In all of history, every time a true prophet of God appears, He is rejected. The religious leaders incite ignorant mobs to persecute Him and His followers. This is being repeated in Iran today, as well as other countries.
Religion evokes two sentiments in man: love, or hate. The tongue of the Prophet divides the faithful from the false. He tests us with His word, which is the Word of God. "This is the changeless Faith of God, eternal in the past, eternal in the future." Baha'u'llah
Bahai is a fake religion. no doubt about it. Iranian regime is wothout any doubt barbaric but this does not make bahais better muslims. i am an ex-muslim and converted christian and i do know that islamic is violant but bahai was also to the times of shah not recognized.
The Iranian leadership is violation of article 9,article 10 and article 11 of the UNDHR against the Baha'is minority.Opposition to the ruling theocracy continues to grow.
see..as Muslims..we do believe that there is no religion after Islam...HOWEVER; this same religion tells us if any1 believed and chose another religion to follow..it is forbidden 2 stop him from practicing his faith
therefore, Bahai's should have the right 2 practice their faith freely, as supposedly Iran is a Muslim country that follows Islam it should also follow the rule of respecting others, their faiths and ideas.
Aliet Your comment is very kind. If I may mention, as a Baha'i, that I truly believe in Muhammad. i was raised Christian, and I believe in Christ, Moses, etc. Baha'u'llah explains that Muhammad, the Seal of the Prophets, was the last of the 'Prophetic Cycle', from the time of Adam. He says that there is a 'Cycle of Fulfillment' now, of which He is the One foretold by the Prophets from the Prophetic Cycle, and that there is no contradiction. May Allah bless you and your family
Excellent video. These shameful actions of the Governments and religious rulers, from the beginning of the Bahai faith to now are all based on fear. And we all have it in one form or another, some more than others.
The Iranian clerics are only proving that they are no better than the people of 'Ad who persecuted Hud. They have this example before them, so they may also reap the consequences of their actions. If the Baha'i' religion be of God, they will have God to answer to! Praise God!
I agree with the comment below; the Baha'is should just leave the country they were born in. In fact, anyone who disagrees with their government, the predominant culture or way things are done should just leave their homeland. That way, all nations will consist of like-minded citizens. Can we send back all the immigrants who don't agree with UK policy too? And how much disagreement? If I prefer cheeseburgers and you like hot dogs, do I get to send you back?
In previous comment we revealed versus of Holy Qur'án and here is international view on the matter. I just want to recommend to my friend to be careful of falling into wasteful dispute. Remember if someone throws dust to sun only that person becomes blinded, nothing will happen to the sun. Also my dad use to tell me that if someone is sleep you can awaken him/her but if that person pretending he/she is sleep you are wasting your time.
This is Baháí writings from Hidden Words O SON OF DUST! Verily I say unto thee: Of all men the most negligent is he that disputeth idly and seeketh to advance himself over his brother. Say, O brethren! Let deeds, not words, be your adorning.
On 18 December 2008 United Nations General Assembly (By a vote of 69 to 54) adopted a resolution expressing deep concern at serious human rights violations in Iran. This is the 21st such resolution expressing concern over human rights in Iran since 1985 and by itself emphasizes the genuine concern for universally acknowledged human rights.
United Nations General Assembly The Resolution cited inter alia documented cases of torture; the high incidence of executions and juvenile executions without proper legal safeguards; the persecution of women seeking their human rights; discrimination against minorities and attacks on minority groups like the Bahais in state media; and the violation of a wide range of political rights (United Nations A/63/459 General Assembly 2008).
If people are being jailed solely for their religious beliefs - which they ARE - then that is the very definition of religious persecution.
Don't even bother with the "spy" argument or the "we are in Israel therefore we are Zionist" argument. As another user said, we got there before Israel was even CREATED - that area was still Palestine at the time.
Just because Dorri-Najafabadi says we're spies doesn't mean we are. That's nothing more than proof by assertion.
Qur'án reveals: "Verily, falsehood is a thing that vanisheth." (Baní Isra'il-17:83) & "If all the trees that are upon the earth were to become pens, and if God should after that swell the sea into seven seas of ink, His words would not be exhausted for God is Mighty, Wise. "(Luqman-31: 26) if Bahai Faith is not of truth it would not grow among men but if Bahai Faith is from God according to Qur'án His [Gods] words would not be exhausted. Please investigate Bahaullahs original writings
Does not history repeat-Abraham was put in fire by wealthy & powerful of His time, Moses /Jews were banished by same people. On the orders of the Sanhedrin & Caiaphas (Roman-appointed Jewish priest) Jesus Christ crucified. Then Muhammad came-In 617 the leaders of Makhzum & Banu Abd-Shams-two important Quraysh clans,-declared a public boycott against Banu Hashim, they accused Him, tried to kill Him & He was banished to Medina. Please read the Báb and Bahaullahs history & compare
And thus never before Thy time did we send a Warner to any city but its wealthy ones said: 'Verily we found our fathers with a religion, and in their tracks we tread. (Zukhruf-43:22) "So oft then as an Apostle cometh to you with that which your souls desire not, swell ye with pride, and treat some as impostors and slay others?" (Baqarah - 2:87)
Also we read in Qur'án "God chooseth Messengers from among the angels and from among men: verily God Heareth, Seeth. (Hajj-22:75) It is not up to us to argue who God makes His Messenger
To my dear Muslim friends who use Qur'án and Ahadis (quotations) as reference please read O Believers: If any bad man come to you with news, clear it up at once. lost through ignorance ye harm others" and "speedily have to repent of what you have done." (Hujurat 49:6) U must investigate yourselves, Also "But if thou obey most men in the land, from the path of God will they mislead thee" (An'am - 6:116) U cannot rely on most people believes. Please read Bahaullahs original writings
While I have absolutely nothing against the Bahai faith...
