she had money to get silicone boobs , but the baby was just a fetus , so she just
chose to cut it up in pieces
keep your child , Mother - it is your child - do not listen to the irressponsible sperm donor - ,.... Mother - you know what the right thing is - deliver that beautifull baby
love the baby , it will help you one day , screw stupid sperm donors
Over 1 MILLION unborn babies are sent to the cities' dumps each and every year here in the United States of America. They are buried among all of the everyday trash that we Americans also cast away. They have no gravemarker or headstone. They don't even have a name. They are there with the humiliating knowledge that their own Mother hired someone to torture them to death and throw them to where they are now:
Over 1 MILLION unborn babies are sent to the cities' dumps each and every year here in the United States of America. They are buried among all of the everyday trash that we Americans also cast away. They have no gravemarker or headstone. They don't even have a name. They are there with the humiliating knowledge that their own Mother hired someone to torture them to death and throw them to where they are now:
This is not a perfect world. I feel it should be a medical reason or mental health issue. Like if there is a case of inbreeding, serious drugs, and rape; a woman should have the option. It is such a sensitive subject, everyone believes they are right. Maybe every American should have the option to be fixed at 18 and older! Would this lesson the abortion problem?
Eh I say if one of them doesnt want the baby then dont have it cuz its kinda fucked up to bring a child into the world whose father or mother doesnt want it and treats it like crap i speak from expirence my mother didnt want me (she was forced to have me) and she nvr said she loved me she was a drug addict nd let men abuse nd rape me for her drugs i would have rather she had an abortion to be perfectly honest i didnt ask to be born but i did beg to die
I think the final decision should be with the mother, but I think the father should have the right to "force" a few counseling sessions, if he wants to keep the child, before the mother is allowed to take an abortion. This is so that the father can have hes case on keeping the child presented by professionals that might give a 3rd part insight. Because sometimes theres allot of conflict between the mother and father and such a right might remove missus of the abortion choice the mother has.
to me the abortion debate is all about the woman, and doesn't at all take into consideration the lives of the child or the father... if a woman decides to abort the mann gets no say in that decision, even if he wants to keep his child... if the woman keeps the child, the father is then forced to either raise it or pay child support for 18yrs... what ever the woman decides, she's making a life changing choice for at least 2 other ppl, and to me that's just wrong
good question... if the father wants to raise his child he should have a say in the abortion... pregnancy has it's lousy parts, but is 9months really a fair trade for a human life?
I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but until the day comes that a man can do for his children what a woman can do for hers (incubate, birth, feed from breasts) her investment shall always be larger and therefore the choice should mostly reflect her will and intentions.
!) Woman wins. Even if the father wants the baby, he is not the one that has to go through the morning sickness, the aches and pains, the labour etc.
2) Woman wins. BUT this one is tricky. I think that AS YOU STATED IT, if the father has expressed they want nothing to do with the child, they should have the legal right to get an "abortion" of their own and lose all rights and responsiblity toward that child.
3) Yes, Women should have the right without a signiture
Pro Choice people need to understand that the arguement on abortion is not a religious arguement but a political argument, where as Pro Life people need to realize that not all abortions are for the wrong reason(s).
If abortion was to become illegal, people will say a woman's right has been taken away. But if a woman aborts her baby, than it's right has been taken away. Either way someone or something's right has been taken away.
@mjt19741 Both Pro Life and Pro Choice sides need to compromise to end the arguement.
Neither side will agree on all things. But we can atleast agree on some things and that way both sides can have a better understanding on the subject.
@mjt19741 can't believe i overlooked this very intellectual thesis: prolifers say that the mother to be and the baby are 'equal" and have the same rights but this is not even possible. there can be no equality here; legal or illegal, one will have their "rights" recognized over the other. there is no other way things can be "equal" in this situation.
@mjt19741 its obviously the truth. i as a woman is worth way more then a fetus or embryo. that is why when my life is endanger because of a problem pregnancy, unless i say otherwise, the pregnancy will either be prematurely ended or the fetus/embryo aborted....so I can live. and this is the way it is supposed to be. unfortunately some places are governed by the insane such as the roman catholic rule in el salvador and the philiphines.
@dragonpat666 10% of all abortions world wide are from life threatening situations. If the pregnant mother has a life threatening situation and has no choice but to abort, then yes terminate the pregnancy and reproduce at a later date if the mother feels up to it. There is nothing wrong with terminating the pregnancy if the mother has a life threating situation.
@dragonpat666 You also have to understand that because something is legal, does not necessarly mean it's the right thing to do. Abortion is one of those
@mjt19741 right and wrong is arbitrary and depends on the perception of every single individual. you will know if you were wrong when you get punished though...then again you might get punished while being right? lol. concering abortion, it is right to allow a woman to make that decision because it will basically affect only her: and right is not always fair. neither is life..or death.
spamshoulders is spamming forums with her usual string of meaningless citations...i think she's trying to legitimize her position but it tends to make her look foolish.
@backaround Chicago Tribune,Courier-News,CapeCodToday,New York Times,Chicago Sun-Times,Rockford Register-Star,Hinds County Circuit Court Cause No. 35,058,Cook County Death Certificate #614138,Chicago Today, Washington Tribune,Washington Sun Times,Planned Parenthood,NARAL, National Coalition of Abortion Providers,National Abortion Federation,Alan Guttmacher WHO IS RELIABLE SOURCE?
If your 'choice' is abortion, you have decided to pay a Dr. who has taken the 'Hippocratic Oath' (do no harm) to enter your womb unto your baby that has a heartbeat and brain waves, use surgical instruments to dismember and KILL your child and then throw him/her into a trash can. Do the right thing and choose LIFE!!!
@mjt19741 says PLanned aParenthood = slaughter house
~~~~~~~~~~~~ hahahah, thats funny, being as PP did 134,000 abortions in 2009.....! Who is doing the other 866,000?? YOu better learn who is doing all the abortions ( EVERY small town doc) before jumping on PP, the WORLDS LARGEST & MOST RESPECTED REPRODUCTIVE ORG IN THE WORLD.. See how stupid I made you look? Learn BEFORE opening your mouth.
@Sueezee1 Oh c'mon. Do you think that Planned Parenthood is the only place that does abortions? What about naral? Or better yet, what about the abortion clinics. In my arear, PP is not allowed to even perform abortions, but they do abortion referrals. Which means the clinics. C'mon Suezee, do you really think you are that smart?
sueezee said: PP did 134,000 abortions in 2009.....! Who is doing the other 866,000?? mjtdumbass responded: do you think PP is the only place that does abortion hahahahahahaha.LOLOLOLOL...OMG....LMFAO.... mjt you are the most stupid prolife I have ever seen and you poor dumbass dosent even know it..hahahahah
It is always the mothers choice, I understand that the father has taking part in making the feotus, It is the woman who will have to carry it and give birth to it.
The father should have no say in the ultimate decision.
@crashkadara Why is it you never talk about the mother's who die at the hands of abortionists?Never talk about what type of a person it is that can do this to another living human being?You don't tell us about the charges of sexual assault,aggravated assault,child pornography,murder of associates,negligence,larceny,insurance fraud,murder,against these killers,etc?Get the whole story out there!!
Oh and giving me this bullshit 'all abortionists are rapists' isn't going to work, I know for a fact this shit happens in a very (very) small minority of cases.
Bring me some facts and figures, Bring me case studies, Talk like a reasonable adult and maybe then we can have a discussion.
ABORTIONISTS GONE BAD:Lawson Akpulonu,Bench warrant for rape;Kim Beauchamp,Revoked for violating probation;Nicholas Braemer,License revoked for negligence against women;Mahlon Cannon,License revoked for death of female patients;Mohamed Dia,License revoked for negligence against women;Suresh Gandotra,Bench warrant for arrest in death of woman;Gordon Goei,License revoked for violating probation;MORE??
@angelshoulders Why is it that you like to hear about abortion death so much? Do you think those women deserve to die? Do you think that people only die from accidents during abortion, and that heart surgery, kidney/liver transplants, plastic surgery, and even the setting of broken bones completely w/o any form of damage or even death?
Why don't you talk about catholic priests who molest little boys, or the fact that hitler's mother wanted to have an abortion? Have you seen my video yet? =)
@ryddelwearsahat You know I dislike abortion deaths,that is why we must stop abortions from killing these women! I want to see your source&stats on more women dying during childbirth,that is simply NOT TRUE! I have given you the numbers,which you chose to ignore. I care very deeply for the women, I care for the abortionists who have ruined so many lives,this is why I speak up!
I would like to see YOUR sources & stats on #'s of women dying from heart surgery,kidney/liver transplants,plastic surgery& setting broken bones. Burden of proof is on you now!! I have given my sources,stats,etc. for abortions. If one,just one woman dies from this totally unnecessary procedure,it is too many.These are your prochoice sisters,your abortionists.WHY DON'T YOU CARE?
You know I dislike abortion deaths,that is why we must stop abortions from killing these women! I want to see your source&stats on more women dying during childbirth,that is simply NOT TRUE! I have given you the numbers,which you chose to ignore. I care very deeply for the women, I care for the abortionists who have ruined so many lives,this is why I speak up!
@angelshoulders Funny- you like hearing about the women who die from abortion, but the amount of women who die during childbirth is much higher. .. but I can see why you like this sort of thng- after all, you even believe children choose to be abused!
I have screencapped and saved those comments you claimed you never posted, that you DARED me via comment-spam to post and prove.. the ones that you then turned and began spamming me, then reported me for harassment for- they're in my video.
@ryddelwearsahat I would like to see YOUR sources & stats on #'s of women dying from heart surgery,kidney/liver transplants,plastic surgery& setting broken bones. Burden of proof is on you now!! I have given my sources,stats,etc. for abortions. If one,just one woman dies from this totally unnecessary procedure,it is too many.These are your prochoice sisters,your abortionists.WHY DON'T YOU CARE?
I would like to see YOUR sources & stats on #'s of women dying from heart surgery,kidney/liver transplants,plastic surgery& setting broken bones. Burden of proof is on you now!! I have given my sources,stats,etc. for abortions. If one,just one woman dies from this totally unnecessary procedure,it is too many.These are your prochoice sisters,your abortionists.WHY DON'T YOU CARE?
@ryddelwearsahat You know I dislike abortion deaths,that is why we must stop abortions from killing these women! I want to see your source&stats on more women dying during childbirth,that is simply NOT TRUE! I have given you the numbers,which you chose to ignore. I care very deeply for the women, I care for the abortionists who have ruined so many lives,this is why I speak up!
ABORTIONISTS GONE BAD:Lawson Akpulonu,Bench warrant for rape;Kim Beauchamp,Revoked for violating probation;Nicholas Braemer,License revoked for negligence against women;Mahlon Cannon,License revoked for death of female patients;Mohamed Dia,License revoked for negligence against women;Suresh Gandotra,Bench warrant for arrest in death of woman;Gordon Goei,License revoked for violating probation;MORE??
Interesting you should mention stalking. Because I have recently started following angelshoulders around this lovely medium.
You're clearly smart enough to see through her lies, but for anyone else: BE SUSPECT OF ANY 'SOURCES' ANGELSHOULDERS PROVIDES. They are typically outdated, erroneous, or misquoted. Plus she likes to spam the shit out of them. As she dallies along. On her Anti-Choice Fun Ride For The Pathologically Dishonest.
