i just can belive it, do you imagine you in that situation??? i just... cant imagine myselve in that airplane, i cant belibe people like those hijackers could make, withouth words...
People care more about pointing out who's wrong than about saving the helpless... how sad... Shame on the conspiracy theorists, shame on the anti-Islam thinkers, and and shame on the pro-Jihadists. Stop bickering like spoiled children and save a life. Maybe then you will have the maturity to judge the value of human life.
shame on anti islam? islam is a twisted ideology that is purely evil and satanic, and the only life it values is muslims, us infidels are to be 'beheaded and have terror struck into us' its all in the toilet roll that is the koran
It's not Islam, Afghanistan, Pakistan, or Iran...It's terrorist groups that are in these countries. Do not blame the innocent people that live there trying to make a life for themselves.
Also, leave God out of this. He has obviously no power over the earthly devils that planned 911. Yet, the same jerks are using God's name to 'bring peace and democracy' to the rest of the world. Before we in turn will be knocking on heaven's gate, we'll know their names. Trust me.
Radical, Bloodthirsty, Islamic Radicals committed ALL the acts of savagery on 9-11. Americans committed the honorable acts of bravery and self-sacrifice. The rest of you idiots .. terrorist sympathizers to 9-11 conspiracy fanatics, need to re-examine human history and ALL the facts. Get a brain.
Wait a minute...."God...obviously has no power"??!! Isn't this an oxymoron? Anyway, organized religion as a whole has been a large factor in mass murder since the beginning of time. The middle east has a larger problem with it than others. But it is a worldwide problem.
As for Fl 93, if 911 was an enormous staged government operation to get support for invading Iraq, then after the horror of the twin towers collapsing, how did shooting down a plane in rural Pennsylvania contribute anything? The horror wasn't great enough without it? Not only is a shootdown of Fl 93 implausible & ridiculous, there's no evidence of it.
LOL, that's just it, everyone's saying it was staged! IMO, nothing was staged. The gov't did know it was going to happen. They intentionally let it happen so they could have an excuse to go and fight in Iraq. There's no other plausible explanation as to why more wasn't done to eradicate the threat pre-9/11
Five years after the attack and not a single civil engineer (structural, construction or otherwise), mechanical / materials engineer with a background in construction methods or materials, forensic engineer, fire engineer, demolition expert, construction expert or metallurgist has questioned the collapse theory or NIST's findings. (Continued below)
(Continued from above) The best the conspiracist camp can claim is a former physics professor whose specialty is solar energy (Steven. Jones) and a mechanical engineer whose specialty is dental fillings and bio-materials (Judy Wood). Get a single qualified expert from anywhere in the world to back controlled demo theories and perhaps rational people will take them more seriously.
OMG. Poey, my friend: Would u be at least so kind to respect truthseekers' efforts? Try calling Mr. Olmsted and tell him he has spent his FOIA money (not a cheap undertaking)to obtain a FAKE, partial passenger list. Also, if you have READ Olmsted's page, you would have noticed he's FOIA was for Flight 77 - not AA11.
Try to respect yourself, in fact. Some responses make you look plain stupid.
Olmsted himself linked to the CNN site, not me. He claimed it was a manifest but it isn't. I don't have the heart to tell Olmsted how wrong he is, especially after all the work he put into filing a FOIA request (It's no big deal to file one). The AA11 one was the first one I found, but I assume it serves its purpose, since your claim was that the Arab "kids" didn't show up on the passenger lists (plural).
Olmsted has a link to the CNN site just to show how his curiosity was aroused. The FOIA was sent to the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology (AFIP), which responded with a list that contained no arabs but which included 3(American) names never included before in any list.
Wow, it's evidence of a nefarious plot. They planned the whole attack and demolition and then - oops! - forgot to include the hijackers on the list sent to a FOIA requester. Doh!
Man simonshack, you must be afraid of your shadow.
The number of cock-ups of this PSY OP get revealed with time - and patient investigating - just as with all other PSY OPS throughout history.
I dont' believe in perfect crimes, nor do I believe that the perpetrators have moles in every single US institution. The AFIP claims that the only passenger body that they were not able to identify is a toddler, Dana Falkenberg. No trace of 5 arabs.
No hijackers are missing. No one made a mistake by not including the names on passenger lists. You're trying to invent evidence where there is none. But you're right that DNA analysis matched all the passengers except Dana Falkenberg. Do you know the real reason the hijackers did not show up in the DNA analysis or do you think it's part of a government conspiracy?
Aah. You couldn't be more graphic. You should ghost-write for Tom Clancy. You've got fantasy and talent.
'Who says the hijackers weren't on passenger lists? '
WHO SAYS THEY WERE ?
Poey darling, I'm going to give u another link to FACTS - which, ideally, should be the only things we should debate. But promise me, do your homework. Get THE FACTS.
