Michael Jordan vs Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Larry Bird, Allen Iverson, Wilt Chamberlain

[austin29415]

wilt only scores because hes tall

[xxbluejay21]

There can never be a "greatest of all time" imo. Jordan was incredible, but you're forgetting Wilt who scored an AVERAGE of 50 points a game and 20+ rebounds. He & Russell each got more than 50 rebounds in one game. Russell won 11 championships, 8 in a row. Oscar Robertson averaged a triple double throughout a season. Not saying that they're better than Jordan, but Im saying you cant choose one player as a certain "best of all time". There's too many great players that are before this generation

[nina28378]

we all can be the greatest of basketball

but jordan is the god

[MrJabrock]

why is A I on the list

[theoGnRfan]

Wilt Chamberlain was the best!

i don't care what people say, i know he was(RIP) the best ever.

[gongxia649]

whos better lebron or jordan? lbj is taller

[KdDevil14]

Wilt Chamberlain and Michael Jordan would still be a debate only in the offensive half , nobody has Chamberlains stats but he happens to hold 74NBA records , that's something even Jordan has not accomplished . On the other hand Jordan has consistently proved himself as they best to ever step on the basketball court . Michael Jordan is an all round best player , Chamberlain "MIGHT" just compete with Jordan in the offensive part .

[BigTimePride]

@KdDevil14 Haha, Jordan don't compare to Wilt on offense! And you think Jordan was better all around than Wilt? No way! Wilt would've led the league in blocks every season if they kept track of blocks back then. One night the scorer's table kept track of his blocks just to see how many he would get. Wilt had 27 blocks in that game. I watched him block Jabbar 9 times in one game & Wilt was past his prime when he did this. Also, Wilt led the league in assists one season just to prove he could.

[BigTimePride]

The two best players MJ ever had to play against was Bird and Magic. Bird's Celtics swept MJ's Bulls twice and when MJ faced a 32 year old Magic Johnson in the Finals his defensive flaws were exposed. Magic toyed with MJ in game 1 and the Lakers beat the Bulls on their own court. That's why they had to put Pippen on Magic in that series b/c MJ couldn't handle him. The 80s Lakers would've killed those Bulls. Magic Johnson isn't John Starks and MJ was lucky to play into the 90s.

[ohmygoodnessplease]

"Toyed with" ... which is why they won so big in game 1 ... do a simple search on MJ's and Scottie's finals defense on Magic. You don't deserve me giving you the best websites that easily. And "the 80's Lakers would've killed those Bulls"? The 90's Lakers WERE killed by those Bulls, so the 90's Lakers were zombie garbage? Check your posts for consistency before posting.

[BigTimePride]

@ohmygoodnessplease I don't need to seach any websites. I watched the entire series! MJ couldn't contain Magic so they put Pippen on him after the Bulls lost game 1 in Chicago. As for the 80 & 90s Lakers, there is no comparison. The 80s Lakers were superior and it's not even close, unless of course you never watched them play and have no idea what you're talking about.

[ohmygoodnessplease]

@BigTimePride Good comeback, ignoring the evidence. Question me while avoiding my critique of your comment--good strategy. Mag "toyed with" Mike, which is why they won game 1 so big; and this switch with Pippen you remember is why Magic's numbers got alot worse after game 1; and because the 91 Lakers were such an inferior team to Showtime, be able to kill them means the 91 Bulls really had no chance against the 80's Lakers ... got it. Tell Magic his squad was zombie garbage. Great arguments BT.

[BigTimePride]

@ohmygoodnessplease Ok, you're absolutely correct (rolling eyes). They put Pippen on Magic because MJ was shutting him down. Makes perfect sense (sarcasm intended). And you're right again. The 91 Lakers were stacked with talent and one of the greatest teams ever! They would most likely give the showtime 80s Lakers fits and Divac would own Jabbar. Btw..Worthy & Scott were injured and neither finished the series against the Bulls. Who needs to research? Great arguments ohmy!

[ohmygoodnessplease]

@BigTimePride AGAIN: Reply to what I'm wrote, like I replied to what you wrote. Stop just typing alot without refuting my logic. I want to make it easier for you. Follow the following posts, one at a time.

[ohmygoodnessplease]

@ohmygoodnessplease

Question 1: If Mag "toyed with" Mike in Game 1, why did the Lakers barely win Game1?

Your best answer should have been: because the rest of the Lakers weren't as effective.

[ohmygoodnessplease]

@ohmygoodnessplease

Which is why I implied ...