@dragonpat666 Pro-aborts keep saying stories of horrific mills and the abortionists who run them are isolated. Pro-aborts avert their eyes to protect abortion, certainly not to protect women Abortionists are the dregs of the medical field, real medical profession quarantees abortionists,they are the leaches of our society
how is blood on my hands cause my next door neighbor decides to abort her unwaned pregnancy? how would i even know she had an abortion? how silly. american is going down the toilet and were here arguing about some chick aborting her unwanted pregnancy. but open your eyes and see the real issues out there.
What type of person kills for a living?Patterson himself also suffered an early death at somebody else's hands.He was gunned down outside a pornography theater in an apparent gangland slaying.The Feminist Majority Foundation& Revolutionary Worker refer to the slain doctor as"Wayne Patterson",which is further evidence that he is the same doctor responsible for Mary Bradley's death.
@dragonpat666 Those of you familiar with pro-choice rhetoric will of course recognize such a response as an appeal to personal,bodily autonomy&privacy.Theres no addressing the morality of the issue of abortionsupposedly,whether or not there is a moral concern,it is trumped by a mothers right to the use of her own body as she deems fit.(So instead of talking about morals,were talking about rights&the two are not necessarily synonymous.)
well now, what bout later abortions, where babies can learn to suck its thumb, when it gets to bright and it covers its eyes, or it "thinks" im gonna make myself comfy? is it ok to abort after 3 months to 9 months? when a premmie can survie after 5 months?
@dragonpat666 Why is it that everyone acts like there is no other option for a women than a legal abortion or an illegal abortion.The point is that she has many more options than that.She only has to forfeit 9 months out of her life.People need to realize that when having sex before they're ready for children is just plain irresponsible.But,no,that's not PC.Sexual promiscuity is fine, right?It is rather a pity that we consider sex without thought of the consequences"advancement."
Why is it that everyone acts like there is no other option for a women than a legal abortion or an illegal abortion.The point is that she has many more options than that.She only has to forfeit 9 months out of her life.People need to realize that when having sex before they're ready for children is just plain irresponsible.But,no,that's not PC.Sexual promiscuity is fine, right?It is rather a pity that we consider sex without thought of the consequences"advancement."
@angelshoulders LMAO YOU have been given numbers by me AND by plenty of other pro-choice users, and you ignore them, and then deny ever reading them!
...just like you denied ever having posted the comments I have screencapped and saved in my video, hmm?
..and by the way, repressed seuxlaity or the need to punish sexuality is a sign of mental distress- it often comes from rape victims, which you are, aren't you? Talk to a psychiatrist.
@ryddelwearsahat You have never given me the source or stats for women who die from plastic surgery.Or heart surgery.Or getting their broken bone set. You have never given me sources or stats on any of your 'OPINIONS'. I also request the allegations that rape victims suffer repressed sexuality. Proof please, or S.U!
@angelshoulders And you outright lie, and I have a video proof of it- I notice you don't even acknowledge the fact that you've outright denied ever posting certain comments, then DARED me to provide them, which, upon my GLAD doing so, you dared spam me, then attempt to ignore me- who the hell should believe YOU?
I have given you stats, and I've seen with my own eyes the stats other users have been kind enough to provide, and I have seen you lie about ever seeing it- right now.
READ ON RYD.medicalmalpractice DAWTcom / National -Medica l-Malpractic e-Facts. cfm
A similar study conducted in California in 1974 found that 0.8% of hospital patients had either been injured by negligence in the hospital or had been HOSPITALIZED BECAUSE OF NEGLIGENT CARE.Extrapolation of those findings would have yielded an estimate of 249,000 injuries&deaths from negligent medical practice in 1988.
medicalmalpractice DAWTcom / National -Medica l-Malpractic e-Facts. cfm
A recent study by the Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of Sciences estimated that as many as 98,000 patients may be killed each year in hospitals alone as a result of medical errors.Earlier studies also found that this was a serious national problem.
^ How many of those 98,000 do you suppose are of the 20something abort fails you listed? Hmm?
FINALLY, BUT YOU FAILED TO READ ON. You took the lazy way around it. Do I scare you ryd? You always turn to threats when we have conversations. Why? You are free to do what you want, but I will not tolerate your belligerence,hostile or warlike attitude or nature ,aggressiveness or your natural disposition to be hostile.Constantly engaging in combat
@ryddelwearsahat FINALLY, BUT YOU FAILED TO READ ON. You took the lazy way around it. Do I scare you ryd? You always turn to threats when we have conversations. Why? You are free to do what you want, but I will not tolerate your belligerence,hostile or warlike attitude or nature ,aggressiveness or your natural disposition to be hostile.Constantly engaging in combat
@angelshoulders And how am I lying? I have your comment screencapped for the world to see throughout almost the entirety of my single video, on this account!go look, you dumb, bitch! Are you going to tell me those comments alongside the mass of text I have typed myself are not yours, or that they are doctored?
DO IT.
I'll make a screencap vid of me going to the pages and zooming firefox in on those same comments on the videos you posted them on... you think I can't and won't do it? Try me.
READ ON RYD.medicalmalpractice DAWTcom / National -Medica l-Malpractic e-Facts. cfm
A similar study conducted in California in 1974 found that 0.8% of hospital patients had either been injured by negligence in the hospital or had been HOSPITALIZED BECAUSE OF NEGLIGENT CARE.Extrapolation of those findings would have yielded an estimate of 249,000 injuries&deaths from negligent medical practice in 1988.
One guess who is flagging my comments as spam! ryd, you dirty dog. Afraid of what I'm saying? Don't what the truth to leak out. The only reason you would do that is to not have my truthful comments brought to life. What a chicken liver way to be! SHAME ON YOU!!
@angelshoulders care enough to understand that while it is horrible that some women who have abortions suffer malpractice, the great, vast majority still benefits greatly from having the choice available, myself being one of them. How about this for your own logic- 27 women is 30 years of MILLIONS of abortions died so you want to ban abortion based on that? Then ban alcohol, and all pain killers b/c of the deaths involved- or does alcohol not cause ANY deaths?
even if u use controseption u still take the risk of getting pregnent. once the chiled is concieved uv allredy made choise and u cant change ur minded and kill ur inocent baby. its just unfair
Prodeathers don't care about 'sentience',Women who died of legal,safe abortions:EuniceAgbaaga,NY,1989;DemetriceAndrews,GA,1988;Mickey;Apodaca,TX,1984;GloriaAponte,CT,1986;BarbaraAuerbach,NJ,1981;Jacqueline;Bailey,CA,1977;Myrta Baptiste,FL,1977;Lisa Bardsley,AZ,1995;Junette Barnes,TX,1988
@EndCatProductions How many 'sentient' prochoice women will have to die at the hands of these abortionists b/4 they take a stand? How many of their prochoice sister will be in the grave?Prodeathers don't care about any life,I have 1000's of names of women,death certificates,court case #'s, convictions of abortionists,for everything from rape,sexual assault,child pornography,larceny etc.
@angelshoulders it doesnt matter what some abortionists have been convicted of. the point all of us want across is, women should have control and choice over their own bodies!!
i am against late term abortions, however.
do me a favor and itch your arm...yeah what you just did killed more cells than an early term fetus...and they have just as much "sentience" as your precious soon-to-be baby.
@EndCatProductions Tell me,where these women killed by the hands of abortion sentient? Where the abortionists themselves sentient?How about the husbands,wives,neices,nephews,parents of these women & their abotionists sentient. Then obviously in your book,sentience doesn't matter! HYPOCRITE!!
@angelshoulders fpr the last time!! what certain irresponsible doctors do is out of the question! that isn't the issue!! the issue is a womans right to choose for herself! do you not care about the choice of the women in america? Do you really want to force your minority opinion upon the entire nation? get real angelshoulders, get real and realize that whether you like it or not, people have rights over their own body.
But at the same time the farther has the right to have his chiled. Well the mother has already agreed to give birth by getting pregnant. Both parents are equaly resposable for the baby, and just because one parent changes there mined it dose not mean the baby shoud be aborted. The farther chose to have a baby so he still has the right to look after that chiled.
Farther says no Mother yes
Same thing thyve both agreed the woman has a right. I thik most people will agree with me on that
"Well the mother has already agreed to give birth by getting pregnant."
No a woman is not agreeing to give birth if she took steps to prevent a pregnancy, and a women is certainly not agreeing to give birth if she has an abortion.
@toscata A mother's rights you mean. Have you thought about how many women are maimed,even killed through LEGAL & SAFE abortions.How many young women are sterile or suicidal after abortions? That was their 'choice'. I stand up for the life of the mother & baby.I do not want the young woman to undergo hysterectomy after the abortionist perforates her uterus,or bowel repair after he pulls her bowel out of her vagina.
@PlaygirlBunny4life"Since men cant get pregnant,they have nothing to say about abortion." If that were true, doctors couldnt treat a disease unless they had it first.How could we train funeral directors when they have never died?How can we oppose Hitlers genocide if were not Germans or Jews,or slavery if we were not slaves or slave holders?In any case,each child has a father. &52% of all unborn babies are boys.
People are going off topic, I'm going to try and talk about what this video is actualy asking. Weather you're pro life or pro death put that behined you and face the face that for now abortion is legal. even some people supporting abrotion say that it needs to be sorted out. First of all, do you want this chiled?
Farther yes, Mother no
Now imediatly I thought even tho abortion is wrong as long as it is legal the mother will be afected more than the farther. (look at next comment)
Once again, the prolifers sit silently and let abortion stay legal. If they would unite legislatively, we would win against Obama's culture of death. But so long as they sit silently on the edge, we will never win. UNITE!! DO SOMETHING, GET INVOLVED.THE BLOOD OF THE INNOCENT IS ON YOUR HANDS. YOU ARE LUKEWARM. This is the land flowing of milk & honey,but the greed,selfishness & immediate gratification runs deep. Abortion is legal because we let it be. HELP THE UNBORN AMERICANS,be patriotic.
if mistakes were made they should err on the side of life. Unless the mother has her life threatened and needs the baby removed, Then remove the baby from her body but don't kill it.
If the mother does not want the baby in her body than remove it from her body but grow it outside. This is the year 2009 babies have been born 20 weeks early and survive. There is no longer a need to kill children for false reasons.
because you yourself have been severely mistreated? how does this make any sense? no one says you have to raise that child. their are so many people who want to have a child and cant.....in answer to the question, I say yes, both parents should have to consent to the abortion, unless the rape was actually rape and then i guess the woman gets to kill her child if she wants
she made her choice when she slept with the guy with or with out protection....on the topic of rape...I have to say this , it is a horrible thing for a woman to go through, however its is highly unlikely that a woman will get pregnant during an actual rape (I'm not saying it never happens) and if she were to get pregnant think about this...that baby didn't chose to be put there, so now as the mother are going to kill your baby rather than give it up or something cont...
