@blackandproud75 Using a lot of 'them and us' thinking which leads to stereotyping. Not every black person is good and not every white person is bad. I don't know what you are getting at saying 'we' are going to be the majority. It sounds like a threat. Sounds like you will be as bad as the racist white people are now. What will that achieve?
Anyone who has had a run in with the police in what ever country Black or White. Knows what a bunch of no friend, bunch of cunts they are. Not one excluded.
@kiensmf I lived in Brixton opposite the Academy years ago and the guy who ran the kebab shop across the road had the same sort of story in that all the windows on the road were smashed except his as everybody used to get their kebabs there. He also ran and illegal drinking den and served beer all night but he won't mind me saying that as he closed down now.
u heard the cop at end in car ''i did what any self respectin coward would do n took of my uniform n slumped in the seat'' . . . .shows u fuking FASSY pigs
@TheNaomiengland Their was a time, in the united states of America, where the Irish immigrants were not even considered white. Their was even graphic propaganda depicting them with ape like traits as they would do to blacks despite the fact that the Irish were in fact also white. Their is a lot more politics to racism then a simple minded person could ever care to notice.
If Mcpherson delivered that judgement in the 90's, realising that a canteen culture of racism had incidiously permeated throughout all levels of the Met force...what sort of attitudes do you think exsisted amongst the Meteropolitan police force in the eighties? To name an operation specificaly targeting Black people 'swamp 81' after Thatchers "people fear being 'swamped'..." speech wasnt a coincidence . What do we think this less than subtle choice for the name of the operation tells us?
Trying to justify the general negative attitude of the police towards the Black youth of the day by parroting the theme courted by some elements of the tabloid press at the time. (Hysteric reactionary over dramatic scare mongering) just isnt suffice. When Mcpherson condemned the Meteropolitian Police for displaying what was described as a culture of institutional racism in the Lawrence inquiry, he was pin pointing deep rooted hostile and negative attitudes to minorities.
Classic.... "i did wantever any sefl respecting coward would do and took my uniform off and sunk down into the seat" ---- Why didn't he become major of London!?!? haha
Brian Paddick is a typical bobbie isn't he! I'm not anti-police at all but when I moved from the North to London I realised that the Met Police are a bunch of cunts. Seriously though, how could you do a job enforcing a law which is a fucking mess.
Tempo's is shut down, when it ended in old kent road due to mass complaints and bbc watchdog with lawsuits, didn't know there was one in brixton.......lol
The only reason why black people disapprove of getting stopped and searched is because it prevents them from doing what they want. And this is really the main reason what fuelled the riots. For whatever reason that triggered the riot - is not relevant, because the riot was going to erupt anyway on the basis that black people were prohibited from committing serious crimes in Brixton. This would inevitably conflict with the blacks that didnt like it. So a riot was inevitable.
What a load of rubbish. The riots started because the police were deliberately targetting black youths. Some of them were committing crime, but not all of them. Stop the ignorance please. Not every black person who got stopped and searched, was out to commit crime
Actually I know now what it's like to be harassed. I'm currently being harassed at a railway station by a security firm called 'Landsherriffs' They have a proactive approach which is what the met police had back in those days. They keep stopping me and spying on me from a distance bridge. Im doing nothing wrong but they just keep harassing me anyway. I sent a letter of complaint to Boris Johnson. If anyone is being harassed by Landsherriffs then please me know. Check out their website.
no they werent but if they were reasonable, normal, decent, law abiding people, then surely if they done nothing wrong then they woould not object to assisting the police by letting them search them. theyd be on their way in minutes by co-operating believe me.
therefore it is fair to say that they were NOT reasonable, normal, law abiding people. the black community was responsible for the crime so the police arent going to target smurfs are they? they should have been thrashed good an proper
You again?! I know you probably live with mummy and daddy in your big fucking mansion so i understand why you have no grasp of reality whatsoever. The riots weren't caused by people just being violent for the sake of being violent, the riots were provoked by all out discrimination, hell i wasn't even born back then but i still have some guess at why all this kicked off, what's your excuse?
i dont live with my mum and dad(unlike you) and i was born when this was happening. and yeah you keep swearing at me over a keyboard and acting tough. let me know if you wanna meet and wel see how tough you are face to face.