What CT'ers fail to realize (or know & are being dishonest about) is that many media outlets only printed partial lists, obviously because hijackers are not passengers. Olmstead's list is one of those partial lists. Here's a complete manifest from the Boston Globe for AA11: w w w*boston*com (slash) news (slash) packages (slash) underattack (slash) news (slash) aa_flight_11_mainifest_popup.htm
Thanks Nick. You may wonder what motivates me to tackle Poey for so long, as it seems to lead to nowhere. Let's say I'm doing this to keep my mind fit. I do concentrate my research on facts and keep at safe distance wacky CT theories. What strikes me today, 5and a half years on, is how ludicrously wacky the official story has become. I'm fascinated by folks still believing in it, and humanely concerned by their irrational self-confinement in a limbo of denial.
All this shit I see around now just makes me HOPE that all this was an inside job, and that the ppl in charge of this worlds superpower arent so Amazingly incompetant as they're claiming to be,
They just are fucking up so often that its ridiculous
Well-it looks like this whole 911 scam is working out Great for the US govt. Judging by the 'Fuck Islam' comments, they sure are getting the desired effect, which is the demonisation of Islam and Arabs. Think about this-What has any Muslim ever done 2 You personally? I bet the answer is NOTHING. Yet u hate them. Why? Even if 911 WASNT an inside job-Islam had nothing to do with the 'hijackers' motivation
Hey, 'Sicknick'. You seem to be one of the healthier blogger's on this forum. I salute you. I'll be in Sydney in a few months time - can't wait to check out your beautiful(so I'm told) country.
Yes, mainstream Islam does not preach violence. But some people have bastardized and misinterpeted Islam to justify terrorist attacks. 911 wasn't the only case, just the most dramatic one.
Then again, he's one of 50 'romantic' Americans still believing the outrageous theory of 19 arab kids with pocket knives entering 4 Jumbos (without being recorded on the passenger lists) and flying straight into 3 out of 4 targets undisturbed by the allmighty US air force !
Have you seen what a boxcutter does to a box? Imagine what it can do to a throat. Plus they had pepper spray and claimed to have bombs. I'm sure it was just an oversight on your part not to mention that, right? Who says the hijackers weren't on passenger lists? Check the FAA-ground control-NORAD transcripts to see how "mighty" the coordination & communication was.
Boxcutters arent THAT strong-They snap off in little sections 2 keep them sharp so wdnt be the best tool 4 slicing a throat.Not that I...ah..Know (much about slicing throats)
You are wrong.WTF do you think a jihad is? Kill all non believers in the name of Allah. We get these imams here in Britain spouting there filth, then ooo.. suprise, suprise the bastards bomb London. Personally i think there is something fundamentally wrong with the muslim mindset. They think nothing of cutting peoples heads off in public for fucks sake. Call me a fascist or whatever, i dont care.
3. 2 reporters have asked him in every possible way. He referred them to the FBI and said he had nothing to show them. He was livid - THEY doubt his credibility.
Sorry, got carried away/became rude : YOU are not irrelevant. Alas, you are sadly and dangerously relevant.
But if the 12 witnesses that saw the white plane (with concurring details such as odd rear wing flaps)are irrelevant, as u say, then the people who claimed seeing 'a large passenger plane' hitting the Pentagon are irrelevant too.
The FBI hangs on - with their teeth- to the dozens of videos they claim to have. Why would they do that, Mr. Poet Sleuth?
Sure, there were reports of a white plane in the area. So what? Of course, it's nonsensical to trade relevancies between different events and witnesses. Without you saying it, I already know you think the Pentagon witnesses were lying or paid off or nonexistent or mistaken or whatever. Which FBI videos are you referring to?
September 9, 2005: Special Agent Jacqueline Maguire of the FBI's Counterterrorism Division files a DECLARATION describing her search for records responsive to Bingham's FOIA request. Maguire admits to determining that 85 videotapes in the FBI's possession are "potentially responsive" the request, that she personally viewed 29 of the tapes, and that she located only one videotape that showed the impact of Flight 77 into the Pentagon.
Sept 26, 2005: Hodes files a request seeking "copies of 85 videotapes in the possession of the FBI described in the declaration of Special Agent Jacqueline Maguire."
Oct 20, 2005: The DOJ sends a letter to Hodes claiming that the requested material is exempt.
Oct24, 2005: Hodes appeals the DOJ's claim that its material is exempt.
The nerveracking battle with the FBI to obtain more videos is fully documented here :
simonshack, thanks for the reference. You guys usually don't have them. It's not clear if the tapes are the Citgo and Doubletree tapes, which ended up not being evidence of anything one way or another. Are there really other videos that show something more clearly? If there is, I agree they should be released, but it's not clear if they exist.
You're welcome. But what good is it to painstakingly submit references to folks who don't read them?
Poetryhound : are you fluent in english? Can you read this? :
THE FBI HAS PRODUCED WRITTEN DOCUMENTATION THAT THEY HAVE 85 (EIGHTYFIVE) VIDEO TAPES RESPONSIVE TO A FOIA (FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT)DEMANDING THEIR RELEASE.
I guess your only function on these forums is to waste truth-seekers' time.
