iim from greece and im very intrestend abt history and abt 1912 in north greece.and i read this article in the website bulgmak and i findit so propaganda what skopje whand show.fyrom builld his own history cause the dont have history.im not nationalist ore extreme right.bud the true is that skopje is macedonia bud its not belong to the slavic race bud to hellenism alexander the great whas greek not slavic
its a city of heroes Emanouil papas was 1 of the most known fighters of revolution of 1821 from the turks.Also there is 1 fortress called Roupel is a most known fortress against the bulgarians in ww2 1940.
@STGhumanity Constantinopol was greek place but now is Istambul... seres was greek ,then bulgarian , then greeks came and kill or deport the bulgarians from there and now is again greek... tomorow maybe "macedonians will come or bulgarians again ...
"Serres is the largest town of the interior of eastern Macedonia. The tobacco trade had brought considerable wealth to its 30,000 inhabitants; and it possessed in its churches, schools and hospitals the outward signs of the public spirit of its Greek community. The villages around it are Bulgarian to the north and west, but a rural Greek population approaches it from the south and east. "
Dr. Klugmann's evidence, given to us in person, is valuable as a description of the way in which the Bulgarian civilians of Serres were hunted down and arrested. The Commission finds this evidence irresistible, and is forced to conclude that a massacre of Bulgarians to the number of about two hundred, most of them inoffensive and noncombatant civilians, was carried out in Serres by the Greek militia with revolting cruelty.
the globally unknown population of former yugoslav republic of macedonia was "baptised" macedonian from bulgarian in 1946 from the communist yugoslav leader TITO as a counterweight to bulgarian teritorial claims in yugoslavias vardarska province (renamed macedonia by the same leader) , after the fall of communism they emerged as an independent state in 1992 and 15 years after they promote their new identity as macedonians and their new goal the "united macedonia" openly claiming greek teritory
Ha-ha-ha keep your nervеs friend. We all see you have mentally problems. It's not necessary to shout so that your misery be understood from everybody in the World. It's obvious who is looser.
Nice work VMOPO im Greek and these FYROMise are so pathetic i feel sorry for them,i tried to you tube GOCE DELCHEV BULGARIAN HERO but the video is no longer available those FYROM gypsys must of deleted it
Greets greek friend. We had a lot of problems in the past in the history but the future is ours just have to say and reveal the truth about our mutual relations.
There is no enough materials for so emphatically results. You need huge fundamental of blood bank of people more the 100 000. In Bulgaria and Fyrom and maybe nowhere near are made such complex research. Everyone can do approximately kind of research and speak what one want. The Imagination is on your side man keep on movin
This is not science but scince fiction. Data from fabricated and untrustworthy source, just fyromian propaganda and Fyromian wonnabe Dreamland or Never Never Land. Fyro stay cool in your dreams. cheers
Pathetic logic. Man you are delusional. If there is no Macedonian nation and self awareness then how do you explain 5 million people ALL AROUND THE WORLD. Or you blame that on the communist to?
Being angry for losing an argument is not considered a fact. A fact is the writing on the cross MACEDONIA. Not a trace of Bulgaria.
Macedonians fought for their own independent country. And that is a fact you can never deny. Look at the videos again and think of a more creative way to explain that, cause Tito was not in the picture in 1922.
Let people decide, dont agitate by stating your propaganda.
Macedonia is just a geographic region, neither country nor nation. The claims of former titoidic commie fyromians to be something great and ancient are ludicrous and nutty. Clowns. FYROM is the only Orwell country in the World of the historical forgery and polished brains.
There is no fyromian "macedonian" nation. Just yugoslavian communist propaganda. IMRO leaders like Gotse Delchev and the majority of population of Vardar Macedonia was and will be BULGARIAN. FACTS!!! The time of fyromian post commie lies has come.
И като ги пуснеш какво. Аз го имам този запис в оригинал и на тези протести се виждат българи от Македония, за които географския район Македония е роден дом. Гледай да не ти пусна аз на какъв литературен български език говорят на тези протести да не си умреш на мъка ! :))
Разлика между Македонска Политическа Организация и Македонска Патриотична Организация нема. Има си литература по въпроса защо са ползвали и двете. Ако не си игнорант и не те мързи вземи да четеш. МРО са истинските наследници на истинското ВМОРО и ВМРО - българското.
Важно е дека Гоце Делчев се борел за слободата на МАКЕДОНИЈА. Не на Бугарија, ами на МАКЕДОНИЈА. Шо сакате појќе јас незнам, ова е видео и јасно можи да се види и не е можно да се фалсификува.
Гоце е бил българин и се е декларирал като такъв. Какво си ви мътили мозъците на вас фиромите не е важно за света. Важна е истината и тя е Гоце както и всички герои и целия народ са се борили за свободата на българите в Македония.
СВОБОДА е казал Гоце фиромска пичко не сЛобода. Забий си го с пирон в тъпия мозък. И на мен ми е кеф да разбивам илюзиите на фиромските простаци за селско величие.
Не се нервирам, просто ми омръзна от селските ви хитринки и простотии. Вас са ви работили в мозъците сърби и сърбо-комунистите близо 90 години и техните деца мекерета продължават да го правят. В България и Македония живее един народ БЪЛГАРСКИ
Гоце е бил велика личност на времето си надскочила тесно етническото си българско чувство и е бил за Македония на всички етноси, на 1 место българския, като най-голям в Македония.
хе хе немало стандартен македонски язик, знаеш зошто е немало, защото е немало македонска югославска комунистическа титова нация креирани от Коминтерна и комунистическа Югославия на фундамента на българското етническо население в Македония и са ви изпрали мозъците.
What Bulgarians? 1:30 pause and read the saying on the cross. Тука почива Гоце Делчев борец за слободата НА МАКЕДОНИЈА Here rests Goce Delchev a fighter for the freedom OF MACEDONIA After that how can you even call him Bulgarian, he was a MACEDONIAN and fought for the freedom of MACEDONIA
Yes, but NO, there's written SVOBODA in Bulgarian languge, not sLoboda in serbian or forge fyromian. Macedonia is just a geographical region, not ethnic one. Macedonians are greek, bulgarians, albanians etc, but not fyromians who are serbianized mestizos.:))
The Bulgarian ruler Tervel did help the byzantine emperor Justinian II in 705
A mere 3 years later, Justinian II himself violated this arrangement and apparently commenced military operations to recover the ceded area. Tervel routed him at the Battle of Anchialus (or Ankhialo) in 708.
In 711, faced by a serious revolt in Asia Minor, Justinian again sought the aid of Tervel, but obtained only lukewarm support manifested in an army of 3,000.
I notice some Greek gays(like the scriber AI.) writing here where probably a sleep in their history classes.
I am going to help them for free on the Byzantine history so that they dont spread any more stupidity and desinformation world wide.
717-718 The Arab siege of Constantinople
According to the Theophanes, the Bulgars under Tervel slaughtered some 22,000 Arabs in the battle before Constantinople.That way the Bulgarians saved the city until 1453.
Militias active in the region of Serres, led by Yane Sandanski and an insurgent detachment of the Supreme Committee, held down a large Turkish force. These actions began on the day of the Feast of the Cross (Krastovden in Bulgarian, September 27)
The fact that Gruevski is being spitefully provincial & is trying to raise issues and hatred does not mean that he needs to be legitimised. Instead of moving forward he is dragging his country down a deep Balkan abyss. Unfortunately he was only recently voted in by a near majority of FYROM's population. That only means that the Slav Macedonians have been deeply poisoned by that peculiar Balkan nationalism that has been so successfully used by external powers over and over.
Greece's conduct in Macedonia after 1913 was and is trying true genocide and terror to erase everything Bulgarian even graveyards in the area.
You can NOT perpetrate crimes against humanity and have them unpunished by the International community. The vital thing for preservation of the peace in the Balkans is the recognition of all the evil done from everyone and not hide it.
ok, braairsa, since you insist about past crimes, (and while we are speaking here of Serres) do you want to start with the fire the Bulgarian army put to torch and burned and destroyed the whole city of Serres as they were retreating in 1913, leaving the whole population, Turks, Greeks, Jews, Armenians, Slavs, poor people most of them homeless for years. Or the attrocities of the Bulgarian army that followed the Nazis into Greece in '41? You wanna be friends? Let's forget the past my friend!
WHATT??????? BANITSA A BULGARIAN VILLAGE!! YOU ARE BLOODY FOOL MY DEAR ENEMY FROM BULGARIA! GOCE DELCEV WAS BORN IN KUKUS NOW KILKIS(the greeks renamed all macedonian towns,rivers,mountains when they occupied macedonia!) MACEDONIA WAS IS AND WILL BE FOR THE MACEDONIANS! NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU DIVIDE US IT MAKES US STRONGER AND UNITES OUR NATION SPREAD ACROSS THE WORLD! OUR TIME IS NOW ! SOON THERE WILL BE NO BULGARIA AND GREECE AND ALBANIA TOO !
Banitsa was a Bulgarian village as well as Kukush ans Sjar were predominantly Bulgarian with large Greek minorities. There is no evidence of "Macedonian" ethnicity prior to 1944 when it was CREATED following a resolution of the Comintern published in "Makedonsko delo" in 1934 (under Serbian influence of cource). The Macedonian "nation" idea is a political doctrine. If it was not Communist Yugoslavia, you'd be an upright Bulgarian nationalist, my friend.
