of 'no evidence!'.
Christian apologetics is founded in the assumption that there is an intelligent designer. Apologetics starts with a conclusion and works backwards.
There are a lot of records of 'sorcery' from those times. Apollonius of Tyana was claimed by his followers to heal the sick, raise the dead and walk through walls.
"But there is no point me saying them"
If you can provide them I would like to hear them.
This ad is total bullshit and shouldnt be allowed anywhere near public telly. Its dumb shit like this and hair regrowth advertisements that australia seems to be lagging behind and not realising that bullshit like this shouldnt be told as fact to many impressionable idiots/children. Keep your fucking beliefs away from the public unless you're gonna prove it with more than just a book written by people.
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Sounds like a cop out of a video in a quick way of instant answers.
ThatSkeptic 5 months ago
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heretohelp1000 1 year ago
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familyhoy 2 years ago
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xxcaityxxo 2 years ago
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How is this commercial unfair? Also, their running the Harry Potter movies on TV at the moment. Is that evening things out for you?
raging78 2 years ago
@raging78 It's specific to one religion, I've yet to see any advertisements for any other religion or atheism. I don't object to advertisement, I do object to unfair bias towards one group of people. Oh and very clever, my username means we can bring Harry Potter in, and no it doesn't even things out because Harry Potter is simple entertainment while this is an ad that is trying to convert people and there's nothing to counter it.
potterfanatic2 2 years ago
Not quite. This is a self-funded campaign by the churches the create conversation, not conversion, about Jesus. There's no reason why a Hindu or atheist or any other religious/organisation can't do the same. We live in a democratic country where, if you have the financial support, you can advertise and put forward your own message or product the same way the churches have for this campaign. Besides, it only runs for 6 weeks and you can always flick to another channel while the ad is on.
raging78 2 years ago
I understand, I kinda wish that I personally had the money to run an atheist ad, maybe even run them as a duo so you have both side one after another. It's only for 6 weeks? Honestly feels like longer to me, not only is there an ad on the TV (And I do try and change the channel each time, or at least leave the room) but those large sign things are going up, and I know if I put one up to say the same thing but for atheism that someone'll tell me to take it down
potterfanatic2 2 years ago
I know what you mean and i know what you're saying with running both ads at the same time. I'm a christian, but I'd be happy for an Atheist organisation to run their own ad campaign (I'm going to get some negative comments for saying this)! I actually like to hear all the different viewpoints and am against censorship of that nature. At the end of the day, people need to make up their own minds what path they follow. I should know; I was an Atheist for most of my life.
raging78 2 years ago
Actually, there have been two recent attempts: an ad campaign with APN Outdoor (largest outdoor advertising agency in Australia, and with Metro Tasmania (state-owned bus service). Both organisations rejected the advertising campaigns because they were "too controversial/offensive". Now that's not exactly democratic, is it.
On another note, I don't watch TV (partially due to the ads), but it pains me to see all those bloody annoying Jesus banners around. He's dead, get with it.
jacobbrett119 2 years ago
The Metro Tasmania case was over-turned a few months ago in favour of the Atheists. As for APN; I don't agree with their decision and am surprised by it. That's a decision their CEO has to live with I guess.
Also, don't get too flustered by the seeing all those banners around. Just look in the opposite direction like I do when I see an ad for Australian Idol!
By the way; Jesus may be dead to you (which I accept) but he's not dead too me.
Peace to you jacobbrett119.
raging78 2 years ago
and then i say, Jesus is alive, get with it. and you don't see that as patronising at all?
have you seen those non smoking ads, shit man they are terribly offensive, massive billboards showing the inside of a smokers lungs, or their brain, or their feet with toes falling off, i have to look away...do you sit and stare at them? they are designed to be disgusting.
just maybe look away instead of getting so upset?
i'm pretty sure jesus was never democratic, isn't that why they killed him?
justinstereo 2 years ago
@justinstereo Give me legitimate proof he's alive.
No, These Jesus banners disgust me because they're baseless on any proven evidence (No, the Christian Bible doesn't count as proof.).
jacobbrett119 2 years ago
@jacobbrett119 cold doesn't exist. it is a word used to describe the absence of heat. darkness doesn't exist. it is a word used to describe the absence of light. these are things we can see or touch, but we still believe in them. we know they exist, just as we know God exists--it's all about faith.
cmrams2011 1 year ago
@cmrams2011 I can't see or touch your god. Your analogy fails.
jacobbrett119 1 year ago
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zanthorthegreat 11 months ago
Children's brains are no match for colourful advertisements telling them that something is flat out true with no evidence.
The Tooth Fairy is made up and its part of childhood that they believe in that kind of stuff.
But this is more like conscription.
Children (and easily led adults) don't have the mental capacity to decide for themselves yet, and when they see this ad they may be swayed into something that has no basis.
Scary thought.
PocketJaces 2 years ago 5
* Why don't we engage on convo about what is actually written, said of Jesus? after u've read something. I'm not going to prove it's true to you when you are not prepared to open the pages of the book. It's like saying 'prove to me the stars exist' when I'm not prepared to look at the sky.
sweetpea1682 2 years ago
That is an absolutely ridiculous analogy.
We have physical proof that the stars exist.
We have no physical proof that Jesus, if he existed, was the son of god (the existence of which cannot also be proven nor disproven).
