Singapore's sexual revolution - 25 Nov 07

[v3xPaperJam]

Homosexuality is the most retarded thing ever ! I hope homosexuality dies in a fire ! Retarded noobs.

[ZzdeathangelzZ]

@v3xPaperJam Well you're opinions are retarded

[slaiyfershin]

Stupid bitch. Even with her academical background her statements are biased and flawed. The repeal of 377A is not trying to make both MORALLY equivalent but LEGALLY equivalent. So fucking obvious you're just a bigot.

[melayumoden]

if gay is natural, then why did God create women? Gay can't reproduce, cannot bring a sense stability to 'children' as both are the same...if u want to be gay,be gay but don't expect everyone to say its ok..its their right, too to denounce the acts of gay.

[gacktooo]

Homosexuality is a choice! fucking idiot! how come 50 years ago there were no gays or lesbians?

[Zafuer2311]

@gacktooo In response to your comment, there were actually gays and lesbians 50 years ago. In fact, there were already homosexuals more than 1000 years ago in Ancient China.They were just afraid of speaking out.

As a country progresses and mindsets change, causing people to be more accepting of homosexuality, the homosexuals and bisexuals are more open/dare to pursue their alternative lifestyle. The choice to pursue a same gender lifestyle exists, but the sexual preference choice doesn't.

[montfortCL]

i just pray for gays they dont get aids

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[MsEspeciallyMe]

They can get 'help'? WTF. Homosexual people aren't sick. Also, I don't see it as crossing the line for gay people to want to have the same rights as heterosexual people. We thought it was 'crossing the line' for black, asian etc people to want to have equivalent rights as white people a hundred years ago. I suppose it will only take time for Singaporeans to come to terms with the fact that gay people deserve and are entitled to rights as much as the next heterosexual person.

[MsEspeciallyMe]

@mushroomtung How eloquent.

[AirCalv]

homo sucks lesbian is ok

[Iceyology]

@AirCalv

nice said! love lesbian...

[joejoe86]

the heteronormativity of society is basically a social construct by the hegemonic forces of society. it is all one's choice whether to become homosexual or not. Everything in this world is not all binary, please. They want to assert their identity, just like a minority race who wants to assert theirs. what's the wrong? people can think for themselves on what choices they want right? or are we not? comparable to idiocy?

[ayeosq]

Faggots..

[killbill402]

Why don't they arrest gay people when they can? A nation like this who tries to keep moral up is something to be proud of, unlike american goverment who does nothing when the morals are getting worse.

[plshaveaniceday]

lol wtf are u talking about.

[ma98h]

@killbill402 . lol when exactly was america ever moral? slavery, wars, war, war, capital punishment, torture. get a fucking clue.

[LKUElephant]

Is it not also bigotry to threaten those who disagree with you with violence, especially when those threats were not reciprocated?

[Limewan]

its like Dr Thio is talking about women's rights.

[plshaveaniceday]

she got no hope already la. Quite a sad case. LOL

[jiaqinh]

Dr Thio is an idiot. Sorry but this is the truth.

[plshaveaniceday]

Its funny how that women says that she knows for a fact that people could change their sexual orientation. I am a homosexual and theres nothing that can be done to change my sexuality. I am who i am, why does she want me to change me.

[BattleAngel]

well it is a fact. people have "changed" there are numerous cases of it around the world. At the end of the day "homesexual" and "heterosexual" are just terms reflecting a social construct not real biological facts. at the end of the day anyone can sleep with who they want. we all human beings and we are all free to choose. human behaviour is fluid and you can't stifle it by just declaring your one social construct over the other.

[bugsy101073]

please lah, people do change.believe me, i know some friends in the east coast area who were once gay but become happy married men. the sight of kids change them. i believe we should not equate family with homos. i believe u can still change. have a nicer day with a lady...i now u will

[plshaveaniceday]

Put yourself in shoes of a homosexual, would u marry some1 of the gender u wouldn't prefer? If living life is to fulfil my social obligations and to please the majority then i rather not live this meaningless life. i can marry a woman and have kids but ill never be who i truely am, i will be miserable.