Question 2: If so, then why, if Magic ceased "toying with" Michael in Game 1, why did Magic's numbers stay Magic-like for the rest of the series?

Your best answer should have been: assuming Magic ceased "toying with Michael" after Game 1, Magic "toyed with" everyone who guarded him.

[ohmygoodnessplease]

@ohmygoodnessplease

And, thusly, your characterization of Magic's success in Game 1 as solely a defensive failure for Michael is refuted, by using your own premises of Magic "toying with" Michael in Game 1 and Scottie effectively switching and playing better defense on Mag thereafter.

[ohmygoodnessplease]

@ohmygoodnessplease

Question 3: If the 80's Lakers would have "killed" the 91 Bulls, the 91 Lakers were a far inferior team to the 80s Lakers, and the 91 Bulls killed the 91 Lakers, how is it unreasonable to imagine that the 91 Bulls could have been competitive with the 80s Lakers?

Your best answer should have been: It is reasonable that the 91 Bulls could have competed with Showtime at its prime, given the Bulls regular season and playoff success.

[BigTimePride]

@ohmygoodnessplease Answer to your question # 3....The 91 Bulls didn't really kill the 91 Lakers. For starters, they lost in Chicago. Another game went into OT. All of this happened against an old, injured and inferior 91 Lakers team. I think the mid 90s Bulls teams would beat the earlier Bulls teams. Do you agree with this?

[ohmygoodnessplease]

@BigTimePride

And LA got blown out twice. 4 games to 1 almost lost, with two blowouts? That's a kill. The mid 90s, with Kukoc and Rodman? ... Woulda went seven. Young v. Old MJ, Scottie. But good back and forth. Enjoy the Super Bowl. GIANTS WIN.

[BigTimePride]

@ohmygoodnessplease Many Bulls fans us that 91 Finals to rate their greatness. They insist the 90s Bulls would've beat the great teams of the 80s because of MJ. They need to keep in mind that even an older Magic Johnson with bad knees gave MJ all he could handle in the 91 Finals. If they had faced the great 80s Lakers with prime Magic, Worthy, Jabbar etc...the Bulls wouldn't have the luxury of putting Pippen on Magic because they would get beat somewhere else. Besides, who covers Jabbar?

[ohmygoodnessplease]

@BigTimePride Woulda been hard--I don't know they win, but given their domination of the 91 Lakers, they have a chance ... it's rare a team w/o a All-Star center wins it all ... Bulls were special

[BigTimePride]

@ohmygoodnessplease That's nonsense! It's not that rare for teams to win championships without great centers. Look what the bad boy Pistons did to Jordan's Bulls and they didn't have a great center. What about the 70s Celtics with 6'9" Dave Cowens? What about the 08 Celtics? 2012 Mavs? 2010 Lakers? The 90s Bulls were good but they had the luxury of playing in the watered down expansion era...the 90s.

[BigTimePride]

@ohmygoodnessplease IMO, after watching the 90s Bulls & the current teams, I don't think any of them could beat the 80s champions.Those 80s teas were loaded with talent & deep on the bench. They had the ability to play any style of game. These teams today can't do that. For starters, none of them have great centers. Howard is very good on defense but he's a liability at the free throw line & still can't create his own shot. The 90s Bulls or any of today's would have no answer for Jabbar.

[BigTimePride]

@ohmygoodnessplease Well, I think the Bulls would've won regardless of who covered Magic, but it was easier with Pippen covering him. I credit Phil Jackson.

[BigTimePride]

@ohmygoodnessplease Answer to your question #2...Nobody stops Magic but Pippen did a much better job of making him work for everything. It also allowed Jordan to excel on the offensive end because he was using so much energy and mental concentration trying to cover Magic. It was a great move by Phil Jackson.

[ohmygoodnessplease]

@BigTimePride

Having agreed with the premise for question 2, you haven't disagreed with my conclusion following question 2--that Magic's success didn't show up anything about MJ, even if you I accept the premise that Scottie effectively covered Michael for the rest of the series. So that crack at Michael's d doesn't stand up. That's the first thing I wanted to establish.

[BigTimePride]

@ohmygoodnessplease Ok, I agree Magic's success didn't show up because of MJ. However, Pippen proved in that series he was a better individual defender than Jordan.

[BigTimePride]

@ohmygoodnessplease Answer to your question #1...The 91 Lakers had no business winning in Chicago! They were old & didn't have near the talent. Magic was past his prime with bad knees but he still led them to victory. Worthy & Scott were playing with bad injuries & neither were able to finish the series. Aside from that their coach was no good.These are the facts!

