@3:58 I am not sure if you know this but that technique your using is similar to edge polishing. The Japanese were the first to be known for polishing the edges of their Katanas
I agree. If you introduce a secondary bevel on the blade you will disrupt the friction coefficient factor of the blade thereby dulling the knife. As far as I was thought, if you use a secondary bevel, then it needs to be rounded from the secondary bevel to the primary bevel to give a balanced cutting surface. Very nice vid!
how long do these microfilms last? also, i plan to use this method to sharpen/polish a 28" katana. would love to have your recommendation on how many of which grit to purchase. thanks!
keep in mind...making your knifes scary sharp..wears your razors edge where it will go dull in about half of the time as making it sharp enough either be it shaving or chopping with it around the kitchen..big difference.
OK, I'm finally impressed with a sharpening video. When you can cut paper in mid air you're getting it right. Nice job, I may start using this method.
i use 1 micron diamond paste on a full grain leather belt and a 6000 grit wet ceramic stone before that and i can shave with my knife without soap, nice video
Whew ! ... Thanks for showing me how to touch up my Fiskars Camp Axe, in the field ! There's plenty of flattish rocks, down here, in the Texas Hill Country ... Limestone OK ?
I love this video, thanks @eceipretsam! I notice you put your fingers at the tip rather than moving along the bevel. Is this something you do just when you have such a wide bevel? Also, is the 3m microfilm more economical than water stones?
i usually keep my hands and put pressure on near the handle, and somewhere up front, near the tip. usually it's about 3/4 of the way up towards the tip. this keeps pressure more even. if you think about it, the tip of knives are usually tapered, and it's thinner up there, and on top of that, there's less stone time to those areas, so it's important to make sure they are being sharpened.
fine microfilm is = to like 15k or 30k stones. but, granite is flat, always.
@eceipretsam I did some research and I can't seem to find this Micro type of paper. All I saw was this
2000 For touch-up repairs on a high gloss finish 1500 For generating a high gloss 1200 For generating a satin finish 800 For generating a matte finish Ultra Fine (600) Super Fine (400) Extra Fine (320) For sanding between coats to remove bubbles and dust Very Fine (220) For removing raised fibers and blending repairs
This has to be the best video for the 3M lapping paper i've come across, having spent a good few years as a trainee chef I've had my share of sharpening experiences with an endless number of machines and gadgets, and even on good quality stones I've never gotten my knives upto the edge that this stuff has with this method
@turuanu yeah! but don't forget to make it sharp. just because a knife is shiny doesn't mean it's sharp. although, a very sharp knife will probably be shiny.
@eceipretsam Precisely. I sharpen professionally and I can put a mirror shine on a knife simply by using white jewelers rouge or what some call sharpening compound that gives the effect of 20,000 grit but the edge may not be razor sharp. A knife is worthless if it doesn't cut.
@MrAcronim most glass is flat enough, but the granite reference block is most accurate and isn't too expensive. but if you really want glass, you can go to a glass shop and ask for 'float glass'. thank you for watching!
Man, that looks sharp! I can't believe I actually watched the whole 10 minutes, even though I will never use that method. Do you have any videos showing how to use traditional sharpening stones (natural and/or diamond)?\
@eceipretsam oh my.. I'm a moron! Of course, I have the entire series on DVD. The song sounds a lot like the Tiger of San Pedro in the beginning. I forget. Check out the first minute of this though; watch?v=YmKIEmdrynM
@eceipretsam oh my.. I'm a moron! Of course, I have the entire series on DVD. The song sounds a lot like the Tiger of San Pedro in the beginning. I forget. Check out the first minute of this though; watch?v=yzNg4j-EYYE The part around 28-30 seconds sounds like the trumpet part a lot!
@MrKnifeFanatic just listened to 'Tiger of San Pedro'. wow, it was an amazing piece! it does sound quite similar. thank you for sharing! i really enjoyed the song!
Thanks, very nice video. I wish guys like you live where I am, I would love to have my knife collection done like that. What type/# of waterstones would I need to get my blades looking like that. I just started with 1000grit, king 6000grit, and a chinese natural polishing stone. No grit number but some say 12000, while others say 4-6000.
@trubornagain a lot of people will tell you to start with 1000grit stone. many novice or beginning sharpeners usually get frustrated because their knives aren't getting sharp. the fact of the matter is that 1000 grit is not rough enough to remove metal quickly, so it takes forever.
the benefit with this is that since you cannot remove metal fast, there's a reduced chance of messing up your knives : P
i got a few other videos using waterstones. check them out! : )
i don't quite understand... umm, you want us to make the bevel flat right? lol. but really. great vid. I'm curious as to why you didn't use murray's stropping technique rather than a microbevel though. i LOVE the polish job on that... i'm kinda in a rough spot right now, so i;m actually using a brick to sharpen my knives... i'm having a hard time getting a mirror polish on the blades, any recommendations?
@dawilliamstn hello! i use japanese waterstones, as well. i just wanted to show people what 'scary sharp' method was really supposed to mean. scary sharp method utilizes gritted paper.
check out my other videos. i have a couple using normal japanese stones as well as some premium japanese stones.