Kilkis was mostly Bulgarian Slavic before the Balkan wars, but not Serres my friend. nobody was majority but the largest group was Turks, followed closely by Greeks, then way way down were Bulgarians, Jews, Gypsies, Armenians etc. In Thessaloniki also, VERY few Slavs/Bulgarians. Most were Jews, followed by Muslims then Greeks. Greeks of Thessaloniki and Serres were massacred in pogroms by muslims in the thousands in the 1820's during 1821 revolution.
Hahahahha a Bulgarian and a FYROMian are quarreling over Banitsa!!! Hilarious , priceless!
Greeks renamed all Macedonia after they occupation!!! For example we renamed the city that Alexander build as Solun to Thessaloniki! A hahahaha You are helpless!
Well I have only one thing to tell you both! Come and get it!
Well I can live with that you know! The only bad thing that Greeks did was that they did not cleaned (disinfected would be more appropriate ) Makedonia and Thrace completely, so we would not have pieces of shit like you today!!!
Ei little piece of shit! You seem to forget who collaborated with the nazis during WWII! Yoy found the opportunity as usual to infiltrate in Macedonia and make your own thing ... Murders and lootings! You seem to forget to that if there were not the Greeks to make the revolution against the Turks during 1821 , that spread to whole Balkans , today you would speak Turkish! Muhahahaha ass hole!
In that case it seems that Greeks discovered Nazi party before Hitler ! Hahahahaha . If you want me to mind my language then mind your language first! I see that you are familiar with the Greek language , malaka.
Malaka, you for once you are right, it doesn't seems.
Some history for you, 718 Bulgarian forces save your Byzantine asses from Arabs at Constantinople - if it wasn't for the Bulgarians you will be Ahmed now.
Well this might happen in your dreams! I wonder where did you learn history. When the Bulgarians aimed the Greeks? And anyway that does not change the facts. And the facts are that we were the shield of Europe against Anatolians for centuries and that we revolted against the Turks , resulting the liberation of the Balkans. All the others are cheap talk from cheap cowards like your self flat nose pig!
Mais vos grand-pères furent des assassins...murders and lyers. This was an ancient hellenic tradition . I hope that Greece will be destroyed for him behaviour... God see everything.
Wikipedia(INTERNET)''Following the archaeological discoveries of the20th century,modern scholars now agree that the ancient Macedonians were in fact of Greek origin''HERODOTUS wrote:"for during the reign of Deucalion,Phthia was the country in which the Hellenes dwelt,but under Dorus,the son of Hellen, they moved to the tract at the base of Ossa and Olympus, which is called Histiaeotis;they settled,under the name of Macedonians,in the chain of Pindus..they became known as Dorians"MACEDONIA=GREECE
The ancient Macedonians may have been Greeks, but not the current ones. Plenty of sources prove the majority were Bulgarians - sources from 1800s-1920s. The ethnic composition of the Greek part of Macedonia was drastically changed after the Balkan Wars. I agree that Greece should defend its history from FYROM, but noone has the right to claim the name Macedonia today. The ancient Macedonians are long gone. Macedonia is a geographic name - nothing more.
VWaudiRULEs : You are correct to say that macedonia is a Geographic term. This is how Greeks feel. We know that Acnient Macedonians were Greek and we defend our history and culture on that respect. We know that in during Byzantium and later on Ottoman empires the populations were a total mix, Slavs, Vlachs, Greeks, Muslims, Jews, etc. Take Thrace as an example: Three countries have Thrace divided, yet none claims to be the true Thracian! The cultural/ethnic irredentism of Skopja is the problem!
yes, definetely, but I have to say, I feel a little uncomfortable when some Greeks say "Macedonia is Greece",or "there is only one Macedonia and it's Greek". Let's not forget what happened in the Aegean in 1913, how it's ehtnic composition was changed. I'm not saying we have territorial claims, but I feel a lot of Greek people are forgetting or just don't know.
the "Macedonia is Greek" translated in English is not a good slogan, most Greeks know that. It does not mean "FYROM is Greek", by any stretch! It came about as a reaction to FYROM claiming it's "Macedonia" so Greeks felt like: "So what the hell is OUR Macedonia then?" The answer was: It is Greek! When we say Macedonia, we refer to OUR Macedonia. Greeks refuse to accept FYROM as even belonging to what was historic Macedonia, & they have ancient (not Ottoman) geography & history on their side.
Bulgaria refuses to accept Fyrom as belonging to ancient Macedonia as well, whether Ancient Macedonia was Greek, half Greek or w.e. But Macedonia is divided now between 3 countries, and it hasn't really been Greece for a long time. Even Thessaloniki had a huge Bulgarian minority until the Balkan Wars. Of course Bulgaria must also have been guilty of excesses, but we are unbelievably tolerant people. The Carnegie report on the Balkan Wars gives a good picture. Here's one thing that should be
There is no doubt what ancient Macedonians were and that is pretty clear! Territorial Macedonia today is indeed divided and 53% belongs to Greece!In Thessaloníki until WW II lived a huge minority of Hebrews but that does not mean that Thessaloníki belongs to Israel! Now about the atrocities I am sorry to tell you that you started first way before Balkans wars during 1900 and you finished last during WW II! And these are recorded as well!
The PM of Macedonia officially brought up th eissue of a Macedonian minority in Greece. What Greece should now say is, that there never were Macedonians in those lands, but Bulgarians. Bulgaria would not claim any land, Fyrom will be completely devastated, and relations between Greece and Bulgaria would really open up. Since we are both in the EU, there is no riks of clearing the history once and forever.
Greece already admits that there were not Macedonians and it not hard to understand that they are Bulgarians judging the language they speak. FYROMIAN are Bulgarian speaking with Slavish origin and Greek history ! lol!
I don't think a lot of people really know about it. Fyromians don't really have Greek history - they have Bulgarian history, but in order to keep their fake identity, they invented themselves as the ancient Macedonians - stole history from Greece and Bulgaria.we didn't claim Thessaloniki - the line went north of it. As for us starting first, show me! The records say otherwise. Finishing last as well - the Greek civil war was after WWII, and I have caught a lot of Greeks giving us credit for
Nazi crimes. It's a little hypocritical to talk about crimes after what Greece did during the Balkan wars, but I don't want to start a fight. I have already said what should be done. I don't think it will be that hard
How can you say that Macedonians are Bulgarians or Greeks. dont u understand that it is a shame for macedonians to say they are any of those... i hope u understand that some day. Macedonia for the Macedonians
Bulgaria's conduct in Macedonia under the Axis WAS SETTLING OLD SCORES by trying to reverse the process of Hellenization in the area prior to 1913. Anyway, hopefully it's all in the past. The one vital thing for preservation of peace in the Balkans is the THE PRESERVATION OF EXTANT BORDERS. that's why all this bullshit with Kosovo, Montenegro, and Republica Vardarska going independent is feeding powder to the keg.
Of course ANY nation in the Balkans that might have come in possession of Macedonia would have followed THE SAME process of said proselytizing. This is not said in order to excuse anything, just to put it in perspective.
petdou1: Thank you fort those numbers. This is how I interpret them:
a)there ISN'T 1.2 million Bulgarians in Macedonia prior to the Balkan Wars
b)there IS considerable Greek presence (as I've been saying all along).
This DOESN'T mean that, after 1913, there wasn't a SYSTEMATIC process to Hellenize the non-Greek populations (sometimes forcefully, including atrocities).
1.2 million exterminated? Do you have sources that are NOT Bulgarian? NO! A genocide of such size would be documented in the report of the Carnegie commission. Though atrociteies were comitted by EVERYONE in the Balkan wars (have you heard of the Greek village of Doxato by the way?--or are your nationalistic blinders big enough to cover your ears as well?), there is 1.2 million ANYWHERE in the foreign sources. Atrocities were comited by EVERYONE including Bulgaria. You gave as good as you got.
You just read the sources and they are not Bulgarian.
I assume you hard for Seres school massacre where only for four days your Greek population slaughter 250 Bulgarian peasant from the town of Ser and the surrounding area - their only guilt was that they where Bulgarians - and this is happen long before Doxato to happen, did you know about the village of Zagorichane now under Greek occupation where your andarts slaughter a wedding 79 people in 1905.
Oh, by the way, nice photos of Hitler. When you embraced fascism in order to liberate the "lost homelands", you also employed the same tactics of executions, deportations, and atrocities against civilians. Oh, I forget, it was all OK because "this was ours" to begin with, right? Which brings me to my previous comment about your world. Peace.
Don't you worry, my world is not confined by nationalistic blinders like yours ;) I watched the clip you mentioned and I was enlightened to find out that a)ancient Macedonia was indeed part of the greater Greek world b)Bulgarians arrive in the 600's :( c)the population of the region, as I've always suspected was,is, and probably will be mixed. So, what is your point?
