Bahá'u'lláh about the Suffering of Jesus Christ

[MsMissin]

Praise The LORD JESUS CHRIST!!!! The only begotten son of GOD the father!!!!!! JESUS CHRIST is tha Alpha and the Omega the beginning and the end!!!! Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

[fsmtdaler]

@MsMissin Interestingly enough, Krsna also said that He was the Alpha and the Omega about a 1000 years before Christ. Also, the Bab, in 1844 spoke the same words. Now when Jesus said, before Abraham was, I am, that means that His eternal reality exists prior to the appearance of His physical existence. This means that "He" was before Jesus, as well, for Abraham was before Jesus. Now who are we to limit what God says, or Who He speaks to us through?

[aaronlee75]

Jesus the Christ, when asked what the greatest teaching of God was, He answered; "To love God, the Father, with all your being and soul. The second is like this. That is, to love your neighbor as yourself."

All religions agree with this. Whatever your faith may be, live by these two greatest teachings.

Also, as Surah 109 teachs, to each their own religion...and likewise to each their own reward. God knows His own. As Christ says, we are all rewarded for our works...let others to thmselves

[cookin21]

take a look at the writings then lets talk. find a baha'i community and go in there look, ask, do what you need to do to prove what you believe. God is his word, his word is his son, and his son is the spirit. His return , is that same word, same spirit, same God with more duties for man.

[cookin21]

@ serge;When he say's "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. (Galatians 1:8)" doesn't it sound like 'any other' means different from the last? The baha'i faith doesn't teach different, from my understanding,it teaches the same plus more duties prescribed unto man that will help usher in peace on earth, and reciprocity among men. Jesus lead me to 2 baha' faith after i prayed to him for over an hour.

[LPATWILLFILM]

@cookin21 JESUS CHRIST OF THE BIBLE DID NOT LEAD YOU TO ONE THAT IS LOWER AND LESS THAN HIM! YOU ARE DECEIVED BY THE SPIRIT OF THIS AGE, THE SPIRIT OF THE ANTICHRIST AND DOCTRINES OF DEVILS AND SEDUCING SPIRITS. JESUS CHRIST IS LORD and HE makes no bones about it! :) THAT HE IS THE WAY, THE TRUTH & THE LIFE and THE DOOR, so why would THE ONE TRUE LORD AND SAVIOR OF THE WORLD JESUS CHRIST "lead" you to a "little man whom was exiled in 1853?" WAKE UP... BAHAI IS THE SPIRIT OF ANTICHRIST!

[cookin21]

@ serge When he say's "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. (Galatians 1:8)" doesn't it sound like 'any other' means different from the last? The baha'i faith doesn't teach different, from my understanding,it teaches the same plus more duties prescribed unto man that will help usher in peace on earth, and reciprocity among men. jesus lead me to the faith after i prayed to him for over an hour.

[sayar119]

God bless you Herr Badi Panahi ,we miss you so much

[ejaye61]

I am constrained to mention here, the interesting, emotion evoking music from the film Schindler's List that you have chosen to use. It is still thought provoking that God gave a great miracle to the rabbi who was the hinge maker...the only rabbi in that group! What are the usual "human odds" that 3 guns would jam in the Nazi's attempt to kill him? God needed worshipers and a witnesses to His Faithfulness even in horrible circumstances.

[Serge1965]

Oh, glad to see that comments have been put back on! And the man made religion of the Bahai still smells funny, Peter, how can you call upon muslims and Christians to join under your umbrella when we know for a fact that the coran teaches muslims to lie and to kill Jews and Christians namely? The god of the islamist is a loser fallen angel also called the moon god in a religion while the Christians follow the only True Living God in a personal relationship.

[parvizdeamer]

@Serge1965 Wow dude, need to be careful with throwing around those accusations! I'm not Muslim, but i know the Quran calls for respect for the 'People of the Book,' the Jews and the Muslims...its the powering seeking clergy of Islam that have warped the words of the Muhammad. These are the same kind of clergy that warped the religion of Christ to allow the Crusades...Lets be careful that we don't mistake the Pure teaching of God for the gross mistranslation those that seek power in His name.

[parvizdeamer]

@parvizdeamer People of the Book refers to Jews and Christians ...my bad!

[Serge1965]

@parvizdeamer I understand that we must be nice to one another and i am called to love everybody, i love muslims but the book called coran is not inspired by my God, i have verses here that are compelling to prove my point and i would suggest to anyone to read for themselves with the love of Truth in their hearts, political correctness seeks to kill Truth but Truth will always prevail, Jesus Christ is Lord and God and only by faith in His Name shall man be saved

[parvizdeamer]

@Serge1965 If that is your Truth, that is fine. But we all know that Jesus put Love foremost. All your comments serve to do is create hatred. If you really wanted to make people believe in the Truth of Jesus, wouldn't it be better to share with them that Love that Jesus sacrificed Himself to bring, rather than aggressive comments? Wouldn't that make this world a better place? (btw, this isn't political correctness, as a Baha'i I believe that all major religions stemmed from the same God.)

