@illdoc1 You are however correct in what you say about the TP/mass media and the resulting cognitive dissonance. I would add though that the TP get their media almost exclusively from Fox, and any exposure to NBC/ABC/etc. can be traced to aggregators such as Drudge Report, #tcot, etc. Which is to say, they're presented information by ideologues who filter it to their expectations.
In this regard, they don't follow the same rules in mass media as the rest of us, but I otherwise agree with you.
@b3nb0rg yes i'd just add that in all fairness, I do think quite a few people in other parts of the ideological spectrum, including the left, take shelter in similar filtering. unfortunately i am busy with the radio show this evening and can't look at your link at the moment, but i'll ill try to revisit later.
@illdoc1 You also fundamentally misunderstand the utility of birtherism. The whole point was the proposed remedy to the claim: to remove him from office immediately. Birtherism was simply the best means they saw to that end, with the 2nd benefit being that it served as a sort of mark of communal faith, proof of membership in the TP tribe. After all: who else would believe such conspiracy?
When Trump pushed the issue, it blew up, killing both benefits. It was all he had, so they turned on him.
@illdoc1 My analysis stems from everything I've ever read on his poll drop. Read the PublicPolicyPolling 5/10 blogspot post entitled "Trump collapses." They not only tie the long-form directly to his drop, but they also say that *over-exposure* was the 2nd contributing factor.
Meanwhile, your analysis stems from the assumption that television operates under the same rules as message boards, and pretty much nothing else.
I'm eager to hear your reasoning as to why PPP's is the questionable one.
@abeba323 Im gonna check with my husband to see if he's cool with a "brother husband"....if he's cool with it, it's ON..me & you, 3:00o'clock behind the bleachers...GIRL FIGHT!
If you had actually bothered to pay attention to the news instead of demanding it cater to your personal expectations, you'd know that Trump's rise in the polls was due to his support among birthers. The long form was released, birtherism cratered, and so did Trump. It had nothing to do with the media "not feeding the trolls". It was that his *ahem* trump card was taken away from him.
The Tea Party was going to nominate him, and they openly hate the media. Politics =/= internet. Wise up.
@b3nb0rg Snide attitude notwithstanding, your analysis is questionable. The long form certificate would only remove his "trump card" if birtherism was driven by honest appraisal of facts, which it isn't. It's a manifestation of vague, irrational fears and emotions, which is why Trump was able to pivot into questioning Obama's grades, etc. Trump's "campaign" was going to fizzle soon anyway because he never planned to run, but it was his getting swept aside by Osama coverage that killed it early.
@b3nb0rg Also, the Tea Party is no less dependent on mass media than anyone else, it's a bit naive to buy into their fondness for sloganeering that indicates otherwise. They merely rationalize anything that causes cognitive dissonance as "lamestream media," while whoever confirms their beliefs are the rebellious truthtellers.
At some point the chicken lays the egg and the snake bites the tail. Eventually the media attention and people attention add momentum to this thing It is both having media to hit their brake as for people to show less interest as well. But obviously everyone watching will have enough people interested to keep a story like this going.
So, I was watching Rachel Maddow today, and she showed me this video of yours. It surprised me that there's a new video of yours that I haven't seen, since I'm subscribed to the channel "illdoc."
Ok, so now I'm subscribed to this channel that I had no idea existed. Do you have any others I don't know about?
bwa-ha-ha! Quite apart from your dead-on accurate perception of the media/Trump absurdity is the effortless casualness with which you quote Yeats' "The Second Coming" ... Donald Trump as The Beast Slouching Toward Bethelem is an image that made me laugh out loud (...and is totally apt). My only complaint is that you are raising the standard for all of us, forcing me to pick up my game!
Amen! Whether it's the crazy preacher from podunk USA who decided to burn the Quran or a indecipherable tweet from Palin or Donald Trump...the media has lost its way... they are creating the news rather than reporting it. I live in Europe and am embarrassed by the news coverage from my country.
Yea, what this guy said. My thoughts exactly. Why don't people get it and just turn off their TV or go watch Dancing with the stars or something. That is the only thing the news shows understand.
Jay, damn, you were just on Rachel Maddow like two minutes ago. it was this very video she picked and mentioned that it would be featured on their website. it was surreal and I'm happy for you. let's just hope you continue to make videos. I always wondered what would happen if a place like MSNBC gives you a shot to reach many more. props to Rachel. she's cool.