GREAT VID, where did you get the granite block because i need to do this with my cold steel SRK which does not have a second bevel and was wondering if you could make a video of sharpening a combat/survival knife with no second bevel.. thanks for taking the time to read and respond to my comment
@crazyfeet101 hello! the block is called a "granite reference block" and can be found at most woodworking shops. hmmm, maybe i'll do a survival knife sometime. i will be sharpening a few knives for a client soon, one of which is a fixed outdoor knife. keep a look-out for a new video : )
haha dang I thought my knife was sharp. You're is a lot sharper than my knife. Mine will cut paper like yours but I don't think I can cut it in half when you throw the paper in the air. I have a Buck 119 which is my favorite knife. With the proper sharpening I bet it can be just as sharp like yours. good video.
can you give a summary of the method: in order of grains (grift) and movements (beginning of the second bevel) used?
by movements, you will always base to the tip of the knife throughout your method or in the beginning you made of the coming and going even after ?????
@Syfer92 i do not start the second bevel until the polishing stages of sharpening. the idea is not to grind or remove much metal from the edge at this angle because that would cause the knife to dull faster. the idea is to just shape up the edge of the edge so that it is more durable against chipping.
the direction of movement does not really matter as long as even, equal pressure is applied throughout the blade.
thank you for watching the video! if you have more questions, please ask!
@JonoNZ110 on this knife or in general? in general, the thinner the absolute edge is, the sharper it will be and the longer it will stay sharp.
BUT, it all depends on the metal and the heat treat and the usage. it depends. i wish i could have people come over and use this knife. this is an amazing knife!
I just got some Microfilm in various grits. The 15 micron says what it is on the back of the paper. But there are yellow and white pieces of paper that are not marked. I assume the yellow is 1 micron and the white is .3 micron? Correct me if I am wrong. Thanks.
@awhtjio no. when setting the microbevel, you don't even start the microbevel until you're polishing. that means at 5 micron paper or on japanese stones, 3000 - 6000 grit stone. you don't want the stone or the paper to be so aggressive that it's removing a lot of metal. you just want to slightly strengthen the edge of the edge.
@eceipretsam I see. Could you please provide a bit more detail on how you prepare the micro bevel, I don't want to blunt my knife after all the polishing! Great videos btw, I've got a reference glass and plan to source some lapping film.
@eceipretsam Do you find that it is really necessary to microbevel the knife? What performance characteristics do you think would differ, if you just treated it like a scandi edge, single bevel blade? I just recently reprofiled my KA-BAR to a zero grind scandi edge for better wood processing, and was able to get it sharp enough to shave my face after honing with my shaptons (though admittedly I did get some razor burn on my left cheek). Do you find that the microbevel aids in edge retention?
Well, I finally got the 12 X 12 X 2 granite reference stone that is been honed to .0001 inch. I haven't used it on paper sharpening yet, however, I have used it to flatten my stones by using 100 grit sc wet/dry and I must say that the results were immediately apparant. The stones are dead flat and even tend to have a vaqcuum to the paper, making it necessary to take care in taking off the stone. For flattening stones this reference plate is a must-have item. Glad you responded to my emais.
I dedided to buy the granite reference block. I want a perfectly flat surface and I figure it's tuition well spent. Meanwhile I did find a 1/2 inch piece of float glass; 12 x 18 that will get me by until the reference stone arrives. I know I will be much happier afterward. Thanks for your helpful hints in the meanwhile. L.
Very impressive video! Question: I got a piece of granite from local cabinet making shop. Is this generally flat enough or can I get it flatter by rubbing two piece of granite together or a similar technique? Thanks again for this video which I have watched at least 20 times now.
@pianotuner101 see, the question i have for you is this: the granite you got... is it a just a piece of granite or is it a 'granite reference block'?
the difference is that the piece of granite, although it is visually flat, the 'granite reference block' is designed to be used as a flat reference.
if it's not a reference block, the granite is still ok as long as it's mostly flat. when using microfilm, the flatter the better because of more surface contact with the knife.
@pianotuner101 float glass is similar to plate glass. glass is usually pretty flat no matter what it's called.
if you got that granite slab, just stick to it. when you use the microfilm on it, just look at it while you sharpen. as you sharpen, you'll see darker spots. that's where the film is removing metal. if there are a lot of hollow areas, that's where it's either uneven (unflat) or where you have air bubbles.
@pianotuner101 but the answer is no. don't try to flatten it. yes, it's mostly flat enough. you're not missing out that much if it's not perfectly flat.
a lot of people use float glass instead of granite, but i prefer granite.
thank you very much for watching my videos. i'm very happy that i can be helpful!
@eceipretsam Thank-you for answering my question so quickly. I understand now what you are talking about. A granite reference block would ideally be the thing to use. What I got were leftover pieces of granite from countertops that they basically gave away to me.I will visit the company and ask if they can get me a granite reference block, which I will be more than happy to pay for. I did visit the toolsforwoodworking and I probably will be buying some micro film from them.
@killerkowalczyk i got the granite reference block at my local woodworking shop for about $35 five years ago. the 3m microfilm was ordered from 'tools for working wood .com'. they have a sampler pack.
Great method!!! i'm using this method of yours in conjunction with convexing to get the best of both worlds, do you have any advice for me before i start my project? =p
@MaxIsSoHungry when doing any kind of sharpening, you have to keep your angles and hand position in mind. just keep in mind what you're doing, what your hand is doing and what's happening to the knife : )
@eceipretsam Hey, Thanks for the advise, making convex edge is really hard when the angle is not right =X anyway, just to update that i've sorta completed the sharening except that i don't have a 0.3 micron , i only got a 0.5 micron lapping film,(thanks to the sales rep at 3m Malaysia). and i kinda can't seem to do the cut the paper in the air trick =p is it because mine is a convex edge and yours is a double bevel? I want to cut paper in the air~~ XD anyway, hope to hear from you, thanks!