[Serge1965]

@parvizdeamer You are mistaking my opinions that you portray as hatred while in fact, i love you enough to tell you that there is not many ways to God but only One which is Jesus Christ, that statement isn't inclusive but it comes from God and He is my Authority, that you have a problem with that, i understand since we live in a smooshy feeling inclusive society but that is dangerous thinking spiritually and Jesus Christ is NOT about religiosities but about Personal Relationship,

[Serge1965]

@parvizdeamer Either you know Jesus in personal relationship and live forever or you don't and you follow teachings of man made religions and perish, that might hurt your sovereign mind right about now but i love you enough to tell you that we can walk in repentance with Jesus Christ in 2010 just as the disciples did when He walked the shores of Galilea

[fsmtdaler]

@Serge1965 You know Serge, I also know Christ. I am born again. Christ led me to Baha'u'llah. He (Jesus) can lead you also. You must pray sincerely that the scales be lifted from your eyes, so that Saul can become Paul... Read the 1844 Prophecies of the Advent, the 1260 Days (42 months x 30), the Time, Times, and 1/2 Time (360 x 3 1/2 =1260). It all adds up. "The Lord shall set His Throne in Elam", which is Persia (Jeremiah 49:38) where Daniel had his visions

[Serge1965]

@fsmtdaler What does it really mean to be born again ?, And if you sincerely know Jesus Christ as your Lord, Savior and Master, knowing that the whole Bible is the inherent and infallable Word of God and that Jesus is described by John chapt 1 as The Word of God and the Word made flesh who dwelt among us, how would you explain this passage?: But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. (Galatians 1:8)

[Serge1965]

Yup, i knew something smelled funny with that kool aid religion, all comments obliterated LOL,

[PeterJDeer]

@Serge1965 - The comments are still there, so you not seeing them is not the faith's problem, it's yours.

[Serge1965]

The apocrypha does not belong in the original texts in Hebrew so i would discard them and in the King James, there is no mention of muhammad for the 2 witnesses that most certainly will be EliJah and Moses rather than someone who was not in the Bible to begin with. Your reference to 1844 is a heresy since we do not know the day nor the hour, only the Fasther knows, all we are taught is to be expecting, the 1260 days is about the GReat trib of 3 and half years coming soon

[PeterJDeer]

@Serge1965 - 1844 is the day the Bab came, Baha'u'llah came in 1863, and it is Baha'u'llah Who we believe to be the Second Coming.

Call it heresy if you so desire, but you provide no refutation to it. Say it does not mention them if you desire, that they 'are not contained in the Bible', but I have shown you where, and provided evidence. I can provide other instances should you so desire.

[ejaye61]

The Ascension and the Return of Jesus Christ: Acts 1:9 And when he(Jesus) had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

10.And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

11.Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? THIS SAME JESUS , which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in LIKE MANNER as ye have seen him go into heaven. (KJV)

[PeterJDeer]

@ejaye61 - "Thus it is that Jesus, Himself, declared: "I go away and come again unto you." Consider the sun. Were it to say now, "I am the sun of yesterday," it would speak the truth. And should it, bearing the sequence of time in mind, claim to be other than that sun, it still would speak the truth." -Kitab-i-Iqan

"Each one believeth in God, and His Angels, and His Books, and His Apostles: we make no distinction between any of His Apostles." -Qur'an, 2nd Sura

[PeterJDeer]

@ejaye61 - Now, consider 'in like manner': Jesus left, with almost everyone thinking He was dead and gone, and returned the same way. His enemies, the so-called heads of the very faith He came to fulfill, scoffed at Him and thought Him weak and Human, but still feared His message; so it is with His return. They mocked at His signs and His writings, ascribed flaws to His person, and sought vainly to use literal interpretation of prophecy to refute Him; this conversation shows it is so even now.

[PeterJDeer]

@Serge1965 - The apocrypha was considered legitimate by the same people who decided the books you read today are legitimate, and are found in the dead sea scrolls, the oldest known copy of the hebrew bible. What you consider the official "canon" was not even agreed upon by Catholics until 1546, the same year Martin Luther died. In fact, Martin Luther, the one who developed the canon you now consider infallible, doubted many of the books you now read, such as James and Jude. Food for thought.

[Serge1965]

God had already said that He would preserve His Word through generations: The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.(Psalm 12:6-7) This is exactly what the Lord has done,the Bibles we have today have the same system message skilfully designed in Heaven and kept through generation, Word for Word

[PeterJDeer]

@Serge1965 - The words of the LORD. He does not say "The words of the disciples of the Son." I see nothing whatsoever saying that Paul's epistles are divinely revealed infallible laws, simply because they were included in the same big compilation with their accounts of what Jesus said.

[Serge1965]

@PeterJDeer read Paul's letter, that they glorify Jesus Christ time and again, 2 Timothy 3 16 is clear: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: John 1:1 describes Jesus : In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. and Peter agreed in his letters that Paul's letters were inspired, the 66 books are so intertwined that attempts to discredit them are laughable.

[PeterJDeer]

@Serge1965 - That's not really relevant to the point though. Yes, Paul praises Christ, but then so does Baha'u'llah and you certainly have made it clear you do not consider Him infallible on that premise.

Once more, you still have not addressed the second part of my first point; even if Paul were infallible, and there is NOT indication to this, the verse you cited from His epistle does not say that Jesus could not say anything new - which He said that He would anyway.

[Serge1965]

@PeterJDeer Peter, i believe you willingly want to stay in your religion and use as book created by man's imagination, not inspired and that is fine but it remains your choice but never compare your book with the authority and finite revelations to mankind contained in the Bible, the Alpha starting in eternity and in Genesis 1:1 telling us how it started and the Omega in the Book of Revelation telling us how it will end

[PeterJDeer]

@Serge1965 - Not inspired, you say? And how do you propose to argue that? Be careful; because the same arguments have been made by people of other faiths against Jesus.