Only second-hand accounts from people who also wrote that those who work on the sabbath should be put to death.
Until you have proof that the bible isn't fantasy, it is foolish to blindly believe in it, let alone launch a marketing campaign against impressionable youth.
PocketJaces 2 years ago 3
Ok fine - those millions who believe in the bible & in transforming work of Jesus are fools, we all live in caves & believe also in tooth fairies, we know nothing about how history or science works (I mean don't look for us universities or anything becoz we're certainly not there..or in anything even vaguely intelligent)....
sweetpea1682 2 years ago
...we like to believe becoz we can't handle real life', or 'real death', & we always make practice of following a jewish bloke who possibly did not even live & like to waste time telling people about him becoz he makes absolutely no difference..and frankly the world would be a much better place if the world never had any Christians..or even better..Jesus. (The End).
sweetpea1682 2 years ago 3
There is not one independent writing which supports any of the supernatural claims of the bible.
The campaign slogan should be "It's all about LIES"!
jplesk 2 years ago 2
god probably doesn't exist.
there is no evidence that he/she/it does.
if there is a god, it certainly isn't as simple as some guy sent to earth to die, it would be something far more intricate.
when we all get over organised religion the human race can finally get to the stage of enlightenment that has been such a long time coming.
PocketJaces 2 years ago
@PocketJaces - ahh we've been in the so called age of enlightenment for over a century now. We're more educated, scientifically advanced, 'enlightened' than any century before us - & while it has certainly led to lots of good things, the last century has seen also seen some of the WORST atrocities in history (we're smarter @ killing each other), we're richer than we've ever been, and yet millions continue to die from complete starvation. Wake me up when we get even more enlightened.
sweetpea1682 2 years ago
i didn't say we were perfect.
but we shouldn't be so blind as to follow ludicrous unscientific claims from an outdated source.
PocketJaces 2 years ago
@PocketJaces - guess what?!? God totally already assumed your response about the foolishness of a message about a crucified Christ. It calls it (the cross) the 'wisdom & power of God' - foolishness to some, life to others. Do you have a bible? If so, read the book of 1 Corinthians Chapter 1 and 2. It picks up some of the stuff you've said. Let me know what u think?
sweetpea1682 2 years ago
seriously, the fact that you think you KNOW what god has or has not assumed about me is just ridiculous. not only do you think you have a relationship with god, you think you know how he works and acts?
you are delusional.
PocketJaces 2 years ago
@PocketJaces - hey i know it sounds arrogant, but 'knowing God' is only possible becoz he has made himself known to the world. A little like any other r'ship - the only way you can really 'know' me is if I tell you what I'm like, dislike etc. Otherwise u'd be left 2 make some guesses. But God has not left us in the dark, he has made himself known - he has spoken & acted in Jesus. Why don't u just go read one of the gospels which speak about him & find out if it's true?!?
sweetpea1682 2 years ago
just because it's written in a book doesn't mean it's true. if you believe the bible then why not the quran or the torah, both of which precede the bible and are far more extensive? you are simply choosing to believe one ancient book over another. god has not made himself known, you are just believing something that has absolutely no evidence from a book many years past its expiry.
PocketJaces 2 years ago
in what way is it more extensive? How does extensiveness prove truth? & actually bible is built on the torah & Jewish prophets. It predates Korah as a whole. I'm prepared to read, investigate whatever. My belief in Jesus doesn't stop me from using my brain or thinking..in fact it encourages it. But you sound like ur nervous to even pick up the book?!?
sweetpea1682 2 years ago
@PocketJaces and sorry ur right, I don't know what God has necessarily thinks about u, but ur response about the foolishness of the cross was expected by God thats all.
sweetpea1682 2 years ago
the fact that you think know what god expects or does not expect from me is ridiculous. you do not know what god expects, because you are not god.
PocketJaces 2 years ago
1) Correct I am not god (that is a most glaringly obvious thing). But part of the problem is that we all pretend we are & ignore the real one in the process.
* Torah makes up the 1st 5 books of the bible.
* I've read some of the Koran & Vedas (hindu book) - on the surface they might seem the same, but they disagree@ crucial points. Therefore can't all be right. The bible offered historical reasonableness, but even more, words of truth claims that totally challenged my heart & mind - my life.
sweetpea1682 2 years ago
Again you are saying "real one" as if you have proof of a god that so many of us just fail to see.
If you think that the bible offered historical reasonableness, you clearly are not a student of history.
"Words of truth" is another phrase you are using, but you don't actually prove HOW its true. Saying something is true to prove that its factual is circular and nonsensical.
PocketJaces 2 years ago
*I actually said it had 'words of truth claims'. IT claims to be true itself. Yes, it's circular ANY claim of ultimate authority on something is going to be circular.
* Toothfairy, santa -kids might believe when they're kids but they grow out of it. & I don't knw any adult who suddenly starts believing in them at a later age. Jesus - millions have come to believe later on in life, & continue to till the day they die. Difference!
sweetpea1682 2 years ago
Things can be tested and re-tested under the same conditions (like chemical reactions) are finite and not circular.
Just because lots of people believe in it doesn't make it real. Those listed as "Christian" in census forms mostly do because their country has had missionaries (Africa) or their family pushed it on them as a child (USA).