Why is it that conspiracy theorists find it necessary to throw out insults at anyone who doesn't agree with them? I saw the word "responsive" but I don't know that that means there were 85 videos that showed the plane (or whatever it was) hitting the Pentagon. Doesn't sound like it. It's not clear that there are additional tapes that show the impact. It's a good thing we don't have to rely on those videos to know that Fl 77 hit the Pentagon.
Too bad sarcasm doesn't make you right. Can we be sure that there were 85 tapes showing the impact/explosion at the Pentagon? Of course not! But if you are desperate for evidence of no plane, you can simply jump to the conclusion that they do show the explosion/impact. At this point, those tapes are not evidence of anything except a resistance to release them.
The post 911 history is riddled with resistance, resistance to launch an inquiry (441 days!-then a partisan, farcical inquiry), resistance to disclose documentation, black boxes, recordings, etc. And blatant lies. Before and after the event. Lies by the administration, lies by Norad, lies to justify war, etc. I'm not jumping to conclusions,Poey. I'm gathering information.
So because Bush lied about WMD and lied about other things, that automatically means the 85 tapes show the explosion/impact at the Pentagon. Hmmmm...sorry, but that logic is faulty. But try this out: Maybe there aren't 85 tapes at all. After all, we only know about them because a certain agency said they existed: the FBI. Do you trust the FBI. (Maybe just this once you do because it comports with your preexisting conspiracy theory. But everything else they say is a lie, right?)
You're teasing me for trusting the FBI? Are you not the one who believes every single word of the FBI and now, on this lone occasion, imply that they might have invented the existence of 85 surveillance tapes?
simonshack, I'm chiding you for saying the government can't be trusted except when you say they can, i.e., when they say something you think helps your case. If the FBI were involved in a coverup, it would be very stupid for them to reveal that they had 85 tapes that might be relevant. No, again, your logic is faulty.
How often do Jumboplanes fly coast to coast with 33 passengers on board?
If anyone has got any statistics on that I'd be grateful for a kind reply.
Anyone eager to throw the usual hate-mail (wacko-tinfoil-hat-commie-nutcase and the like) is kindly asked to go to the fridge instead and have a nice hamburger.
What are all u people getting so upset over.This never happened-Its simply a propaganda video used 2 push the govt story. We all know that no plane crashed in Shanksville as NO SINGLE Part of Human remains were found-The coroner on the scene has stated this himself
"SickNick," you've got it wrong. "We all know" that your claims are false. You obviously think Coroner Wallace Miller is credible or you wouldn't have mentioned him. Well, he talked about finding human remains over a 70 acre area and of DNA analysis matching it to FL 93 passengers. So much for your coroner claim.
Did u say SEVENTY acres?? well in that case the plane was obviously shot down-(and even that would probably not cause such widespread wreckage-unless it was Blown 2 smitherines at a VERY High altitude)-There is No way in HELL that a plane crash would spread wreckage-and let alone Body parts over Such a Massive area. Come on PH-didnt u realise how ridiculous that sounded when u typed it?
What's so big about 70 acres, Mr. Expert Crash Site Investigator? There are 640 of them in a square mile. Crashes can spread debris over an area much larger than that. If Fl 93 were shot down, body parts & wreckage would be spread out over an area measured in miles, not acres. For example, the PanAm flight blown up over Lockerbie spread debris over an 81 mile area. 70 acres is actually evidence the plane was NOT shot down.
An arab passport and an arabic bandana were allegedly found at the crash site. These items were produced BY THE FBI at the Moussaoui trial.
It is time to stop talking BS. What I mention above is a FACT. Pleae tell us, Mr. Expert Sleuth Poetryhound, how these items survived the type of crash you describe.
Many personal effects were found on the streets before and after the collapse. dozens of wedding bands, wallets, security passes, car keys, credit cards, drivers licenses, paper currency, personal photos and more - many from people within the bldg & from people on the planes. Also US mail discovered to be intransit to LA. With everything found I have no problem believing the passport & bandana were infact found.
In fact, you have no problem believing anything of what the mainstream media feeds you. Good for you.
You must be such a lovable, gullible, 'me worry?' kind of person. When the truth is told (our lifespan permitting), I'll throw a party just for u, dear Poetryhound. You'll get drunk for the very first time of your life - & the drinks will be on me.
Oh man!-Have u seen the PHOTO of that bandana??-It is just RIDICULOUS!!!-It is in PRISTINE condition!-No scorch marks or scuffs-It looks Brand NEW! This is after a plane crash, Fireball and building collapsing on it.Those terrorists sure make their bandanas tough!
What's so big about 70 acres, Mr. Expert Crash Site Investigator? There are 640 of them in a square mile. Crashes can spread debris over an area much larger than that. If Fl 93 were shot down, body parts & wreckage would be spread out over an area measured in miles, not acres. For example, the PanAm flight blown up over Lockerbie spread debris over an 81 mile area. 70 acres is actually evidence the plane was NOT shot down.
The man was equally rude, obnoxious and uncollaborative with another reporter, Devvy Kidd, who drove all the way to Shanksville to speak with locals.
Knowing u, dear PH, you'll retort that 'Wally must be fed up with conspiracy wackos questioning him'. I just know you'd respond this way, so please don't.
