Does anyone know in which Sermon Pastor Chandler says "by your essence you are worthy of the wrath of God" at? I need to site his sermon and I can't seem to find it 0.o
@TheObservationDeck He's preaching the truth, as far as I've seen it, it's plain good gospel, and you gotta like the way he draws people's attention, that's that haven't experienced much of God yet, and have trouble reading first experience God, and it's a blessing. I thank God for Matt's life. He's got an amazing gift from God.
I see John Piper all up in him, his speech, the way his head moves just everything. He seems heavily influenced by John Piper and i'm heavily influenced by Francis Chan but I don't preach like him but Matt Chandler preaches like John Piper so when John Piper dies he's here but through Matt Chandler LOL IT SEEMS COOL!
God cannot use a man until He wounds him deeply and that is what has resulted with Matt Chandler who can now preach and teach in ways that he never could before. Matt is now a mighty man of God who can be trusted with the glorious gifts of God that he has.
@ProclaimIt Yes. We are so full of arrogance that we are hardly looking for god if we dont feel really miserable. Like in the parable of the lost son, he needed to hit rock bottom to remember his loving father and start his way back home.
"But who is the giver of faith?" - God is definitely the giver of faith. All I'm saying is that He doesn't force it on to you. In other words, all I'm saying is that God is not co-opting, (1 Cor 13:5) He isn't looking to ravish us but to allure us with His kindness (Rom 2:4) The simple difference between myself and others who have refused God's kindness is just that.. I chose to stop refusing His kindness, yet I would never insist that I should get credit/ glory for it
@MrD2dude I wont continue to argue and let us just accept that we both been redeemed by the living God and celebrate that instead of me tryna enforce an argument which will only cause a division.
You wrote: "Why is it that he doesnt do what he did with u with everyone?" ... HE IS. (John 1:5, John 1:9, John 1:11-12, Rom. 1:20, Ps. 19:1-6, Jer. 5:21, Rom. 10:20.)
God undoubtedly manifests Himself to all peoples, some just will not receive HIS kindness. Just because I have volitionally received His kindness does not mean I'm insisting that I should get credit for being good at receiving a gift... that doesn't make any sense.
Because Paul had demonstrated God's willingness to accept the gentiles so much previously in the book of Romans (which is exactly what the Romans needed to hear,) he then wrote chapter 9 to also demonstrate what God had done for Jews (UNDER THE OLD COVENANT) to ensure their acceptance also.
"Jesus died for those who come to Him" <--- this is dead wrong. 1 John 2:2 says that He died for the cosmos... meaning universe. Jn. 3:16 says that He so loved the COSMOS.
@MrD2dude For God so loved the world that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. But who is the giver of faith? Isnt it God the Father? Or is it left only up to our hearts? The reason I say this is cuz u made the claim that God is a man centered God. When God himself prophesying our redemption says he will redeem us for his name's sake. Now no man can come to God on his own will. Why? Because his will is in bondage to sin. You agree that most of the world is
@KelloggzProductions going to Hell right? Narrow is way to life and few will find it. Can I ask a question? What about you makes u so different from the majority of the world that made u choose the grace of Christ rather than sin? "We are not the point". Yes God does love us. But above this love is his glory. God has created all things for the purpose of his glory, not our own.
This conversation was never supposed to be about all of this hyper-calvinism/ predestination garbage. Because you shifted the context of Is.55 I simply stated what the actually context is really about, then you chose to unfold your opinions on calvinism and predestination. But... God's rejecting Esau and accepting Jacob has nothing to do with His "purposes of election." Once again you are shifting the context of Romans altogether.
@Kellogzproductions Since you're so old covenant why don't you explain Ps. 103 to me huh? v.3 Bless the LORD, O my soul, And FORGET NONE OF HIS BENEFITS; 3 Who pardons ALL your iniquities, Who heals ALL your diseases; 4 Who redeems your life from the pit, Who crowns you with lovingkindness and compassion; 5 Who satisfies your [a]years with GOOD things, So that your youth is renewed like the eagle. 6 The LORD performs [b]righteous deeds And judgments for ALL who are oppressed.