What's more, Revelation is a book which foretells the coming of Muhammad, the Bab, and Baha'u'llah in explicit terms, even up to the exact number of years, so if you're going to argue Revelation to me be warned that Revelation shows some of the clearest proofs of the truth of this faith.

[Serge1965]

@PeterJDeer Not inspired by my God if they do not point to Christ alone for Salvation, Christianity is not a religion nor an inclusive faith nor a feel good theology, Christianity is to follow Christ in personal relationship, not man's inspiration from an obscure source, the Book of Revelation is the unveiling of Jesus Christ to the apostle John that John gave to the Ekklesia(Church(body of believers) i am not afraid, i know my Bible.

[Serge1965]

Dear Peter, iam surprised to witness the attempt of demolishing the Christian faith to the profit of the inclusive religion of Bahai, the Textus Receptus are indeed from the 1500's late Byzantyne text that was used to to counter verify the original Greek and for the Septuagint, everything in relation with the original Hebrew texts, the Septuagint was commissioned in 300 BC by the Jews and is comparable with what was found in Qumran in 1947, conted

[PeterJDeer]

@Serge1965 - "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

We nourish souls for the sake of God. We require neither recompense nor thanks. Your insinuation to the contrary is, frankly, no less insidious than that which the Pharisees accused Jesus of, and equally as baseless.

[Serge1965]

@PeterJDeer Your accusation is baseless since it does not find base on Biblical Truth but on man's words, i merely said that i would not accept your teachings because religion is pointless when you can freely have a relationship with Jesus Christ the Living Creator God and Master of the universe by reading His Word, the Bible, no other silly books on earth are needed, Jesus wants you and me to know Him personally and to walk with Him, that's it.

[PeterJDeer]

@Serge1965 - Basically you're saying that there's no point in Jesus returning.

And that's where I disagree with your interpretation of Christianity.

[Serge1965]

@PeterJDeer You are putting words in my mouth there Peter, i never said that, i long for the return of Jesus Christ and the sooner He returns, the better and i truly believe that He is actually at the door and that we can almost hear His footsteps, if you want to be deceived with your false religion, so be it, i will remain with the Bible, the infallable Word of God and i have everything i need, thank you

[PeterJDeer]

@Serge1965 - Again, I say to you that Jesus HAS returned, that He come to fulfill His word, and has brought a Revelation which will heal the world and unite its peoples. It is you who says there is no reason why we would need what He has said, and call this faith false, as the Jews did with Jesus.

But I say again, as before, "If ye deny these verses, by what proof have ye believed in God?" By what proof do you believe in the words of Jesus that can't be found in Baha'u'llah?

[Serge1965]

@PeterJDeer Ok Peter, let me make it clearer, we do not need the teachings of the Bahai, we have all we need in the Bible, the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end, the last book is called the Revelation(singular) and because Jesus is the Living Word of God as described in John 1:1, Jesus is God the Almighty as declared in Revelation 1:8 and reinforced in Revelation 2:8, if you add to His Word, He will take your part from the Book of life Rev. 22:19

[PeterJDeer]

@Serge1965 - You basically just seem to be repeatedly dodging the fact that Jesus said that He had more to say, despite your arguments that no more may be said.

[Serge1965]

@PeterJDeer Well, Peter, there is only one way to know if i am right or way too far gone in the left field, i believe that the prophecies of the OT were fulfilled with 100% acuracy and by believing so, the prophecies about Christ's second coming will be fulfilled with just as much acuracy since God's preophecies are not just mere predictions of man but sure promises from God so if the church is raptured soon, my best advice is take the Bible more seriously

[PeterJDeer]

@Serge1965 - If prophecy is the proof by which you determine it, then you and I should have no problem; I can demonstrate that the Bab and Baha'u'llah fulfilled countless prophecies. Where would you like to start? Half of Revelation and Daniel are referring to them, if you want I can list numerous examples.

Honestly, there's plenty of prophecy fulfilled by Muhammad, the Bab, and Baha'u'lah; if that's your proof, then you should be satisfied with them as well (and also Zoroaster).

[Serge1965]

@PeterJDeer Man, your religion is dangerous if you put the Bible on equal stand with the stupid qoran of a false and pedophile prophet called mohammed, Peter, we cannot mix the only Book of Life(Bible) with every book written by men who were not inspired by God, the Bible is the only True Word of the Only True Living God, your prophecies of the other books are just no match for the Bible

[PeterJDeer]

@Serge1965 - Really serge, I've been talking about this for a long time; do you really think I'd still be talking about this if I hadn't thoroughly investigated and completely debunked the Aisha argument? Refer to my comments on the subject on videos regarding Islam, don't waste my time with it here.

As for 'not inspired by God' atheists say the same thing about Jesus and Moses, and frankly you're not providing any better arguments than theirs.

[Serge1965]

@PeterJDeer So far, you haven't provided anything substantial for your Bahai religion but you have willingly tried to diminish the Bible and Christianity while Islam is a man made religion invented in the 600's AD(After Christ) and your religion is just an invention of man like any other religiosities out there such as the mormons or the religion of the watch tower society cie, tell me Peter, who is your God? What is his name?

