Unfortunately, the simple peace loving young folk of the 60's, who didn't want to become a statistic in the Vietnam war, were wanting freedom from the draft. I enlisted in the Air Force rather than tucking my tail between my legs and running to Canada. Those protesting masses are now controlling the country. Go Figure! Conditions are different now. We have wars but no draft. I;m sure if the draft was in effect, there would be many many contemporary protest singers.
@gangpae48 It took courage to do what you did, and it took courage to do what they did, too. Think it's easy to exile yourself, maybe forever, at age 18, for something you believe in? I knew kids who did both, and none of them were cowards, although both bowed to some fears and faced others. As we all do. Perhaps it's time to let it go at last?
Tim Hardin had such an expressive talent that he could sing about satanism and make it sounds seductive...he is not responsible for the possibly awkward lyrics but he sure as hell makes them sound as good as they possibly could....
I am a member of the 60s Generation and was a part of the energy and new ideas that came out of that era. Sadly, it has deminished. But I am hopeful that the coming generation will renew the idealism of that decade because our country desperately needs to be shaken up again.
I am a member of the 60s Generation and was a part of the energy and new ideas that came out of that era. Sadly, it has deminished. But I am hopeful that the coming generation will renew the idealism of that decade because our country desperately needs to be shaken up again.
I am a vietnam veteran and I hate war. Who should hate war more than a soldier or sailor who has experienced it or the families who lost loved ones in it? I wish every hawk who thinks war is glamorous or exciting be the first one to fight it or to send their loved ones to it.
My Viet Nam experiences have made me the person I am, and thank God for that. I hate war of any sort. We fight when we stop thinking.
Thank you for posting this song. I fear for our republic given that our government can distort reality, mold opinion toward self defeating actions, bankrupt our nation by failing to finance this war, and lead its youth to death and mayhem, is un-forgivable.
I'm an old timer who went to hear Tim Hardin sing in a small club in Winnipeg, Canada many years ago. He was amazing. The people at our table paid rapt attention to his words and voice. After the set he came up to us and thanked us "for listening." Thank YOU, TIm!
"700 million are you listening..." that likely refers to China at the time ... well then, on second thought ... this song has another shallow ring to it, simplistic pop that just skims the news headlines; but, this song did reach the hearts and mentality of those lulled to sleep by most of the hypnotic culture; it did provoke people to talk about war & the root of it: capitalist imperialism: what was yours is now mine: robbery taught in corporate boardrooms. Thanks Tim, a reason to believe...
@davidfaubion : "...simplistic pop that just skims the news headlines"??? Give me a break, man. What did you expect in a sub-4 minute song: a dissertation? a thesis? a treatise? Lighten up and simply enjoy the song...... Peace.
@chatman2a you're right...the perfect is the enemy of the very good ... and in the format Simple song of Freedom might even be the perfect, in this case the moving folk song, a wake up call at the dawn -- loved it then, loved it last week amidst a lot of other pop folk song, and love its perfection in the context irregardless of all the moving mass march songs before it and since -- The beauty of political songs: they give the political back to us, on our terms for us to expand and build from
@davidfaubion : You are one class act. Don't know if you were a part of the '60s generation. If not, you sure would have been a welcome addition. Thanks for being a keeper of the flame.
Poignant song with a tragic flaw... simple, sincere, and concise, ... but, IMHO, the line about ghetto blacks exercising survival in post-Jim Crow segregated USA --ruined the song now as it did then -- A perfect song ruined by the tragic flaw of racist insensitivity – Hey ya’ll, racism, sexism, jingoism, imperialism, egoism, and other crimes from the top down still hurt us all in America, save the filthy rich: the warmongering perverts-that-be.
In New Zealand we didn't know of the Bobby Darin original version. Tim's heavenly soulful voice, with it's 60s message of racial unity, and it's aggressive anti-war thoughts grabbed me pretty quickly. This topped with gorgeous female vocals, and Tim's unifying voice...I found the original 45 in lower Manhattan in 1993 paying $25 and was mocked for buying it....but it is an upbeat protest song...my favourite - up there with Save the Country by Laura Nyro.
This song was my first introduction to Tim Hardin's haunting voice. This version was part of a songtrack for a television news documentary, I believe. Anyone know anymore about that? I'll have to go dig! Love this.
Bobby Darin had had a big hit with Tim Hardin's If I were a carpenter and so he wrote this song for Tim. It was Tim's only hit recording. Bobby Darin recorded his own version later. So this is is in fact the original recording. Tim and Bobby became friendly and helped each other out.
Who knows but We let you down. Not only that but we knew better, or should have. Our heartfelt apologies. In fact you have just asked the most interesting question I think that can be asked now. Thanks for the courage to ask. Keep doing what you are doing.
Tim Hardin definitely has the most haunting voice that I have ever heard. Simply beautiful, though. Bobby Darin wrote this song by the way. Ironic how it was freedom that ultimately led to Tim's demise--the freedom to overdose on heroin. Sad.
WAKA! Nice comments from young people. Tim Hardin and Freddie Mercury are my favorite male singers ever, but Bobby Darin is right up there. And I really don't/won't listen to a lot of music. Few people ever discovered Tim Hardin so... good for you.
Really needs to be done now. Should be done in a "we are the world" type format w/ the music industry coming together in a unified voice against war around the world. (never hurts to keep reminding) and in such an eliquant way. This really is an amazing song by Bobby Darin. Great job Tim Hardin!
Put it to bed guys! Darin and Hardin, like their era, all have been dead for a long time. Darin wrote great songs and was a great performer. Hardin wrote great songs and was perhaps, a better singer. In any event, they both were the best at what they did and deserve to have respect for their accomplishments. And this is for the "liverpoolishgirl," start using the capital letter "B" when referring to Black persons of any era.God knows that they have earned that modest symbol of respect.
Actually there is a wonderful story that at Christmas time 1967 Hardin asked his wife, Susan Moore, to buy a surprise Christmas gift for Darin because it was the first time they'd had enough money to really celebrate due to Carpenter being such a hit. She started to buy Darin a raccoon coat, but a friend of both Hardin and Darin (knowing how Darin felt about fur!) steered her to a first edition book, instead. She bought the coat and a snowmobile for Hardin's present.
