Pavarotti- Ponchielli-Cielo e mar

[Ismon1]

It looks so easy when you see Pavarotti sing... Super!

[TheKyomu2010]

Pavarotti is well out of is depth here. His voice is too small and thin for this aria. Spreading at the top of his range is quite evident! This aria can only be sung properly by a spinto or dramatic tenor such as Mario Del Monaco.

[tat6368]

@TheKyomu2010

I've just listened to Mario Del Monaco - that is NOTHING!!! The articulation is poor, the voice sounds tired. Why the hell do you think Pavarotti's voice was not strong enough??? It is INDEED the strongest voice I've ever heard...

Greetings from Germany

[TheKyomu2010]

@tat6368

For anyone who is involved in Opera, Mario Del Monaco is regarded as the greatest dramatic tenor of the 20 century. Pavarotti is a lyrical tenor with good projection, but his voice is not dramatic or of spinto calibre. His voice is,therefore, small by comparison. Cielo e Mar from the opera La Gioconda belongs to the repertoire of a dramatic/spinto tenor. Pavarotti's attempts to sound 'big' at the top of his range caused him to spread his vowels. These are facts!

[tat6368]

@TheKyomu2010

Facts are nice - and I really understand the difference between a lyrical and a dramatic tenor. But I fail to see that Pavarotti's voice does not sound big or he has to spread his vowels. On the contrary: Pavarotti's interpretation sounds dramatical and mystical to me, whereas del Monaco's interpretation sounds just as every other - boring and like nothing special. You ought to explain to me, why Pavarotti's voice really sounds very dramatic and big in this video - this is a fact!

[TheKyomu2010]

@tat6368

Facts are facts it has nothing to do with 'nice'. Pavarotti does not have a big voice he has good projection, they two are not synonymous. Pavarotti began spreading his vowels from the late 70s onwards when he embarked on dramatic/spinto repertroire. He was warned by Maria Callas that it would lead to damage of his voice - he ignored this advice. To say that Del Monaco is boring and nothing special shows that height of your ignorance. It is also clear that you do not sing.

[tat6368]

@TheKyomu2010

In fact I AM singing - and the expression "boring" was only related to the special video I saw on youtube. But please tell me,

- WHEN WERE PAVAROTTI'S VOCAL CORDS DAMAGED AND HOW??? I don't see any evidence, On the contrary, the persistence of his range was unbelievable.

- WHAT IS THE REASON WHY PAVAROTTI WAS LOVED BY HIS AUDIENCE, more than any other tenor??? There must be a reason.

You seem to be hopelessly lost in theory - use your ears and be honest!

[TheKyomu2010]

@tat6368

What School of Singing do you attend?

I didn't say he damaged his chords but that the spreading of vowels such as 'Ah' particularly approaching the passagio can lead to pushing and possible damage - De Stefano and Carreras are cases in point. Pavarotti would transpose down many arias that had a top 'C'. As his career went on his voice began to 'crack' significantly as he attempted to hit a top 'C' thus the need to transpose down.

The ignorant are easily lead!

Not lost, I do, I am!

[tat6368]

@TheKyomu2010

I guess you meant "LED" instead of "LEAD". The point is that I have been playing the piano for 23 years now and started classical singing five years ago. On the one hand you are right - my knowledge regarding classical singing is upgradable. But I won't accept that my ears do not have the ability to evaluate the sound of an opera singer - on the contrary, maybe my point of view is more neutral because I am not taught those theories about different singers and their problems.

[tat6368]

@TheKyomu2010

May those theories be right - but I confide in my ears which are exercised for over 20 years. And then I must say that Pavarotti's sound is unique! Many opera singers seem to "play" their arias, but in the latter case the voice just "flows" - seemingly without struggle. This fact is never stated by experts - my interpretation is that there is also much envy. Again: I can't see that mysterious tension in Del Monaco's video. Why?

[TheKyomu2010]

@tat6368

Theories have nothing to do with it! Facts are facts! It is quite obvious you are not trained in any operatic singing school! It is also quite clear that you have no clue as to the problems Pavarotti had with his voice. The 'play' and 'flow' you spout is utter nonsense. Your 'interpretation' is competely false. Del Monaco was the greatest Bel Canto tenor that ever lived. He sang without tension in the throat, the sound was fully open and relaxed-just what every tenor aspires to.

[tat6368]

@TheKyomu2010

OK TheKyomu, I cannot contradict your opinion - let us close this blog. But again I refer to the bulk of people who loved Pavarotti for his sound. My first argument was simply that the real sound of an operatic singer is often disregarded in favour of complex theories. I can tell you from the pianists' view that many critics haphazardly interpret music and find themselves in a virtual reality. Don't you notice that agitation in Pavarotti's sound? Del Monaco's is great, but regular

[petereuropa]

@TheKyomu2010 You are a real Mr Besserwisser. Fortunately we all have different taste, so that you can hear your favourite and we can hear our heroes. Anyway, Pavarotti is for millions of fans "the peoples choice". And I personally love his voice - and the joy of life that he had. Miss him much. But yt is allways a discussion for or against, and that is fun. It what it's all about.