You keep asking me if I've read all of these old covenant passages that you're mentioning have you ever read Hebrews 1:1-2 which says that God is now speaking to us through Jesus and not through the prophets... wow. I have no idea what you're saying in your last post... I never said that I came to Jesus by my own power, and I never will. It's pretty tough to believe that you have yet to deal with the original verses I posted and have only ranted primarily about Old Testament prophecies...
I've read Romans 9 plenty of times... you apparently haven't read the Luke 14:26 which says "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple." Since you seem to believe that Paul was trying to say that God literally hated Esau in Rom 9 then I guess you ought to literally hate your own family eh? God did not hate Esau, He doesn't hate anyone... (John 3:16)
@MrD2dude The term hate when used by God is more like rejected. WHich is my point. God rejected Esau and loved Jacob. WHy? To demonstrate his purpose of ELECTION. U realize u just proved my oint when u admitted u didnt come to Christ with ur own power. Paul was on his way to kill Christians and God blinded him with his glory and basically revealed himself to Paul. Why doesnt he do that with everyone? Jesus died for those who come to him which is predestined by him. WIth ur admission of sayin u
@KelloggzProductions didnt come to God with your own power. And that God brought u to him. Why is it that he doesnt do what he did with u with everyone? If God came down and revealed himself i everyone's dreams and changed their hearts they would all be saved. But the reality is, is that most people will go to Hell. And God has reconciled unto himself a people spotless and blameless. U see with ur admission u can see that God decides who is saved and who isnt. Not the heart wich is dead in sin
4. God DID NOT hate Esau... He "hated" Esau in a representative capacity. Do you hate your family (Lk 14:25-35)? According to yourself, you ought to.
5. God only hardens people's hearts after they have perpetually refused His kindness, read Romans 1. Romans 9 and 11 are supposed to be evaluated in light of Romans 1. Keep it in context.
My papa wants us to be free, otherwise He has nothing to reward us for.
@MrD2dude Seriously all you have done is make assumptions on verses based on your own understanding. Did you even read Romans 9. He says plain and simple that he loved jacob and hated esau before they were born and did anything good or bad in order that God's purpose in election might stand. Have you not read Ezekiel 36 in where God delivers the prophecy of our redemption and says that its not for our sake he will do it but for his name's sake? Did you not even consider what I said about the
@KelloggzProductions of Job? Or have you not read that we are all dead in our sins and trespasses? That we are born in sin and darkness. And as the Lord says in John 3:20 EVERYONE who does evil which is man hates the light. And will not come to the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. So how are you goin to say that by your own power you came to the greatest source of light which is Jesus Christ? We were all born SLAVES to sin. BONDAGE to sin. You're sayin that u
@KelloggzProductions u, even with all that are able to choose Christ on your own? while the majority of the world wont? You my friend have a large sense of pride and u rlly need to pray with humility for the Lord to reveal to you the gospel in greater depths.
1. Because of the cross, many of His thoughts are my thoughts (1 Cor 2:16) and His ways are my ways (Mk 16:17-18)
2. Is. 55 was written to contrast how man deals with iniquity to how God deals with iniquity, it has nothing to do with God not telling you His secrets, which He does (Jn 15:14-15)
3. God is definitely a man centered God (Phil 2:3-12, 1 Cor 13, John 3:16-17) He is ALL about you, and He even considers you His favorite.
Also... the old covenant passages you are using don't make sense to me, still. Furthermore, God IS NOT speaking to us by way of the prophets but He is now speaking to us through His son (Heb 1:1-2) and His SON said this: "The wind bloes wherever IT wishes, and you know not where it comes from or where it is going, so it is with EVERYONE who is born of the Spirit."
Was it not the heart of Mary, Jesus's mother that prompted Him to do his first miracle BEFORE His time?