@MaxIsSoHungry Yes, a convex edge is going to have a greater friction coefficient than a flat bevel; but the convex bevel is going to give you better edge reinforcement, and therefore better edge durability. In addition, the angle of the convex edge, in addition to the harshness of the convex edge transition will also effect friction resistance while cutting. Unless you have a convex edge with a very very shallow, slow transition to the edge, cutting the paper in the air is going to be very hard
On his website i don't see anything this long. I'm excited enough to impulse buy, but I need one big enough for cleaning fish not just a line knife for service.
@jeshuva yes. i had waited for this knife for a long time. it's white steel cladded with some metal he found in his back yard. he calls it "garden steel", hahaha. i'm actually getting a chance to meet murray carter!
@eceipretsam how much did you pay for this? Please tell me it was cheap. Making flat even bevels is one of the most basic skills. When I forge knives I make flat bevels with a freaking hammer...theres no excuse for wavy bevels.
@eceipretsam would I like to send a knife to some random guy on the internet that i have spent hours upon hours making? hell no, but as a compromise I am getting a camera in the near future so I can post videos of my knives and hopefully attract some business. Perhaps you can see abuse of one of my knives on one of those videos and draw your own conclusion.
@nfoley hello! i got the granite reference block from a local woodworking shop. when i bought it, it came with a flatness review of it that was measured by lasers. i actually think it was less than 3 micron variance of flatness.
Hey, does anyone know where i can buy it and how much it costs? and is it reusable or am i better of finding extra fine (3000+) Sandpaper? im mostly planning on polishing, so just i just buy 8000 grit?
@shadowxd98 i got this paper at tools for working wood.com. i got the whole set. i prefer PSA backed paper and used with water, just like the video shows.
i have been looking for the microfilm aswell, i found this if anyone is interested... bloody youtube wont let me post the link but google 3M Micron Graded Finishing Film.. look for one on the hswalsch website
I just got a set of DMT duosharp plus stones for Christmas, 4 grits from xtra corse to xtra fine. I've been getting decent results, but how do you set the angle of the micro bevel so confidently and keep it where you want it? that is my biggest obstacle while sharpening.
i like the dmt plates, but i prefer the 'Diasharp' line over the Duosharp. this is because the diasharp has continuous diamonds where the duosharp has a bunch of holes everywhere. i do not like the holes because there is a much greater chance for error and damage the knife with the style of sharpening i use.
the microbevel is done with the finer stones and it's most important to keep your edge at a consistant angle. you can achieve this with a steady hand.
try to hold the knife in such a way that the knife's angle is constantly supported. and never sharpen when your hand is tired. take a break if you feel any fatigue.
i sharpen the knife, holding it in a pinch grip, resting the spine of the knife against my pointer finger, securing the knife with my thumb. you can see this in the video.
Question: I've got a Kai Shun Classic Series knives and I'm wondering how to get rid of those schratches on tha blade, who are left from sharpen on the sharpening steel. Can I use Your tecjnique of mirror finish. Those It do the job done??
the easy answer is to not scratch the sides! haha, but yes, you can use microfilm to polish up the sides. it's tedious. i've done it twice. i doubt i'll ever do it again!
All i want t o know is about the micron paper...... if i use a piece of malemine for a short time will it work???? It would b very flat, for the first use anyway!!
What exactly are you using to sharpen the knives???
Ive been looking for that 3m Microfilm stuff but I dont see it anywhere online. What is it??? A little bit of information would be awesome. Thanks ahead.
@belita101 I believe he is using water because I sharpen my knives the same way. This method produces a knife that n whittle hair.
POINTMANDDT 1 day ago
Santa Claus at 6:30?
khanrhy 1 day ago
Were you using just water or honing oil.
belita101 3 days ago
I think I will dream about your video tonite...awesome.
ricroz07 3 days ago
can you use glass for this?
instead of the granite
Ltb0b 4 days ago
Very serial-killer-esque
ultimatehater69 1 week ago
sharp ass knife! love the Cowboy Bebop soundtrack too!
Soulman1282 1 week ago
Cowboy bebop OST :D
tealosophy 1 week ago
Can you used this method to polish fillet knives? I trying to learn how to sharpen them.
jazzlife1 1 week ago
@3:58 I am not sure if you know this but that technique your using is similar to edge polishing. The Japanese were the first to be known for polishing the edges of their Katanas
sato4kaiba 1 week ago
I agree. If you introduce a secondary bevel on the blade you will disrupt the friction coefficient factor of the blade thereby dulling the knife. As far as I was thought, if you use a secondary bevel, then it needs to be rounded from the secondary bevel to the primary bevel to give a balanced cutting surface. Very nice vid!
sato4kaiba 1 week ago
not scary sharp, beautifully sharp
100percentgradeA 1 week ago
i want you to sharpen my katana lol
CTHULHUCALL 1 week ago
This isn't sharpening. It's polishing.
spurrit 1 week ago
this is utter shit
thank you
vjanda1 2 weeks ago
nice music
diaperedbiker1 2 weeks ago
Dude! Love ur style!!!
