The Basques are the original europeans and 80% of europeans descend from them.Etruscans were ethnic Basques and these people founded rome n taught the romans everything yet the romans took all the credit and glory wtf the basques created the 1st known civilization n now to finally drop ur jaw they also created egypt,mesopotamia,the indus valley n troy...enough said....research it if u think i am off my rocker.....
@XJorgeLorenzoSpain1X wtf debería decirlo yo porque acaso no has oído lo que es el País Vasco francés?? Está en el departamento de los Pirineos Atlánticos junto al Bearn. Estos dos territorios piden un departamento propio.
Los independentistas tiran piedras sobre su propio tejado cuando dicen que España no es una nación simplemente por el hecho de ser un territorio plurilingüe ya que Cataluña también es bilingüe y no tiene por tanto (según los argumentos de los propios independentistas) los elementos necesarios para ser una nación.
Basque language is said to come from the Caucus region, or at least be related to it somehow. The Basque people however are indigenous to the region. They are the oldest inhabitants of Europe. They are descended from the refuge population that lived in the Iberian Peninsula during the Last Glacial Maximum -- over 10k years ago. During the Holocene some dispersed throughout the rest of Iberia and onto the British Isles. The rest, of course, stayed in what came to be known as Basque Country.
During the last Glacial Period Europeans migrated south & east. A small pocket of migrants headed south west into Iberia. When the ice retreated the Indo -Europeans migratated west & north in substantial numbers. The Basques in southern Iberia mixed with new Indo-Europeans, but other Basques migrated north in the Atlantic regions & many migrated to Britain & Ireland via western France. 90%of British dna is not Germanic but Iberian. The Germanics only dominated Britain & gave us a their language
And how exactly are english anglo-saxons the same as celts native to Briton and Ireland when hun barbarians invaded Germany and large parts of europe beginning the 4 th century ?
English saxons have got remarkably similar dna to Frisian dutch but its remarkably different to welsh?
How is it remarkably different to the welsh?
The English are Germans The Welsh are real Britons
@greenmagoos The Celts, ,Anglo-Saxons, Vikings & Normans all dominated parts of this island but NEVER were a majority of the population anywhere in Britain. Contrary to many peoples old beliefs & folk-law, the Celts first migrated here in AD 450 onwards & gave the natives the language( La Tenn & Halsdat tribes ) from what is now France & Belgium. The Brythonics the real Ancient Britons, had been here thousands of years. Before the Anglo-Saxons, Cumbraic was spoken from the Forth to the Humber
@greenmagoos 2/ cont.. Hence the name of the Peak Pen-y Ghent in Yorkshire & the town Penrith in Cumbria. Frisian dna is not similar to English dna. The Frisian language is like old English & that is the only connection. Again the Germanic tribes dominated & gave the language but the ancient Britons did not run west as previously thought. Modern DNA test have proved this beyond doubt. For reference Google any of the Oppenheimer research pages available.
Why is that channel 4 news report saying english anglo-saxons dna is remarkably different to Welsh?
What do you label the native peoples here that raised the standing stones and whose ancestors fought the romans 4,5 centuries before anglo-saxons invaded?
Do huns who migrated into modern germany beginning the 4 th century have any influence on anglo-saxon dna because I know blood group 'o' and rhesus negative was to be found among the raisers of stonehenge?
The basques here have one of the highest recorded %'s of rhesus negative blood type among the population and it can also be found in ireland, scottish highlands and islands, wales.
No, this is basque language, comes from Maghreb, it's a kind of an arabized berber language imported during the invasion of Italy by Hannibal. It's been spoken in Southern Europe, not too far from Africa...
@elyurita , basques invaded spain are you stupid or what?
everybody says that you have to be there to speak about something, well i am and i am definilitly with basque people. freadom to the basque country now!!!
Yes Orson Wells was interested in this little corner os Spain. His opinion supports basque indepedence, for me is as reliable as his "invasion of mars" radio transmission. Surreal biased and undocumented. Bismiallah. Hispano-swiss.
So if all the Basques are killers and you identify them with the death, all the Spanish are killers and racists who killed the American Indians and made bussiness with Africans doing them slaves. If you can generalize, everybody can do. Ah, and if stone lifting or trees cutting did an indutry stronger than spanish, and basque lifestyle higher than spanish, maybe it is not so basic as you think
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This damn basque racist pseudo-mythology has been causing bloodshed in Spain for more than 30 years. As for their claim of being the most ancient people around, do you know what forms of high culture they have produced since Adam's days? They've had plenty of time, so one could expect something great. The answer is: Stone lifting and wood chopping, both supreme manifestations of the human spirit. And let's not forget the basque language, the worst sounding language you'll ever hear.
I am currently studying Medieval History and I am fully interested in the details of your thesis of the basque invasion of Spain. I would really appreciate if you told me when and how it happened, which part of Sapain they invaded, but , over all...
@arranobeltzaz They say that, south basque country, in where the castilian romance where created, invade and reconquered the south of spain, where they spread this romance etc. Errekonkista euskaldunek egin omen zuten hauen eritziz.
Castile was never born in the Basque Country, the medieval County of Castile was an area that included Cantabria, north of Burgos and Palencia provinces, La Rioja and the Basque province of Álava (that's why Treviño is Castilian regardless of the PNV's campaigns to turn it into Basque. What today is Gipuzkoa and Bizkaia federated themselves with Castile in the Middle Ages because Castile granted their uses and traditions by means of anti-feudal Casilian laws: the "fueros"
@antippasti La rioja and north-east burgos were basque provinces, nowadays known castillian romance, were the evolution of latin that those basques spoke in 8-9-10 centuries together with the basque language they use to speak. The official history is very nice and very interested to be false, I don´t accept it. Thank you.
Logroño and north east Burgos never ever were part of the Basque Country, unless we take mythology as history, something Basque nationalists are used to do. Even we could argue for ages about the Basque province of Álava being really Basque or Castilian. On top of that, if is is said that Castilian was born in La Rioja is just because first manuscripts in Castilian were found there, but the language was born in southern Cantabria and north of Burgos and Palencia.
@antippasti Yes north east burgos and rioja were basques. The fact that basques create the latin evolution nowadays known as castilian romance (basques are and were who have/had basque culture and traditions), it is said even by spanish professors, here the president of cervantes institute, director of the spanish national library: the spanish Juaristi Linacero. 0-1:32 min triplewyoutubedotcom .......... /watch?v=LaI8yLifS8g
Castilian quickly expanded south and eastwards. One thing is to say Castilian has some mild influence from Euskara (and vice versa) whis is just normal, being neighboring languages, and another thing is to say it comes from the latin spoken by "Basques from La Rioja". That is like saying Arab spoken in Morocco comes from the way Basques spoke Arab, as everybody knows Morocco was a Basque province long ago. Mythology is OK to feed immagination, but has nothing to do with histrory
El conocido intelectual Orson Welles se enfrenta, pues, a las tesis de los aficionados Unamuno, Pidal o Sánchez Albornoz, a la realidad histórica protagonizada por los ¿inexistentes? Baroja, Maeztu, Elcano, Legazpi, Lezo o Zumalacárregui y, cómo no, a la ¿manipulada constatación? de que los vascones habitaban la actual Navarra, y no la actual Vasconia. Y por supuesto, Franco perseguía sañudamente estos brillantes documentales... La oligofrenia no conoce límites. Pobre España.
En ese sentido, la nación catalana y la vasca tienen tanto derecho a tener un Estado propio como lo tiene la nación española. No es un derecho "social", es nacional y te repito que es un principio democrático. Hay mucha teoría política entorno a ésto, abre algún libro y sal de tu cueva mental.