[ohmygoodnessplease]

@BigTimePride So you're agreeing that the other Lakers weren't as effective as Magic--as I imagined was the best answer you could have given. That confirms the basis for question 2.

[nicvalces]

why iverson and james??

[WindyCityAssassin1]

@nicvalces They are amazing

[foureleven86]

why do ppl even try and argue? take a poll any day, its not just a coincidence that everyone n their mom thinks hes the greatest!!

[SQLO]

Jordan demasiado poderoso para este planeta

[TheCoolstuff444]

kobe bryant has jumpers he can stay in the air more than most ppl in the history of the nba. michael jordon can drive in and get those dunks and curcis shots. but in my opinion kobe bryant needs a little more to be better than mj.

ps. u forgot to put adur kareem and d wade in there :D

[Hawkhunter07]

@TheCoolstuff444

A little more? You mean needing 30+ and 49.7% for his entire career, 8 more scoring titles, 3 more steal titles, 1 DPOY, 1 ROTY, 4 more mvp, 4 more finals mvp is a little more?

Kids like you need to know the game more, MJ wasn't all about dunks and circus shots, he was the best mid-range fadeaway shooter in the history of the game, watch a 91-98 Jordan and tell me with a straight face he was only dunking on people

[TheCoolstuff444]

@Hawkhunter07 ok my bad u dont need to rage on me.........

and i know hes not all about that but most of his most memorable moments were from dunks and circu's

[Hawkhunter07]

@TheCoolstuff444

That's because kids don't know anything about basketball history, maybe if you did something more than just look at highlights, you'd find footage of his amazing fadeaway shots, him posting up bigger players, amazing first step/cross overs

shit that you don't usually see in highlights, I hate it when people say he was only about dunks and circus shots, he had everything Kobe has and better, but idiots fail to see that because they only watch highlights

[TheCoolstuff444]

@Hawkhunter07 i have seen jordons jumpers and fades (in reality the the fade aways kobe does he copied them of of jordon) and i have also seen him crossover some good ppl................ and i was just giving my opinion

[Murasban]

@Hawkhunter07 I still say that even though MJ was the best, Allen Iverson had the best crossovers.

[Hawkhunter07]

@Murasban

well I never claimed MJ had the best crossover, the whole crossover thing is debatable between Tim Hardaway and Allen Iverson, nonetheless MJ had a deadly one as well. What most people don't realize is that although MJ had an explosive 1st step (which he relied on most of the time), his crossover was simple, effective and quick, there was no exaggerated movements and it got his defender where he wanted everytime.

[Mikhailisrafeel23]

@Hawkhunter07 UR RIGHT. JORDAN PERFECTED THE FADEAWAY SHOT! AND KOBE ASK JORDAN HOW TO DO IT BUT LETS SAY HE GOT IT 75% OF MJ FADEAWAY SHOT.

[Murasban]

@Hawkhunter07 I agree with you about Kobe and MJ. Kobe has had maybe one true MJ-like game, and that was when he scored 81 points... but even then it wasn't to the extent that MJ was able to score, half of his shots were just heavily guarded 3pters that he happened to make. MJ will always be better than Kobe, and Kobe is a major poser of MJ too, he copies pretty much all that MJ has ever done.... or at least tries to

[Naruto1ownsSasuke]

i think kobe is better at mid-range than mj but mj is better driving the ball to the paint and to the rim. but both are good and play alike so nothing loss there. in fact lets make the two be there self kobe is kobe and jordan is jordan

[Hawkhunter07]

@Naruto1ownsSasuke

MJ has a better mid-range game, don't let the highlights fool you, watch a 96-98 MJ and you'll see his automatic fadeaways from mid-range, it was AUTOMATIC, Kobe's fadeaways aren't quite as automatic yet, MJ shot near 50% with them

[predadordemarea]

Michael Jordan has influenced the way of Kobe Bryant and Lebron James play.

[gacm1840]

@predadordemarea I agree

[MrThatscool123]

u kooda just called this mj highlights

[marsiedlot]

MICHAEL WOULD AVERAGE 45 WITH THE RULES TODAY_ PHIL JACKSON

[louisiana3371]

@marsiedlot thats not even true. basketball player are stronger and faster than players in jordan era

[reaper1549]

@louisiana3371 well athleticism isnt everything the players nowadays have no understanding of the fundementals of the game itself but then again i doubt any of us do either

[louisiana3371]

@louisiana3371 we surely dont, im jusy saing 45 points a game is lot for anybody to score

[Mikhailisrafeel23]

@louisiana3371 JORDAN HAD 37.1 PPG IN THE 80'S WITH A TOUGHER DEFENSE. IT ISNT POSSIBLE THAT JORDAN CAN AVG 45+ PPG TODAY'S ERA.