Uh oh, he was rude. More rude than Alex Jones? I would say that he's probably sick of being badgered by all you conspiracy theorists, but since you asked me not to say that I won't.
"In my mind, there is absolutely no question that Flight 93 crashed where the official crash site is marked."
Then :
"Few times in my life have I ever been treated so rudely by a perfect stranger in a business environment. Miller's attitude and speech was belligerent."
She seems like she definitely is a "CT wacko." She very well could have questioned him in an insulting manner and he responded appropriately. But since I wasn't there (and neither were you), we don't really know what their interaction was like, do we? Again, do you think he was more rude than Alex Jones yelling at people with his bullhorn?
PH-Have u seen the photos of the Plane fuselage 'Apparently' found at ground zero of the WTC?-It is a HUGE Chunk of plane with at least 4 visable windows. If u havent seen it let me know and I'll find u the link. But as a fireman said'We found nothing larger than a telephone keypad', how could a piece of Plane That big be found amomgst a building that was Pulverised 2 Dust?
Well-I just heard a fireman interviewed who said that. I have also seen some pretty bogus-looking photos of larger stuff that I dont Think COULD Have been found-Have u seen the pic of that huge chunk of aeroplane allegedly found in the rubble?
SickNick69, I've seen several larger chunks of airplane. What I can't figure out is why conspiracy theorists scoff at the lack of larger pieces at the Pentagon & Shanksville (There were a few larger pieces at those sites) and then scoff at the larger pieces at Ground Zero. As if they could possibly say what size the pieces SHOULD be. Why do people fancy themselves instant crash site investigation experts?
Funny u should focus you're annoyance on Alex Jones :
I can't bear him either.
Funny... he's one of the few conservatives on the CT bandwagon. Guess I have an irrational gut repulsion against conservative DNA? Should I get a shrink?
Islam ... the religion of peace ... what a joke ... islam is a false religion and is the work of the devil. Islam is evil, as we see here, in this movie.
If only everyone was like you, there would be world peace
webovisionca 4 years ago
wasnt haznawi the guy with the bomb??? i could be wrong
TheeeeBOBSAGET 4 years ago 3
he is
boeingman787 4 years ago
i just can belive it, do you imagine you in that situation??? i just... cant imagine myselve in that airplane, i cant belibe people like those hijackers could make, withouth words...
philipigno 4 years ago
People care more about pointing out who's wrong than about saving the helpless... how sad... Shame on the conspiracy theorists, shame on the anti-Islam thinkers, and and shame on the pro-Jihadists. Stop bickering like spoiled children and save a life. Maybe then you will have the maturity to judge the value of human life.
gatotsu911 4 years ago
Wake up! The people on this flight DID JUST THAT! They gave their lives to save others!
queensattorney 4 years ago
I'm not debating that.
gatotsu911 4 years ago
shame on anti islam? islam is a twisted ideology that is purely evil and satanic, and the only life it values is muslims, us infidels are to be 'beheaded and have terror struck into us' its all in the toilet roll that is the koran
celticfc4eva 4 years ago
It's not Islam, Afghanistan, Pakistan, or Iran...It's terrorist groups that are in these countries. Do not blame the innocent people that live there trying to make a life for themselves.
AmandaF0001 4 years ago 2
Also, leave God out of this. He has obviously no power over the earthly devils that planned 911. Yet, the same jerks are using God's name to 'bring peace and democracy' to the rest of the world. Before we in turn will be knocking on heaven's gate, we'll know their names. Trust me.
simonshack 5 years ago
Radical, Bloodthirsty, Islamic Radicals committed ALL the acts of savagery on 9-11. Americans committed the honorable acts of bravery and self-sacrifice. The rest of you idiots .. terrorist sympathizers to 9-11 conspiracy fanatics, need to re-examine human history and ALL the facts. Get a brain.
queensattorney 4 years ago
I have a brain. I think we all have. My advice to you is : use it.
simonshack 4 years ago
Americans are NOT the "same jerks" as the 9-11 perps. You're twisted.
queensattorney 4 years ago
Wait a minute...."God...obviously has no power"??!! Isn't this an oxymoron? Anyway, organized religion as a whole has been a large factor in mass murder since the beginning of time. The middle east has a larger problem with it than others. But it is a worldwide problem.
stillirise83 4 years ago
As for Fl 93, if 911 was an enormous staged government operation to get support for invading Iraq, then after the horror of the twin towers collapsing, how did shooting down a plane in rural Pennsylvania contribute anything? The horror wasn't great enough without it? Not only is a shootdown of Fl 93 implausible & ridiculous, there's no evidence of it.
PoetryHound 5 years ago
Amen.
simonshack 5 years ago
LOL, that's just it, everyone's saying it was staged! IMO, nothing was staged. The gov't did know it was going to happen. They intentionally let it happen so they could have an excuse to go and fight in Iraq. There's no other plausible explanation as to why more wasn't done to eradicate the threat pre-9/11
stillirise83 4 years ago
I warmly suggest you to check out the September Clues video series (part 1 to 4) on Livevideo.
simonshack 4 years ago
If Bush is so stupid, how could he have thought that fast?