Es un derecho, pero no diria que es una necesidad. Apoyo el derecho de autodeterminacion de los euskaldunak, pero no veo como su situacion se mejore sin que puedan tomar decisiones mas libres, sin la intromision de los extremistas de ambos lados.
la nación española no existe como tal, es la unión de las naciones que la componen: nación castellana, nación galaico astur-leonesa, nación extremeño-andaluza, nación catalano.aragonesa y nación vascongada... jamás kla nación española puede ser puesta en iguales términos que la nación vasca o catalana porque las engloba
@antippasti. Tú no sabes ni dónde estás pinado, paisano. Mira qué decir "nación andaluza-extremeña"... ya me dirás qué coño tiene que ver el valle del Jerte con Doñana, o Tierra de Barros con la sierra de Segura. Que España alberga muchas culturas, tradiciones y costumbres es innegable, y eso es lo que la hace especial. Pero hay muchas más cosas que nos unen que las que nos separan: no se te olvide.
@Macrute me puede explicar usted esos derechos? Tendria yo derecho, siendo diferente a la mayor parte de los habitantes de mi ciudad, a independizar mi barrio?
Depende lo que entiendas por pais vasco_ Depende delo que entiendas por ser español, desde luego mi corazon y el de otros miles no tienen cabida en españa ni en francia, sean de la CAV, navarra o el labort y a eso hay que darle una solucion. Para eso negociar y buscar una salida razonable. Libertad!
De donde puede venir la soberania de los pueblos y las naciones? Tu estas loco amigo, que aceptas solo la soberania de estados eximperialistas e actualmente fascistas como españa, asi se da la soberania para ti? Que locura.
Ya te he dicho que yo me govierno a mi mismo y quiero crear una sociedad con los que yo quiera para vivir y governarnos juntos.
Me gustaria oir de vez en cuando alguna critica por tu parte sobre los estados como francia, espa;a. Como se han creado, como funcionan, y si eso hoy en dia es legitimo y no mis aspiraciones de crear un estado entre los vascos.
truly the situation of Basques is better comparable in Ireland before its independence with the difference that the country-Basque is necessary in Spain and not the opposite, therefore with U.E. situation evolved towards an economic and cultural grouping with Gascony and an estrangement of the Iberian zone.
This is called regionalization and his danger is to recreate ancient viable countries by supposing that it is a danger
Hahahaha another coincidence, Argentinian-fascist posting at exactly the same time as RobertdeScreamingRetard, again. Oh poor, ignorant little fascist, you really are pathetic. What's the matter? Did you think posting the same dribble I've already slapped down on another account using the same bad English, would work? Did you think it would make your same know-nothing comments suddenly more credible?
Having utterly destroyed you both on this comment section, and again when you tried to hide your stupidity by taking it to private messaging, I'm done.
You can live with the shame, keep it bottled up inside, knowing how utterly embarrassing and foolish you really are. In future, maybe you'll think twice before expressing such ignorant opinions, and actually think about, and research the things you want to discuss :-)
yeap ive been reading your comments. if something piss me off is to see an english dyckhead trying to solve international human rights while they have their own shit perfuming the world.if we had the half of the rights that basques have ,we wouldnt be so aggressive but the fascist english establishment is historically deep rooted
Yawn. More trolling from an Argentine fascist, who thinks Franco and his nationalist scum bags were 'good for Spain' haha. Who thinks Basques are the same as Spaniards and Frenchmen. Idiot.
Robert, I'm only half English, whereas you are clearly full-retard. Your argument is thus = the mistakes of past British people, prevents people born generations later, from having an opinion? Good argument, fucktard.
If the Basques had independence, like the Republic of Ireland, then you could talk.
Since the Basque situation is analogous to the state of Ireland prior to 1920, and Irish Home Rule, and NOT NORTHERN IRELAND, you screaming imbecile, comparing the Basque struggle to Northern Ireland just compounds your stupidity. If you'd read half of the fascist dribble that Argentiniximo was coming out with, you wouldn't be his butt boy =)
Look at this way, the Irish at least have an independent state, the Basques do not. Until they do, shut the fuck up.
And Argentiniximo, stop posting on another account, just because I raped you in private, and even after you said you'd stop talking. You're such a dire little fascist =)
robert dont stress up with this prick he just affirmed that north ireland was simply part of england and at the sametime was critisizing the basque autonomy as something illegal. the prick is a mess
THE ONLY COMFUSED HERE IS YOUR PRICKY little head: )NO LEGALITIES CAN CONSIDER THE FUCKING ENGLISH HISTORICALLY ILLEGAL OCCUPATION AS SOMETHING LEGALL COMPTEMPT YOU FUCKING SUCK BOY BETTER KEEP QUIET
Oh dear. Look's like someone has their capslock key on! All rational people better keep quiet! Hahahahaha.
Well as much as you agree with me, unfortunately the rest of the world, for 'legality's sake', consider the illegal occupation, 'legal'.
Once again, you're still confused. If you could read, rather than nerd-raging out at your keyboard, you'd have noticed that at no point, did I say the British occupation of N. Ireland was legitimate or morally acceptable. Keep your mouth shut, retard =)
The United Fucking Nations says so. So does the E.U. the USA, and the rest of the world. But you still need to calm down. You're confusing 'legality' with 'being right' =)
I'm totally in favour of giving Northern Ireland a referendum to decide whether it wishes to remain part of the UK, or to join back with the Republic of Ireland. Self-determination is the right of all peoples.
comptent foryou stop with your shit about basques and try to work out the north irish situation.north ireland is not brittish not royal not kaiser ,but IRISH
Calm down. Northern Ireland IS Irish, but it's still legally part of the United Kingdom, and hence under 'British' rule.
It's just another legacy of British empire building. But at no point have I said N. Ireland shouldn't be part of the Republic of Ireland, or that the people there aren't Irish. Don't jump to wild conclusions please ^^
You keep talking about medication... I can only assume this is because you're used to taking pills that help your mental retardation. /selfowned hahahahaha. Please, let's keep this going, I do enjoy schooling young, ignorant little fascists like yourself.
Do you like democracy little argie-bargie? Or does it still not quite make sense to you and your people's fascist mentality? =)
the most powerfull basque bank has allready pronounce it self saying that the independence of the basque country would mean the ruine and they dont support it.and basques have been historically inside spain .all this new phenomeno of independence and nationalisme started with SABINO ARANA who is the father of basque nacionalisme google it and youl find out
Yes, this argument was also made prior to the establishment of the Republic of Ireland in 1920. But have you noticed? Smaller nations like Belgium, Switzerland, Luxembourg, and Holland all prosper, despite their small size? And given that the Basque country is the most prosperous region in Spain, your argument is again, imbecilic, and typically fascist. The fact that you quote the comments of a single bank, as speaking for the Basque economy makes you a bigger retard than I thought previously =)
The Basque people have not always been historically inside Spain, because as I established earlier, there NEVER used to be nation states in Europe. The Basques existed as a people before the Spanish-French Indo-European people arrived, for many hundreds, and hundreds of years.
Basque nationalism has existed for as long as foreigners have attempted to govern the Basques. When you understand this simple concept, you will shut up and apologise for your stupidity =)
last try to make u understand that more than the half of the basque population dont want the independece even the pnv stops asking for autodetermination referendum during ellections cause inside this party there is a big confrontation on this matter and the pnv sure would loose a big number of votes and politicians there has allready been desertions to other partys
You are a know-nothing, you know nothing about Basque history, and you know nothing about Basque politics. The fact that you think a majority of Basques don't want independence, despite a majority always voting for nationalist parties, tells me you're an idiot. It tells me you don't understand how the electoral system works, and it tells me that you don't understand that there is something called national Spanish politics. The PNV are conservatives, you are still a retard =)
did you grow up with that slogan stocked in your personality?"YOU ARE RETARD"is it what your mother used to call you?come on free your sef from that handycup after all we have a lot of fun with your fantastic arguments.you really have a future in the circus eh! off course as an intelectual.
one more thing arrogant piece of shit whenever you want now that you critiziced the argentinians culture level you could ask me any questions (like for example why you are such shit)in spanish
Hahahahahahaha. Your English is shit. Perhaps this is why you struggle to understand basic arguments? No, too easy, you're just a retard.