The fact that there were Bulgarians there of course is true, ALONG WITH ALL THE OTHER NATIONALITIES that I've mentioned. And, by the way, it's this mentality that I like to call 'cold war". You seem smart enough, you'll figure it out ;)
Search with this sentence and you will have answers on you questions - you won't like the answers, they don't fit you world. "Bulgaria,Macedonia and Greece-the issue"
Also, prove that Macedonian population was 50% Bulgarian ART ANY GIVEN point in the history of the region. Actually, under the Ottomans the region was a hodge-podge of ethnicities, Greeks, Bulgarians, Serbs, Roma, Albanians, Vlachs, you name it. How come all of a sudden it becomes "50% Bulgarian"?
Not to say that there wasn't a considerable element of Greeks in Ottoman Macedonia. The region was well known for its MIXED population. ANYONE who moved in (Serbs, Greeks, Bulgarians) would follow a policy of forced preselytization of the villagers to his own religion and language. EVERYONE of course massacred the Muslim inhabitants INCLUDiNG the Bulgarian troops. No one would have allowed 50% of macedonia's population to remain Bulgar untill 1941
This filmet is in the spirit of cold war and against the principle of cooperative neighboring that both Greece and Bulgaria have been following post-WW II. Please lets keep it that way.
I repeat: this film was made during the WW II occupation of Greek Macedonia, it is provocatory in its content, and cannot be used as historical evidence of genocide by the Greeks!
The reverse is true, when atrocities were committed by the other side. You cannot victimize the inhabitants, kick them out, move in your own people, and then make a film about how "oppressed" you are!
Leave the empty threats aside and lets see how we can work to improve the region.
I repeat: Where are bulgarians of the region now ? At the begining of 20 century bulgarians have been approximately. 75% of the all population of the region. After greek occupation of the region in 1913 and after a lot of atrocities and commited genocide, bulgarian population at the begining of 1941 was near 50%. I repeat: Where are the bulgarians now??? To become real friends according EU principles we have to say the truth each other. Greets.
VMOPO: Where is your evidence that at 1941 the population was 50% Bulgarian? Are you serious? EVERYONE in the Balkans foolows policies of population replacement INCLUDING Bulgarians. So, there is a good chance that the mecedonian population becomes increasingly Hellenized IMMEDIATELY after 1912-13. THERE IS NO WAY THAT GREECE WOULD OWN THE REGION FOR HALF A CENTURY AND ALLOW 50% BULAGARIAN POPULATION TO REMAIN.
What you are not mentioning is that this is taking place during the Nazi OCCUPATION during which Boulgarian troops occupied Greek macedinia and comitted atrocities. 130,000 villagers were displaced and replaced with Bulgarian populations. NO ONE IS HOLY in the area, you have comitted the exact same things you accuse greeks of comitting in 1912-13. Bye bye.
Sorry guys, we got here first! Anyway, when the last greek soldier drops dead, you can make your plans come true! till then , please do us a favor : dream on!!
Razbiram greshkata si - v zhelanieto si da se pomestja v 500 simvola czitiraiki ne sum pomestil mestata kudeto se spomenava che tochno gurzcite ot Ser sa klali bulgarite.VMRO - davam ti pravoto da iztriesh moite zcitati i da gi pomestish ako mozhesh zcjalostno.
THE SCHOOLHOUSE MASSACRE AT SERRES. George T. Belev, of Strumnitsa, a Protestant, aged 32.June 25, we were taken to the bishop's palace to appear before a commission.Captain Doukas, and many Greeks of the town...Thirteen of these were slaughtered on the second story, and we heard their cries. We still hoped that a selection would be made, and that we should not all be killed.
Among the executioners was Charalambi Popov, a Grecized Bulgarian, the same baker in whose house I was arrested. The others were inhabitants of Serres, and two vlachs belonging to the Greek party from Poroi. One named Christo often came to Strumnitsa, and many a time I have gone surety for him. The other who is lame is named Tzeru, and knows no Greek.He killed with a yataghan, with which he severed the head from the body. The others used Martini bayonets...
I was taken with three others, two of them men from Dibra.I went first and the executioner followed with his bayonet in his hand.We were half dead with fear, and could hardly walk. Through the door of the room I could see slaughtered men, and some who were still alive and groaning. One was decapitated. The room was full, and the bodies lay two or three on top of each other. There was no room for me. Then the executioner made me go to another little room which was empty.
It was my acquaintance the vlach, Christo. I took one step into the room, and at the next step he struck me in the neck. The force of the blow was broken by my collar, but I fell on my face. He then put his foot on my back, and struck me six blows with the bayonet, on my back, behind my ear, under the right jaw, and in the throat.
The Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, Report of the International Commission to Inquire into the Causes and Conduct of the Balkan Wars (Washington, DC: The Endowment, 1914).
The reality is one. Macedonia is a region. It was inhabited by greek-speaking population from ancient times until 6th AD. Then there came Bulgarians and other Slavs. Greeks decreased and large part of the region was inhabited mainly by bulgarians. In 20th century after Balkan wars greeks took again part of the region from Turks and Bulgars. But there are no "Macedonians" as a nation, especially a nation related with Alexander the Great, a famous greek-speaking macedonian of ancient times
..In the same way that greeks from Pontos and Asia Minor moved to Macedonia after its liberation in order to support the greek population of the area, wich was for years bulgarian. I am greek and im not afraid to tell the truth.
The so-called "Macedonians" are Slav Macedonians, or Bulgar Macedonians. They are Bulgars living in Macedonia who decided to create their own state. For example Cypriots are Cypriots because they live in Cyprus. But South Cypriots are Greeks and North Cypriots are Turks, and many of them moved there from Eastern Turkey inorder to enlarge turkcypriot population.
Macedonia has its own interests and its own politics which belong to the Macedonians. The one who works for joining of Macedonia to Bulgaria, Greece, or Serbia, can consider himself as a good Bulgarian, Greek, or Serb, but not as good Macedonian
Goce Delchev has never said that. This is a fyromian fake, of course. The real quote belongs to Dimitar Talev, great Bulgarian writer from Prilep, Vardar Macedonia. His liryc hero in his book "Ilinden" Sofia 1961, 4-issue, page 324 has said:
Macedonia has its own interests and own politics and belongs to every macedonians, one who desires, one who works for joining [Macedonia] to Bulgaria or Greece, could think oneself as a good Bulgarian or good Greek, but could not be good macedonian.
... Such a Bulgarian or Greek supports everlasting misunderstanding of balkanian nations, these have to live in brother friendship in between to be more happy. Macedonia belongs to all of macedonians, without diference between religions, nations and languages, in future free Macedonia and through her intermediation will be united all of the balkanian nations.
Dimitar Talev, "Ilinden", Sofia 1961, 4-issue, page 324
I can't understand why you name the coffe elinika caffe. Is the same cofee like in Romania and in all over the world. Another free information for you: the plant of coffe was discovered on the teritory of Ethiopia by a goatherd.
Which thing you don't understand? If came somebody from outside of Romania and say to you that you aren't Romanians and all your history it belongs to him, what you would make? As for the ancient time, you said: COLONIES not the place of birth of our History. (don't say nonsense, Also the french said the coffee cafe :) )
I am Greek and we will live will this country with peace. But they have to respect our sensibilities. They want to be proclaimed as Rep. of Macedonia and claim all macedonian history. This is not accepted by almost all Greeks. and greeks who write in these forums are SOMETIMES like racists, i agree.
In the Ancient period there were greeks colonies in the souhtern teritory of Italy, on the teritory of Turkey, in the southern France and on the teritor of my country Romania. That means that now greek, have to counquest all this countries?! I started to believe that SOME greeks are racists( no the persons that I know in Athens-they are extraordinary).
I'm from Romania and I respect the greeks( I'm a fan of Greece, ahving a lot of friends there and visiting this country often) and the bulgarians. What I can't understand is why greeks claim teritories in a independent state like FYROM. Borders can be changed only by referendum or by war. But Greece is a democracy so there it can't be any war.
Goce Delcev Is Greek and is called Kostas Deltsos or Gotsos Deltsos. Also the hero Tsar Samuil is called Tsaros Samuilos and he is Greek!!! Long live The Greek heroes!!! revolution against antigreeks!!! Long live all the Greeks!!!
We never claimed that bulgarian heroes are greeks. The all problem is that people in newly-found state of FYROM callthemselves macedonians and claim that all macedonian history belongs to them. That is paralogism. "Macedonian" is not a national but a geographical term. I am Thracean. I live in Xanthi, Western Thrace and I am greek. There are Thraceans that live in north Thrace and are Bulgarians and Thraceans at Istanbul are Turks. It's so simple
O.k. I am from Serres, I dont feel neither bulgar or "makedon". In my conscience (and all over the people here) I am GREEK. This video is a filthy propaganda from bulgarians. I read many strange things about Greeks on this post (racists, faggots, etc). O.k. you are the best nations and what should the greeks do? Are we to wait the bulgarians and "macedonians" to humiliate us with such funny videos?
It s the SuperPowers that are calling the shots, just like they attacked Serbia. Your right the Republic doesn t have army, unfortunately, Condolezza Rice, the has told the Ukraine not sell Macedonia any Military helicopters. Happily, she s telling the Greek Government to recognize Macedonia under it s democratic name
zimzon, so all the Fyromians lining up for Bulgarian passports, are they taking ESL no BSL courses lol(Bulgarian as second language) no no, they are right at home, its 95% the same language, 50 diff words. You definately must be from Bouf?