MrTreason 4 years ago
Five years after the attack and not a single civil engineer (structural, construction or otherwise), mechanical / materials engineer with a background in construction methods or materials, forensic engineer, fire engineer, demolition expert, construction expert or metallurgist has questioned the collapse theory or NIST's findings. (Continued below)
PoetryHound 5 years ago
(Continued from above) The best the conspiracist camp can claim is a former physics professor whose specialty is solar energy (Steven. Jones) and a mechanical engineer whose specialty is dental fillings and bio-materials (Judy Wood). Get a single qualified expert from anywhere in the world to back controlled demo theories and perhaps rational people will take them more seriously.
PoetryHound 5 years ago
Allah ah-kabarr
ronninganda 5 years ago
OMG. Poey, my friend: Would u be at least so kind to respect truthseekers' efforts? Try calling Mr. Olmsted and tell him he has spent his FOIA money (not a cheap undertaking)to obtain a FAKE, partial passenger list. Also, if you have READ Olmsted's page, you would have noticed he's FOIA was for Flight 77 - not AA11.
Try to respect yourself, in fact. Some responses make you look plain stupid.
simonshack 5 years ago
Olmsted himself linked to the CNN site, not me. He claimed it was a manifest but it isn't. I don't have the heart to tell Olmsted how wrong he is, especially after all the work he put into filing a FOIA request (It's no big deal to file one). The AA11 one was the first one I found, but I assume it serves its purpose, since your claim was that the Arab "kids" didn't show up on the passenger lists (plural).
PoetryHound 5 years ago
Olmsted has a link to the CNN site just to show how his curiosity was aroused. The FOIA was sent to the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology (AFIP), which responded with a list that contained no arabs but which included 3(American) names never included before in any list.
But, of course, this is of no significance to u.
simonshack 5 years ago
Wow, it's evidence of a nefarious plot. They planned the whole attack and demolition and then - oops! - forgot to include the hijackers on the list sent to a FOIA requester. Doh!
Man simonshack, you must be afraid of your shadow.
PoetryHound 5 years ago
Too bad sarcasm doesn't make you right, Poey.
The arab names on AFIP's list ARE STILL MISSING.
The number of cock-ups of this PSY OP get revealed with time - and patient investigating - just as with all other PSY OPS throughout history.
I dont' believe in perfect crimes, nor do I believe that the perpetrators have moles in every single US institution. The AFIP claims that the only passenger body that they were not able to identify is a toddler, Dana Falkenberg. No trace of 5 arabs.
simonshack 5 years ago
No hijackers are missing. No one made a mistake by not including the names on passenger lists. You're trying to invent evidence where there is none. But you're right that DNA analysis matched all the passengers except Dana Falkenberg. Do you know the real reason the hijackers did not show up in the DNA analysis or do you think it's part of a government conspiracy?
PoetryHound 5 years ago
I just love the line :
'Have you seen what a boxcutter does to a box? '
Aah. You couldn't be more graphic. You should ghost-write for Tom Clancy. You've got fantasy and talent.
'Who says the hijackers weren't on passenger lists? '
WHO SAYS THEY WERE ?
Poey darling, I'm going to give u another link to FACTS - which, ideally, should be the only things we should debate. But promise me, do your homework. Get THE FACTS.
physics911*net(SLASH)olmsted
simonshack 5 years ago
What CT'ers fail to realize (or know & are being dishonest about) is that many media outlets only printed partial lists, obviously because hijackers are not passengers. Olmstead's list is one of those partial lists. Here's a complete manifest from the Boston Globe for AA11: w w w*boston*com (slash) news (slash) packages (slash) underattack (slash) news (slash) aa_flight_11_mainifest_popup.htm
PoetryHound 5 years ago
Good work Simmo-keep it up. Im not resourceful enough to keep arguing with poey-Its just too hard and leads me nowhere but back 2 the beginning again
SickNick69 5 years ago
Thanks Nick. You may wonder what motivates me to tackle Poey for so long, as it seems to lead to nowhere. Let's say I'm doing this to keep my mind fit. I do concentrate my research on facts and keep at safe distance wacky CT theories. What strikes me today, 5and a half years on, is how ludicrously wacky the official story has become. I'm fascinated by folks still believing in it, and humanely concerned by their irrational self-confinement in a limbo of denial.
simonshack 5 years ago
All this shit I see around now just makes me HOPE that all this was an inside job, and that the ppl in charge of this worlds superpower arent so Amazingly incompetant as they're claiming to be,
They just are fucking up so often that its ridiculous
SickNick69 5 years ago
Well-it looks like this whole 911 scam is working out Great for the US govt. Judging by the 'Fuck Islam' comments, they sure are getting the desired effect, which is the demonisation of Islam and Arabs. Think about this-What has any Muslim ever done 2 You personally? I bet the answer is NOTHING. Yet u hate them. Why? Even if 911 WASNT an inside job-Islam had nothing to do with the 'hijackers' motivation
SickNick69 5 years ago
Hey, 'Sicknick'. You seem to be one of the healthier blogger's on this forum. I salute you. I'll be in Sydney in a few months time - can't wait to check out your beautiful(so I'm told) country.