[Hawkhunter07]

@louisiana3371

The fact that MJ is faster and stronger than Kobe nullifies that little argument, almost every credible coach and player has said MJ in this era would do much better and wreak havok, Phil Jackson and Larry brown said MJ would avg 45+, Doc Rivers said Prime MJ would avg 42+ and 50% against the 2010 celtics, Scottie Pippen said MJ would avg 45-50 in today's game and can score 100 (which MJ also said himself), MJ always fulfilled his promises, this is no different

[Mikhailisrafeel23]

@louisiana3371 YOU CAN SAY THAT PLAYERS TODAY ARE FASTER B/C THE DEFENDER IS GIVING HIM SPACE UNLIKE B4 THE DEFENDER IS STICKING AT YOU. JORDAN AT AGE 40 DID OUTSPEED SOME OF THE YOUNG PLAYERS IN 2003.

[Miles678Z]

Kobe = Great Player

Jordan = Not Human!!!

[12QWEt]

MJ FOREVER 

[StoopidAnus]

until someone matches the heart and killer instinct of MJ, then NO ONE will ever come close to being as great as MJ.

kobe came close in that respect, but it doesn't match that of MJ's.

lebron, well we know how that worked out.

[rob23molina]

@StoopidAnus That's the truth.

[zooyork2323]

Michael is the best ever no one can compare!

[todor15]

MJ is like the little boy in the movie the last airbender, he has mastered all parts of the game and he is untouchable

[rob23molina]

@todor15 AWESOME example

[stupidtvduck]

@todor15 and he's got a bald head

[Xdeser1]

@todor15 cept the last airbender was absolute shit and nothing like the original................

[JusssMeee444]

@todor15 Bird touched him a lot. Not to mention bulls rarely won against the celtics.

[vernonshaw00]

yo, outrageous move. AndreC17 I particularly like the middle =P Can you believe that I finally worked hard enough to begin dunking! I just used the a real workout training over at 50 inch vertical (dot) com and did it in just 5 weeks

Michael Jordan vs Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Larry Bird, Allen Iverson, Wilt Chamberlain

[BigTimePride]

It's impossible to say who the GOAT is because they all bring something different to the game. All we can do is look at who dominated their respective eras. Nobody won like Russell and nobody dominated like Wilt. End of story. Doesn't matter about the what if's.

[razzle9438]

@BigTimePride true that the goat to you is really you`re opinion cause they all very spectacular in their own way

[TheBubblemen]

1:31 he travels!

[mariko2294]

Guys i was lately googling about some oldschool movies and i found NBAPremium(.)tk its really great lots of unseen stuff there

[33SuperLARRYBIRD]

larry bird is the best b ball player to ever play

[rob23molina]

Everyone has their own opinion. I believe MJ was is the greatest of all time.

[aderorr]

this believes everyone who knows something about basketball

[IBeThatG]

@rob23molina he was nd still is

[TheFrostyblackman]

@rob23molina THAT IS NOT A OPINION IS A FACT  MJ ALL DAY

[heidegger1243]

3:24 the look on jordan's face indicates that he is disgusted by his own level of domination

[GoingOn9Lives]

Now lets reverse the roles and place a lightening speed MJ a 6'6 guard (the biggest guard at that time was Oscar at 6'5) in the 60's with a run and gun type of offense?? Yeah starting to come around now

[GoingOn9Lives]

Im not diminishing wilt he was a superior athlete and I honestly believe he would average about 40 PPG on his best season in the late 80's to today but in no way could he get those numbers

[GoingOn9Lives]

Yeah but Wilt Russell and Oscars era was an era in where teams shot more than any other era. The total average for a team in 1962 is 118 points per game the highest in history and with lowest FG% in history. That means that the average PPG for a scorer like WIlt and OScar would rise dramatically as well as rebounds. Add in the rules that were placed in the 60's like 24 shot clock, 3 sec rule, not being able to jump the free throw line during foul shots. All this equals... well not 50 PPG lol

[nelas69]

is this a best off??? if it isn't it should be... realy nice man... cheers

[dirta2315]

mj equals 3rd of all time

[BigTimePride]

The record book doesn't lie. Wilt Chamberlain was the most dominating of them all.

[gmluka]

Nice