The DQ was right in the first place considering Liu Xiang would have won but was it an accident? i think so because one, the hurdles are tall to jump over (42 inches which is 3ft and 6 inches) and much energy is being used to jump over them. Now Robles is tired at the end (so were the others) and he brought that arm down out of fatigue. I mean look at his face he was upset by it. He didnt even put on his happy face for the camera. Which leads to Robles being innocent of intentional hit
I dont get why everyone thinks this was on purpose! dayron didnt even look happy after the race, you could CLEARLY see he felt bad which is why he hugged Liu after, as an apology and Liu said himself it was an accident! you guys are all fucking stupid! its fucking hurdles, unfortunate clashes WILL happen!
@100m200m400m when u see a guy open his hand up, stretch out his fingers and miss the first grab attempt.. move right so the next one is a complete grab, not a hit a grab!!.. and then even more right on the 3rd and hit elbows.. its intentional dumbass
@revz1373 so it was intentional because his fists weren't closed? running with open fists is typical as a sprinter/sprint hurdler dumbass, it did NOT look intentional at all! why the fuck do u think Dayron was sad after the race and hugged Lie as an apology?
@100m200m400m ur just a dope... not much more to say.. of course he is gonna say sorry to make it look like and accident so he doesnt get caught... u gonna go rob a bank and then say "yes i did it but dont punish me" moron... think what u like, he was gonna loose, he didnt like it so he tried to cheat
@revz1373 LIU SAID HIM-FUCKING-SELF THAT IT WAS AN ACCIDENT YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT! I WANT PROOF IT WAS FUCKING INTENTIONAL BECAUSE IT WASNT, IT DOESN'T EVEN LOOK INTENTIONAL FOR FUCKS SAKES!
@revz1373 you fucking faggot, im not even a fucking fan of robles. Im a sprinter not a hurdler, but I seriously think this was accidental you dont have to be a fucking fan of someone to defend them. his reaction makes it obvious it was an accident
This happens all the time...it's hurdles ...to say it was done on purpose is just ignorant. How about u try and run a hurdle race with perfect execution every time.
from what i see this was know way on purpose.. it was an accident but the disqualification was fair as xiang looked like he was gonna win had robles arm not caught him.
Robles was lucky to escape only with DQ from this race
if you are running close to 10m/s during hurdles races obstruction like in 6.04 could be very dangerous not only for Liu Xiang but for other competitors in this race
Guys he had the same arm on for his trail leg the whole race, he was drifting in his lane which caused the inpact. If you have ever hurdles in ur life u'd know it happens. Also his reaction was because he knew it happened but it wasn't on purpose. He knows u get DQ'd for that, he looked like he was waiting for some one to come and take the title from him.
@wesisagisback yes, but he is not drifting, he is swiming, i have hurdled and i know i can´t extened that long my arm, it takes you time extending and retracting your arm in that way. i really think Robles made that on purpose, he was "gambling" to make an "unpurpose" contact in order to get some advantage without having any punishment.
No matter Robes did it on purpose or not, he disturbed Liuxiang, so i think the winner shouldn't be belong to him. If has another chance I sure Liu would be better than him. ( they two are really really good player )
@njrunnersnet .. wtf yu mean yu ppl.. yu ought to b ashamd cleary da dammn slo mo nd replay show he grabbd his dammn arm bcus his bitch ass was abt to to loose. i run track for UNC nd ik wen yu run track hurdles n all yu stay n ya fukn lane. nw if yu knew track n field yu wuld kno dat.
he huggd his ass quick as hell.. fukn LOSER... for all da assholes sayin da usa are cheaters luk at cuba n der cuban asses.. didnt he kno we have DVR nw we cn rewind,replay, nd slow mo shyyt nw. stupid ass got caught n nw his dumb ass got DQ'D. HAHA lls
smh if any of you actually ran hurdles you would know that one hurdler hitting another hurdler happens often... ive still won races after being hit.. these are the greatest athletes and they know it happens accidentally
2. Liu did not complain, his nation did. You would know that Liu showed incredible sportsmanship and did not blame anyone for what happened if you watched the interviews after.
3. What happened to Liu was that he clearly got robbed of his Gold medal and that it was due to the two collisions that liu is not World Champion.
we all know robles hit him but i don't think it was intentional. he's been hurdling with a wide trail arm all season and it's just bad luck .. his arm started going even wider after hitting a hurdle. it will be a great competition in london; be nice to see Oliver running well to make it an even more exciting field!
Wow! I can't believe Robles hit Liu's hand twice! I'm amazed that he even finished third. Such interference can throw off Liu's rhythm and reduced his speed at the end. You can see Liu reacting and looking suprised at Robles in the final sprint. Thank goodness for multiple camera angles that catch such contact!
@DARKSTAR256 If you watch the replay at 6:02, you can clearly see that Robles grabs Liu's arm and then hits him again over the next hurdle. Liu was actually in front of Robles slightly but the collision caused him to lose balance which then resulted in him hitting the last hurdle, losing all of his momentum.
Richardson is gonna be pissed cause whenever anyone talks about this race they're gonna be saying Liu this, Robles that, but they won't say Richardson much.
"Today has been a great day. I did fairly well but I have some minor regrets. When nearing the finish line, I tried to accelerate, but this is an ever-changing sport. Robles hit me twice and I lost my balance. I don't blame him, because this is just a sport and sport is for enjoyment. It's not easy to be a successful athlete. There are ups and downs in life and one has to tread the path cautiously."
From the looks after the race I think Robles was waiting for the DQ call on him but since the crowd was cheering he just went with the flow. I never saw the race but what happened after the DQ? Did Xiang become second or stay on third?
@AznShigsta Richardson (Lane 3) promoted from Silver 2 Gold. Liu promoted from Bronze 2 Silver. Turner (Lane 1) promoted from 4th 2 Bronze. The IAAF had option a) 2 DQ Robles or b) 2 DQ Robles + Race Re-Run 2 allow Richardson, Liu & Lanes 4, 7 & 8 to race again on equal terms (Lane 2 was DNF - injured). They opted for a). But Cuba have appealed the DQ on Grounds: 1] Contact were accidental. 2] 1st Contact was inside R's Lane, 2nd was inside L's. 2] 1st Contact caused both L & R 2 slow down.
I think that Liu Xiang could win this race, from the side camera 5:35 you can see that Richardson was staying behind. Big respect for Liu, he reacted like a real gentleman.
@janderapoopeeza it looked like a grab at first but then I notices thats his hand action all the way through. If anything robles was a bit far over though because his fot touched xiandg's hurdle. On a different note! What do you think of this blade runner guy? Fair or unfair?
@zcarenow Good point, which raises another interesting point. Liu had the misery of being forced 2 do a Deliberate False Start @ Beijing 2008, due 2 serious injury preventing him from being able 2 compete. Now he's been impeded into the Silver Medal position by the contact with Robles in Daegu 2011, all it will take is a DQ for a False Start, clipping a hurdle or a fresh Contact incident at London 2012, for Liu's chance of Gold 2 be gone forever. Some are even saying Liu's jinxed!!
Liu Xiang would have won that race if it wasn't for Robles. I think the the DQ is definetly justified..you can not interfere with other athlletes. Robles cleary did..
@bricrx Their attacking legs are different, so the moves of their hands also are. The organizers should have thought of that and put them in different corridors.
I am NOT Robles' Agent. I am not ANYBODY's agent. I am NOT a liar. I do not TROLL on the internet. I do NOT swear, argue, get angry or abuse ANYONE. I am polite 2 EVERYONE. I am informed, experienced & knowledgable in the subjects of Sports, Athletics, Biomechanics, Physics, Statistics, Sports Administration, IAAF & IOC Regulations. I join & comment online ONLY in threads & forums on subjects in which I have KNOWLEDGE & can CONTRIBUTE. I do NOT hate ANYONE. I am FAIR 2 Liu, Robles & Richardson.
In ALL Robles raceS, he "GRABS" with a loosely "HOOKED" right hand AND stretches out FINGERS, when straining 2 go faster, often at CRITICAL points in 110mH - H9 &/or H10. The swinging, balancing arm of a hurdler IS normally CLOSED going over hurdles. but, NOT ONLY Robles stretches out his FINGERS 2 gain more speed. Look closely at LIU's right hand @ H10 - OPEN!