[bugsy101073]

it depends if you believe in God or divine providence. Marriage is really not a choice for you and your partner...it is also a blessing from God. Misery is really what you make out of it.....Happiness is simply reacting positively into it.....but i still believe you can change...have a nice day with a lady :)

[plshaveaniceday]

coz its easy for u to say :) u have it easy. i dont

[bugsy101073]

i just hope and pray that u'll have it easier later in life...i'll pray that u'll do....have a nice journey in life ....with a lady

[plshaveaniceday]

yawnn.. i dont need it :)

[Reizken]

I would say that this Documentary does not do justice to enforce what homosexuals here are currently trying to portray when they ask for equal treatment... But rather its very one-sided arguement that does not paint the reasons well enough for such discrimination... Thus, ther should be a place where both sides are able to share their views and beliefs... It's obvious though that there will always be that gap between hetero and homo =[ sad..

[mbleek2001]

the homos will not stop saying we are persecuted and mistreated until the whole world becomes gay. Today they mastered the victim stick and trying to take our rights as a heterosexuals. I do not understand when they compare the issue of race and how blacks where mistreated as an argument. your own mom and dad disagree even though they except you as gays. Gays always existed in the history of the world, but when they try to spread on us by force then its a war. call me primitive.

[xromeo13x]

AGREED!!!!

[xromeo13x]

burn all gays!!! and throw that doctor in too....

[GrIMEvILL]

gays or no gays... i don't care... it doesnt even make a difference if the laws change... im just going to marry a woman and no gay touches me.. thats all..

[picopallasi]

The government has no place deciding the morals of others. It seems to Singaporeans that democracy is a simple matter of mob rule - consisting of people who feel they are morally superior.

"people can change [their sexuality]" - Dr. Thio Lian. You're really a doctor? QUACK.

[plshaveaniceday]

lol. Doctors themselves dont even know that people could change their sexuality. That Dr Thio lan is acting like she knows it all, imposing assumptions for her own cause. How sad :(

[sylifer]

the title Dr. can refer to a doctorate holder. the government does not wish to decide the morals of others; both homosexuals and heterosexuals are important much to the Singapore government. you have to understand that the fabric of society fulcrums itself on the fragile racial and religious harmony amongst Singapore's citizens, and with most religions against homosexuality, the government is in a tight spot for partiality to either side of the issue will result in disastrous consequences.

[picopallasi]

Yeah, we wouldn't want people to have liberty or anything. Best to have the government decide morals.

[plshaveaniceday]

being homosexual = wrongdoers?

lol thats easy for you to say coz you're not gay.

If being gay is a sin, then i am a born sinner ;)

[vartonise]

because the bible told you so right??? haha you know in america there are gay bishop exist? it's in documentary. watch Because The Bible Tells Me So

[quiflipside]

hahaha

most singaporean are not christian there buddhist

[quiflipside]

o yeah and america sucks

[bloodninja5]

who is gonna judge us?

[GHEEPHUA]

The woman who proposed the idea of a person possibly able in changing his sexuality is Thio Li Ann. She appeared to be very understanding and compassionate in this video. However, when you watch her deliver her parliamentary speech against repealing the Singapore sodomy law, 337A, albeit with much passion, she comes across with so much hateful rhetoric and illogical associations. It is more astounding and shameful that no one in the Singapore parliament has contested her bigoted polemics.

[ksleejerry]

I agree with Kian Yen.

Christian or christian-haters (Monkeypoocatapult); straight or gay, homo or hetero or bi-sexual.... stop the fight. You all are human. accept the difference man.......I am no gay but have got good friends that live "alternative lifestyle". Lets not condemn one another.....