[PeterJDeer]

@Serge1965 - Serge, that's simply not true; I have asked that you tell me the logical basis of your belief in Jesus and offered to prove my faith by the exact same logic; I have taken the logic of your denials of my faith and applied them to your own, showing both the flaws in the argument and the contradictory nature of using them to deny this faith. Really, all you've done is used fallacious comparisons, using ridicule, prejudice, guilt by association, and false dichotomies in non-arguments.

[Serge1965]

@PeterJDeer Nothing on earth compares with the authority of the Holy Scriptures in the Bible, nothing even comes close to the 66 books written over a span of 1500 years and pointing to Christ ,everything is there in history,archeology, Empirical science to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt of the veracity of the claims in the Bible, in other words, the writings of the Bahai are a loss of time, so far Peter, you have demonstrated zilch, nada about your man made writings.

[PeterJDeer]

@Serge1965 - Alright, let me put this to you; how do you determine that your writings are divine and mine are 'man made'? Produce your argument, and by it I shall either show the flaws in its logic or, if it is a sound proof, prove my Book by the same logic. You can say "history, archaeology, empirical science" and I could say the same proves my Books, but until you produce what you are referring to, the proof by which you believe, how can you claim to have an argument?

[PeterJDeer]

@Serge1965 - Furthermore, I can show you in the Bible where the prophecies speak of Muhammad right down to how long His ministry would be, if prophecy is proof of Christ to you then I submit that you have no cause by which to deny Muhammad, let alone the Bab or Baha'u'llah, Who are referred to even more explicitly in prophecy.

[Serge1965]

@PeterJDeer Try me, i know my Bible very well and your mohammed isn't in the Bible and even less of your bab guy, i don't know what version of what book you read but the more i read you, it looks like your book might be a fraud filled with lies and heresies, it sure ain,t the Bible.

[PeterJDeer]

@Serge1965 - I generally read the King James version, though I do read multiple translations. I often refer to the deuterocanonical apocrypha as well.

As for Muhammad and the Bab "not being in the bible", Muhammad is one of the 'two witnesses' God would give His power, the power even to shut heaven, mentioned in Revelation 11:3 who would Prophecy 1260 days (1260 AH, in the Islamic calendar, is also 1844 AD, the advent of the Bab, a year also mentioned in the book of Daniel 8:13)

[CandlesOfUnity]

Uglygoon !

Set aside your prejudices. Back up a bit and you will find that any good administration has to employ some kind of devices to enlist its members. Nothing strange in that. This number is never used but to register to some very special Baha'i events (I must have used it twice in decades). As a Baha'i, you HAVE to vote as a citizen. It's one of your prerogative and must use it. But you do not vote for a party, just for the person that seem to represent the best candidate to you.

[DivineInterllect]

One who believes in the End, give up on all Humankind including self. One who believes in Begining again places preference on all Humankind beyond self.

That is in essence the fight between Good & Evil.

[ElPasoJoe1]

xxBadixx - My sweet and beloved brother, thank you for this. My Catholic and deeply Christian faith is fulfilled in Baha'u'llah. This is indeed the great and ancient Faith of God renewed for today.

[RKSeams]

The book of revelations is the last book in the bible, because there will be more to be written about with the second coming. Time to update, upgrade, evolve, learn, unite, come forward and be judged on your actions and words. There is much work to do and be done.

[BuydensSherwin]

Serge, may I buy all your goods for $1? You won't need them in the "Book of the Apocalypse". You believe in the end, I believe in the beginning. Will you make the same mistake as the Millerites in 1844? Let history prove me right (not that I want to be) . . .

[Serge1965]

I have given pretty much everything and sold a few items, and for the last year, i have been living on faithh, the Lord has provided, i believe in eternal life with Jesus if you are following Him and not religions invented by man, the Bible teaches that there will be an end to this fallen world and that a new Heaven and a new earth will happen, Peter prophesied that the destruction to come will be by fire this time since God promised that He would not do it again by water

[rhapsodist9]

@Serge1965 You know your scripture well. It is a pleasure to see. What if "heaven" is the covenant of God with man (the unleavened bread) and "earth" are the religions' Churches (Christianity, Islam, Judaism, etc)? And fire... what if his agent of destroying the "heavens" and the "earth" is the "fire" of His love?

[Serge1965]

@rhapsodist9 thanks, I understand that the first coming of Christ was as Savior of mankind but that the second coming of Christ is as an Avenger of blood, the fire coming in something that resembles nuclear in Zechariah 14:12 is judgement just as the global flood was judgement, God loves us yes and with passion too but there will be an end to sin, praise Him!

[rhapsodist9]

@Serge1965 True true!!! Consider, Peter I 4:1 wherein it reads "4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh...no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God."

..reminded by Paul to seek spiritual opinions, and told by Peter to suffer as Christ,, what do you think is spiritually significant that the flesh, in Zechariah, will "consume away"?

[Serge1965]

@rhapsodist9 I would say that according to Scripture, no flesh shall inherit the Kingdom of God, the incorruptible must come for us first as our bodies are temporary dwellings as described by Paul, the fire seems to be a tool of refinement of our God as He also tried His Word in the furnace of the earth 7 times, Psalm 66:12 talks about God putting us through fire and trials to finally emerge in a spacious(wealthy) place! Amen?