Basque independence AIMS to be like the Republic of Ireland, because right NOW, they ARE like Scotland/Wales/N.Ireland. You denied this, which makes you a retard.
And I'll repeat again, there was no concept of 'nationhood' when the Basque regions were independent, you IGNORANT spaz. Learn basic history, or don't bother posting.
Why is it funny? At least Britain has made moves to give them regional forms of autonomy. Just look at Scotland and Wales too, little fool =)
You've also clearly misunderstood the concept of the United Kingdom. It's made up of 4 states : England/ Wales / Scotland / Ireland. The problem is that the English have the central government locked down, given their superior number. Retard.
but who let you run away from the farm so now this asshole thinks that the basque country should be like the republic of ireland hahahaha you dont even know who were the carlistas
The Basque country should be an individual, sovereign, independent state, LIKE the Republic of Ireland, because the Irish situation 80 years ago so closely mirrors the Basque one today. If you don't see the parallels, this is your problem (because you're a screaming, ignorant retard). You think so short term, I pity you.
i just waisted time because your stupidness is a provocation how many times shal i repeat you that what is now the basque country (navarra,alava,guipuzcoa,vizkaya lapurdi and zuberoa) has never been a country .before they were independent between eachother NUT!!!
asshole i was discussing the north irish autonomy why do you think i was calling north ireland an autonomy .you started critizacing the situation of basque country and comparing it with the irish the only comparition someone coul do is with north ireland not with south ireland
You confused Northern Ireland with Southern Ireland, because you're a moron that can't read. You also confused basic concepts like autonomy and independence. This is also because you are a crazed, Argentinian fascist, who knows nothing about Basques, or Basque history. Shoo, internet troll.
well finally you understanf how fool youve been comparing north ireland with basque country next time i wont waist time explaining you history rights and discernement
Yes, English people make up 'their own bullshit'. Just like every other nation. Like the Spanish, who are so ignorant and full of shit, that they consider an ethnic group far older than themselves, to be like them, as a pretext to dominate them.
Just like the full of shit, retard Argentinians, who fooled themselves into thinking they could take on Britain, in the late 20th century. Please, keep living in your fantasy land. See how far it gets you and your ignorant kind =)
the paramilitars (english unionist army)killed with total impunity of justice and the north irish autonomy is been supressed when ever the english gouvernement considered convenient
You're still massively confused. We're talking about the Republic of Ireland, not Northern Ireland. Again, if you can't understand this simple difference, this is your problem; not mine.
The Basque nation must have a 'Republic' like the Irish, independent from Spanish rule, not regional autonomy, which is what the Scottish, Welsh, and Northern Irish have, retard. You're such a confused little fascist aren't you?
the pseudo north irish state is a fallacy and depends on what the english gouvernement dictates. they will never allow north ireland to be unified with south ireland.finally north ireland dont even have the 10 per cent of the competences of self autonomy that basque land has.there is no autonomy in europe as strong as the basque one
Eh? North Irish state? THAT ISNT THE IRISH STATE, RETARD.
You don't even KNOW what the Republic of Ireland is, do you? There's a whole other 3/4 of Ireland hahahaha.
The Basques demand parity with the Republic of Ireland, that is an independent state. Northern Ireland is simply a part of the UK, your stupidity and confusion of the issues is startling.
The Irish were granted Home Rule in 1920, that was the creation of the independent Irish state. You are a moron.
hehe you talk about grasp but you seem to have a virgin brain and whole area to start grasping just incase you have brain.its clear that you are a noughty freaky asshole that wants to have some relevance but im not gonna give you that chance if someone does its not my problem good luck.you dont even know your brittish history so what else could i talk withyou than beeeee.you might have been contaminated from an english crazy cow
Yet more empty, ignorant rhetoric. You have been exposed for the know-nothing retard that you are. I blame the failing Argentinian education system. Shoo, internet troll =)
basque country which is a very different reality than the ireland one which truly was a formed independent country.eventhough basques have much ,more autonomy than what irish have in england.boy give up studies cause you were born to work the farm under vigilance.Bye
You really are stupid. The Irish were an independent nation before the British invaded them, and annexed their lands, just as the Basque peoples were, for HUNDREDS of years before the Spanish or French even existed.
The IRISH have their OWN STATE. How stupid can you be? Can you not grasp the difference between a fully independent STATE and a 'semi-autonomous region'?
The reality is the same, the Spanish are just 80 years behind the British.
Don't talk about things you clearly don't understand
you know boy you are the biggest english freak ass on youtube that wants to participate in a foreign problem and you dont even have brain to look on your pockets full of english shit.bytheway do you think that england new world orther father country you have democracy jajajaja england is the microchip country .your country sustains a monarchy of murders who killed their princess (diana) in front of the eyes of the whole world and all because she was pregnant from a muslim guy
Ahahahaha you're such a dribbler. You really don't know what you're talking about. Babbling more conspiracy theory stupidity, and still confusing British imperialism 200 years ago, with modern democracy. You really need to move with the times little Argentine fascist =)
What are you talking about? As a British person, I CAN talk about these issues, because my country was either indirectly or directly responsible for many of the problems in world affairs today. If you had a brain you'd recognise that. If you had a brain, you'd be able to grasp basic concepts, rather than spouting utter shite in your very poor English.
Argentinians should be seen, and not heard. Go back to fascist land, little retard. Don't trouble us with your stupidity again hahaha.
where are the hopis cheyenes sioux pawnees and all the different indians that used to live in north america?where are the millions or australian originals where are the blacks and whats up with the land of zulus and so on it could take me the whole day what about new zeland and the maoris discrimination with all their young people absolutly waisted on drugs cause they lost their past link with their culture and their ancestors and this the few that are still alive.
jajajaja asshole you should ask your self how many naturals are still alive to even have a true participation on anything of their new transformed country with english people around
one more lesson to my silly nut boy basque land has much more independence rights from spain than what ireland could ever dream to have from england and now go and wank on the corner
As an aside, to help you again understand how ignorant you are, I'll demonstrate to you why this is another unsubstantiated, retarded assertion.
The Republic of Ireland, IS A COUNTRY. They do not answer to Britain. They are not 'semi-autonomous' like the Basque region. They are FULLY autonomous. A STATE.
The Basque region is NOT an independent state, like Ireland. In fact, if you paid attention, Ireland is an example of what Basques aspire to in terms of nationhood. Idiot.
jajajaJA!!! the brittish empire who finished with half a planet(south africans-north american indians-australian aborigines-new zeland maoris-indians they are an example of freedom and democracy,GLOUP
Blah blah blah. Whine whine whine. British Empire did terrible things, nobody is denying this. You've stupidly assumed I'm defending something that they did over 100 years ago. You're also attempting fallaciously to link modern Britain and its form of democracy, with past imperialism. This also, makes you a retard. (As an aside, what form of government does Australia/New Zealand/ S. Africa/ Canada/ USA/ India/Israel have now?) :-)
ladies and gentleman i have the honour to introduce you to the democrat humanist who support the terrorisme of the killers of ETA which two months a go killed a basque man of 72 years old just because he was working on the project of a train for the benefit of the basques.you asshole get the fuck out of the net right now
Thank you for admitting I was right, by avoiding rational argument, and attempting to slander me as a supporter of ETA. I guess that's the only way crazed, fascists know how to debate :-(
Take your ignorant, emotional pleas somewhere else. So far you've attempted to call me an imperialist, a terrorist supporter, and denied the factual electoral results of the Basque regional elections. You truly are an embarrassing excuse for a human being.