The riots were partially caused by discrimination, and also by people who were not prepared to assist the police in policing their own community - which is where the problem was. therefore they - like you joe fucking blow - deserved what they got. educate yourself.....
Well i'm 16 so of course i live with my mum :D. I'm not trying to act tough, or at least didn't mean to sound like it, so my bad. I don't know whether it was the way i read your coment or you just worded it, you sounded like a racist or really had no clue. Unlike you i don't have the advantage of actually existing when this happened, but i still think, they must have not helped out the police for actual reasons, i.e. discrimination.
no im certainly NOT a racist. however the facts and logical debate speak all for themselves. operation swamp 81 was cited as the catalyst for the riots. the op was launched by the met police to crack down on the huge increase of street robberies among the BLACK communities in brixton. therefore the police targeted, strangely enough, the black communities to be stopped and searched. discrimination, or zeroing in on the root cause of the issue?...... think about it, maybe do some research?.....
Do you mean, they had solid evidence most of the robberies that were reported were definatly carried out by people who were black, or just robberies in an area which had a large population of black people? Sorry if i've worded that a bit shit, it's not been my day i'm not really on the top of my game.
(big breath) depends on who you ask, and thats not meant to sound vague. the research ive done offers mixed answers.
alot of the people from that community at that time, will say that the problem wasnt as big as the police made it out to be. The police say that it was a big problem, and it was mainly young black males who were reported as the suspects for many of these crimes. I tend to go with the police, only because they could have used those resources on other things and they wouldnt have
Look, the operation swamp 81 was named that for a reason. It followed on from Maggie Thatchers speach in 1981 in which she proclaimed British people feared being 'swamped' by other cultures. And basically, whether you try and contest there was a 'serious' problem with street robberies or not, there was also a general antagonistic attitude towards the Black Community by the police. The attitudes condemmed by the Lawrence inquiry, institusional racism, were prevelant then.
set up a large, complex, operation like swamp 81 without the necessary intelligence and authorisation to back it up. They would have had plenty of other areas and problems to deal with.
I will leave it like this, when people immigrate into a community, the indegenous peoples of that country expect them, to behave. - when in rome and all that.
I think thats why there was,and still is alot of resentment and the issue has never been properly dealt with - hence todays political correctness...
But they clamped down like a bunch of thugs, beating random people up, innocent kids going out with their friends and they shot an old woman, what human being is going to be treated like that and not fight back... a COWARD
look at the reasons why street roberies increased.. 86% of young black males where unemployed, living in poor housing, living very far below the poverty line... they robbed because they had 2... if they wanted to 'zero in on the root cause' then mayb the government shud have dun more to sort out the social problems ov that era... but seein as thatcher was in power that wud b 2 much 2 ask.. mayb u shud do sum research before puting out Pseudo Intellectual garbage, u r very right winged
I think it's telling that Liberal Democrat Commander Paddick shed his uniform when he went into Brixton too. Same story with pretty much anyone associated with the ACPO. Their own skins are a lot more important to them than any abstract ideas of justice or upholding the law.
Paddick was just being honest. Which is a lot more than most police are in Brixton. In the years after the riots he earned a lot of respect on the streets.
I agree with theicha, it takes balls to admit what he did. I don't know a lot about him, but I have never heard him make an excuse for bad policing. He seems like a level-headed realist.
Actually, in police training all over the world you would find it rarely recommended that one police officer should confront a "LARGE group of youths" hell-bent on mayhem. It's likely to be counter-productive; the likelihood being that the youths would turn on the SINGLE "brave" officer and kick the "shit out of him". Such action would hardly stop the criminal activity, but it could have needlessly put his life in danger. He wasn't a hero, and he wasn't a coward (although, self-described)either.
@blackandproud75 Using a lot of 'them and us' thinking which leads to stereotyping. Not every black person is good and not every white person is bad. I don't know what you are getting at saying 'we' are going to be the majority. It sounds like a threat. Sounds like you will be as bad as the racist white people are now. What will that achieve?
Easyandy100 6 months ago
we can`t `ran` that shop we shop there .
hmm , says it all , i guess .
pcrvg0808 6 months ago
why can't the english treat blacks right? the police are beating there fellow man why didn'y they drop there batons and jion the youth?