[shanebrain]

@ksleejerry it doesnt work like that.The whole point of it was bcoz of religious rights.it has NEVER been accepted throughout religion.its like saying we need to accept rapists and murderers. we are human..yes and we accept them as human beings but we dont accept their culture and flaunting of their homosexuality because its not accepted in Gods eyes.as there are many things not accepted in Gods eyes but this is one of them.it does not mean God does not love homosexuals but he hates their ways

[ETHTAN]

It does not matter what you think - the reality is that from a biological point , homo and hetero are technically different. Science simply says they are not the same.

So why would some say they are the same? Do they hear rejection? Guilt? Recognition that they are the odd one out, one in the small minority?

Calling other names simply verify the deep insecurity that you pretend does not exist.

[rowie190282]

IS THIO LI_ANN one of those who had changed?

That explains why she's such a tight ass!!!

[fairalbion69]

i refuse to believe that christians make up 15% of the population. the census was done in the nineties and it only counted those who were born as christians (of any demonination). it does not count all the evangelical converts, coincidentially the most extreme homophobics. singaporean christians should remember that this is not a religious theocracy and we dont want to sink to the depths of american conservatism.

[dipticheerath]

Why is Sex the only thing Al-jazeera reports about Sinagpore??

:S:S

[Monkeypoocatapult]

FUCK ALL CHRISTIANS

[JanelXD]

why not think of it this way.

one christian who condemns homosexuality does not mean that the entire christian population and community does the same thing.

i am a christian, and i believe in giving everyone their space and choice to live their lifestyles.

[plshaveaniceday]

yea i agree. People like to choose and pick what to believe in the bible. For example, the bible is intrinsically sexist and explains that men is dominant over women. Yet that view was not taken into consideration yet anti-homos use the bible as the reason to go against homosexuals.. hmm

[Monkeypoocatapult]

Christians are the cause of all this hate in Singapore

[iamsilky]

oh really??? I'm singaporean and i dun noe this

[serenus58]

Long live 377a! I want school principals to be able to fire fag teachers without having to face "anti-discrimination" bullshit!

[joodrew]

Singaporeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[kianyen]

this mud slinging campaign has to stop right here and now. this is making the whole debate meaningless. AND I DON'T GIVE A DAMN WHO STARTED IT. why can't we accept each other as a unique human being,straight or gay.

[uberrokk]

thio lan, ur such an ugly old hag. Homosexuality IS equal to heterosexuality.

[caledfwlch]

Thank goodness for 377A

[Koutetsu]

No free man should be forced to endorse, subsidize, approve, or affirm the morality of another man's beliefs, be they either pro or anti gay.

[Koutetsu]

This is leftist black propaganda designed to misrepresent and vilify the rightists. This is not a "religious right" obstruction.

As far as the evil right-wing is concerned the government should have no authority to even collect data on the sexual preferences of individuals. We also support the repeal of all laws regarding sexual acts between consenting adults, with a responsible age of consent defined. Marriage customs should be defined by private citizen with equal protection under the law.

[lovechild6969]

There are SOOO many ignorant Singaporeans. Must be the social system.... citizens who are small minded and stupid!

[freshyip]

i guess i'm not the only one who's ignorant then

[lovechild6969]

Thio is a right wing Christian fucking bitch. Don't shove your fucking Christian values down me throat mother fucking bitch! If homos can change let's than see you become a lesbian...Let's see if you can change and become one.

[bellybuttonboy89]

burn them all.

[freshyip]

homosexuals/lesbians are a plague and a distruction to human population, would YOU want your kids to be homo or lesbians? think again before you speak.

[xromeo13x]

AGREED!!!

[314noceu]

You are an abomination. Homosexuality is completely natural, it's exhibited by dozens of species in nature. To call any fellow human beings a "plague" is to align yourself with mass murderers like Adolf Hitler. You should be ashamed of yourself - and also realise that the most homophobic people are usually hiding from their own homosexuality, you KIASU fucking bastard.

[freshyip]

yeah..so i guess you do want your children to be homos huh..cool cool....

[314noceu]

My children can be whatever they want to be. You on the other hand, will FORCE your children to be what you want them to be. This is not the way to happiness. You are an evil man.

[freshyip]

i'm evil, but at least i get shit done straight and sound.