I DON'T support Robles. I think DQ was the CORRECT decision. I have NO sympathy for Robles. Both Robles' RACE STRATEGY & RACE EXECUTION were POOR. His TECHNIQUE was POOR at H8, so he hit & knocked it over. He should NOT have veered RIGHT, he should have stayed LEFT. His CONTACT with Liu cost Liu possible GOLD. Robles WAS in desperate, caused by the pressure Liu put on him by catching him up so quickly. I DO have a lot of sympathy for Liu. I'm just NOT as SURE as some people that Robles CHEATED.
I agree with u. From Blocks 2 H8, there was no premeditation 2 impede Liu. Robles merits Benefit of Doubt on cheating, becuse like many people, including u & I, said here earlier, his arm actions are the same in all his races, even the stretched fingers when he's trying 2 get extra impetus into the 'jacknife' at the apex of the flight over a hurdle. He starts far left (obligatoire!) for clearance room 4 the arcs of arm & trailing leg. It's hitting H8 that unbalances him & veers him right.
1th-7th, Robles was at his LEFTside next to Oliver.His arm/hand were normal.
from 7th-8th however, Robles intentionally MOVED from his left towards right sticking to Liu,with arm/hand out when he saw Liu´s catching up /surpassing -- the UNDENIABLE motive and the first move of the murder!
You spam you pathetic excuses 4 the cheat in all clips for days.Who R U? Robles´agent must be?
Hi. Yeah, I know English & German from where I lived & some French, some Spanish, some Italian & Portuguese because all have similarties from my traveling in Europe 2 work. Gobal Village! The French commentators were so fast, accurate, knowledgable, sincere, fair & funny. (I remember u said they were probably French hurdlers). Compare the good French commentary with the terrible main & guest commentary on the other video/thread on this same race at:
Fair conclusions from FACTS of video. Only Robles knows if, in desperation, on hurdle9 [1st contact at 5:43] he deliberately reached out 2 stop Liu passing. From start to hurdle8, there was no premeditation 2 impede Liu. Robles merits Benefit of Doubt on cheating. Liu is NOT a better technician than Robles - Liu hit 6 hurdles & knocked 3 over. Robles hit 3 & knocked 1 over. Ist contact was in Robles' lane. 2nd contact was in Liu's lane. Robles impeded Liu - DQ correct. Richardson deserved gold
Fair conclusions from FACTS of video. Only Robles knows if, in desperation, over hurdle9 [1st contact at 5:43] he deliberately reached out 2 stop Liu passing. From start to hurdle8, there was no premeditation 2 impede Liu. Robles merits Benefit of Doubt on cheating. Liu is NOT a better technician than Robles - Liu hit 6 hurdles & knocked 3 over. Robles hit 3 & knocked 1 over. Ist contact was in Robles' lane. 2nd contact was in Liu's lane. Robles impeded Liu - DQ correct. Richardson deserved
2 decide, based on FACTS of the video, watch from 5:09 to 6:17 at least 6 times. Focus on different things each time. 1) Focus on Robles' lane position - left till he hits hurdle8, then right. Liu's lane position - far left. 3) Focus simultaneously on Liu's & Robles' arm actions - angle, arc & "hooking" action is very similar. 3) Focus on Liu's hurdles - he knocks 3 over. 4) Focus on Robles arm - wider at 7. 5) Focus on Richardson at 3:20 he almost beats Robles. 6) Focus on Robles 5:39 to 5:42
FACTS of the video, if watched 6 times or more, from 5:09 to 6:17. 1) Liu knocks over more hurdles than Robles. 2) Robles starts far left in his lane, where he cannot touch Liu. He loses balance at hurdle8 & then veers towards Robles. 3) Liu ran near Robles' lane throughout. If he'd run on the left of his lane [nobody on right of Liu from hurdle 3], he could have won gold. 4) 3 mins from 5:39 to 5:42, Liu & Robles are PERFECTLY level - Liu never passes Robles. 5) Richardson nearly beats Robles
Fair conclusions from FACTS of video. Only Robles knows if, in desperation, over hurdle9 [1st contact at 5:43] he deliberately reached out 2 stop Liu passing. From start to hurdle8, there was no premeditation 2 impede Liu. Robles merits Benefit of Doubt on cheating. Liu is NOT a better technician than Robles - Liu hit 6 hurdles & knocked 4 over. Robles hit 3 & knocked 1 over. Ist contact was in Robles' lane. 2nd contact was in Liu's lane. Robles impeded Liu - DQ correct. Richardson deserved gold
FACTS of the video, if watched 6 times or more, from 5:09 to 3:17. 1) Liu knocks over more hurdles than Robles. 2) Robles starts far left in his lane, where he cannot touch Liu. He loses balance at hurdle8 & then veers towards Robles. 3) Liu ran near Robles' lane throughout. If he'd run on the left of his lane [nobody on right of Liu from hurdle 3], he could have won gold. 4) 3 mins from 5:39 to 5:42, Liu & Robles are PERFECTLY level - Liu never passes Robles. 5) Richardson nearly beats Robles.
To decide, based on FACTS of the video, watch from 5:09 to 6:17 at least 6 times. Focus on different things each time. 1) Focus on Robles' lane position - left till he hits hurdle8, then right. Liu's lane position - far left. 3) Focus simultaneously on Liu's & Robles' arm actions - angle, arc & "hooking" action is very similar. 3) Focus on Liu's hurdles - he knocks 4 over. 4) Focus on Robles arm - wider at 7. 5) Focus on Richardson at 3:20 he almost beats Robles. 6) Focus on Robles 5:39 to 5:42
Thanks, for the information & extra translation. I was trying 2 translate a little for another guy. Yes "cursed" is maybe even better than "jinxed", because the speaker says something always goes wrong for Liu & "maudit" implies that maybe Liu will never win. They also explain the reason 4 Liu's problem in Beijing - he was injured and could not compete, so he did a deliberate false start. They also say, before the race, that maybe it 's his destiny 2 win the Daegu race because of Beijing.
Maybe you're right. Maybe I'm right. Maybe we're both wrong. Maybe we're both part right, part wrong. ONLY ROBLES KNOWS. Let there be a fair race at the 2012 Olympics between all 3 of them. Maybe with Richardson on the left, Liu in the centre & Robles on the right. May the best man win. If the winner is Liu, u & I can remember today & both be happy for him to get his gold at last, because he's a very good hurdler.
im cuban and i feel shame, dayron act without no honor, he cheat plain and simple he tried to slow down liu no ones, no twice, but three times, the cubans even protest that is even more dishonorable, they should apoligized to the chinise people and to Mr. Liu, i as a cuban feel shame and sorry for what happen the victory belong to Mr.Liu.
I only discuss. I don't argue. I don't fight. I don't abuse. I am fine with you having a different opinion from me and would defend your right to do so. Do I have the right to have a different opinion from you?
All the frontal shots & slow motion clips here tell all:
In order to block Liu,pretending to be an "accident",Robles CONSCIOULY started drifting towards Liu once he caught up at 8th! At 9th,almost 1/5 of his BODY & ENTIRE of his right arm were INSIDE Liu's lane!
After HIT & PULL which sent Liu off balance, Robles CONTINUED TO STAY to do it again at 10th. NO INTENTION whatsoever to move back to his own lane to avoid further contact, completely contradicting to "accident" mindset. A SCUM!
@MrRedeeps yes, I agree with you the contact at 10th was inside Liu's Lane, but de contact at 9th was inside Roble's Lane and for this reason Robles lose speed and goes to his rigth, all the frontal shots that you could see is not made with the frontal camera, ( IAAF deny to give or repeat videos with the frontal and birdseye camera,couse they are wrong)
@dilegentelectron Bro, you talking about the Cuban cheating? Yeah, I ain't Cuban. Ergo, it don't really make sense to talk shit about 'the inferior kind' unless you mean because he's black.
I got no problem with Chinese people. Or with y'alls government. I just think some of you take this racial pride shit so seriously.
Hurdling (110m) is mechanically very different from sprinting on the flat (100m & 200m) but both have a heavy reliance on using the arms that people who know little about biomechanics do not realize. Unlike in sprinting on the flat, hurdlers need 2 throw out an arm as a counterbalance 2 the extension and lifting of the lead leg as it clears the hurdle. Like fooftballers & tennis players, hurdlers are left & right handed & l & r handed. The opposite arm counterbalances the lead leg.