Asparuh and Khan, the great Mongol Kings that today s bulgarians celebrate. Even today, Aspraruh is a Bulgarian name. So celebrate your Mongol Kings, and please don t tell Macedonians that Asparuh and Khan are part of Macedonian Heritage.
If Macedonians from the Republic getting Bulgarians passports, that s because they want to try to come over to England and then to Canada. Economic reasons purely. Alot of Macedonians came to Canada with Greek passports and Turkish passports, but I m sure you ll agree they weren t Greek or Turkish
"ethnic" Macedonian revolutionary...and those words of him you tell are they from an other "new history"..Is your history really ready? I though it was under contraction like your language 60 years ago....
--> but could not be good macedonian. Such a Bulgarian or Greek support everlasting misunderstanding of balkanian nations, these have to live in brother friendship in between to be more happy. Macedonia belongs to all of macedonians, without diference between religions, nations and languages in Future Free Macedonia and through her intermediary will be united all of the balkanian nations.
Delchev was a great man and a visionary Bulgarian who wanted peace. Correct me if I am wrong, I think the film was made by the fascist Bulgarians in occupied Greece during WWII, Delchev would have been against what those fascists stood for.
It is great stupidity - ethnic Macedonian. Macedonia is a geogrphical region and includes 3 parts of Vardar, Aegean and Pirin Macedonia. The population of Vardar Macedonia is mainly ethnical BULGARIANS, mainly brainwashed. Ethnic macedonians had disapeared before 2200 years. There is no more foolish thing as a FYROM-ian communist post yugoslavian propaganda. It is very easy even for a child to prove contrary to your fyromian doctrine of subsistence of tne ethnic fyromian macedons.
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Kadinec19 7 months ago
iim from greece and im very intrestend abt history and abt 1912 in north greece.and i read this article in the website bulgmak and i findit so propaganda what skopje whand show.fyrom builld his own history cause the dont have history.im not nationalist ore extreme right.bud the true is that skopje is macedonia bud its not belong to the slavic race bud to hellenism alexander the great whas greek not slavic
kabanis34 1 year ago
@kabanis34 pote phge h makedonia sta skopia ???????
ena mikro komati ths xoras ton skopion einai makedonia.
h propaganda tous einai toso dunath?
na pisteuoume ki emeis oti einai makedonia ?
ellamou 9 months ago
makedonija e bugarska ili grcka ili neznam kakva a,abe edna e makedonija vo koja sto ziveat makedonci,a zosto tolku se plasete od nas makedoncite a
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THIS VIDEO IS SCARY PROPAGANDA CRAZY LIES
MACEDONIA IS GREEK / HELLENIC
MACEDONIANS ARE GREEKS / HELLENES
unfukkkmee 1 year ago
Tърженствено.....
DanubeBulgar 1 year ago
az ne znam, sho trasite sega, na 2010 god. sas propagandata od 1940....?
leftosmacleftos 1 year ago
At 1943 Serres was occupied by Bulgarian army.
IstorTheMacedonian 1 year ago
Zasho Balgarite?
Me4taete ot neshto, koeto ne pridnaleji na vas, kato 1940 sas Hitler?
leftosmacleftos 1 year ago
Ти виждал ли си поне един документ или снимка от '41-'44 в Мкд?!?!?!?! Айде да мислиш преди да говориш
pittoBG 1 year ago
@pittoBG
ay be pitto......MKD e garcia i nishto drugo!
leftosmacleftos 1 year ago
Zasho Balgarite?
Me4taete ot neshto, koeto ne pridnaleji na vas, kato 1940 sas Hitler?
leftosmacleftos 1 year ago
Zashto me4taete za neshto, koyto ne prinadleji na vas, kato 1940 sas Hilter?
leftosmacleftos 1 year ago
its a city of heroes Emanouil papas was 1 of the most known fighters of revolution of 1821 from the turks.Also there is 1 fortress called Roupel is a most known fortress against the bulgarians in ww2 1940.
STGhumanity 2 years ago
serres is the ancient city which called siris from the books of IRODOTOS and was ancient greek place.
STGhumanity 2 years ago
@STGhumanity Constantinopol was greek place but now is Istambul... seres was greek ,then bulgarian , then greeks came and kill or deport the bulgarians from there and now is again greek... tomorow maybe "macedonians will come or bulgarians again ...
kingIoanAsen 2 years ago
@STGhumanity
TIMES 1913
"Serres is the largest town of the interior of eastern Macedonia. The tobacco trade had brought considerable wealth to its 30,000 inhabitants; and it possessed in its churches, schools and hospitals the outward signs of the public spirit of its Greek community. The villages around it are Bulgarian to the north and west, but a rural Greek population approaches it from the south and east. "
KINGGIBARA 1 year ago
@STGhumanity
Dr. Klugmann's evidence, given to us in person, is valuable as a description of the way in which the Bulgarian civilians of Serres were hunted down and arrested. The Commission finds this evidence irresistible, and is forced to conclude that a massacre of Bulgarians to the number of about two hundred, most of them inoffensive and noncombatant civilians, was carried out in Serres by the Greek militia with revolting cruelty.
KINGGIBARA 1 year ago
@KINGGIBARA
pyshish kur gracko, s komunisti4ka propaganda od 1940
leftosmacleftos 1 year ago
Tuka se Makedoncite, Makedonija e ziva!!!
Koskite mu pocvvat vo segasnata stolica Skopje , a idnata Solun.
karanfiliii 2 years ago
@karanfiliii idnata ti stolica e Sofia
kingIoanAsen 1 year ago
А шо викаш за Брисел , да ни биде
karanfiliii 1 year ago
sas sega6nata politika brisel ke vidite prez kriv makaron
kingIoanAsen 1 year ago
КЪДЕ СА МАКЕДОНЦИТЕ СЕГА
Sixb0nes1 2 years ago
ke ja stavime vo vrela voda , sama ke se ispravi
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the globally unknown population of former yugoslav republic of macedonia was "baptised" macedonian from bulgarian in 1946 from the communist yugoslav leader TITO as a counterweight to bulgarian teritorial claims in yugoslavias vardarska province (renamed macedonia by the same leader) , after the fall of communism they emerged as an independent state in 1992 and 15 years after they promote their new identity as macedonians and their new goal the "united macedonia" openly claiming greek teritory
noaudito 3 years ago
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Where is your argument?
Or you consider being angry and swearing an argument.
God i love humiliating Bulgarians. LOSER!
LOSER!LOSER!LOSER!LOSER!LOSER!LOSER!LOSER!
Sindikat 3 years ago
Ha-ha-ha keep your nervеs friend. We all see you have mentally problems. It's not necessary to shout so that your misery be understood from everybody in the World. It's obvious who is looser.
VMOPO 3 years ago 3
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Nice work VMOPO im Greek and these FYROMise are so pathetic i feel sorry for them,i tried to you tube GOCE DELCHEV BULGARIAN HERO but the video is no longer available those FYROM gypsys must of deleted it
FlyingWarrior08 3 years ago
Greets greek friend. We had a lot of problems in the past in the history but the future is ours just have to say and reveal the truth about our mutual relations.
VMOPO 2 years ago
@VMOPO Bace,priateli priateli ama da ni varnat izlaza na belo more a? :)))
kingIoanAsen 2 years ago
:))) .
VMOPO 1 year ago
@FlyingWarrior08 You are Greek?Do you understand this video?
kingIoanAsen 2 years ago
No i dont they are talking Bulgarian
FlyingWarrior08 1 year ago
Hah, I wonder, could you post link to that iGENEA research, to see what actually are the results ;)
B0lvan 2 years ago 6
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Hahahaha Are you saying that the Swiss Institute for Genetic Research is Macedonian propaganda. LOL hahahahaha
Man you are losing it! You lost the argument! Face it! Game! Set! Match! You are a LIAR!
Sindikat 3 years ago
There is no enough materials for so emphatically results. You need huge fundamental of blood bank of people more the 100 000. In Bulgaria and Fyrom and maybe nowhere near are made such complex research. Everyone can do approximately kind of research and speak what one want. The Imagination is on your side man keep on movin
VMOPO 3 years ago 2
The source is iGENEA, a scientific research group based i Zurich.
Do you deny science Bulgar? Or politics is more reliable?
Sindikat 3 years ago
And if we are talking SCIENCE and NOT POLITICS.
Bulgaria: Thracians 49 %
Slav 15 %
Hellenic People 15 %
Antic Macedonians 11 %
Phoenician 8 %
Macedonia: 30% Antic Macedonian 10% Illyrian 15% Hellenic People 5% Phoenician 20% Teutons 5% Huns 15% Slavs
Sindikat 3 years ago
This is not science but scince fiction. Data from fabricated and untrustworthy source, just fyromian propaganda and Fyromian wonnabe Dreamland or Never Never Land. Fyro stay cool in your dreams. cheers
VMOPO 3 years ago
Hahahahaha
Pathetic logic. Man you are delusional. If there is no Macedonian nation and self awareness then how do you explain 5 million people ALL AROUND THE WORLD. Or you blame that on the communist to?
Sindikat 3 years ago
5 milion, man are you crazy? I know that most of the fyromians has pathetic imagination but your fantasy is brain-faged deviation.
