@casualfrenzy some insurace companys pay for them or if its hurting your job you job insurance may or goto a doctor and have your doctor send you wich would make it a medical issue and your insurance will cover
@casualfrenzy you do not need them trust me...Let me ask why for every Musculoskeletal disorder the chiropractors do the same technique???Let me answer...because they not really know what else to do....There are plenty of technique which are more effective and certain much more safe.I am not advertising enythinh whats why i dont name them.Be careful peaple open your mind...we are in 2011.
@toddanderson2008 I think they are, at least I know Blue Cross Blue Shield covers my Chiro care for my back 90%, I pay like a 12$ copay. I know a bunch of other ones do too, but you might need a referal or something
I was in great pain for the past six months. I started seeking care from my medical doctor and going to a chiro. The medical doctor was helpful in diagnosing I had a herniated disc but then I received a phone call saying "do you want an injection or surgery?". In the meantime, the chiro visits were allowing more relief from the pain than I had felt and I was excited to have a less costly or invasive procedure that gave me weekly results. I would encourage people to see for themselves.
@mliebich85 Your suntax is somewhat confusing. Can you explain specifically how the article that I have provided (along with quote from author, who is a chiro) "is fitting to exactly what you were complaining about earlier; a lack of evidence"? It is not intended as "evidence" of anything but rather, is offered as a commentary from within your profession, that the basic premise of chiro, namely, "subluxation", is bogus.
@mliebich85 It is not the pubic or the audience at hand that is burdened with proving that what you are saying is false, but it is most surely your profession that is obligated to provide the evidence for the claims it makes. You sound to me like a very young, naive person who has been indoctrinated by the bs promoted by the local chiro college. It is sad that you will face an enormous student loan debt and have nothing but spinal manips in your future for a very long time.
@mliebich85 If you wish not to entertain or humour the argument, then why do so? You have already said this once and yet here you are repeating yourself. I am not Googling random crap, as you say, but even if I were, so what? This issue is in the lack of evidence that the chiro profession has at its disposal to support any claims made, and more importantly, its lack of interest in conducting high quality research.
@mliebich85 The chiropractic profession has an obligation to actively divorce itself from metaphysical explanations of health and disease as well as to actively regulate itself in refusing to tolerate fraud, abuse and quackery, which are more rampant in chiropractic than in other healthcare professions (Foreman SM Stahl MJ: Chiropractors disciplined by state chiropractic board and a comparison with disciplined medical physicians. J Manipulative Physiol Ther 2004, 27(7):472-476).
@mliebich85 The only thing that has been asked of you is to provide the evidence for the effectiveness of the claims that are made by the chiro profession. Had you simply focussed on that, we could debate the lack of that evidence. Instead, you avoid this topic altogether and refer to "wellness care", without explaining what that means. No one argues against prevention. Everyone hates dishonesty.
@mliebich85 Tell me about this idea of "maintaining a healthy nerve supply to every cell, tissue and organ". How do you accomplish this whith spinal manipulation? Have ever provided a reasonable scientific explanation to explain this claim? Is this what you refer to as "vitalism"? There has NEVER been a single sentence from legitimate sources that support this. Perhaps you mean FAITH HEALING?
@mliebich85 There is nothing wrong with health promotion. Where the problem lies is in the claims that chiros make that this "wellness care" is effective in the treatment of conditons when no evidenc eexists, nor any effort to do the research. How about when your kid is diagnosed with leukemia...are you going to provide him with wellness care and not let him see an oncologist? What the heck is "wellness care"?
@mliebich85 And just to finish on your point of why you would tell me to somehow survey hospital patients....as if this would legitimize chiro???? Wow, fuzzy logic must be a course they teach you as well! OK, so, I guess you include the parents of the preemies who take home an infant as opposed to parents whose child died for lack of modern medical intervention? Sure, you've saved how many lives? QUACKERY!
@mliebich85 If you can humour me for a sec. Your previous comment is a bit confusing, but it does seem to demonstrate that you are willing to mix apples and camels to prove your point. Your "challenge" to survey "patients" of their "health status" does not rule out that they might have done many things outside of your control. How can you attribute that to your treatment? (See why I asked you if you had ever taken a research methods course?).
@mliebich85 When you claim that "life is not about large population studies", what purpose are large population studies if not to show whether something works or does not work? How else can one rule in or out confounding variables? Have you EVER taken a course in statistics? How about research methodology? My dog lady (let me assume), are you serious? But, the point is, why is it that other professions like PT have conducted research and now adopt "evidence-based practice"?
@mliebich85 I wonder if you can wrap a little bit of context around your statement, "..you obviously don't know about the importance of the nervous system in the fact that it controls everything in your entire body"? How do you know how much I know about the nervous system for you to make that statement? You assume what, that I couldn't possible know more than you do? Attributing the nervous system to physiological processes is hardly a unique conclusion, is it? D'uh.