@MrD2dude See you keep coming back to the whole "I wouldnt do this to my children" argument. Ur thoughts are not his thoughts. You are making him out to be a man centered God when in fact he is a God centered God. Are you disagreeing with the verse I gave you? He's basically saying to you straight up that he is in control of all things. Are you forgetting that God gave the Devil permission to take away all of Job's possesions? Do you recall God loving Jacob and hating Esau before they were
@KelloggzProductions even born to show it is not of him who wills or him who runs but of God that shows mercy. Read Romans 9:11 onward. To demonstrate his great power God hardened the pharaoh's heart and redeemed Israel. Over and over we see God is foredaining everything. It is not of our wills. Or remember when Job spoke against God and argued that why God was tormenting him when Job was being righteous? And God replied you are but clay and he's the potter and he was the one who made him
@KelloggzProductions righteous....." Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make another vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much patience the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction, And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory" Romans 9:21-23
God can have all control IF He wanted it.. but He clearly does not. If God was in total control than EVERYONE would be saved because He desires that EVERYONE should be saved (2 Pet 3:9, 2 Tim. 2:4) Period. God has all authority to take up as much control as He wants, but He definitely does not care to control everything... He's not a jackass... (1 Cor. 13:5)
How could God the Father ordain sickness (which He doesn't) while Jesus did everything to stop it? Bad theology
I'm sorry but what you're saying is COMPLETELY wrong, and what you are saying makes God out to be a liar (1 Cor. 13:5). Sure God is "sovereign." That doesn't make Him a control freak. If I ever told my children exactly what they must desire, eat, drink, enjoy, not enjoy, or do for a career for their lives I would demand that I be thrown in jail. God DOESN'T allow sickness (Acts 10:38, Ps 103:3) we do (Mk 16:17-18)
I can't make sense of what you're doing with that verse in Hosea at all...
Sure God uses our afflictions (Rom 8:28) that definitely doesn't mean that it is His will that we have them... that's wild. I would never want my children to be oppressed by the devil, or for them to have cancer. Paul was put through hell by the people of this world not God (Mt. 10:28)... God restored him time after time (Acts 14:19-20).
@MrD2dude So in your head you're creating a God who in fact is not sovereign. God is in control of everything. Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things"
God is in control of every single thing. And to say otherwise is to blaspheme and call him a liar. God is in control of every single thing. I mean cmon, the Devil can't even do anything without the Lord's "okay". Which we see in the Book of Job. God uses all these things
@KelloggzProductions for the good of his glory. All of our evil and our pain and our joys etc. Everything created is for the glory of God which is the ultimate good.
@KelloggzProductions for the good of his glory. All of our evil and our pain and our joys etc. Everything created is for the glory of God which is the ultimate good.
One last thing I have to say... God DOES NOT test people by giving them trials or tribulations (James 1:13, Prov 10:22, John 10:10) He tests people by BLESSING them so that they can rise to a new level of stewardship. Proverbs 27:21
We are not better, or more amicable fathers than is Christ... stop believing as such. You wouldn't teach your son patience by breaking his leg, neither would Jesus. Besides, He's already made us patient (Col 2:10, Eph 1:3, 1 Cor 1:7, Gal 2:20)
@MrD2dude Hosea 6:15 And I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face:in their affliction they will seek me early. U have to ask yourself what is the purpose of man? To know God, worship and explore his depths of glory. God uses our afflictions to make us see greater realities of God. Paul was put in prison beaten etc. But his afflictions brought him closer to God. God is the ultimate joy and peace. He loves us and knows that whats best for us based on
@KelloggzProductions an eternal standpoint is God. WHether it be God destroying our many idols, or bringing us to our lowest points. Its for us to see a greater need and desperation for him and in that we get the joy we truly need and want.
Wow... the more I think about that, the more I can't stand it. How could he say that about my papa? If I ever allowed one of my children to be bludgeoned, crippled, or infected when it was in my power to stop it, I'd hope to God that I was thrown in prison. Can you imagine Jesus walking up to someone with leprosy, cancer, and broken bones and asking them if THEY wanted to be healed of something?
Beloved, as Christ has been sent, so have we. Is 53:5 <---
God definitely does not allow sickness or disease... read the gospels, along with Acts 10:38. He didn't allow a single illness or death during His ministry. He put us in charge and told us to heal the sick, raise the dead, and cleanse lepers and we just aren't doing it because we "have a form of Godliness, but deny the power thereof."
1 John 3:8 tells us that God showed up to destroy the work of the devil... then He sent us in the same regard (Jn 20:21, Jn 17:22, 1 Jn 4:17, John 14:12)
who made the doctors and nurses? who gave cognitive faculties to them? reason? who placed them into environments or circumstances that let them learn? who gave the pioneering scientists alone the ingenuity and unique circumstances to advance technologically to where we are today? who designed the intricacies of the human body that we might see them as an image of their creator?