Needless to say, I fully agree with u:
islam has N-O-T-H-I-N-G to do with 911.
simonshack 5 years ago
You sir, are 100% correct!
nimataghavy 5 years ago
Yes, mainstream Islam does not preach violence. But some people have bastardized and misinterpeted Islam to justify terrorist attacks. 911 wasn't the only case, just the most dramatic one.
PoetryHound 5 years ago
That is the only thing you have said that I might agree with you about.
nimataghavy 5 years ago
Thanks. Apparently Poetryhound missed the point.
Then again, he's one of 50 'romantic' Americans still believing the outrageous theory of 19 arab kids with pocket knives entering 4 Jumbos (without being recorded on the passenger lists) and flying straight into 3 out of 4 targets undisturbed by the allmighty US air force !
simonshack 5 years ago
Have you seen what a boxcutter does to a box? Imagine what it can do to a throat. Plus they had pepper spray and claimed to have bombs. I'm sure it was just an oversight on your part not to mention that, right? Who says the hijackers weren't on passenger lists? Check the FAA-ground control-NORAD transcripts to see how "mighty" the coordination & communication was.
PoetryHound 5 years ago
Boxcutters arent THAT strong-They snap off in little sections 2 keep them sharp so wdnt be the best tool 4 slicing a throat.Not that I...ah..Know (much about slicing throats)
SickNick69 5 years ago
You are wrong.WTF do you think a jihad is? Kill all non believers in the name of Allah. We get these imams here in Britain spouting there filth, then ooo.. suprise, suprise the bastards bomb London. Personally i think there is something fundamentally wrong with the muslim mindset. They think nothing of cutting peoples heads off in public for fucks sake. Call me a fascist or whatever, i dont care.
ToWeR21071982 5 years ago
We should ask ourselves :
- Does ValMcClatchey's picture of flight 93's plume of smoke look like a classic airplane crash?
- Is there any picture of any significant debris avalable of any kind of flight 93?
-Can Wally Miller produce any documentation that all passengers were identified?
- Are the descriptions of 12 SEPARATE witnesses (who saw a low-flying small white plane immediately after the crash) contradictory ?
To the best of my knowledge the answers are :
NO NO NO and NO
simonshack 5 years ago
1. It wasn't a classic plane crash.
2. There are pictures of some of the larger pieces of debris.
3. I don't know. Have you asked him? Who says he isn't credible?
4. Irrelevant.
PoetryHound 5 years ago
Oh? So :
1. It was a staged plane crash?
2. Send me the pics, asap.
3. 2 reporters have asked him in every possible way. He referred them to the FBI and said he had nothing to show them. He was livid - THEY doubt his credibility.
4. YOU are irrelevant.
simonshack 5 years ago
1. Not a "classic" crash, whatever that means
2. Look at the pics asap and claim they're fake asap
w w w*rcfp*org (slash) moussaoui/
3. Send me citations for the 2 reporters asap, especially the places where they say they doubt Miller's credibility.
4. whatever
PoetryHound 5 years ago
Sorry, got carried away/became rude : YOU are not irrelevant. Alas, you are sadly and dangerously relevant.
But if the 12 witnesses that saw the white plane (with concurring details such as odd rear wing flaps)are irrelevant, as u say, then the people who claimed seeing 'a large passenger plane' hitting the Pentagon are irrelevant too.
The FBI hangs on - with their teeth- to the dozens of videos they claim to have. Why would they do that, Mr. Poet Sleuth?
simonshack 5 years ago
Sure, there were reports of a white plane in the area. So what? Of course, it's nonsensical to trade relevancies between different events and witnesses. Without you saying it, I already know you think the Pentagon witnesses were lying or paid off or nonexistent or mistaken or whatever. Which FBI videos are you referring to?
PoetryHound 5 years ago
September 9, 2005: Special Agent Jacqueline Maguire of the FBI's Counterterrorism Division files a DECLARATION describing her search for records responsive to Bingham's FOIA request. Maguire admits to determining that 85 videotapes in the FBI's possession are "potentially responsive" the request, that she personally viewed 29 of the tapes, and that she located only one videotape that showed the impact of Flight 77 into the Pentagon.
simonshack 5 years ago
Sept 26, 2005: Hodes files a request seeking "copies of 85 videotapes in the possession of the FBI described in the declaration of Special Agent Jacqueline Maguire."
Oct 20, 2005: The DOJ sends a letter to Hodes claiming that the requested material is exempt.
Oct24, 2005: Hodes appeals the DOJ's claim that its material is exempt.
The nerveracking battle with the FBI to obtain more videos is fully documented here :
911research*wtc7*net(SLASH)pentagon(SLASH)evidence(SLASH)footage*html
simonshack 5 years ago
simonshack, thanks for the reference. You guys usually don't have them. It's not clear if the tapes are the Citgo and Doubletree tapes, which ended up not being evidence of anything one way or another. Are there really other videos that show something more clearly? If there is, I agree they should be released, but it's not clear if they exist.