I think that if someone whether man or woman wants the child they should be allowed to have the child...however if the father wants no part then maybe he should sign over his rights and not have to pay child support...the same goes for the woman, if she is unwilling to care for her child and the father is then yes she should have to carry that baby...con
If there's no right or wrong, then banning all abortion and having the death penalty for anyone who has or performs an abortion would be MORALLY EQUAL to having abortion on demand or forcing everyone to have an abortion. If you're saying right or wrong is just what you say, then there's no argument, because that means it's just an opinion, and mine is different from your's and it's the same as saying there is no standard.
xs:If you're saying right or wrong is just what you say, then there's no argument, because that means it's just an opinion, and mine is different from your's and it's the same as saying there is no standard. You got it!!
"In fact, If fetuses did have a right to live, one could make an equal case for the right of unwanted fetuses not to live. Right? OR...are is not about the fetus at all? is it actually about YOU & YOUR wants? of course it is!"
Why are you saying it's about "me"? I don't want innocent people to be killed. Why? Because it's morally abhorrent, and because via the ethic of reciprocity, I would not want that to be done to me, so I don't wish it to be done to another, sueezee.
You didn't answer the question: In fact, If fetuses did have a right to live, one could make an equal case for the right of unwanted fetuses not to live. Right?
xs:not want that to be done to me, so I don't wish it to be done to another How can you connect yourself to any and all embryos like that?The embryo dosne't care & when the living start worrying about the non-existent, they descend into irrational, psychotic nonsense
It's simply impossible for any one person to adopt all the unwanted babies in the the world (or even in America). However, each of those women who wanted to have an abortion could raise that child or put them up for adoption. With assistance (you know, from the government! and even private charities, even just family and friends) these babies could be cared for, and given a chance. Some of them would turn out bad, others good, like anyone else. That's better than funding abortion
The point is, that to object to something on moral grounds, you don't have to have it within your power to stop that thing single handedly.
For example I can object to stealing, without buying all the merchandise that thieves would have stolen to give it to them for free. If I oppose the war in Iraq, I don't have to personally settle all the differences between the people over there and solve all their problems to make the war unnecessary myself.
"xs: Well then it's up to you to single handedly go around the globe and stop all the genocides happening yourself, because I'm going to sit on my hands and do nothing. And if you don't fix it yourself, then you're not REALLY against it!
have NO idea what that was about!
xs:That's a stupid, frikkininsane argument youre making
which one? "
I'm responding to the argument made earlier that pro-lifers are somehow wrong because in order to oppose abortion they must adopt all the unwanted babies.
Who says that abortion is a "woman's right"? Some man-made law. But is it moral, that's the question. Whether a woman is raped, forgot to take the pill, the condom broke, or she just changed her mind... makes no difference as to whether the abortion is moral or not. The baby still deserves to live, and that moral right trumps her "right" (?) not to be pregnant.
common sense makes abortion right. the recognition of women being more than their sexuality and ability to reproduce makes it lawful. the fact that women have inailanable rights to their self determination and privacy over their bodies and what those bodies experience makes abortion lawful. only a woman has a moral right to determine whether life springs from her body. situations concerning childbearing a are always complex and the law needs to reflect that.
And if you can't care for your own kids, you give them to someone who can!
It's pure selfishness and twisted insane thinking that says a person is better off dead because of the mood I was in during sex or whether I might have to be inconvenienced by their existence.
sueezee, of course it's rational to presume a person is better off alive than dead. Do you believe in some kind of afterlife? I'm not even bringing that into the conversation, but yes, alive is better than dead, and healthy is better than sick and so forth. But killing someone because they inconvenience you, or because they MIGHT have a hard life, are simply not acceptable moral choices.
You have a responsibility as a parent to take care of the well being of the children (which at the most basic minimum level includes protecting their lives!) you do have. "Wanting" or "not wanting"... "planning" or "not planning" has nothing to do with it. My grandmother was an unplanned pregnancy. She's a brilliant woman who has a had a long and fruitful life, and I love her dearly. Her entire family wouldn't exist if someone had taken your advice to heart.
xs:Wanting" or "not wanting"... "planning" or "not planning" has nothing to do with it Speak for yourself xs!!!
xs:My grandmother was an unplanned pregnancy. She's a brilliant woman Charles Manson was probable an unwanted child and was treated as such! He wasn't so brilliant...what was your point.. That unwanted babies who are born, turn out brilliant? You need to learn about stats! Your one gramdma does not a statistic make!
sueezee, none of your replies are actual rebuttals, just denials, it seems.
The thing is suezee, you can't KNOW whether a fetus will turn into a Charles Manson or my sweet grandma, so you have no MORAL RIGHT to decide to abort. Half of your argument for abortion was that (correct me if I'm wrong) unplanned pregnancies MIGHT grow up to be criminals or have hard lives. Another fact: many people with hard lives work for change and improve the world. You can't know, so give ALL a chance.
xs:Her entire family wouldn't exist if someone had taken your advice to heart. Think rationally, xs!! If she had been aborted you wouldn't have known or cared. We MUST use our heads, or its alll nonsense!
sueezee, the point is that these people, by not being aborted, were able to demonstrate that they had something to contribute to the world and they had good lives. By aborting them, you would have denied them this. Presuming that a child will have a hard life so they're better off dead is simply ridiculous. By that logic we should kill people who already have hard lives, if they're really better off dead. Be consistent.
i have something to contribute to the world to and i wouldnt be able to do that if my life is destroyed through a forced pregnancy. lots of things deny life. contraception for instance. that doesnt make it wrong. there is no reason to exist if your life is ruined. i would rather be dead than have my rights taken away. give me liberty or give me death. it is not for you to define what makes life worthy to others.
Dear Lord please put love and understanding in the hearts of those reading this ..... help them understand what a horrible thing is happening with abortion... THERE just really is NO excuse for abortion... abortion stops a beating heart.... nothing else needs to be said... HOW hard is that to understand... ?
Abortion is an excuse to keep having unprotected sex... take responsibility for what you create in your life..... especially if it is a human for Pete's sake..
Just:... take responsibility for what you create in your life..... especially if it is a human for Pete's sake.. Oh great! that means we can be irresponsible is its not a human life we created? And, abortion IS being responsible! Having kids you don't want ISN'T!
Abortion is irresponsible. Someone created a life and now, for whatever reason they have decided to destroy it.
If they were truly responsible, they wouldn't have gone out and gotten pregnant in the first place, and if they did get pregnant they would raise the child (or give her to someone who could raise them, if they couldn't). THAT is responsibility, not resorting to violence and destruction to escape difficulties.
xs: and if they did get pregnant they would raise the child (or give her to someone who could raise them, if they couldn't). THAT is responsibility Bull shit! having a child you don't want or even giving it up for adoption is irresponsible. Love the kids more than you hate abortion, xs!!
sueezee, why is giving a child you can't care for up for adoption "irresponsible"?
I'd say it is the very definition of taking responsibility! Abortion on the other hand is just using violence to destroy a life. That's morally irresponsible. Of course I love the kids. I don't see how killing them is in their best interest. You'd rather they were aborted than adopted? What kind of insane reasoning is that?
XS:Abortion on the other hand is just using violence to destroy a life. As opposed to having that life and caring less? Shall we talk about emotional violence & destroying lives?
XS:Of course I love the kids. No, you don't. My favorite prolife question: A baby will be born to die from starvation a month later(it happens EVERYday) Do you abort it or allow it to suffer for 30 days
XS:You'd rather they were aborted than adopted? What kind of insane reasoning is that? Oh sure!! We LOVE putting kids in dog pound like environments where they are fed by government paid workers, & housed w/many like aninmals, as they sit & WAIT for someone to MAYBE pick them to love. Shall we NOW talk about reasoning? I thought you said you cared about the kids! You lied. You are pro-BIRTH...pro- first bearth....and thats where your concern ends!
xs:You'd rather they were aborted than adopted? What kind of insane reasoning is that 250,000 kids up for adoption TODAY, 240,000 in foster care who could be put up for adoption soon & few will be adopted. Ending abortion could possibly put a MILLION kids up for adoption a yr...10 MILLION in 10 years. TEN MILLION THROWN AWAY KIDS. Can you even fathom that insanity? Did I ask hear YOU ask about My "reasoning"?
how many children have you had and with how many Fathers? there is too much of that going on nowdays... women need to quite sleeping with every Tom, Dick and Harry ,..... that is the problem.... if you can't deal with getting pregnant.... use protection... and if you still get pregnant..... then deal with it... have the baby, give it up for adoption.... but DON'T KILL IT... GET REAL PEOPLE
Because I'm not an illogical relativist, sueezee, that's why. And if you can't tell a person they're wrong, then why are you telling me I'm wrong to oppose the practice of human abortions on moral grounds?
Sex is a gift, but it's not so important that you get to kill for it, sorry.
xs: And if you can't tell a person they're wrong, then why are you telling me I'm wrong to oppose the practice of human abortions on moral grounds? Yes, when there is a right or wrong, I will tell you!
xs: why are you telling me I'm wrong to oppose the practice of human abortions on moral grounds? Because you have no right to deicde what a woman can do to her own body & fetus! If YOU aren't getting an abortion because of moral reasons...great, go for it!
"Because you have no right to deicde what a woman can do to her own body & fetus! If YOU aren't getting an abortion because of moral reasons...great, go for it!"
On the contrary, we as a society can and do say that a woman can't do certain things with her body. She can't commit suicide. She can't streak. She can't abuse drugs. She can't prostitute herself. Maybe you disagree with all those things, but her rights are not infinite. Her child is a seperate life.
XSwe as a society can and do say that a woman can't do certain things with her bodyShe can't commit suicide We are free to commit suicide anytime we want. It is NOT illegal. Christ, I thought maybe you were one of the smart ones. My mistake!
XS:She can't streak Thats NOT about her life. That effect those who see her.
xs:She can't abuse drugs YES! she can!!!
XS:She can't prostitute herself. That effetcs others. Dam if you have nothing better, why bother?
xs:why are you telling me I'm wrong to oppose the practice of human abortions on moral grounds? Because it cant & WON'T ever be done! You;re wrong to believe it will/could be. WRONG.
I oppose Abortion on moral grounds. You said I'm wrong because it "can't & won't ever be done".
But I just did. I pointed out that killing people because they inconvenience you, or because they were conceived accidentally, or because they MIGHT have a hard life was inconsistent, as you wouldn't agree we should kill people who already have hard lives, and "rape babies" didn't do anything wrong, etc.
I am sorry but there is NO grey area here..... life begins at conception.... aborton is killing.... even in the case of a rape,,,,,,, the rape is NOT the babies' fault... there are plenty of people that would like to adopt.... Abortion is just another form of holocaust......
just:there are plenty of people that would like to adopt... Who is going to adopt the 10 MILLION..THATS TEN MILLION unwanted babies that wold be given up in the next 10 yrs, if women don't abort? Are yu frickin insane??????? Step out of your safe, little box and see whats going on "out there"!!
Just:instead of getting pregnant , how about not sleeping with every moron that comes along... Oh, I get it, so the only women aborting ar e the ones who sleep around. Did you get that idea from your mother...because most pople don't feel that way! Or, do you live a Disney World exsistance, with make believe wishes?
sueezee, that's faulty logic. Do you object to genocide?
Well then it's up to you to single handedly go around the globe and stop all the genocides happening yourself, because I'm going to sit on my hands and do nothing. And if you don't fix it yourself, then you're not REALLY against it!