Time: 54secs - "after Islam there cannot exist a valid religion..."
Surely if you follow a certain religion, be it Islam, Christianity, Judaism or whatever - surely you follow that religion because you believe in THAT faith and not any others? If this is the case - then ALL religions must somewhere say that after their own religion there is no validity of any other religion? Please don't just focus on Islam...
But as a Baha'i we believe in after Bahaollah, there is another prophet. and himself never claimed he is the last. on the other hand, many other religions just believe in their prophet because they think their prophet will comeback. that's make a problem.
Muslims respect Mohammad and imams but praise and obey God.
Bahaiis Praise and obey Sheikh Baha-Ollah.
The way Ghoran/Quran words it is like this:
God telling Mohammad the prophet: "[18.110] Say: I am only a mortal like you; it is revealed to me that your god is one God, therefore whoever hopes to meet his Lord, he should do good deeds, and not join anyone in the service of his Lord."
I know this is only "some" Muslims, but those who get hacked off at people making a cartoon of Muhammad and then riot and kill people who had nothing to do with the cartoon, those Muslims, revere the prophet, maybe.
The extremist percentage of muslims is less than 1/100. Iran has 70,000,000 people, at least 69,000,000 Muslim. The number of regime supporters are about 5,000,000 & from those 5mil only 50,000 are extremist.
insulting Mohammad was sick.Remember when the bald girl singer ridiculed the pope on stage & how she got treated afterward? & Americans are not even religious, so just imagine what one can expect if you insult a holly prophet of a religious billion.
Copy: "Muslims respect Mohammad and imams but praise and obey God.
Bahaiis Praise and obey Sheikh Baha-Ollah"(even though they believe in God).
That means Bahaii religion does not have a book representative of the words of God, it only has a book representative of the words of Bahaollah who claimed to be a prophet. I know Bahaiis also worship God as the creator.
do you really understand what you say? Mohammad claimed he is a prophet and his book became a holy book. so that's what Bahaollah did. Also many christian won't believe in Mohammad because they think Mohammad did a false clain, same as Muslim think about Bahaollah. Read some book before commenting.h
Muhammad didn't claim he was a prophet, mohammad just was a messenger of the words he received from God. The people called him a prophet afterward.
In Bahaollah case he claimed to be the last and latest prophet! and his followers read what "HE" wrote not the messages from God he was delivering. Mohammad never wrote a book for the religion's followers to read, he was in fact illiterate until that day.
Than who are those people which call him a LAST PROPHET if he is not even a prophet. and if you really look at the dictionary, prophet mean is, MESSENGER FROM GOD, which Mohammad claimed to be. Also how do you know that Mohammad didn't say what he read before. because as you know Ghoran is a book which his followers gathered it.
I'm telling you what muslims believe. They believe Muhammad who was illiterate were given power to write, then he wrote words of God in a short time & brought to people. Bahaollah first called himself a prophet then people collected "his beliefs" as the basis of bahaii religion.
I do know about all religions.
It's a very simple matter of common-sense(which is not common at all):
ALL RELIGIONS ARE PURELY MAN-MADE. GOD NEVER TALKED TO HIS LITTLE CREATURES.GOD IS NOT HUMAN IT'S A POWER/ENERGY.
you read too much stories instead of history. in you mind, prophet should be a really poor man who is illiterate, homeless, and sometimes don't have father. so, if a normal person claim to be a prophet, then he is a liar.
Every prophet, first claimed to be a prophet then they wrote their book. otherwise you can write a book then if it looks good, then you can say I'm a prophet !!!
At the end, Man-Made religion or GOD religion, all are for people's good. but many people take advantage of it.
Abandonment of all forms of prejudice/Assurance to women of full equality of opportunity with men/Recognition of the unity and relativity of religious truth/Elimination of extremes of poverty and wealth/Realization of universal education
Responsibility of each person to independently search for truth/Establishment of a global commonwealth of nations/Recognition that true religion is in harmony with reason and the pursuit of scientific knowledge
We do not support ANY political party, and that includes the Mojahedeen. You have carried this argument ad nauseum, and I'd advise you to back it up with *proof* if you decide to pursue this argument.
Baháulláh (Founder of Baháí Faith) said, The tabernacle of unity hath been raised; regard ye not one another as strangers. Ye are the fruits of one tree, and the leaves of one branch. That all nations should become one in faith and all men as brothers; that the bonds of affection and unity between the sons of men should be strengthened; that diversity of religion should cease, and differences of race be annulled — what harm is there in this?
Bahá'u'lláh-Founder of the Bahá'í Faith, was banished from His native land Iran first to Baghdad then to Constantinople, Adrianople and finally to Acre-where He arrived as a prisoner in 1868. Today The Baháí World Centre is located in Akká and Haifa-Israel. Iranian authorities use this as an excuse to accuse Bahais of spying and persecute them. Bahais believe that humankind is one family created by God. They abstain from partisanship and so do not join political parties or factions
Time: 00:10 =[2.256] There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever disbelieves in the Shaitan and believes in Allah he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handle, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.