STFU! You need counterbalance with IQ, as reasoning is beyond your thick skull!
NO DUMB excuses: TELL ME ONE 110H FINAL in d ENTIRE FU#@ING HISTORY where first 2 guys heavily clashing into each other's arms in d last 2 hurdles in a roll!
Tell me 1 example!
NO SUCH A THING except this!
Robles was PERFECTLY OKE in heats, semis, & in his racing history, but SUDDENLY has "problem" here when he's LOSING.
Mathematically, the chance of coincidence is close to ZERO!
@MrRedeeps With 8 lane, you have from 1/8 to 2/8 chance to have your direct opponent close to you.
Then you have from 0 to 1/8 to have him in a "dangerous position" (the side of the opposit arm of the leading leg).
If you got one of the first 4 results in the qualification, the chances rise (from 1/4 to 2/4 and from 0 to 1/4).
If you consider the possible technical mistakes lurkings etc... you'll find that it's much more likely than you could imagine. Lukily it's rare, but far from impossible.
@gapoization Great... and Robles was already unbalanced from hitting the 8th hurdle.
Consequently he hadn't the right hip position at the 9th hurdle, and his right arm made a wider movement (direct consequence of an unbalanced position).
If you count the frames (I did it...) you'll find a decrease of Robles' speed of over 8%!
Xiang was even more unlucky, but I can't advice no intention in Robles.
No DQ! The only reason Robles moved over is because he was forced to do so after clashing with Oliver in the first two hurdles. If you ever hurdled, you know it's just part of the race (and Oliver states that in his interview). How do you know Robles didn't do it on purpose? After he grabbed the wrist on #9, his arm swing was shorter in #10 and his hands were closed!
there is no difference between cheating with drugs to get the No.1 and cheating with pulling or dragging to get it.
If the former is banned apart from only DQ, why the latter is not banned but only DQ??!!
Pulling & dragging are even wrose than drug taking which doesn't hurt others.
As Colin jackson has emphasized, hurdling is the most dangerous track sport to get endured. Lucky that Liu didn't end up in a hospital bed due to the high speed fouls at 9th and 10th hurdles by the negro.
There had been NO arm & hand contact between the leaders in all 100, 200,110H finals in the entire championship history prior to this one!
Just look at the race: nobody's arm was close to the one next to him, left or right, EXCEPT Robles. And his arm didn't go to his left side track, but only the right side! In the semis however when Liu was on his left, Robles stayed perfectly in his track.
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What if Oliver (4th) and Merritt (5th) were in the same situation?
Let's say that Sharman hits Merrit...Sharman has to be disqualified EXACTLY as Robles, regardless of the kind of race or the placement.
Accident happens and athletes are humans, they make errors.
A perfect "clean" performance is almost impossible in hurdling, and usually the performers are "acrobats" able to manage critical dynamic conditions, which doesn't save them from ALL errors, trust me.
I agree if you look at Robles' right hand in the motion before the 1st contact, it looks like Robles tried to grab Liu's arm and missed. In the 2nd contact it looks like Robles grabbed Liu's arm. Now look at the Eurosport Video Clip of Robles' World Record race. in the head on view, you see EXACTLY the same "reaching" far to right with outstreched fingers and "grabbing" motion with closing fingers even when nobody is near him. How do you explain this? Are you still 100% sure?
explaination: the fuck is a cheat , the arm and hand gesture was there even in his record race ( in case someone closing up to him).
who the fuck moves his arms HORIZONZALLY in the final step of a final? in100m, 200m, 110H? NO ONE but Robles against Liu when the latter was winning.What a coincidence!
in the semis when Liu was on his left side instead, how come Robles didn't go to right side since "he's used to it", but stayed perfectly in the middle of his track, huh?
I agree if you look at Robles' right hand in the motion before the 1st contact, it looks like Robles tried to grab Liu's arm and missed. In the 2nd contact it looks like Robles grabbed Liu's arm. Now look at the Eurosport Video Clip of Robles' World Record race. Explain why, in the head on view, you see EXACTLY the same "reaching" far to right with outstreched fingers and "grabbing" motion with closing fingers even when nobody is near him. Are you still 100% sure?
Did you notice that after the race, Robles went to hug Liu. Why? Because Robles knew he hit Liu and he felt guilt. Anyone thought Robles did that by accident. Look at 3 more sec in slow motion before the hit happened.(concentrate on R's right hand) Robles tried to grab Liu at the first time but he failed. Robles, learn to race like a man!
I saw the race many, many times in fast and slow motion (look at the time of my 1st comment). You are a little bit confused between right and left in your private message to me. This is about Liu & Richardsn only. Rbls DQ was right. Centered does not mean the perfect center. It just means far enough inside your lane not to RISK making contact with the guy near you. Do you agree that Richardsn did not touch Robls? Ok. Do you agree that if Liu was more right, Rbl could not touch him? Ok!
We never know what would have happened if there had been no contact between Robles and Liu. We don't know why Liu caught up with Robles between hurdle 6 and hurdle 8. It could be because Liu accelerated in the middle section. It could be because Robles slowed down in the middle section. Robles could have accelerated again after hurdle 10 or Liu could have. Liu could have dipped first at the line or Robles could have. If Liu ran centered in his line he might have won gold. Nobody knows
Do you mean all of them should run again, or without Robles? I think most people would agree that Robles' DQ was right. BOTH Liu & Robles CHOSE to take the RISK of NOT running in the centre of their lanes, but near eack other's lanes, to put extra pressure on each other. Richardson ran centered in his lane and did not hit anybody. If Liu had chosen to run centered in his lane, Robles could NOT have hit him & Liu would maybe have won. Why should Richardson pay for Liu & Robles errors?
@gapoization OMG, you didnt even watch the race. Liu is a little bit on the right, that is true, but he is still on his track. Robles is far on the left, he is partially jumpinging over Liu's hurdle (right leg on last hurdle). and Richardson is centered in his lane? lol, watch again. there was one moment i was trying to defend for Robles, because Richardson was running far left of his track too. and i thought maybe that is why Robles running to the left? trying to dodge Richardson?
@iohudave but before the hurdle 9 (the first contact), Liu going run on the left of his track (normal in 110), in this moment the arms contac is over Roble's Lane (9 hurdle), for this Robles goes to rigth the same Liu and the second contact is over Liu's Lane ( last hurdle), this you can see clearly in birdseye camera, this video IAFF don't wants to repeat, but the videos that you can see in the media, the angle that's is not clear.
I have a very high level of understanding of physics. If you can be more specific, I will try to answer any query you raise relating to physics. Your giving 2 possible reasons why he hugged Liu fits what I am saying. There can be be more than one explanation for most things. Even something that seems certain can be wrong. My view (read as many of my previous comments as you can), is that Robles was at fault. DQ was the right decision. But only Robles knows if he deliberately cheated.
Too many words to translate. But I'll give you an idea what the French guys were saying.
At the end of the actual race, they said Liu is "maudit" meaning "jinxed" (always has bad luck). During the side view replays, they said Liu's leg either hit a hurdle or his arm made accidental contact with Robles, losing his rhythm and losing the acceleration he used to catch up to Robles. Seeing the front view, they said "Ah! He will be DQ'!"! "He grabbed his arm"! "This cannot stand"!
Robles is a gentelman. It was acccident!
castiglionihabanera 1 day ago
mean 8th and 10th
essienn2580 2 days ago
robles hit 2nd hurdle so he went to his left and thats why he hit liu, NOT ON PURPOSE -.- !poker face!
essienn2580 2 days ago
They had to DQ him even though it wasnt intentional.
Oolliwan14 4 days ago
The DQ was right in the first place considering Liu Xiang would have won but was it an accident? i think so because one, the hurdles are tall to jump over (42 inches which is 3ft and 6 inches) and much energy is being used to jump over them. Now Robles is tired at the end (so were the others) and he brought that arm down out of fatigue. I mean look at his face he was upset by it. He didnt even put on his happy face for the camera. Which leads to Robles being innocent of intentional hit
1egacy123 4 days ago
it was clearly an accident.
