China Threat Debate: Bill Gertz (2 of 11)

[srdtpa]

USA has no moral to talk about democracy, since they helped SO many dictators against democracy.

We all know what this is REALLY about, and is not about any kind of ideology.

At the end of the day, China has a less interventionist foreign policy than USA. and I prefer china's way.

[kamenkojistonira]

Ah just destroy the US already...Im sick of "democracy" and "freedom". Dictatorship ftw. Worked in the Balkans before, will work again.. :P

[sergei91federov]

Funny. In China and Russia, we talk about the USA threat. LOLOL. The USA have military bases all around us. How many do we have around USA? ZERO! Who's the threat?

[powerofthroughts]

Americans are single mind of world domination;  this is full of rubbish. china is the main the supporter of the u.s now aday; china bought up all these u.s bonds; this in term given the u.s economy going; it is not chinese interest to destroy America; All these blame is full of no sense;

[Phead128]

America, makes a lot of noise, while she is declining.

Ego adjusting needs to accelerate, because at the rate China is growing, Americans are going to be REAL shocked when their nation just overnight becomes 2nd tier fodder to the Chinese superpower.

Don't worry, China has played this Superpower game for centuries, thousands of years before US was even created.

[tohjohn1]

The idea of threat here is this: does China's growth compromise US's position in the world? Yes, of course. Every rising power will change the geopolitical landscape no matter who is rising or who is the current power. It is US insecurities that fuels the idea that a growing China means a dieing US. So as long as US continue to innovate and improve there isn't much a growing China can do to it. Just like in a exam, you don't complain that the other student are too smart, you put in more effort.

[tohjohn1]

The debater above shows key misunderstanding about Chinese society. For thousands of years, China's geopolitical principles stands on 'peoples dictatorship'. To put it simply, as long as the govt provides and takes cares of the ppl sufficiently, the govt is the legitimate ruler of China. This has been so in Imperial China and is so for Communist China. China today cannot afford a democracy. Democracy's key is a strong and affluent middle class, something that China does not have at the moment.

[Phead128]

@tohjohn1

Agreed.

5000 years of Imperial rule, ended in 1911, cannot be substituted by democracy in any form immediately.

It requires affluent middle class, not like India's democracy with majority poor.

It is only after the manufacturing stage of Taiwan, Singapore, and South Korea did they transition from dictatorships into democracies, only when they became advanced economies.

[stealthpakfa]

when it comes to human rights abuses, america is the worst.

murder, assassinations, rape, torture, dropping nukes on civilians, bribes, fraud, war crimes, slavery, etc are all trademarks of american culture, tradition and history.

[MiLSeLrAhC]

when u owe ppl 900bill usd.... u got ntg to say...

[MaLeizi]

I wonder what he actually means by 'China needs democracy'? Does he know what it is exactly?

[myronkelly67]

bill gertz is the real deal and needs to be listened to.....dude is on it, in it u name it he is the truth.

[stealthpakfa]

@myronkelly67

[stealthpakfa]

@myronkelly67

america is a tyranical empire that is hell bend on exterminating the entire human race.

america is like the nazis on steroids.

[robertico420]

Lol..."china may expand into Russia for resources" XD

Right after Russia does some population control and completely decimates China with its nuclear arsenal XD

[robertico420]

"the reason China is a threat, is because its ruled by a NUCLEAR dictatorship"

LOL...ie: the US cant control or pressure china into anything XD

For any tyrannical empire, what cant be controlled, is a threat.....lol

[jetgeo4]

don't start shit with the hounds...they have the soviets

[an1792]

the biggest trouble maker in the world is US. the problem for US is that china and Russia growing stronger and they dont give a fuck about US. they are kind of good friends with Iran which is major player in midel east and has lots of oil and gass.

[an1792]

Fox is full of hate and shit

[eat64]

The truth is that, US has great democray and chech&power at home, but receive no check abroad. That means the world is not a democracy among countries while US dictate all major issues. Absolute power leads to absolute abuse and aggression.

[gw2005]

i was being sarcastic towards the U.S., why u bitching at me?