I looked at that document 1st there is no way to prove that it is genuine
2nd even in the document it say's its nothing more than a RECOMMENDATION
3nd they miss translated the English version for example they translated advertising to Propaganda
4th & most importantly this was in 1991 only 3 years after the Iraq war & their were a lot of Bahai's that betrayed Iran in that war & its just like how after 911 the U.S. started targeting Muslims
Give me a scintilla of proof that Baha'is spy for Israel...
What kind of spies write their names on official documents (i.e. university and job applications)?? Plus, Iran has alleged that we "finance the Israeli regime"...would you mind telling me what kind of spies finance the country they're spying for???
And finally, who are we spies for: Russia, Great Britain, Israel or the USA??
Goebellian propagandists generally can't get their story straight...keep that in mind when you answer...
And Goebellian propagandists also tend to get their facts wrong:
"1000's of Bahai's live in Iran "
Wrong, HUNDREDS of thousands of Baha'is live in Iran. (Hundreds of thousands of spies??)
"only 7 were arrested that is not religious persecution"
Wrong again. The number of arrested Baha'is is closer to 20. And over 200 killed in the past couple decades...and many many more tortured and executed since the inception of our religion.
hmmm...what major event took place around the time of the Iran Iraq war?? let me give you a clue...you can see the incarnation of the event at 01:00 in this video...(did you get it?)
No one is forcing us to stay??? My cousin has been incarcerated in Iran, and prior to that, his passport was taken away by the authorities. Think again.
So it's about numbers? So until 100 000 Baha'is are imprisoned, you'll still be denying the repression?? Where's your intellectual rigor??
Propaganda serves more to justify ourselves than to convince others; and the more reason we have to feel guilty, the more fervent our propaganda. This is the current state of affairs in Iran vis a vis the Baha'is. Any sentient human being can see that.
Give me proof that Baha'is have betrayed that government? We never supported the Mojahedeen, that's a canard.
How is it a question of national security to arrest people who write their names AND reliigous affiliation on OFFICIAL documents? Aren't spies supposed to be secretive?
You know this has nothing to do with national security; this is the same language the Nazis used when trying to exterminate the Jews.
You're probably going to change the subject now...
"do you have to mark you's self as a bahai when U go out?"
We don't need to; the government does it for us, by arresting us, by publishing Goebellian articles in the Keyhan, and by sending ignorant propagandists such as yourself to become internet trolls to further repress the Baha'is
Our "base" has been located in Israel since BEFORE it's creation, do you understand that? BEFORE it even existed. During the Ottoman Empire.
The Shi'ites in prison aren't in there because of their religious affiliation.
"the Iranian gov would even be happy to pay for your tickets"
Really? Then why are they incarcerating us? Why don't they deport us to our "base"?
Well, the Baha'is are the country's largest minority, and they're Iranians; why should they leave? We never said we don't like you, we just want to live in peace...but it's revealing that you said you don't like us; that's what this is all about; I'm glad you said it
Even Grand Ayatollah Hossein-Ali-Montazeri, one of the leaders of the Islamic Revolution, has said of the Baha'is:
"they are the citizens of this country, they have the right of citizenship and to live in this country. Furthermore, they must benefit from the Islamic compassion which is stressed in Quran and by the religious authorities".
Is he a traitor?? (I can't wait to see how you spin this one)
Why is it that you make it a laughing matter, you said before that it was wrong for that particular Iranian student who was studying Nuclear Engineering, but yet it is alright to throw Baha'i students out of their schools and Universities??
This comment has received too many negative votesshow
where were you people when Iranian Students were being prohibited from studying Nuclear Engineering in Europe???
That's my point
You are all Hypocrites
out of 200,000 bahai's only 20 are in prison that's 0.01% while in the U.S. 1 out of every 100 adults are in prison that's 1% & majority are Black's & Hispanics even thou both groups R minorities yet no one is claiming the U.S. is a Fascist government
Has it ever crossed you mind that maybe those 20 people are actually guilty?
You make a point, but the thing is, I have never had any kind of Evidence to them being guilty, have you never heard of the term "Innocent until proven Guilty"?
They are being locked up without any contact with Attorneys, no charges for a year, that is not the way it is supposed to happen.. I will not dispute the fact that America has problems some of the people here are unfairly put in jail but we stick by the rules and protocols of how a trial should be conducted..
Your mistaken if your a spy & you get arrested you don't go to trial
most professional spy's comment suicide before they get arrested.
they have pills that kill instantly
The U.S. Government Torturers what more can you expect out of a government that has been threatened & sanctioned for 30 years
When Iran is being prohibited from even purchasing Air Defense systems (S-300PMU2) let alone new Air Superiority fighters how else do you expect it to act??
Don't take this the wrong way but pills and suicide, I think you watch to many movies, There is no evidence they are spies, how can they be spies, if you say there base is in Israel well The Persian Government in the 1800's exiled their leader to Iraq then the Ottoman empire then exiled them to Acre which was then Palestine not Israel, Israel was founded in 1947 almost 100 years after Baha'i was founded.
Iran is being cornered and it is being sanctioned on many things wrongfully
They take their principles from a man named Baha-O-laah from tehran who claimed he's a messenger of God in 19th century.