VMOPO 3 years ago
Being angry for losing an argument is not considered a fact. A fact is the writing on the cross MACEDONIA. Not a trace of Bulgaria.
Macedonians fought for their own independent country. And that is a fact you can never deny. Look at the videos again and think of a more creative way to explain that, cause Tito was not in the picture in 1922.
Let people decide, dont agitate by stating your propaganda.
Sindikat 3 years ago
Macedonia is just a geographic region, neither country nor nation. The claims of former titoidic commie fyromians to be something great and ancient are ludicrous and nutty. Clowns. FYROM is the only Orwell country in the World of the historical forgery and polished brains.
VMOPO 3 years ago
There is no fyromian "macedonian" nation. Just yugoslavian communist propaganda. IMRO leaders like Gotse Delchev and the majority of population of Vardar Macedonia was and will be BULGARIAN. FACTS!!! The time of fyromian post commie lies has come.
VMOPO 3 years ago
Абе умрете од мака ако сакате. ФАКТ!!!!!!!
Ај да не ви пуштам видеа од протестите на Македонците во САД 1932, ќе плачите ко пички!
Sindikat 3 years ago
И като ги пуснеш какво. Аз го имам този запис в оригинал и на тези протести се виждат българи от Македония, за които географския район Македония е роден дом. Гледай да не ти пусна аз на какъв литературен български език говорят на тези протести да не си умреш на мъка ! :))
VMOPO 3 years ago
Пфффф абе на кој му ги продаваш овие пуфки. Гледаш сам сопки си клаваш, на сите плакати пиши јасно МАКЕДОНИЈА НА МАКЕДОНЦИТЕ. Од бугари б нема.
Sindikat 3 years ago
Да знајш оти зборам за Македонската Политичка Организација, а не за онаа компромитираната бугарска Македонска Патриотическа Организација.
Гледај ги протестите и плачи. Факти не се побиват, јасно си стои чија е МАКЕДОНИЈА, на МАКЕДОНЦИТЕ.
Sindikat 3 years ago
Разлика между Македонска Политическа Организация и Македонска Патриотична Организация нема. Има си литература по въпроса защо са ползвали и двете. Ако не си игнорант и не те мързи вземи да четеш. МРО са истинските наследници на истинското ВМОРО и ВМРО - българското.
VMOPO 3 years ago
Важно е дека Гоце Делчев се борел за слободата на МАКЕДОНИЈА. Не на Бугарија, ами на МАКЕДОНИЈА. Шо сакате појќе јас незнам, ова е видео и јасно можи да се види и не е можно да се фалсификува.
Или Тито го праеше крстот?
Хахахахахахахахах
Sindikat 3 years ago
Гоце е бил българин и се е декларирал като такъв. Какво си ви мътили мозъците на вас фиромите не е важно за света. Важна е истината и тя е Гоце както и всички герои и целия народ са се борили за свободата на българите в Македония.
VMOPO 3 years ago
СВОБОДА е казал Гоце фиромска пичко не сЛобода. Забий си го с пирон в тъпия мозък. И на мен ми е кеф да разбивам илюзиите на фиромските простаци за селско величие.
VMOPO 3 years ago
Хахахаха. Шо се нервираш бе?
За независна МАКЕДОНИЈА се борел, кај гледаш Бугарија негде спомнато. Сакаш да кажиш дека Гоце бил сепаратист, предавник на Бугарија?
Дај не биди игнорантен. Македонија, Македонец, појасно здравје.
Sindikat 3 years ago
Не се нервирам, просто ми омръзна от селските ви хитринки и простотии. Вас са ви работили в мозъците сърби и сърбо-комунистите близо 90 години и техните деца мекерета продължават да го правят. В България и Македония живее един народ БЪЛГАРСКИ
VMOPO 3 years ago
Гоце е бил велика личност на времето си надскочила тесно етническото си българско чувство и е бил за Македония на всички етноси, на 1 место българския, като най-голям в Македония.
VMOPO 3 years ago
Пффф тогаш немало стандарден Македонски јазик и ова е на гевгелиско-солунски дијалект напишано.
Sindikat 3 years ago
хе хе немало стандартен македонски язик, знаеш зошто е немало, защото е немало македонска югославска комунистическа титова нация креирани от Коминтерна и комунистическа Югославия на фундамента на българското етническо население в Македония и са ви изпрали мозъците.
VMOPO 3 years ago
Да бе! Ова не е Men In Black па ќе дојди некој и ќе ни ги испери мозоците. Ете го дедо ми уште е жив, ела прашај го шо е.
Не се бламирај жити се со вакви провидни сценарија. Немало држава, народ имало.
Sindikat 3 years ago
Sindikat 3 years ago
Here rests
Goce Delchev
a fighter for the freedom
OF MACEDONIA
Yes, but NO, there's written SVOBODA in Bulgarian languge, not sLoboda in serbian or forge fyromian. Macedonia is just a geographical region, not ethnic one. Macedonians are greek, bulgarians, albanians etc, but not fyromians who are serbianized mestizos.:))
VMOPO 3 years ago
Тука почива
Гоце Делчев
борец за слободата
НА МАКЕДОНИЈА
Не фиромче, в грешка си там пише на БЪЛГАРСКИ език а не на фиромски:
"Гоце Делчев
борец за сВободата
на МакедониЯ"
!!! Доста по-различно от фалшивия ви сърбо-фиромски език.
VMOPO 3 years ago
FYROMIANS????
I only see Bulgarians..
MACEDONIANHELLINISM 3 years ago
You need a lot of lessons my friend ;-)
I will say again excuse his language - he is Greek.
braairsa 3 years ago
All this peoples in North Greece in region of Macedonia are Bulgarians ! Not Fyromians!
realSLAV85 3 years ago 4
GAYVARDARSKANS!!!!!!!!!
MAKEDONIENA 3 years ago
She is Greek forgive her language ;-)
She wants to say thank you Bulgarians for saving me from the Arabian harem but maybe I am mistaken ;-)
braairsa 3 years ago
Lesson in Byzantine history No.2
The Bulgarian ruler Tervel did help the byzantine emperor Justinian II in 705
A mere 3 years later, Justinian II himself violated this arrangement and apparently commenced military operations to recover the ceded area. Tervel routed him at the Battle of Anchialus (or Ankhialo) in 708.
In 711, faced by a serious revolt in Asia Minor, Justinian again sought the aid of Tervel, but obtained only lukewarm support manifested in an army of 3,000.
braairsa 3 years ago
oooooooooooo you give lessons too???
Get a life moron...
serreosoo8 3 years ago
Your need a lot of lessons my friend - but we will get their, you are not the first mentally changed which I see here.
braairsa 3 years ago
A lesson in Byzantine history No.1
I notice some Greek gays(like the scriber AI.) writing here where probably a sleep in their history classes.
I am going to help them for free on the Byzantine history so that they dont spread any more stupidity and desinformation world wide.
717-718 The Arab siege of Constantinople
According to the Theophanes, the Bulgars under Tervel slaughtered some 22,000 Arabs in the battle before Constantinople.That way the Bulgarians saved the city until 1453.
braairsa 3 years ago
Krastovedn uprising - in Ser region 95 years ago.
Militias active in the region of Serres, led by Yane Sandanski and an insurgent detachment of the Supreme Committee, held down a large Turkish force. These actions began on the day of the Feast of the Cross (Krastovden in Bulgarian, September 27)
braairsa 3 years ago
The fact that Gruevski is being spitefully provincial & is trying to raise issues and hatred does not mean that he needs to be legitimised. Instead of moving forward he is dragging his country down a deep Balkan abyss. Unfortunately he was only recently voted in by a near majority of FYROM's population. That only means that the Slav Macedonians have been deeply poisoned by that peculiar Balkan nationalism that has been so successfully used by external powers over and over.
eismakedon 3 years ago
VMOPO
There is NO Aegean Macedonia.
Macedonia one and is Greek, and FYROM is Bulgarian.-
End of Story
Retelas 3 years ago
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Stop writing here, if you can not recognize who is Bulgarian from Vardaska and who is brainwhashed FYROManian...VMOPO is Bulgarian like me...
terzijski 3 years ago
Greece's conduct in Macedonia after 1913 was and is trying true genocide and terror to erase everything Bulgarian even graveyards in the area.
You can NOT perpetrate crimes against humanity and have them unpunished by the International community. The vital thing for preservation of the peace in the Balkans is the recognition of all the evil done from everyone and not hide it.
braairsa 3 years ago
ok, braairsa, since you insist about past crimes, (and while we are speaking here of Serres) do you want to start with the fire the Bulgarian army put to torch and burned and destroyed the whole city of Serres as they were retreating in 1913, leaving the whole population, Turks, Greeks, Jews, Armenians, Slavs, poor people most of them homeless for years. Or the attrocities of the Bulgarian army that followed the Nazis into Greece in '41? You wanna be friends? Let's forget the past my friend!
eismakedon 3 years ago
WHATT??????? BANITSA A BULGARIAN VILLAGE!! YOU ARE BLOODY FOOL MY DEAR ENEMY FROM BULGARIA! GOCE DELCEV WAS BORN IN KUKUS NOW KILKIS(the greeks renamed all macedonian towns,rivers,mountains when they occupied macedonia!) MACEDONIA WAS IS AND WILL BE FOR THE MACEDONIANS! NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU DIVIDE US IT MAKES US STRONGER AND UNITES OUR NATION SPREAD ACROSS THE WORLD! OUR TIME IS NOW ! SOON THERE WILL BE NO BULGARIA AND GREECE AND ALBANIA TOO !