[yahwehdirtydog]

The world has tired of American hegemony and had its fill of American arrogance. Americas reputation is in tatters: the financial debacle, endless red ink, Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, rendition, torture, illegal wars based on lies and deception, disrespect for the sovereignty of other countries, war crimes, disregard for international law and the Geneva Conventions, the assault on habeas corpus, constant interference in the internal affairs of other countries, boundless hypocrisy.

[hardsofty123]

and yet they still maintain unchallenged Power, seems like they must be doing something right

[japanesenasty]

again, does your country spell any troubles to other countries??

[japanesenasty]

America nation exist spell trouble to almost every countries........the most devil country in the world, shut your mouth.

[gw2005]

China needs democracy... mmm... look It's the U.S. talking!

[Chin3s3GuY916]

Ridiculous ! Here the Americans strating trouble again !

[ollllllll]

Free Native Indians in America. Kick out all the White people out.

If this shit don't make sense, stop saying free Tibet. Chinese will leave Tibet if white people leave America

[Kalydosos]

Agreed!

[singrider]

I think those 11 point are applied to USA too.

[that77guy]

Those Chinese hawks! America would NEVER test an anti-satellite missile...

[SINGADRAGON]

that77, don't speak too fast, America just tested anti-satellite missile over the Pacific just after your posting.

America want to dominate the space.

[that77guy]

yup. I was being sarcastic. Sorry it doesn't come across well in text

[holunhoyeah]

a booming china spells trouble for US but a booming US spells trouble for the whole world. china's using soft power to win friends but US's using hard power to loose friends.

[banzaidawan]

Holunhoyeah:  A good example of that is the 2001 bidding of the 2008 Olympics. 70 percent of the countries voted for Beijing, China.

[flyingbugubird]

Do you know why peole in other countries don't talk about american threat???COZ america is already a threate to world peace!

The most hated people in modern day is not communinists, it is AMERICANS! go and find a life, morons

[raven1234]

what do you expect, he is from fox cooperation.

[flyingbugubird]

that moron in vedio says, "chinese are stealing american military technologies".... I wonder what is his IQ! Those high tech stuffs aren't just one simple number which you can copy in math test!!!It is the general combining abilities in different areas. Unless american CIA are all dead and use their ass to think and work, I don't think chinese able to steal it. In another words, it is more realistic to steal white house back to CHINA...MORONS

[wolfgar271]

Sorry to rain on your parade but China has been buying or stealing US technology for many years. Industrial and military espionage is common as are political payoffs. Only a portion of Chinese technology was developed in China.

[flyingbugubird]

when you americans set up military bases around China, you say CHINA THREATE...

IT IS THREATEN CHINA!!! When chinse had already quit those shit cold war propaganda in 80s, but Yankees' news program like CNN and this, still are brainwashing americans over and over again.........I would say..WTF

Can you americans stop being so hypocrite!!! Those goody-goody shits make me puke

[lookyeahhohon]

theres no debate in any other country about if US is a threat...caus its like debating on if the sun will rise again tomorrow?? Americans are very sick n they badly need help or they will kill themselves b4 any other country does

[Youidiot07]

Oh yeah, The Art of War isn't that Sun Tsu?

[Youidiot07]

The US has the antimatter cannon. China want its on the moon.

America vs China. Two dfferent people. The US, a nation of consumers and materialism. A China, massive factories and production for cheap wages, no unions, health benefits. Is America commtting human right abuse?

[lookyeahhohon]

is america committing human right abuse?? you mean in their black community, hispanic or asian community? plesas simpily type in " american human right abuse" on your broswer, you can spend the next two weeks on it.

[wolfgar271]

Sorry but times have changed my friend. The racial tensions of the past are in the past. And those that live in glass houses should not throw stones. Why don't we ask a Tibetan about China's actions? Or India who seems to be getting smaller as China pushes it's border? Or all the people slaughtered in Tiananmen Square? Oh, and let's not forget China's support of North Korea who kills it's own people on a daily basis. Run all of that in your browser.

[lookyeahhohon]

Unfair trade???whos asking u to trade, if unfair, just dont trade with china..if you can afford, if you cant, shut the fuck up and continue to be our slaves. US can bully other small nations and we are bullying US to get even for the smaller nations. The world loves China.....!!!!!!