Beautiful words & all. Written by Bobby Darin..he mentioned it...like a +trade of+ for the awesome..If I were a carpenter written by Tim. Love both these songs :)
Tim Harden wrote" Misty Roses."A really nice man.He filmed me in"You Are What You Eat" with Peter Yarrow when I was a kid running and giggling down an alley in the Village.Wonder how to contact him.He's okay,isn't he?
One of the most beautiful songs ever written...SO much better than Bobby Darin's version or ANYONE else's for that matter. Tim Hardin was a songwriting genius...rest in peace Tim
Iwill agree with you about Tim being a genious , but this was actually written for Tim by Bobby Darin! to sort of even the score Tim wrote If I Were a Carpenter 6 years before that Darin had a big hit with , Tim Hardin never wrote political songs like this. Just beautiful love songs.
Yeah you're right about that..I kind of forgot about that. Some people on here are trying to debate WHO actually wrote this song. Honestly, the poetic GENIUS of this song actually sounds a lot more LIKE Tim Hardin's writing more so than Bobb Darin's. That's just my opinion though. I like Bobby Darin, he's good but Tim Hardin has SO much more depth to him
If you want to hear Tim's more personal Tim Hardin kind of stuff listen to him do , How Can We Hang Onto a Dream or Part of The Wind or It Will Never Happen Again all are on here, Bobby Darin wrote that song when he briefly gave up the night cub Las Vegas stuff grew his hair became 1960's politically aware and lived in a trailer in the desert for awhile
Great song that I loved as a teen. I have the 45 and played it to death. It doesn't seem that people learn from their parents experiences and advice. Don't know what the answer is. I think we've gone too far in the liberal direction and I never thought I'd say that. By that I mean people thinking they should get something for nothing. People not sacrificing and working hard.
Re: the world-- Do think we must try real hard with diplomacy but to keep our heads up too.
I have a couple of Tim's LP's. He was such a great singer and performer. Just to bad this song he didnt live it. Freedom does'nt mean you have a right to destroy your body on drugs. He died of heroin overdose.
Im proud of being a survivor of heroin and other drugs and alcohol addiction. The best advice I got when my friend told me to "GROW UP". I did. And now, I've been clean and sober for over 20 yrs.
His life was his life , a sensative introspective poet , who if you knew him had a great wit and humor and a smile that lit up a room, who is anyone to judge how someone else should live? , he was a poet not Tony Robins!! and did the best he could, what he did do is produce some beautiful poetic music , that spoke to the melencholy in us all , perhaps to much for him to bare.
And of course as was stated he did not write this, THIS WAS FORCED UPON tIM BY HIS RECORD COMPANY TIM WAS NOT POLITICAL.but he had a commercial hit with this never the less.
This song was actually written by Bobby Darin. Darin had had a big hit with Tim's song "If I Were A Carpenter" several years earlier. Darin's recording came out before Tim's own did and established Tim's position in the music business. Tim and Bobby became friendly and they swapped hits.
What a great song! To quote another artist's lyric, "Brother wasn't that a time?" I'm not so sure a similar time isn't just around the corner as we get backed into the Afghan conflict a step at a time.
Keep your troops, anger, influence, activities, weapons OUT OF MY COUNTRY, it ruins my family, my neighborhood, my country and makes me a refugee without a country, than you welcome me in your country when you can't leave me alone in my place.
being twenty three i am jealous that your generation was able to hear music that was original, heartfelt, and took talent. What has happened to us and where are we going?
no reason to be pessimistic. Most people f my generation only listened to the music, only few really made the good music. I wonder if that is different today?
There are still bands and nusicians that make great music, but you must look in the undergrounds to find them. "The Walkmen" and the son of Paul Simon are such examples. :-)
@BobbGnarley ...if you forgive me ... nonsense!!! I am 58 and, believe me there was dross then as now. Nostalgia can take you over. You're 23 - go out and create your own or seek out and listen to what's good today... it's still there.
@BobbGnarley you are a mature now 24 year old..if you liked this version check out the one by Bobby Darin,,he wrote this and does a great performance but Tim Hardi does too.
@BobbGnarley you just happen not be looking in the right place. It does take some digging past the Sugary-Sweet-ro-your-teeth-pop-garbage, but it does exist.
If you are looking for music that is soulfelt then you might give Ray LaMontagne a listen.
@BobbGnarley There's still good music out there, it's just harder to find. You can blame it on the record industry. You can blame it on the fact that everyone can play an instrument now.
@tofermauerhan We're in basic agreement, except, as a guitarist and guitar teacher, I find that fewer and fewer actually play instruments. computerized games don't count. When I was young (always a perilous phrase!) there were garage bands everywhere, and a dance with a live band at the High School every Friday all year long. This was the mid sixties.. our kids went through HS without ever having a single live band, including prom. Canned music. Yes, good music's out there.Tough hunt though.
This song and a few others by Tim Hardin and Bobby Darin are included in a set of CD's called "The Folk Years". There are a lot of songs from that era. It may be a Time-Life release but I'm not sure. The set is a couple hundred miles away from me at the moment.
I think I read that Tim was jealous and mad at Bobby when Bobby made a bigger hit from one of Tim's songs. Tim had recorded it first without much success. So to pacify the feelings Bobby gave this song to Tim to record first. He did ok
There are alot of us peace lovers still out there but I'm afraid that maybe we are just too overpowered to do anything??(someone tell me different please!!)..".I'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony"...Too many people to eager to fight ..I even see it here on the tube.Sad.But we just just Keep on keepin on and we'll be ok..Peace and Love to all who appreciate it.!!...Oh this song is the awesomest and Bobby sang it great also.
Amen to that - over the years the warmongers have made it more difficult to have peaceful protests and too many people don't understand and don't see the horrors of war any more.
hey guys -remember when a singer sang a song that caught the mood of a nation? See it all again and relive the memories during the 40th anniversary of Woodstock. How does that song go "what are we fighting for -don't ask me I don't give a damn . ."