[TheKyomu2010]

@petereuropa

I don't care how many millions like Pavarotti I am only concerned with the truth of singing. Pavarotti aswell as Carreras and Domingo were well marketed but there were (and are) better opera singers who had successful careers on stage. They had no need for a huge marketing machine to bolster their voices.

[petereuropa]

@TheKyomu2010 I don't care about your so called 'marketing machine', I just listen and enjoy it. And Pavarotti was a world famous artist long before the '3 tenors', famous only because of his personal beautiful voice. Pavarotti is one of my all time tenor favourites (one of them) - and will always be!

[mocmus]

I have a video of P singing this role at San Fran opera with Renata Scotto. He sounded just as good as this in that incredible performance. The ovation after "Cielo e mar" was stupendous.

[talentlover]

Cielo E Mar Cielo e mar! L’etereo velo Splende come un santo altar. L’angiol mio verra dal cielo? L’angiol mio verra dal mare? Qui l’attendo; ardente spira Oggi il vento dell’amor. Ah! Quell’uom che vi sospira Vi conquide, o sogni , o sogni d’or! Ah! Quell’uom che vi sospira Vi conquide, o sogni , o sogni d’or! o sogni, o sogni d’or!

[talentlover]

Nell’aura fonda Non appar ne suol ne monte. L’orizzonte bacia l’onda! L’onda bacia l’orizzonte! Qui nell’ombra, ov’io mi giacio Coll’anelito del cor, Vieni, o donna, vieni al bacio Della vita, si della vita e dell’amor Vieni o donna qui t’attendo Coll’anelito del cuor Vieni o donna, vieni al bacio Vieni, Vieni, Vieni al’bacio Della vita e dell’amor… Si dell’amor. Ah! vien! Ah! Vien!

[musc124]

aman the best

[lucia3769]

En la actualidad gozamos con buenas voces, pero PAVAROTTI sólo ha habido uno, su voz es, de momento, irremplazable

[dieguitolp]

bravisimo Luciano eterno!

[jenni4claire]

Why do they applaud before he is finished and drown out the last note? Its maddening.

[LazlosPlane]

There are two kinds of reactions that audiences can have with the very rarest of performers. Pavorotti is one and I've seen both reactions: 1) After "Una Furtiva Lagrime" at the Met, the audience was breathless, motionless, as if they had become Pavarotti and were waiting to get back into their own bodies again--so there was silence for several seconds after the aira concluded. The second is what you see here--the excitment is too great, overwhelmin and one must jump and shout-before the end

[dee1153]

@LazlosPlane This is how he affects me and I've only seen him on video. I cannot imagine seeing him in a live performance. It had to have been like an out of body experience. There are no words for this man's talent. He is unmatched.

[flouraki]

U don't have to move a limb....the voice does it all...!

[pentafluorophenyl]

One of my favorite arias, and Pav nails it! I would have to say Bjoerling's is better by a whisker though but you certainly can't knock either one.

[HeyMrA]

Bravo bravo bravissimo maestro! Quanto ci manchi!!! Proprio unico....

[Nater389]

To be 51 years old and sound this good, and in original key?! He was indeed the best.

[DRSYNSCARECROW]

Absolutely stupendous performance. I have the whole opera on CD from around 1982, but this Cielo knocks it for six!!

[paulinexxxx]

It does not get any better than this when it comes to line (aside, even from all the other incredible qualities of Pavarotti). Only Benimenio Gigli is Pavarotti's equal on this aria. Listen to the LINE and learn something, its amazing, beautiful!

[hobo197]

pavarotti is not giglis equal at any level,gigli was supreme! especially with cielo e mar!

[LazlosPlane]

Define "Line" please.

Thanks.

[Herur22]

Is this transposed for half a tone?

[chrisibzu]

No, it's in the original: Eb

[leoncioquin2007]

Glorioso!!

Toda la interpretación es celestial!

[deviljulian]

Che cosa potenza della voce!!!

[jamadsa]

Fantastic. One of the best tenors I have ever heard, but listen to Bjorlings rendition. In my opinion, the best ever recorde and the greatest tenor of all time

[alvarito45]

Su timbre es absolutamente inigualable...No tiene igual!!!

[Michaelbos]

NO it is not Mitch Miller

[Toonz29]

wow! I'm still shaking my head also Jim! And this is supposedly well after his prime. Shows to go......Thanks so much.

[ekzemon]

vaya final!!! impresionante!!

El mejor de la historia

[dee1153]

Songs like this are why Luciano Pavarotti will always be the greatest tenor - EVER - in all eternity!

[uncjim]

Emerson Buckley.

[juadan]

Yes, of course--Emerson Buckley. I didn't think Mitch Miller and Pavarotti had or would have collaborated. Miller and Buckley sure do look alike (or like Col. Sanders, of KFC fame).

[juadan]

Is the conductor Mitch Miller?