You're clearly a fool, assuming far too many things without actually understanding or knowing. I'm a democrat, and a humanist. You are not. This is why you still don't understand the right of self-determination for the Basques. This doesn't surprise me though, Argentinians aren't a very democratic people (or very educated either hahahaha).
Now I'm done, you've been thoroughly proven wrong, and shown to be the vacuous idiot that you are. I'll let you go away & think about what we've discussed =)
jeje the facts speaks for themselves but you speak from your ass give it up boy and dont be ridiculous with inventions today europe nows enough about the hell that terrorisme creates in basque land
You can keep spouting rhetoric and more Spanish fascist lies. The voting results speak for themselves, as does the persistence of Basque culture and language, and the very existence of the Basque Autonomic Government.
The irony is that you think the Spanish have a right to use violence to keep the Basques in line, but that the Basques have no right to either express themselves politically, or use force to defend their right to self-determination. You truly are a little fascist Argentine =)
jeje this two banned parties gave all the votes to the nacionalist parties and they were banned precisely because in spain there is a democracy who dont let terrorist who extorsion and kill have any propaganda
Britain has a longer democratic tradition, and even with the troubles in Ireland, they never banned Sinn Fein (the political wing of the IRA, with much closer ties). Spain is not a democracy, their 'democracy' is fascistic, it's the only way they know. The political parties were not terrorists, they ran DEMOCRATICALLY. Try to keep up.
Secondly, 9% of the 15% SPOILED their ballots, out of disgust. The other 6% didn't even vote. Look at voter turnout, then again, tell me I was right, idiot.
jajajaja again mister disneyworld you should ask your self why the next lehendakari is going to be patxi lopez..my dear ignorant flipper the berbers of north africa are a white race.i can only say that if basques were like you would surely be different from europeans cause they would be stupids
Yawn. You're off in fantasy world. 52% of the popular vote went to nationalist parties, but the electoral system is not strictly proportional, and they were rewarded with only 48% of the seats in the Basque parliament. You can try to ignore that as much as you like, but the facts speak for themselves. The majority were with the nationalists as they have been for the last 30 years. The Spanish know this, it's why they banned Herri Batasuna, and its 2 linked parties.
That isn't even counting that well over a third of Basque voters are so disillusioned with the farcically termed 'democratic elections' that they don't even bother to vote. When you realise this, you'll understand why Basque nationalism has majority support.
Again, we've already established you know nothing about Basque origins. Keep whining about berbers, but let me know when you understand that Basques are not Indo-Europeans, and this fact alone proves their distinctness from Spanish/French.
in the basque eleccions the winners are the non independentist basques so shut up and bytheeway in basque land the only dictature is the one of ETA which anulate the right of every basque to express his self
Basque nationalists won 52% of the popular vote, but only won 48% of the seats. That's because the electoral system is undemocratic. Idiot. The Spanish fascists were so "democratic" and "not scared of Basque freedom" that they banned 2 of the Basque nationalist parties, that usually achieve 15% of the vote. Retard.
Yes, that's intelligent, call the equivalent to the IRA a "dictator". ETA is not a 'dictator' because they don't rule anything. You clearly don't even know what a dictator is.
ETA blowing up occupying foreigners is not denying any Basques the right to express themselves. Spanish fascists banning 2 political parties is directly ANNULLING the right of every Basque to express themselves. Unlucky, dipshit.
Most ironically for an Argentinian, is that you don't know what a dictator is =) Considering that Britain kicked your fascist country's ass around 20 years ago, I'm surprised you don't know what one is.
what you are telling is part of the nacionalist propaganda who do their best to try to hide the real african roots of their country and every thing because of their racist complex
Hahahahahahaha yes, Basques are Africans, that's why they're WHITE. Goddamn you're a moron. Do you even think about what you say, or does it just spill out uncontrollably?
Nationalist propaganda? Explaining why Basques are different to other Europeans is scientific and historical fact, not propaganda. The shitty diatribes you're spouting, is pure Francoist, assimilation rhetoric, and re-writing history. How hilarious, that you didn't answer the last 2 questions about the civil war =)
jajajaja so you were there before the romans to know how this land was called what a asshole you should know that the what is now the basque land was crowded of celtics who were different than basques basques were part of the troops of anival who invaded the pyrenees on the way to fight against rome
Why would I need to have been there? Archaeologists and ancient historians have already TOLD US that Basques predate EVERYONE in Europe. Basques predate the Celts. Seriously, why do you bother typing up such obvious lies? Are you so desperate to convince yourself that Basques are the same? Poor, desperate fool.
Please, use the only tool you know, wikipedia. It tells you how long Basques are KNOWN to have lived in the region. Look up 'IndoEuropeans', & then Basque origins. Then tell me I'm right
you make me laugh it seems that you want to invent the history of the basques but any way nice try.but please dont lie infront of people and what ever you say wikipedia is much more clever than any fantasy you want to make us believe dumb ass
but what a nut you dont no what you say and it seems that you dont want to understand forget about indoeuropeans there is nothing to do with that the first name of basque land was vasconia and that is when the romans first invaded the basque land .the term euskal herria didnt come till 1600
Vasconia is the first name FOREIGNERS gave the land. You really are stuck in your own tiny little fantasy world aren't you? You might not want to understand it, but the Basques have been in the same place, for thousands of years. They were there before the Indo-European Spaniards and French people. The real first name of the Basque Country is whatever the Basques living there called it, which presumably nobody really knows because there are no recordings of it. Their history was verbal. Unlucky.
How is that Orson Wells in a 7 minute video understands something so simple that you fail to grasp? Is it because your imbecilic Argentine fascist mentality simply can't grasp differentiation? Or the right to freedom and democracy?
You need to start thinking in a much bigger picture. Anyway I'm done arguing with 13 year old retards, go and do some research before you start dribbling on youtube comment sections. Idiot.
clean your eyes ive never said that basques didnt live here before 1512 i said that they didnt have a united country they were independent between them
There were no 'countries' before 1512 retard. My god, you're so ignorant. Please, stop talking. You clearly have no idea what 'context' is, or anything about European history or the rise of the modern state. Shoo back to your angry, Spanish retard hole and keep dreaming that Basques are 'the same' as Indo-Europeans haha. Idiot. Let me guess, you think Franco winning the civil war was a good thing? Forcing different ethnic minorities to remain part of a larger whole without consent was awesome?
basques were independent from eachother guipuzcoa never belonged to navarra basques didnt ever form a country it was when they pass to form a part of spain when they asked some conditions like the fueros but that dont say nothing else than that.
Oh dear. You are aware that the Basque Country was not a legal state in the European system, and that Basques have never needed a 'legal conception' of statehood until their Indo-European neighbours thought it was a cool idea and started pinching all the land? You're ignorance astounds me. Do you even know what Euskalerria even translates to?
The Basques were united by a common culture, ethnicity, and language. They NEVER needed to have a legal state like their Indo-European neighbours. It's only in the last hundred years when they've been oppressed that they realised the importance of the concept of the legal, national state like everyone else. What don't you understand? Every people have the right to self-determination and democracy, and they want it, as demonstrated by the fact the majority always vote for nationalist parties.
orson wells didnt know a shit about my people cause im basque.the basque roots are in north africa and our origins are berbers even if the basques dont like it thats the truth.finally ill tell you that the biggest part of basques dont want the independence from spain
Wrong again. Science and genetic research had advanced since George Orwell made this video, I'm sorry you missed those advances. You clearly aren't a Basque, but another Spanish retard troll.