Wrong - one hell of a lot of these peace lovers died in the "Nam." We just don't seem to learn from our past mistakes. Too bad! Now a new generation of men and women will pay the price for the stupidity of going to war when it "don't mean nothing."
No discuissions this space are for Tim Hardin, one legend folk artist that I have the lucky to know in one vinyl album in early 60's, one poet, composer and very good singer.
Darin was great too, but I see him more like a crooner, a big voice......ocasionally sings same roc'k'n'roll....
No questions two great artists Hardin and Darin, Kevin Spacey to me is a correct actor not much more than this!
You might want to delve a little deeper into Darin's HUGE catalog of music before pigeonholing him.. with 'crooner' and 'some rock and roll.' You'll be surprised and may find an awfully lot -like this - that you like.
I applaud Bobby D for his thoughts and song ...but I have to say Tim Hardin's version is better. The time it was written was long time ago but we still don't want no war!!!!!!!!! We don't want to see people killed and maimed do we???????? But simple gifts, words and songs don't end war do they.....bless those who served but send anybody else to die..........
Listen to more of his music before you try to pigeonhole Darin, who was notorious for not fitting into any single category.
And was the 'homoerotic subtext ' comment below directed at me? Just wondering, as youtube seems to be placing all replies at the top no matter where/when the original comment occurred.
The "homoerotic subbtext" comment was written to nimnestl who wrote this to me
"Keep dreaming, faghetti. I'm sure you'd love for me to "hang ten" in your personal "pipeline", but you'll be disappointed to know that I'm straight, thanks. Guess you'll have to resign yourself to yet another night of hitting the bong as you sing your own "simple song of freedom" while bouncing on your well-worn, felch-stained Sybian. Cheers.
Please do not put Kevin Spacey in the same category as Tim Hardin. Spacey was TERRIBLE as Bobby Darin, and he sure as hell didn't do justice to Tim's song either.
Keep dreaming, faghetti. I'm sure you'd love for me to "hang ten" in your personal "pipeline", but you'll be disappointed to know that I'm straight, thanks. Guess you'll have to resign yourself to yet another night of hitting the bong as you sing your own "simple song of freedom" while bouncing on your well-worn, felch-stained Sybian. Cheers.
Judging by the homoerotic subtext in your message...it´s evident that your homophobic ramblings are a consequence of your own latent repressed homosexuality......
Maybe you just haven´t met the right girl yet, maybe you won´t and you`ll just have settle down living the gaylife, I wish you all the best! but in future please don´t confuse your own sexual preferences with mine!
Not bad. Kevin Spacey's version, IMHO, is the best because of his use of back up singers. One tip for anti war libs though..if you're going to be against war, don't pick & choose the war. It was the bleeding hearts of the world that got the U.S. involved in that fiasco in Somalia. The military isn't for your personal agenda. Nor is military force okay just because it favors leftist agendas.
Take your pick, mate. Every one of "our" wars has been about expansion and control of resources. Not one of them has been to advance a "leftist" agenda. All war is capitalist/fascist, including Stalin's and Mao's.
That was Darin's production. He always featured blacks from opening comics to back ups. Wish some of the people here knew how close he was to MLK and how he marched in Selma and in DC in 63 - before it was cool.
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yea, but 50 million iraqis are FREE. Tell them Bush is a moron..I personally know several who love the man for givig them the freedom you and I take for granted everyday. Get real. Get over your hate.
There were 25 million people in Iraq before the US invasion. Over a million killed, a few million left for Jordan, Syria, etc. Their country is in total shambles, most of its infrastructure destroyed... a horrible basket case. Over 4000 brave US men and women killed and tens of thousands brutally injured and thousands more psychologically damaged forever. Freedom! What a joke. A devastated country so that the big 4 US oil companies kicked out by Sadam could get back in. And they just got back.
LOl...free? at what cost? How many were killed?....and you know for a fact OIL is the ONLY reason we ever went in....and by the way didn't the US gov't support Sadaam when he was useful to us?...hmmm
Are they really free? They get to exchange opression of a Hitlerian tyrant for a capitalist/big oil type. War is never about freedom--even ones for defense are of dubious intent. Every one of them has a "noble intent". And btw, Bush IS a moron.
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When we went into Iraq the percentage of the US was in favor of it - and I hate to disappoint, but republicans dont make up that large of a percetage - most of Bushs choices were based on popularity or administration choices - the popular vote way of ruling a nation is what democrats wanted - SO - get over yourselves. Was he a good president? no?
Tim Hardin & Bobby Darin......were both great singers and writers.....and shared songs back and forth......simply put....end of story!! I am a Bobby Darin fan, but I think Tim Hardin had a wonderful voice and was a very talented writer.....RIP Tim, dh
This song,indeed written by Bobby Darin, (checked the sleeve of the album) deserves a million viewers; a small part of the 700 million Tim is singing about. Why is this song so difficult to find on cd? Thanks for putting this on YouTube
Because, I wanted to see if you could put 2 and 2 together. Clearly, no one who's remotely rich is going to want songs like this to be heard, so it's very hard to find it.
The bobby daryn version is slightly easier to find, and nicer. But, it's still unmarked on the cd's cover(lol), you have to look at what ones have it online.
Why is antianti provocative?
it equates to 'the christ'(as you have pointed out)
1What you mean with remotely rich(English is not my mother tongue)If: people far from being rich(=poor), then I don't know why they shouldn't want songs like this to be heard, and if you mean the very rich(who control music industry?), then I guess his alcoholic lifestyle and his dead by drugs overdosis were also of influence that his records were rare to be found. Both rich and poor have an interest selling/buying good music.2.When John Lennon compared himself with Christ he caused un uproar.
Tim Hardin still Rocks in my heart!....RESPECT!