PoetryHound 5 years ago
You're welcome. But what good is it to painstakingly submit references to folks who don't read them?
Poetryhound : are you fluent in english? Can you read this? :
THE FBI HAS PRODUCED WRITTEN DOCUMENTATION THAT THEY HAVE 85 (EIGHTYFIVE) VIDEO TAPES RESPONSIVE TO A FOIA (FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT)DEMANDING THEIR RELEASE.
I guess your only function on these forums is to waste truth-seekers' time.
simonshack 5 years ago
Why is it that conspiracy theorists find it necessary to throw out insults at anyone who doesn't agree with them? I saw the word "responsive" but I don't know that that means there were 85 videos that showed the plane (or whatever it was) hitting the Pentagon. Doesn't sound like it. It's not clear that there are additional tapes that show the impact. It's a good thing we don't have to rely on those videos to know that Fl 77 hit the Pentagon.
PoetryHound 5 years ago
Who writes your stuff, Poey? Ari Fleischer?
simonshack 5 years ago
Who writes yours, Alex Jones?
PoetryHound 5 years ago
Let's see. So "responsive" could mean, according to the shady and peculiar FBI jargon :
- top secret security tapes from Wal Marts in Wyoming
- top secret security tapes from Disneyworld
- top secret security tapes from Dick Cheney's bunker
(choose any of three)
Yeah. I guess they just mentioned 85 tapes that have no relation whatsoever to the Pentagon explosion.
simonshack 5 years ago
Too bad sarcasm doesn't make you right. Can we be sure that there were 85 tapes showing the impact/explosion at the Pentagon? Of course not! But if you are desperate for evidence of no plane, you can simply jump to the conclusion that they do show the explosion/impact. At this point, those tapes are not evidence of anything except a resistance to release them.
PoetryHound 5 years ago
Irony, Poey - just innocent, playful irony.
But hey, there u have it, Poey ! :
'A resistance to release them'.
The post 911 history is riddled with resistance, resistance to launch an inquiry (441 days!-then a partisan, farcical inquiry), resistance to disclose documentation, black boxes, recordings, etc. And blatant lies. Before and after the event. Lies by the administration, lies by Norad, lies to justify war, etc. I'm not jumping to conclusions,Poey. I'm gathering information.
simonshack 5 years ago
So because Bush lied about WMD and lied about other things, that automatically means the 85 tapes show the explosion/impact at the Pentagon. Hmmmm...sorry, but that logic is faulty. But try this out: Maybe there aren't 85 tapes at all. After all, we only know about them because a certain agency said they existed: the FBI. Do you trust the FBI. (Maybe just this once you do because it comports with your preexisting conspiracy theory. But everything else they say is a lie, right?)
PoetryHound 5 years ago
My logic is faulty? Yours leaves me speechless.
You're teasing me for trusting the FBI? Are you not the one who believes every single word of the FBI and now, on this lone occasion, imply that they might have invented the existence of 85 surveillance tapes?
Good Lord...
simonshack 5 years ago
simonshack, I'm chiding you for saying the government can't be trusted except when you say they can, i.e., when they say something you think helps your case. If the FBI were involved in a coverup, it would be very stupid for them to reveal that they had 85 tapes that might be relevant. No, again, your logic is faulty.
PoetryHound 5 years ago
How often do Jumboplanes fly coast to coast with 33 passengers on board?
If anyone has got any statistics on that I'd be grateful for a kind reply.
Anyone eager to throw the usual hate-mail (wacko-tinfoil-hat-commie-nutcase and the like) is kindly asked to go to the fridge instead and have a nice hamburger.
simonshack 5 years ago
I got to admit aslo, the acting of the hijackers was very good and convincing. great movie
ShiftStyle 5 years ago
were the pilots not able to hear all those noises throug the cockpit door ? I mean all passengers are screaming ! But that's my point of view.
s24434 5 years ago
Fucking arabs and their devil moon god.
VinceP1974 5 years ago
Islam sucks...Allah or whats the name of this faggat
CrAzYwBo 5 years ago
Go suck jesus's dick. Your the faggot!
nimataghavy 5 years ago
they cudn't hijack a broken kits lorry!!!
vanter6 5 years ago
What are all u people getting so upset over.This never happened-Its simply a propaganda video used 2 push the govt story. We all know that no plane crashed in Shanksville as NO SINGLE Part of Human remains were found-The coroner on the scene has stated this himself
Unless of course....they uh....Vaporised (COUGH!)
SickNick69 5 years ago
"SickNick," you've got it wrong. "We all know" that your claims are false. You obviously think Coroner Wallace Miller is credible or you wouldn't have mentioned him. Well, he talked about finding human remains over a 70 acre area and of DNA analysis matching it to FL 93 passengers. So much for your coroner claim.
PoetryHound 5 years ago
Did u say SEVENTY acres?? well in that case the plane was obviously shot down-(and even that would probably not cause such widespread wreckage-unless it was Blown 2 smitherines at a VERY High altitude)-There is No way in HELL that a plane crash would spread wreckage-and let alone Body parts over Such a Massive area. Come on PH-didnt u realise how ridiculous that sounded when u typed it?