@mliebich85 Mirtz et al, Chiropractic & Osteopathy 2009, 17:13. There is a significant lack of evidence in the literature to fulfill Hills criteria of causation as regards chiropractic subluxation. No supportive evidence is found for the chiropractic subluxation being associated with any disease process or of creating suboptimal health conditions requiring intervention. Regardless of popular appeal this leaves the subluxation construct in the realm of unsupported speculation.
@mliebich85 : First off, case studies mean absolutely NOTHING in epidemiology, and if you are claiming to be a health professional, you should know this. Second, the findings that you refer to, out of Uof Illinois, do you know how large that study was? How can you claim that ONE STUDY using 25 subjects is conclusive of anything? Are you an idiot? What kind of education do you have? Try taking a stats course and doing some good research before you jump on the band wagon!.
The funny thing is that using critical thinking skills is frowned upon by these snake-oil salesmen. They prey on the gullible, uneducated public who don't ask the hard questions (evidence?). Health care is a lifestyle choice and people should need to consult with a chiro, paying big bucks, to be told what they should already be doing. And this scientific fantasy-land of "subluxation" and "vitalism", is reflective of a profession without grounding in the 21st Century.
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Sounds like he's taken it up the ass so much that his "spinal curvature" has been seriously interrupted, so much so that his voice sounds like a high pitched pansie.
VOICE
alzym1 8 months ago
@casualfrenzy some insurace companys pay for them or if its hurting your job you job insurance may or goto a doctor and have your doctor send you wich would make it a medical issue and your insurance will cover
jgmtiger 8 months ago
@casualfrenzy you do not need them trust me...Let me ask why for every Musculoskeletal disorder the chiropractors do the same technique???Let me answer...because they not really know what else to do....There are plenty of technique which are more effective and certain much more safe.I am not advertising enythinh whats why i dont name them.Be careful peaple open your mind...we are in 2011.
Greating from a physiotherapist in Greece...!
antramelex 9 months ago
....."and as you can see i put my hands right to her boobs and now you know what my job is about.."
dasidiotos 10 months ago 5
@casualfrenzy wish they were covered by most insurances
toddanderson2008 11 months ago
@toddanderson2008 I think they are, at least I know Blue Cross Blue Shield covers my Chiro care for my back 90%, I pay like a 12$ copay. I know a bunch of other ones do too, but you might need a referal or something
thesymphoniclife 9 months ago
she looks bored and if she is zoning out. but the patient looks fine.
knight398 1 year ago
I was in great pain for the past six months. I started seeking care from my medical doctor and going to a chiro. The medical doctor was helpful in diagnosing I had a herniated disc but then I received a phone call saying "do you want an injection or surgery?". In the meantime, the chiro visits were allowing more relief from the pain than I had felt and I was excited to have a less costly or invasive procedure that gave me weekly results. I would encourage people to see for themselves.
clemgineer 1 year ago
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What does a chiropractor do ??
Short Answer = Nothing
phileustace 1 year ago
@phileustace explain
WildBillHickums 1 year ago
Please don't post a comment if your a homophobic redneck with an IQ below 80, thanks : )
Goatoftheforest 1 year ago 5
@mliebich85 Your suntax is somewhat confusing. Can you explain specifically how the article that I have provided (along with quote from author, who is a chiro) "is fitting to exactly what you were complaining about earlier; a lack of evidence"? It is not intended as "evidence" of anything but rather, is offered as a commentary from within your profession, that the basic premise of chiro, namely, "subluxation", is bogus.
ospreylookout 1 year ago
@ospreylookout Excuse me, "syntax". Please pardon the typo in my first sentence.
ospreylookout 1 year ago
@mliebich85 It is not the pubic or the audience at hand that is burdened with proving that what you are saying is false, but it is most surely your profession that is obligated to provide the evidence for the claims it makes. You sound to me like a very young, naive person who has been indoctrinated by the bs promoted by the local chiro college. It is sad that you will face an enormous student loan debt and have nothing but spinal manips in your future for a very long time.
ospreylookout 1 year ago
@mliebich85 If you wish not to entertain or humour the argument, then why do so? You have already said this once and yet here you are repeating yourself. I am not Googling random crap, as you say, but even if I were, so what? This issue is in the lack of evidence that the chiro profession has at its disposal to support any claims made, and more importantly, its lack of interest in conducting high quality research.
ospreylookout 1 year ago
@mliebich85 The chiropractic profession has an obligation to actively divorce itself from metaphysical explanations of health and disease as well as to actively regulate itself in refusing to tolerate fraud, abuse and quackery, which are more rampant in chiropractic than in other healthcare professions (Foreman SM Stahl MJ: Chiropractors disciplined by state chiropractic board and a comparison with disciplined medical physicians. J Manipulative Physiol Ther 2004, 27(7):472-476).