100m200m400m 4 days ago
dyron did it on purpose. dont be stupid.
tantucing 5 days ago
I dont get why everyone thinks this was on purpose! dayron didnt even look happy after the race, you could CLEARLY see he felt bad which is why he hugged Liu after, as an apology and Liu said himself it was an accident! you guys are all fucking stupid! its fucking hurdles, unfortunate clashes WILL happen!
100m200m400m 1 week ago
@100m200m400m when u see a guy open his hand up, stretch out his fingers and miss the first grab attempt.. move right so the next one is a complete grab, not a hit a grab!!.. and then even more right on the 3rd and hit elbows.. its intentional dumbass
revz1373 5 days ago
@revz1373 so it was intentional because his fists weren't closed? running with open fists is typical as a sprinter/sprint hurdler dumbass, it did NOT look intentional at all! why the fuck do u think Dayron was sad after the race and hugged Lie as an apology?
100m200m400m 5 days ago
@100m200m400m ur just a dope... not much more to say.. of course he is gonna say sorry to make it look like and accident so he doesnt get caught... u gonna go rob a bank and then say "yes i did it but dont punish me" moron... think what u like, he was gonna loose, he didnt like it so he tried to cheat
revz1373 4 days ago
@revz1373 LIU SAID HIM-FUCKING-SELF THAT IT WAS AN ACCIDENT YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT! I WANT PROOF IT WAS FUCKING INTENTIONAL BECAUSE IT WASNT, IT DOESN'T EVEN LOOK INTENTIONAL FOR FUCKS SAKES!
100m200m400m 4 days ago
@100m200m400m sorry didnt know he was your boyfriend my bad...go back to suckin his dick didnt mean to get your panties in a bunch
revz1373 2 days ago
@revz1373 you fucking faggot, im not even a fucking fan of robles. Im a sprinter not a hurdler, but I seriously think this was accidental you dont have to be a fucking fan of someone to defend them. his reaction makes it obvious it was an accident
100m200m400m 13 hours ago
i think that was an accident liu xiang thing it happen sam times
koolboy276 1 week ago
This happens all the time...it's hurdles ...to say it was done on purpose is just ignorant. How about u try and run a hurdle race with perfect execution every time.
tretre12345 1 week ago
@tretre12345 ... Ive watched many hundreds of elite 110 hurdle races and my eyes tell me he was reaching and purposefully made contact ...
pablo16825 1 week ago
from what i see this was know way on purpose.. it was an accident but the disqualification was fair as xiang looked like he was gonna win had robles arm not caught him.
StillShiningTV 1 week ago
Dayron lost his balance. If he hadn't he would have won cleanly.
XxxExaltedOnexxX 2 weeks ago
6:04, what the fuck is that?
lunix1985 2 weeks ago
tipical of a cuban, you met a cuban you just do not trust him/her
lunix1985 2 weeks ago
Robles is a Thief. He stole the Gold Medal from Liu Xiang who finished on third. Boles being desqualified was nothing comparing to what he deserved.
ledepi34 3 weeks ago
Robles was lucky to escape only with DQ from this race
if you are running close to 10m/s during hurdles races obstruction like in 6.04 could be very dangerous not only for Liu Xiang but for other competitors in this race
I am very disappointing with Robles attitude
IF YOU ARE LOOSING, LOSE WITH DIGNITY !!!!!!!!!
DE1153 3 weeks ago
So romantic
lightonhands 3 weeks ago
Guys he had the same arm on for his trail leg the whole race, he was drifting in his lane which caused the inpact. If you have ever hurdles in ur life u'd know it happens. Also his reaction was because he knew it happened but it wasn't on purpose. He knows u get DQ'd for that, he looked like he was waiting for some one to come and take the title from him.
wesisagisback 3 weeks ago
@wesisagisback what are you talking about this things don't happen not on this level EVER deliberately obstructed liu Xiang from winning !!!!
And he was lucky to escape only with DQ
I have never seen ROBLES hurdling the way he did in 6.04 in this video never!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DE1153 3 weeks ago
@wesisagisback yes, but he is not drifting, he is swiming, i have hurdled and i know i can´t extened that long my arm, it takes you time extending and retracting your arm in that way. i really think Robles made that on purpose, he was "gambling" to make an "unpurpose" contact in order to get some advantage without having any punishment.
lunix1985 2 weeks ago
No matter Robes did it on purpose or not, he disturbed Liuxiang, so i think the winner shouldn't be belong to him. If has another chance I sure Liu would be better than him. ( they two are really really good player )
Bobeenliu 4 weeks ago
robles is darn theiffff he knows what he did just look at his reaction. liu xiang is better.
comment from a jamaican.
SUPATWIN1 1 month ago
at 5:39 all three are tied
RbAuMs1 1 month ago
0:25 listen up...
shivray 1 month ago
i cant believe you people think robles did it on purpose... if you ran hurdles youd know you make contact with other people all the time
njrunnersnet 2 months ago
@njrunnersnet .. wtf yu mean yu ppl.. yu ought to b ashamd cleary da dammn slo mo nd replay show he grabbd his dammn arm bcus his bitch ass was abt to to loose. i run track for UNC nd ik wen yu run track hurdles n all yu stay n ya fukn lane. nw if yu knew track n field yu wuld kno dat.
1brebby 2 months ago
@njrunnersnet you idiot, he did it on purpose, he clearly reached for his arm TWICE.
igproper18 3 weeks ago
he huggd his ass quick as hell.. fukn LOSER... for all da assholes sayin da usa are cheaters luk at cuba n der cuban asses.. didnt he kno we have DVR nw we cn rewind,replay, nd slow mo shyyt nw. stupid ass got caught n nw his dumb ass got DQ'D. HAHA lls
1brebby 2 months ago
Yesj, Liu Xiang makes all the asian proud!
abcvvn 2 months ago
smh if any of you actually ran hurdles you would know that one hurdler hitting another hurdler happens often... ive still won races after being hit.. these are the greatest athletes and they know it happens accidentally
robot25mh 3 months ago
@robot25mh He didn't just get hit, Robles like grabbed him twice and it was very clear he lost balance which cost him his Gold Medal.
janderapoopeeza 2 months ago
3:10
TLPSZ 3 months ago
liu hit aries merritt arm and he didnt complain
Sealae80 3 months ago
@Sealae80 1. When did Liu even hit Merritts arm
2. Liu did not complain, his nation did. You would know that Liu showed incredible sportsmanship and did not blame anyone for what happened if you watched the interviews after.
3. What happened to Liu was that he clearly got robbed of his Gold medal and that it was due to the two collisions that liu is not World Champion.
janderapoopeeza 3 months ago
Robles is dirty ass!
LOLLIPOOOO 3 months ago 6
Liu xiang, absolutely the champion,
LOLLIPOOOO 3 months ago 3
we all know robles hit him but i don't think it was intentional. he's been hurdling with a wide trail arm all season and it's just bad luck .. his arm started going even wider after hitting a hurdle. it will be a great competition in london; be nice to see Oliver running well to make it an even more exciting field!
jedwardsoner 3 months ago
Looks like in London they're going to have to give Robles 3 lanes
janderapoopeeza 3 months ago 2
Its not only a touch...it 's more of a pull......watch closely....6:04.....its a grab and pull.
bzach71 3 months ago
regardless black or white......obviously Robles playing dirty......such a sad son of bitch...
tantucing 3 months ago 2
Robles the best!
laz982 4 months ago
Wow! I can't believe Robles hit Liu's hand twice! I'm amazed that he even finished third. Such interference can throw off Liu's rhythm and reduced his speed at the end. You can see Liu reacting and looking suprised at Robles in the final sprint. Thank goodness for multiple camera angles that catch such contact!
sfgators 5 months ago
wait can someone tell me why Liu was effected by Robles?
DARKSTAR256 5 months ago
@DARKSTAR256 If you watch the replay at 6:02, you can clearly see that Robles grabs Liu's arm and then hits him again over the next hurdle. Liu was actually in front of Robles slightly but the collision caused him to lose balance which then resulted in him hitting the last hurdle, losing all of his momentum.
janderapoopeeza 4 months ago
it is clear taht Robles disqualified. .=))
alvinfranciZ 5 months ago
Richardson is gonna be pissed cause whenever anyone talks about this race they're gonna be saying Liu this, Robles that, but they won't say Richardson much.
kozmon0t 5 months ago
Mayb robles knew that he dont have enough gas to sustain him in the last 20metres or so....so he apply maradona's hand of god theory...