The Quran makes it clear not to revere human beings (5:44), not even the prophets (41:6, 18:110). Baha'ii literature glorifies the founders particularly Bahaollah.
Bahaii beliefs are mostly fair and modern only the idea of being from a "new messenger from God" is something Muslims don't accept since to Muslims Islam is the 3rd and last religion from God.
Zartoshti religion is NOT from God, as the name says it's from Zartosht, a man. The only religions that are supposedly from God are Judaism which is about 3500 yrs old, Christianity which is 2000 years old and Islam the last one which is 1400 years old, all Godly religions came when people were dumb and illiterate which makes all fake in my mind and creation of humans. Zartoshti & Bahaii religions are both from Humans that doesn't mean they're bad, all religions have good words & brainwash both.
At least first study a little before arguing with people. If you argue and say dumb things you detroy your own credibility.
Qoran is from God-not from Mohammad
Bible is from God- not from Jesus
Torat is from God-not from Moses
Avesta is the collection of prayers from Zartosht and other Zoroastrian scholars and they worship the fire. It's the ancient persian religion before islam. That doesn't mean there's anything wrong with it but it's not from God.
In all of history, every time a true prophet of God appears, He is rejected. The religious leaders incite ignorant mobs to persecute Him and His followers. This is being repeated in Iran today, as well as other countries.
Religion evokes two sentiments in man: love, or hate. The tongue of the Prophet divides the faithful from the false. He tests us with His word, which is the Word of God. "This is the changeless Faith of God, eternal in the past, eternal in the future." Baha'u'llah
fsmtdaler 11 months ago
Bahai is a fake religion. no doubt about it. Iranian regime is wothout any doubt barbaric but this does not make bahais better muslims. i am an ex-muslim and converted christian and i do know that islamic is violant but bahai was also to the times of shah not recognized.
DjangoGermany 1 year ago
The Iranian leadership is violation of article 9,article 10 and article 11 of the UNDHR against the Baha'is minority.Opposition to the ruling theocracy continues to grow.
RebelsLiberator 2 years ago
come on islam
come to us now...fell the pain of the victims of your wars and unholy jihad
look now IRAN IS FREE!!!
free will to the people of Iran
Israel is here to crush you all!!!
and liberate the old CIVILLIZED nations!
quicksilver231 2 years ago 2
see..as Muslims..we do believe that there is no religion after Islam...HOWEVER; this same religion tells us if any1 believed and chose another religion to follow..it is forbidden 2 stop him from practicing his faith
therefore, Bahai's should have the right 2 practice their faith freely, as supposedly Iran is a Muslim country that follows Islam it should also follow the rule of respecting others, their faiths and ideas.
thats cruel
the video is sad!
aliet07 2 years ago
Aliet Your comment is very kind. If I may mention, as a Baha'i, that I truly believe in Muhammad. i was raised Christian, and I believe in Christ, Moses, etc. Baha'u'llah explains that Muhammad, the Seal of the Prophets, was the last of the 'Prophetic Cycle', from the time of Adam. He says that there is a 'Cycle of Fulfillment' now, of which He is the One foretold by the Prophets from the Prophetic Cycle, and that there is no contradiction. May Allah bless you and your family
fsmtdaler 2 years ago
Excellent video. These shameful actions of the Governments and religious rulers, from the beginning of the Bahai faith to now are all based on fear. And we all have it in one form or another, some more than others.
badgersQ 2 years ago
The Iranian clerics are only proving that they are no better than the people of 'Ad who persecuted Hud. They have this example before them, so they may also reap the consequences of their actions. If the Baha'i' religion be of God, they will have God to answer to! Praise God!
g1e2c3k4o 2 years ago
I agree with the comment below; the Baha'is should just leave the country they were born in. In fact, anyone who disagrees with their government, the predominant culture or way things are done should just leave their homeland. That way, all nations will consist of like-minded citizens. Can we send back all the immigrants who don't agree with UK policy too? And how much disagreement? If I prefer cheeseburgers and you like hot dogs, do I get to send you back?
tobstv 3 years ago
In previous comment we revealed versus of Holy Qur'án and here is international view on the matter. I just want to recommend to my friend to be careful of falling into wasteful dispute. Remember if someone throws dust to sun only that person becomes blinded, nothing will happen to the sun. Also my dad use to tell me that if someone is sleep you can awaken him/her but if that person pretending he/she is sleep you are wasting your time.
Ezh2009 3 years ago 2
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Ezh2009 3 years ago
This is Baháí writings from Hidden Words O SON OF DUST! Verily I say unto thee: Of all men the most negligent is he that disputeth idly and seeketh to advance himself over his brother. Say, O brethren! Let deeds, not words, be your adorning.
Ezh2009 3 years ago 2
On 18 December 2008 United Nations General Assembly (By a vote of 69 to 54) adopted a resolution expressing deep concern at serious human rights violations in Iran. This is the 21st such resolution expressing concern over human rights in Iran since 1985 and by itself emphasizes the genuine concern for universally acknowledged human rights.
Ezh2009 3 years ago
United Nations General Assembly The Resolution cited inter alia documented cases of torture; the high incidence of executions and juvenile executions without proper legal safeguards; the persecution of women seeking their human rights; discrimination against minorities and attacks on minority groups like the Bahais in state media; and the violation of a wide range of political rights (United Nations A/63/459 General Assembly 2008).