[Serge1965]

@rhapsodist9 @Serge1965 I meant to write water instead of trials in my last comment by the way

[rhapsodist9]

@Serge1965 Amen! How I agree with you!! Consider it from this perspective: the love of God is so powerful, that without the aide of His faithful, and in the eyes of those who obey their own lusts and vain imaginings, it can destroy us! And the water, the WORD, is so powerful, that without his love it can overwhelm us, and drown us in its might. That is one reason we have intermediaries, the Prophets, the Saints, etc... were God to speak directly to us, we would be "destroyed!"

[rhapsodist9]

@Serge1965 heh... I didn't mean to post it like that. But I think it's sufficient for what I mean to say... I like the passages you reference in our conversation. They're each quite potent.

[Serge1965]

@rhapsodist9 Just one more thing, the prophets and the saints are not intermediaries, they were sinners saved by the Grace of God just like me, God spoke directly to me and to others and we are still alive, the second you ask Christ to forgive your sins and ask Jesus to be the Lord and Master of your life, that He baptizes you with the Holy Spirit, you start a journey of sanctification, a saint is a sinner saved by Grace who beomes a follower of God(Jesus Christ).

[rhapsodist9]

@Serge1965 God bless you in your journey, man. I pray that you recieve the aide of the Spirit that you seek.

'Lord! Pitiful are we, grant us Thy favor; poor, bestow upon us a share from the ocean of Thy wealth; needy, do Thou satisfy us; abased, give us Thy glory. The fowls of the air and the beasts of the field receive their meat each day from Thee and all beings partake of Thy care and loving kindness.'

[Serge1965]

@rhapsodist9 Father in Heaven, i pray in Jesus'Name to thank You that we can come to Jesus as we are with what we have to be saved and that You need not our religiosities but rather that You want each human being to enter a personal relationship with You through Jesus Christ, Lord i pray for the salvation of rhapsodist9 and all his loved ones in the Name of Yeshua Ha Mashiach i pray, Amen

[PeterJDeer]

@Serge1965 - It would seem Moses is a prime example of the Prophet as an intermediary, as He was charged with bringing God's commandments to the people.

[Serge1965]

@PeterJDeer , The followers of Christ are all called to pray for everyone, lost or saved, we are thus doing intercessory prayers but not necessarily intermediary work, the religiosities of man would want us believe that humans are not worthy enough to go straight to God which is heresy, God so loved the world that He gave is Son that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life, i have a Father in Heaven, no need for an obstacle here on earth

[PeterJDeer]

@Serge1965 - You mistake me, I never claimed that Christians must be intermediaries for prayer. Quite the contrary, congregational prayer is abrogated in this dispensation. I state that Christ was and is the means by which we know God, that He is the connection between man and his Creator, the very Manifestation of His Self in our existence.

We believe the Father is come, manifest in the Glory of God, fulfilling the scripture of the past, and striving for the unification of all mankind.

[Serge1965]

@PeterJDeer Oh, sorry Peter, i guess my English must be refined, i thought you meant we needed someone to be between us and God as in the RC church which was was former denomination, i no longer follow religions of man so forgive me for being so on the defense on this, may Jesus bless you and yours

[PeterJDeer]

@Serge1965 - Thank you for the kind words. If you no longer follow the religions of man, then may I humbly suggest perusing the writings of Baha'u'llah and deciding for yourself whether or not they constitute the "religion of men".

[Serge1965]

@PeterJDeer Sorry dear Peter, this religion is very inclusive which pleases the ears of man but with Jesus Christ, it is the other way around, either you follow Him and His Word(Bible), the Living Word, the Verb(Jesus Christ) in very tight relation or the road is broadened and leads to perdition, Jesus was not inclusive, He loves everyone but the road to salvation is narrow and passes through Him alone, by faith in what He's done at the cross.

[PeterJDeer]

@Serge1965 - My faith calls the law of God the Sirat, the bridge that is "narrower than a thread and sharper than a sword".

My faith believes in Jesus, but not just what He said two thousand years ago, but what He said on His return.

My faith says "If ye deny these verses, by what proof have ye believed in God? Produce it, O assemblage of false ones!" If you have a reason why I should believe in the Evangel but not in the writings of Baha'u'llah, I welcome you to produce it.

[Serge1965]

@PeterJDeer But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. (Galatians 1:8) And then it is written: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: (2Timothy 3:16), cont'ed

[PeterJDeer]

@Serge1965 - Yes, PAUL did say that in the first chapter of Galatians. Now, you citing that implies two things; one, that he's not referring to simply a changed version of the same gospel (which, frankly, every non-greek speaking Christian reads) and two, that this Revelation is in conflict with what has been revealed, which I do not believe that it is. The Gospel preached that Jesus would return, and that there were many things He had to say that could not be heard then (John 16:12)

[PeterJDeer]

@Serge1965 - Furthermore, he says "We" and "an angel", but does Paul ever say anything about the Lord Christ? Does he say "Christ be accursed should he say anything new!"? It would be rather preposterous, considering Christ said that He would say something new.