I feel the same way. It's the MEDIA that causes this, because THEY choose what to show on TV, then behave as though it's the public that wants to see these things when it's the ONLY thing they show. Of course ratings are going to be high if that's the only thing that's being shown and there's nothing else to watch. The same way Paris Hilton is famous for NO REASON - it's because that's what they fed us.
your not very clear on what has happened Trump is the one throwing himself into the media. Hes still throwing himself into the media even this week. Your way off on this whole video. You need to be more wired to what is going on. Hes been everywhere this week. I'm not sure where you have been.
I was a little worried with your title that this was going to be about telling people not to refute lies--you know, the "If we just ignore it, it will go away..." (and we all remember how well that works for global warming deniers, vaccine paranoids, birthers, death panelers, swift boaters, etc.). But, I think your actual point was hugely refreshing, in that it criticized those who promoted/furthered the lies in the first place, not telling people trying to correct the record to shut up.
Your are talking to a country that watches snookie, idol, dancing with the stars etc. Don't act so surprised that people keep voting for republicans, and the like.
You know, if it weren't for Youtube (the Young Turks, mostly), I'm not sure I would have known about Donald Trump's Marathon of Idiotic Slime and America Hating Bluster. I wonder if anyone but politicos and media types even cared.
Is it possible to report on stuff that really matters? Like the flooded South? Or the real state of the economy? Nope.
Nobody wants the clueless to wake up and take matters into their own hands so you get Janet Jackson's tit, or Anna Nichole Smith, or Paris Hilton, or ... or Donald Trump.
Unfortunately, the beast will always have food sources. There are too many instant forms of media that will feed it. Even if people are tired of the beast, almost any type of public discourse sustains it. It would be mentioned somewhere, even if it's in one of those godawful web side ads pretending to "poll" people. That's the way I see it anyway. BTW: Loved the TV news reporter voice; it made me laugh. The Yeats reference towards the end bummed me out. :(
..... I'm nodding, I'm agreeing, I'm like "yea, Jay, that's right" but not in a come to Jesus kind of way and then.......Yeats.... and I die right there. O.M.G. sorry TMI but that is just f*cking hot.
while yes, the media feeds the beast (Trump, Palin and other random crazies), the crazies also feed the media. american's have become consumers of fast food news, so instead of spending 24 hrs of air time delving into complex issues and speaking truth, the media is set up to play the catchiest headlines on repeat, every hour...just like radio one stations.
I've missed u. I've been waiting for you to come out with something about this idiot - Donald Trump. I'm glad you didn't disappoint. I luv the vid too bad it was only 2 mins. Your vids always put a smile on my face. Thank-u! :) I hate to say it, but something controversial needs to happen so I or we can see & hear from you again - hopefully soon.
hey Jay, why not post all your videos in one account? or on all of your accounts simultaneously? people who have subscribed to your other accounts will miss new videos. just sayin. great video as always. hopefully the upcoming election season will bring out the best and more of you. lol
Fuck you.
SuperAnnoyingtroll 2 months ago
Replace "Donald Trump" with "Michelle Bachmann" and various other rightwing nut shock jocks, and it wouldn't be that much different.
EmpressJudge13 4 months ago
@one21twoone2 your moms vagina's crooked but it works just fine.
jmart680 6 months ago
cool story bro
MrTrey93 7 months ago
your mouth is crooked
one21twoone2 7 months ago
One word.
Bachman.
CityzenJane 7 months ago
*Marshall McLuhan nods in agreement.*
jwnealy3 8 months ago
Did you? I think you...did you intimate Yeats, man? NOICE.
Nunee12 8 months ago
Consensus Building.... the ineffable dégât! :3
RudyGotSUS 8 months ago
He's got a point "dad".
011258stooie 9 months ago
also trump got destroyed by Obama and Seth... and then Osama was killed, and people like Obama more. Which helped kill the troll that is trump.
faithfuljohn 9 months ago
@illdoc1 You are however correct in what you say about the TP/mass media and the resulting cognitive dissonance. I would add though that the TP get their media almost exclusively from Fox, and any exposure to NBC/ABC/etc. can be traced to aggregators such as Drudge Report, #tcot, etc. Which is to say, they're presented information by ideologues who filter it to their expectations.
In this regard, they don't follow the same rules in mass media as the rest of us, but I otherwise agree with you.
b3nb0rg 9 months ago
@b3nb0rg yes i'd just add that in all fairness, I do think quite a few people in other parts of the ideological spectrum, including the left, take shelter in similar filtering. unfortunately i am busy with the radio show this evening and can't look at your link at the moment, but i'll ill try to revisit later.
illdoc1 9 months ago
@illdoc1 You also fundamentally misunderstand the utility of birtherism. The whole point was the proposed remedy to the claim: to remove him from office immediately. Birtherism was simply the best means they saw to that end, with the 2nd benefit being that it served as a sort of mark of communal faith, proof of membership in the TP tribe. After all: who else would believe such conspiracy?