Hratiiv 5 months ago
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Liu.Xiang's Stoical, Diplomatic, Charitable, Mature & Modest post-race interview in Mandarin:
"Today has been a great day. I did fairly well but I have some minor regrets. When nearing the finish line, I tried to accelerate, but this is an ever-changing sport. Robles hit me twice and I lost my balance. I don't blame him, because this is just a sport and sport is for enjoyment. It's not easy to be a successful athlete. There are ups and downs in life and one has to tread the path cautiously."
VirtualAdvisor100 5 months ago
From the looks after the race I think Robles was waiting for the DQ call on him but since the crowd was cheering he just went with the flow. I never saw the race but what happened after the DQ? Did Xiang become second or stay on third?
AznShigsta 5 months ago
@AznShigsta Richardson (Lane 3) promoted from Silver 2 Gold. Liu promoted from Bronze 2 Silver. Turner (Lane 1) promoted from 4th 2 Bronze. The IAAF had option a) 2 DQ Robles or b) 2 DQ Robles + Race Re-Run 2 allow Richardson, Liu & Lanes 4, 7 & 8 to race again on equal terms (Lane 2 was DNF - injured). They opted for a). But Cuba have appealed the DQ on Grounds: 1] Contact were accidental. 2] 1st Contact was inside R's Lane, 2nd was inside L's. 2] 1st Contact caused both L & R 2 slow down.
VirtualAdvisor100 5 months ago
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I think that Liu Xiang could win this race, from the side camera 5:35 you can see that Richardson was staying behind. Big respect for Liu, he reacted like a real gentleman.
vanjkarije 5 months ago
Dayron "Robber"....ugly!
KST9778 5 months ago
2 black men ganged up on an Asian.
chinarocks2 5 months ago
@chinarocks2 Who is the other one???
bajanzelly 5 months ago
Robles hit Xiang's arm not once, but twice pulling it back. Xiang was leading Robles race by a hair at that moment and would've won.
zcarenow 5 months ago
@zcarenow I think that xiandg was slowed by a hurdle he hit before he made contact with Robles
fyabun 5 months ago
@fyabun - yea i agree. I think it was the with the arms hitting twice, hitting the last hurdle, and looking to the side after the last hurdle.
Prestige726 5 months ago
@fyabun before he hit hurdle, Robles hit his arm the first time, then later on, Robles hit his arm second time, so twice.
zcarenow 5 months ago
@fyabun Nah if you look at the replay he was going fine then after Robles grabbed him, you can see he fully lost balance and hit the last hurdle.
janderapoopeeza 5 months ago
@janderapoopeeza it looked like a grab at first but then I notices thats his hand action all the way through. If anything robles was a bit far over though because his fot touched xiandg's hurdle. On a different note! What do you think of this blade runner guy? Fair or unfair?
fyabun 5 months ago
@fyabun nah, i don't think it was fair
janderapoopeeza 5 months ago
For the upcoming Olympics, they should not put Xiang and Robles next to each other.
zcarenow 5 months ago
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@zcarenow Good point, which raises another interesting point. Liu had the misery of being forced 2 do a Deliberate False Start @ Beijing 2008, due 2 serious injury preventing him from being able 2 compete. Now he's been impeded into the Silver Medal position by the contact with Robles in Daegu 2011, all it will take is a DQ for a False Start, clipping a hurdle or a fresh Contact incident at London 2012, for Liu's chance of Gold 2 be gone forever. Some are even saying Liu's jinxed!!
VirtualAdvisor100 5 months ago
stop at 6:08 is Liu and Robles running together? They look like they are panic and trying to escape from something...
HarrisonX350 5 months ago
Liu Xiang would have won that race if it wasn't for Robles. I think the the DQ is definetly justified..you can not interfere with other athlletes. Robles cleary did..
bricrx 5 months ago 28
@bricrx why did he do this ???
TheTestaholic 5 months ago
@bricrx what a stupid ass comment i cant believe it got 9 likes, i guess your 10 stupid people
Gidz69 5 months ago
@bricrx Their attacking legs are different, so the moves of their hands also are. The organizers should have thought of that and put them in different corridors.
mitko1251 1 month ago
@MrRedeeps
I replied to BOTH your comments to me on the threads at:
watch?v=3wfUTYhURTw
and
watch?v=YVcK5Ss5h5o
I hope I answered your questions.
gapoization 5 months ago
I am NOT Robles' Agent. I am not ANYBODY's agent. I am NOT a liar. I do not TROLL on the internet. I do NOT swear, argue, get angry or abuse ANYONE. I am polite 2 EVERYONE. I am informed, experienced & knowledgable in the subjects of Sports, Athletics, Biomechanics, Physics, Statistics, Sports Administration, IAAF & IOC Regulations. I join & comment online ONLY in threads & forums on subjects in which I have KNOWLEDGE & can CONTRIBUTE. I do NOT hate ANYONE. I am FAIR 2 Liu, Robles & Richardson.
gapoization 5 months ago
I NEVER said:
"his arm actions are the same in all his race".
What I said is:
"his arm actions are the same in all his raceS"
In ALL Robles raceS, he "GRABS" with a loosely "HOOKED" right hand AND stretches out FINGERS, when straining 2 go faster, often at CRITICAL points in 110mH - H9 &/or H10. The swinging, balancing arm of a hurdler IS normally CLOSED going over hurdles. but, NOT ONLY Robles stretches out his FINGERS 2 gain more speed. Look closely at LIU's right hand @ H10 - OPEN!
gapoization 5 months ago
wow, accident, yes, i accidentally put a bullet into your head. sorry , it's an accident
wtf.
install2012 5 months ago
@install2012
You'd better try on yourself a suppository for your personal pleasure.
Anyway, your example isn't different from Robles'.
If you kill someone for an accidental gun shooting, he'll die, and you'll pay for your unintentional act.
You won't be punished as for an intentional murder.
Robles hasn't been disqualified for doping (unfair advantage), but for an obstruction, which can happen, disqualifying him in the final WC race.
Don't be unpolite, it doesn't give authority to your msg.
pk8z 5 months ago
listen,you can't affect other in the race, that's it. shame on robles. go hell. wtf
install2012 5 months ago
@install2012
Don't be stupid.
You CAN affect other in case of ACCIDENT, which means UNINTENTIONAL.
Since you damaged another competitor, you'll be disqualified.
That's simple.
That's logic.
No shame for this, Robles has been punished ENOUGH with the disqualification.
Do you need a drawing, or you got the picture?
pk8z 5 months ago
I DON'T support Robles. I think DQ was the CORRECT decision. I have NO sympathy for Robles. Both Robles' RACE STRATEGY & RACE EXECUTION were POOR. His TECHNIQUE was POOR at H8, so he hit & knocked it over. He should NOT have veered RIGHT, he should have stayed LEFT. His CONTACT with Liu cost Liu possible GOLD. Robles WAS in desperate, caused by the pressure Liu put on him by catching him up so quickly. I DO have a lot of sympathy for Liu. I'm just NOT as SURE as some people that Robles CHEATED.
gapoization 5 months ago
Neither Robles nor Liu looks happy :( Would be a totally different finel if the didn't have the tracks beside each other..
swedentracknfield 5 months ago 20
@pk8z
I agree with u. From Blocks 2 H8, there was no premeditation 2 impede Liu. Robles merits Benefit of Doubt on cheating, becuse like many people, including u & I, said here earlier, his arm actions are the same in all his races, even the stretched fingers when he's trying 2 get extra impetus into the 'jacknife' at the apex of the flight over a hurdle. He starts far left (obligatoire!) for clearance room 4 the arcs of arm & trailing leg. It's hitting H8 that unbalances him & veers him right.
gapoization 5 months ago
@gapoization
"his arm actions are the same in all his race"
NO,YOU LIAR! They were not!
1th-7th, Robles was at his LEFTside next to Oliver.His arm/hand were normal.
from 7th-8th however, Robles intentionally MOVED from his left towards right sticking to Liu,with arm/hand out when he saw Liu´s catching up /surpassing -- the UNDENIABLE motive and the first move of the murder!