[Serge1965]

@PeterJDeer 2 Timothy 3:16-17 is rather clear that the 66 books of the OT and NT are the inherent and infallable Word of God, God breathed, inspired and thus, the Bible is every Word that proceeds from the mouth of Almighty God through His prophets or Apostles such as Paul who as authors were given inspîration from the Holy Spirit of God so when Paul spoke, it was inspired by the Spirit of Christ so any other nteachings of man outside the Bible must be accursed

[PeterJDeer]

@Serge1965 - I'm sorry, but 66? Christians don't even agree on how many books there are in the Bible, a lot of them are considered non-canonical. What's more, where does Jesus ever say that His apostles are infallible? Judas wasn't, he betrayed Christ. Peter certainly wasn't, for he denied Christ. And even Peter was able to walk on water when the others were not, because his faith was stronger than theirs. The apostles didn't even agree with each other on everything.

[Serge1965]

Peter,The OT always had 39 books and the NT always had 27=66 books inspired by God, what you are refering to are the hidden books used by the RC church known as the Apocrypha which St Jerome himself a catholic declared as interesting reading but not inspired, the apocrypha was added in the 1600's AD IIRC and the disciple were fallable men but as sinners saved by the Grace of God, they were inspired to write what they wrote and by authority of God, it was not a human counsil as you seem to imply

[PeterJDeer]

@Serge1965 - I am not only referring to that, but to the Gnostic gospels and others. It was only at the council of Nicea, done by the catholic church, mind you, that a set of 'canonical' books were even laid out for the new testament. But even in the Catholic church there are ones that are considered canonical that are considered apocryphal by Protestants. For instance, deuterocanonical apocrypha (see the antilegomena) are books that were removed from the OLD testament.

[Serge1965]

@PeterJDeer That is exactly what i denounce since there was no canon or human council since all received texts(Textus Receptus) were discovered by man to be inspired and that, prior to 100 AD and prior to the RC catholic human denomination created in 325 AD under Constantine, do some more digging Peter because what we have in our Bibles is the real deal and the gnostic gospels are not inspired so....false teachers had already enhtered the real church

[PeterJDeer]

@Serge1965 - Textus Receptus? My very cursory digging shows that at past 1500 AD, are you sure you're referring to what you think you're referring to?

And "false teachers had already entered the church" is your perspective on a moot point; the point is not whether you think you're correct, we've already established that, the point is that you simply asserting that does not make it so. I see no evidence to support your claim, how can I reasonably do so without a basis?

[PeterJDeer]

@Serge1965 - I'm sorry, but not only do I not see any evidence for the 'infallible disciples' doctrine in scripture, but what's more even if what you cited were true I don't see it invalidating the words of the Second Coming, much less (God forbid!) constraining Him, something Paul most certainly had no authority to do. And citing 2nd Timothy to me? Another epistle by Paul? It's circular logic, and what's more it doesn't really support your point even if it were a valid argument.

[Serge1965]

@PeterJDeer You are free not to believe in the Authority + Staying Power of the Word of God(The Bible) but all you've got in the Bahai faith are a set of man made rules that can only bring people to drink your kool asid of nice words that can only lead them to perish, Jesus said: broad is the way to perdition and narrow is the road that leads to life and that road is Jesus Christ as the only Way to the Father

[PeterJDeer]

@Serge1965 - You seem to not understand the concept of a "way" as opposed to a destination. Baha'u'llah is the Manifestation of the Father. "No one gets to the father save through Me" hardly justifies stopping and never reaching the destination.

[Serge1965]

@PeterJDeer Jesus said: I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, no man comes to the Father but by me(John 14:1) Broad is the way leading to perdition, narrow is the way leading to life Peter, if youyr Bahai faith is inclusive, is got a serious problem with real Christianity which isn't about following manmade rules but about following Jesus Christ in personal relationship.

[PeterJDeer]

@Serge1965 - You seem to think it's "broad" to see Christ and His return as one and the same. I say it's "broad" to think you can deny one and still claim to believe in the other.

[PeterJDeer]

@Serge1965 - Really, did not the Jews say the same thing about the things said by Jesus? Did they not deny Him for abrogating certain laws of the Pentateuch, and bringing new teachings that were not in the Tanakh, or not fulfilling literally some sign or another (such as ruling with a rod of iron and sitting on the throne of David)?

Baha'u'llah brought His Revelation and asks that it be read and judged fairly; is this such an absurd request? Is this too much for God to ask of His creations?

[Serge1965]

@PeterJDeer It is prophesied that although the Jews rejected Him, they will be saved when He comes back a second time as foretold in Zechariah 12:10:And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. (Written 519 years BC)

[Serge1965]

@PeterJDeer Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. (2Timothy 2:15) and then: For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. (Hebrews 4:12). The Bible is the Word of God, Jesus is God

[Serge1965]

Jesus said that of the day and the hour, only the Father knows so if you thought that i was a doomsday cultist, retract, i will never give you a date such as the imbeciles of the 2012 sect give, sheesh, even the mayans could not even predict their own doomsday but i can tell you this since i study the Scriptures daily, everything you need to know for the end of the age is in the Word of God, we are in the right season so to speak, the rapture of the church is soon to come

[fsmtdaler]

@Serge1965  The rapture has already happened. It is a spiritual rapture. "Flesh shall not inherit the kingdom of God."

"Verily, the Father hath come." "How high the reward of him that hath not deprived himself of so great a bounty, nor failed to recognize the beauty of his Best-Beloved in this, His new attire..."