Macedonia to the Macedonians!
death4enemys 3 years ago
Banitsa was a Bulgarian village as well as Kukush ans Sjar were predominantly Bulgarian with large Greek minorities. There is no evidence of "Macedonian" ethnicity prior to 1944 when it was CREATED following a resolution of the Comintern published in "Makedonsko delo" in 1934 (under Serbian influence of cource). The Macedonian "nation" idea is a political doctrine. If it was not Communist Yugoslavia, you'd be an upright Bulgarian nationalist, my friend.
mitramak 3 years ago
Kilkis was mostly Bulgarian Slavic before the Balkan wars, but not Serres my friend. nobody was majority but the largest group was Turks, followed closely by Greeks, then way way down were Bulgarians, Jews, Gypsies, Armenians etc. In Thessaloniki also, VERY few Slavs/Bulgarians. Most were Jews, followed by Muslims then Greeks. Greeks of Thessaloniki and Serres were massacred in pogroms by muslims in the thousands in the 1820's during 1821 revolution.
eismakedon 3 years ago
Hahahahha a Bulgarian and a FYROMian are quarreling over Banitsa!!! Hilarious , priceless!
Greeks renamed all Macedonia after they occupation!!! For example we renamed the city that Alexander build as Solun to Thessaloniki! A hahahaha You are helpless!
Well I have only one thing to tell you both! Come and get it!
AITWLOS 3 years ago
Va te faire foutre, espèce de gay grek!!! Ethnic GAY!!!
Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!!! All of rhe Greeks are happy but not in your country!!!Because their fathers and grand-fathers ware MURDERS!!!
Molitorovska 3 years ago
Well I can live with that you know! The only bad thing that Greeks did was that they did not cleaned (disinfected would be more appropriate ) Makedonia and Thrace completely, so we would not have pieces of shit like you today!!!
AITWLOS 3 years ago
You must read the report of Carnegie Foundation!!!!
This message show that you're ANDART=MURDER in your soul!!!
Molitorovska 3 years ago
Ei little greek nazi your are ZERO you can't do noting without Serbia, Romania,Turkey and the Great Powers behind you.
braairsa 3 years ago 2
Ei little piece of shit! You seem to forget who collaborated with the nazis during WWII! Yoy found the opportunity as usual to infiltrate in Macedonia and make your own thing ... Murders and lootings! You seem to forget to that if there were not the Greeks to make the revolution against the Turks during 1821 , that spread to whole Balkans , today you would speak Turkish! Muhahahaha ass hole!
AITWLOS 3 years ago
Your where nazi from 1912, long before 1941.
And please mind you language -small little malaka;-)
braairsa 3 years ago 2
In that case it seems that Greeks discovered Nazi party before Hitler ! Hahahahaha . If you want me to mind my language then mind your language first! I see that you are familiar with the Greek language , malaka.
AITWLOS 3 years ago
Malaka, you for once you are right, it doesn't seems.
Some history for you, 718 Bulgarian forces save your Byzantine asses from Arabs at Constantinople - if it wasn't for the Bulgarians you will be Ahmed now.
braairsa 3 years ago
Well this might happen in your dreams! I wonder where did you learn history. When the Bulgarians aimed the Greeks? And anyway that does not change the facts. And the facts are that we were the shield of Europe against Anatolians for centuries and that we revolted against the Turks , resulting the liberation of the Balkans. All the others are cheap talk from cheap cowards like your self flat nose pig!
AITWLOS 3 years ago
Ha-ha-ha! You make me laugh...
Mais vos grand-pères furent des assassins...murders and lyers. This was an ancient hellenic tradition . I hope that Greece will be destroyed for him behaviour... God see everything.
BoriMoli 3 years ago 4
Wikipedia(INTERNET)''Following the archaeological discoveries of the20th century,modern scholars now agree that the ancient Macedonians were in fact of Greek origin''HERODOTUS wrote:"for during the reign of Deucalion,Phthia was the country in which the Hellenes dwelt,but under Dorus,the son of Hellen, they moved to the tract at the base of Ossa and Olympus, which is called Histiaeotis;they settled,under the name of Macedonians,in the chain of Pindus..they became known as Dorians"MACEDONIA=GREECE
apofit 3 years ago
The ancient Macedonians may have been Greeks, but not the current ones. Plenty of sources prove the majority were Bulgarians - sources from 1800s-1920s. The ethnic composition of the Greek part of Macedonia was drastically changed after the Balkan Wars. I agree that Greece should defend its history from FYROM, but noone has the right to claim the name Macedonia today. The ancient Macedonians are long gone. Macedonia is a geographic name - nothing more.
VWaudiRULEs 3 years ago
VWaudiRULEs : You are correct to say that macedonia is a Geographic term. This is how Greeks feel. We know that Acnient Macedonians were Greek and we defend our history and culture on that respect. We know that in during Byzantium and later on Ottoman empires the populations were a total mix, Slavs, Vlachs, Greeks, Muslims, Jews, etc. Take Thrace as an example: Three countries have Thrace divided, yet none claims to be the true Thracian! The cultural/ethnic irredentism of Skopja is the problem!
eismakedon 3 years ago
yes, definetely, but I have to say, I feel a little uncomfortable when some Greeks say "Macedonia is Greece",or "there is only one Macedonia and it's Greek". Let's not forget what happened in the Aegean in 1913, how it's ehtnic composition was changed. I'm not saying we have territorial claims, but I feel a lot of Greek people are forgetting or just don't know.
VWaudiRULEs 3 years ago
the "Macedonia is Greek" translated in English is not a good slogan, most Greeks know that. It does not mean "FYROM is Greek", by any stretch! It came about as a reaction to FYROM claiming it's "Macedonia" so Greeks felt like: "So what the hell is OUR Macedonia then?" The answer was: It is Greek! When we say Macedonia, we refer to OUR Macedonia. Greeks refuse to accept FYROM as even belonging to what was historic Macedonia, & they have ancient (not Ottoman) geography & history on their side.
eismakedon 3 years ago
Bulgaria refuses to accept Fyrom as belonging to ancient Macedonia as well, whether Ancient Macedonia was Greek, half Greek or w.e. But Macedonia is divided now between 3 countries, and it hasn't really been Greece for a long time. Even Thessaloniki had a huge Bulgarian minority until the Balkan Wars. Of course Bulgaria must also have been guilty of excesses, but we are unbelievably tolerant people. The Carnegie report on the Balkan Wars gives a good picture. Here's one thing that should be
VWaudiRULEs 3 years ago
There is no doubt what ancient Macedonians were and that is pretty clear! Territorial Macedonia today is indeed divided and 53% belongs to Greece!In Thessaloníki until WW II lived a huge minority of Hebrews but that does not mean that Thessaloníki belongs to Israel! Now about the atrocities I am sorry to tell you that you started first way before Balkans wars during 1900 and you finished last during WW II! And these are recorded as well!
AITWLOS 3 years ago
The PM of Macedonia officially brought up th eissue of a Macedonian minority in Greece. What Greece should now say is, that there never were Macedonians in those lands, but Bulgarians. Bulgaria would not claim any land, Fyrom will be completely devastated, and relations between Greece and Bulgaria would really open up. Since we are both in the EU, there is no riks of clearing the history once and forever.
VWaudiRULEs 3 years ago 2
Greece already admits that there were not Macedonians and it not hard to understand that they are Bulgarians judging the language they speak. FYROMIAN are Bulgarian speaking with Slavish origin and Greek history ! lol!
AITWLOS 3 years ago
I don't think a lot of people really know about it. Fyromians don't really have Greek history - they have Bulgarian history, but in order to keep their fake identity, they invented themselves as the ancient Macedonians - stole history from Greece and Bulgaria.we didn't claim Thessaloniki - the line went north of it. As for us starting first, show me! The records say otherwise. Finishing last as well - the Greek civil war was after WWII, and I have caught a lot of Greeks giving us credit for
VWaudiRULEs 3 years ago 4
Nazi crimes. It's a little hypocritical to talk about crimes after what Greece did during the Balkan wars, but I don't want to start a fight. I have already said what should be done. I don't think it will be that hard
VWaudiRULEs 3 years ago 6
How can you say that Macedonians are Bulgarians or Greeks. dont u understand that it is a shame for macedonians to say they are any of those... i hope u understand that some day. Macedonia for the Macedonians
unitedmake 3 years ago
Bulgaria's conduct in Macedonia under the Axis WAS SETTLING OLD SCORES by trying to reverse the process of Hellenization in the area prior to 1913. Anyway, hopefully it's all in the past. The one vital thing for preservation of peace in the Balkans is the THE PRESERVATION OF EXTANT BORDERS. that's why all this bullshit with Kosovo, Montenegro, and Republica Vardarska going independent is feeding powder to the keg.
ellin40 3 years ago
Of course ANY nation in the Balkans that might have come in possession of Macedonia would have followed THE SAME process of said proselytizing. This is not said in order to excuse anything, just to put it in perspective.
ellin40 3 years ago
petdou1: Thank you fort those numbers. This is how I interpret them:
a)there ISN'T 1.2 million Bulgarians in Macedonia prior to the Balkan Wars
b)there IS considerable Greek presence (as I've been saying all along).