Ramble1212 6 months ago
Anyone who has had a run in with the police in what ever country Black or White. Knows what a bunch of no friend, bunch of cunts they are. Not one excluded.
samilliw1 7 months ago
that temples store story was jokes
kiensmf 1 year ago 17
@kiensmf I lived in Brixton opposite the Academy years ago and the guy who ran the kebab shop across the road had the same sort of story in that all the windows on the road were smashed except his as everybody used to get their kebabs there. He also ran and illegal drinking den and served beer all night but he won't mind me saying that as he closed down now.
Easyandy100 6 months ago
@Easyandy100 are you talking about george
cthompson1976 6 months ago
@cthompson1976 Yep. Although he did have a few names.
Easyandy100 6 months ago
omg holy roasary church omg i go der every sunday lolol
ljulian19 1 year ago
paddick the poofter/faggot
rankingtrevor 1 year ago
u heard the cop at end in car ''i did what any self respectin coward would do n took of my uniform n slumped in the seat'' . . . .shows u fuking FASSY pigs
grimeboi08 1 year ago
@grimeboi08 because you wouldn't do that in his situation - what a dumbass !
ococircusboy 11 months ago
you wot wot nigger?
barryblue99 1 year ago
I hate it when the white people in England nag about blacks and pakis cant they nag about about the Irish imagrants living in England
TheNaomiengland 1 year ago
@TheNaomiengland no cos they're white
barryblue99 1 year ago
@TheNaomiengland Their was a time, in the united states of America, where the Irish immigrants were not even considered white. Their was even graphic propaganda depicting them with ape like traits as they would do to blacks despite the fact that the Irish were in fact also white. Their is a lot more politics to racism then a simple minded person could ever care to notice.
djmazing21 1 year ago
The riots that occured in Toxteth transcended beyond superficial divisions of race, as white and Black youth rebelled against social injustice
Imoteph 1 year ago
If Mcpherson delivered that judgement in the 90's, realising that a canteen culture of racism had incidiously permeated throughout all levels of the Met force...what sort of attitudes do you think exsisted amongst the Meteropolitan police force in the eighties? To name an operation specificaly targeting Black people 'swamp 81' after Thatchers "people fear being 'swamped'..." speech wasnt a coincidence . What do we think this less than subtle choice for the name of the operation tells us?
Imoteph 1 year ago
@Imoteph The implication of Operation Swamp was the opposite of what you've inferred: it was the police swamping the area, not the other way around.
tommy2hats 1 year ago
@calowarrior
Trying to justify the general negative attitude of the police towards the Black youth of the day by parroting the theme courted by some elements of the tabloid press at the time. (Hysteric reactionary over dramatic scare mongering) just isnt suffice. When Mcpherson condemned the Meteropolitian Police for displaying what was described as a culture of institutional racism in the Lawrence inquiry, he was pin pointing deep rooted hostile and negative attitudes to minorities.
Imoteph 1 year ago
Institutional racism...excuse my excited typing.
Imoteph 1 year ago
Classic.... "i did wantever any sefl respecting coward would do and took my uniform off and sunk down into the seat" ---- Why didn't he become major of London!?!? haha
samfitzell 2 years ago 37
yeah, what a tosser
senik343 2 years ago
@samfitzell because he wanted to be on I'm a celebrity! lol
ejp93 6 months ago
@samfitzell
At least he was honest....
supahdupahguy81 6 months ago
good night white pride!!!
IaStaiMaPutin 2 years ago
hahahahahahahhahahaha the fed was shook u fuking pussy hahahahahahah fuk fed fuk fed fuk fed
SirSwaggerDon 2 years ago
I dont blame him honestly.
sibby1994 2 years ago
Brian Paddick is a typical bobbie isn't he! I'm not anti-police at all but when I moved from the North to London I realised that the Met Police are a bunch of cunts. Seriously though, how could you do a job enforcing a law which is a fucking mess.
delarhuc 2 years ago 12
Takes balls to admit you never had them in the first place.
Th3BritishGuy 2 years ago
commander brian poodick is an open and out faggot
cdwordsworth26 2 years ago
whats wrong with being gay? and fuck the police.