[lovechild6969]

freshyip...you sure get shit done...straight and sound. Shits the key word. Go fuck and make some gay babies!!

[freshyip]

OK you win faggot

[lovechild6969]

I'm married with 2 beautiful kids... my best friends are faggots. What's your point yellow skin? EVERYTIME u fuck and wanna make babies... U WILL REMEMBER THAT YOU WILL HAVE MORE THAN ONE GAY/ LESBIAN/ TRANSGENDER KID IN YOUR FAMILY!

[freshyip]

FOR HEAVENS SAKES PLEASE STOP HARASSING ME OMGGGGGGGGG FUCK IT YOU LOVE FAGGOTS FINE, WHY DO YOU HATE ON ME FOR DISLIKING FAGGOTS??? please stop.

[h4z]

Gays are okay people, I've met gays that are just the nicest people you'll ever meet.

BUT...sticking your cock in a dudes ass is so wrong.

[lovechild6969]

You are the plague...you fucking chink! Let's roast you like a yellow roasted pig!

[freshyip]

why you have so much shit to talk to defend homos? woo..you a homo? if so, then quit being a fucking fag you idiot.

[lovechild6969]

freshyip...watch what you say...Your kids or grand kida might just turn out GAY or Lesbian. After all, all gay and lesbian people have straight hetro parents. I hope you get GAY kids or grand kids!!!

[freshyip]

if they do, i'll be sure to tell them to haunt you and your entire family.

[sfriendshipz]

it was those christain ppl who brought in Christianity into singapore, if not we are just fine with being a state who most of them are Buddhist. those ppl with their imaginary friend and hatred... haiz

[qaforbbm]

ok what was that lady doctor talking about? "if they want to change they can get help?" homosexuality is not a choice! get that thru ur thick-headed skull!!

[Zeroshenmegaman]

@qaforbbm

That's not a doctor btw, she's a nominated Minister of Parliament.

[doobiesmoke15]

I would never set foot in that horrible country

[gssq]

Try being born there. Hurr hurr

[paulone1234567]

i live here for almost 2 years and the discrimination of homosexuals is only one of many examples how the government wipes its a** with paper saying: "Human Rights" ........... (I hope i wont be arrested for saying that)

[doobiesmoke15]

I would never want to visit that horrible place!

[gssq]

I think this is from 2007, not 2005

[junkion]

Singapore is quite liberal to gays on a social basis, I am "tolerant" of it, but likewise you should respect my opinion that I will never "accept" gays as natural regardless of what the law states. And I don't think the law should reflect that being gay is "ok" as an indicator of this, you must understand that whatever policies the government has is done from the standpoint of the majority of the population.

[CurtainRod]

we want to decriminalize the law, not make the law say it is "natural". i don't see how DECRIMINALIZING m2m sex would harm you in any way. you can still hold your view. but when you criminalize something you are infringing on their rights. if everything was done from the standpoint of the majority then minorities would continually be discriminated against.

[keto1979]

Well, jus within the last 50 year,it was illegal to have whites&blacks share the same bus, schools isnt it?Although the law has changed, it doesnt mean there is no racial descrimination. But we cant say, 'I respect the fact that majority feels disgusted to share with a particular minority and and therefore, the law should not change' can we?

[keto1979]

becos, CHANGING the law was the RIGHT thing to do. Likewise, you cant say becos majority feels disgusted with gays and therefore the law shd outlaw them. Pls think rationally!

Compassion

[TAMARLANE]

I'm glad that heterosexuals don't need as much attention, public attention, as gays do. I'm glad there are topics heteros can engage in that do not include their sexuality. Homosexuals seem to be very high maintenance people indeed. Hey, look at me, I'm gay. Hey, don't hate me, I'm gay. Don't discriminate against me, I'm gay. I'm gay I'm gay I'm gay.

[AbuCihan]

Good to know you're gay, Timur . . .

[TAMARLANE]

Yeah, throw me off the 4th floor.

It didn't actually hit me until I was 70, and like a childhood friend, I was kicked in the temple by a horse. When I woke up, I was gay.