There is no physical evidence for either the existence of a tooth fairy nor Jesus being the son of god. Thus they have the same value of truth - virtually none.
PocketJaces 2 years ago 2
Hey Jesus,
thanks for the Marijuana,
&
thanks for the wine
dgls57 2 years ago 3
I keep seeing those Jesus banners everywhere. I can't believe how many churches there are, it's quite sad. I bet people attending the JAAL campaigns won't learn a damn thing about life. What propaganda.
Boy192 2 years ago 4
"All about life."
Ironically, he's dead.
jacobbrett119 2 years ago
@jacobbrett119 - if that's true mate, if Jesus did not actually rise from the dead..then the bible is actually the FIRST to put up its hand & say..that the Christianity, it's preaching & people believing, is in vain..and the people who believe in Christianity are the fools of all fools, to be pitied amongst all men.
It's a make or break matter for the entire faith & for the billions that believe. Might be worth investigating?
sweetpea1682 2 years ago
Well of course its true, Christianity will soon go the way of every religion before it - extinction. I don't really care for the mainstream sheep who are too afraid of the concept of death/eternal Hell. Besides, I wouldn't trust a book put out by the Catholics (the most ridiculous denomination) anyway haha.
jacobbrett119 2 years ago
Every religion?? 5 billion people on the planet have a religion... a majority of people.. i dont think it's going anywhere fast. Judaism and Hinduism are the oldest religions on the planet starting around 1500BC. 3500 yrs and 750 million members is a pretty good track record.
soph0589 2 years ago
Every Religion before it - then defunct. "5 billion people" now has no relevance to the size of Christianity, nor my statement.
The fact is, Atheism is on the rise, and Chrisianity (and all other major religions) will eventually become extinct (or close to extinction) just like the Ancient Greek, Ancient Egyptian, Celtic and Roman religions (ironically, Christmas was derived from the last two).
jacobbrett119 2 years ago
[Part II:]
Actually, the first probable organised religions started appearing around 9,800BC, you could go further back to 70,000BC or even older for the first signs of monument worship.
jacobbrett119 2 years ago
@max2000warrior
I guess that's just your opinion. It doesn't explain how the Earth came to be. Evolution with gasses and stuff. They might know the gasses, they just can't create the actual life.
orangepicklesquink 2 years ago
There are no gods. Only Man!
max2000warrior 2 years ago 5
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hey jesus, thanks for cancer : )
hustlerlankan 2 years ago 3
hey jesus, thanks for aids : )
hustlerlankan 2 years ago 8
Hey Jesus.
Thanks for Polio....
comashey 2 years ago 9
The best thing about that was the end, and a child indoctrinating christian being burnt by nature, and wanting more.
You ignore science which has given you everything, even the ability to destroy those who disagree with you tall tales.
Hang your lousy heads in shame. And stay out of our schools.
hank1oz 2 years ago 4
'Thanks for sunshine'
What. The. Heck.
The sun is a beautiful but average ball of gas undergoing fusion reactions, of which there are 100 billion in our galaxy alone, with some 100 billion other galaxies in the observable universe.
If you deliberately suppress your faculty of reason enough to believe that they were made by a zombie carpenter in a 2,000 year-old-fairytale, you are a delusional idiot.
Teach it to kids and you are evil. Get *paid* for teaching it to kids, and you're monstrous.
happysinger 2 years ago 4
Yeah, this campaign seems to be centred around nonsense "feel-good" fluff.
jacobbrett119 2 years ago 2
Am I the only one that lol'd?
moptopcooper 2 years ago 3
So watching this commercial I thought it wasn't really going anywhere, of course that was until I saw its conclusion. I am, of course, disgusted.
lordmilko 2 years ago
wtf is wrong with the english speaking world religion is something private not a "sellout" product or some bullshit. That´s the Way it rolls in Germany, ive also seen those God is Dead Bullshit in Subways, this is retarted so christians STFU! Atheists STFU! , religion is a choice a heart must make not a tv ad must convince. Sorry for ass sucking english but it had to be
floyo123 2 years ago
Continued...
Look at it this way. If we are supposed to be God's favorite creation, why would he make Faith the thing that makes folks love him the most, and logic makes us doubt him more than anything, when logic is the only thing that makes us better than all "His other creations" (Other animals and such) I mean, my dog has faith, plenty of it, she's a tiny little thing, and she will jump from a high counter with the faith that I will catch her, but she has basically no logic. Think about it.
JumpsuitJamboree 2 years ago 2
yo Jumpsuit - u jump the wrong ride on the logic thing. It's not 'logic' that makes us 'better', but the fact that God has made us 'in his image' that gives us a 'special' r'ship with God. & part of that involves 'ruling' the world under him. He's given us the BRAINS & resources to do it, the problem is we want to do it WITHOUT him, kick him outta the pic & be our own lil gods running around, clashing heads & great job we've done with the world wouldn't u say?!?
sweetpea1682 2 years ago
i like u guys. got facebook? lol
WillSeach 2 years ago
(contin) The problem is not Logic persay..but logic without God. U don't have to leave ur brains @ the door to follow Jesus - just gotta use it properly.
sweetpea1682 2 years ago
Think about it.....