@dxhaloxc "who made the doctors and nurses? who gave cognitive faculties to them..." etc
The answer is no one. We, human primates, evolved those traits. Then as highly sentient beings we organised socially to specialise and hence maximise efficiency and so reward.
When you say it was god. It is just as though you watched your parents put your christmas presents out then claim that Santa did it.
The key to understanding my (and many people's) view is that I don't believe something unless there is sufficient evidence to warrant it.
Evolution by Natural Selection is sufficiently well-proven for me to accept it as my "working model" for reality (until there is stronger evidence to refute it).
This leaves the question of how did life begin without a god to create it? Evidence for abiogenesis is good, but not as good an E by NS.
@bravessince1990 There a number of good articles that postulate how abiogenisis may have occured. This is a really good YouTube video (watch?v=U6QYDdgP9eg&feature=feedrec_grec_index).
The point is, people are working slowly to build up evidence for first-creation without a god. This does not mean that just because it is not proved beyond reasobale doubt, we should leap to the conclusion that a god caused it.
@xbornxagianx Awesome! I don't know where I would be without his teaching. God is using him to touch so many lives; especially those like me who fall into the 18-35 year old group.
Does anyone know in which Sermon Pastor Chandler says "by your essence you are worthy of the wrath of God" at? I need to site his sermon and I can't seem to find it 0.o
letsdanceinthecab 1 week ago
I cannot wait to be in heaven. I know Matt will be there one day.
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Luke 19:26-27 Praise Jesus
JACKSCHEESYSMILE 2 weeks ago
Judging by many of these comments it is abundantly obvious that many people take too much of a liking for celebrity preachers over the word of God.
TheObservationDeck 1 month ago
@TheObservationDeck He's preaching the truth, as far as I've seen it, it's plain good gospel, and you gotta like the way he draws people's attention, that's that haven't experienced much of God yet, and have trouble reading first experience God, and it's a blessing. I thank God for Matt's life. He's got an amazing gift from God.
Zuriox 3 weeks ago
come to our church..First Assembly Of God Marble Falls TX
Sh804102 1 month ago
I see John Piper all up in him, his speech, the way his head moves just everything. He seems heavily influenced by John Piper and i'm heavily influenced by Francis Chan but I don't preach like him but Matt Chandler preaches like John Piper so when John Piper dies he's here but through Matt Chandler LOL IT SEEMS COOL!
ThatAmazingCoversGuy 3 months ago
God cannot use a man until He wounds him deeply and that is what has resulted with Matt Chandler who can now preach and teach in ways that he never could before. Matt is now a mighty man of God who can be trusted with the glorious gifts of God that he has.
ProclaimIt 4 months ago
@ProclaimIt Yes. We are so full of arrogance that we are hardly looking for god if we dont feel really miserable. Like in the parable of the lost son, he needed to hit rock bottom to remember his loving father and start his way back home.
aseekercalledraphael 1 week ago
@Kellogz productions
"But who is the giver of faith?" - God is definitely the giver of faith. All I'm saying is that He doesn't force it on to you. In other words, all I'm saying is that God is not co-opting, (1 Cor 13:5) He isn't looking to ravish us but to allure us with His kindness (Rom 2:4) The simple difference between myself and others who have refused God's kindness is just that.. I chose to stop refusing His kindness, yet I would never insist that I should get credit/ glory for it
MrD2dude 5 months ago
@MrD2dude I wont continue to argue and let us just accept that we both been redeemed by the living God and celebrate that instead of me tryna enforce an argument which will only cause a division.
KelloggzProductions 5 months ago
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You wrote: "Why is it that he doesnt do what he did with u with everyone?" ... HE IS. (John 1:5, John 1:9, John 1:11-12, Rom. 1:20, Ps. 19:1-6, Jer. 5:21, Rom. 10:20.)
God undoubtedly manifests Himself to all peoples, some just will not receive HIS kindness. Just because I have volitionally received His kindness does not mean I'm insisting that I should get credit for being good at receiving a gift... that doesn't make any sense.
MrD2dude 5 months ago
@Kellogzproductions
Because Paul had demonstrated God's willingness to accept the gentiles so much previously in the book of Romans (which is exactly what the Romans needed to hear,) he then wrote chapter 9 to also demonstrate what God had done for Jews (UNDER THE OLD COVENANT) to ensure their acceptance also.