See? That's a stupid, "frikkin' insane' argument you're making. I'm aware of the outside world, but apparently you don't see the fatal problems with relativism.
xs:that's faulty logic Sorry dude, you will NOT find that in me!
xs:Do you object to genocide? The genoicde of whom & for what reason?
xs: Well then it's up to you to single handedly go around the globe and stop all the genocides happening yourself, because I'm going to sit on my hands and do nothing. And if you don't fix it yourself, then you're not REALLY against it! have NO idea what that was about!
xs:That's a stupid, frikkininsane argument youre making
sueezee, deny it all you want, but you've yet to provide a single logically consistent argument in favor of abortion on demand.
So you believe some types of genocide are justified or morally permissible? I'm talking about the killing of an entire race or ethnic group of human beings. If you think it's okay, then no wonder you defend abortion. You're consistent, just morally depraved. :P
xs:It's pure selfishness and twisted insane thinking that says a person is better off dead Are you now thinking for fetuses? Silly me, of course your're not, no one can do that! We have no idea what a rice sized embryo(when most abortion are performed) wants. In fact, If fetuses did have a right to live, one could make an equal case for the right of unwanted fetuses not to live. Right? OR...are is not about the fetus at all? is it actually about YOU & YOUR wants? of course it is!
sueezee, yes, I'm thinking for fetuses. It's no different than thinking for children or thinking for slaves (who couldn't read or write and weren't allowed to speak in public). Any oppressed group needs to be represented. The size of a human has no bearing on their moral worth, that's what you don't seem to understand. Is a fat person worth more than a thin person? A child vs. an adult? Get real.
All fetuses have a moral right to live, wanted or unwanted.
no one said rape was the baby's fault. but to force pregnancy upon an unconsenting women is more heinous than forcing sex upon her. women are not reproductive chattel. they own their wombs and they get to control how and when those wombs get used. no one can force someone to have a baby. to do so is to rape a woman of the control of her body. womens rights do come into play here whether prolifers want to admit it or not.
On the contrary, that presumes that pregnancy is evil. It's not. Rape is evil, pregnancy is not.
Is "enforcing pregnancy" evil? If it is, it's a lesser evil than "enforcing death" on the innocent unborn baby. You may "own your womb" but the child within it is your moral responsibility to PROTECT. It's a life, not a "punishment" or property like a pet or a coffee table to do with as you please.
were not talking about pregnancy. were talking about FORCED pregnancy which is evil just as forced sex is a profound violation of a person. it is self defense to fight against sexual violation to any degree. being forced to be pregnant is the worst volation. it is not my job to protect others life if it endangers my own welfare. pregnancy is inherantly risky. no one can use my womb without my consent including a fetus. i am an autonomous self a fetus is not.
Abortion is the destruction of a (zygote, birth control pills, morning after pill). (The destruction of a blastions or embreyo, early stage fetus, Vaccuum and scraping.)(The destruction of a later stage fetus, prostogladen, D&E, saline solution.) Killing babies is illegal, so if someone is killing babies than call the police. They will arrest them, put them in jail for murder, they will be on the News extra.
sueezee, there were no funerals for the Jews either.
A funeral is just a tradition. In some cultures they don't have funerals, but they still have rules against murder. I'm talking a moral distinction, not a legal one, since laws don't make somehting moral or immoral. I'm not a relativist. And if you are, your position is absurd and you can't tell anyone else what to do either. So we can ban abortion and you have to just suck it up, right? ;)
XS:, but they still have rules against murder. I'm talking a moral distinction, not a legal one According to whose moral code? Yours? Mine? Thats the reason there are laws against murder instead of a moral code againt murder. You cant legislate morals.
XS:you can't tell anyone else what to do either Show me where I have EVER done that.
xs:A funeral is just a tradition. how ignorant is that comment! yes, it is, but regardless, I think you got the gist of what I was trying to get across!!
sueezee, my point is that it's useless to say "well abortion must be okay because we don't give funerals to fetuses!"
If we gave funerals to fetuses, would that suddenly mean abortion should be illegal? You'd obviously disagree, because it's legal to kill pets, and some people give their pets funerals, yet they're not "persons" under the law. But fetuses are humans, not property or pets, so the laws are unjust and inconsistent.
"We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with
social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most
successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."
-- Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood, December 19, 1939
"We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with
social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most
successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."
-- Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood, December 19, 1939
As a Catholic, I'm against abortion. However, in one point of view, it depends between two people. To me, if a woman gets pregnant and does not want the baby, but the man does, for me, I think if the woman should go through the pregnancy and give the father custody to the child if the woman does not want the baby at all. But if the mother wants the baby, and the father does not, that would be the mother's decision.
Pf:Well, if I gotten a woman pregnant, I want to care of my own child if the mother does not want any custody whatsoever. WHy are you impregnting women if you don't KNOW she wants your child as much as YOU do? Thats part of the reason there is abortion....men who don't think! Keep your pants on until you find a woman to have a family WITH, not to have a family for you.
There's so much ignorance about abortion, if only people knew more. Its a wonder how so many people can form opinions on abortion when they don't know what it is. I know its a hot-button issue but people on both sides need to stop beings governed by their emotions and start deciding based on the facts. If everyone knew the facts on abortion the controversy would disappear. Nearly all of the questions about abortion have already been answered. Educate yourself, go to abort73(dot)com
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This is so foolish. Let me ask you a question since you are African American. When the abomination of slavery was legal, if a husband wanted to buy slaves, but the wife didn't, did they buy a slave? What?!?! Abortion is wicked and an abomination just like slavery. We shouldn't allow and justify a person's "choice" to commit an abomination. The modern abortion/planned parenthood genocide was started by Margret Sanger to kill black children primarily. Look it up. Abortion is now as slavery was!
I'll answer your second question with one of my own: who has to carry the fetus around for nine months? Who has to give birth? The mother.
Who has to worry about prenatal care, postnatal care, getting and keeping a job in this economy, providing for the child when or if it's born? More often than not, it's the mother. Until or unless the father is prepared to assume responsibility for his child, he's got no leg to stand on.
Couldent have said it better myself. If a man has the right to know and wants the child, then he needs to support the woman completely during the pregnancy. He must take and suppoort the child from the moment it is born. Ultimately all of these decisions are a private matter. Made by the woman no matter what laws are made. She decides who she will tell. Any discussion of changing that is always linked to a desperate GOP.
I think that there should not be a life long sense of gestapo, guilt, anger, or frustration on the part of the man, when a woman decides for life and the government or woman pursues him for financial support. If a man had only the choice of intercourse and used protection and it failed or was duped then he should be legally able to opt-out even when DNA proves paternity is positive id.
If the dady can opt out then every taxpayer is forced to opt in, by paying for welfare/food stamps/section 8 simply because the daddy doesn't want to pay child support.
I think that a woman should always have the final choice on her own body no matter what a man may feel. However, I do believe that at the same time if a woman decides to keep a child out of wedlock then there should be some way for the man to acknowledge at the pregnancy his feelings on the choice of life versus abortion. Example, if a man dates a woman and they use protection and it fails or if the woman is on birth control and it fails then when a woman decides to keep it then a man >>>
The woman's choice trumps the man's! It's her body and she's the one who will have to carry the baby. Rather she laid down or was raped, it's still her body.
No, I don't feel that women should need the father's signature to get an abortion. The father has no obligations until the baby is born, her obligations start day one.
Woman's choice hands down. He can get mad and bounce. He's not guaranteed going to be there....so woman's choice. But if u r in a serious relationship its wrong for the woman to take that upon herself w/o her man's agreement....but like I said he could bounce so...
Its the woman's body, she can do what she wants with it. Men have no say over my body weather I want to keep it or not.
If the man really wants to have the baby he needs to sign a legal contract stating that he will take care of it and pay for the entire preganncy including sick time and hospital bills.
she had money to get silicone boobs , but the baby was just a fetus , so she just
chose to cut it up in pieces
keep your child , Mother - it is your child - do not listen to the irressponsible sperm donor - ,.... Mother - you know what the right thing is - deliver that beautifull baby
love the baby , it will help you one day , screw stupid sperm donors
szlagjasny 9 months ago
Over 1 MILLION unborn babies are sent to the cities' dumps each and every year here in the United States of America. They are buried among all of the everyday trash that we Americans also cast away. They have no gravemarker or headstone. They don't even have a name. They are there with the humiliating knowledge that their own Mother hired someone to torture them to death and throw them to where they are now:
...In a city dump for all eternity.
Babies are not trash.
It must all end now.
cadrolls1 1 year ago 2
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Over 1 MILLION unborn babies are sent to the cities' dumps each and every year here in the United States of America. They are buried among all of the everyday trash that we Americans also cast away. They have no gravemarker or headstone. They don't even have a name. They are there with the humiliating knowledge that their own Mother hired someone to torture them to death and throw them to where they are now:
...In a city dump for all eternity.
Babies are not trash.
It must all end now.
cadrolls1 1 year ago
This is not a perfect world. I feel it should be a medical reason or mental health issue. Like if there is a case of inbreeding, serious drugs, and rape; a woman should have the option. It is such a sensitive subject, everyone believes they are right. Maybe every American should have the option to be fixed at 18 and older! Would this lesson the abortion problem?
TheTEDESCO5 1 year ago
Eh I say if one of them doesnt want the baby then dont have it cuz its kinda fucked up to bring a child into the world whose father or mother doesnt want it and treats it like crap i speak from expirence my mother didnt want me (she was forced to have me) and she nvr said she loved me she was a drug addict nd let men abuse nd rape me for her drugs i would have rather she had an abortion to be perfectly honest i didnt ask to be born but i did beg to die
PurpleHelmetWarior69 1 year ago
I think the final decision should be with the mother, but I think the father should have the right to "force" a few counseling sessions, if he wants to keep the child, before the mother is allowed to take an abortion. This is so that the father can have hes case on keeping the child presented by professionals that might give a 3rd part insight. Because sometimes theres allot of conflict between the mother and father and such a right might remove missus of the abortion choice the mother has.
Lobos222 1 year ago
to me the abortion debate is all about the woman, and doesn't at all take into consideration the lives of the child or the father... if a woman decides to abort the mann gets no say in that decision, even if he wants to keep his child... if the woman keeps the child, the father is then forced to either raise it or pay child support for 18yrs... what ever the woman decides, she's making a life changing choice for at least 2 other ppl, and to me that's just wrong
9months vs a human life
xXaudraXannXx 1 year ago
good question... if the father wants to raise his child he should have a say in the abortion... pregnancy has it's lousy parts, but is 9months really a fair trade for a human life?
xXaudraXannXx 1 year ago
The woman trumps.
I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but until the day comes that a man can do for his children what a woman can do for hers (incubate, birth, feed from breasts) her investment shall always be larger and therefore the choice should mostly reflect her will and intentions.
somethinguncreative 1 year ago
!) Woman wins. Even if the father wants the baby, he is not the one that has to go through the morning sickness, the aches and pains, the labour etc.
2) Woman wins. BUT this one is tricky. I think that AS YOU STATED IT, if the father has expressed they want nothing to do with the child, they should have the legal right to get an "abortion" of their own and lose all rights and responsiblity toward that child.