You spam you pathetic excuses 4 the cheat in all clips for days.Who R U? Robles´agent must be?
MrRedeeps 5 months ago
@pk8z
Hi. Yeah, I know English & German from where I lived & some French, some Spanish, some Italian & Portuguese because all have similarties from my traveling in Europe 2 work. Gobal Village! The French commentators were so fast, accurate, knowledgable, sincere, fair & funny. (I remember u said they were probably French hurdlers). Compare the good French commentary with the terrible main & guest commentary on the other video/thread on this same race at:
/watch?v=YVcK5Ss5h5o&feature=related
gapoization 5 months ago
Fair conclusions from FACTS of video. Only Robles knows if, in desperation, on hurdle9 [1st contact at 5:43] he deliberately reached out 2 stop Liu passing. From start to hurdle8, there was no premeditation 2 impede Liu. Robles merits Benefit of Doubt on cheating. Liu is NOT a better technician than Robles - Liu hit 6 hurdles & knocked 3 over. Robles hit 3 & knocked 1 over. Ist contact was in Robles' lane. 2nd contact was in Liu's lane. Robles impeded Liu - DQ correct. Richardson deserved gold
gapoization 5 months ago
@gapoization
I agree with you, only Robles knows, but I am truly convinced he wasn't aware of what was about to happen.
pk8z 5 months ago
Fair conclusions from FACTS of video. Only Robles knows if, in desperation, over hurdle9 [1st contact at 5:43] he deliberately reached out 2 stop Liu passing. From start to hurdle8, there was no premeditation 2 impede Liu. Robles merits Benefit of Doubt on cheating. Liu is NOT a better technician than Robles - Liu hit 6 hurdles & knocked 3 over. Robles hit 3 & knocked 1 over. Ist contact was in Robles' lane. 2nd contact was in Liu's lane. Robles impeded Liu - DQ correct. Richardson deserved
gapoization 5 months ago
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2 decide, based on FACTS of the video, watch from 5:09 to 6:17 at least 6 times. Focus on different things each time. 1) Focus on Robles' lane position - left till he hits hurdle8, then right. Liu's lane position - far left. 3) Focus simultaneously on Liu's & Robles' arm actions - angle, arc & "hooking" action is very similar. 3) Focus on Liu's hurdles - he knocks 3 over. 4) Focus on Robles arm - wider at 7. 5) Focus on Richardson at 3:20 he almost beats Robles. 6) Focus on Robles 5:39 to 5:42
gapoization 5 months ago
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FACTS of the video, if watched 6 times or more, from 5:09 to 6:17. 1) Liu knocks over more hurdles than Robles. 2) Robles starts far left in his lane, where he cannot touch Liu. He loses balance at hurdle8 & then veers towards Robles. 3) Liu ran near Robles' lane throughout. If he'd run on the left of his lane [nobody on right of Liu from hurdle 3], he could have won gold. 4) 3 mins from 5:39 to 5:42, Liu & Robles are PERFECTLY level - Liu never passes Robles. 5) Richardson nearly beats Robles
gapoization 5 months ago
Fair conclusions from FACTS of video. Only Robles knows if, in desperation, over hurdle9 [1st contact at 5:43] he deliberately reached out 2 stop Liu passing. From start to hurdle8, there was no premeditation 2 impede Liu. Robles merits Benefit of Doubt on cheating. Liu is NOT a better technician than Robles - Liu hit 6 hurdles & knocked 4 over. Robles hit 3 & knocked 1 over. Ist contact was in Robles' lane. 2nd contact was in Liu's lane. Robles impeded Liu - DQ correct. Richardson deserved gold
gapoization 5 months ago 2
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FACTS of the video, if watched 6 times or more, from 5:09 to 3:17. 1) Liu knocks over more hurdles than Robles. 2) Robles starts far left in his lane, where he cannot touch Liu. He loses balance at hurdle8 & then veers towards Robles. 3) Liu ran near Robles' lane throughout. If he'd run on the left of his lane [nobody on right of Liu from hurdle 3], he could have won gold. 4) 3 mins from 5:39 to 5:42, Liu & Robles are PERFECTLY level - Liu never passes Robles. 5) Richardson nearly beats Robles.
gapoization 5 months ago
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To decide, based on FACTS of the video, watch from 5:09 to 6:17 at least 6 times. Focus on different things each time. 1) Focus on Robles' lane position - left till he hits hurdle8, then right. Liu's lane position - far left. 3) Focus simultaneously on Liu's & Robles' arm actions - angle, arc & "hooking" action is very similar. 3) Focus on Liu's hurdles - he knocks 4 over. 4) Focus on Robles arm - wider at 7. 5) Focus on Richardson at 3:20 he almost beats Robles. 6) Focus on Robles 5:39 to 5:42
gapoization 5 months ago
@pk8z
Thanks, for the information & extra translation. I was trying 2 translate a little for another guy. Yes "cursed" is maybe even better than "jinxed", because the speaker says something always goes wrong for Liu & "maudit" implies that maybe Liu will never win. They also explain the reason 4 Liu's problem in Beijing - he was injured and could not compete, so he did a deliberate false start. They also say, before the race, that maybe it 's his destiny 2 win the Daegu race because of Beijing.
gapoization 5 months ago
@gapoization
My french is very good (better than English...). ;)
pk8z 5 months ago
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@efferswang2008 @pk8z
Maybe you're right. Maybe I'm right. Maybe we're both wrong. Maybe we're both part right, part wrong. ONLY ROBLES KNOWS. Let there be a fair race at the 2012 Olympics between all 3 of them. Maybe with Richardson on the left, Liu in the centre & Robles on the right. May the best man win. If the winner is Liu, u & I can remember today & both be happy for him to get his gold at last, because he's a very good hurdler.
gapoization 5 months ago
@TheoStarks Wrong!
This is not a circus, you have to run and win if you want the gold.
Read rule 163.2 in Iaaf rules 2011.
In case of obstruction the referee can choose between
-1- disqualification of the athlete who obstructed another one's race (Robles)
-2- disqualification AND repetition of the race
-3- in case of qualification turns, he can decide to admit "bona fide" to the following turn the athlete who has been victim of the obstuction.
He cannot assign the medals! That's not democracy.
pk8z 5 months ago
This is the new generation of Cuban athletes.
ositamisha 5 months ago
im cuban and i feel shame, dayron act without no honor, he cheat plain and simple he tried to slow down liu no ones, no twice, but three times, the cubans even protest that is even more dishonorable, they should apoligized to the chinise people and to Mr. Liu, i as a cuban feel shame and sorry for what happen the victory belong to Mr.Liu.
guaso19661 5 months ago
@guaso19661 dear Cuban, be proud of Robles.
It has ben an accident.
Both Robles AND Xiang were damaged, but Xiang unbalanced more.
It happens, but Robles didn't anything different than his usual technique.
Xiang's right arm and Robles arm were in the maximum possible speed position in opposite directions at the same time, and that's all.
Xiang LOST his medal, and that's a pity, Robles was disqualified, and that's a pity as well, but it was an accident. Nothing more.
pk8z 5 months ago
@guaso19661 i dont he won fair :)
slayerz099 5 months ago
Liue is the best in 110 he's know but i think his junksed
In every bog tournement something happe to him last time he was injured this time this fool have done this what's next ....
xxxcalaguaxxx 5 months ago
@MrRedeeps
I only discuss. I don't argue. I don't fight. I don't abuse. I am fine with you having a different opinion from me and would defend your right to do so. Do I have the right to have a different opinion from you?
gapoization 5 months ago
@gapoization well... yes! :)
pk8z 5 months ago
All the frontal shots & slow motion clips here tell all:
In order to block Liu,pretending to be an "accident",Robles CONSCIOULY started drifting towards Liu once he caught up at 8th! At 9th,almost 1/5 of his BODY & ENTIRE of his right arm were INSIDE Liu's lane!
After HIT & PULL which sent Liu off balance, Robles CONTINUED TO STAY to do it again at 10th. NO INTENTION whatsoever to move back to his own lane to avoid further contact, completely contradicting to "accident" mindset. A SCUM!