Ezh2009 3 years ago
1% of Americas are in Prison
1% of 200,000 = 2,000
if you say 20 bahai's are in prison that mean 0.01% of bahais are in prison & some how thats religion persecution LOL
& only 0.1% killed in the past "30" years
and most during or after the war
are we some how spouse to believe that Bahais commit no crimes what so ever LOL
who's spreading Propaganda now??
FB44lion 3 years ago
If people are being jailed solely for their religious beliefs - which they ARE - then that is the very definition of religious persecution.
Don't even bother with the "spy" argument or the "we are in Israel therefore we are Zionist" argument. As another user said, we got there before Israel was even CREATED - that area was still Palestine at the time.
Just because Dorri-Najafabadi says we're spies doesn't mean we are. That's nothing more than proof by assertion.
LordAdib 3 years ago 3
Qur'án reveals: "Verily, falsehood is a thing that vanisheth." (Baní Isra'il-17:83) & "If all the trees that are upon the earth were to become pens, and if God should after that swell the sea into seven seas of ink, His words would not be exhausted for God is Mighty, Wise. "(Luqman-31: 26) if Bahai Faith is not of truth it would not grow among men but if Bahai Faith is from God according to Qur'án His [Gods] words would not be exhausted. Please investigate Bahaullahs original writings
Ezh2009 3 years ago
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Ezh2009 3 years ago
Does not history repeat-Abraham was put in fire by wealthy & powerful of His time, Moses /Jews were banished by same people. On the orders of the Sanhedrin & Caiaphas (Roman-appointed Jewish priest) Jesus Christ crucified. Then Muhammad came-In 617 the leaders of Makhzum & Banu Abd-Shams-two important Quraysh clans,-declared a public boycott against Banu Hashim, they accused Him, tried to kill Him & He was banished to Medina. Please read the Báb and Bahaullahs history & compare
Ezh2009 3 years ago
And thus never before Thy time did we send a Warner to any city but its wealthy ones said: 'Verily we found our fathers with a religion, and in their tracks we tread. (Zukhruf-43:22) "So oft then as an Apostle cometh to you with that which your souls desire not, swell ye with pride, and treat some as impostors and slay others?" (Baqarah - 2:87)
Ezh2009 3 years ago
Also we read in Qur'án "God chooseth Messengers from among the angels and from among men: verily God Heareth, Seeth. (Hajj-22:75) It is not up to us to argue who God makes His Messenger
Ezh2009 3 years ago
To my dear Muslim friends who use Qur'án and Ahadis (quotations) as reference please read O Believers: If any bad man come to you with news, clear it up at once. lost through ignorance ye harm others" and "speedily have to repent of what you have done." (Hujurat 49:6) U must investigate yourselves, Also "But if thou obey most men in the land, from the path of God will they mislead thee" (An'am - 6:116) U cannot rely on most people believes. Please read Bahaullahs original writings
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TheGreatAfricanGuru 3 years ago
While I have absolutely nothing against the Bahai faith...
Time: 54secs - "after Islam there cannot exist a valid religion..."
Surely if you follow a certain religion, be it Islam, Christianity, Judaism or whatever - surely you follow that religion because you believe in THAT faith and not any others? If this is the case - then ALL religions must somewhere say that after their own religion there is no validity of any other religion? Please don't just focus on Islam...
dhurrobaal 3 years ago
But as a Baha'i we believe in after Bahaollah, there is another prophet. and himself never claimed he is the last. on the other hand, many other religions just believe in their prophet because they think their prophet will comeback. that's make a problem.
EramStudio 2 years ago
Muslims respect Mohammad and imams but praise and obey God.
Bahaiis Praise and obey Sheikh Baha-Ollah.
The way Ghoran/Quran words it is like this:
God telling Mohammad the prophet: "[18.110] Say: I am only a mortal like you; it is revealed to me that your god is one God, therefore whoever hopes to meet his Lord, he should do good deeds, and not join anyone in the service of his Lord."
Hesam0000 3 years ago
I know this is only "some" Muslims, but those who get hacked off at people making a cartoon of Muhammad and then riot and kill people who had nothing to do with the cartoon, those Muslims, revere the prophet, maybe.
nighthawk7878 3 years ago
Who killed people because of cartoons?
The extremist percentage of muslims is less than 1/100. Iran has 70,000,000 people, at least 69,000,000 Muslim. The number of regime supporters are about 5,000,000 & from those 5mil only 50,000 are extremist.
insulting Mohammad was sick.Remember when the bald girl singer ridiculed the pope on stage & how she got treated afterward? & Americans are not even religious, so just imagine what one can expect if you insult a holly prophet of a religious billion.
Hesam0000 3 years ago
That is incorrect - we do not worship Baha'u'llah, the only entity we worship is GOD, and God is NOT Baha'u'llah. We also believe in Tawhid.
If you feel otherwise, kindly explain why.
LordAdib 3 years ago
I didn't say Bahaiis worship Bahaollah.
Copy: "Muslims respect Mohammad and imams but praise and obey God.
Bahaiis Praise and obey Sheikh Baha-Ollah"(even though they believe in God).
That means Bahaii religion does not have a book representative of the words of God, it only has a book representative of the words of Bahaollah who claimed to be a prophet. I know Bahaiis also worship God as the creator.