3) Yes, Women should have the right without a signiture
serrya69 1 year ago
Think about this:
Pro Choice people need to understand that the arguement on abortion is not a religious arguement but a political argument, where as Pro Life people need to realize that not all abortions are for the wrong reason(s).
If abortion was to become illegal, people will say a woman's right has been taken away. But if a woman aborts her baby, than it's right has been taken away. Either way someone or something's right has been taken away.
mjt19741 1 year ago
@mjt19741 Both Pro Life and Pro Choice sides need to compromise to end the arguement.
Neither side will agree on all things. But we can atleast agree on some things and that way both sides can have a better understanding on the subject.
mjt19741 1 year ago
@mjt19741 can't believe i overlooked this very intellectual thesis: prolifers say that the mother to be and the baby are 'equal" and have the same rights but this is not even possible. there can be no equality here; legal or illegal, one will have their "rights" recognized over the other. there is no other way things can be "equal" in this situation.
dragonpat666 1 year ago
@dragonpat666 Ahhh...that's what all pro choicers say.
mjt19741 1 year ago
@mjt19741 its obviously the truth. i as a woman is worth way more then a fetus or embryo. that is why when my life is endanger because of a problem pregnancy, unless i say otherwise, the pregnancy will either be prematurely ended or the fetus/embryo aborted....so I can live. and this is the way it is supposed to be. unfortunately some places are governed by the insane such as the roman catholic rule in el salvador and the philiphines.
dragonpat666 1 year ago
@dragonpat666 10% of all abortions world wide are from life threatening situations. If the pregnant mother has a life threatening situation and has no choice but to abort, then yes terminate the pregnancy and reproduce at a later date if the mother feels up to it. There is nothing wrong with terminating the pregnancy if the mother has a life threating situation.
mjt19741 1 year ago
@mjt19741 theres nothing wrong with terminating a pregnancy if she simply does not want to go through with it. abortion is legal in america!
dragonpat666 1 year ago
@dragonpat666 You also have to understand that because something is legal, does not necessarly mean it's the right thing to do. Abortion is one of those
mjt19741 1 year ago
@mjt19741 right and wrong is arbitrary and depends on the perception of every single individual. you will know if you were wrong when you get punished though...then again you might get punished while being right? lol. concering abortion, it is right to allow a woman to make that decision because it will basically affect only her: and right is not always fair. neither is life..or death.
dragonpat666 1 year ago
spamshoulders is spamming forums with her usual string of meaningless citations...i think she's trying to legitimize her position but it tends to make her look foolish.
backaround 1 year ago
spamshoulders spams. there's no denying it. she exemplifies unrestrained ignorance and deceit.
backaround 1 year ago
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angelshoulders 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat It is laughable that angelshoulders would demand credible sources given that she does not provide them.
She spams forums with outdated citations, misquotes, acontextual data and outright lies.
backaround 1 year ago
If your 'choice' is abortion, you have decided to pay a Dr. who has taken the 'Hippocratic Oath' (do no harm) to enter your womb unto your baby that has a heartbeat and brain waves, use surgical instruments to dismember and KILL your child and then throw him/her into a trash can. Do the right thing and choose LIFE!!!
Planned Parenthood=Slaughter Houses
truthinreality 2 years ago
@truthinreality Agreed!!!
Planned Parenthood=Slaughter Houses.
mjt19741 1 year ago
@mjt19741 says PLanned aParenthood = slaughter house
~~~~~~~~~~~~ hahahah, thats funny, being as PP did 134,000 abortions in 2009.....! Who is doing the other 866,000?? YOu better learn who is doing all the abortions ( EVERY small town doc) before jumping on PP, the WORLDS LARGEST & MOST RESPECTED REPRODUCTIVE ORG IN THE WORLD.. See how stupid I made you look? Learn BEFORE opening your mouth.
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@Sueezee1 Oh c'mon. Do you think that Planned Parenthood is the only place that does abortions? What about naral? Or better yet, what about the abortion clinics. In my arear, PP is not allowed to even perform abortions, but they do abortion referrals. Which means the clinics. C'mon Suezee, do you really think you are that smart?
mjt19741 1 year ago
@mjt19741
sueezee said: PP did 134,000 abortions in 2009.....! Who is doing the other 866,000?? mjtdumbass responded: do you think PP is the only place that does abortion hahahahahahaha.LOLOLOLOL...OMG....LMFAO.... mjt you are the most stupid prolife I have ever seen and you poor dumbass dosent even know it..hahahahah
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Sueezee1 1 year ago
@Sueezee1 You're so messed up. I never said that PP was the only place that does abortions.
Grow up Sueezee
mjt19741 1 year ago
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@mjt19741 says: You're so messed up. I never said that PP was the only place that does abortions.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ hahahahah i never said that you said it was. Youre reading comp sucks./
Sueezee1 8 months ago
It is always the mothers choice, I understand that the father has taking part in making the feotus, It is the woman who will have to carry it and give birth to it.
The father should have no say in the ultimate decision.
Love; Crash
crashkadara 2 years ago 2
@crashkadara Why is it you never talk about the mother's who die at the hands of abortionists?Never talk about what type of a person it is that can do this to another living human being?You don't tell us about the charges of sexual assault,aggravated assault,child pornography,murder of associates,negligence,larceny,insurance fraud,murder,against these killers,etc?Get the whole story out there!!
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders Are you stalking me or something sweetie?
Oh and giving me this bullshit 'all abortionists are rapists' isn't going to work, I know for a fact this shit happens in a very (very) small minority of cases.
Bring me some facts and figures, Bring me case studies, Talk like a reasonable adult and maybe then we can have a discussion.
Until then fuck off and get your shit sorted out.
Love; Birdie
crashkadara 1 year ago
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ABORTIONISTS GONE BAD:Lawson Akpulonu,Bench warrant for rape;Kim Beauchamp,Revoked for violating probation;Nicholas Braemer,License revoked for negligence against women;Mahlon Cannon,License revoked for death of female patients;Mohamed Dia,License revoked for negligence against women;Suresh Gandotra,Bench warrant for arrest in death of woman;Gordon Goei,License revoked for violating probation;MORE??
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders Why is it that you like to hear about abortion death so much? Do you think those women deserve to die? Do you think that people only die from accidents during abortion, and that heart surgery, kidney/liver transplants, plastic surgery, and even the setting of broken bones completely w/o any form of damage or even death?
Why don't you talk about catholic priests who molest little boys, or the fact that hitler's mother wanted to have an abortion? Have you seen my video yet? =)
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
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@ryddelwearsahat You know I dislike abortion deaths,that is why we must stop abortions from killing these women! I want to see your source&stats on more women dying during childbirth,that is simply NOT TRUE! I have given you the numbers,which you chose to ignore. I care very deeply for the women, I care for the abortionists who have ruined so many lives,this is why I speak up!
angelshoulders 1 year ago 2
I would like to see YOUR sources & stats on #'s of women dying from heart surgery,kidney/liver transplants,plastic surgery& setting broken bones. Burden of proof is on you now!! I have given my sources,stats,etc. for abortions. If one,just one woman dies from this totally unnecessary procedure,it is too many.These are your prochoice sisters,your abortionists.WHY DON'T YOU CARE?
angelshoulders 1 year ago
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You know I dislike abortion deaths,that is why we must stop abortions from killing these women! I want to see your source&stats on more women dying during childbirth,that is simply NOT TRUE! I have given you the numbers,which you chose to ignore. I care very deeply for the women, I care for the abortionists who have ruined so many lives,this is why I speak up!
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders Funny- you like hearing about the women who die from abortion, but the amount of women who die during childbirth is much higher. .. but I can see why you like this sort of thng- after all, you even believe children choose to be abused!
I have screencapped and saved those comments you claimed you never posted, that you DARED me via comment-spam to post and prove.. the ones that you then turned and began spamming me, then reported me for harassment for- they're in my video.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
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@ryddelwearsahat I would like to see YOUR sources & stats on #'s of women dying from heart surgery,kidney/liver transplants,plastic surgery& setting broken bones. Burden of proof is on you now!! I have given my sources,stats,etc. for abortions. If one,just one woman dies from this totally unnecessary procedure,it is too many.These are your prochoice sisters,your abortionists.WHY DON'T YOU CARE?
angelshoulders 1 year ago 2
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I would like to see YOUR sources & stats on #'s of women dying from heart surgery,kidney/liver transplants,plastic surgery& setting broken bones. Burden of proof is on you now!! I have given my sources,stats,etc. for abortions. If one,just one woman dies from this totally unnecessary procedure,it is too many.These are your prochoice sisters,your abortionists.WHY DON'T YOU CARE?
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat You know I dislike abortion deaths,that is why we must stop abortions from killing these women! I want to see your source&stats on more women dying during childbirth,that is simply NOT TRUE! I have given you the numbers,which you chose to ignore. I care very deeply for the women, I care for the abortionists who have ruined so many lives,this is why I speak up!
angelshoulders 1 year ago
ABORTIONISTS GONE BAD:Lawson Akpulonu,Bench warrant for rape;Kim Beauchamp,Revoked for violating probation;Nicholas Braemer,License revoked for negligence against women;Mahlon Cannon,License revoked for death of female patients;Mohamed Dia,License revoked for negligence against women;Suresh Gandotra,Bench warrant for arrest in death of woman;Gordon Goei,License revoked for violating probation;MORE??
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@crashkadara
Dear Birdie,
Interesting you should mention stalking. Because I have recently started following angelshoulders around this lovely medium.
You're clearly smart enough to see through her lies, but for anyone else: BE SUSPECT OF ANY 'SOURCES' ANGELSHOULDERS PROVIDES. They are typically outdated, erroneous, or misquoted. Plus she likes to spam the shit out of them. As she dallies along. On her Anti-Choice Fun Ride For The Pathologically Dishonest.
Best regards,
Backaround
backaround 1 year ago
life is "not fair" get over it and in the meantime, stay out of my uterus!
dragonpat666 2 years ago
@dragonpat666 Pro-aborts keep saying stories of horrific mills and the abortionists who run them are isolated. Pro-aborts avert their eyes to protect abortion, certainly not to protect women Abortionists are the dregs of the medical field, real medical profession quarantees abortionists,they are the leaches of our society
angelshoulders 1 year ago
how is blood on my hands cause my next door neighbor decides to abort her unwaned pregnancy? how would i even know she had an abortion? how silly. american is going down the toilet and were here arguing about some chick aborting her unwanted pregnancy. but open your eyes and see the real issues out there.
dragonpat666 2 years ago
What type of person kills for a living?Patterson himself also suffered an early death at somebody else's hands.He was gunned down outside a pornography theater in an apparent gangland slaying.The Feminist Majority Foundation& Revolutionary Worker refer to the slain doctor as"Wayne Patterson",which is further evidence that he is the same doctor responsible for Mary Bradley's death.