I don't have a granite block so I use a glass sheet instead. Nothing worse than a dull blade!!! Keep up the good work!!!
bappaking 3 weeks ago
awsome i loved your video thanks
synRdave 3 weeks ago
how long do these microfilms last? also, i plan to use this method to sharpen/polish a 28" katana. would love to have your recommendation on how many of which grit to purchase. thanks!
viper2788 3 weeks ago
Hey dude what is the tune about 7 minutes in? It's jumping!
Good work.
Thanks
Mike
Owmyballsdude 1 month ago
3:08 6:39 - lovin' the cowboy bebop music =D
BIZARR099 1 month ago
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BIZARR099 1 month ago
keep in mind...making your knifes scary sharp..wears your razors edge where it will go dull in about half of the time as making it sharp enough either be it shaving or chopping with it around the kitchen..big difference.
jrcrow79 1 month ago
Impressive! Killer music, too!
cptcosmo 1 month ago
This is definitely the sharpest knife I've ever seen. I've never seen someone so skilled at sharpening freehand.
TheAristotleQ 1 month ago
very cool video. thanks for sharing
associate39 2 months ago
OK, I'm finally impressed with a sharpening video. When you can cut paper in mid air you're getting it right. Nice job, I may start using this method.
MrMZaccone 2 months ago
Nice!
SHTFSurvivalist 2 months ago
i think i just cut myself just by watching this
JesseJames2507 2 months ago
I have never seen it done like that but thats great. I will be trying it myself.
717sport 2 months ago
Is that paper reusable?
bluryang 2 months ago
Not heard this tune in years! Ace!
Wiegieboard 3 months ago
holy crap WOW thats awsome
gunnuts82 3 months ago
I am IMPRESSED Sir!!! Your effort is incredible!
LMarshall32 3 months ago
You sir are an artist.
Brad112476 3 months ago
Ow! I just cut my finger just WATCHING this video.
THAT'S HOW SHARP IT IS!
ascolti 3 months ago
i use 1 micron diamond paste on a full grain leather belt and a 6000 grit wet ceramic stone before that and i can shave with my knife without soap, nice video
petelebu 3 months ago
What is that microfilm? Is it a kind of sandpaper?
perto75 3 months ago
Horrible music!
MrMaypole14 4 months ago
stupid music , put me off watching the vid
TrojanWarrior74 4 months ago
@TrojanWarrior74 "Mute", Google it.
RockMojave 4 months ago
@RockMojave ha ha ha your a very funny guy
TrojanWarrior74 3 months ago
that is the definition of 'scary sharp' only thing sharper is a light saber
gokuthaman777 4 months ago
Whew ! ... Thanks for showing me how to touch up my Fiskars Camp Axe, in the field ! There's plenty of flattish rocks, down here, in the Texas Hill Country ... Limestone OK ?
phrankus2009 4 months ago
Hey what do you think of the edge pro apex system?
mrkackerwacker 4 months ago
Music is 'Rush' - Cowboy Bebop OST disc 1 by The Seatbelts and Yoko Kanno.
Zedta 4 months ago
Love the vid .Love the jazz. Please identify the music, I'd like to hear more!
notthenutter 4 months ago
did not finish watching this ,, the music has to go ,,,,and i think jazz is great
heettreet 4 months ago
Thank you for your artful sharpening and your terrific video. The music rocked too!
jeffdustin 5 months ago
oh god. . .i think i came when i saw that mirror polished edge
TedOfNod 5 months ago
This is the cowboy bebop soundtracks.... =O
BIZARR099 5 months ago
I love this video, thanks @eceipretsam! I notice you put your fingers at the tip rather than moving along the bevel. Is this something you do just when you have such a wide bevel? Also, is the 3m microfilm more economical than water stones?
rask4p 5 months ago
@rask4p thank you!
i usually keep my hands and put pressure on near the handle, and somewhere up front, near the tip. usually it's about 3/4 of the way up towards the tip. this keeps pressure more even. if you think about it, the tip of knives are usually tapered, and it's thinner up there, and on top of that, there's less stone time to those areas, so it's important to make sure they are being sharpened.
fine microfilm is = to like 15k or 30k stones. but, granite is flat, always.
eceipretsam 5 months ago
@eceipretsam I did some research and I can't seem to find this Micro type of paper. All I saw was this
2000 For touch-up repairs on a high gloss finish 1500 For generating a high gloss 1200 For generating a satin finish 800 For generating a matte finish Ultra Fine (600) Super Fine (400) Extra Fine (320) For sanding between coats to remove bubbles and dust Very Fine (220) For removing raised fibers and blending repairs
Airmanmx1 1 month ago
nice music
albinotoe 6 months ago
This has to be the best video for the 3M lapping paper i've come across, having spent a good few years as a trainee chef I've had my share of sharpening experiences with an endless number of machines and gadgets, and even on good quality stones I've never gotten my knives upto the edge that this stuff has with this method
Zabraxas1 6 months ago
Wow you gave me a new goal in life: sharpen a blade until it mirrors.
turuanu 6 months ago 2
@turuanu yeah! but don't forget to make it sharp. just because a knife is shiny doesn't mean it's sharp. although, a very sharp knife will probably be shiny.
eceipretsam 6 months ago
@eceipretsam Precisely. I sharpen professionally and I can put a mirror shine on a knife simply by using white jewelers rouge or what some call sharpening compound that gives the effect of 20,000 grit but the edge may not be razor sharp. A knife is worthless if it doesn't cut.
