If I copy the Monalisa you would say I was Stealing the Monalisa would you ?
Software should be free, and I am a support of the free , and open source software movement ... Like Linux Mint , or Linux Ubuntu for example a free operating system that have almost now viruses unlike Windows...
These are the same people who get on cribs and say hey look what your money bought me. The way taxes are and other legal scams go about getting money from us karma must him them some how
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Why pirates can sell their products at reasonable price and ear money? If all these recording studios had 'resonable price', I'm sure people would buy their products. Of course it's cheaper to download from torrent, it's free...
I agree :) Some people can't afford it. When inflation occurs no one will be able to afford it unless wages rise. They take away torrent sites and I imagine there will be alot of angry internet users.
@KGBDemon No worries, I'm cool. Was just saying, if they think taking away free files/information will help, it will literally crash the market. At this point mostly no one can possibly even begin to afford paying full out price for everything they like. I bet when most people bought an MP3 player they downloaded the music they used for free, unless you got into the Itunes thing when that started up and paid per song . I'm not a pay and play fan, for me easier is better = No CC
you bet money money information should be free I'm sure they are still making money if you want a song you can record it off the radio stop letting them control and take your rights with music they can make thier money doing concerts hollywood will be disappearing computers are going to take that over you won't need real people! so leave the internet alone
Nine Inch Nails did that. They put their music on the internet for free than charged a little more per ticket for their sold out shows. A very good idea in my opinion that way a band could take alot more of the profit and get rid of the corporate/overseeing costs.
Actually IP theft of other ideas/inventions and reverse engineering is huge now due to all the factories in 3rd worlds now. You can get counterfeit iphones, handbags, just about everything.
Not if you buy one from walmart! I'm noticing the video games I'm buying are coming with lots of bugs and viruses.. that slow the game down..one game developer even went as far as to stop me from using the SDK for map editing. Why stop others from learning! Its not fair!
well i am avere that illegal file sharing damages people who make music, films and so on, but if we look at people whose music and films we "share" we will see that they have billions of dollars, and although i appreciate their effort on making their products i think they are overpaid and that their products are overpriced!!!
I ask you when will you earn a 1.000.000 dollars and will that happen in your lifetime even if you live in wealthier counties? And yet they earn 20.000.000 per film!!!
u expect me not to torrent? when i buy a dvd i have to sit throo fbi warnings and boring unskippable preveiws......but when i torrent a movie it starts instantly....so even if dvds wer free.....i would still torrent
huh, so biggest problem:-)) however, it's interested moment: the World companies force own copyright to be more weighty than human privacy:-) moreover, those companies have legal means to steal "New Waves" with Nobel prize -- it's really miserable pittance for people who push progress to ahead;-)
File sharing of copyrighted material is immoral and illegal. That is real terrorism!
However I still think that copyright laws have to be changed in order to reflect modern day realities. For examples movies or songs older than 30+ years might go into public domain by default.
Also very, very often authors of scientific/technical books themselves copy materials of other authors and books and change text a little bit and then sell that under new name. This is very common practice in mathematics, physics, electronics engineering, computer science... In many cases the essence of the material is something one can find in books 30 years old but the author even having PhD does not offer any original text but simply rephrases texts from other authors.
I am NOT saying that a PhD author writing a book on a computer science subject should or must necessarily offer any new original ideas on subjects which are elaborated decades ago but I am simply pointing to the fact that there are too many books on ideas/concepts/principles which had been described and elaborated decades ago and that the authors of the new books simply "steal" these ideas/concepts and very often by even literally copying texts.
Therefore new copyright laws have to reflect this fact too.
I think that the laws should also differ between materials. Should we treat scientific/educational materials the same way as entertainment ones? Or should we treat books 30 years old the same way as the new ones? All this has to be very seriously considered.
Meanwhile until we change the laws existing ones have to be obeyed! As far as I am concerned file sharing of the copyright protected material is not only illegal but also very, very immoral! I even consider it act of TERRORISM since the devastation effects of these immoral activities can be very serious on modern day economies!
I also think that in parallel to the changes of the copyright laws we have to consider anti-trust laws.