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@dragonpat666 Those of you familiar with pro-choice rhetoric will of course recognize such a response as an appeal to personal,bodily autonomy&privacy.Theres no addressing the morality of the issue of abortionsupposedly,whether or not there is a moral concern,it is trumped by a mothers right to the use of her own body as she deems fit.(So instead of talking about morals,were talking about rights&the two are not necessarily synonymous.)
angelshoulders 1 year ago
well now, what bout later abortions, where babies can learn to suck its thumb, when it gets to bright and it covers its eyes, or it "thinks" im gonna make myself comfy? is it ok to abort after 3 months to 9 months? when a premmie can survie after 5 months?
stevienickslover 2 years ago
of course not. you need to get involved on a political level concerning this issue.
dragonpat666 2 years ago
dont know enough bout american law and its rather annoying,lol
stevienickslover 2 years ago
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@dragonpat666 Why is it that everyone acts like there is no other option for a women than a legal abortion or an illegal abortion.The point is that she has many more options than that.She only has to forfeit 9 months out of her life.People need to realize that when having sex before they're ready for children is just plain irresponsible.But,no,that's not PC.Sexual promiscuity is fine, right?It is rather a pity that we consider sex without thought of the consequences"advancement."
angelshoulders 1 year ago 2
Why is it that everyone acts like there is no other option for a women than a legal abortion or an illegal abortion.The point is that she has many more options than that.She only has to forfeit 9 months out of her life.People need to realize that when having sex before they're ready for children is just plain irresponsible.But,no,that's not PC.Sexual promiscuity is fine, right?It is rather a pity that we consider sex without thought of the consequences"advancement."
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders LMAO YOU have been given numbers by me AND by plenty of other pro-choice users, and you ignore them, and then deny ever reading them!
...just like you denied ever having posted the comments I have screencapped and saved in my video, hmm?
..and by the way, repressed seuxlaity or the need to punish sexuality is a sign of mental distress- it often comes from rape victims, which you are, aren't you? Talk to a psychiatrist.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat You have never given me the source or stats for women who die from plastic surgery.Or heart surgery.Or getting their broken bone set. You have never given me sources or stats on any of your 'OPINIONS'. I also request the allegations that rape victims suffer repressed sexuality. Proof please, or S.U!
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders And you outright lie, and I have a video proof of it- I notice you don't even acknowledge the fact that you've outright denied ever posting certain comments, then DARED me to provide them, which, upon my GLAD doing so, you dared spam me, then attempt to ignore me- who the hell should believe YOU?
I have given you stats, and I've seen with my own eyes the stats other users have been kind enough to provide, and I have seen you lie about ever seeing it- right now.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
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READ ON RYD.medicalmalpractice DAWTcom / National -Medica l-Malpractic e-Facts. cfm
A similar study conducted in California in 1974 found that 0.8% of hospital patients had either been injured by negligence in the hospital or had been HOSPITALIZED BECAUSE OF NEGLIGENT CARE.Extrapolation of those findings would have yielded an estimate of 249,000 injuries&deaths from negligent medical practice in 1988.
angelshoulders 1 year ago 4
@angelshoulders Here you go-
medicalmalpractice DAWTcom / National -Medica l-Malpractic e-Facts. cfm
A recent study by the Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of Sciences estimated that as many as 98,000 patients may be killed each year in hospitals alone as a result of medical errors.Earlier studies also found that this was a serious national problem.
^ How many of those 98,000 do you suppose are of the 20something abort fails you listed? Hmm?
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
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FINALLY, BUT YOU FAILED TO READ ON. You took the lazy way around it. Do I scare you ryd? You always turn to threats when we have conversations. Why? You are free to do what you want, but I will not tolerate your belligerence,hostile or warlike attitude or nature ,aggressiveness or your natural disposition to be hostile.Constantly engaging in combat
angelshoulders 1 year ago 4
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@ryddelwearsahat FINALLY, BUT YOU FAILED TO READ ON. You took the lazy way around it. Do I scare you ryd? You always turn to threats when we have conversations. Why? You are free to do what you want, but I will not tolerate your belligerence,hostile or warlike attitude or nature ,aggressiveness or your natural disposition to be hostile.Constantly engaging in combat
angelshoulders 1 year ago 2
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@angelshoulders And how am I lying? I have your comment screencapped for the world to see throughout almost the entirety of my single video, on this account!go look, you dumb, bitch! Are you going to tell me those comments alongside the mass of text I have typed myself are not yours, or that they are doctored?
DO IT.
I'll make a screencap vid of me going to the pages and zooming firefox in on those same comments on the videos you posted them on... you think I can't and won't do it? Try me.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
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A similar study conducted in California in 1974 found that 0.8% of hospital patients had either been injured by negligence in the hospital or had been HOSPITALIZED BECAUSE OF NEGLIGENT CARE.Extrapolation of those findings would have yielded an estimate of 249,000 injuries&deaths from negligent medical practice in 1988.
angelshoulders 1 year ago 2
One guess who is flagging my comments as spam! ryd, you dirty dog. Afraid of what I'm saying? Don't what the truth to leak out. The only reason you would do that is to not have my truthful comments brought to life. What a chicken liver way to be! SHAME ON YOU!!
angelshoulders 1 year ago
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@angelshoulders care enough to understand that while it is horrible that some women who have abortions suffer malpractice, the great, vast majority still benefits greatly from having the choice available, myself being one of them. How about this for your own logic- 27 women is 30 years of MILLIONS of abortions died so you want to ban abortion based on that? Then ban alcohol, and all pain killers b/c of the deaths involved- or does alcohol not cause ANY deaths?
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
even if u use controseption u still take the risk of getting pregnent. once the chiled is concieved uv allredy made choise and u cant change ur minded and kill ur inocent baby. its just unfair
PlaygirlBunny4life 2 years ago
unfair to something that cant even THINK!
EndCatProductions 2 years ago
Prodeathers don't care about 'sentience',Women who died of legal,safe abortions:EuniceAgbaaga,NY,1989;DemetriceAndrews,GA,1988;Mickey;Apodaca,TX,1984;GloriaAponte,CT,1986;BarbaraAuerbach,NJ,1981;Jacqueline;Bailey,CA,1977;Myrta Baptiste,FL,1977;Lisa Bardsley,AZ,1995;Junette Barnes,TX,1988
Deanna Bell,IL,1992 MORE?
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@EndCatProductions How many 'sentient' prochoice women will have to die at the hands of these abortionists b/4 they take a stand? How many of their prochoice sister will be in the grave?Prodeathers don't care about any life,I have 1000's of names of women,death certificates,court case #'s, convictions of abortionists,for everything from rape,sexual assault,child pornography,larceny etc.
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders it doesnt matter what some abortionists have been convicted of. the point all of us want across is, women should have control and choice over their own bodies!!
i am against late term abortions, however.
do me a favor and itch your arm...yeah what you just did killed more cells than an early term fetus...and they have just as much "sentience" as your precious soon-to-be baby.
EndCatProductions 1 year ago
@EndCatProductions Tell me,where these women killed by the hands of abortion sentient? Where the abortionists themselves sentient?How about the husbands,wives,neices,nephews,parents of these women & their abotionists sentient. Then obviously in your book,sentience doesn't matter! HYPOCRITE!!
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders fpr the last time!! what certain irresponsible doctors do is out of the question! that isn't the issue!! the issue is a womans right to choose for herself! do you not care about the choice of the women in america? Do you really want to force your minority opinion upon the entire nation? get real angelshoulders, get real and realize that whether you like it or not, people have rights over their own body.
EndCatProductions 1 year ago
playgirlbunny4life
your satirical posting skills are phenomenal!
dorado221 2 years ago
But at the same time the farther has the right to have his chiled. Well the mother has already agreed to give birth by getting pregnant. Both parents are equaly resposable for the baby, and just because one parent changes there mined it dose not mean the baby shoud be aborted. The farther chose to have a baby so he still has the right to look after that chiled.
Farther says no Mother yes
Same thing thyve both agreed the woman has a right. I thik most people will agree with me on that
PlaygirlBunny4life 2 years ago
"Well the mother has already agreed to give birth by getting pregnant."
No a woman is not agreeing to give birth if she took steps to prevent a pregnancy, and a women is certainly not agreeing to give birth if she has an abortion.
toscata 2 years ago
@toscata A mother's rights you mean. Have you thought about how many women are maimed,even killed through LEGAL & SAFE abortions.How many young women are sterile or suicidal after abortions? That was their 'choice'. I stand up for the life of the mother & baby.I do not want the young woman to undergo hysterectomy after the abortionist perforates her uterus,or bowel repair after he pulls her bowel out of her vagina.
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@PlaygirlBunny4life"Since men cant get pregnant,they have nothing to say about abortion." If that were true, doctors couldnt treat a disease unless they had it first.How could we train funeral directors when they have never died?How can we oppose Hitlers genocide if were not Germans or Jews,or slavery if we were not slaves or slave holders?In any case,each child has a father. &52% of all unborn babies are boys.
angelshoulders 1 year ago
People are going off topic, I'm going to try and talk about what this video is actualy asking. Weather you're pro life or pro death put that behined you and face the face that for now abortion is legal. even some people supporting abrotion say that it needs to be sorted out. First of all, do you want this chiled?
Farther yes, Mother no
Now imediatly I thought even tho abortion is wrong as long as it is legal the mother will be afected more than the farther. (look at next comment)
PlaygirlBunny4life 2 years ago
Once again, the prolifers sit silently and let abortion stay legal. If they would unite legislatively, we would win against Obama's culture of death. But so long as they sit silently on the edge, we will never win. UNITE!! DO SOMETHING, GET INVOLVED.THE BLOOD OF THE INNOCENT IS ON YOUR HANDS. YOU ARE LUKEWARM. This is the land flowing of milk & honey,but the greed,selfishness & immediate gratification runs deep. Abortion is legal because we let it be. HELP THE UNBORN AMERICANS,be patriotic.
angelshoulders 2 years ago
if mistakes were made they should err on the side of life. Unless the mother has her life threatened and needs the baby removed, Then remove the baby from her body but don't kill it.
If the mother does not want the baby in her body than remove it from her body but grow it outside. This is the year 2009 babies have been born 20 weeks early and survive. There is no longer a need to kill children for false reasons.
funnystuff123d3 2 years ago
because you yourself have been severely mistreated? how does this make any sense? no one says you have to raise that child. their are so many people who want to have a child and cant.....in answer to the question, I say yes, both parents should have to consent to the abortion, unless the rape was actually rape and then i guess the woman gets to kill her child if she wants
ericsbabygirl2007 2 years ago
she made her choice when she slept with the guy with or with out protection....on the topic of rape...I have to say this , it is a horrible thing for a woman to go through, however its is highly unlikely that a woman will get pregnant during an actual rape (I'm not saying it never happens) and if she were to get pregnant think about this...that baby didn't chose to be put there, so now as the mother are going to kill your baby rather than give it up or something cont...
ericsbabygirl2007 2 years ago
I think that if someone whether man or woman wants the child they should be allowed to have the child...however if the father wants no part then maybe he should sign over his rights and not have to pay child support...the same goes for the woman, if she is unwilling to care for her child and the father is then yes she should have to carry that baby...con
ericsbabygirl2007 2 years ago
sueezee, you've destroyed your own argument.
If there's no right or wrong, then banning all abortion and having the death penalty for anyone who has or performs an abortion would be MORALLY EQUAL to having abortion on demand or forcing everyone to have an abortion. If you're saying right or wrong is just what you say, then there's no argument, because that means it's just an opinion, and mine is different from your's and it's the same as saying there is no standard.