[lershahid]

Christian Singaporeans are minority, but a powerful group. Even with a numerically dominant Buddhist population, who are indifferent (tolerant) of homosexuality, can't the government amend the repressive/unjust law against homosexuals.

[Bm0h]

homosexuality in Buddhism is considered a sexual perversion as well.

[lershahid]

Wrong. There's no concept of sexual pervasion in Buddhism. Buddhism teaches us that any form of sexual activity/indulgence/desire will delay our enlightenment.

[keto1979]

Oh really? Are you, like the female MP, an outsider, a Christian commenting on Buddhism? Show me which sutra tell you this? The Buddha tells us the bad karma of promiscuty, of sexual attachment being a hindrance for Enlightenment, never have I heard about his teachings on homosexuality as a perversion.

And yes, I am Buddhist, if you must know

[TAMARLANE]

No sutra required to explain the horrors of homosexuality.

It should be obvious to everyone, not just Buddhists, that homosexuality is a bad path, fraught with bad "wa".

[keto1979]

whats 'Wa'? its neither Japanese nor Chinese. Does it stand for your deluded mind?

[keto1979]

I wont go as far as to say they are powerful. Do not possess supernatural powers? Economically wise, its the majority middle class chinese buddhist family who holds the key AND the votes. The government is not amending becos it comparing 1 minority with other minorities - Gays Vs minority christian and minority muslim. The latter 2 being more vocal and sensitive bkos they rbing in the religious dimension.

[keto1979]

Even if you bring in religion, majority of the population are buddhist and in Buddhism, it is LUST that the buddha warns us of, not M2M sex! Talk about majority....

[iammrlee]

M2M sex is always an issue with culture too.

[keto1979]

The ignorant woman does not know what gay people go through everyday and she goes saying "I know as a fact homosexual can change". I say live that life first or any of your comments from your deluded mind would carry ZERO weight.

P.S denial doesnt mean a change into a straight.

[apballard]

How do you know she was not a homosexual or does not know homosexuals who have changed?

I have not lived the life of a homosexual, but have lived with a gay man who changed his ways and have heard from dozens of folks who have stayed heterosexual after living a homosexual lifestyle.

Do you know this woman personally and have lived her life? Is this why you can say she is ignorant?

[keto1979]

Precisely! I dont know, and we have the least idea too. If she wants to make her comment sound fair, tell us if she is homosexual. If she is not, she is just standing as an observer commenting on things she hasnt been through herself. Everyone can do that right?

[keto1979]

Using a rational mind (rare these days) do you not think homosexuals do not want to conform to society and live a so called 'normal' life? With all the homohobia in Singapore, I am sure, they have had these thoughts some point or another. Thats must be the easiest way out right.

And I can say that because I have lived that life and she hasnt.

[keto1979]

But the so called change she said has well been documented in the west as a failed attempts. She obviously is living in stone age or CHOOSE to ignore the truth, CONVENIENTLY (kos it doesnt affect her, as a bystander)

By her actions, she will drive people to live 'underground lives', 'double lives', prevent better HIV monitoring and she may never be aware, again, because she is just a bystander.

I am sorry for her for she knows not what bad karmic seeds she has planted for herself.

Metta

[apballard]

Metta, thank you for your responds.

Concerning karmic seeds.

Do you live in a country like India that has practiced the belief of Karma for centuries?

Recently my friends have experience the non-American original view of karma that supports the sex slave trade system in India.

Very disturbing to this American boy who only knows the dogmatic stripped down version.

[keto1979]

As neutral as a knife that is used to kill or perform surgery, karma is neutral and doesnt support or go against any system.Karma just explains why you are what you are.its people who like to use karma to propagate things.