If you'd paid attention, you'd have seen that for every election in the Basque region, nationalist parties have held the majority of the vote. Unlucky. So much so, that the fascist Spaniards have had to ban 2 of their nationalist parties to cheat in the elections this March, fool.
basques were the ones who in 1512 conquered the navarra kingdom for the castillian king the catholic.the duke of alba was the captain of guipuzcoanos vizcainos alaveses and navarros beaumonteses at the orders of the king of castilla.LEARN HISTORY
And again, your lacking historical education is apparent, stop using wikipedia, and actually learn something. Basques existed far before 1512, how can you be so ignorant? Go and see how long Basques have been living in the Iberian peninsula, then go and see when the Indo-Europeans (SPANISH / FRENCH) arrived. Don't talk about things you don't know anything about please.
basques like EL CANO-ZAMUDIO-LOPE DE AGUIRRE-PASCUAL DE ANDAGOYA conqueror of peru with PIZARRO-the basque boats from vizcaya were the ones who dominate the sea before england and create the terror to the english army
You've still labouring this idea, and entirely missing the point. Well done, Basques have traditionally been party to French and Spanish expeditions. It was a Basque that fully circumnavigated the globe, on a Spanish ship, when the Spanish captain died. Just like it was through the ESA (European Space Agency) that the first Basque entered space.
basque language comes from ancient tamazigh bereber language blood rh is very high in bereber population as it is in the basque people the folk txalaparta drums made of wood comes from africa the significative basque yell irrintzi is the same one as the one of berebers
Right, it's also the same as people living on the other side of the Atlantic. Stop trolling youtube comment pages with utter shite. Nothing you've said has been sustained by evidence or fact, you're making wild links without any scientific proof, shut up.
Welles i wrong,Basque Country is in Spain, it isn't a independent country, but their population have a different culture than the spanish,but they too speak spanish, THEY ARE SPANISH!!
yes, thats true. being spanish is the same as being british. The vascos are not castilians, who are the people of the kingdom of Spain that imposed its language to the others, but they are spanish the same way scottish and english people are british
Wrong, being Spanish is the same as being English. The English were just smarter, and made an 'umbrella' term to include their conquered neighbours (Welsh, Irish, and Scots). The Spanish were not. They foolishly insisted on claiming that the Basques were the same as they were, when even a casual glance at factual history, and common sense analysis of their totally different language and ethnicity would have told them otherwise.
contempt basques come from north africa they have bereber origins like many people in spain.basques have allways been part of spain throughout their history.since the roman occupation basque names have been filling up the history of spain please dont talk about something that you seem to ignore
You're dribbling. Spanish people are Indo-European, just like ALL the other Europeans living here. Basques have co-existed with the French and Spanish, just as they had with the Romans, etc. This does not change the fact that Spanish culture and history is separate, why Spanish language is not even comparable, or their Indo-European ethnicity. Please, don't talk about things you don't know about. It's embarrassing.
As for "Basque names have been filling up the history of Spain", the same is true of France. That isn't a coincidence, there's bound to be an overlapping if they've been living in the same geographical area. You mistake overlap, for sameness. This is presumably also part of your problem, in that you fail to recognise the Basques as a separate people because of your ignorance, and consequently fail to see that Basques also demand the right to democratic self-determination.
boy where do you inform your self? it must be in disney library .basques have allways been united to spain only a few influences from france at the time of navarra kingdom but that didnt last a moment in history.the basques weve been at the service of the spanish crown since the concept of country was established and we were fighting against the enemy of spain in all wars.
Basques were a culture, a community, a people, and had a language, before Spanish people even existed. You think so short-term in history, this is your problem, and ignorance. If you actually knew anything about modern history, you'd know that Basques agreed to side with the dominant power of the era, in exchange for the guarantee of their Fueros, that is, their own capacity to make LAWS, and live in their own way.
Wrong. The Basque Country is 'legally' in Spain, but it's not Spanish. 50% speak Basque, soon this will be 100%. The Basque Country is also 'legally' in France. Basques are culturally, linguistically, and ethnically distinct to both the French and Spanish. They are neither, they are Basque. Learn the difference please, don't just use simple-minded explanations.
FREE MY BEAUTIFUL BASQUE COUNTRY!!!!
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The Basques are the original europeans and 80% of europeans descend from them.Etruscans were ethnic Basques and these people founded rome n taught the romans everything yet the romans took all the credit and glory wtf the basques created the 1st known civilization n now to finally drop ur jaw they also created egypt,mesopotamia,the indus valley n troy...enough said....research it if u think i am off my rocker.....
BasqueLandNorthSpain 9 months ago
Greetings from Hawaii, Basque people! I hope to visit you someday.
hawaiidispenser 11 months ago
That should have read the descendants of the stone raisers fought off the roman legions.
Picts with pictish blood.
greenmagoos 1 year ago
My Father is Basque and watching this makes me very proud thank you for posting. Gora Euskadi!
bradgotch 1 year ago
Basque country,france? wtf
XJorgeLorenzoSpain1X 1 year ago
@XJorgeLorenzoSpain1X wtf debería decirlo yo porque acaso no has oído lo que es el País Vasco francés?? Está en el departamento de los Pirineos Atlánticos junto al Bearn. Estos dos territorios piden un departamento propio.
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Los independentistas tiran piedras sobre su propio tejado cuando dicen que España no es una nación simplemente por el hecho de ser un territorio plurilingüe ya que Cataluña también es bilingüe y no tiene por tanto (según los argumentos de los propios independentistas) los elementos necesarios para ser una nación.
Paracelso86 1 year ago
Basque language is said to come from the Caucus region, or at least be related to it somehow. The Basque people however are indigenous to the region. They are the oldest inhabitants of Europe. They are descended from the refuge population that lived in the Iberian Peninsula during the Last Glacial Maximum -- over 10k years ago. During the Holocene some dispersed throughout the rest of Iberia and onto the British Isles. The rest, of course, stayed in what came to be known as Basque Country.
IAmSoRich 1 year ago
During the last Glacial Period Europeans migrated south & east. A small pocket of migrants headed south west into Iberia. When the ice retreated the Indo -Europeans migratated west & north in substantial numbers. The Basques in southern Iberia mixed with new Indo-Europeans, but other Basques migrated north in the Atlantic regions & many migrated to Britain & Ireland via western France. 90%of British dna is not Germanic but Iberian. The Germanics only dominated Britain & gave us a their language
ALBIONTYKE 1 year ago
@ALBIONTYKE
And how exactly are english anglo-saxons the same as celts native to Briton and Ireland when hun barbarians invaded Germany and large parts of europe beginning the 4 th century ?
English saxons have got remarkably similar dna to Frisian dutch but its remarkably different to welsh?
How is it remarkably different to the welsh?
The English are Germans The Welsh are real Britons
watch?v=j617mImHVvk
greenmagoos 1 year ago
@greenmagoos The Celts, ,Anglo-Saxons, Vikings & Normans all dominated parts of this island but NEVER were a majority of the population anywhere in Britain. Contrary to many peoples old beliefs & folk-law, the Celts first migrated here in AD 450 onwards & gave the natives the language( La Tenn & Halsdat tribes ) from what is now France & Belgium. The Brythonics the real Ancient Britons, had been here thousands of years. Before the Anglo-Saxons, Cumbraic was spoken from the Forth to the Humber
ALBIONTYKE 1 year ago
@greenmagoos 2/ cont.. Hence the name of the Peak Pen-y Ghent in Yorkshire & the town Penrith in Cumbria. Frisian dna is not similar to English dna. The Frisian language is like old English & that is the only connection. Again the Germanic tribes dominated & gave the language but the ancient Britons did not run west as previously thought. Modern DNA test have proved this beyond doubt. For reference Google any of the Oppenheimer research pages available.
ALBIONTYKE 1 year ago
@ALBIONTYKE
Why is that channel 4 news report saying english anglo-saxons dna is remarkably different to Welsh?