[justawordaway]

The world doesn't love china. You are wrong. They like chineese people but they hate their greedy commie government. China has problems with every neighbouring countries.

[diuleeseafood]

The world does love China if theres only US and China to choose from. China's contribution to the world economy is undeniable..US and lots of european countries would have faced terrible inflation if it wasnt china. the US government did a good job in demonizing China and lots of ignorant people do buy this kind of shits though..time will tell.

[lookyeahhohon]

Why dont we talk about how the US stole China's technology in gunpowder and campus which later developted into nuclear bomb and GPS respectively...Americans are really full of shits.

[zenlover1]

How a campus becomes GPS? I don't understand. Could you please be more clear? Thank you,

[holunhoyeah]

Compass, not campus..very simple, Compass is the fundamentals of all navagation system or device, if we cant tell our direction, we dont know where we are?? Printing and paper too, if it wasnt invented, no knowledge can be passed down from generaton to generation b4 computer was invented, Gunpowder too, witout gunpowder, the westners cannot bully or invade other countries and the world be so different today.

[Delpiero10juventus10]

I hate USA ..

Go china GO ..

[danpt2000]

16,000 pieces of debris from Anti-satellite test? Wow, did someone actually flew up there and came up with that number?

[momoisdrug]

Look, heres the fact. China will retaliate to any threat made to its government, land and people. If any dickhead country is follish enough to do that, they'll get their ass kicked. China will triumph! xD

[justawordaway]

Lol if needed your commie government will slaughter your own people now please stop yelling about it. You should know by now how bad is your communist government. Try asking for democracy and see how your nice government treats you. Btw I dun hate chineese people I know most of them are nice.

[momoisdrug]

Its not Russian communist! Its chinese styled!

China is getting richer thanks to its exports and trades.

(We're rich! xD)

[chapsroc]

Bill Gertz salvos' purpose was to lay out the moral "superiority" of American Crusades against China. Its aimed audients were American Christian Fundametalists.

[MarkWeiShi]

I've read throught the comments, and most of them just reconfirmed my perceptions that youtube postings for political videos are wrangles and yelling.

Although I am a Chinese, I don't see much sense in the pro-China posts refuting the idea of China threat. Why can't we lay down more hard facts plus convincing analysis rather than mere claims?

I think the debate is quite good and beneficial for the general western audience to understand more about what's going on in China.

[chrisarmes17]

A couple of questions for you. Why doesn't your country value your currency properly? Why is China the biggest emmiter of pollution in the industialized world? 30% of Californias pollution is attributed to China. Why is your country still a dictatorship?

[xiaobaogebao]

Do I really have to? Drivel can only be taken in small amounts.

[gmoneymaster24]

LoL..intellectual property theft??? ya you mean like sub prime loans that the banks give poor americans to screw them out of the little bit of money they have?

[whamii]

So the us can do all this things but china can't??

Hypocresy my friends, at its best.

[xiaobaogebao]

Events on the ground will make this person's entire argument moot. Economics and interchange, and responsible leadership will make the difference. Couching the argument in terms of threat can become a self-fulfilling prophecy. Just keep on trading, learning, traveling, and exchanging in every way...and over time China will change, responsible leaders will again emerge in the U.S. and we can move forward in a non-conflict driven world. Finally, this guy has a small dick.

[gqhfd]

yes, china is a trouble to US if the US is a trouble to the world

[ioaz10]

americans are so stupid.

[tuttle572]

If it was not for Americans, Canada would not even exist in its present form. Canadians do not have the testicular fortitude to fight for freedom.

[popoTb]

the GUY is a KKK! America is rule by a Dumb and has problems with the english language, dictator G.W BUSH.

if you American want to brain wash your citizens ! then go ahead. If you americans WANT WAR that badly! Then PLEASe invade China!

BUT CHINA WILL NOT and DOESNT want war!

we are not a threat!

DONT FEAR CHINA BUT EMBRACE IT

DONT HATE CHINA BUT LOVE IT

to my americans friends (chinese person)

[bg24955]

oldest thoery on earth

[setanta333]

yeah,yeah,yeah weapons of mass destruction,did America not attack Iraq with mass destruction because of what,,,,,wise up America,,,America is the the new Britain i,e,hated around the world,,,get rid of your president