BONO1950 3 weeks ago
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HotPlatters1 1 month ago
great performance Tim was most talented person ever god bless your soul
borjjalo 3 months ago
I bought this song when it came out....loved it then as I do now. Not the words...just the mood.
ppaulmorris 3 months ago
@widswins I didnt say Tim Hardin wrote Simple Song of Freedom. I just said he was a great songwriter. Sorry for the misunderstanding..
prblack6 5 months ago
Unfortunately, the simple peace loving young folk of the 60's, who didn't want to become a statistic in the Vietnam war, were wanting freedom from the draft. I enlisted in the Air Force rather than tucking my tail between my legs and running to Canada. Those protesting masses are now controlling the country. Go Figure! Conditions are different now. We have wars but no draft. I;m sure if the draft was in effect, there would be many many contemporary protest singers.
gangpae48 5 months ago 4
@gangpae48 It took courage to do what you did, and it took courage to do what they did, too. Think it's easy to exile yourself, maybe forever, at age 18, for something you believe in? I knew kids who did both, and none of them were cowards, although both bowed to some fears and faced others. As we all do. Perhaps it's time to let it go at last?
GammonAndSpinach 3 months ago 4
classic!!!
makalavena 6 months ago
Terrible singer but great song writer!!
prblack6 6 months ago
@prblack6 Bobby Darin wrote simple song of freedom.
widswins 5 months ago
What a lost talent.
johnmac777 11 months ago
We the people here don't want war..God Bless may St. Micka'el watch over you. A blindman od faith.
jarheadmuscle 1 year ago
Tim Hardin had such an expressive talent that he could sing about satanism and make it sounds seductive...he is not responsible for the possibly awkward lyrics but he sure as hell makes them sound as good as they possibly could....
Timwgtn 1 year ago
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I am a member of the 60s Generation and was a part of the energy and new ideas that came out of that era. Sadly, it has deminished. But I am hopeful that the coming generation will renew the idealism of that decade because our country desperately needs to be shaken up again.
elmerjfudd71347 1 year ago
I am a member of the 60s Generation and was a part of the energy and new ideas that came out of that era. Sadly, it has deminished. But I am hopeful that the coming generation will renew the idealism of that decade because our country desperately needs to be shaken up again.
elmerjfudd71347 1 year ago
I am a vietnam veteran and I hate war. Who should hate war more than a soldier or sailor who has experienced it or the families who lost loved ones in it? I wish every hawk who thinks war is glamorous or exciting be the first one to fight it or to send their loved ones to it.
My Viet Nam experiences have made me the person I am, and thank God for that. I hate war of any sort. We fight when we stop thinking.
rchrdcooper89 1 year ago 2
Thank you for posting this song. I fear for our republic given that our government can distort reality, mold opinion toward self defeating actions, bankrupt our nation by failing to finance this war, and lead its youth to death and mayhem, is un-forgivable.
The past is our future.
dcsware 1 year ago
I'm an old timer who went to hear Tim Hardin sing in a small club in Winnipeg, Canada many years ago. He was amazing. The people at our table paid rapt attention to his words and voice. After the set he came up to us and thanked us "for listening." Thank YOU, TIm!
mollycanadian 1 year ago
"700 million are you listening..." that likely refers to China at the time ... well then, on second thought ... this song has another shallow ring to it, simplistic pop that just skims the news headlines; but, this song did reach the hearts and mentality of those lulled to sleep by most of the hypnotic culture; it did provoke people to talk about war & the root of it: capitalist imperialism: what was yours is now mine: robbery taught in corporate boardrooms. Thanks Tim, a reason to believe...
davidfaubion 1 year ago
@davidfaubion : "...simplistic pop that just skims the news headlines"??? Give me a break, man. What did you expect in a sub-4 minute song: a dissertation? a thesis? a treatise? Lighten up and simply enjoy the song...... Peace.
chatman2a 1 year ago
@chatman2a you're right...the perfect is the enemy of the very good ... and in the format Simple song of Freedom might even be the perfect, in this case the moving folk song, a wake up call at the dawn -- loved it then, loved it last week amidst a lot of other pop folk song, and love its perfection in the context irregardless of all the moving mass march songs before it and since -- The beauty of political songs: they give the political back to us, on our terms for us to expand and build from
davidfaubion 1 year ago
@davidfaubion : You are one class act. Don't know if you were a part of the '60s generation. If not, you sure would have been a welcome addition. Thanks for being a keeper of the flame.
chatman2a 1 year ago
Poignant song with a tragic flaw... simple, sincere, and concise, ... but, IMHO, the line about ghetto blacks exercising survival in post-Jim Crow segregated USA --ruined the song now as it did then -- A perfect song ruined by the tragic flaw of racist insensitivity – Hey ya’ll, racism, sexism, jingoism, imperialism, egoism, and other crimes from the top down still hurt us all in America, save the filthy rich: the warmongering perverts-that-be.
davidfaubion 1 year ago
In New Zealand we didn't know of the Bobby Darin original version. Tim's heavenly soulful voice, with it's 60s message of racial unity, and it's aggressive anti-war thoughts grabbed me pretty quickly. This topped with gorgeous female vocals, and Tim's unifying voice...I found the original 45 in lower Manhattan in 1993 paying $25 and was mocked for buying it....but it is an upbeat protest song...my favourite - up there with Save the Country by Laura Nyro.
And expressed it in a poetic sensibility
Timwgtn 1 year ago
This song was my first introduction to Tim Hardin's haunting voice. This version was part of a songtrack for a television news documentary, I believe. Anyone know anymore about that? I'll have to go dig! Love this.
elliehjemmet 1 year ago
Bobby Darin had had a big hit with Tim Hardin's If I were a carpenter and so he wrote this song for Tim. It was Tim's only hit recording. Bobby Darin recorded his own version later. So this is is in fact the original recording. Tim and Bobby became friendly and helped each other out.
RossM3838 1 year ago 2
Who knows but We let you down. Not only that but we knew better, or should have. Our heartfelt apologies. In fact you have just asked the most interesting question I think that can be asked now. Thanks for the courage to ask. Keep doing what you are doing.
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haleybump 1 year ago
thanks. great artist.
LateNotes 1 year ago
Tim Hardin definitely has the most haunting voice that I have ever heard. Simply beautiful, though. Bobby Darin wrote this song by the way. Ironic how it was freedom that ultimately led to Tim's demise--the freedom to overdose on heroin. Sad.