What do you label the native peoples here that raised the standing stones and whose ancestors fought the romans 4,5 centuries before anglo-saxons invaded?
Do huns who migrated into modern germany beginning the 4 th century have any influence on anglo-saxon dna because I know blood group 'o' and rhesus negative was to be found among the raisers of stonehenge?
greenmagoos 1 year ago
@ALBIONTYKE
The basques here have one of the highest recorded %'s of rhesus negative blood type among the population and it can also be found in ireland, scottish highlands and islands, wales.
greenmagoos 1 year ago
@greenmagoos. Por favor, hombre... que los Reyes Magos son los padres, colega!!
19franken95 8 months ago
No, this is basque language, comes from Maghreb, it's a kind of an arabized berber language imported during the invasion of Italy by Hannibal. It's been spoken in Southern Europe, not too far from Africa...
nanako0590 1 year ago
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gorkawaka 9 months ago
THe film is playing quickly, thus Orson's voice is getting a bit thinner...this needs to be slowed down somehow.
sclogse1 1 year ago
Le pays basque est vraiment le plus beau pays du monde . Maite zitugu Euskal herria <3
noreu64ab 1 year ago
@elyurita , basques invaded spain are you stupid or what?
everybody says that you have to be there to speak about something, well i am and i am definilitly with basque people. freadom to the basque country now!!!
19aue 1 year ago 2
this is so cool!
CrazyNative4 1 year ago
Who is the woman being interviewed?
j5bogdas 1 year ago
goraaa EUSKADII!!!!
Lunnury 1 year ago
Yes Orson Wells was interested in this little corner os Spain. His opinion supports basque indepedence, for me is as reliable as his "invasion of mars" radio transmission. Surreal biased and undocumented. Bismiallah. Hispano-swiss.
elyurita 1 year ago
those interested in my answering myself: 1955
Dtchmastrkilla7 1 year ago
was this documentary made when Franco was in power? looks early 60s to me.
Dtchmastrkilla7 1 year ago
So if all the Basques are killers and you identify them with the death, all the Spanish are killers and racists who killed the American Indians and made bussiness with Africans doing them slaves. If you can generalize, everybody can do. Ah, and if stone lifting or trees cutting did an indutry stronger than spanish, and basque lifestyle higher than spanish, maybe it is not so basic as you think
ladylavanda 2 years ago
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This damn basque racist pseudo-mythology has been causing bloodshed in Spain for more than 30 years. As for their claim of being the most ancient people around, do you know what forms of high culture they have produced since Adam's days? They've had plenty of time, so one could expect something great. The answer is: Stone lifting and wood chopping, both supreme manifestations of the human spirit. And let's not forget the basque language, the worst sounding language you'll ever hear.
kiasmus 2 years ago
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gorkawaka 9 months ago
convincing theories garden or evil or th devil? lol
kakaze 2 years ago
i love the Basque culture!
asa818 2 years ago 8
me too
i have cycled the whole of spain and lived in a few parts but i love the basques
FACTUNTHJU 2 years ago
Despite my respect for the unique culture, the basques moved onto the wrong corner of europe... Spain. Leave Spain.
elyurita 2 years ago
watch the video man, spain moved onto the basques
kakaze 2 years ago
I respect your view though, my degree in medieval history clearly asserts it was an invasion in its full sense. Still, basque is unique race.
elyurita 2 years ago
@elyurita ,
I am currently studying Medieval History and I am fully interested in the details of your thesis of the basque invasion of Spain. I would really appreciate if you told me when and how it happened, which part of Sapain they invaded, but , over all...
Where did they come from?
Thanks in advance
arranobeltzaz 1 year ago
@arranobeltzaz They say that, south basque country, in where the castilian romance where created, invade and reconquered the south of spain, where they spread this romance etc. Errekonkista euskaldunek egin omen zuten hauen eritziz.
Kirikolatza1 1 year ago
@Kirikolatza1
Castile was never born in the Basque Country, the medieval County of Castile was an area that included Cantabria, north of Burgos and Palencia provinces, La Rioja and the Basque province of Álava (that's why Treviño is Castilian regardless of the PNV's campaigns to turn it into Basque. What today is Gipuzkoa and Bizkaia federated themselves with Castile in the Middle Ages because Castile granted their uses and traditions by means of anti-feudal Casilian laws: the "fueros"
antippasti 1 year ago
@antippasti La rioja and north-east burgos were basque provinces, nowadays known castillian romance, were the evolution of latin that those basques spoke in 8-9-10 centuries together with the basque language they use to speak. The official history is very nice and very interested to be false, I don´t accept it. Thank you.
Kirikolatza1 1 year ago
@Kirikolatza1
Logroño and north east Burgos never ever were part of the Basque Country, unless we take mythology as history, something Basque nationalists are used to do. Even we could argue for ages about the Basque province of Álava being really Basque or Castilian. On top of that, if is is said that Castilian was born in La Rioja is just because first manuscripts in Castilian were found there, but the language was born in southern Cantabria and north of Burgos and Palencia.
antippasti 1 year ago
@antippasti Yes north east burgos and rioja were basques. The fact that basques create the latin evolution nowadays known as castilian romance (basques are and were who have/had basque culture and traditions), it is said even by spanish professors, here the president of cervantes institute, director of the spanish national library: the spanish Juaristi Linacero. 0-1:32 min triplewyoutubedotcom .......... /watch?v=LaI8yLifS8g
Kirikolatza1 1 year ago
@Kirikolatza1
Castilian quickly expanded south and eastwards. One thing is to say Castilian has some mild influence from Euskara (and vice versa) whis is just normal, being neighboring languages, and another thing is to say it comes from the latin spoken by "Basques from La Rioja". That is like saying Arab spoken in Morocco comes from the way Basques spoke Arab, as everybody knows Morocco was a Basque province long ago. Mythology is OK to feed immagination, but has nothing to do with histrory
antippasti 1 year ago
El conocido intelectual Orson Welles se enfrenta, pues, a las tesis de los aficionados Unamuno, Pidal o Sánchez Albornoz, a la realidad histórica protagonizada por los ¿inexistentes? Baroja, Maeztu, Elcano, Legazpi, Lezo o Zumalacárregui y, cómo no, a la ¿manipulada constatación? de que los vascones habitaban la actual Navarra, y no la actual Vasconia. Y por supuesto, Franco perseguía sañudamente estos brillantes documentales... La oligofrenia no conoce límites. Pobre España.
EmpecinadoCensurado 2 years ago
Y ademas los ensayos no son para este sitio, sino para vuestros periodicos locales.
typacsk 2 years ago
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typacsk 2 years ago
En ese sentido, la nación catalana y la vasca tienen tanto derecho a tener un Estado propio como lo tiene la nación española. No es un derecho "social", es nacional y te repito que es un principio democrático. Hay mucha teoría política entorno a ésto, abre algún libro y sal de tu cueva mental.
Macrute 2 years ago 8
Es un derecho, pero no diria que es una necesidad. Apoyo el derecho de autodeterminacion de los euskaldunak, pero no veo como su situacion se mejore sin que puedan tomar decisiones mas libres, sin la intromision de los extremistas de ambos lados.
typacsk 2 years ago
@Macrute
la nación española no existe como tal, es la unión de las naciones que la componen: nación castellana, nación galaico astur-leonesa, nación extremeño-andaluza, nación catalano.aragonesa y nación vascongada... jamás kla nación española puede ser puesta en iguales términos que la nación vasca o catalana porque las engloba
antippasti 1 year ago
@antippasti. Tú no sabes ni dónde estás pinado, paisano. Mira qué decir "nación andaluza-extremeña"... ya me dirás qué coño tiene que ver el valle del Jerte con Doñana, o Tierra de Barros con la sierra de Segura. Que España alberga muchas culturas, tradiciones y costumbres es innegable, y eso es lo que la hace especial. Pero hay muchas más cosas que nos unen que las que nos separan: no se te olvide.