This DOESN'T mean that, after 1913, there wasn't a SYSTEMATIC process to Hellenize the non-Greek populations (sometimes forcefully, including atrocities).
ellin40 3 years ago
No Makedonskis in any census..
petdou1 3 years ago
Ottoman census of Hilmi Pasha (1904)
Region
1. Vilaeti of Thessaloniki Greeks 373,227 Bulgarians 207,317
2. Vilaeti of Monastiri Greeks 261,283 Bulgarians 178,412
3. Santzaki of Scopje Greeks 13,452 Bulgarians 172,735
petdou1 3 years ago
1.2 million exterminated? Do you have sources that are NOT Bulgarian? NO! A genocide of such size would be documented in the report of the Carnegie commission. Though atrociteies were comitted by EVERYONE in the Balkan wars (have you heard of the Greek village of Doxato by the way?--or are your nationalistic blinders big enough to cover your ears as well?), there is 1.2 million ANYWHERE in the foreign sources. Atrocities were comited by EVERYONE including Bulgaria. You gave as good as you got.
ellin40 3 years ago
You just read the sources and they are not Bulgarian.
I assume you hard for Seres school massacre where only for four days your Greek population slaughter 250 Bulgarian peasant from the town of Ser and the surrounding area - their only guilt was that they where Bulgarians - and this is happen long before Doxato to happen, did you know about the village of Zagorichane now under Greek occupation where your andarts slaughter a wedding 79 people in 1905.
braairsa 3 years ago
L.O.L ;-)
First thing first - you are spreading lies in the internet.
No you know Bulgarian population in Macedonia was 75% Greek population 15% .
I am asking the question who exterminated 1.2 million Bulgarians in Aegean Macedonia.
Hitler was a kid compeered to the Greek barbarism against the Bulgarians left under Greek occupation.
You first own apology for the lies here and after that we can discus.
The truth hurts be a men accepted or be an ....
braairsa 3 years ago
Oh, by the way, nice photos of Hitler. When you embraced fascism in order to liberate the "lost homelands", you also employed the same tactics of executions, deportations, and atrocities against civilians. Oh, I forget, it was all OK because "this was ours" to begin with, right? Which brings me to my previous comment about your world. Peace.
ellin40 3 years ago
Don't you worry, my world is not confined by nationalistic blinders like yours ;) I watched the clip you mentioned and I was enlightened to find out that a)ancient Macedonia was indeed part of the greater Greek world b)Bulgarians arrive in the 600's :( c)the population of the region, as I've always suspected was,is, and probably will be mixed. So, what is your point?
ellin40 3 years ago
The fact that there were Bulgarians there of course is true, ALONG WITH ALL THE OTHER NATIONALITIES that I've mentioned. And, by the way, it's this mentality that I like to call 'cold war". You seem smart enough, you'll figure it out ;)
ellin40 3 years ago
Search with this sentence and you will have answers on you questions - you won't like the answers, they don't fit you world. "Bulgaria,Macedonia and Greece-the issue"
start from 3:50
Enjoy ;-)
braairsa 3 years ago
Also, prove that Macedonian population was 50% Bulgarian ART ANY GIVEN point in the history of the region. Actually, under the Ottomans the region was a hodge-podge of ethnicities, Greeks, Bulgarians, Serbs, Roma, Albanians, Vlachs, you name it. How come all of a sudden it becomes "50% Bulgarian"?
ellin40 3 years ago
Not to say that there wasn't a considerable element of Greeks in Ottoman Macedonia. The region was well known for its MIXED population. ANYONE who moved in (Serbs, Greeks, Bulgarians) would follow a policy of forced preselytization of the villagers to his own religion and language. EVERYONE of course massacred the Muslim inhabitants INCLUDiNG the Bulgarian troops. No one would have allowed 50% of macedonia's population to remain Bulgar untill 1941
ellin40 3 years ago
This filmet is in the spirit of cold war and against the principle of cooperative neighboring that both Greece and Bulgaria have been following post-WW II. Please lets keep it that way.
ellin40 3 years ago
There is nothing common to "The spirit of cold war".The cold war came to an end in 1989.
VMOPO 3 years ago
I repeat: this film was made during the WW II occupation of Greek Macedonia, it is provocatory in its content, and cannot be used as historical evidence of genocide by the Greeks!
The reverse is true, when atrocities were committed by the other side. You cannot victimize the inhabitants, kick them out, move in your own people, and then make a film about how "oppressed" you are!
Leave the empty threats aside and lets see how we can work to improve the region.
ellin40 3 years ago
I repeat: Where are bulgarians of the region now ? At the begining of 20 century bulgarians have been approximately. 75% of the all population of the region. After greek occupation of the region in 1913 and after a lot of atrocities and commited genocide, bulgarian population at the begining of 1941 was near 50%. I repeat: Where are the bulgarians now??? To become real friends according EU principles we have to say the truth each other. Greets.
VMOPO 3 years ago
VMOPO: Where is your evidence that at 1941 the population was 50% Bulgarian? Are you serious? EVERYONE in the Balkans foolows policies of population replacement INCLUDING Bulgarians. So, there is a good chance that the mecedonian population becomes increasingly Hellenized IMMEDIATELY after 1912-13. THERE IS NO WAY THAT GREECE WOULD OWN THE REGION FOR HALF A CENTURY AND ALLOW 50% BULAGARIAN POPULATION TO REMAIN.
ellin40 3 years ago
Goce Delsev ( Nevrokop) my motherland and Macedonia is not Greek; Bulgar or Macedonian ; Macedonia is multi etnike country !
alipashatepelena 3 years ago
So before 1944 there was no script of this dialect simply because it was NO LANGUAGE but a SPOKEN DIALECT.
This dialect was either Bulgarian dialect on North and Greek influenced on South FYROM.
Tito prevented these people from getting an education and become Bulgarian or Greek.
So he called their language makedonian and named these people as Makedonian.
This was a lie, which still haunts the brainwashed kids of this land.
nayotaki 3 years ago 4
Instead of learning their mother tongue (Bulgarian or Greek or Serbian) they speak an invented, artificial language!!!
Their language was named Makedonian, which is totally hilarious and totally artificial.
nayotaki 3 years ago 2
I consider Bulgarians friends today. But start stirring the "Aegean Macedonian" issue again and you'll find me gnawing at your throat. ESO ETOIMOS.
ellin40 3 years ago
What you are not mentioning is that this is taking place during the Nazi OCCUPATION during which Boulgarian troops occupied Greek macedinia and comitted atrocities. 130,000 villagers were displaced and replaced with Bulgarian populations. NO ONE IS HOLY in the area, you have comitted the exact same things you accuse greeks of comitting in 1912-13. Bye bye.
ellin40 3 years ago
You wish.Don't try to hide the "Aegean Macedonian" genocide or you going to see youself where is you plase, South of Olimp.
Servia,Montenegro and Romania can't help you this time.
Който сее буря жъне ураган.
braairsa 3 years ago
i agree:FYROM people are Bulgarians...
janellsis 3 years ago 3
Sorry guys, we got here first! Anyway, when the last greek soldier drops dead, you can make your plans come true! till then , please do us a favor : dream on!!
patsaklaras 3 years ago
braairsa, appreciate if you give us link, please. ...Charalambi Popov, a Grecized Bulgarian ...???
VMOPO 4 years ago
Razbiram greshkata si - v zhelanieto si da se pomestja v 500 simvola czitiraiki ne sum pomestil mestata kudeto se spomenava che tochno gurzcite ot Ser sa klali bulgarite.VMRO - davam ti pravoto da iztriesh moite zcitati i da gi pomestish ako mozhesh zcjalostno.
braairsa 4 years ago
THE SCHOOLHOUSE MASSACRE AT SERRES. George T. Belev, of Strumnitsa, a Protestant, aged 32.June 25, we were taken to the bishop's palace to appear before a commission.Captain Doukas, and many Greeks of the town...Thirteen of these were slaughtered on the second story, and we heard their cries. We still hoped that a selection would be made, and that we should not all be killed.
braairsa 4 years ago
Among the executioners was Charalambi Popov, a Grecized Bulgarian, the same baker in whose house I was arrested. The others were inhabitants of Serres, and two vlachs belonging to the Greek party from Poroi. One named Christo often came to Strumnitsa, and many a time I have gone surety for him. The other who is lame is named Tzeru, and knows no Greek.He killed with a yataghan, with which he severed the head from the body. The others used Martini bayonets...
braairsa 4 years ago
I was taken with three others, two of them men from Dibra.I went first and the executioner followed with his bayonet in his hand.We were half dead with fear, and could hardly walk. Through the door of the room I could see slaughtered men, and some who were still alive and groaning. One was decapitated. The room was full, and the bodies lay two or three on top of each other. There was no room for me. Then the executioner made me go to another little room which was empty.
braairsa 4 years ago
It was my acquaintance the vlach, Christo. I took one step into the room, and at the next step he struck me in the neck. The force of the blow was broken by my collar, but I fell on my face. He then put his foot on my back, and struck me six blows with the bayonet, on my back, behind my ear, under the right jaw, and in the throat.
braairsa 4 years ago
braairsa Give us the text source, please.