ElvisFan1974 1 year ago
thanks for posting this beautiful version of Tim
hansw16 1 year ago
Thanks to Mark Dylan Seiber for posting this wonderful song.
ejpaw1 1 year ago
Tim was the sweetest guy ever.
Lupitamihita 1 year ago
The song still rings true even after so many years
pendekar6 1 year ago
He's such a great artist. I didn't discover him until just a few years ago, He's unbelievable.
desertra1 1 year ago
WAKA! Nice comments from young people. Tim Hardin and Freddie Mercury are my favorite male singers ever, but Bobby Darin is right up there. And I really don't/won't listen to a lot of music. Few people ever discovered Tim Hardin so... good for you.
desertra1 1 year ago
@bobbGnarley
You are soooo right!
HieronymusDada 1 year ago
Really needs to be done now. Should be done in a "we are the world" type format w/ the music industry coming together in a unified voice against war around the world. (never hurts to keep reminding) and in such an eliquant way. This really is an amazing song by Bobby Darin. Great job Tim Hardin!
X57280 1 year ago
Sorry about that - but you notice, I don't capitalize Liverpool, either - most people don't text, etc. with caps, for any reason whatsoever.
liverpoolishgirl 1 year ago
You capitalize Whites in the US, as well?
liverpoolishgirl 1 year ago 3
Put it to bed guys! Darin and Hardin, like their era, all have been dead for a long time. Darin wrote great songs and was a great performer. Hardin wrote great songs and was perhaps, a better singer. In any event, they both were the best at what they did and deserve to have respect for their accomplishments. And this is for the "liverpoolishgirl," start using the capital letter "B" when referring to Black persons of any era.God knows that they have earned that modest symbol of respect.
wiltent 1 year ago
Actually there is a wonderful story that at Christmas time 1967 Hardin asked his wife, Susan Moore, to buy a surprise Christmas gift for Darin because it was the first time they'd had enough money to really celebrate due to Carpenter being such a hit. She started to buy Darin a raccoon coat, but a friend of both Hardin and Darin (knowing how Darin felt about fur!) steered her to a first edition book, instead. She bought the coat and a snowmobile for Hardin's present.
liverpoolishgirl 1 year ago
Beautiful words & all. Written by Bobby Darin..he mentioned it...like a +trade of+ for the awesome..If I were a carpenter written by Tim. Love both these songs :)
leemmee 1 year ago
Tim Harden wrote" Misty Roses."A really nice man.He filmed me in"You Are What You Eat" with Peter Yarrow when I was a kid running and giggling down an alley in the Village.Wonder how to contact him.He's okay,isn't he?
carmenrnunn 1 year ago
Tim Hardin's been dead a long time.
liverpoolishgirl 1 year ago
One of the most beautiful songs ever written...SO much better than Bobby Darin's version or ANYONE else's for that matter. Tim Hardin was a songwriting genius...rest in peace Tim
Princeboy99 2 years ago
Iwill agree with you about Tim being a genious , but this was actually written for Tim by Bobby Darin! to sort of even the score Tim wrote If I Were a Carpenter 6 years before that Darin had a big hit with , Tim Hardin never wrote political songs like this. Just beautiful love songs.
rakeuiff 2 years ago 2
Yeah you're right about that..I kind of forgot about that. Some people on here are trying to debate WHO actually wrote this song. Honestly, the poetic GENIUS of this song actually sounds a lot more LIKE Tim Hardin's writing more so than Bobb Darin's. That's just my opinion though. I like Bobby Darin, he's good but Tim Hardin has SO much more depth to him
Princeboy99 2 years ago
If you want to hear Tim's more personal Tim Hardin kind of stuff listen to him do , How Can We Hang Onto a Dream or Part of The Wind or It Will Never Happen Again all are on here, Bobby Darin wrote that song when he briefly gave up the night cub Las Vegas stuff grew his hair became 1960's politically aware and lived in a trailer in the desert for awhile
rakeuiff 2 years ago
Nothing you can do about the fact that Darin wrote it, except look a little deeper at the 200 songs Darin wrote.
liverpoolishgirl 1 year ago
Great song that I loved as a teen. I have the 45 and played it to death. It doesn't seem that people learn from their parents experiences and advice. Don't know what the answer is. I think we've gone too far in the liberal direction and I never thought I'd say that. By that I mean people thinking they should get something for nothing. People not sacrificing and working hard.
Re: the world-- Do think we must try real hard with diplomacy but to keep our heads up too.
wendydale1 2 years ago
Written by BD; Tim Hardin wrote Carpenter.
liverpoolishgirl 2 years ago
This song was written by Bobby Darin,
liverpoolishgirl 2 years ago
nope it wasn't. Bobby Darin stated it was written by Tim Hardin. It was just a big hit for Bobby.
julieSorenson 2 years ago
I have a couple of Tim's LP's. He was such a great singer and performer. Just to bad this song he didnt live it. Freedom does'nt mean you have a right to destroy your body on drugs. He died of heroin overdose.
b42baritone 2 years ago
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This songs sucks badass, and on top of that I gotta read your righteous stinking shit! Where's my heroin...?
sxmadrid 2 years ago
@sxmadrid
Im proud of being a survivor of heroin and other drugs and alcohol addiction. The best advice I got when my friend told me to "GROW UP". I did. And now, I've been clean and sober for over 20 yrs.
b42baritone 2 years ago
@b42baritone
nice :)
freekster1 2 years ago
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rakeuiff 2 years ago
His life was his life , a sensative introspective poet , who if you knew him had a great wit and humor and a smile that lit up a room, who is anyone to judge how someone else should live? , he was a poet not Tony Robins!! and did the best he could, what he did do is produce some beautiful poetic music , that spoke to the melencholy in us all , perhaps to much for him to bare.
rakeuiff 2 years ago
And of course as was stated he did not write this, THIS WAS FORCED UPON tIM BY HIS RECORD COMPANY TIM WAS NOT POLITICAL.but he had a commercial hit with this never the less.
rakeuiff 2 years ago
Too bad, because Bobby Darin was always gracious about giving Tim credit for 'Carpenter.'
liverpoolishgirl 1 year ago
Hear im Hardin IF I WERE A CARPENTER original - great american classic. Are there other (say, live?) recordings of Hardin doing that song?
sturmundranging 2 years ago
This song was actually written by Bobby Darin. Darin had had a big hit with Tim's song "If I Were A Carpenter" several years earlier. Darin's recording came out before Tim's own did and established Tim's position in the music business. Tim and Bobby became friendly and they swapped hits.