When Trump pushed the issue, it blew up, killing both benefits. It was all he had, so they turned on him.
b3nb0rg 9 months ago
@illdoc1 My analysis stems from everything I've ever read on his poll drop. Read the PublicPolicyPolling 5/10 blogspot post entitled "Trump collapses." They not only tie the long-form directly to his drop, but they also say that *over-exposure* was the 2nd contributing factor.
Meanwhile, your analysis stems from the assumption that television operates under the same rules as message boards, and pretty much nothing else.
I'm eager to hear your reasoning as to why PPP's is the questionable one.
b3nb0rg 9 months ago
@abeba323 Im gonna check with my husband to see if he's cool with a "brother husband"....if he's cool with it, it's ON..me & you, 3:00o'clock behind the bleachers...GIRL FIGHT!
cheedeeh 9 months ago
Wonderful!
xyleborus2 9 months ago
THANK YOU! haha. a breath of air, finally
lacedwithspace 9 months ago
Solution: Make all news non-profit.
hiropendragon 9 months ago
If you had actually bothered to pay attention to the news instead of demanding it cater to your personal expectations, you'd know that Trump's rise in the polls was due to his support among birthers. The long form was released, birtherism cratered, and so did Trump. It had nothing to do with the media "not feeding the trolls". It was that his *ahem* trump card was taken away from him.
The Tea Party was going to nominate him, and they openly hate the media. Politics =/= internet. Wise up.
b3nb0rg 9 months ago
@b3nb0rg Snide attitude notwithstanding, your analysis is questionable. The long form certificate would only remove his "trump card" if birtherism was driven by honest appraisal of facts, which it isn't. It's a manifestation of vague, irrational fears and emotions, which is why Trump was able to pivot into questioning Obama's grades, etc. Trump's "campaign" was going to fizzle soon anyway because he never planned to run, but it was his getting swept aside by Osama coverage that killed it early.
illdoc1 9 months ago
@b3nb0rg Also, the Tea Party is no less dependent on mass media than anyone else, it's a bit naive to buy into their fondness for sloganeering that indicates otherwise. They merely rationalize anything that causes cognitive dissonance as "lamestream media," while whoever confirms their beliefs are the rebellious truthtellers.
illdoc1 9 months ago
At some point the chicken lays the egg and the snake bites the tail. Eventually the media attention and people attention add momentum to this thing It is both having media to hit their brake as for people to show less interest as well. But obviously everyone watching will have enough people interested to keep a story like this going.
That and Trump was behind most of the media out.
Warpchy 9 months ago
nailed it. the news is broken.
GuyFaux2007 9 months ago
LIKED AND FAVORITED.
must use capslock to express my feelings.
thanoob12345 9 months ago
@GlassAgate, A good troll isn't a troll, hes an advocate.
JamesRaynor11 9 months ago
Marry me!
no...? Okay, I'll just keep checking the channel for more videos.
Sigh.
Abeba323 9 months ago
"I learned it by watching YOU....dad" LOLOLOL I miss dramatic PSAs. :D
lizzybeans11 9 months ago
After my husband dies, can we get married?
cheedeeh 9 months ago
@cheedeeh LMAO! I just saw this. Great minds think alike. BUT... I'm single so...sorry!
;)
Abeba323 9 months ago
aren't you talking about trump now??
AnthonyIvanTucker83 9 months ago
But, by watching this video, and giving it a "thumbs up", aren't we
feeding a troll? A good troll, but still he's a troll.
GlassAgate 9 months ago
There is this troll that has started to hang around my house.
It's rather a cute one. I keep feeding it, and it keeps returning.
It fetches, it does other tricks....wouldn't you feed it, too?
GlassAgate 9 months ago
Thank you Maddow for sending me here. Just subscribed..looking forward to next little bit of brilliance.
yikes1111awake 9 months ago 2
You got free marketing from Rachael Maddow! You are awesome sisr
blognewb 9 months ago
You just got yourself a new subscriber.
kinoptika 9 months ago
So, I was watching Rachel Maddow today, and she showed me this video of yours. It surprised me that there's a new video of yours that I haven't seen, since I'm subscribed to the channel "illdoc."
Ok, so now I'm subscribed to this channel that I had no idea existed. Do you have any others I don't know about?