:)
sweetpea1682 2 years ago
Haha, I was linked here, and I laughed. Not because I am an atheist, and this video is dumb, but because of all the Christains with there loose and nonlogical arguements. "Open your mind" is my favorite....Having "Faith" is quite the opposite of having an open mind. To beleive in something blindly without ever questioning it is like the exsact deffinition of close-mindedness. (or close enough) I'm out of character space...arguement continued in a moment...
JumpsuitJamboree 2 years ago
hey all. just one question for all the athiests out there. why are you here? you come here either seeking faith or to argue. if you come here to argue, then you have closed your mind off to the truth. now ask yourself. why do you argue with us? because you think we are stupid? well then, spend your time arguing with the people that do stupid things that affect you. if anybody wants to talk then i will do all i can to help. i have facebook under this name, look me up if you want.
WillSeach 2 years ago
Will, Will, Will.
*We* aren't the ones imposing on *you* with demonstrably false advertising. When you leave us alone -- totally --, when you stop brainwashing children and vulnerable adults with this wickedness, when you stop interfering in politics, science and education for religious reasons, then we'll leave you alone.
Until then, people of reason will not rest silently until your sickening faith reforms or goes the way of the 20,000 other childish god-cults.
happysinger 2 years ago
... how is christianity "sickening"? what we preach is right. the only reason that things are "sins" is because they harm people or relationships. and if you find it brainwashing for us to teach morals, even if u ignore the rest of it, then you are on sick, sad little man.
WillSeach 2 years ago
thats where you are wrong, if sin is only wrong because it harms other people then why is gluttony, and lust or even fornication a sin?
It's purely wrong because god says it is, theres no real reason.
mh4777abc 2 years ago 2
correction. there IS a reason, you just cant see it. the way that god wants us to live is a life that is free from all of that drama and stuff. people dont cheat on eachother, people share, no one is hungry or rejected. if you fail to realise that you have to THINK about things, than im wasting my time.
WillSeach 2 years ago
I see what the reason is: Its to keep me out of ever going to heaven or ever having a real chance of being saved.
God doesn't care about me, only his select few who have their names written in the book of life, where as I have nothing, no real friends, no job, no girlfriend, no money, no purpose.
Where others are born wealthy, born brilliant and intelligent, born beautiful, born lucky, and what was i born with? None of those things, fuck all, thats why im killing myself.
mh4777abc 2 years ago
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orangepicklesquink 2 years ago
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mh4777abc
He loves us equally, even if we have nothing.
orangepicklesquink 2 years ago
@mh4777abc - yep life can seem pretty random & unfair at times & I'm sorry that u seem to have got the worse end of it. U & lot of the world with you. We're in majority!
But God does care & he's done something so incredible it in Jesus. U don't know need to know if ur in the 'book of life' - no-one knows. But u can take his offer to all, to come find true life in him. His promise: 'For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life'
sweetpea1682 2 years ago
@sweetpea1682 live life for life, not for an imaginary god you have been indoctrinated into.
PocketJaces 2 years ago 2
Wow, I'm sorry, did you just say "But God does care & he's done something so incredible it in Jesus." First of all, why do you believe that there is a God, and second, how can you possibly know what he is thinking and whether or not he has acted upon a human being? This leads me to think that the concept of God was all created by superstition humans about 3000 years ago.
AdrianLechner92 2 years ago
@WillSeach enjoy life as life, and nothing more. there is no god, but don't let that stop you form marvelling at the beauty of the universe.
PocketJaces 2 years ago
Becasue will, its godbods that have changed the law in Victoria so they can discriminate against; gender, martial status, divorcee, sexual orientation, religion, and if you are a parent.
That is sickening! Not to mention the push to teach creationism in high schools indead of evolution. And the denial of health care to rape victems who may not want to carry their rapiest baby to full term.
I'm sorry, but you guys preach love but you impose secretly cruelty and ignorence from behind close doors
TheFluffyDuck 2 years ago
i hadnt seen the tv ad yet, ive seen all the posters around. I love it, good questions, good point to it, hope you all investigate Jesus more.
686Eddy 2 years ago
Jesus isnt actually about THIS life at all. Hes all about the NEXT life which is supposed to make everything better and justify this life.
Hes all about how you can only get to that 'next life' it by worshiping him alone and doing everything he says and telling his earthly institutions every time you do something wrong and donating money to them.
Oh, and hes all about telling you that if you dont worship him alone above all else despite lack of evidence you will be tortured for eternity.
moyga 2 years ago
It's funny how they say "Jesus has Answers" but they don't give any.
moyga 2 years ago
Really? He has the answers? Thats fantasitc! Im doing a maths exam the day after tomorrow and I really want the answers to solving the real numbers on a complex plane: Re{(1-2i)^2}
Will a prayer do? Or is it in the bible?
TheFluffyDuck 2 years ago
I didnt say he did.. maybe you should slow down and reread what I said lol.
moyga 2 years ago
I know man, I was being supportive with my sarcasm :(
TheFluffyDuck 2 years ago
haha ok ^^
moyga 2 years ago
I think it's hilarious to see the amount of people writing comments bad mouthing this ad, do you think your comment will change what i believe?
also to "tonyyyyyw" if you dont believe in what jesus teaches, thats fine, but to deny he existed as a whole? do some research..
and congradulations to "Gnarkill666xx " good job for mispelling 'evolution'...it sure seems like the 'smarter' chioice now...