[Bm0h]

There is no gay gene, which means you cant be born that way. just b/c you say you cant change doesn't mean it isn't possible. Its social conditioning, so if ppl grow up in a society where its ok then they are more likely to explore it. Being gay is a choice, maybe a semi unconscious one...non the less still a choice

[CurtainRod]

There haven't been any studies that has proven that there is no homosexuality gene, although that would be simplifying things too much. something can be inborn without it genetic. The theory with the older brother effect involves something about testosterone in the womb although I can't remember the specifics. saying that being gay is a choice is insinuating that everyone is inherently bisexual and they can go either of two ways, or stay bisexual.

[keto1979]

And who are you speaking on behalf? Are you homosexual? You dont know what we go through so stop perpetuating such nonsense. People like you are the cuases why my homosexual friends kill themselves because they see that they cannot 'change' to conform!

No Metta today

[keto1979]

sorry prev post was directed at Bmoh

[keto1979]

prev post was for Bmoh, not Curtainrod

[Futuregohan14]

It doesn't necessarily have to do with a gay gene or not. There is a very good chance that it is simply a disorder that affects your hormone levels. Gays have imbalanced levels of estrogen and testosterone, and lesbians do to. When you go though puberty and your hormones become imbalanced like this, you can become a homosexual, or even an asexual.

[obscurenote]

and where did u get those facts, mr scientist?

[Futuregohan14]

The gene theory doesn't work, since you can have twins with one straight and one gay(that's been proven).

The nurture theory doesn't really work either.

The most likely answer lies in some sort of hormonal imbalance.

Do you have a better answer?

[Futuregohan14]

Go to google and type in quotes "what makes people gay?" That article will hand you a few ideas pertaining to the biological causes of homosexuality.

[CurtainRod]

The gene theory COULD work. Even though left handedness is genetically predisposed, an identical twin of a left-handed person would only have a 76% chance of being left-handed. In identical twins, 52% of male identical twins and 22% of fraternal twins are both gay. It could be genetically disposed with some dependence on environment. The pure environment theory is less likely since twins, who are raised the same way may have differing sexual orientations.

[Futuregohan14]

That's a valid point as well.

Perhaps the best answer is a combination of both.

[Musicofthissphere]

You're an idiot

[Futuregohan14]

Fine. What do you believe to be the actual cause of homosexuality, then?

A gene? Or do you call it an "alternative lifestyle"?

[Musicofthissphere]

Gene, probably that can be influenced in a limited manner from intra partum factors. there is so much information on the net about this

[Futuregohan14]

Would you agree that it could be possible that said gene creates the type of hormone imbalance I was talking about?

I'm not against that theory at all, btw.

[Musicofthissphere]

In the old days, they stressed out pregnant rats by hanging them upside down and doing other things that induced a cortisol response. Those 'stressed' pregnant rats' offsprings had a higher incidence of homosexual behavior than non-stressed rats. But in humans, this hasnt correlated with women who report very stressful pregnancies. I only mention it because the 'stress' theory is an endocrine/hormonal theory. Sorry I was rude to you before

[Futuregohan14]

Its cool, you have a valid argument and I respect your opinion.

[morabeza79]

You automatically assumed that I am gay, rather unfair.

I was trying to help you open your heart. It's clear you have a hard, closed one. I hope that one day your abrasive and intolerant feelings will fade because you are actually denying yourself peace when you are so angry as to wish a total stranger to hell for simply asking you to try and understand others different than yourself.

[Danicokel]

Pray the gay away MugawamaWaJihad!

[MuqawamaWaJihad]

Homosexuality is a mental disorder that can be cured like any other disorders. It was listed as mental disorder in the US until the 70's when some "special interest" group funded by big organization changed it in light of "studies" that found it not to be mental disorder. narth. com is dedicated to exposing the truth behind this mental disorder.

[CurtainRod]

many of the studies before the more recent ones have been skewed by the psychologists biases. modern studies have found it to be a natural variant of human behaviour, and have found little difference between heterosexuals and homosexuals psychologically. studies in the past used homosexuals who were already going for therapy, while modern ones have used examples from the general population. so yes, it is perfectly healthy.

[thereallurker]

I hope they discriminate against ugly women with big noses next, like the one in the vid.