What should we do with the de facto standards in some important software products like operating systems? Some companies hold monopolistic positions on the market by refusing to open all the SW interfaces and thus allowing competition. Can/should a SW company "own" a de facto interface? I think not!
Just like it is immoral to steal copyrighted Microsoft products by file sharing I also think it is immoral for Microsoft to own all the interfaces and specifications important for developing third party OS products compatible with the Widows API.
Even more - some products are becoming too complex but companies refuse to split them by opening/standardizing/specifying the internal interfaces in order to keep their monopolistic positions.
Therefore even some internal (!) interfaces of some products which are de facto standards in my view should be opened and become international (ISO) standards. Copyright laws have to reflect these facts too...
If used on non copyrighted material file sharing is an excellent concept of space/time distributed system for distribution of material.
However file haring is also a weapon of mass economic destruction which plays the role of the Sword of Damocles -> it is a constant threat and a reminder to all the players on the international intellectual property markets that we all have to play fair.
File sharing can't be equated to "terrorism", no matter how you construe and misinterpret the definitions.
That's all I wanted to say. I tend to agree with you :P File sharing of copyrighted material without the artist's (read : artist's, not middleman's) consent is morally wrong.
artist dont lose money, the big companies do. the file sharing just bypasses the producers and middle men. you can make a record in your own own with a small investment for acoustics. computer software and file sharing... get smart and play the new game is what i have to say to all artist out there.
I like filesharing because it's easy to do and free, simple as that. I may refrain from doing this if prices for movies, music and games were drastically lowered.
nope. that was more on the ussr, stealing was an easier* way to get more stuff than somebody else, advance or be a stupid thug, a communism thing, dont diss russia by calling it a "pirate country" because it is not.
opAir01 good point , we share books at libraries, should everyone have to buy the book, or can we share a book? its only STEALING if your SELLING IT!!!
if im not selling it, or packaging it, its called SHARING, i am allowed to SHARE the noise i hear with anyone i like, its called freedom,, next they want to charge you for every time you listen to a track,, a REAL artist wants their art to get out to as many people as possible, the money whores just wanna sit around n collect royalties from ceo's
thx for the backup,, hopefully they will forget trying to stop us sharing and stop wasting time and money,, i wonder how much they spend on trying to stop filesharing? sharing hurts the bigwigs not the artists,,, just the way i like it hehe
and then there are people like me that are just barely paying for their internet .... never mind having entertainment such as games and movies >.> so i just "steal" it
And don't bother about stealing, consider you are just evaluating for free.
Hell, if you can, do it. If you can't just don't bother. What's the whole idea about "stealing"? They should learn to protect their products or they can just shut up.
Let's face it, the majority of shit people download they don't like enough to bother paying for anyways. If it wasn't available for free online it's not like they would go to the store and buy it. So how is anyone losing money?
So we are supposed to feel sorry for these studios and artists that are making millions of dollars singing songs and acting? Or the middle men? If we are going to talk IP theft, lets talk about all the reverse engineering of products that is going on in the third world.
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ussr russia use 2 american computers,,,
russia always copy / steal / some shares from america online,,,
russia is the higher rates of hackers / scammers
bestamerica 1 year ago
Just the governments slowly taking over the internet and real life.
kamau329 1 year ago
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If I copy the Monalisa you would say I was Stealing the Monalisa would you ?
Software should be free, and I am a support of the free , and open source software movement ... Like Linux Mint , or Linux Ubuntu for example a free operating system that have almost now viruses unlike Windows...
maw88ify 1 year ago
Seeding right now for all the whiners out there.
a4d2d0 1 year ago 4
These are the same people who get on cribs and say hey look what your money bought me. The way taxes are and other legal scams go about getting money from us karma must him them some how
felion4 1 year ago
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Tralivali89 2 years ago
Why pirates can sell their products at reasonable price and ear money? If all these recording studios had 'resonable price', I'm sure people would buy their products. Of course it's cheaper to download from torrent, it's free...