Gmancrap 2 years ago 2
How do you know? Have you shagged him?
puppi3000 2 years ago
it was like the la riots with black youths being targeted for crime excessively
mastercooly7 2 years ago
lol. "done what any respectful coward would do and took of my uniform
.... sank into my seat" lol
dats da british police in a nutshell :)
itsriden 2 years ago 2
Tempo's is shut down, when it ended in old kent road due to mass complaints and bbc watchdog with lawsuits, didn't know there was one in brixton.......lol
markhorneyuk 2 years ago
i was not even born then, but i sooo recall the riot in 95!! that one as crazy cus i recall going skool next morning and seeing all that damage.
kvocalist 2 years ago
i just gotta a feeling another riot like this sometime soon
cookiecamp 2 years ago
Hope not.
Southwesttwo 2 years ago
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The only reason why black people disapprove of getting stopped and searched is because it prevents them from doing what they want. And this is really the main reason what fuelled the riots. For whatever reason that triggered the riot - is not relevant, because the riot was going to erupt anyway on the basis that black people were prohibited from committing serious crimes in Brixton. This would inevitably conflict with the blacks that didnt like it. So a riot was inevitable.
THEREDLIGHTGROUP 3 years ago
lol do some unbias research
MrKDis 3 years ago
What a load of rubbish. The riots started because the police were deliberately targetting black youths. Some of them were committing crime, but not all of them. Stop the ignorance please. Not every black person who got stopped and searched, was out to commit crime
dennatrol81 3 years ago
Actually I know now what it's like to be harassed. I'm currently being harassed at a railway station by a security firm called 'Landsherriffs' They have a proactive approach which is what the met police had back in those days. They keep stopping me and spying on me from a distance bridge. Im doing nothing wrong but they just keep harassing me anyway. I sent a letter of complaint to Boris Johnson. If anyone is being harassed by Landsherriffs then please me know. Check out their website.
THEREDLIGHTGROUP 3 years ago
no they werent but if they were reasonable, normal, decent, law abiding people, then surely if they done nothing wrong then they woould not object to assisting the police by letting them search them. theyd be on their way in minutes by co-operating believe me.
therefore it is fair to say that they were NOT reasonable, normal, law abiding people. the black community was responsible for the crime so the police arent going to target smurfs are they? they should have been thrashed good an proper
calowwarrior 2 years ago
You again?! I know you probably live with mummy and daddy in your big fucking mansion so i understand why you have no grasp of reality whatsoever. The riots weren't caused by people just being violent for the sake of being violent, the riots were provoked by all out discrimination, hell i wasn't even born back then but i still have some guess at why all this kicked off, what's your excuse?
123JoeD456 2 years ago 2
i dont live with my mum and dad(unlike you) and i was born when this was happening. and yeah you keep swearing at me over a keyboard and acting tough. let me know if you wanna meet and wel see how tough you are face to face.
The riots were partially caused by discrimination, and also by people who were not prepared to assist the police in policing their own community - which is where the problem was. therefore they - like you joe fucking blow - deserved what they got. educate yourself.....
calowwarrior 2 years ago
Well i'm 16 so of course i live with my mum :D. I'm not trying to act tough, or at least didn't mean to sound like it, so my bad. I don't know whether it was the way i read your coment or you just worded it, you sounded like a racist or really had no clue. Unlike you i don't have the advantage of actually existing when this happened, but i still think, they must have not helped out the police for actual reasons, i.e. discrimination.
123JoeD456 2 years ago
no im certainly NOT a racist. however the facts and logical debate speak all for themselves. operation swamp 81 was cited as the catalyst for the riots. the op was launched by the met police to crack down on the huge increase of street robberies among the BLACK communities in brixton. therefore the police targeted, strangely enough, the black communities to be stopped and searched. discrimination, or zeroing in on the root cause of the issue?...... think about it, maybe do some research?.....
calowwarrior 2 years ago
Do you mean, they had solid evidence most of the robberies that were reported were definatly carried out by people who were black, or just robberies in an area which had a large population of black people? Sorry if i've worded that a bit shit, it's not been my day i'm not really on the top of my game.