"Jesus died for those who come to Him" <--- this is dead wrong. 1 John 2:2 says that He died for the cosmos... meaning universe. Jn. 3:16 says that He so loved the COSMOS.
MrD2dude 5 months ago
@MrD2dude For God so loved the world that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. But who is the giver of faith? Isnt it God the Father? Or is it left only up to our hearts? The reason I say this is cuz u made the claim that God is a man centered God. When God himself prophesying our redemption says he will redeem us for his name's sake. Now no man can come to God on his own will. Why? Because his will is in bondage to sin. You agree that most of the world is
KelloggzProductions 5 months ago
@KelloggzProductions going to Hell right? Narrow is way to life and few will find it. Can I ask a question? What about you makes u so different from the majority of the world that made u choose the grace of Christ rather than sin? "We are not the point". Yes God does love us. But above this love is his glory. God has created all things for the purpose of his glory, not our own.
KelloggzProductions 5 months ago
@Kellogzproductions
This conversation was never supposed to be about all of this hyper-calvinism/ predestination garbage. Because you shifted the context of Is.55 I simply stated what the actually context is really about, then you chose to unfold your opinions on calvinism and predestination. But... God's rejecting Esau and accepting Jacob has nothing to do with His "purposes of election." Once again you are shifting the context of Romans altogether.
MrD2dude 5 months ago
MrD2dude 5 months ago
You keep asking me if I've read all of these old covenant passages that you're mentioning have you ever read Hebrews 1:1-2 which says that God is now speaking to us through Jesus and not through the prophets... wow. I have no idea what you're saying in your last post... I never said that I came to Jesus by my own power, and I never will. It's pretty tough to believe that you have yet to deal with the original verses I posted and have only ranted primarily about Old Testament prophecies...
MrD2dude 5 months ago
I've read Romans 9 plenty of times... you apparently haven't read the Luke 14:26 which says "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple." Since you seem to believe that Paul was trying to say that God literally hated Esau in Rom 9 then I guess you ought to literally hate your own family eh? God did not hate Esau, He doesn't hate anyone... (John 3:16)
MrD2dude 5 months ago
@MrD2dude The term hate when used by God is more like rejected. WHich is my point. God rejected Esau and loved Jacob. WHy? To demonstrate his purpose of ELECTION. U realize u just proved my oint when u admitted u didnt come to Christ with ur own power. Paul was on his way to kill Christians and God blinded him with his glory and basically revealed himself to Paul. Why doesnt he do that with everyone? Jesus died for those who come to him which is predestined by him. WIth ur admission of sayin u
KelloggzProductions 5 months ago
@KelloggzProductions didnt come to God with your own power. And that God brought u to him. Why is it that he doesnt do what he did with u with everyone? If God came down and revealed himself i everyone's dreams and changed their hearts they would all be saved. But the reality is, is that most people will go to Hell. And God has reconciled unto himself a people spotless and blameless. U see with ur admission u can see that God decides who is saved and who isnt. Not the heart wich is dead in sin
KelloggzProductions 5 months ago
@KellogzProductions
4. God DID NOT hate Esau... He "hated" Esau in a representative capacity. Do you hate your family (Lk 14:25-35)? According to yourself, you ought to.
5. God only hardens people's hearts after they have perpetually refused His kindness, read Romans 1. Romans 9 and 11 are supposed to be evaluated in light of Romans 1. Keep it in context.
My papa wants us to be free, otherwise He has nothing to reward us for.
MrD2dude 5 months ago
@MrD2dude Seriously all you have done is make assumptions on verses based on your own understanding. Did you even read Romans 9. He says plain and simple that he loved jacob and hated esau before they were born and did anything good or bad in order that God's purpose in election might stand. Have you not read Ezekiel 36 in where God delivers the prophecy of our redemption and says that its not for our sake he will do it but for his name's sake? Did you not even consider what I said about the
KelloggzProductions 5 months ago
@KelloggzProductions of Job? Or have you not read that we are all dead in our sins and trespasses? That we are born in sin and darkness. And as the Lord says in John 3:20 EVERYONE who does evil which is man hates the light. And will not come to the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. So how are you goin to say that by your own power you came to the greatest source of light which is Jesus Christ? We were all born SLAVES to sin. BONDAGE to sin. You're sayin that u
KelloggzProductions 5 months ago
@KelloggzProductions u, even with all that are able to choose Christ on your own? while the majority of the world wont? You my friend have a large sense of pride and u rlly need to pray with humility for the Lord to reveal to you the gospel in greater depths.