SickNick69 5 years ago
What's so big about 70 acres, Mr. Expert Crash Site Investigator? There are 640 of them in a square mile. Crashes can spread debris over an area much larger than that. If Fl 93 were shot down, body parts & wreckage would be spread out over an area measured in miles, not acres. For example, the PanAm flight blown up over Lockerbie spread debris over an 81 mile area. 70 acres is actually evidence the plane was NOT shot down.
PoetryHound 5 years ago
An arab passport and an arabic bandana were allegedly found at the crash site. These items were produced BY THE FBI at the Moussaoui trial.
It is time to stop talking BS. What I mention above is a FACT. Pleae tell us, Mr. Expert Sleuth Poetryhound, how these items survived the type of crash you describe.
simonshack 5 years ago
Many personal effects were found on the streets before and after the collapse. dozens of wedding bands, wallets, security passes, car keys, credit cards, drivers licenses, paper currency, personal photos and more - many from people within the bldg & from people on the planes. Also US mail discovered to be intransit to LA. With everything found I have no problem believing the passport & bandana were infact found.
PoetryHound 5 years ago
In fact, you have no problem believing anything of what the mainstream media feeds you. Good for you.
You must be such a lovable, gullible, 'me worry?' kind of person. When the truth is told (our lifespan permitting), I'll throw a party just for u, dear Poetryhound. You'll get drunk for the very first time of your life - & the drinks will be on me.
simonshack 5 years ago
Oh man!-Have u seen the PHOTO of that bandana??-It is just RIDICULOUS!!!-It is in PRISTINE condition!-No scorch marks or scuffs-It looks Brand NEW! This is after a plane crash, Fireball and building collapsing on it.Those terrorists sure make their bandanas tough!
SickNick69 5 years ago
What's so big about 70 acres, Mr. Expert Crash Site Investigator? There are 640 of them in a square mile. Crashes can spread debris over an area much larger than that. If Fl 93 were shot down, body parts & wreckage would be spread out over an area measured in miles, not acres. For example, the PanAm flight blown up over Lockerbie spread debris over an 81 mile area. 70 acres is actually evidence the plane was NOT shot down.
PoetryHound 5 years ago
Care to read an 'interview' with Wally Miller?
wingtvDOTnet/thorn2006/shanksvilleDOThtml
The man was equally rude, obnoxious and uncollaborative with another reporter, Devvy Kidd, who drove all the way to Shanksville to speak with locals.
Knowing u, dear PH, you'll retort that 'Wally must be fed up with conspiracy wackos questioning him'. I just know you'd respond this way, so please don't.
simonshack 5 years ago
Uh oh, he was rude. More rude than Alex Jones? I would say that he's probably sick of being badgered by all you conspiracy theorists, but since you asked me not to say that I won't.
PoetryHound 5 years ago
Quting Devvy Kidd (NOT a CT wacko):
"In my mind, there is absolutely no question that Flight 93 crashed where the official crash site is marked."
Then :
"Few times in my life have I ever been treated so rudely by a perfect stranger in a business environment. Miller's attitude and speech was belligerent."
simonshack 5 years ago
She seems like she definitely is a "CT wacko." She very well could have questioned him in an insulting manner and he responded appropriately. But since I wasn't there (and neither were you), we don't really know what their interaction was like, do we? Again, do you think he was more rude than Alex Jones yelling at people with his bullhorn?
PoetryHound 5 years ago
PH-Have u seen the photos of the Plane fuselage 'Apparently' found at ground zero of the WTC?-It is a HUGE Chunk of plane with at least 4 visable windows. If u havent seen it let me know and I'll find u the link. But as a fireman said'We found nothing larger than a telephone keypad', how could a piece of Plane That big be found amomgst a building that was Pulverised 2 Dust?
SickNick69 5 years ago
SickNick69, quite a bit of larger stuff than a keypad was found. Why don't you know that?
PoetryHound 5 years ago
Well-I just heard a fireman interviewed who said that. I have also seen some pretty bogus-looking photos of larger stuff that I dont Think COULD Have been found-Have u seen the pic of that huge chunk of aeroplane allegedly found in the rubble?
SickNick69 5 years ago
SickNick69, I've seen several larger chunks of airplane. What I can't figure out is why conspiracy theorists scoff at the lack of larger pieces at the Pentagon & Shanksville (There were a few larger pieces at those sites) and then scoff at the larger pieces at Ground Zero. As if they could possibly say what size the pieces SHOULD be. Why do people fancy themselves instant crash site investigation experts?
PoetryHound 5 years ago
Funny u should focus you're annoyance on Alex Jones :
I can't bear him either.
Funny... he's one of the few conservatives on the CT bandwagon. Guess I have an irrational gut repulsion against conservative DNA? Should I get a shrink?
simonshack 5 years ago
Allah FUBAR!
conservaguy 5 years ago
Islam ... the religion of peace ... what a joke ... islam is a false religion and is the work of the devil. Islam is evil, as we see here, in this movie.
doc429 5 years ago
thanks for sharing
abcjoseph 5 years ago