Hesam0000 3 years ago
do you really understand what you say? Mohammad claimed he is a prophet and his book became a holy book. so that's what Bahaollah did. Also many christian won't believe in Mohammad because they think Mohammad did a false clain, same as Muslim think about Bahaollah. Read some book before commenting.h
EramStudio 2 years ago
EramStudio,
Muhammad didn't claim he was a prophet, mohammad just was a messenger of the words he received from God. The people called him a prophet afterward.
In Bahaollah case he claimed to be the last and latest prophet! and his followers read what "HE" wrote not the messages from God he was delivering. Mohammad never wrote a book for the religion's followers to read, he was in fact illiterate until that day.
Read some book before replying :)
Hesam0000 2 years ago
Hesam0000
Than who are those people which call him a LAST PROPHET if he is not even a prophet. and if you really look at the dictionary, prophet mean is, MESSENGER FROM GOD, which Mohammad claimed to be. Also how do you know that Mohammad didn't say what he read before. because as you know Ghoran is a book which his followers gathered it.
EramStudio 2 years ago
I'm telling you what muslims believe. They believe Muhammad who was illiterate were given power to write, then he wrote words of God in a short time & brought to people. Bahaollah first called himself a prophet then people collected "his beliefs" as the basis of bahaii religion.
I do know about all religions.
It's a very simple matter of common-sense(which is not common at all):
ALL RELIGIONS ARE PURELY MAN-MADE. GOD NEVER TALKED TO HIS LITTLE CREATURES.GOD IS NOT HUMAN IT'S A POWER/ENERGY.
Hesam0000 2 years ago
you read too much stories instead of history. in you mind, prophet should be a really poor man who is illiterate, homeless, and sometimes don't have father. so, if a normal person claim to be a prophet, then he is a liar.
Every prophet, first claimed to be a prophet then they wrote their book. otherwise you can write a book then if it looks good, then you can say I'm a prophet !!!
At the end, Man-Made religion or GOD religion, all are for people's good. but many people take advantage of it.
EramStudio 2 years ago
Some Bahá'í principles
Abandonment of all forms of prejudice/Assurance to women of full equality of opportunity with men/Recognition of the unity and relativity of religious truth/Elimination of extremes of poverty and wealth/Realization of universal education
Responsibility of each person to independently search for truth/Establishment of a global commonwealth of nations/Recognition that true religion is in harmony with reason and the pursuit of scientific knowledge
Ezh2009 3 years ago 2
many Bahai's started betraying Iran after the revolution & in the Iraq war & even today most of them are Mojahedeen supporters that attacked Iran
I fully support Iran spying on them 24/7 to root out the traitors
If they don't like it maybe they should stop being traitors or leave
FB44lion 3 years ago
We do not support ANY political party, and that includes the Mojahedeen. You have carried this argument ad nauseum, and I'd advise you to back it up with *proof* if you decide to pursue this argument.
LordAdib 3 years ago 6
Baháulláh (Founder of Baháí Faith) said, The tabernacle of unity hath been raised; regard ye not one another as strangers. Ye are the fruits of one tree, and the leaves of one branch. That all nations should become one in faith and all men as brothers; that the bonds of affection and unity between the sons of men should be strengthened; that diversity of religion should cease, and differences of race be annulled — what harm is there in this?
Ezh2009 3 years ago 2
Bahá'u'lláh-Founder of the Bahá'í Faith, was banished from His native land Iran first to Baghdad then to Constantinople, Adrianople and finally to Acre-where He arrived as a prisoner in 1868. Today The Baháí World Centre is located in Akká and Haifa-Israel. Iranian authorities use this as an excuse to accuse Bahais of spying and persecute them. Bahais believe that humankind is one family created by God. They abstain from partisanship and so do not join political parties or factions
Ezh2009 3 years ago 3
Time: 00:10 =[2.256] There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever disbelieves in the Shaitan and believes in Allah he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handle, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.
Hesam0000 3 years ago
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Some how Iran should not be allowed to arrest spy's if they are not Muslim or else its Religious persecution
LOL
when Israel killed 1000's of Muslims did you make a video about religious persecution by Israel??? I don't think so
but if Iran arrest 7 out of thousands of Bahai's that live in Iran thats religious persecution LOL
Do Muslim In Israel have the same rights as a Jew no because if that was the case then through democracy Muslims would be in power
get a life you hypocrites
FB44lion 3 years ago
> but if Iran arrest 7
> out of thousands
> of Bahai's that live
> in Iran thats religious
> persecution LOL
Google: "ISRCC document". It was made by the Iranian government outlining ways to persecute the Bahais.
PleasantPenguin 3 years ago
I looked at that document 1st there is no way to prove that it is genuine
2nd even in the document it say's its nothing more than a RECOMMENDATION
3nd they miss translated the English version for example they translated advertising to Propaganda
4th & most importantly this was in 1991 only 3 years after the Iraq war & their were a lot of Bahai's that betrayed Iran in that war & its just like how after 911 the U.S. started targeting Muslims
Anything else ?????
LOL what a JOKE
FB44lion 3 years ago
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Bahai faith started in Iran & is just another sect of Islam
Fact of the matter is a lot of Israeli spy's in Iran are Bahai's
It's like after 911 U.S. targeted Muslims & in a way rightly so because they were attacked by Muslims
That does not mean the U.S. was doing religious persecutions
The Iranian Government spy's on Bahai's 24/7 & if they say these ppl were spy's I believe them
1000's of Bahai's live in Iran
only 7 were arrested that is not religious persecution
But This Video is Propaganda
FB44lion 3 years ago
Give me a scintilla of proof that Baha'is spy for Israel...