19franken95 8 months ago
@Macrute y la nacion aranesa tambien no lo olvides
hoselui 1 year ago
@Macrute me puede explicar usted esos derechos? Tendria yo derecho, siendo diferente a la mayor parte de los habitantes de mi ciudad, a independizar mi barrio?
IgnitionZdP 7 months ago
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Marcolopolis5 2 years ago
Neonazi? jajaajaj madre mia que incultura
YONFIG 2 years ago
GORA ETA
apache20ab 2 years ago
ETA, the basque terrorists, is a neonazi group that has killed many children and women in Spain during the past 50 years. FUCK ETA!!!
jumabo08 2 years ago
neonazi?? Estás equivocado, pero es verdad, los nazis y los fascistas son los que mataron mucha gente.
rafagarcia1975 2 years ago
Depende lo que entiendas por pais vasco_ Depende delo que entiendas por ser español, desde luego mi corazon y el de otros miles no tienen cabida en españa ni en francia, sean de la CAV, navarra o el labort y a eso hay que darle una solucion. Para eso negociar y buscar una salida razonable. Libertad!
laureasun 2 years ago 3
De donde puede venir la soberania de los pueblos y las naciones? Tu estas loco amigo, que aceptas solo la soberania de estados eximperialistas e actualmente fascistas como españa, asi se da la soberania para ti? Que locura.
laureasun 2 years ago
Ya te he dicho que yo me govierno a mi mismo y quiero crear una sociedad con los que yo quiera para vivir y governarnos juntos.
Me gustaria oir de vez en cuando alguna critica por tu parte sobre los estados como francia, espa;a. Como se han creado, como funcionan, y si eso hoy en dia es legitimo y no mis aspiraciones de crear un estado entre los vascos.
laureasun 2 years ago
truly wrong what you say martiko let it be let be peace the independence is not the problem of people.
robertdegiro 2 years ago
truly the situation of Basques is better comparable in Ireland before its independence with the difference that the country-Basque is necessary in Spain and not the opposite, therefore with U.E. situation evolved towards an economic and cultural grouping with Gascony and an estrangement of the Iberian zone.
This is called regionalization and his danger is to recreate ancient viable countries by supposing that it is a danger
martiko3 2 years ago
he might be on the toilette looking for his origins.what a scientific
robertdegiro 2 years ago
argentinian where is our cantinflas(comptent)you tube is getting boring with out him
robertdegiro 2 years ago
hahahahahaha comptent for president!!!
argentiniximo 2 years ago
hahaha juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuasssssss
argentiniximo 2 years ago
he is half english and half stupid what nuclear bomb hehe
argentiniximo 2 years ago
comptent dont explain your self is sad to see a retard apologizing for his sad unfair nature ,son we understand you .
robertdegiro 2 years ago
Hahahaha another coincidence, Argentinian-fascist posting at exactly the same time as RobertdeScreamingRetard, again. Oh poor, ignorant little fascist, you really are pathetic. What's the matter? Did you think posting the same dribble I've already slapped down on another account using the same bad English, would work? Did you think it would make your same know-nothing comments suddenly more credible?
You truly are a fool :-)
ContemptForYou 2 years ago 2
Having utterly destroyed you both on this comment section, and again when you tried to hide your stupidity by taking it to private messaging, I'm done.
You can live with the shame, keep it bottled up inside, knowing how utterly embarrassing and foolish you really are. In future, maybe you'll think twice before expressing such ignorant opinions, and actually think about, and research the things you want to discuss :-)
Unlucky retard. Thanks for playing.
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
yeap ive been reading your comments. if something piss me off is to see an english dyckhead trying to solve international human rights while they have their own shit perfuming the world.if we had the half of the rights that basques have ,we wouldnt be so aggressive but the fascist english establishment is historically deep rooted
robertdegiro 2 years ago
Yawn. More trolling from an Argentine fascist, who thinks Franco and his nationalist scum bags were 'good for Spain' haha. Who thinks Basques are the same as Spaniards and Frenchmen. Idiot.
Robert, I'm only half English, whereas you are clearly full-retard. Your argument is thus = the mistakes of past British people, prevents people born generations later, from having an opinion? Good argument, fucktard.
If the Basques had independence, like the Republic of Ireland, then you could talk.
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
Since the Basque situation is analogous to the state of Ireland prior to 1920, and Irish Home Rule, and NOT NORTHERN IRELAND, you screaming imbecile, comparing the Basque struggle to Northern Ireland just compounds your stupidity. If you'd read half of the fascist dribble that Argentiniximo was coming out with, you wouldn't be his butt boy =)
Look at this way, the Irish at least have an independent state, the Basques do not. Until they do, shut the fuck up.
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
And Argentiniximo, stop posting on another account, just because I raped you in private, and even after you said you'd stop talking. You're such a dire little fascist =)
p.s. your English is still shit. Retard.
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
robert dont stress up with this prick he just affirmed that north ireland was simply part of england and at the sametime was critisizing the basque autonomy as something illegal. the prick is a mess
argentiniximo 2 years ago
THE ONLY COMFUSED HERE IS YOUR PRICKY little head: )NO LEGALITIES CAN CONSIDER THE FUCKING ENGLISH HISTORICALLY ILLEGAL OCCUPATION AS SOMETHING LEGALL COMPTEMPT YOU FUCKING SUCK BOY BETTER KEEP QUIET
robertdegiro 2 years ago
Oh dear. Look's like someone has their capslock key on! All rational people better keep quiet! Hahahahaha.
Well as much as you agree with me, unfortunately the rest of the world, for 'legality's sake', consider the illegal occupation, 'legal'.
Once again, you're still confused. If you could read, rather than nerd-raging out at your keyboard, you'd have noticed that at no point, did I say the British occupation of N. Ireland was legitimate or morally acceptable. Keep your mouth shut, retard =)
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
what is that funny?
robertdegiro 2 years ago
hahahaha here is something funny
argentiniximo 2 years ago
who says that is legally ?you fucking bastard english prick ITS A DAMN FUCKING OCCUPATION FREEDOM TO IRELAND!!!
robertdegiro 2 years ago
The United Fucking Nations says so. So does the E.U. the USA, and the rest of the world. But you still need to calm down. You're confusing 'legality' with 'being right' =)
I'm totally in favour of giving Northern Ireland a referendum to decide whether it wishes to remain part of the UK, or to join back with the Republic of Ireland. Self-determination is the right of all peoples.
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
comptent foryou stop with your shit about basques and try to work out the north irish situation.north ireland is not brittish not royal not kaiser ,but IRISH
robertdegiro 2 years ago
Calm down. Northern Ireland IS Irish, but it's still legally part of the United Kingdom, and hence under 'British' rule.
It's just another legacy of British empire building. But at no point have I said N. Ireland shouldn't be part of the Republic of Ireland, or that the people there aren't Irish. Don't jump to wild conclusions please ^^
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
and now id like to talk with your mother to tell her that you missed your medication for at least three days.very very bad boy
argentiniximo 2 years ago
You keep talking about medication... I can only assume this is because you're used to taking pills that help your mental retardation. /selfowned hahahahaha. Please, let's keep this going, I do enjoy schooling young, ignorant little fascists like yourself.