Ninjaboy108 2 years ago
No we are used to close minded people. We like laughing at them. Sometimes ridicule is the most logical choice when presented with utter stupidity :)
TheFluffyDuck 2 years ago
=)
It's obvious all of you have a comment. And as alot of you are trying to say, that you don't care, obviously you are interested in this, you only pay attention to a tire add, if you need a new tire. =)
Jesus does have all the answers, and he cares about you, wether you think/like it or not. I'm not going to try to convince you Jesus is real, that wouldn't even make a difference. But hey, if you want to learn more about life, you should give Jesus a go! What do you have to lose?
aanngguusscclliinntt 2 years ago
its called EVERLOTION
Gnarkill666xx 2 years ago
jesus on PRIME TIME tv???
what bullshit!!!
this makes my blood boil...
christians, enjoy your delusion but PLEASE, stop indoctrinating the rest of us with your lies and illogical impossible claims!
ScarlettRose93 2 years ago
btw 4got 2 mention this is fucking blatant propaganda
tonyyyyyw 2 years ago
He doesn't exist get over it kk bye
tonyyyyyw 2 years ago
Pfft, Buddha has far more answers than Jesus and im an Atheist. If you want to know more about these kinds of things study Philosophy.. not the bible.
moyga 2 years ago
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sweetpea1682 2 years ago
none of YOU have the answers.
Everyone likes to think they are right, it's funny how everyone does.
Jesus is only part of the answer, you are the other part.
mh4777abc 2 years ago
@mh4777abc - true, everyone thinks they're right, but clearly not everyone is right..because there is some obvious disagreement going on here. Can't have it all be true in the same way. Something's gotta give.
So genuine question: In what do you think Jesus is part..and you are part of the answer? And to what question exactly?
Thanks!
sweetpea1682 2 years ago
Well his life is the example - live at peace with everyone and love god; and the first part of the answer in life, the second part is you following this example.
How can people be so gullable to believe there cant exist a god? the universe is too mathematically accurate for it to simply be a cooincidence.
mh4777abc 2 years ago
Further more, there is no evidence for God.
If you had ever taken a Critical Thinking unit at University you would know that the burden of proof rests on the theists to prove God, and not only God, but their specific God and that he wants what they claim him to want and is what they say about him. You would also know that appealing to ignorance is a logical fallacy.
Why dont you go and study some Psychology, Philosophy and the history of the bible and world religions first.
moyga 2 years ago
Well its ignorant to dismiss the existance of God because our primative science doesnt hold the answer. Perhaps God does exist and doesnt want to reveal himself to this world to be idolised and critised, perhaps he has a plan that can't be revealing his existance to people so they have to love him not because they fear hell.
mh4777abc 2 years ago
Its not ignorant to lack belief in a deity, which is what Athiesm is, its not saying that its impossible that there could be a God.
You need to think more about these things, for example if you took pause for some rational reflection you might realize that you in fact lack belief in lots of deities, you dont believe in Zeus or in the Muslim God or the Hindu Gods.
Does that make you ignorant?
Think more about these things. You have the rational capacity to deduce truth from premises.
moyga 2 years ago
have you read the bible? read it if you haven't, don't read just the old testament and be put off, read the new testament.
The only real evidence is 'revelations', if that comes to pass you will have your proof although it may be too late then.
mh4777abc 2 years ago
Not only have I read the Bible, but ive also read a fair bit of the Torah, and of the Buddhist religious texts etc. Have you read any of the OTHER religions texts? Why do you think that your religion is the right one then?
I have studied the religions, I also study Science. Statistics, morality, ontology, epistemology, formal logic and Psychology.
You?
"Revelations" are not proof.
I know far more about "Revelations" than you do. And yet again, people from EVERY religion claim to have them.
moyga 2 years ago
How arogant to presume you know more then me about revelations, you dont know me and you certainly have no faith.
Now lets look back 2000 years ago when science was none existant for us.
The only evidence then were witnesses and why would people risk persecution over Jesus for? many people seen him die and 3 days later many people seen him walking around.
He preformed miracles and healed the sick, walked on water, many people saw his miracles, wheres your scientific explanation for that?
mh4777abc 2 years ago
you are obviously some sort of backwards person. Stop and think about it, we see this all the time, david copperfield+ harry houdini...these are call illusions simple illusions. taking a group of peopls word for fact that occured 2000 years ago would be like playing chinese whispers on a magnitude like no other? prove me wrong.
hustlerlankan 2 years ago
well must have been a pretty good illusion to raise people from the dead.
mh4777abc 2 years ago
LOL... i hope you have thrown all your history books out the window then too.
soph0589 2 years ago
LOL , nope, but i dont have any history books claiming to raise the dead, part seas and men talking to burning bushes... ROFL
hustlerlankan 2 years ago 5
Just imagine how much of a fool you will look if there is a God.
Why do people even have morals if they believe theres nothing after death.
mh4777abc 2 years ago
so your saying that if you didnt belive in god, you would rape ,murder and pilage? !!! see i dont need to be told what is "right or wrong" and i dont even belive in a god, morals existed long before jesus myth. And are you saying that the only reason you have morals is because of fear of god? well thats just disgusting. i dont need to be threatened with hell to be a good person.
hustlerlankan 2 years ago
Theres one thing being overlooked here, the occult. who do you explain Ouija boards that actually work, they used to sell them in shops but they banned them because people were going insane, and they do work if you do them right and are dangerous because you invite demons into yourself.