[Serge1965]

@fsmtdaler , You are in error, the Rapture cannot happen before the Restrainer (Holy Spirit)is taken out of the Way so that the antichrist is revealed(2 Thessalonians 2:7), those who are born of the Spirit and indwelt by Him will have no choice but to follow Him to meet Jesus in the air (1 Corinthians 15:51-52) and 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18), read your Bible with the help of the Holy Spirit of God, it will make more sense to you

[rhapsodist9]

@Serge1965 Agreed, Serge. Christ left so that the Counselor, the Comfortor, the Holy Spirit could return (1 John 16:7) and we know the antichrists were already present during the Christ's revelation (1 John 2:18, 4:2) The requirements are already fulfilled. The Gospels admonish us to *test* the spirits: for the Comfortor will testify that Christ was born of the Spirit. And the fruits of the Holy Spirit are love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance.

[fsmtdaler]

@Serge1965 The rapture has already happened. It is a spiritual rapture.  "Flesh shall not inherit the kingdom of God."

"Verily, the Father hath come." "How high the reward of him that hath not deprived himself of so great a bounty, nor failed to recognize the beauty of his Best-Beloved in this, His new attire..."

[rhapsodist9]

@BuydensSherwin And in what way is Serge wrong? Serge is interpreting his Holy Bible and doing what is necessary to fulfill his spiritual journey. Only, and ONLY if Serge chooses to ask with all his soul if Baha'u'llah is the spiritual return of Christ, and only, ONLY if he chooses to believe that Baha'u'llah IS the embodiment of the Christ Spirit, will he be bound by the abrogation of certain laws as ordained by Baha'u'llah. His decision is absolutely protected both by the Bible and Baha'u'llah

[Serge1965]

@rhapsodist9 And there is only one God and one Name under Heaven by Whom man must go to be saved and it is Jesus Christ who alone saves for He is the Way, the Truth and the Life and no man goes to the Father except through Jesus (John 14:6)

[Serge1965]

All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. (2 Timothy 3:16-17) we do not need anything else than Jesus Christ and the Word of God Almighty.

[Serge1965]

The Book of Genesis teaches us how God started it and the Book of Apocalypse teaches us how God will end it, so you<ve got the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, i don<t know who speaks to you in the spiritual realm but it ain<t my God.

[Serge1965]

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. (Galatians 1:8-9) , the Bible revelation is complete and we need not any new gospels that would lead people on the broad way of destruction, that warning is serious.

[Serge1965]

Totally unbiblical and dangerous sect, Jesus said i am the way, the Truth and the Life, no man comes to the Father except through me(John 14:6) get a Bible, best way to get to Heaven is through Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior in a personal relationship, no where in the Bible it teaches about having to join a religion like this one on here, be careful folks

[Steinninn]

Jesus Christ still is the way and the truth. Just as words of Moses are still the way. A new messanger comes to make everything new, not to make everything old.

[Jman3000]

@Steinninn

Following the ways of Moses/ The Law can not save. It is only by grace through faith in the LORD Jesus Christ.

[MelanthaO]

Baha'u'llah explained that each Manifestation is the Word of God & that we should not be so attached to a particular Manifestation that we won't accept the new One. The Jews were attached to Abraham & Moses. Jesus was distinguishing between Abraham as an individual and the Word of God which was now incarnated in Him. In other words, Abraham was no longer the Word for that Day, His time had passed. The Eternal Word was now among men as Christ, but they refused to accept Him. History repeats...

[NewAgeJess]

The Bahá'u'lláh's writings are beautiful...

[daytripper520]

to answer your question.

The bible as you know is a very old book. the language and metaphorical usage can be very hard to understand. noticeably, some things cannot possibly be so "Literal", but metaphoric. Baha'ullah did proclaimed his cause on top of mount Carmel in Israel......

[daytripper520]

..........He pitched his tent and remained there for a time being as prophecy proclaimed. i pray for you to research more of Baha'ullahs life and arrival, and instead of looking at the literal sense of what the bible says, think deeper as to what you think the bible is trying to tell you.

i pray you you read this message, and i pray you find answers!

[Serge1965]

To understand the Bible, one must read it litterally and when you encounter a metaphore or an allegory, understand that it still conveys a litteral truth, the Bible is still acurate 100% and litterally proven propheticly

[uglygoon30]

I lived it. This is a CULT and a mockery to the Christian faith. It's bent on getting their numbers up (we sign a Baha'i card and are known by a 'number'), Bahaullah's monument is built on the very mountain that armageddon is said to take place. As a Bahai, I could not vote in order to steer the world in a better place - however, should a police state 'arrive', I am to join the military (???). This CULT is the prophesied NWO that will usher in the anti-Christ. BEWARE!

[Serge1965]

Thanks for sharing this, at least, when we follow Christ in personal relationship, no one needs a stinkin' membership card to enter the family of God and to speak directly to the Father in Heaven, one only needs Jesus to forgive their sins and accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and follow Him closely by reading His Word.

[uglygoon30]

@Serge1965 Thanks for your support. I like what you wrote, Serge.

Amen!

[fsmtdaler]

You are an exceedingly childish person to speak in such a manner. You know it yourself. The very name you choose for yourself shows the level of deprivation which you have descended to.

[CandlesOfUnity]

@fsmtdaler Contrary to what you think and to what I know, DivineInterllect choose to mispell his name as a symbol of man's divine nature unfolding in us gradually since an eternal process.

It is a beautiful sign of humility from his part.

[fsmtdaler]

@CandlesOfUnity My reference was to uglygoon, not divineinterllect.

[CandlesOfUnity]

@fsmtdaler Oh, I see. Pardon me.