MntlWard 9 months ago
bwa-ha-ha! Quite apart from your dead-on accurate perception of the media/Trump absurdity is the effortless casualness with which you quote Yeats' "The Second Coming" ... Donald Trump as The Beast Slouching Toward Bethelem is an image that made me laugh out loud (...and is totally apt). My only complaint is that you are raising the standard for all of us, forcing me to pick up my game!
rewinn 9 months ago
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rewinn 9 months ago
Good observations, but I could do without the annoying backbeat and sloppy video edits.
classicalduck 9 months ago
Great job!
fullerjohn1119 9 months ago
who is this guy. watched 3 video and i'm impressed. why does everything you say just FLOW!!!!
halflifeproductionz 9 months ago
Yes, we should just let the trolls starve!
miashalala 9 months ago
Amen! Whether it's the crazy preacher from podunk USA who decided to burn the Quran or a indecipherable tweet from Palin or Donald Trump...the media has lost its way... they are creating the news rather than reporting it. I live in Europe and am embarrassed by the news coverage from my country.
DestinationMahmoud 9 months ago 2
BRAVO!!!! :-) I couldn't have said it ANY BETTER!!!
domromutube 9 months ago
Awesome Bro! Well said!!!
pastorkevin52 9 months ago
Cool!
Satire2008 9 months ago
Rachel Maddow says hello.... so I subbed too.
Content baby, we love the pertinent content!
The great maw that is YouTube users.
zippyman818 9 months ago 2
Pitch Perfect Well Done
majixone77 9 months ago
Rachel maddow sent you a shout out...thats more then enough for me to sub.
inquiry10 9 months ago 5
Yea, what this guy said. My thoughts exactly. Why don't people get it and just turn off their TV or go watch Dancing with the stars or something. That is the only thing the news shows understand.
shadowym1 9 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Maddow sent me. Tell the truth!
ActionAimz 9 months ago
Jay, damn, you were just on Rachel Maddow like two minutes ago. it was this very video she picked and mentioned that it would be featured on their website. it was surreal and I'm happy for you. let's just hope you continue to make videos. I always wondered what would happen if a place like MSNBC gives you a shot to reach many more. props to Rachel. she's cool.
mike7743 9 months ago
I feel the same way. It's the MEDIA that causes this, because THEY choose what to show on TV, then behave as though it's the public that wants to see these things when it's the ONLY thing they show. Of course ratings are going to be high if that's the only thing that's being shown and there's nothing else to watch. The same way Paris Hilton is famous for NO REASON - it's because that's what they fed us.
VideoVixen24 9 months ago
Nice reference to Yeats there.
Shrimpus 9 months ago
You just don't get it. America is tired of BS like this.
Hbase45 9 months ago
How come your 2 minute videos contain so much more TRUTH than a one hour show on FOX?
herakuzi 9 months ago
Right freakin' on.
badisnotgood 9 months ago
your not very clear on what has happened Trump is the one throwing himself into the media. Hes still throwing himself into the media even this week. Your way off on this whole video. You need to be more wired to what is going on. Hes been everywhere this week. I'm not sure where you have been.
Darkvirtue9 9 months ago
Nicely done. Bravo!
Bragistringbreaker 9 months ago
Exactly!!!
MsAsheeraA 9 months ago
Oh, and the Yeats reference was much appreciated. We live in an age when most people think "Yeats" refers to a kind of infection ...
DocSedula 9 months ago 3
@DocSedula I couldn't have said it better myself.
fragbert66 9 months ago
Thank you for saying what needed to be said, sir.
DocSedula 9 months ago
I was a little worried with your title that this was going to be about telling people not to refute lies--you know, the "If we just ignore it, it will go away..." (and we all remember how well that works for global warming deniers, vaccine paranoids, birthers, death panelers, swift boaters, etc.). But, I think your actual point was hugely refreshing, in that it criticized those who promoted/furthered the lies in the first place, not telling people trying to correct the record to shut up.
sphinooccipital 9 months ago
I love your pieces, especially the background cats. But I could do without the percussion. It's kind of irritating.
carolinajessamine 9 months ago
Your are talking to a country that watches snookie, idol, dancing with the stars etc. Don't act so surprised that people keep voting for republicans, and the like.
splibb 9 months ago 2
This is also the solution for the Westboro Bapist Church. I know you knew that.