RossM3838 2 years ago 7
What a great song! To quote another artist's lyric, "Brother wasn't that a time?" I'm not so sure a similar time isn't just around the corner as we get backed into the Afghan conflict a step at a time.
lightlyone 2 years ago
Keep your troops, anger, influence, activities, weapons OUT OF MY COUNTRY, it ruins my family, my neighborhood, my country and makes me a refugee without a country, than you welcome me in your country when you can't leave me alone in my place.
Axmedkoole 2 years ago
you know jim morrison,tim harden,jimi hendrix,the beatles,creedence clearwater revival are the best everything else is bullshit. WOODSTOCK '69
jiveturkey069 2 years ago 2
Tim is a genius forever. RIP old friend.
fanchbrezoneg 2 years ago 2
being twenty three i am jealous that your generation was able to hear music that was original, heartfelt, and took talent. What has happened to us and where are we going?
BobbGnarley 2 years ago 44
no reason to be pessimistic. Most people f my generation only listened to the music, only few really made the good music. I wonder if that is different today?
aviersel 2 years ago
I just turned 18. I love this kind of music man!
allennnnnn91 2 years ago
@BobbGnarley Sorry to say it but we are all brainwashed repeaters of ego rhetoric.
Serpentmatrix 1 year ago
@BobbGnarley
Dude - learn a couple chords write a song and sing with all ya got. Thats all there is to it - believe it and then do it 100%
tad449 1 year ago
@BobbGnarley - All rap now which is just talking and certainly not singing. Tim Hardin sings with great feeling.
silverstartrucker 1 year ago
@BobbGnarley
There are still bands and nusicians that make great music, but you must look in the undergrounds to find them. "The Walkmen" and the son of Paul Simon are such examples. :-)
davidbrand999 1 year ago
@BobbGnarley ...if you forgive me ... nonsense!!! I am 58 and, believe me there was dross then as now. Nostalgia can take you over. You're 23 - go out and create your own or seek out and listen to what's good today... it's still there.
FENNYMAN 1 year ago 2
@FENNYMAN Quality wise, u are completely delusional, great quality music was made on a large not like the current flow of music
MusicIzMySavior 1 year ago
@MusicIzMySavior
Delusional I may be but "completely"???!!! At last an achievement - so proud of myself!!!
My point was don't let a yearning for the past blind you to what is good around you.
FENNYMAN 1 year ago
@BobbGnarley Exactly, well said...
callexandria 1 year ago
@BobbGnarley Well said...
callexandria 1 year ago
@BobbGnarley
Dont listen to the radio problem solved
jcpelly 1 year ago
@BobbGnarley you are a mature now 24 year old..if you liked this version check out the one by Bobby Darin,,he wrote this and does a great performance but Tim Hardi does too.
Drewtazy 1 year ago
@BobbGnarley ¡I knew i wasn't the only one!
31deenero2008 1 year ago
@BobbGnarley you just happen not be looking in the right place. It does take some digging past the Sugary-Sweet-ro-your-teeth-pop-garbage, but it does exist.
If you are looking for music that is soulfelt then you might give Ray LaMontagne a listen.
Cheers to good music. :)
TheSmokingArgus 1 year ago
@BobbGnarley There's still good music out there, it's just harder to find. You can blame it on the record industry. You can blame it on the fact that everyone can play an instrument now.
tofermauerhan 1 year ago
@tofermauerhan We're in basic agreement, except, as a guitarist and guitar teacher, I find that fewer and fewer actually play instruments. computerized games don't count. When I was young (always a perilous phrase!) there were garage bands everywhere, and a dance with a live band at the High School every Friday all year long. This was the mid sixties.. our kids went through HS without ever having a single live band, including prom. Canned music. Yes, good music's out there.Tough hunt though.
slownoman 1 year ago
@BobbGnarley
Pick up an instrument and make it your own. Imagine your skills on a harmonca instead of a cellphone, after a year or two..
dwight@humanism.ws
CharlesMcGlade 1 year ago
@BobbGnarley
Pick up an instrument and make it your own. Imagine your skills on a harmonica instead of a cellphone, after a year or two..
dwight@humanism.ws
CharlesMcGlade 1 year ago
once upon a time people sang about their convictions, and listen, the result is good music
aviersel 2 years ago
This song and a few others by Tim Hardin and Bobby Darin are included in a set of CD's called "The Folk Years". There are a lot of songs from that era. It may be a Time-Life release but I'm not sure. The set is a couple hundred miles away from me at the moment.
I think I read that Tim was jealous and mad at Bobby when Bobby made a bigger hit from one of Tim's songs. Tim had recorded it first without much success. So to pacify the feelings Bobby gave this song to Tim to record first. He did ok
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wow, I love hearing this song
fruitmuffin 2 years ago
There are alot of us peace lovers still out there but I'm afraid that maybe we are just too overpowered to do anything??(someone tell me different please!!)..".I'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony"...Too many people to eager to fight ..I even see it here on the tube.Sad.But we just just Keep on keepin on and we'll be ok..Peace and Love to all who appreciate it.!!...Oh this song is the awesomest and Bobby sang it great also.
Brit191 2 years ago 10
Amen to that - over the years the warmongers have made it more difficult to have peaceful protests and too many people don't understand and don't see the horrors of war any more.
twiggystick 2 years ago 2
Brit : " Too many people TOO eager to fight".......... ummm eh ,you mean "people" like GW ,and " people" like tony Blair??? .
a20m20 2 years ago
post 1 month, ago gw and tony blair,mmm me thinks u shud check out whos in power! besides there is civil unrest in lots of countries!
sfk1973 2 years ago
right on brother but mankind is just too ignorant and they kill each other like animals because theyre like children they fught over everything
jiveturkey069 2 years ago
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spacepatrolman 6 months ago
I hear you Tim! Yes, I know you and want the same. I'm singin.
thundernegro 2 years ago 2
Tim Hardin will always live in our hearts! God bless him forever and his great version of this song of 'Freedom'!