DarkGallahad 1 month ago
where did you get the sand paper thx
knifelover1225 6 months ago
@knifelover1225 3m brand PSA backed microfilm is from: toolsforworkingwood . com
eceipretsam 6 months ago
yeah, 3m PSA backed microfilm. these are from: toolsforworkingwood . com
eceipretsam 6 months ago
Love the technique and the Yoko Kano.
skroonk 6 months ago
where do you get your glass from or will most glass be flat enough
MrAcronim 6 months ago
@MrAcronim most glass is flat enough, but the granite reference block is most accurate and isn't too expensive. but if you really want glass, you can go to a glass shop and ask for 'float glass'. thank you for watching!
eceipretsam 6 months ago
@eceipretsam from where did you got the films?? am I able to find and buy them online?
BBoyEmanuel 6 months ago
BRAVO!!! Beautiful work your an Yìshùjiā.
tat2edangel69 7 months ago
@tat2edangel69 thank you very much! i do consider sharpening an art form.
eceipretsam 7 months ago
Man, that looks sharp! I can't believe I actually watched the whole 10 minutes, even though I will never use that method. Do you have any videos showing how to use traditional sharpening stones (natural and/or diamond)?\
Thanks!
ChevySS1968 7 months ago
please someone tell me the whole name of that song.
i could not find it. please some one tell me!
Wahnsinnsr1nd 8 months ago
@Wahnsinnsr1nd
I found the name of first song, ha! It's Cowboy Bebop Vitaminless - Odd Ones
PuerRidcully 7 months ago
@PuerRidcully i thought i posted the song titles somewhere here. i'll get the rest of them listed.
eceipretsam 7 months ago
@PuerRidcully oh thank you very much
Wahnsinnsr1nd 7 months ago
@PuerRidcully The second song is the Tiger of San Pedro
MrKnifeFanatic 7 months ago
@MrKnifeFanatic no, the second song is titled 'rush', also from the cowboy bebop soundtrack.
eceipretsam 7 months ago
@eceipretsam oh my.. I'm a moron! Of course, I have the entire series on DVD. The song sounds a lot like the Tiger of San Pedro in the beginning. I forget. Check out the first minute of this though; watch?v=YmKIEmdrynM
MrKnifeFanatic 7 months ago
@eceipretsam oh my.. I'm a moron! Of course, I have the entire series on DVD. The song sounds a lot like the Tiger of San Pedro in the beginning. I forget. Check out the first minute of this though; watch?v=yzNg4j-EYYE The part around 28-30 seconds sounds like the trumpet part a lot!
MrKnifeFanatic 7 months ago
@MrKnifeFanatic just listened to 'Tiger of San Pedro'. wow, it was an amazing piece! it does sound quite similar. thank you for sharing! i really enjoyed the song!
eceipretsam 7 months ago
@eceipretsam My pleasure! Us knife nuts gotta stick together.. we done scared everyone else off!
MrKnifeFanatic 7 months ago
Thanks, very nice video. I wish guys like you live where I am, I would love to have my knife collection done like that. What type/# of waterstones would I need to get my blades looking like that. I just started with 1000grit, king 6000grit, and a chinese natural polishing stone. No grit number but some say 12000, while others say 4-6000.
trubornagain 8 months ago
@trubornagain a lot of people will tell you to start with 1000grit stone. many novice or beginning sharpeners usually get frustrated because their knives aren't getting sharp. the fact of the matter is that 1000 grit is not rough enough to remove metal quickly, so it takes forever.
the benefit with this is that since you cannot remove metal fast, there's a reduced chance of messing up your knives : P
i got a few other videos using waterstones. check them out! : )
Thank you for watching!
eceipretsam 8 months ago
@eceipretsam nice vid
dear Santa can u fly him out to me to work for 2 days on all me knives plleeeaaassssseeee :)
17hmr243 8 months ago
freakin' amazing!
after sharpening, do you just toss all the sharpening materials or can you reuse them later?
papacrapas87 8 months ago
I love the Cowboy Bebop OST Also... scary sharp is scary!
happysplodie 8 months ago
i don't quite understand... umm, you want us to make the bevel flat right? lol. but really. great vid. I'm curious as to why you didn't use murray's stropping technique rather than a microbevel though. i LOVE the polish job on that... i'm kinda in a rough spot right now, so i;m actually using a brick to sharpen my knives... i'm having a hard time getting a mirror polish on the blades, any recommendations?
iilovebooks 9 months ago
@iilovebooks i like microbevel because it's more precise.
i like flat and precise. hmmm, i'd rather use cement/concrete than actual bricks. you might get better results, too.
thank you for watching!
eceipretsam 9 months ago
you are some kind of knife sharping genius.
props, mad skillz and wtf. damn!!!!
mosiack91 9 months ago
How come you use microfilm instead of Japanese water stones? Microfilm seems awfully expense to use. No matter the reason, you did an excellent job!
dawilliamstn 9 months ago
@dawilliamstn hello! i use japanese waterstones, as well. i just wanted to show people what 'scary sharp' method was really supposed to mean. scary sharp method utilizes gritted paper.
check out my other videos. i have a couple using normal japanese stones as well as some premium japanese stones.
thank you for watching!