How do you explain exorcism? Why do people react violently when preists do this to people who have demons who which get casted out in the process? how do you explain ghosts?
mh4777abc 2 years ago
@hustlerlankan. Jesus didn't threaten people with hell to be a good person. In fact, he exposed starting with the MOST religious peeps of the day how far short we all fall of God's standard of 'good'. Then..ahh He died, because it claims God so loved the world enough NOT to want people to go to hell,to rescue them from it. So the only reason someone can have the assurance of a good standing with God is entirely because of what he's done for them.
sweetpea1682 2 years ago
and actually you're right in one sense - threatening people with hell actually has no power to 'make anyone good'. But it's only depending on Jesus work (seen especially on the cross) that makes us 'all good & all right' before God.
sweetpea1682 2 years ago 2
exacly, my friend. it doesnt make sense to me. if there are no consequences, then i can do whatever the hell i want. however, there ARE consequences, so ill be a good little boy.
WillSeach 2 years ago
but not if you know you are going to die soon.
mh4777abc 2 years ago
@hlankan- ur right, DC and HH are illusions - they never claimed anything more. But Jesus & his 'great illusion' was something his closet followers were willing to die for & did because they were convinced of it's truth & implications for the whole world. & 'this gigantic chinese whisper', it's actually written down & has more historical reasonableness& raw authenticity, than ur avg. history book. Best thing: go read it for urself & find out why this 'illusion' has caused so much commotion.
sweetpea1682 2 years ago 2
So how is it that you think that the revelations of people in your religion are evidence, but the revelations of people from every other religion which those people claim assert the truthfulness of their religion are false?
moyga 2 years ago
I do a Humanities degree at uni and so have studied many of the areas of study you suggested. I am also currently doing a subject on world religions and have read many books - incl the holy ones- on the topic. Maybe you need to allow your mind to be open and see the overwhelming evidence for God. Not all things in the world are proved through science - eruption of mt vesuvius, ancient rituals of pacific islanders, existence of Rameses II.... It's called history. Study it.
soph0589 2 years ago
Did you ever take a critical thinking or formal logic unit? It doesn't sound like it, and what evidence?
Not just for God, but your specific God, and that he wants what you believe he does etc.
moyga 2 years ago
what does science prove? the bigbang is still only just a theory it may as well be a religion. and what evidence is there for it? expanding stars? or atleast what our limited view of the universe permits us to see.
mh4777abc 2 years ago
Troll detected.
lordmilko 2 years ago
please, to compare big bang theory with religion is stupid. there are cause and effect relationships that can be proved/measured/tested+repeated..nothing like that exist for religion.
hustlerlankan 2 years ago
Thanks jesus for famine, disease, ignoring the third world, war, this campaign, natural disasters, you're a pal.
ibeatwow 2 years ago 6
Hey jesus thnx 4 evrything, like sunburn YA ARSEHOLE!!
Gnarkill666xx 2 years ago
heard of 'slip, slop slap' - put on some sunscreen or stay out of the sun mate! And why don't you go bigger to ask him about more than sunburn coz if that's your only problem in life, you got off easy. I'll give you a list to think over like..ahh family separation, abuse, war, poverty, deceit, depression, death. Go put on some suncreen and direct your insults to think about things that hurt even more than sunburn!
sweetpea1682 2 years ago
GEEEZ this sweetpea1682 guy sure is a NUTCASE! he rlly needs to get his HEAD OUTA THE BIBLE once in awhile and wake up to the real world. how the HELL can 'jesus' hav answers? hes DEAD! all yu've got to go by is a book, now thts PRETTY SAD if yu ask me. yu must hav no comern sense an no logic if yu still belive in tht MYTH, its the 21ST CENTURY Scientists hav proven tht there is NO SUCH THING AS GOD! and yu cant beat science, its got all the answers.
Gnarkill666xx 2 years ago
Who's the scientists? It's not pretty sad. What have they proven? You can't say that.
Oh wow, big bang, big coincidence, world, great, were alive. I dunno how that just happened eh sherlock?
FlameBunny1 2 years ago
your right it is infinitely more believable that sum1 who you can't see or touch existed b4 anything and then went hey im gonna make stuff so he created a FUCKING UNIVERSE way 2 go
tonyyyyyw 2 years ago
yeah! the big bang theory is way more believeable!...once there was nothing...then suddenly there was everything...and we cant prove why...wait...shit...
Ninjaboy108 2 years ago
Its good to see they have finally made an ad showing us that jesus is to blame for all the shit things in life.
superRAJbros 2 years ago
what is it exactly about Jesus that you think he's to blame? (Honest question) Have you actually read about the guy in the new testament of the bible? Coz there you find a bloke going around healing the sick,lame, blind, who spoke of loving even enemies, and in the end died becoz it says God 'loved the world'.