ospreylookout 1 year ago
@mliebich85 The only thing that has been asked of you is to provide the evidence for the effectiveness of the claims that are made by the chiro profession. Had you simply focussed on that, we could debate the lack of that evidence. Instead, you avoid this topic altogether and refer to "wellness care", without explaining what that means. No one argues against prevention. Everyone hates dishonesty.
ospreylookout 1 year ago
@mliebich85 Tell me about this idea of "maintaining a healthy nerve supply to every cell, tissue and organ". How do you accomplish this whith spinal manipulation? Have ever provided a reasonable scientific explanation to explain this claim? Is this what you refer to as "vitalism"? There has NEVER been a single sentence from legitimate sources that support this. Perhaps you mean FAITH HEALING?
ospreylookout 1 year ago
@mliebich85 There is nothing wrong with health promotion. Where the problem lies is in the claims that chiros make that this "wellness care" is effective in the treatment of conditons when no evidenc eexists, nor any effort to do the research. How about when your kid is diagnosed with leukemia...are you going to provide him with wellness care and not let him see an oncologist? What the heck is "wellness care"?
ospreylookout 1 year ago
@mliebich85 And just to finish on your point of why you would tell me to somehow survey hospital patients....as if this would legitimize chiro???? Wow, fuzzy logic must be a course they teach you as well! OK, so, I guess you include the parents of the preemies who take home an infant as opposed to parents whose child died for lack of modern medical intervention? Sure, you've saved how many lives? QUACKERY!
ospreylookout 1 year ago
@mliebich85 If you can humour me for a sec. Your previous comment is a bit confusing, but it does seem to demonstrate that you are willing to mix apples and camels to prove your point. Your "challenge" to survey "patients" of their "health status" does not rule out that they might have done many things outside of your control. How can you attribute that to your treatment? (See why I asked you if you had ever taken a research methods course?).
ospreylookout 1 year ago
@mliebich85 When you claim that "life is not about large population studies", what purpose are large population studies if not to show whether something works or does not work? How else can one rule in or out confounding variables? Have you EVER taken a course in statistics? How about research methodology? My dog lady (let me assume), are you serious? But, the point is, why is it that other professions like PT have conducted research and now adopt "evidence-based practice"?
ospreylookout 1 year ago
@mliebich85 I wonder if you can wrap a little bit of context around your statement, "..you obviously don't know about the importance of the nervous system in the fact that it controls everything in your entire body"? How do you know how much I know about the nervous system for you to make that statement? You assume what, that I couldn't possible know more than you do? Attributing the nervous system to physiological processes is hardly a unique conclusion, is it? D'uh.
ospreylookout 1 year ago
@mliebich85 Mirtz et al, Chiropractic & Osteopathy 2009, 17:13. There is a significant lack of evidence in the literature to fulfill Hills criteria of causation as regards chiropractic subluxation. No supportive evidence is found for the chiropractic subluxation being associated with any disease process or of creating suboptimal health conditions requiring intervention. Regardless of popular appeal this leaves the subluxation construct in the realm of unsupported speculation.
ospreylookout 1 year ago
@mliebich85 : First off, case studies mean absolutely NOTHING in epidemiology, and if you are claiming to be a health professional, you should know this. Second, the findings that you refer to, out of Uof Illinois, do you know how large that study was? How can you claim that ONE STUDY using 25 subjects is conclusive of anything? Are you an idiot? What kind of education do you have? Try taking a stats course and doing some good research before you jump on the band wagon!.
ospreylookout 1 year ago
Try it.
It works.
TerrySleeper 1 year ago
The funny thing is that using critical thinking skills is frowned upon by these snake-oil salesmen. They prey on the gullible, uneducated public who don't ask the hard questions (evidence?). Health care is a lifestyle choice and people should need to consult with a chiro, paying big bucks, to be told what they should already be doing. And this scientific fantasy-land of "subluxation" and "vitalism", is reflective of a profession without grounding in the 21st Century.
ospreylookout 1 year ago
he's looking for heat, LOL- try her gash!!
davseb222 2 years ago
Ha ha thats right Phil !!
sebbbo77 2 years ago
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Sounds like he's taken it up the ass so much that his "spinal curvature" has been seriously interrupted, so much so that his voice sounds like a high pitched pansie.
phileustace 2 years ago
he sounds like a gash.
chillipeanuts 2 years ago
you people need to shut up about his voice jesus
Wesley296 2 years ago 23
they're all free in chiropractic school!
ashort84 2 years ago
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gay literally
kobudnik 3 years ago
he does sound like a girl
robinbmx93 2 years ago 3