eceipretsam 9 months ago
You of all people ,deserve for me to say, Thankyou for making the video lol
ryanrrx 9 months ago
@ryanrrx thank you!
eceipretsam 9 months ago
GREAT VID, where did you get the granite block because i need to do this with my cold steel SRK which does not have a second bevel and was wondering if you could make a video of sharpening a combat/survival knife with no second bevel.. thanks for taking the time to read and respond to my comment
crazyfeet101 9 months ago
@crazyfeet101 hello! the block is called a "granite reference block" and can be found at most woodworking shops. hmmm, maybe i'll do a survival knife sometime. i will be sharpening a few knives for a client soon, one of which is a fixed outdoor knife. keep a look-out for a new video : )
eceipretsam 9 months ago
hi murray! arnon here. nicely done!
kalevraa 10 months ago
where did you buy the microfilms?
labefana91 10 months ago
@labefana91 tools for working wood .com
the ones used here are PSA backed. I like the variety pack to start with. Thank you for watching!
eceipretsam 10 months ago
where did you buy it?
labefana91 10 months ago
Nice..
soysauce376 10 months ago
Where can i buy that 3m sandpaper up .3 micron? Home Depot? Special Order?
linespermillimeter 10 months ago
haha dang I thought my knife was sharp. You're is a lot sharper than my knife. Mine will cut paper like yours but I don't think I can cut it in half when you throw the paper in the air. I have a Buck 119 which is my favorite knife. With the proper sharpening I bet it can be just as sharp like yours. good video.
jackjeckel5 10 months ago
hello
First of all sorry for my English I'm French
beautiful video, method and knife! ;-)
can you give a summary of the method: in order of grains (grift) and movements (beginning of the second bevel) used?
by movements, you will always base to the tip of the knife throughout your method or in the beginning you made of the coming and going even after ?????
I look forward to your responses
and thank you again for the video! :-)
Syfer92 11 months ago
@Syfer92 i do not start the second bevel until the polishing stages of sharpening. the idea is not to grind or remove much metal from the edge at this angle because that would cause the knife to dull faster. the idea is to just shape up the edge of the edge so that it is more durable against chipping.
the direction of movement does not really matter as long as even, equal pressure is applied throughout the blade.
thank you for watching the video! if you have more questions, please ask!
eceipretsam 11 months ago
@eceipretsam thank for you answer :-)
Syfer92 11 months ago
that music makes me want to hack the hell out of the sax player..
hydraman5 11 months ago
What's the songs you used? Great demo
xxmasterchiefofahlo 1 year ago
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adamgammack1988 1 year ago
What kind of edge retention do you get with no secondary bevel?
JonoNZ110 1 year ago
@JonoNZ110 on this knife or in general? in general, the thinner the absolute edge is, the sharper it will be and the longer it will stay sharp.
BUT, it all depends on the metal and the heat treat and the usage. it depends. i wish i could have people come over and use this knife. this is an amazing knife!
eceipretsam 1 year ago
@JonoNZ110 I wish I could use it!
JonoNZ110 1 year ago
I think one of those songs was the Tiger of San Pedro (second song?). BTW, awesome vids!
soulfly7112000 1 year ago
Sounds like cowboy bebop? ;)
KingZig86 1 year ago
Great video~ loving the work you put on it
but srsly does anyone know the name of the song he used?
evlassassin 1 year ago
Holy sharp knife..I tip my hat to you sir
phylor5333 1 year ago 6
Amazing. . . .where do you get the paper you use to do this type of sharpening? Can you ever get a piece of granite that is not perfectly flat?
steveh684 1 year ago
very nice.
SpartanJohns 1 year ago
what a piece of work
and the music is something else
thank you so mouch
MAAAH1581 1 year ago
MOM I SWEAR THAT I ONLY BARELY GRAZED HIM!!! mom looks over: THEN WHY IS LITTLE JOHNNY IN TWO?
xXcagllariXx 1 year ago
Awesome video! Thanks for posting!
Scotty4uHottie 1 year ago
thank you for teaching me something new.
xPumaFangx 1 year ago
o_O wow just saying what most people are thinking but that would WRECK your feet if you dropped it hahaha. Oh darn lost another toe.
joemama114 1 year ago
Ah right at 6:10 you should have put a sigh like "I AM KNIFE MASTER" behind you as a joke in the reflection. I would've laughed.... a lot.
joemama114 1 year ago
I just got some Microfilm in various grits. The 15 micron says what it is on the back of the paper. But there are yellow and white pieces of paper that are not marked. I assume the yellow is 1 micron and the white is .3 micron? Correct me if I am wrong. Thanks.
pianotuner101 1 year ago
@pianotuner101 you are correct.
eceipretsam 1 year ago
When you are preparing the micro bevel, do you do the same number of strokes as the bevel for each grit? ie 15 13 10 9 etc?
awhtjio 1 year ago
@awhtjio no. when setting the microbevel, you don't even start the microbevel until you're polishing. that means at 5 micron paper or on japanese stones, 3000 - 6000 grit stone. you don't want the stone or the paper to be so aggressive that it's removing a lot of metal. you just want to slightly strengthen the edge of the edge.
eceipretsam 1 year ago
@eceipretsam I see. Could you please provide a bit more detail on how you prepare the micro bevel, I don't want to blunt my knife after all the polishing! Great videos btw, I've got a reference glass and plan to source some lapping film.
awhtjio 1 year ago
@eceipretsam Do you find that it is really necessary to microbevel the knife? What performance characteristics do you think would differ, if you just treated it like a scandi edge, single bevel blade? I just recently reprofiled my KA-BAR to a zero grind scandi edge for better wood processing, and was able to get it sharp enough to shave my face after honing with my shaptons (though admittedly I did get some razor burn on my left cheek). Do you find that the microbevel aids in edge retention?