Credits to, 'Mr. Bobby Darin'. (Songwriter)
Thanks!
johnnyhuis 2 years ago 3
hey guys -remember when a singer sang a song that caught the mood of a nation? See it all again and relive the memories during the 40th anniversary of Woodstock. How does that song go "what are we fighting for -don't ask me I don't give a damn . ."
tisgoner 2 years ago 2
Country Joe McDonald
zolwikPawel 2 years ago
Where were these ardent peace lovers when the mega-hawk Bush was President? They ust have died with Hardin and Darin...
rozmarija 2 years ago
Wrong - one hell of a lot of these peace lovers died in the "Nam." We just don't seem to learn from our past mistakes. Too bad! Now a new generation of men and women will pay the price for the stupidity of going to war when it "don't mean nothing."
wiltent 2 years ago 3
bellissima!!!
YT1210 2 years ago 2
bella!!
LyraOfficial 2 years ago
True Bobby wrote it but the message is the same, and holds true today.
calvojmonte47 2 years ago
I like bobby darin version better plus bobby is the 1 who wrote it.
BENSMOVIEWORLD 2 years ago
lovely version too! the liryc is wonderful
gladietita 2 years ago
I have not heard this song in 40 years.
All of a sudden I'm back in my parent's basement listening to my brother's record player.
Oh man!
LadyOfMaine 2 years ago 3
wonderful!
dushiDD 2 years ago
Great version of this song , Tim hardin was a Great artist and his interpretation of this song demonstrates this
jonnykay67 2 years ago 12
@jonnykay67 nice gift from bobby to his friend tim
thadudekenny 1 year ago
@jonnykay67
He not only sang this song, he was the origanal as he actually wrote the song, and I agree this is the best version of this great song!
bestvideosforsure 1 year ago
Actually this song was written by Bobby Darin. I've always preferred Tim Hardin's version though.
MaabudZ 1 year ago
No discuissions this space are for Tim Hardin, one legend folk artist that I have the lucky to know in one vinyl album in early 60's, one poet, composer and very good singer.
Darin was great too, but I see him more like a crooner, a big voice......ocasionally sings same roc'k'n'roll....
No questions two great artists Hardin and Darin, Kevin Spacey to me is a correct actor not much more than this!
JackStarkey from Brazil!
JackStarkey57 2 years ago 3
My sentiments exactly! I think Kevin Spacey is correct too.
Thank you.
5*****.
Kittielips 2 years ago
You might want to delve a little deeper into Darin's HUGE catalog of music before pigeonholing him.. with 'crooner' and 'some rock and roll.' You'll be surprised and may find an awfully lot -like this - that you like.
liverpoolishgirl 1 year ago
Bobby and Tim admired each other greatly and "traded" hits back and forth. Both were extraordinary talents. Bobby Darin was a transcendent talent.
iowa61 2 years ago 8
I applaud Bobby D for his thoughts and song ...but I have to say Tim Hardin's version is better. The time it was written was long time ago but we still don't want no war!!!!!!!!! We don't want to see people killed and maimed do we???????? But simple gifts, words and songs don't end war do they.....bless those who served but send anybody else to die..........
slypanda1st 2 years ago 2
i think bobby darins version is better
BeduinBrother 2 years ago
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jethrose 2 years ago
i pity the fool who pity the humanity!
BeduinBrother 2 years ago
That makes no sense. Do you even understand the words of the song?
slypanda1st 2 years ago
Neither should you put Tim Hardin in the same league as Bobby Darin, Bobby Darin's version of this song is sooo much better.
gupgupguppo 2 years ago
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jethrose 2 years ago
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...and Tim is now just another dead junkie, while you remain an incorrigible douchebag.
nimnestl 2 years ago
No my friend, Tim is singing to you sweetly from the tower of song........Up there with Hank......and Johnny.......
Tim died for you ....so he could realise the song we both love so well
let us not fight among ourselves
but smoke the haschpipe of peace
and agree to disagree
jethrose 2 years ago 2
Silly. You need to listen to more.
liverpoolishgirl 1 year ago
More what?
jethrose 1 year ago
Listen to more of his music before you try to pigeonhole Darin, who was notorious for not fitting into any single category.
And was the 'homoerotic subtext ' comment below directed at me? Just wondering, as youtube seems to be placing all replies at the top no matter where/when the original comment occurred.
liverpoolishgirl 1 year ago
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Ok. I will.
The "homoerotic subbtext" comment was written to nimnestl who wrote this to me
"Keep dreaming, faghetti. I'm sure you'd love for me to "hang ten" in your personal "pipeline", but you'll be disappointed to know that I'm straight, thanks. Guess you'll have to resign yourself to yet another night of hitting the bong as you sing your own "simple song of freedom" while bouncing on your well-worn, felch-stained Sybian. Cheers.
jethrose 1 year ago
true, it is much better than this
BeduinBrother 2 years ago
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I´m sorry you´re wrong
jethrose 2 years ago
Please do not put Kevin Spacey in the same category as Tim Hardin. Spacey was TERRIBLE as Bobby Darin, and he sure as hell didn't do justice to Tim's song either.
babaradio 2 years ago 3
Kevin Spacey is a dull slab of mediocrity...
Raymantico 3 years ago 2
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jethrose 2 years ago
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...whereas you're a jerkoff.
nimnestl 2 years ago
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whereas you´re a butthole surfer
jethrose 2 years ago
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Keep dreaming, faghetti. I'm sure you'd love for me to "hang ten" in your personal "pipeline", but you'll be disappointed to know that I'm straight, thanks. Guess you'll have to resign yourself to yet another night of hitting the bong as you sing your own "simple song of freedom" while bouncing on your well-worn, felch-stained Sybian. Cheers.
nimnestl 2 years ago
Judging by the homoerotic subtext in your message...it´s evident that your homophobic ramblings are a consequence of your own latent repressed homosexuality......