I urge you to read it & give him some serious thought...I don't know you, but I really don't want you to live to seriously regret those words.
sweetpea1682 2 years ago
this ad is promoting bad things in life, and then suggesting that life is all about jesus. therefore jesus=bad stuff.
superRAJbros 2 years ago
maybe listen to it again?that is not the point of the ad. It simply observes that there are somethings in life which are genuinely good (like health, convenience, friends,) right? you can probably agree with this 2,but these things @ same time often fail to fully satisfy, don't take away anxiety of the future, fix our impatience, neither do they last. It is raising a dilemma of experiences in life that contradict each other.
sweetpea1682 2 years ago
But it finally makes a big claim that Jesus has the 'answers'. In fact going furthert than this ad, Jesus not only has answers - he actually claims to offer in himself the solution. Seriously, just go read about him in the bible - say in the book of Mark?
sweetpea1682 2 years ago
jesus is some dead guy from 2000 years in the past who possibly didn't even exist. i seriously doubt he has any answers.
superRAJbros 2 years ago
plz, separate religion conversion attempts from my television screen
guysmarsh 2 years ago
This is a cult, like hillsong.
ibeatwow 2 years ago 2
...like w.o.w
soph0589 2 years ago
whats the one object that verbally gets thanked? THE SUN. do some research into what Christianity was born from.
zumerian 2 years ago
Zeitgeist doesnt count as research...
soph0589 2 years ago
If I think Jesus is the best thing does that mean that Jesus ends?
btrausch 2 years ago
That is a bit like saying that if we are to love our enemies, does that mean we must love Satan, our chief enemy
hamilton58940 2 years ago 2
how much is this ad campaign costing? isnt there better things to do with it than thanking jesus for sunshine. dont let australia become like america please!
harlosik13 2 years ago
wow, do you have that same concern for every ad that comes on t.v.? what about billions spent on fast food ads, or make up or beer...why freak out when there is a short stint of ad's that actually stop & challenge you to actually think a little more seriously about some big questions of life..which you probably have asked at some capacity anyway. Chill out, it's not your money, it's funded by individuals and churches to help you stop & think about more than just beer or insurance.
sweetpea1682 2 years ago
actually i hate all ads especially the ones u listed, its funny how u can advertise such a bad drug on prime tv. my point is thats its pointless i have asked those questions about life very deeply and to say god is the answer is false and unhelpful.
harlosik13 2 years ago
haha - glad we agree on some crap ad's.
But on this one, you're right in someways. It would be outright cruel (not just unhelpful as you gently put it) to raise such dilemmas of our human experience if it did not truly think it was true, and if there was no real hope & real answers to some of these importantly deep questions.
sweetpea1682 2 years ago
further..to last comment to you:
...I can only say to you - it claims arrogantly to be true & Jesus as the only truth. It's a massive massive claim. Why don't u just go investigate somewhere reliable, like one of the gospels. You really have nothing to lose, and possibly something incredibly liberating to gain. Like life changing, transforming answers.
sweetpea1682 2 years ago
This advert has made me a convert!!! lol a rhyme! I love Jesus!!!!!!!!
Koffism 2 years ago
Darwin. All About Reality.
ineedsomesleep 2 years ago
you realise the whole idea of this campain is to get the name of Jesus out there and people talking and that's just what they've done. Good Work :)
graceygeorge 2 years ago
Jesus isn't a can of coke. Your crappy advertising campaigns are cheesy and embarrasing. Stop it.
JessClearwater 2 years ago
to all atheists and agnostics, if you really dont believe in jesus, then why are you here? are you trying to convince everyone that jesus doesnt exist? cuz this is ad is trying to tell you that jesus does exist. so i suggest atheists who dont have anything nice to say about jesus or God, they shouldn't really be here unless they are willing to learn about Jesus.
CyrusAddictx 2 years ago
im hear to pay it out itss soooo pathetic LOL hahahahaha it fails to the extreme!!!!
zooty2 2 years ago
That's a really good point, elegantly put. Do you do debating at school? Cause you should!
Koffism 2 years ago
i personally love these conversations about religion, but the thing i do hate is people forcing their beliefs on others. we all know u think its right or u wouldn't believe it in the first place, and thats the same with everybody's beliefs!
whether people think your god(s) or equivalent are real or bogus, trying to convince them isnt going to convince them.
and to all the internet flamers of religion, what do you get out of denouncing someones faith anyway?
bowratigers 2 years ago
jonnosun223 oh how would you know? its called STANDING UP FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE. and jesus would appreciate spreading the word. and if you didnt get the memo do you? if youve seen this ad SO MANY TIMES and u still dont believe in him, they're isnt any worth of you trying.. although jesus wants you to be holy. so if u still arent believing in jesus dying on the cross, you should get out of here.
CyrusAddictx 2 years ago
"its called STANDING UP FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE"
So you are allowed to stand up for what you believe but I'm not?
"you should get out of here."
Yeah, screw freedom of speech.
spenceII 2 years ago
i love this ad!
hypoklo 2 years ago
CyrusAddictx + others- we are called to be loving in the way we treat others. by blowing up n telling those who are arguing/quarelling about Jesus' existence n their general discussion is a poor example and witness of what it means to follow Jesus.
Mate, God works in mysterious ways. Don't get angry at others disbelief in Jesus --> drop to your knees n pray for them instead
jonnosun223 2 years ago
the fact that you dont believe in Jesus and what he did for you is your choice.
the fact that Jesus loves you and died for you is His choice
imustcare 2 years ago
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imustcare 2 years ago
u guys, stop arguing whether you believe in jesus or not, if you dont believe in him, why are you watching a jesus ad? infact, you shouldnt be here.. although this ad is supposed to reach out to all non-christians. and if u still dont buy the story, you seriously still shouldnt be here. dont make up lies about jesus, cuz he is the one and only saviour. end of story.