NeMetov 2 years ago
I agree :) Some people can't afford it. When inflation occurs no one will be able to afford it unless wages rise. They take away torrent sites and I imagine there will be alot of angry internet users.
chaosflar3 2 years ago
@chaosflar3 there are other ways to share files if torrents go down somthing will fill the gap immediatly lol i wouldnt worry about shit
KGBDemon 1 year ago
@KGBDemon No worries, I'm cool. Was just saying, if they think taking away free files/information will help, it will literally crash the market. At this point mostly no one can possibly even begin to afford paying full out price for everything they like. I bet when most people bought an MP3 player they downloaded the music they used for free, unless you got into the Itunes thing when that started up and paid per song . I'm not a pay and play fan, for me easier is better = No CC
chaosflar3 1 year ago
FFI
free flow of information
RmanDC 2 years ago
you bet money money information should be free I'm sure they are still making money if you want a song you can record it off the radio stop letting them control and take your rights with music they can make thier money doing concerts hollywood will be disappearing computers are going to take that over you won't need real people! so leave the internet alone
monoxygen2012 2 years ago
Nine Inch Nails did that. They put their music on the internet for free than charged a little more per ticket for their sold out shows. A very good idea in my opinion that way a band could take alot more of the profit and get rid of the corporate/overseeing costs.
chaosflar3 2 years ago
Torrents FTW! Quick everyone! Party-up! Screw the firms!
maugustyniak 2 years ago 5
I love me some torrents!!!!
muhls 2 years ago 2
If it weren't for file sharing the prices of cd's, dvd's, ect... would be huge. So to compete they keep the prices lower.
slobknoblin 2 years ago 2
Stealing is stealing. If someone produces and publishes something for sale then that is their right as no one is forced to buy it.
If they publish it for free or donations then that is their right also.
Try writing a song or painting a picture etc to find that someone has ripped it off and then see how you feel.
LordHewing 2 years ago
Actually IP theft of other ideas/inventions and reverse engineering is huge now due to all the factories in 3rd worlds now. You can get counterfeit iphones, handbags, just about everything.
ExposeZionistCrimes 2 years ago
They need to have more share ware Anyway!!!! No more virus CDs PLEASE!!!! Oh and i'm still waiting for my demo CD in the mail!
seenote0 2 years ago
Most private torrent trackers guard against viruses. If they find out you uploaded a virus, they'll hack into your computer and mess it up.
InMooseWeTrust 2 years ago
Not if you buy one from walmart! I'm noticing the video games I'm buying are coming with lots of bugs and viruses.. that slow the game down..one game developer even went as far as to stop me from using the SDK for map editing. Why stop others from learning! Its not fair!
seenote0 2 years ago
well i am avere that illegal file sharing damages people who make music, films and so on, but if we look at people whose music and films we "share" we will see that they have billions of dollars, and although i appreciate their effort on making their products i think they are overpaid and that their products are overpriced!!!
I ask you when will you earn a 1.000.000 dollars and will that happen in your lifetime even if you live in wealthier counties? And yet they earn 20.000.000 per film!!!
kalu19991 2 years ago 2
>Matter of Torrents: Stealing or Sharing?
Sharing of stolen. :-)
Nitrorus 2 years ago
u expect me not to torrent? when i buy a dvd i have to sit throo fbi warnings and boring unskippable preveiws......but when i torrent a movie it starts instantly....so even if dvds wer free.....i would still torrent
drag00n77 2 years ago 2
huh, so biggest problem:-)) however, it's interested moment: the World companies force own copyright to be more weighty than human privacy:-) moreover, those companies have legal means to steal "New Waves" with Nobel prize -- it's really miserable pittance for people who push progress to ahead;-)
SarK0Y 2 years ago
File sharing of copyrighted material is immoral and illegal. That is real terrorism!
However I still think that copyright laws have to be changed in order to reflect modern day realities. For examples movies or songs older than 30+ years might go into public domain by default.
Igor707 2 years ago
Also very, very often authors of scientific/technical books themselves copy materials of other authors and books and change text a little bit and then sell that under new name. This is very common practice in mathematics, physics, electronics engineering, computer science... In many cases the essence of the material is something one can find in books 30 years old but the author even having PhD does not offer any original text but simply rephrases texts from other authors.
Igor707 2 years ago
I am NOT saying that a PhD author writing a book on a computer science subject should or must necessarily offer any new original ideas on subjects which are elaborated decades ago but I am simply pointing to the fact that there are too many books on ideas/concepts/principles which had been described and elaborated decades ago and that the authors of the new books simply "steal" these ideas/concepts and very often by even literally copying texts.