123JoeD456 2 years ago
(big breath) depends on who you ask, and thats not meant to sound vague. the research ive done offers mixed answers.
alot of the people from that community at that time, will say that the problem wasnt as big as the police made it out to be. The police say that it was a big problem, and it was mainly young black males who were reported as the suspects for many of these crimes. I tend to go with the police, only because they could have used those resources on other things and they wouldnt have
calowwarrior 2 years ago
@calowwarrior
Look, the operation swamp 81 was named that for a reason. It followed on from Maggie Thatchers speach in 1981 in which she proclaimed British people feared being 'swamped' by other cultures. And basically, whether you try and contest there was a 'serious' problem with street robberies or not, there was also a general antagonistic attitude towards the Black Community by the police. The attitudes condemmed by the Lawrence inquiry, institusional racism, were prevelant then.
Imoteph 1 year ago
set up a large, complex, operation like swamp 81 without the necessary intelligence and authorisation to back it up. They would have had plenty of other areas and problems to deal with.
I will leave it like this, when people immigrate into a community, the indegenous peoples of that country expect them, to behave. - when in rome and all that.
I think thats why there was,and still is alot of resentment and the issue has never been properly dealt with - hence todays political correctness...
calowwarrior 2 years ago
But they clamped down like a bunch of thugs, beating random people up, innocent kids going out with their friends and they shot an old woman, what human being is going to be treated like that and not fight back... a COWARD
ronaldinho91 2 years ago
look at the reasons why street roberies increased.. 86% of young black males where unemployed, living in poor housing, living very far below the poverty line... they robbed because they had 2... if they wanted to 'zero in on the root cause' then mayb the government shud have dun more to sort out the social problems ov that era... but seein as thatcher was in power that wud b 2 much 2 ask.. mayb u shud do sum research before puting out Pseudo Intellectual garbage, u r very right winged
oriordan20 2 years ago
hahaha wanker
ronaldinho91 2 years ago
Goddamn redlight is an ignorant piece of shit.
stevo9er 2 years ago
'Battel 4 Brixton' How territorial. That is telling.
Mommy12008 3 years ago
Absolute tear-up. This isn't a black/white thing; it's a South London Saturday...
KaliberKing 3 years ago
I feel really sorry for the woman who chose to get married on this eventful day. What bad luck:(
dennatrol81 3 years ago
today you would need one policman behind each person in brixton ....
CapitanoGUC 3 years ago 3
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"Usually you would hear sirens in Brixton..."
Says it all, really.
InTheRainstorm 3 years ago
I think it's telling that Liberal Democrat Commander Paddick shed his uniform when he went into Brixton too. Same story with pretty much anyone associated with the ACPO. Their own skins are a lot more important to them than any abstract ideas of justice or upholding the law.
InTheRainstorm 3 years ago
Paddick was just being honest. Which is a lot more than most police are in Brixton. In the years after the riots he earned a lot of respect on the streets.
theicha 3 years ago 2
oooh shut that door, i'm free how very dare you. are the youths attacking the police because they can't do any mor mugging and drug dealing.
boblatchford99 3 years ago
Be quiet, bob, the record's getiing old. can't you think of something more original or sensible to say?
crackerass01 3 years ago
I agree with theicha, it takes balls to admit what he did. I don't know a lot about him, but I have never heard him make an excuse for bad policing. He seems like a level-headed realist.
crackerass01 3 years ago
He IS an excuse for bad policing. It takes balls to admit you're a coward, now? How bizzare.
"Hey guys, I'm a soldier and the last time I was in an engagement I totally hid and let my comrades take all the flak because I'm a cockless pussy!"
"Wow man! Admitting you are cowardly and craven actually makes you BRAVE! I hope you have my back during the next outbreak of lawless rioting!"
"Cheers!"
InTheRainstorm 3 years ago
Actually, in police training all over the world you would find it rarely recommended that one police officer should confront a "LARGE group of youths" hell-bent on mayhem. It's likely to be counter-productive; the likelihood being that the youths would turn on the SINGLE "brave" officer and kick the "shit out of him". Such action would hardly stop the criminal activity, but it could have needlessly put his life in danger. He wasn't a hero, and he wasn't a coward (although, self-described)either.
crackerass01 3 years ago 3
get real mate
Deanocfc 3 years ago