[alt173]

Perversion is perversion. Moral Relativism is death. These people should mind their own business and do their thing in private, like everyone else should! As long as no one is kicking in your door, keep your mouth shut and mind your own business.

I know this message will get Thumbed Down into non-existence. But for those of you doing the Thumbing, it only shows that YOU are as GUILTY of the intolerance you accuse others of!

[jammoexii]

Interesting vid. Maybe do one next about Saudi Arabia or Iran or Pakistan?

Please?

Please?!

Also, did anyone else think it was sad that in the "gay capital of Asia" homosexuality (/homosexual behaviour?) is technically illegal?

[PerkyPoodle]

There are far greater issues to deal with in the world than someone's sexual activities.

It is amazing how self-centerd people are today.

[morabeza79]

Are you gay? I doubt you are, otherwise you would understand. Put yourself in someone else's shoes.

[auioyt]

I agree. No one should have to put up with persecution for their lifestyle choices. I suspect Perky would feel differently if on the receiving end of persecution. Funny how Perky accuses people of being self-centered and wants people to only care about issues that are important to him/her :)

[buzzin1975]

I'm gay most of the time. It's hard this day and age, but one should strive to be gay despite hardship.

[menofcolor]

Sexuality is morally neutral. But, of course, only Religion would frame the debate this way since they have nothing else to stand on.

[ptolemi]

If you think homosexuality should be punished by the law you are a backwards, primitive, ignorant, and a repugnant individual who is only rooted with hatred and bigotry.

Religious people need to leave the goverment and stop interfering with it. Church and state should be separate.

[husni5827]

That's what happen when people stop believing in god. They only turn to god when they are in trouble, disaster or whatever. Open your eyes. We are made by god and we must serve the creator. It's funny how people easily forget their beginnings.

[pegasus009]

we must server the CREAAATOOOOR!!... he is all knowing and all wise... occasionally(1000 - 2000 years) he will send dumb fks known as prophets... and these dumb fks will give us holy books which will hold their own ideology but we must believe its the word of GOD... it will tell you how to pray, when to pray, how to eat, what to eat, how to fk, how not to fk, how to dress, how to grow a beard and much more useless things...

[iammrlee]

cool off abit there. lol

but i must say husni had it coming.

[iammrlee]

Religious people need to leave the goverment and stop interfering with it. Church and state should be separate. A+ comment

[Ekalavya]

you know what was weird? i didn't see a single fat people in that video, wow

[nimitzclass]

Some people who claim to be homosexual can change and become hetero. Sure. Guess what, some heterosexuals also thought they were heteros until they realise they're homo. Homos can change, just like heteros can. It's just that there aren't that many gays around at any one time. There aren't that many Jews in Spore as compared to, say, Buddhists. So, just because they are the minority, does it mean you can make demands that they change to suit the majority?

[RG415WBFAA]

Homosexuality and heterosexuality are not morally equivalent. Homosexuality is obviously perverted and disgusting. The proof is in the pudding with lower life spans, higher time preference, and a backwards dating scene. It does not matter whether there are genetic inclinations to it because criminality and other human behavior is genetically hardwired as well.

[nimitzclass]

Sure, blue eyes, hirsuitism etc are also genetic quirks. Homosexuality is disgusting to you. Something you do may be disgusting and perverted in the eyes of others. You wouldn't be too pleased when these people call you names and try to impose their ways on you, eh?

[twinturbine]

Clearly, RG415WBFAA, you have spent a great deal of time considering homosexuality... I believe the term of the psychological defence mechanism you're experiencing is 'Compensation'. (i.e, the process of concealing a psychological difficulty or tendency by developing in another direction)

[packerthe3rd]

They are totaly moraly equivilant, personaly I dont like hearing or seeing acts of homosexuality. But I am completly accepting of it. The government have no right to tell people who they can and cant sleep with. Laws are there to keep order, this is a case were it is being used to control people. Because of repression

[obscurenote]

homosexuality and heterosexuality IS morally equivalent. Tolerance is not enough.

[Kirbytime]

Very interesting