Igor707 2 years ago
Therefore new copyright laws have to reflect this fact too.
I think that the laws should also differ between materials. Should we treat scientific/educational materials the same way as entertainment ones? Or should we treat books 30 years old the same way as the new ones? All this has to be very seriously considered.
Igor707 2 years ago
Meanwhile until we change the laws existing ones have to be obeyed! As far as I am concerned file sharing of the copyright protected material is not only illegal but also very, very immoral! I even consider it act of TERRORISM since the devastation effects of these immoral activities can be very serious on modern day economies!
Igor707 2 years ago
I also think that in parallel to the changes of the copyright laws we have to consider anti-trust laws.
What should we do with the de facto standards in some important software products like operating systems? Some companies hold monopolistic positions on the market by refusing to open all the SW interfaces and thus allowing competition. Can/should a SW company "own" a de facto interface? I think not!
Igor707 2 years ago
Just like it is immoral to steal copyrighted Microsoft products by file sharing I also think it is immoral for Microsoft to own all the interfaces and specifications important for developing third party OS products compatible with the Widows API.
Igor707 2 years ago
Even more - some products are becoming too complex but companies refuse to split them by opening/standardizing/specifying the internal interfaces in order to keep their monopolistic positions.
Therefore even some internal (!) interfaces of some products which are de facto standards in my view should be opened and become international (ISO) standards. Copyright laws have to reflect these facts too...
Igor707 2 years ago
And finally conclusion:
If used on non copyrighted material file sharing is an excellent concept of space/time distributed system for distribution of material.
However file haring is also a weapon of mass economic destruction which plays the role of the Sword of Damocles -> it is a constant threat and a reminder to all the players on the international intellectual property markets that we all have to play fair.
Igor707 2 years ago
File sharing can't be equated to "terrorism", no matter how you construe and misinterpret the definitions.
That's all I wanted to say. I tend to agree with you :P File sharing of copyrighted material without the artist's (read : artist's, not middleman's) consent is morally wrong.
Dyhalto10 2 years ago
the World terrorism got to be nice idea to justify any shit:-)
SarK0Y 2 years ago
idc, il just download it if i need it, i only care if it has a virus.
fenix611 2 years ago
artist dont lose money, the big companies do. the file sharing just bypasses the producers and middle men. you can make a record in your own own with a small investment for acoustics. computer software and file sharing... get smart and play the new game is what i have to say to all artist out there.
jaymcd84 2 years ago
Torrent is the sweetest word in the language, I meant it, lol.
ComradeRama 2 years ago 4
I like filesharing because it's easy to do and free, simple as that. I may refrain from doing this if prices for movies, music and games were drastically lowered.
EvilViolencePerson 2 years ago 7
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I'll give you my TorRentZ when you take them from my cold, dead hands!
kjb86 2 years ago 2
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kjb86 2 years ago
Sharing is caring.
I'm not gonna lose any sleep over some millionaire not making his next million.
MDSingerling 2 years ago 15
SHARING IS CARING
END OF STORY
Patriot16100 2 years ago 11
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Yeah, Russia is a pirate country
XBionic1955 2 years ago
And it is very good!
ffgkbrrg 2 years ago
Then why did you put minus against by message? )
XBionic1955 2 years ago
It is not I put a minus
ffgkbrrg 2 years ago
nope. that was more on the ussr, stealing was an easier* way to get more stuff than somebody else, advance or be a stupid thug, a communism thing, dont diss russia by calling it a "pirate country" because it is not.
fenix611 2 years ago
opAir01 good point , we share books at libraries, should everyone have to buy the book, or can we share a book? its only STEALING if your SELLING IT!!!
snotechh 2 years ago 4
Strange, that it was in time when Kutcher/CIA puppet travelled in Russia to spread "twitter"/other CIA technologies in Ru-Net.
igorvasilevsky 2 years ago 6
sharing promotes sales and any artist groveling over filesharing should be boycotted... BOYCOTT ANTI-FILESHARING ARTISTS. the power is ours
snotechh 2 years ago 5
close all the libraries too if that makes sense at all ...