VMOPO 4 years ago
The Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, Report of the International Commission to Inquire into the Causes and Conduct of the Balkan Wars (Washington, DC: The Endowment, 1914).
Sorry my mistake!
braairsa 4 years ago
The reality is one. Macedonia is a region. It was inhabited by greek-speaking population from ancient times until 6th AD. Then there came Bulgarians and other Slavs. Greeks decreased and large part of the region was inhabited mainly by bulgarians. In 20th century after Balkan wars greeks took again part of the region from Turks and Bulgars. But there are no "Macedonians" as a nation, especially a nation related with Alexander the Great, a famous greek-speaking macedonian of ancient times
jroidos 4 years ago
..In the same way that greeks from Pontos and Asia Minor moved to Macedonia after its liberation in order to support the greek population of the area, wich was for years bulgarian. I am greek and im not afraid to tell the truth.
jroidos 4 years ago 3
The so-called "Macedonians" are Slav Macedonians, or Bulgar Macedonians. They are Bulgars living in Macedonia who decided to create their own state. For example Cypriots are Cypriots because they live in Cyprus. But South Cypriots are Greeks and North Cypriots are Turks, and many of them moved there from Eastern Turkey inorder to enlarge turkcypriot population.
jroidos 4 years ago
letter of Gotze Delchev - a "macedonian" hero
"Действително жалко е, но що можемъ да правимъ, когато си сме българи и всички страдаме отъ една обща болѣсть"
It is hard indeed, but what can we do, when we are all Bulgarians and we all suffer from a common disease".....
KriskoBG 4 years ago
Macedonia has its own interests and its own politics which belong to the Macedonians. The one who works for joining of Macedonia to Bulgaria, Greece, or Serbia, can consider himself as a good Bulgarian, Greek, or Serb, but not as good Macedonian
Quote from Goce Delcev...enjoy
zat02 4 years ago
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Goce Delchev has never said that. This is a fyromian fake, of course. The real quote belongs to Dimitar Talev, great Bulgarian writer from Prilep, Vardar Macedonia. His liryc hero in his book "Ilinden" Sofia 1961, 4-issue, page 324 has said:
Macedonia has its own interests and own politics and belongs to every macedonians, one who desires, one who works for joining [Macedonia] to Bulgaria or Greece, could think oneself as a good Bulgarian or good Greek, but could not be good macedonian.
VMOPO 4 years ago
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... Such a Bulgarian or Greek supports everlasting misunderstanding of balkanian nations, these have to live in brother friendship in between to be more happy. Macedonia belongs to all of macedonians, without diference between religions, nations and languages, in future free Macedonia and through her intermediation will be united all of the balkanian nations.
Dimitar Talev, "Ilinden", Sofia 1961, 4-issue, page 324
VMOPO 4 years ago
I can't understand why you name the coffe elinika caffe. Is the same cofee like in Romania and in all over the world. Another free information for you: the plant of coffe was discovered on the teritory of Ethiopia by a goatherd.
nerva1984 4 years ago
Which thing you don't understand? If came somebody from outside of Romania and say to you that you aren't Romanians and all your history it belongs to him, what you would make? As for the ancient time, you said: COLONIES not the place of birth of our History. (don't say nonsense, Also the french said the coffee cafe :) )
anestiskar 4 years ago
I am Greek and we will live will this country with peace. But they have to respect our sensibilities. They want to be proclaimed as Rep. of Macedonia and claim all macedonian history. This is not accepted by almost all Greeks. and greeks who write in these forums are SOMETIMES like racists, i agree.
antilaloun 4 years ago
I appreciate your correct point of view.
nerva1984 4 years ago
In the Ancient period there were greeks colonies in the souhtern teritory of Italy, on the teritory of Turkey, in the southern France and on the teritor of my country Romania. That means that now greek, have to counquest all this countries?! I started to believe that SOME greeks are racists( no the persons that I know in Athens-they are extraordinary).
nerva1984 4 years ago
I'm from Romania and I respect the greeks( I'm a fan of Greece, ahving a lot of friends there and visiting this country often) and the bulgarians. What I can't understand is why greeks claim teritories in a independent state like FYROM. Borders can be changed only by referendum or by war. But Greece is a democracy so there it can't be any war.
nerva1984 4 years ago
Goce Delcev Is Greek and is called Kostas Deltsos or Gotsos Deltsos. Also the hero Tsar Samuil is called Tsaros Samuilos and he is Greek!!! Long live The Greek heroes!!! revolution against antigreeks!!! Long live all the Greeks!!!
crazygreekmac 4 years ago 2
We never claimed that bulgarian heroes are greeks. The all problem is that people in newly-found state of FYROM callthemselves macedonians and claim that all macedonian history belongs to them. That is paralogism. "Macedonian" is not a national but a geographical term. I am Thracean. I live in Xanthi, Western Thrace and I am greek. There are Thraceans that live in north Thrace and are Bulgarians and Thraceans at Istanbul are Turks. It's so simple
jroidos 4 years ago
"Two donkeys are fight in a foreign barn"
O.k. I am from Serres, I dont feel neither bulgar or "makedon". In my conscience (and all over the people here) I am GREEK. This video is a filthy propaganda from bulgarians. I read many strange things about Greeks on this post (racists, faggots, etc). O.k. you are the best nations and what should the greeks do? Are we to wait the bulgarians and "macedonians" to humiliate us with such funny videos?
No mister,
SOFIA and SKOPIA are GREEK ha ha ha ha
anestiskar 4 years ago
Yo Man!!! Skopje for the Greeks!!! Long live Alacsandar Makedonski !!! Long live Skopje Long Live Greeks From Skopje!!!!
crazygreekmac 4 years ago
Not to mention ..Greek Orthodox Easter
zimzon0707 4 years ago
That is to say, they also like to tout the message to the Toronto media, that Orthodox Easter should be referred to as Greek Orthodox Easter
zimzon0707 4 years ago
yes i know that, the greeks think everything is greek. Greek Souvalki to Greek Coffee. They can t see themselves in the mirror how they really look.
zimzon0707 4 years ago
It s the SuperPowers that are calling the shots, just like they attacked Serbia. Your right the Republic doesn t have army, unfortunately, Condolezza Rice, the has told the Ukraine not sell Macedonia any Military helicopters. Happily, she s telling the Greek Government to recognize Macedonia under it s democratic name
zimzon0707 4 years ago
zimzon, so all the Fyromians lining up for Bulgarian passports, are they taking ESL no BSL courses lol(Bulgarian as second language) no no, they are right at home, its 95% the same language, 50 diff words. You definately must be from Bouf?
BzNzSBoomN 4 years ago
Asparuh and Khan, the great Mongol Kings that today s bulgarians celebrate. Even today, Aspraruh is a Bulgarian name. So celebrate your Mongol Kings, and please don t tell Macedonians that Asparuh and Khan are part of Macedonian Heritage.
zimzon0707 4 years ago
If Macedonians from the Republic getting Bulgarians passports, that s because they want to try to come over to England and then to Canada. Economic reasons purely. Alot of Macedonians came to Canada with Greek passports and Turkish passports, but I m sure you ll agree they weren t Greek or Turkish
zimzon0707 4 years ago
Last time i checked, the satelite countries are wearing different hats and listening to the empire US
zimzon0707 4 years ago
respect to delchev, a great bulgarian fighter
CHANIA1821 4 years ago
Kakvi bre bugari Voevody, si se zbunil vo Makedonija nema bugari samo Makedonci ima vo Makedonija-aj ostani mi so zdrazvje:)
sandanski 4 years ago
"ethnic" Macedonian revolutionary...and those words of him you tell are they from an other "new history"..Is your history really ready? I though it was under contraction like your language 60 years ago....
morpheas13 4 years ago
Vecna pamet za Borecot za svobodata na Bulgarite vo Makedonija-Vojvodata Delcev.
Voevody 4 years ago
--> but could not be good macedonian. Such a Bulgarian or Greek support everlasting misunderstanding of balkanian nations, these have to live in brother friendship in between to be more happy. Macedonia belongs to all of macedonians, without diference between religions, nations and languages in Future Free Macedonia and through her intermediary will be united all of the balkanian nations.
VMOPO 4 years ago
Delchev was a great man and a visionary Bulgarian who wanted peace. Correct me if I am wrong, I think the film was made by the fascist Bulgarians in occupied Greece during WWII, Delchev would have been against what those fascists stood for.
Filotimos 4 years ago
Nikolas Makedon, You are a big joker, midnight talker or just a consummate fyromian liar. Goce Delchev has never said that.
VMOPO 4 years ago
It is great stupidity - ethnic Macedonian. Macedonia is a geogrphical region and includes 3 parts of Vardar, Aegean and Pirin Macedonia. The population of Vardar Macedonia is mainly ethnical BULGARIANS, mainly brainwashed. Ethnic macedonians had disapeared before 2200 years. There is no more foolish thing as a FYROM-ian communist post yugoslavian propaganda. It is very easy even for a child to prove contrary to your fyromian doctrine of subsistence of tne ethnic fyromian macedons.
VMOPO 4 years ago