CyrusAddictx 2 years ago
Heya Ellen and Sweatpea,
Went off and did some reading and in a sense I agree with some of what you have to say and lets face it much of what the bible has to say is esentially how to treat others. If this is where religion stopped I'd be all for it.
I guess I just don't beleive in God, Jesus and the whole creation of the world/universe as preached in the bible. If that makes me less of a man than someone who does, then so be it.
Cheers,
Trevor
trevorpetrie 2 years ago
lol sorry to drop in on conversation but I believe in jesus and what he did 4 sure, but thats a decision I came to and if you've come to the conclusion that you don't, that certainly does not make you less of a man at all!
thats my 1 cents worth :D
Cyaz
drummerboy0 2 years ago
Oh I know.. I mean I dont know why I believed my history teachers when they taught me about Rameses II, Alexander the Great or Napolean. I really should have asked them for a science experiment, some logic.. anything! to prove the existence of these people before they spoke one more word of utter bull...
soph0589 2 years ago
History isn't science. We do not test history with scientific experiments with test it with corroborating records from history.
We know about Rameses II, Alexander the Great and Napolean because a lot of different people talked about them and recorded their stories. The only source of the biblical tales is the bible its self, they are mentioned nowhere else.
If the bible is to be accepted as a document of history, it requires corroborating records from reputable sources.
spenceII 2 years ago
Really? The first manuscript which talks about Alexander the Great was written 400yrs after his death. We believe he existed.
The first manuscript (letter) about Jesus was written, wait for it, 2yrs after his death. From the originals, we have 8 papyri copies of letters from Paul and other books dating to the year 200AD. These are known as the Chester Beatty Biblical Papyri. There are 306 papyrus manuscripts dating back as early as the third century known as Codex Sinaiticus.
soph0589 2 years ago
Another form of writing different to th uncial Greek manuscripts as mentioned b4 is the minuscule manuscripts-there are 2856 of these. In addition to th Greek manuscripts there r 8000-10000 Latin vulgate, 8000 in Ethiopic, Slavic & Armenian. In total there are 24, 000 manuscripts of the New Testament....and there are in agreement. F.F.Bruce, prof University of Manchester, Eng: "There is no body of ancient literature in the world which enjoys such a wealth of good textual attestation as the NT".
soph0589 2 years ago
F.F.Bruce was an evangelist so I highly doubt he would say anything that would suggest the events never took place. His view of the subject is highly biased and is therefore an unreliable source.
The fact is there is no mention of Jesus or his acts by any reputable secular historian of the time.
spenceII 2 years ago
So his creds mean nothing. If someone is a Christian, they throw all of their intellect, studies and reputation away to lie about something he knows isnt real?? And in the light of all that evidence of copies of the NT, all you can comment on is the quote... I find it strange that you believe in Alex the Great with one manuscript written 400yrs after his death - with NO OTHER SUPPORTING DOCS - but as soon as you are faced with 24,000 manuscripts all saying the same thing, it's a lie.
soph0589 2 years ago
Josephus, born AD37. He was a Pharisee (jew). Took part in the Jewish-Roman war from AD66-74. His work The Antiquities was a history of the jewish ppl from 'creation' to his time. completed in about AD93. He writes: "He (Ananias) convened a meeting of the Sanhedrin and brought before them a man named Jesus, who was called the Christ, and certain others. He accused them of having transgressed the law and delivered them up to be stoned."
soph0589 2 years ago
This is just says there was a man names Jesus. It doenst say he walked on water or that he was ressurected.
And yes, I think it is important to take into measure someone bias when regarding what they say. F.F.Bruce is an evangelical and an apologist. Apologetics bases a lot of its arguments on assumptions. For this reason I do not feel F.F.Bruce is a reliable source.
spenceII 2 years ago
Apologetics bases a lot of its arguments on assumptions? Ummm, not really. It's just the Christian defence of other peoples incorrect assumptions on matters like 'religion causes all wars'.
There are sources that attest to Jesus doing 'sorcery' and being crucified for blasphemous claims etc that will all back up gospel information. But there is no point me saying them because you must not have done history in school and so will continue to call this an 'irrational' argument of 'no evidence!'.
soph0589 2 years ago
Christian apologetics is founded in the assumption that there is an intelligent designer. Apologetics starts with a conclusion and works backwards.
There are a lot of records of 'sorcery' from those times. Apollonius of Tyana was claimed by his followers to heal the sick, raise the dead and walk through walls.
"But there is no point me saying them"
If you can provide them I would like to hear them.
"'irrational' argument of 'no evidence!'"
I didnt actually say that.
spenceII 2 years ago
This ad is total bullshit and shouldnt be allowed anywhere near public telly. Its dumb shit like this and hair regrowth advertisements that australia seems to be lagging behind and not realising that bullshit like this shouldnt be told as fact to many impressionable idiots/children. Keep your fucking beliefs away from the public unless you're gonna prove it with more than just a book written by people.
wHoMillie 2 years ago
Well said.
hamishd01 2 years ago
dude, athiesm is the value in nothing = u dont value athiesm = there is no point in advertising it.
haha there is books of evidance t