KelloggzProductions 5 months ago
@KellogzProductions
1. Because of the cross, many of His thoughts are my thoughts (1 Cor 2:16) and His ways are my ways (Mk 16:17-18)
2. Is. 55 was written to contrast how man deals with iniquity to how God deals with iniquity, it has nothing to do with God not telling you His secrets, which He does (Jn 15:14-15)
3. God is definitely a man centered God (Phil 2:3-12, 1 Cor 13, John 3:16-17) He is ALL about you, and He even considers you His favorite.
MrD2dude 5 months ago
@KellogzProductions
Also... the old covenant passages you are using don't make sense to me, still. Furthermore, God IS NOT speaking to us by way of the prophets but He is now speaking to us through His son (Heb 1:1-2) and His SON said this: "The wind bloes wherever IT wishes, and you know not where it comes from or where it is going, so it is with EVERYONE who is born of the Spirit."
Was it not the heart of Mary, Jesus's mother that prompted Him to do his first miracle BEFORE His time?
MrD2dude 5 months ago
@MrD2dude See you keep coming back to the whole "I wouldnt do this to my children" argument. Ur thoughts are not his thoughts. You are making him out to be a man centered God when in fact he is a God centered God. Are you disagreeing with the verse I gave you? He's basically saying to you straight up that he is in control of all things. Are you forgetting that God gave the Devil permission to take away all of Job's possesions? Do you recall God loving Jacob and hating Esau before they were
KelloggzProductions 5 months ago
@KelloggzProductions even born to show it is not of him who wills or him who runs but of God that shows mercy. Read Romans 9:11 onward. To demonstrate his great power God hardened the pharaoh's heart and redeemed Israel. Over and over we see God is foredaining everything. It is not of our wills. Or remember when Job spoke against God and argued that why God was tormenting him when Job was being righteous? And God replied you are but clay and he's the potter and he was the one who made him
KelloggzProductions 5 months ago
@KelloggzProductions righteous....." Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make another vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much patience the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction, And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory" Romans 9:21-23
KelloggzProductions 5 months ago
@KellogzProductions
God can have all control IF He wanted it.. but He clearly does not. If God was in total control than EVERYONE would be saved because He desires that EVERYONE should be saved (2 Pet 3:9, 2 Tim. 2:4) Period. God has all authority to take up as much control as He wants, but He definitely does not care to control everything... He's not a jackass... (1 Cor. 13:5)
How could God the Father ordain sickness (which He doesn't) while Jesus did everything to stop it? Bad theology
MrD2dude 5 months ago
@KellogzProductions
I'm sorry but what you're saying is COMPLETELY wrong, and what you are saying makes God out to be a liar (1 Cor. 13:5). Sure God is "sovereign." That doesn't make Him a control freak. If I ever told my children exactly what they must desire, eat, drink, enjoy, not enjoy, or do for a career for their lives I would demand that I be thrown in jail. God DOESN'T allow sickness (Acts 10:38, Ps 103:3) we do (Mk 16:17-18)
MrD2dude 5 months ago
@KelloggzProductions
I can't make sense of what you're doing with that verse in Hosea at all...
Sure God uses our afflictions (Rom 8:28) that definitely doesn't mean that it is His will that we have them... that's wild. I would never want my children to be oppressed by the devil, or for them to have cancer. Paul was put through hell by the people of this world not God (Mt. 10:28)... God restored him time after time (Acts 14:19-20).
MrD2dude 5 months ago
@MrD2dude So in your head you're creating a God who in fact is not sovereign. God is in control of everything. Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things"
God is in control of every single thing. And to say otherwise is to blaspheme and call him a liar. God is in control of every single thing. I mean cmon, the Devil can't even do anything without the Lord's "okay". Which we see in the Book of Job. God uses all these things
KelloggzProductions 5 months ago
@KelloggzProductions for the good of his glory. All of our evil and our pain and our joys etc. Everything created is for the glory of God which is the ultimate good.