RebelWrestler45 1 year ago
Well, I finally got the 12 X 12 X 2 granite reference stone that is been honed to .0001 inch. I haven't used it on paper sharpening yet, however, I have used it to flatten my stones by using 100 grit sc wet/dry and I must say that the results were immediately apparant. The stones are dead flat and even tend to have a vaqcuum to the paper, making it necessary to take care in taking off the stone. For flattening stones this reference plate is a must-have item. Glad you responded to my emais.
pianotuner101 1 year ago
@pianotuner101 i'm glad i was able to help! the granite reference block is a very useful tool. thank you for watching!
eceipretsam 1 year ago
I dedided to buy the granite reference block. I want a perfectly flat surface and I figure it's tuition well spent. Meanwhile I did find a 1/2 inch piece of float glass; 12 x 18 that will get me by until the reference stone arrives. I know I will be much happier afterward. Thanks for your helpful hints in the meanwhile. L.
pianotuner101 1 year ago
Great video - Where can I order the 3M abrasive down to 1 & 3 Microns????
mbertsche 1 year ago
Very impressive video! Question: I got a piece of granite from local cabinet making shop. Is this generally flat enough or can I get it flatter by rubbing two piece of granite together or a similar technique? Thanks again for this video which I have watched at least 20 times now.
pianotuner101 1 year ago
@pianotuner101 see, the question i have for you is this: the granite you got... is it a just a piece of granite or is it a 'granite reference block'?
the difference is that the piece of granite, although it is visually flat, the 'granite reference block' is designed to be used as a flat reference.
if it's not a reference block, the granite is still ok as long as it's mostly flat. when using microfilm, the flatter the better because of more surface contact with the knife.
eceipretsam 1 year ago
@eceipretsam Hello again. I have one more question. What are you referring to when you say "float glass"? Is plate glass similar? Thanks.
pianotuner101 1 year ago
@pianotuner101 float glass is similar to plate glass. glass is usually pretty flat no matter what it's called.
if you got that granite slab, just stick to it. when you use the microfilm on it, just look at it while you sharpen. as you sharpen, you'll see darker spots. that's where the film is removing metal. if there are a lot of hollow areas, that's where it's either uneven (unflat) or where you have air bubbles.
eceipretsam 1 year ago
@pianotuner101 but the answer is no. don't try to flatten it. yes, it's mostly flat enough. you're not missing out that much if it's not perfectly flat.
a lot of people use float glass instead of granite, but i prefer granite.
thank you very much for watching my videos. i'm very happy that i can be helpful!
eceipretsam 1 year ago
@eceipretsam Thank-you for answering my question so quickly. I understand now what you are talking about. A granite reference block would ideally be the thing to use. What I got were leftover pieces of granite from countertops that they basically gave away to me.I will visit the company and ask if they can get me a granite reference block, which I will be more than happy to pay for. I did visit the toolsforwoodworking and I probably will be buying some micro film from them.
pianotuner101 1 year ago
where did you get the granite slab, and where did you get the 3m Microfilm? Thanks.
killerkowalczyk 1 year ago
@killerkowalczyk i got the granite reference block at my local woodworking shop for about $35 five years ago. the 3m microfilm was ordered from 'tools for working wood .com'. they have a sampler pack.
eceipretsam 1 year ago
@eceipretsam Nice vid, what is the music called?
andreaiscoolerthanyo 1 year ago
holy shit! awsome video. ive only been able to find 2000 grit sandpaper to sharpen my knives so where can i buy this micron film?
360treflipskater360 1 year ago
OK, at risk of seeming like an idiot, what is microfilm?
75SilentWarrior 1 year ago
Great method!!! i'm using this method of yours in conjunction with convexing to get the best of both worlds, do you have any advice for me before i start my project? =p
MaxIsSoHungry 1 year ago
@MaxIsSoHungry when doing any kind of sharpening, you have to keep your angles and hand position in mind. just keep in mind what you're doing, what your hand is doing and what's happening to the knife : )
have fun!
eceipretsam 1 year ago
@eceipretsam Hey, Thanks for the advise, making convex edge is really hard when the angle is not right =X anyway, just to update that i've sorta completed the sharening except that i don't have a 0.3 micron , i only got a 0.5 micron lapping film,(thanks to the sales rep at 3m Malaysia). and i kinda can't seem to do the cut the paper in the air trick =p is it because mine is a convex edge and yours is a double bevel? I want to cut paper in the air~~ XD anyway, hope to hear from you, thanks!
MaxIsSoHungry 1 year ago
@MaxIsSoHungry Yes, a convex edge is going to have a greater friction coefficient than a flat bevel; but the convex bevel is going to give you better edge reinforcement, and therefore better edge durability. In addition, the angle of the convex edge, in addition to the harshness of the convex edge transition will also effect friction resistance while cutting. Unless you have a convex edge with a very very shallow, slow transition to the edge, cutting the paper in the air is going to be very hard
RebelWrestler45 1 year ago
Did you have Carter custom make your knife?