[hindiogine]

Nope, you can vote as a Baha'i. Actually, you are encouraged to vote according to your conscience.

Mount Carmel is not Har Mageddon. Check on Google Maps!

It is not a cult but an independent religion. It is as much a cult as Islam, Buddhism, Judaism, or Christianity.

You are not known by a number, that is just for recording purposes. No one in 8 years of Baha'i has ever called me a number or by any number, neither in voice or in writing.

[daytripper520]

to people with doubt and anger,

please open your souls. The Bahai faith has only brought peace to this planet, and is working as hard as possible to unite all of mankind. "So powerful is the light of unity that it can illuminate the whole earth" -Baha'u'lla

tonight i pray for the seeking souls of Youtube

[chiflamico]

But Jesus and the New Testament were manipulated by early Catholic Church, so did Bahaullah write about that? Even the Testimonium Flavianum is fake!!!

[fsmtdaler]

Yes, this has been addressed, specifically in Some Answered Questions, a compilation of explanations from Abdul Baha. The corruption of the various of Popes and their wars is referred to and condemned. Baha'is are forbidden to engage in partisan politics, which is divisive by definition. The primary teaching of the Baha'i Faith is that "Nothing short of the unity of the entire human race will suffice to heal the ills which afflict mankind." This is the One Fold and One Shepherd promised...

[jazzistc]

The bible has a lot of Myths.Creation in 6 days,a created couple,one be created by a God that is rebelled against him,one flood and gods sending a person build an ark and if it save and etc are easily found histories but mythologies Persians,mesopotamy and Egyptian.Centuries BC,horus,mitra and tamuz were born of a virgin,they had 12 disciples,were born in 25 of December and resuscitated 3 days later.Because they were god-sun,the sun for in 22 of December and it comes back day 25 of December

[pinabarryscott1]

Richbee How can a creation be a creator? God does not need to be created! He is the Creator! Jesus was a Prophet of GOD! Pease be upon him! Can a painting create the painter?

[Awfulitch]

Richbee2be: Do you believe in talking snakes?

[copacetic5]

As a Christian, I have no "oneness" with liars, false prophets and false teachers.

Why does Baha'i try to formulate another Jesus?

The belief in Baha'u'llah largely reduce to a point of faith—is one willing to accept him as the manifestation of God, in the absence of objective evidence. Of course, Christianity also calls for faith, but the Christian has strong and demonstrable evidence along with that faith.

[copacetic5]

John 7:40 On hearing his words, some of the people said, "Surely this man is THE Prophet."

John 1:45

"We have found the ONE Moses wrote about in the Law...."

Despite all objective evidence, Muslims (and Baha'is) are caught in this contradiction over THE PROPHET!

What did Jesus say about himself?

Read Luke 24:25 - 27

[pinabarryscott1]

GOD NEEDS NOT TO BE CREATED! GOD IS THE CREATOR! GOD HAS NO NEED FOR A MOTHER AND A FATHER! god IS ABOVE THAT! GOD SAYS BE AND IT IS! THAT IS HIS POWER! GOD IS UNKNOWABLE! WE ONLY KNOW GOD THROUGH HIS MANIFESTATIONS! HIS MANIFESTATION ARE LIKE PURE MIRRORS REFLECTING HIS LIGHT! THAT IS HOW BAHA'U'LLAH EXPLAINS IT!

[copacetic5]

In Deuteronomy 18:15-19 , Moses predicted that God would raise up a Jewish Prophet with a special message. Anyone who did not believe this prophet would be judged by God. This passage has been traditionally interpreted as referring to Messiah. Genesis 3:15 is also understood by many to refer to Jesus as the seed of the woman who would crush the head of the serpent.

Moses spoke of only ONE prophet that was to come.

[myp410up]

Performance of any number of miracles do not a Messiah make. When the true Messiah comes, Israel will be restored to the Holy Land, universal peace will reign and all will recognize the One True God. The founder of the Xtian cult fulfilled not one biblical prophecy concerning the Moshiach. The Messiah will be a human being and will die. He will not be an incarnation of God, a thoroughly preposterous proposition and the quintessence of blasphemy. Our God didn't wear diapers!

[hajir9]

fantastic.

Baha'u'llah the Father come down to earth from Heaven.

[copacetic5]

Jesus was sent by the FATHER!

Why are you lying about your false prophet from your allah?

[hedayatullah9]

به نام خدا كه رحمتش بى اندازه است و مهربانى اش هميشگى

و از يهود گروهى هستند كه هنگام [ خواندن ] دست نوشته ها [ ى دروغ و بر بافته هاى خود ] زبان [ و صدايشان ] را چنان پيچ و خم مي دهند تا شما گمان كنيد كه [ آنچه مي خوانند ] از كتاب آسمانى است ، در حالى كه از كتاب [ آسمانى ] نيست ; و [ با بى شرمي ] مي گويند : آنچه مي خوانيم از سوى خداست . در حالى كه از سوى خدا نيست ; و با آنكه مي دانند [ از سوى خدا نيست ] به خدا دروغ مي بندند . « 78»alomaran

[hedayatullah9]

78. There is among them a section who distort the Book with their tongues: (As they read) you would think it is a part of the Book, but it is no part of the Book; and they say, "That is from Allah," but it is not from Allah. It is they who tell a lie against Allah, and (well) they know it! al omran