What kind of spies write their names on official documents (i.e. university and job applications)?? Plus, Iran has alleged that we "finance the Israeli regime"...would you mind telling me what kind of spies finance the country they're spying for???
And finally, who are we spies for: Russia, Great Britain, Israel or the USA??
Goebellian propagandists generally can't get their story straight...keep that in mind when you answer...
masudrules 3 years ago 4
And Goebellian propagandists also tend to get their facts wrong:
"1000's of Bahai's live in Iran "
Wrong, HUNDREDS of thousands of Baha'is live in Iran. (Hundreds of thousands of spies??)
"only 7 were arrested that is not religious persecution"
Wrong again. The number of arrested Baha'is is closer to 20. And over 200 killed in the past couple decades...and many many more tortured and executed since the inception of our religion.
masudrules 3 years ago 3
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Well thank U 4 Proving my Point even further
100's of Thousands of Bahais live in Iran
only 20 were arrested (D correction only helps me so thank U)
yes in da past 30y ~200 were killed
but most were during or after the war
WHY? I think U know very will WHY
go compare that 2 da amount of Muslims in U.S. Jails for one reason or another
No 1 is forcing U to stay in Iran why don't U move 2 Ur base in Israel?
lets say 200,000 bahai live in Iran out of that only 20 R in prison
what nerve U ppl got
FB44lion 3 years ago
hmmm...what major event took place around the time of the Iran Iraq war?? let me give you a clue...you can see the incarnation of the event at 01:00 in this video...(did you get it?)
No one is forcing us to stay??? My cousin has been incarcerated in Iran, and prior to that, his passport was taken away by the authorities. Think again.
So it's about numbers? So until 100 000 Baha'is are imprisoned, you'll still be denying the repression?? Where's your intellectual rigor??
masudrules 3 years ago 3
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1% of Americans are in prison yet no one is saying the U.S. gov. is Fascist gov.
Until at least 1% of your people are incarcerated you should not even be talking about it
the fact that you are over 20 ppl out of over 200,000 shows me yours spreading propaganda against Iran & show's how much of a traitor you are
and that's my evidence that U & most Bahais R traitors
when will Ur bs stop the Universal house of justice was establish in 1963 in Israel
FB44lion 3 years ago
If 1% of those imprisoned Americans ALL belonged to one specific religious denomination, your argument might have had some validity.
"Until at least 1% of your people are incarcerated you should not even be talking about it "
That's like saying "Until a genocide occurs, we shouldn't do anything".
THAT'S the best you can do? The UHJ was established there because our Prophet passed away there BEFORE the creation of the State of Israel.
masudrules 3 years ago 3
Propaganda serves more to justify ourselves than to convince others; and the more reason we have to feel guilty, the more fervent our propaganda. This is the current state of affairs in Iran vis a vis the Baha'is. Any sentient human being can see that.
masudrules 3 years ago 2
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Iran's been under sanctions for 30 years & the Bahais have betrayed this government from the beginning
Maybe they should have though a bit harder before supporting groups like the Mojahedeen
even today the U.S., U.K, France, etc keeps close tabs on Muslims living in the their country
just a year ago an Iranian student was thrown out of a university in Europe because he was studding Nuclear Engineering
Now some how Iran shouldn't be allowed to do the same when it comes to out national security
FB44lion 3 years ago
Give me proof that Baha'is have betrayed that government? We never supported the Mojahedeen, that's a canard.
How is it a question of national security to arrest people who write their names AND reliigous affiliation on OFFICIAL documents? Aren't spies supposed to be secretive?
You know this has nothing to do with national security; this is the same language the Nazis used when trying to exterminate the Jews.
You're probably going to change the subject now...
masudrules 3 years ago 7
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Like the Nazi's LOL
does your family work in labor camps?
do you have to mark you's self as a bahai when U go out?
The fact that your base is located in the Fascist state of Israel say's it all
how many Muslims has Israel killed in the past 30 years vs Ur 200??
I know this has everything 2 do with Iran's National Security
200 deaths in 30 years is extermination of Ur ppl LOL
U ppl like making stuff up just like da Israelis maybe thats Y U built Ur base there...
FB44lion 3 years ago
"do you have to mark you's self as a bahai when U go out?"
We don't need to; the government does it for us, by arresting us, by publishing Goebellian articles in the Keyhan, and by sending ignorant propagandists such as yourself to become internet trolls to further repress the Baha'is
Our "base" has been located in Israel since BEFORE it's creation, do you understand that? BEFORE it even existed. During the Ottoman Empire.
Answer that and stop changing the subject.
masudrules 3 years ago 2
as you said yourself 20 out of 200,000 are in Prison and as I told U that's only 0.01% by % more Shia Muslims R in Iranian prison
so again stop spreading propaganda
Ya what ever you say buddy the Iranian gov would even be happy to pay for your tickets if you decide to leave & never come back so stop BS ing
Your a traitor your ppl have alway's been traitors so why don't you just leave you don't like us well we don't like U too so go
FB44lion 3 years ago
The Shi'ites in prison aren't in there because of their religious affiliation.