On his website i don't see anything this long. I'm excited enough to impulse buy, but I need one big enough for cleaning fish not just a line knife for service.
jeshuva 1 year ago
@jeshuva yes. i had waited for this knife for a long time. it's white steel cladded with some metal he found in his back yard. he calls it "garden steel", hahaha. i'm actually getting a chance to meet murray carter!
eceipretsam 1 year ago
@eceipretsam how much did you pay for this? Please tell me it was cheap. Making flat even bevels is one of the most basic skills. When I forge knives I make flat bevels with a freaking hammer...theres no excuse for wavy bevels.
azreal289 1 year ago
@azreal289 would you like to send me a knife that you made for evaluation?
eceipretsam 1 year ago
@eceipretsam would I like to send a knife to some random guy on the internet that i have spent hours upon hours making? hell no, but as a compromise I am getting a camera in the near future so I can post videos of my knives and hopefully attract some business. Perhaps you can see abuse of one of my knives on one of those videos and draw your own conclusion.
azreal289 1 year ago
That's an overkill knife made even more overkill there. Damn.
Spartansoldier217 1 year ago
@Spartansoldier217 thanks : )
it's a hell of a knife! one of my all time favourite knives to use!
eceipretsam 1 year ago
Awesome!
syberraith 1 year ago
Hey awesome video.
Where did you get your granite from? What purpose was it originally for? and how did you get the 3 micron flatness measurement?
nfoley 1 year ago
@nfoley hello! i got the granite reference block from a local woodworking shop. when i bought it, it came with a flatness review of it that was measured by lasers. i actually think it was less than 3 micron variance of flatness.
eceipretsam 1 year ago
awesome music and a nice demonstration, bebop all the way! :)
erz0arch 1 year ago 10
Hey, does anyone know where i can buy it and how much it costs? and is it reusable or am i better of finding extra fine (3000+) Sandpaper? im mostly planning on polishing, so just i just buy 8000 grit?
shadowxd98 1 year ago
@shadowxd98 i got this paper at tools for working wood.com. i got the whole set. i prefer PSA backed paper and used with water, just like the video shows.
eceipretsam 1 year ago
music is kinda annoying, a slower and calmer one could be much better ;)
sarelle500gr 1 year ago
Beautiful!!!!!
greggreg88 1 year ago
i have been looking for the microfilm aswell, i found this if anyone is interested... bloody youtube wont let me post the link but google 3M Micron Graded Finishing Film.. look for one on the hswalsch website
gobacktorussia 1 year ago
wow thats crazy
nellynell77 1 year ago
That's one of the sexiest things I've ever seen.
tacticalrenegade 1 year ago
now that's one sharp knife! but it's a hard way....
09ssl 1 year ago
japanese knives are very sharp and very usefull to afgani fighters in beheading their enemies.
finchiestiffler79 1 year ago
is this the cowboy beebop soundtrack?
sounds like it...
skil1977 1 year ago
A few questions. Where do you get the 3M Microfilm? Approximately, how long did it take to sharpen this knife?
sufenta67 1 year ago
I just got a set of DMT duosharp plus stones for Christmas, 4 grits from xtra corse to xtra fine. I've been getting decent results, but how do you set the angle of the micro bevel so confidently and keep it where you want it? that is my biggest obstacle while sharpening.
Timothius82 2 years ago
i like the dmt plates, but i prefer the 'Diasharp' line over the Duosharp. this is because the diasharp has continuous diamonds where the duosharp has a bunch of holes everywhere. i do not like the holes because there is a much greater chance for error and damage the knife with the style of sharpening i use.
the microbevel is done with the finer stones and it's most important to keep your edge at a consistant angle. you can achieve this with a steady hand.
eceipretsam 1 year ago
try to hold the knife in such a way that the knife's angle is constantly supported. and never sharpen when your hand is tired. take a break if you feel any fatigue.
i sharpen the knife, holding it in a pinch grip, resting the spine of the knife against my pointer finger, securing the knife with my thumb. you can see this in the video.
eceipretsam 1 year ago
that was a real treat to watch. thanks. I really loved the music too, you have good taste.
Timothius82 2 years ago
5/5
Very sophisticated!
derast 2 years ago
Nice job!!
Question: I've got a Kai Shun Classic Series knives and I'm wondering how to get rid of those schratches on tha blade, who are left from sharpen on the sharpening steel. Can I use Your tecjnique of mirror finish. Those It do the job done??
cygano106 2 years ago
the easy answer is to not scratch the sides! haha, but yes, you can use microfilm to polish up the sides. it's tedious. i've done it twice. i doubt i'll ever do it again!
eceipretsam 2 years ago
nice
MrConner227 2 years ago
All i want t o know is about the micron paper...... if i use a piece of malemine for a short time will it work???? It would b very flat, for the first use anyway!!
dzlk78 2 years ago
What exactly are you using to sharpen the knives???
Ive been looking for that 3m Microfilm stuff but I dont see it anywhere online. What is it??? A little bit of information would be awesome. Thanks ahead.
WannaBVocal 2 years ago
@WannaBVocal you can pick up a product called micromesh from ebay all the time, as far as i'm aware its the same thing.
it's used to polish scratches out of things like glass, silverware and even gold without removing too uch material.
hope helps ^_^
DarkLordVincent 2 years ago