MrRedeeps 5 months ago
@MrRedeeps yes, I agree with you the contact at 10th was inside Liu's Lane, but de contact at 9th was inside Roble's Lane and for this reason Robles lose speed and goes to his rigth, all the frontal shots that you could see is not made with the frontal camera, ( IAAF deny to give or repeat videos with the frontal and birdseye camera,couse they are wrong)
ticonet070869 5 months ago
@MrRedeeps In your personal physics, don't you think you forgot something?...
After an inelastic collision (partially inelastic...) like this one, there is an exchange of energy.
It caused a bigger damage to Xiang than Robles.
The force makes BOTH change their directions, and unbalance the body segments. They simply cannot lurk as you suggest without being severely damaged.
The CORRECT choice is to waste the minimum effort, mostly running STRAIGHT FORWARD, hoping to avoid obstructing anyone.
pk8z 5 months ago
@pk8z sorry... ELASTIC collision. :)
Inelastic means that the colliding bodyes "become one" and then continue together.
When they bounce it is ELASTIC. Since it isn't an ideal collision, and there are dissipations, it is not COMPLETELY elastic, but PARTIALLY.
(but much more elastic than inelastic)
pk8z 5 months ago
lol all black dudes wtf...
TicklesMeSillyYou 5 months ago
At least the Chinese STILL LOST
uberschnack 5 months ago
@uberschnack at least the the Chinese did not cheat unlike some inferior kind.
dilegentelectron 5 months ago
@dilegentelectron Bro, you talking about the Cuban cheating? Yeah, I ain't Cuban. Ergo, it don't really make sense to talk shit about 'the inferior kind' unless you mean because he's black.
I got no problem with Chinese people. Or with y'alls government. I just think some of you take this racial pride shit so seriously.
uberschnack 4 months ago
@uberschnack I didn't say anyone is inferior because of his skin color but because of what he does.
dilegentelectron 4 months ago
@MrRedeeps
Hurdling (110m) is mechanically very different from sprinting on the flat (100m & 200m) but both have a heavy reliance on using the arms that people who know little about biomechanics do not realize. Unlike in sprinting on the flat, hurdlers need 2 throw out an arm as a counterbalance 2 the extension and lifting of the lead leg as it clears the hurdle. Like fooftballers & tennis players, hurdlers are left & right handed & l & r handed. The opposite arm counterbalances the lead leg.
gapoization 6 months ago
@gapoization
STFU! You need counterbalance with IQ, as reasoning is beyond your thick skull!
NO DUMB excuses: TELL ME ONE 110H FINAL in d ENTIRE FU#@ING HISTORY where first 2 guys heavily clashing into each other's arms in d last 2 hurdles in a roll!
Tell me 1 example!
NO SUCH A THING except this!
Robles was PERFECTLY OKE in heats, semis, & in his racing history, but SUDDENLY has "problem" here when he's LOSING.
Mathematically, the chance of coincidence is close to ZERO!
MrRedeeps 5 months ago
@MrRedeeps the choice of the lane is randomly chosen.
The fact that I cannot remember a final with an accident like this one doesn't mean it cannot happen.
The probability that the best athletes are so close, their hands in opposite directions, and so on is not so big.
The variables are so many that you simply cannot judge.
I have downloaded and watched the video very attentively, and I still continue to see the same.
pk8z 5 months ago
@MrRedeeps MR> Mathematically, the chance of
MR> coincidence is close to ZERO!
ROTFL...
Dear friend... stop watching "Numb3rs"! :-D
Real athletics is VERY different. :D I'd be interested in having a precise idea of your statistics.
The only CONSTANT in athletics, expecially in HURDLING is that any competition is always different from the other ones.
This kind of accident happen continuously. (continue in the next msg...)
pk8z 5 months ago
@MrRedeeps With 8 lane, you have from 1/8 to 2/8 chance to have your direct opponent close to you.
Then you have from 0 to 1/8 to have him in a "dangerous position" (the side of the opposit arm of the leading leg).
If you got one of the first 4 results in the qualification, the chances rise (from 1/4 to 2/4 and from 0 to 1/4).
If you consider the possible technical mistakes lurkings etc... you'll find that it's much more likely than you could imagine. Lukily it's rare, but far from impossible.
pk8z 5 months ago
@gapoization Great... and Robles was already unbalanced from hitting the 8th hurdle.
Consequently he hadn't the right hip position at the 9th hurdle, and his right arm made a wider movement (direct consequence of an unbalanced position).
If you count the frames (I did it...) you'll find a decrease of Robles' speed of over 8%!
Xiang was even more unlucky, but I can't advice no intention in Robles.
pk8z 5 months ago
No DQ! The only reason Robles moved over is because he was forced to do so after clashing with Oliver in the first two hurdles. If you ever hurdled, you know it's just part of the race (and Oliver states that in his interview). How do you know Robles didn't do it on purpose? After he grabbed the wrist on #9, his arm swing was shorter in #10 and his hands were closed!
nsmooth56 6 months ago
@nsmooth56 Look for his 12.88 video on youtube.
You'll see the same hand grasping, but nobody close to him.
search this in youtube ZQ0lhDyhgfA
This is his normal technique.
He closed his hand, and moved the forearm close to the chest on the 10th hurdle only to avoid further problems, which doesn't imply anything else.
pk8z 5 months ago
I think that Robles and Liu are excellents runners, but today Robles is the best ruuners of 110 hurdles.
ticonet070869 6 months ago
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@ticonet070869 because u are black???
TheKingdann 5 months ago
there is no difference between cheating with drugs to get the No.1 and cheating with pulling or dragging to get it.
If the former is banned apart from only DQ, why the latter is not banned but only DQ??!!
Pulling & dragging are even wrose than drug taking which doesn't hurt others.
As Colin jackson has emphasized, hurdling is the most dangerous track sport to get endured. Lucky that Liu didn't end up in a hospital bed due to the high speed fouls at 9th and 10th hurdles by the negro.
MrRedeeps 6 months ago
@MrRedeeps Right, there is no difference, but cheating is intentional, an accident is unintentional.
And by the way... what competition is more dangerous between 110hs and 400hs in your opinion?
What is the faster competition? ;)
pk8z 5 months ago
Liu could have finished up well inside 13'10''.
There had been NO arm & hand contact between the leaders in all 100, 200,110H finals in the entire championship history prior to this one!
Just look at the race: nobody's arm was close to the one next to him, left or right, EXCEPT Robles. And his arm didn't go to his left side track, but only the right side! In the semis however when Liu was on his left, Robles stayed perfectly in his track.
The negro is such a cheating bastard! BAN him!
MrRedeeps 6 months ago
@MrRedeeps thirteen MINUTES and ten SECONDS? ;)
pk8z 5 months ago
watch this
/watch?v=OYEz1rrp9zU&nofeather=True
its obvious that Robles cheats!!
vaneching 6 months ago
@vaneching obvious? Really?
Take a look at this
minute 2.43
/watch?v=ZQ0lhDyhgfA
well... okay... same arm and grasping hand movement, but... wait...
No one near him?!?
I can't se Xiang!
Where is he?!?
Ah... sure... Now I understand... :) He was already planning this trick since 2008.
Come on, people... It's been an accident. This is his common technique!
pk8z 5 months ago
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Donde Esta Spicet Tricket! Puta, Tu Mucho Cheato Con Mano!! Ding A Ling A Ling A Ling A Ling Ling Ling....Boingigigigigig!!! OHHH, YOU GRABE MYE HANDDE...WHATA YOU DOIN? Ding A Ling A Ling A Ling A Ling Ling Ling....Boingigigigigig!!! LOOK EYE ALWAYS LOOK EYE!! FOCUS Roblesan!! SHOW ME PAINT THE HOUSE...
CptUSAmerica 6 months ago
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Man this is world championship race not a ghetto run...................
AbDiNhO70 6 months ago
WOWOWWO.... what was Robles thinking?
Phead128 6 months ago
@Phead128 If you run a 110hs you have no time for thinking.
Just run.
No time for tricks.
Just run.
And that's all...
pk8z 5 months ago
@pk8z
No thinking because he has no brain!
Phead128 5 months ago
@Phead128
Robles and Xiang are the two of the best performers in history.
Running a speed/hurdles competition requires great powers of concentration.
If you want to express your full potential you have to switch off thought and rationality, and greatly expand consciousness and instinct.