opAir01 2 years ago 5
lmao warm sticky love fest for the internet subscribers of RT
ShaktipatSeer 2 years ago 2
if im not selling it, or packaging it, its called SHARING, i am allowed to SHARE the noise i hear with anyone i like, its called freedom,, next they want to charge you for every time you listen to a track,, a REAL artist wants their art to get out to as many people as possible, the money whores just wanna sit around n collect royalties from ceo's
snotechh 2 years ago 5
@snotechh:
True, 110% true.
shockolanu 2 years ago 2
thx for the backup,, hopefully they will forget trying to stop us sharing and stop wasting time and money,, i wonder how much they spend on trying to stop filesharing? sharing hurts the bigwigs not the artists,,, just the way i like it hehe
snotechh 2 years ago 6
No problem. It's impossible to stop filesharing. If needed, we can do it by email, lol.
Hehehe, same way I like it too! Arts should be free, old school style. If you like an artist, you go to the concert and he makes buckets of money.
If you like a game, you want to play it online and you buy it. If you like a movie, nothing can beat cinema and you go see it 3d or stuff like that.
shockolanu 2 years ago 4
Torrents for life, downloading for life
Miskatakeable 2 years ago 4
great report but it keeps stopping and starting arrrgh ! frustrations frustrations
cujo9 2 years ago
If I like a movie enough, I will go see it at the cinema. The problem is that most of the movies today are crap and the music is retarded.
If I like a song, I will buy the entire album to have it in the highest quality.
shockolanu 2 years ago 3
and then there are people like me that are just barely paying for their internet .... never mind having entertainment such as games and movies >.> so i just "steal" it
steveo9001 2 years ago
You should steal interent too :o)
And don't bother about stealing, consider you are just evaluating for free.
Hell, if you can, do it. If you can't just don't bother. What's the whole idea about "stealing"? They should learn to protect their products or they can just shut up.
shockolanu 2 years ago
file sharing is awesome
iwontupload 2 years ago 29
u are awesome
truslayer123 2 years ago
i know ;)
iwontupload 2 years ago
LOL!!
ComradeRama 2 years ago
LOL!
ComradeRama 2 years ago
Let's face it, the majority of shit people download they don't like enough to bother paying for anyways. If it wasn't available for free online it's not like they would go to the store and buy it. So how is anyone losing money?
bandaidmafia 2 years ago 7
I don't know why we can't just share the Entire world together is it that much of a burden for people to share?
Do we have to own so much junk, so much crap, so many things, land, digital things?
Why the Ownership?
This world would be 1000's of times better if we just shared everything, and everyone could live like a king.
bigsteelguy 2 years ago 11
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ya, lets share everything.
lets share your wife so everyone could live like a king.
watchyourst3p 2 years ago
I'm not Married and that is on a whole another subject. PEOPLE ARE NOT PROPERTY
You don't own a wife.
bigsteelguy 2 years ago 8
A wife isn't a possession you fucking idiot, a wife is a human.
LTBL88 2 years ago 7
@watchyourst3p lets not share your idiocy and live like imbeciles
psilocyberspaceman 2 years ago 2
Replication and Duplication will get so big that it will happen with 3d objects as well.
The way of Consumerism is coming to an End
It's not the End of the World it's the End of Consumerism and shopping
Be prepared for massive changes 2010,2011, 2012, 2013
bigsteelguy 2 years ago 3
@bigsteelguy couldnt have said it better
Solji119 2 years ago
So simple and so true, but most people just can't wrap their head around a concept like that.
LTBL88 2 years ago
So we are supposed to feel sorry for these studios and artists that are making millions of dollars singing songs and acting? Or the middle men? If we are going to talk IP theft, lets talk about all the reverse engineering of products that is going on in the third world.
ExposeZionistCrimes 2 years ago
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muhls 2 years ago
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Well its the record companies losing the money....artisits make thier money on tours and ticket sales....
I say fuck the record companies.
Share music
Buy concert tickets =)
muhls 2 years ago
its not sharing its just ripping off, 99% of users wouldn't buy shit if sharing didn't exist
momo1tm 2 years ago
Cant and wont stop sharing.....ever.
majikspell1 2 years ago 23
WORD
muhls 2 years ago