XSC3 3 years ago
xs:If you're saying right or wrong is just what you say, then there's no argument, because that means it's just an opinion, and mine is different from your's and it's the same as saying there is no standard. You got it!!
sueezee 3 years ago
XS:you've destroyed your own argument That can't be ...because my argument is what made abortion legal.
sueezee 3 years ago
"In fact, If fetuses did have a right to live, one could make an equal case for the right of unwanted fetuses not to live. Right? OR...are is not about the fetus at all? is it actually about YOU & YOUR wants? of course it is!"
Why are you saying it's about "me"? I don't want innocent people to be killed. Why? Because it's morally abhorrent, and because via the ethic of reciprocity, I would not want that to be done to me, so I don't wish it to be done to another, sueezee.
XSC3 3 years ago
XS:Why are you saying it's about "me"?
You didn't answer the question: In fact, If fetuses did have a right to live, one could make an equal case for the right of unwanted fetuses not to live. Right?
xs:not want that to be done to me, so I don't wish it to be done to another How can you connect yourself to any and all embryos like that?The embryo dosne't care & when the living start worrying about the non-existent, they descend into irrational, psychotic nonsense
sueezee 3 years ago
It's simply impossible for any one person to adopt all the unwanted babies in the the world (or even in America). However, each of those women who wanted to have an abortion could raise that child or put them up for adoption. With assistance (you know, from the government! and even private charities, even just family and friends) these babies could be cared for, and given a chance. Some of them would turn out bad, others good, like anyone else. That's better than funding abortion
XSC3 3 years ago
The point is, that to object to something on moral grounds, you don't have to have it within your power to stop that thing single handedly.
For example I can object to stealing, without buying all the merchandise that thieves would have stolen to give it to them for free. If I oppose the war in Iraq, I don't have to personally settle all the differences between the people over there and solve all their problems to make the war unnecessary myself.
XSC3 3 years ago
"xs: Well then it's up to you to single handedly go around the globe and stop all the genocides happening yourself, because I'm going to sit on my hands and do nothing. And if you don't fix it yourself, then you're not REALLY against it!
have NO idea what that was about!
xs:That's a stupid, frikkininsane argument youre making
which one? "
I'm responding to the argument made earlier that pro-lifers are somehow wrong because in order to oppose abortion they must adopt all the unwanted babies.
XSC3 3 years ago
Who says that abortion is a "woman's right"? Some man-made law. But is it moral, that's the question. Whether a woman is raped, forgot to take the pill, the condom broke, or she just changed her mind... makes no difference as to whether the abortion is moral or not. The baby still deserves to live, and that moral right trumps her "right" (?) not to be pregnant.
XSC3 3 years ago
common sense makes abortion right. the recognition of women being more than their sexuality and ability to reproduce makes it lawful. the fact that women have inailanable rights to their self determination and privacy over their bodies and what those bodies experience makes abortion lawful. only a woman has a moral right to determine whether life springs from her body. situations concerning childbearing a are always complex and the law needs to reflect that.
leiapeison 3 years ago
And if you can't care for your own kids, you give them to someone who can!
It's pure selfishness and twisted insane thinking that says a person is better off dead because of the mood I was in during sex or whether I might have to be inconvenienced by their existence.
XSC3 3 years ago
xs:It's pure selfishness and twisted insane thinking that says a person is better off dead
LOLOL, but its absolutely normal & rational to think a fetus is better off alive?
sueezee 3 years ago
sueezee, of course it's rational to presume a person is better off alive than dead. Do you believe in some kind of afterlife? I'm not even bringing that into the conversation, but yes, alive is better than dead, and healthy is better than sick and so forth. But killing someone because they inconvenience you, or because they MIGHT have a hard life, are simply not acceptable moral choices.
XSC3 3 years ago
You have a responsibility as a parent to take care of the well being of the children (which at the most basic minimum level includes protecting their lives!) you do have. "Wanting" or "not wanting"... "planning" or "not planning" has nothing to do with it. My grandmother was an unplanned pregnancy. She's a brilliant woman who has a had a long and fruitful life, and I love her dearly. Her entire family wouldn't exist if someone had taken your advice to heart.
XSC3 3 years ago
xs:Wanting" or "not wanting"... "planning" or "not planning" has nothing to do with it Speak for yourself xs!!!
xs:My grandmother was an unplanned pregnancy. She's a brilliant woman Charles Manson was probable an unwanted child and was treated as such! He wasn't so brilliant...what was your point.. That unwanted babies who are born, turn out brilliant? You need to learn about stats! Your one gramdma does not a statistic make!
sueezee 3 years ago
sueezee, none of your replies are actual rebuttals, just denials, it seems.
The thing is suezee, you can't KNOW whether a fetus will turn into a Charles Manson or my sweet grandma, so you have no MORAL RIGHT to decide to abort. Half of your argument for abortion was that (correct me if I'm wrong) unplanned pregnancies MIGHT grow up to be criminals or have hard lives. Another fact: many people with hard lives work for change and improve the world. You can't know, so give ALL a chance.
XSC3 3 years ago
xs:Her entire family wouldn't exist if someone had taken your advice to heart. Think rationally, xs!! If she had been aborted you wouldn't have known or cared. We MUST use our heads, or its alll nonsense!
sueezee 3 years ago
sueezee, the point is that these people, by not being aborted, were able to demonstrate that they had something to contribute to the world and they had good lives. By aborting them, you would have denied them this. Presuming that a child will have a hard life so they're better off dead is simply ridiculous. By that logic we should kill people who already have hard lives, if they're really better off dead. Be consistent.
XSC3 3 years ago
i have something to contribute to the world to and i wouldnt be able to do that if my life is destroyed through a forced pregnancy. lots of things deny life. contraception for instance. that doesnt make it wrong. there is no reason to exist if your life is ruined. i would rather be dead than have my rights taken away. give me liberty or give me death. it is not for you to define what makes life worthy to others.
leiapeison 3 years ago
Dear Lord please put love and understanding in the hearts of those reading this ..... help them understand what a horrible thing is happening with abortion... THERE just really is NO excuse for abortion... abortion stops a beating heart.... nothing else needs to be said... HOW hard is that to understand... ?
Abortion is an excuse to keep having unprotected sex... take responsibility for what you create in your life..... especially if it is a human for Pete's sake..
JustShirl8 3 years ago
Just:... take responsibility for what you create in your life..... especially if it is a human for Pete's sake.. Oh great! that means we can be irresponsible is its not a human life we created? And, abortion IS being responsible! Having kids you don't want ISN'T!
sueezee 3 years ago
Abortion is irresponsible. Someone created a life and now, for whatever reason they have decided to destroy it.
If they were truly responsible, they wouldn't have gone out and gotten pregnant in the first place, and if they did get pregnant they would raise the child (or give her to someone who could raise them, if they couldn't). THAT is responsibility, not resorting to violence and destruction to escape difficulties.
XSC3 3 years ago
xs: and if they did get pregnant they would raise the child (or give her to someone who could raise them, if they couldn't). THAT is responsibility Bull shit! having a child you don't want or even giving it up for adoption is irresponsible. Love the kids more than you hate abortion, xs!!
sueezee 3 years ago
sueezee, why is giving a child you can't care for up for adoption "irresponsible"?
I'd say it is the very definition of taking responsibility! Abortion on the other hand is just using violence to destroy a life. That's morally irresponsible. Of course I love the kids. I don't see how killing them is in their best interest. You'd rather they were aborted than adopted? What kind of insane reasoning is that?
XSC3 3 years ago
XS:Abortion on the other hand is just using violence to destroy a life. As opposed to having that life and caring less? Shall we talk about emotional violence & destroying lives?
XS:Of course I love the kids. No, you don't. My favorite prolife question: A baby will be born to die from starvation a month later(it happens EVERYday) Do you abort it or allow it to suffer for 30 days
sueezee 3 years ago
XS:You'd rather they were aborted than adopted? What kind of insane reasoning is that? Oh sure!! We LOVE putting kids in dog pound like environments where they are fed by government paid workers, & housed w/many like aninmals, as they sit & WAIT for someone to MAYBE pick them to love. Shall we NOW talk about reasoning? I thought you said you cared about the kids! You lied. You are pro-BIRTH...pro- first bearth....and thats where your concern ends!
sueezee 3 years ago
xs:You'd rather they were aborted than adopted? What kind of insane reasoning is that 250,000 kids up for adoption TODAY, 240,000 in foster care who could be put up for adoption soon & few will be adopted. Ending abortion could possibly put a MILLION kids up for adoption a yr...10 MILLION in 10 years. TEN MILLION THROWN AWAY KIDS. Can you even fathom that insanity? Did I ask hear YOU ask about My "reasoning"?
sueezee 3 years ago
how many children have you had and with how many Fathers? there is too much of that going on nowdays... women need to quite sleeping with every Tom, Dick and Harry ,..... that is the problem.... if you can't deal with getting pregnant.... use protection... and if you still get pregnant..... then deal with it... have the baby, give it up for adoption.... but DON'T KILL IT... GET REAL PEOPLE
JustShirl8 3 years ago
just:and if you still get pregnant..... then deal with it... Aborton IS dealing with it!
sueezee 3 years ago
Yeah, dealing with it in the worst way possible.
XSC3 3 years ago
XS:Yeah, dealing with it in the worst way possible I'm dealing with WHAT "in the worst way possible" and who are you to tell me my dealings are bad?
sueezee 3 years ago
Because I'm not an illogical relativist, sueezee, that's why. And if you can't tell a person they're wrong, then why are you telling me I'm wrong to oppose the practice of human abortions on moral grounds?
Sex is a gift, but it's not so important that you get to kill for it, sorry.
XSC3 3 years ago
xs: And if you can't tell a person they're wrong, then why are you telling me I'm wrong to oppose the practice of human abortions on moral grounds? Yes, when there is a right or wrong, I will tell you!
xs: why are you telling me I'm wrong to oppose the practice of human abortions on moral grounds? Because you have no right to deicde what a woman can do to her own body & fetus! If YOU aren't getting an abortion because of moral reasons...great, go for it!
sueezee 3 years ago
"Because you have no right to deicde what a woman can do to her own body & fetus! If YOU aren't getting an abortion because of moral reasons...great, go for it!"
On the contrary, we as a society can and do say that a woman can't do certain things with her body. She can't commit suicide. She can't streak. She can't abuse drugs. She can't prostitute herself. Maybe you disagree with all those things, but her rights are not infinite. Her child is a seperate life.
XSC3 3 years ago
XSwe as a society can and do say that a woman can't do certain things with her bodyShe can't commit suicide We are free to commit suicide anytime we want. It is NOT illegal. Christ, I thought maybe you were one of the smart ones. My mistake!
XS:She can't streak Thats NOT about her life. That effect those who see her.
xs:She can't abuse drugs YES! she can!!!
XS:She can't prostitute herself. That effetcs others. Dam if you have nothing better, why bother?
sueezee 3 years ago
XS:Her child is a seperate life. Irrelevant! The woman OWNS it. It is HERS to do with as SHE chooses. It is not YOURS to do with as YOU choose
sueezee 3 years ago
xs:why are you telling me I'm wrong to oppose the practice of human abortions on moral grounds? Because it cant & WON'T ever be done! You;re wrong to believe it will/could be. WRONG.
sueezee 3 years ago
suezee, I don't understand what you're saying.