KMFCM 9 months ago
You know, if it weren't for Youtube (the Young Turks, mostly), I'm not sure I would have known about Donald Trump's Marathon of Idiotic Slime and America Hating Bluster. I wonder if anyone but politicos and media types even cared.
eirefrance 9 months ago
Ill doc is the truth.
ericsaywhaat 9 months ago 4
GREAT POINT, SO TRUE, SO RELEVANT!
huntedrasta 9 months ago 2
I l ove this!
mellenbow 9 months ago
Is it possible to report on stuff that really matters? Like the flooded South? Or the real state of the economy? Nope.
Nobody wants the clueless to wake up and take matters into their own hands so you get Janet Jackson's tit, or Anna Nichole Smith, or Paris Hilton, or ... or Donald Trump.
viruscauser 9 months ago 2
Unfortunately, the beast will always have food sources. There are too many instant forms of media that will feed it. Even if people are tired of the beast, almost any type of public discourse sustains it. It would be mentioned somewhere, even if it's in one of those godawful web side ads pretending to "poll" people. That's the way I see it anyway. BTW: Loved the TV news reporter voice; it made me laugh. The Yeats reference towards the end bummed me out. :(
rayajazz 9 months ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
What the fks wrong with your mouth you ugly fag
Trollololololo 9 months ago
Good point, Jay.
cnhoffman 9 months ago
well like you said "you had to give it a shot" that's all we can ask since the media is like a dog chasing it's own tail half the time
ToshiAburakoji 9 months ago 2
make more videos!!! they are really good
KkAaZz9 9 months ago
Whoa here you are
What happened to illdoc1?
mdossantos047 9 months ago
Have to say: loved the video, loved the Yeats reference.
Meinberg13 9 months ago
Good job
L4Uhuru 9 months ago
"slouches toward your camera to be born..." lololol
Jebediah13 9 months ago
I learned by watchin you dad
watch?v=Y-Elr5K2Vuo
JBGrimey 9 months ago
..... I'm nodding, I'm agreeing, I'm like "yea, Jay, that's right" but not in a come to Jesus kind of way and then.......Yeats.... and I die right there. O.M.G. sorry TMI but that is just f*cking hot.
saucypedanticwench 9 months ago
while yes, the media feeds the beast (Trump, Palin and other random crazies), the crazies also feed the media. american's have become consumers of fast food news, so instead of spending 24 hrs of air time delving into complex issues and speaking truth, the media is set up to play the catchiest headlines on repeat, every hour...just like radio one stations.
SheRohnamo 9 months ago
(Laughing @ "Well I Had To Give It A Shot")
TEACHYOUTEEWHY 9 months ago
YES ILL DOC IS FINALLY BACK IN THE YOU TUBE BUILDING!!
TEACHYOUTEEWHY 9 months ago
You need to post regularly again, man.
xKineticSparks 9 months ago 2
My King has resurfaced!!
lbowen153 9 months ago 29
I've missed u. I've been waiting for you to come out with something about this idiot - Donald Trump. I'm glad you didn't disappoint. I luv the vid too bad it was only 2 mins. Your vids always put a smile on my face. Thank-u! :) I hate to say it, but something controversial needs to happen so I or we can see & hear from you again - hopefully soon.
mscardioqueen 9 months ago
hahahaha "I learned it by watching you Dad" was epic!
QN5isincredible 9 months ago
Loved it Jay but could u make thesae joints longer? Go in Dunn Sunn!!!!!
zadkiel04 9 months ago
yay! he's back! :)
0508Gee 9 months ago
hey Jay, why not post all your videos in one account? or on all of your accounts simultaneously? people who have subscribed to your other accounts will miss new videos. just sayin. great video as always. hopefully the upcoming election season will bring out the best and more of you. lol
mike7743 9 months ago
@mike7743 I subscribed both and not having a problem with doing that. You know what? I subscribe anything with Ill Doc in it.
TEACHYOUTEEWHY 9 months ago
kuhkuhkuhkill em!
thomasalright 9 months ago
Your HOT...;)
teeknight 9 months ago
Score another one for illdoc. :-)
ap2152002 9 months ago 2
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theillestboYee 9 months ago
yesssssss!
two words: cyber crush on your brain. Ok, that's 5 words, but you get it!
therealkimcoles 9 months ago
yesssssss!
therealkimcoles 9 months ago
awesome, as usual. it's always a treat when you post a new one.
smeldrick 9 months ago
Trump-Gravity... Sounds... Combover-ey
PardonMyZinger 9 months ago
Do you remember a couple of years ago when you only had one account?
studiousx3 9 months ago
It'd been a while, good to hear from you again man
The1OthLetter 9 months ago 55