"the Iranian gov would even be happy to pay for your tickets"
Really? Then why are they incarcerating us? Why don't they deport us to our "base"?
Well, the Baha'is are the country's largest minority, and they're Iranians; why should they leave? We never said we don't like you, we just want to live in peace...but it's revealing that you said you don't like us; that's what this is all about; I'm glad you said it
masudrules 3 years ago 3
Even Grand Ayatollah Hossein-Ali-Montazeri, one of the leaders of the Islamic Revolution, has said of the Baha'is:
"they are the citizens of this country, they have the right of citizenship and to live in this country. Furthermore, they must benefit from the Islamic compassion which is stressed in Quran and by the religious authorities".
Is he a traitor?? (I can't wait to see how you spin this one)
masudrules 3 years ago 3
Why is it that you make it a laughing matter, you said before that it was wrong for that particular Iranian student who was studying Nuclear Engineering, but yet it is alright to throw Baha'i students out of their schools and Universities??
90Amir 3 years ago
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where were you people when Iranian Students were being prohibited from studying Nuclear Engineering in Europe???
That's my point
You are all Hypocrites
out of 200,000 bahai's only 20 are in prison that's 0.01% while in the U.S. 1 out of every 100 adults are in prison that's 1% & majority are Black's & Hispanics even thou both groups R minorities yet no one is claiming the U.S. is a Fascist government
Has it ever crossed you mind that maybe those 20 people are actually guilty?
FB44lion 3 years ago
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2Amir
As you C here Majority of Bahai's are Traitors so why should the Iranian government give them a free education?
NO ONE IS STOPPING THEM FROM ATTENDING UNIVERSITIES THEY CAN ATTEND AS LONG AS THEY PAY FOR THERE OWN EDUCATION
There are many privet Universities they can attend to
the bahai's want to betray this government, call it a fascist government & ask it to give them a free education will sorry that's not going to happen
FB44lion 3 years ago
You make a point, but the thing is, I have never had any kind of Evidence to them being guilty, have you never heard of the term "Innocent until proven Guilty"?
They are being locked up without any contact with Attorneys, no charges for a year, that is not the way it is supposed to happen.. I will not dispute the fact that America has problems some of the people here are unfairly put in jail but we stick by the rules and protocols of how a trial should be conducted..
90Amir 2 years ago
Your mistaken if your a spy & you get arrested you don't go to trial
most professional spy's comment suicide before they get arrested.
they have pills that kill instantly
The U.S. Government Torturers what more can you expect out of a government that has been threatened & sanctioned for 30 years
When Iran is being prohibited from even purchasing Air Defense systems (S-300PMU2) let alone new Air Superiority fighters how else do you expect it to act??
Iran is like a cornered cat right now
FB44lion 2 years ago
Don't take this the wrong way but pills and suicide, I think you watch to many movies, There is no evidence they are spies, how can they be spies, if you say there base is in Israel well The Persian Government in the 1800's exiled their leader to Iraq then the Ottoman empire then exiled them to Acre which was then Palestine not Israel, Israel was founded in 1947 almost 100 years after Baha'i was founded.
Iran is being cornered and it is being sanctioned on many things wrongfully
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FB44lion 2 years ago
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The Universal House of Justice, governing body of the Bahá'ís, in Haifa, Israel was officially established in 1963
so stop fooling yourself
0.01% of bahai are in prison
in the U.S. 1% of all Adults are in prison
That is a fact the numbers don't lie
Iran is not persecuting the bahai's
Yes Iran does not give them a free education that is True but so what ever since the establishment of this government you have been against it
& your base is in a country that threatens Iran every day
FB44lion 2 years ago
And does not Bahai take its principles from Islam?
nighthawk7878 3 years ago
No.
They take their principles from a man named Baha-O-laah from tehran who claimed he's a messenger of God in 19th century.
The Quran makes it clear not to revere human beings (5:44), not even the prophets (41:6, 18:110). Baha'ii literature glorifies the founders particularly Bahaollah.
Bahaii beliefs are mostly fair and modern only the idea of being from a "new messenger from God" is something Muslims don't accept since to Muslims Islam is the 3rd and last religion from God.
Hesam0000 3 years ago
Islam is not the 3rd religion from God thats BS
there were many more religions from god starting with Zoroastrianism
also what Muslims want to accept is relevant the Quran say's if you Believe in One God then you'r fine by him & that is all that should matter
FB44lion 3 years ago
Zartoshti religion is NOT from God, as the name says it's from Zartosht, a man. The only religions that are supposedly from God are Judaism which is about 3500 yrs old, Christianity which is 2000 years old and Islam the last one which is 1400 years old, all Godly religions came when people were dumb and illiterate which makes all fake in my mind and creation of humans. Zartoshti & Bahaii religions are both from Humans that doesn't mean they're bad, all religions have good words & brainwash both.
Hesam0000 3 years ago
You don't know what your talking about
then Christianity is from Christ not god
your an Idiot
& You know nothing
FB44lion 3 years ago
FB44,
At least first study a little before arguing with people. If you argue and say dumb things you detroy your own credibility.
Qoran is from God-not from Mohammad
Bible is from God- not from Jesus
Torat is from God-not from Moses
Avesta is the collection of prayers from Zartosht and other Zoroastrian scholars and they worship the fire. It's the ancient persian religion before islam. That doesn't mean there's anything wrong with it but it's not from God.
Hesam0000 3 years ago