I oppose Abortion on moral grounds. You said I'm wrong because it "can't & won't ever be done".
But I just did. I pointed out that killing people because they inconvenience you, or because they were conceived accidentally, or because they MIGHT have a hard life was inconsistent, as you wouldn't agree we should kill people who already have hard lives, and "rape babies" didn't do anything wrong, etc.
XSC3 3 years ago
I am sorry but there is NO grey area here..... life begins at conception.... aborton is killing.... even in the case of a rape,,,,,,, the rape is NOT the babies' fault... there are plenty of people that would like to adopt.... Abortion is just another form of holocaust......
JustShirl8 3 years ago
just:there are plenty of people that would like to adopt... Who is going to adopt the 10 MILLION..THATS TEN MILLION unwanted babies that wold be given up in the next 10 yrs, if women don't abort? Are yu frickin insane??????? Step out of your safe, little box and see whats going on "out there"!!
moron
sueezee 3 years ago
instead of getting pregnant , how about not sleeping with every moron that comes along...
moron!!!
JustShirl8 3 years ago
Just:instead of getting pregnant , how about not sleeping with every moron that comes along... Oh, I get it, so the only women aborting ar e the ones who sleep around. Did you get that idea from your mother...because most pople don't feel that way! Or, do you live a Disney World exsistance, with make believe wishes?
sueezee 3 years ago
if they were unwanted then you shouldent make them
nayes16 3 years ago
sueezee, that's faulty logic. Do you object to genocide?
Well then it's up to you to single handedly go around the globe and stop all the genocides happening yourself, because I'm going to sit on my hands and do nothing. And if you don't fix it yourself, then you're not REALLY against it!
See? That's a stupid, "frikkin' insane' argument you're making. I'm aware of the outside world, but apparently you don't see the fatal problems with relativism.
XSC3 3 years ago
xs:that's faulty logic Sorry dude, you will NOT find that in me!
xs:Do you object to genocide? The genoicde of whom & for what reason?
xs: Well then it's up to you to single handedly go around the globe and stop all the genocides happening yourself, because I'm going to sit on my hands and do nothing. And if you don't fix it yourself, then you're not REALLY against it! have NO idea what that was about!
xs:That's a stupid, frikkininsane argument youre making
which one?
sueezee 3 years ago
sueezee, deny it all you want, but you've yet to provide a single logically consistent argument in favor of abortion on demand.
So you believe some types of genocide are justified or morally permissible? I'm talking about the killing of an entire race or ethnic group of human beings. If you think it's okay, then no wonder you defend abortion. You're consistent, just morally depraved. :P
XSC3 3 years ago
xs:It's pure selfishness and twisted insane thinking that says a person is better off dead Are you now thinking for fetuses? Silly me, of course your're not, no one can do that! We have no idea what a rice sized embryo(when most abortion are performed) wants. In fact, If fetuses did have a right to live, one could make an equal case for the right of unwanted fetuses not to live. Right? OR...are is not about the fetus at all? is it actually about YOU & YOUR wants? of course it is!
sueezee 3 years ago
sueezee, yes, I'm thinking for fetuses. It's no different than thinking for children or thinking for slaves (who couldn't read or write and weren't allowed to speak in public). Any oppressed group needs to be represented. The size of a human has no bearing on their moral worth, that's what you don't seem to understand. Is a fat person worth more than a thin person? A child vs. an adult? Get real.
All fetuses have a moral right to live, wanted or unwanted.
XSC3 3 years ago
no one said rape was the baby's fault. but to force pregnancy upon an unconsenting women is more heinous than forcing sex upon her. women are not reproductive chattel. they own their wombs and they get to control how and when those wombs get used. no one can force someone to have a baby. to do so is to rape a woman of the control of her body. womens rights do come into play here whether prolifers want to admit it or not.
leiapeison 3 years ago
On the contrary, that presumes that pregnancy is evil. It's not. Rape is evil, pregnancy is not.
Is "enforcing pregnancy" evil? If it is, it's a lesser evil than "enforcing death" on the innocent unborn baby. You may "own your womb" but the child within it is your moral responsibility to PROTECT. It's a life, not a "punishment" or property like a pet or a coffee table to do with as you please.
XSC3 3 years ago
were not talking about pregnancy. were talking about FORCED pregnancy which is evil just as forced sex is a profound violation of a person. it is self defense to fight against sexual violation to any degree. being forced to be pregnant is the worst volation. it is not my job to protect others life if it endangers my own welfare. pregnancy is inherantly risky. no one can use my womb without my consent including a fetus. i am an autonomous self a fetus is not.
leiapeison 3 years ago
How many babies have YOU KILLED?
JustShirl8 3 years ago
If you beleive anyone on this forum has ,killed babies than please turn them into the police or stop accusing people of killing babies.
SabrinaSilverstien 3 years ago 2
what do you think abortion is besides KILLING BABIES........ DUH!!!
JustShirl8 3 years ago
Abortion is the destruction of a (zygote, birth control pills, morning after pill). (The destruction of a blastions or embreyo, early stage fetus, Vaccuum and scraping.)(The destruction of a later stage fetus, prostogladen, D&E, saline solution.) Killing babies is illegal, so if someone is killing babies than call the police. They will arrest them, put them in jail for murder, they will be on the News extra.
SabrinaSilverstien 3 years ago
just:what do you think abortion is besides KILLING BABIES If its killing "babies", why is there no funeral???
sueezee 3 years ago
are you ever going to answer this question???
If its killing "babies", why is there no funeral??? Or do you realze you are wrong & will run away w/o answering.
sueezee 3 years ago
sueezee, there were no funerals for the Jews either.
A funeral is just a tradition. In some cultures they don't have funerals, but they still have rules against murder. I'm talking a moral distinction, not a legal one, since laws don't make somehting moral or immoral. I'm not a relativist. And if you are, your position is absurd and you can't tell anyone else what to do either. So we can ban abortion and you have to just suck it up, right? ;)
XSC3 3 years ago
XS:, but they still have rules against murder. I'm talking a moral distinction, not a legal one According to whose moral code? Yours? Mine? Thats the reason there are laws against murder instead of a moral code againt murder. You cant legislate morals.
XS:you can't tell anyone else what to do either Show me where I have EVER done that.
sueezee 3 years ago
xs:A funeral is just a tradition. how ignorant is that comment! yes, it is, but regardless, I think you got the gist of what I was trying to get across!!
sueezee 3 years ago
sueezee, my point is that it's useless to say "well abortion must be okay because we don't give funerals to fetuses!"
If we gave funerals to fetuses, would that suddenly mean abortion should be illegal? You'd obviously disagree, because it's legal to kill pets, and some people give their pets funerals, yet they're not "persons" under the law. But fetuses are humans, not property or pets, so the laws are unjust and inconsistent.
XSC3 3 years ago
"We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with
social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most
successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."
-- Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood, December 19, 1939
TheCocaColaSanta 3 years ago
"We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with
social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most
successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."
-- Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood, December 19, 1939
TheCocaColaSanta 3 years ago
No, No, N0....
Choctawu 3 years ago
As a Catholic, I'm against abortion. However, in one point of view, it depends between two people. To me, if a woman gets pregnant and does not want the baby, but the man does, for me, I think if the woman should go through the pregnancy and give the father custody to the child if the woman does not want the baby at all. But if the mother wants the baby, and the father does not, that would be the mother's decision.
PforPZ 3 years ago
Pf:think if the woman should go through the pregnancy and give the father custody have babies FOR men? Are you kidding?
sueezee 3 years ago
Well, if I gotten a woman pregnant, I want to care of my own child if the mother does not want any custody whatsoever.
PforPZ 3 years ago
Pf:Well, if I gotten a woman pregnant, I want to care of my own child if the mother does not want any custody whatsoever. WHy are you impregnting women if you don't KNOW she wants your child as much as YOU do? Thats part of the reason there is abortion....men who don't think! Keep your pants on until you find a woman to have a family WITH, not to have a family for you.
sueezee 3 years ago
Hey, if she does not want the child, she just can give the child to me because I don't want that kind of responsibility slip through my hands.
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13412rx 3 years ago
This is so foolish. Let me ask you a question since you are African American. When the abomination of slavery was legal, if a husband wanted to buy slaves, but the wife didn't, did they buy a slave? What?!?! Abortion is wicked and an abomination just like slavery. We shouldn't allow and justify a person's "choice" to commit an abomination. The modern abortion/planned parenthood genocide was started by Margret Sanger to kill black children primarily. Look it up. Abortion is now as slavery was!
thepoetical 3 years ago
I think the father should have as much to say about this just as well as the mother.
Astrid270718 3 years ago
I'll answer your second question with one of my own: who has to carry the fetus around for nine months? Who has to give birth? The mother.
Who has to worry about prenatal care, postnatal care, getting and keeping a job in this economy, providing for the child when or if it's born? More often than not, it's the mother. Until or unless the father is prepared to assume responsibility for his child, he's got no leg to stand on.
MichaelKwiatkowski 3 years ago
Couldent have said it better myself. If a man has the right to know and wants the child, then he needs to support the woman completely during the pregnancy. He must take and suppoort the child from the moment it is born. Ultimately all of these decisions are a private matter. Made by the woman no matter what laws are made. She decides who she will tell. Any discussion of changing that is always linked to a desperate GOP.
rastapeacetheater 3 years ago
<<< Continued.
I think that there should not be a life long sense of gestapo, guilt, anger, or frustration on the part of the man, when a woman decides for life and the government or woman pursues him for financial support. If a man had only the choice of intercourse and used protection and it failed or was duped then he should be legally able to opt-out even when DNA proves paternity is positive id.
JSMTECH 3 years ago
If the dady can opt out then every taxpayer is forced to opt in, by paying for welfare/food stamps/section 8 simply because the daddy doesn't want to pay child support.
afrochick1 3 years ago
I think that a woman should always have the final choice on her own body no matter what a man may feel. However, I do believe that at the same time if a woman decides to keep a child out of wedlock then there should be some way for the man to acknowledge at the pregnancy his feelings on the choice of life versus abortion. Example, if a man dates a woman and they use protection and it fails or if the woman is on birth control and it fails then when a woman decides to keep it then a man >>>
JSMTECH 3 years ago
The woman's choice trumps the man's! It's her body and she's the one who will have to carry the baby. Rather she laid down or was raped, it's still her body.
No, I don't feel that women should need the father's signature to get an abortion. The father has no obligations until the baby is born, her obligations start day one.
J.
2sweet2classy23 3 years ago
Well said!
fairystar26 3 years ago
Woman's choice hands down. He can get mad and bounce. He's not guaranteed going to be there....so woman's choice. But if u r in a serious relationship its wrong for the woman to take that upon herself w/o her man's agreement....but like I said he could bounce so...
chokletdream 3 years ago
Its the woman's body, she can do what she wants with it. Men have no say over my body weather I want to keep it or not.
If the man really wants to have the baby he needs to sign a legal contract stating that he will take care of it and pay for the entire preganncy including sick time and hospital bills.
fairystar26 3 years ago
she did not ask for all that when she got in the bed. be for real.
ljsavmech 3 years ago