You cannot waste time and mind resources for thinking if you want to reach your maximum.
Each time you THINK about anything in a fast competition, you'll lose control and concentration.
This is what I mean.
pk8z 5 months ago
@pk8z
Well, it's a championship, final, gold medal, and it's not any kind of bump, it's a bump that makes or breaks a final gold medal championship.
Phead128 5 months ago
@Phead128
Where is the difference?
What if Oliver (4th) and Merritt (5th) were in the same situation?
Let's say that Sharman hits Merrit...Sharman has to be disqualified EXACTLY as Robles, regardless of the kind of race or the placement.
Accident happens and athletes are humans, they make errors.
A perfect "clean" performance is almost impossible in hurdling, and usually the performers are "acrobats" able to manage critical dynamic conditions, which doesn't save them from ALL errors, trust me.
pk8z 5 months ago
@steeeeeven11
I agree if you look at Robles' right hand in the motion before the 1st contact, it looks like Robles tried to grab Liu's arm and missed. In the 2nd contact it looks like Robles grabbed Liu's arm. Now look at the Eurosport Video Clip of Robles' World Record race. in the head on view, you see EXACTLY the same "reaching" far to right with outstreched fingers and "grabbing" motion with closing fingers even when nobody is near him. How do you explain this? Are you still 100% sure?
gapoization 6 months ago
@gapoization
explaination: the fuck is a cheat , the arm and hand gesture was there even in his record race ( in case someone closing up to him).
who the fuck moves his arms HORIZONZALLY in the final step of a final? in100m, 200m, 110H? NO ONE but Robles against Liu when the latter was winning.What a coincidence!
in the semis when Liu was on his left side instead, how come Robles didn't go to right side since "he's used to it", but stayed perfectly in the middle of his track, huh?
MrRedeeps 6 months ago
@gapoization explaination
R. hits badly the 8th hurdle, and reaches the 9th with the hips in a bad position.
This amplifies his right arm movement to compensate.
X. begins, as USUAL, his left arm movement CONTRACTING the shoulder and STOPPING the arm movement.
When X. pulls down the leading leg, he begins as well moving the left hand.
At the very same time Robles is completing his action.
BUMP! ( 0.14s).
They both are damaged, but X. ends completely unbalanced with BOTH arms in front of him.
pk8z 5 months ago
@steeeeeven
I agree if you look at Robles' right hand in the motion before the 1st contact, it looks like Robles tried to grab Liu's arm and missed. In the 2nd contact it looks like Robles grabbed Liu's arm. Now look at the Eurosport Video Clip of Robles' World Record race. Explain why, in the head on view, you see EXACTLY the same "reaching" far to right with outstreched fingers and "grabbing" motion with closing fingers even when nobody is near him. Are you still 100% sure?
gapoization 6 months ago
@gapoization Great!
A clue...
What if Robles usually uses this same technique? ;)
pk8z 5 months ago
Man this is world championship race not a ghetto run...................
AbDiNhO70 6 months ago
@AbDiNhO70 lolololol, he was running from the cops
arthus123 6 months ago
@arthus123 loooooooooool exactly
AbDiNhO70 6 months ago
Fuck Robles!
Ban Him
shnrrr 6 months ago
DAYRON ROBLES AND CUBA = EPIC INFERIORITY COMPLEX
gatbeit 6 months ago
Did you notice that after the race, Robles went to hug Liu. Why? Because Robles knew he hit Liu and he felt guilt. Anyone thought Robles did that by accident. Look at 3 more sec in slow motion before the hit happened.(concentrate on R's right hand) Robles tried to grab Liu at the first time but he failed. Robles, learn to race like a man!
steeeeeven11 6 months ago
刘翔的大度我很赞赏，刘翔是一个出色的运动员，关键在于他是一个热爱运动的人，谢谢你刘翔为我们中国人，至少你大度，我们很支持你
yangliweng 6 months ago
@iohudave
I saw the race many, many times in fast and slow motion (look at the time of my 1st comment). You are a little bit confused between right and left in your private message to me. This is about Liu & Richardsn only. Rbls DQ was right. Centered does not mean the perfect center. It just means far enough inside your lane not to RISK making contact with the guy near you. Do you agree that Richardsn did not touch Robls? Ok. Do you agree that if Liu was more right, Rbl could not touch him? Ok!
gapoization 6 months ago
@xylitol83
We never know what would have happened if there had been no contact between Robles and Liu. We don't know why Liu caught up with Robles between hurdle 6 and hurdle 8. It could be because Liu accelerated in the middle section. It could be because Robles slowed down in the middle section. Robles could have accelerated again after hurdle 10 or Liu could have. Liu could have dipped first at the line or Robles could have. If Liu ran centered in his line he might have won gold. Nobody knows
gapoization 6 months ago
@gapoization are you blind?
jefferswang2008 5 months ago
@MalCobb63
Do you mean all of them should run again, or without Robles? I think most people would agree that Robles' DQ was right. BOTH Liu & Robles CHOSE to take the RISK of NOT running in the centre of their lanes, but near eack other's lanes, to put extra pressure on each other. Richardson ran centered in his lane and did not hit anybody. If Liu had chosen to run centered in his lane, Robles could NOT have hit him & Liu would maybe have won. Why should Richardson pay for Liu & Robles errors?
gapoization 6 months ago
@gapoization OMG, you didnt even watch the race. Liu is a little bit on the right, that is true, but he is still on his track. Robles is far on the left, he is partially jumpinging over Liu's hurdle (right leg on last hurdle). and Richardson is centered in his lane? lol, watch again. there was one moment i was trying to defend for Robles, because Richardson was running far left of his track too. and i thought maybe that is why Robles running to the left? trying to dodge Richardson?
iohudave 6 months ago
@iohudave but before the hurdle 9 (the first contact), Liu going run on the left of his track (normal in 110), in this moment the arms contac is over Roble's Lane (9 hurdle), for this Robles goes to rigth the same Liu and the second contact is over Liu's Lane ( last hurdle), this you can see clearly in birdseye camera, this video IAFF don't wants to repeat, but the videos that you can see in the media, the angle that's is not clear.
ticonet070869 6 months ago
@xylitol83
I have a very high level of understanding of physics. If you can be more specific, I will try to answer any query you raise relating to physics. Your giving 2 possible reasons why he hugged Liu fits what I am saying. There can be be more than one explanation for most things. Even something that seems certain can be wrong. My view (read as many of my previous comments as you can), is that Robles was at fault. DQ was the right decision. But only Robles knows if he deliberately cheated.
gapoization 6 months ago
@gapoization Iaaf rule 163.2 doesn't tell anything about intentionality.
Obstruction => disqualification
So, the disqualification is the right decision, but this doesn't make Robles a cheater.
pk8z 5 months ago
2:50
ELEMONTZ 6 months ago
they should run again...
MalCobb63 6 months ago
@MalCobb63 not at this world championship.
The second part of Iaaf rule 163.2 (the one used for Robles) states
"The Referee shall have the authority to order the race to be reheld excluding any disqualified athlete[...]"
So the choice was to disqualify Robles only, or disqualify him AND repeat the final without Robles.
In my humble opinion, the repetition was possible and justified, since Xiang looked so superior to everybody.
pk8z 5 months ago
@GaryWeichannel
Too many words to translate. But I'll give you an idea what the French guys were saying.
At the end of the actual race, they said Liu is "maudit" meaning "jinxed" (always has bad luck). During the side view replays, they said Liu's leg either hit a hurdle or his arm made accidental contact with Robles, losing his rhythm and losing the acceleration he used to catch up to Robles. Seeing the front view, they said "Ah! He will be DQ'!"! "He grabbed his arm"! "This cannot stand"!
gapoization 6 months ago
@gapoization One of the speaker is called Stephane. He could be easily be Caristan or Diagana, two great french Hurdles. Anyway...
"Il est maudit Liu Xiang... il est maudit!" ("Liu Xiang is cursed... he's cursed!")
[...] "AAAAAh!!! He's going to be disqualified!"
"Twice... that's not nice, because his arm suddendly reached for Xiang's."
"Yes, he grabbed his hand."
[... some repetitions...]
"It's Richardson who is going to be the world champion, because this won't be unpunished."
pk8z 5 months ago