KelloggzProductions 5 months ago
@KelloggzProductions for the good of his glory. All of our evil and our pain and our joys etc. Everything created is for the glory of God which is the ultimate good.
KelloggzProductions 5 months ago
One last thing I have to say... God DOES NOT test people by giving them trials or tribulations (James 1:13, Prov 10:22, John 10:10) He tests people by BLESSING them so that they can rise to a new level of stewardship. Proverbs 27:21
We are not better, or more amicable fathers than is Christ... stop believing as such. You wouldn't teach your son patience by breaking his leg, neither would Jesus. Besides, He's already made us patient (Col 2:10, Eph 1:3, 1 Cor 1:7, Gal 2:20)
MrD2dude 5 months ago
@MrD2dude Hosea 6:15 And I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face:in their affliction they will seek me early. U have to ask yourself what is the purpose of man? To know God, worship and explore his depths of glory. God uses our afflictions to make us see greater realities of God. Paul was put in prison beaten etc. But his afflictions brought him closer to God. God is the ultimate joy and peace. He loves us and knows that whats best for us based on
KelloggzProductions 5 months ago
@KelloggzProductions an eternal standpoint is God. WHether it be God destroying our many idols, or bringing us to our lowest points. Its for us to see a greater need and desperation for him and in that we get the joy we truly need and want.
KelloggzProductions 5 months ago
Wow... the more I think about that, the more I can't stand it. How could he say that about my papa? If I ever allowed one of my children to be bludgeoned, crippled, or infected when it was in my power to stop it, I'd hope to God that I was thrown in prison. Can you imagine Jesus walking up to someone with leprosy, cancer, and broken bones and asking them if THEY wanted to be healed of something?
Beloved, as Christ has been sent, so have we. Is 53:5 <---
MrD2dude 5 months ago
God definitely does not allow sickness or disease... read the gospels, along with Acts 10:38. He didn't allow a single illness or death during His ministry. He put us in charge and told us to heal the sick, raise the dead, and cleanse lepers and we just aren't doing it because we "have a form of Godliness, but deny the power thereof."
1 John 3:8 tells us that God showed up to destroy the work of the devil... then He sent us in the same regard (Jn 20:21, Jn 17:22, 1 Jn 4:17, John 14:12)
MrD2dude 5 months ago
For goodness sake! Doctors and nurses using science save his life...and he thanks an imaginary god.
UrukEngineer 5 months ago
@UrukEngineer
who made the doctors and nurses? who gave cognitive faculties to them? reason? who placed them into environments or circumstances that let them learn? who gave the pioneering scientists alone the ingenuity and unique circumstances to advance technologically to where we are today? who designed the intricacies of the human body that we might see them as an image of their creator?
dxhaloxc 5 months ago
@dxhaloxc "who made the doctors and nurses? who gave cognitive faculties to them..." etc
The answer is no one. We, human primates, evolved those traits. Then as highly sentient beings we organised socially to specialise and hence maximise efficiency and so reward.
When you say it was god. It is just as though you watched your parents put your christmas presents out then claim that Santa did it.
I don't understand how you can be so naive.
UrukEngineer 5 months ago
@UrukEngineer I'm not trying to argue, but what are your views on creation? I mean how do you think the first living being was placed on Earth?
bravessince1990 5 months ago
@bravessince1990 Fair question.
The key to understanding my (and many people's) view is that I don't believe something unless there is sufficient evidence to warrant it.
Evolution by Natural Selection is sufficiently well-proven for me to accept it as my "working model" for reality (until there is stronger evidence to refute it).
This leaves the question of how did life begin without a god to create it? Evidence for abiogenesis is good, but not as good an E by NS.
UrukEngineer 5 months ago
@bravessince1990 There a number of good articles that postulate how abiogenisis may have occured. This is a really good YouTube video (watch?v=U6QYDdgP9eg&feature=feedrec_grec_index).
The point is, people are working slowly to build up evidence for first-creation without a god. This does not mean that just because it is not proved beyond reasobale doubt, we should leap to the conclusion that a god caused it.
Peace
UrukEngineer 5 months ago
So amazing i was there!!
xbornxagianx 6 months ago
@xbornxagianx Awesome! I don't know where I would be without his teaching. God is using him to touch so many lives; especially those like me who fall into the 18-35 year old group.
becktim79 6 months ago