Maybe you just haven´t met the right girl yet, maybe you won´t and you`ll just have settle down living the gaylife, I wish you all the best! but in future please don´t confuse your own sexual preferences with mine!
jethrose 1 year ago
ur right
GuitarMaster325 3 years ago
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Your both wrong and should be ashamed of yourselves
jethrose 2 years ago
Very good performance, but I prefer Kevin Spacey's one.
Vindobona1995 3 years ago
big tim hardin fan forgot about this one thanks and missing you tim
allthereds 3 years ago 2
kind of sounds like "reason to believe"
VERB65 3 years ago
HOW OLD ARE YOU?
MDOHERTY212 3 years ago
I came on just to listen to this song which I bought a LONG time ago. Lovely to hear it again.
ppaulmorris 3 years ago
Count the cost of freedom, buried in the ground. This is just another classic from Tim.
rocker53zero 3 years ago
one of best singer on the world
DRORIOLI 3 years ago 2
Fantastic version of Bobby's song.
padraiggillon 3 years ago 8
Not bad. Kevin Spacey's version, IMHO, is the best because of his use of back up singers. One tip for anti war libs though..if you're going to be against war, don't pick & choose the war. It was the bleeding hearts of the world that got the U.S. involved in that fiasco in Somalia. The military isn't for your personal agenda. Nor is military force okay just because it favors leftist agendas.
opiewontaylor 3 years ago
Take your pick, mate. Every one of "our" wars has been about expansion and control of resources. Not one of them has been to advance a "leftist" agenda. All war is capitalist/fascist, including Stalin's and Mao's.
paulusmack 3 years ago 9
That was Darin's production. He always featured blacks from opening comics to back ups. Wish some of the people here knew how close he was to MLK and how he marched in Selma and in DC in 63 - before it was cool.
liverpoolishgirl 1 year ago 2
I hope bush and his gang of morons listens to this great song written by Bobby Darin. On Jan 20, 2009 we will all celebrate an end of an error.
bangzoom77 3 years ago 6
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yea, but 50 million iraqis are FREE. Tell them Bush is a moron..I personally know several who love the man for givig them the freedom you and I take for granted everyday. Get real. Get over your hate.
bluekarma 3 years ago
There were 25 million people in Iraq before the US invasion. Over a million killed, a few million left for Jordan, Syria, etc. Their country is in total shambles, most of its infrastructure destroyed... a horrible basket case. Over 4000 brave US men and women killed and tens of thousands brutally injured and thousands more psychologically damaged forever. Freedom! What a joke. A devastated country so that the big 4 US oil companies kicked out by Sadam could get back in. And they just got back.
Lafforte 3 years ago 3
You are the moron for loving that evil sack o'shit. YOU get real. Get over your love.
MrsSuratt 3 years ago
LOl...free? at what cost? How many were killed?....and you know for a fact OIL is the ONLY reason we ever went in....and by the way didn't the US gov't support Sadaam when he was useful to us?...hmmm
boomac62 3 years ago
Are they really free? They get to exchange opression of a Hitlerian tyrant for a capitalist/big oil type. War is never about freedom--even ones for defense are of dubious intent. Every one of them has a "noble intent". And btw, Bush IS a moron.
paulusmack 3 years ago 2
THANK YOU
MDOHERTY212 3 years ago
lol moron. just moron
gaydarth 3 years ago
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When we went into Iraq the percentage of the US was in favor of it - and I hate to disappoint, but republicans dont make up that large of a percetage - most of Bushs choices were based on popularity or administration choices - the popular vote way of ruling a nation is what democrats wanted - SO - get over yourselves. Was he a good president? no?
a decent one? probably. Only time can tell.
TheAbsolutionHowl 3 years ago
It's not just bush, you can't get near the white house unless your beyond corrupt...
theantiantichrist 3 years ago
Tim Hardin & Bobby Darin......were both great singers and writers.....and shared songs back and forth......simply put....end of story!! I am a Bobby Darin fan, but I think Tim Hardin had a wonderful voice and was a very talented writer.....RIP Tim, dh
dhdarin45 3 years ago 6
Listen to Darins Intro RE: Tim - Great little story.
JohnDoeHomeless 2 years ago
This song,indeed written by Bobby Darin, (checked the sleeve of the album) deserves a million viewers; a small part of the 700 million Tim is singing about. Why is this song so difficult to find on cd? Thanks for putting this on YouTube
caran26 3 years ago 2
Why do you think it's so difficult to find? :)
theantiantichrist 3 years ago
I was looking for it for years in Holland. Why you answer questions with questions ? :)
Why such a provocative name as antianti...?
when I learned math -*-=+
caran26 3 years ago
Because, I wanted to see if you could put 2 and 2 together. Clearly, no one who's remotely rich is going to want songs like this to be heard, so it's very hard to find it.
The bobby daryn version is slightly easier to find, and nicer. But, it's still unmarked on the cd's cover(lol), you have to look at what ones have it online.
Why is antianti provocative?
it equates to 'the christ'(as you have pointed out)
theantiantichrist 3 years ago
1What you mean with remotely rich(English is not my mother tongue)If: people far from being rich(=poor), then I don't know why they shouldn't want songs like this to be heard, and if you mean the very rich(who control music industry?), then I guess his alcoholic lifestyle and his dead by drugs overdosis were also of influence that his records were rare to be found. Both rich and poor have an interest selling/buying good music.2.When John Lennon compared himself with Christ he caused un uproar.
caran26 3 years ago
Bobby´s phrasing is appaling .....like a french duke on ludes
jethrose 2 years ago
@jethrose My favourite phrasing...
theantiantichrist 5 months ago
Bobby Darin Wrote This Masterpiece!!
hobby6615 3 years ago
no he didn't
eyencyst 3 years ago
Yes he did!
debo32 3 years ago
eye crust you should do research be for you make any type of commet you have no idea about.
mysticredknight 3 years ago