Do you like democracy little argie-bargie? Or does it still not quite make sense to you and your people's fascist mentality? =)
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
the most powerfull basque bank has allready pronounce it self saying that the independence of the basque country would mean the ruine and they dont support it.and basques have been historically inside spain .all this new phenomeno of independence and nationalisme started with SABINO ARANA who is the father of basque nacionalisme google it and youl find out
argentiniximo 2 years ago
Yes, this argument was also made prior to the establishment of the Republic of Ireland in 1920. But have you noticed? Smaller nations like Belgium, Switzerland, Luxembourg, and Holland all prosper, despite their small size? And given that the Basque country is the most prosperous region in Spain, your argument is again, imbecilic, and typically fascist. The fact that you quote the comments of a single bank, as speaking for the Basque economy makes you a bigger retard than I thought previously =)
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
Again, a simple history lesson.
The Basque people have not always been historically inside Spain, because as I established earlier, there NEVER used to be nation states in Europe. The Basques existed as a people before the Spanish-French Indo-European people arrived, for many hundreds, and hundreds of years.
Basque nationalism has existed for as long as foreigners have attempted to govern the Basques. When you understand this simple concept, you will shut up and apologise for your stupidity =)
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
last try to make u understand that more than the half of the basque population dont want the independece even the pnv stops asking for autodetermination referendum during ellections cause inside this party there is a big confrontation on this matter and the pnv sure would loose a big number of votes and politicians there has allready been desertions to other partys
argentiniximo 2 years ago
You are a know-nothing, you know nothing about Basque history, and you know nothing about Basque politics. The fact that you think a majority of Basques don't want independence, despite a majority always voting for nationalist parties, tells me you're an idiot. It tells me you don't understand how the electoral system works, and it tells me that you don't understand that there is something called national Spanish politics. The PNV are conservatives, you are still a retard =)
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
did you grow up with that slogan stocked in your personality?"YOU ARE RETARD"is it what your mother used to call you?come on free your sef from that handycup after all we have a lot of fun with your fantastic arguments.you really have a future in the circus eh! off course as an intelectual.
argentiniximo 2 years ago
one more thing arrogant piece of shit whenever you want now that you critiziced the argentinians culture level you could ask me any questions (like for example why you are such shit)in spanish
argentiniximo 2 years ago
Hahahahahahaha. Your English is shit. Perhaps this is why you struggle to understand basic arguments? No, too easy, you're just a retard.
Basque independence AIMS to be like the Republic of Ireland, because right NOW, they ARE like Scotland/Wales/N.Ireland. You denied this, which makes you a retard.
And I'll repeat again, there was no concept of 'nationhood' when the Basque regions were independent, you IGNORANT spaz. Learn basic history, or don't bother posting.
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
anyway is just funny when you affirm that north ireland is a part of england you fucking moron
argentiniximo 2 years ago
Why is it funny? At least Britain has made moves to give them regional forms of autonomy. Just look at Scotland and Wales too, little fool =)
You've also clearly misunderstood the concept of the United Kingdom. It's made up of 4 states : England/ Wales / Scotland / Ireland. The problem is that the English have the central government locked down, given their superior number. Retard.
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
but who let you run away from the farm so now this asshole thinks that the basque country should be like the republic of ireland hahahaha you dont even know who were the carlistas
argentiniximo 2 years ago
The Basque country should be an individual, sovereign, independent state, LIKE the Republic of Ireland, because the Irish situation 80 years ago so closely mirrors the Basque one today. If you don't see the parallels, this is your problem (because you're a screaming, ignorant retard). You think so short term, I pity you.
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
i just waisted time because your stupidness is a provocation how many times shal i repeat you that what is now the basque country (navarra,alava,guipuzcoa,vizkaya lapurdi and zuberoa) has never been a country .before they were independent between eachother NUT!!!
argentiniximo 2 years ago
asshole i was discussing the north irish autonomy why do you think i was calling north ireland an autonomy .you started critizacing the situation of basque country and comparing it with the irish the only comparition someone coul do is with north ireland not with south ireland
argentiniximo 2 years ago
You confused Northern Ireland with Southern Ireland, because you're a moron that can't read. You also confused basic concepts like autonomy and independence. This is also because you are a crazed, Argentinian fascist, who knows nothing about Basques, or Basque history. Shoo, internet troll.
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
well finally you understanf how fool youve been comparing north ireland with basque country next time i wont waist time explaining you history rights and discernement
argentiniximo 2 years ago
is very typical of english to make up their own shit but the shit expel english arome hehe.
argentiniximo 2 years ago
Yes, English people make up 'their own bullshit'. Just like every other nation. Like the Spanish, who are so ignorant and full of shit, that they consider an ethnic group far older than themselves, to be like them, as a pretext to dominate them.
Just like the full of shit, retard Argentinians, who fooled themselves into thinking they could take on Britain, in the late 20th century. Please, keep living in your fantasy land. See how far it gets you and your ignorant kind =)
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
the paramilitars (english unionist army)killed with total impunity of justice and the north irish autonomy is been supressed when ever the english gouvernement considered convenient
argentiniximo 2 years ago
You're still massively confused. We're talking about the Republic of Ireland, not Northern Ireland. Again, if you can't understand this simple difference, this is your problem; not mine.
The Basque nation must have a 'Republic' like the Irish, independent from Spanish rule, not regional autonomy, which is what the Scottish, Welsh, and Northern Irish have, retard. You're such a confused little fascist aren't you?
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
the pseudo north irish state is a fallacy and depends on what the english gouvernement dictates. they will never allow north ireland to be unified with south ireland.finally north ireland dont even have the 10 per cent of the competences of self autonomy that basque land has.there is no autonomy in europe as strong as the basque one
argentiniximo 2 years ago
Eh? North Irish state? THAT ISNT THE IRISH STATE, RETARD.
You don't even KNOW what the Republic of Ireland is, do you? There's a whole other 3/4 of Ireland hahahaha.
The Basques demand parity with the Republic of Ireland, that is an independent state. Northern Ireland is simply a part of the UK, your stupidity and confusion of the issues is startling.
The Irish were granted Home Rule in 1920, that was the creation of the independent Irish state. You are a moron.
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
hehe you talk about grasp but you seem to have a virgin brain and whole area to start grasping just incase you have brain.its clear that you are a noughty freaky asshole that wants to have some relevance but im not gonna give you that chance if someone does its not my problem good luck.you dont even know your brittish history so what else could i talk withyou than beeeee.you might have been contaminated from an english crazy cow
argentiniximo 2 years ago
Yet more empty, ignorant rhetoric. You have been exposed for the know-nothing retard that you are. I blame the failing Argentinian education system. Shoo, internet troll =)
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
todo el rato dando por saco con la K los vascos y ahora pones en tu comentario ciudadano "C"ane
mctranka 2 years ago
uff please comptent your self
argentiniximo 2 years ago
basque country which is a very different reality than the ireland one which truly was a formed independent country.eventhough basques have much ,more autonomy than what irish have in england.boy give up studies cause you were born to work the farm under vigilance.Bye
argentiniximo 2 years ago
You really are stupid. The Irish were an independent nation before the British invaded them, and annexed their lands, just as the Basque peoples were, for HUNDREDS of years before the Spanish or French even existed.
The IRISH have their OWN STATE. How stupid can you be? Can you not grasp the difference between a fully independent STATE and a 'semi-autonomous region'?
The reality is the same, the Spanish are just 80 years behind the British.
Don't talk about things you clearly don't understand
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
you know boy you are the biggest english freak ass on youtube that wants to participate in a foreign problem and you dont even have brain to look on your pockets full of english shit.bytheway do you think that england new world orther father country you have democracy jajajaja england is the microchip country .your country sustains a monarchy of murders who killed their princess (diana) in front of the eyes of the whole world and all because she was pregnant from a muslim guy
argentiniximo 2 years ago
Ahahahaha you're such a dribbler. You really don't know what you're talking about. Babbling more conspiracy theory stupidity, and still confusing British imperialism 200 years ago, with modern democracy. You really need to move with the times little Argentine fascist =)
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
What are you talking about? As a British person, I CAN talk about these issues, because my country was either indirectly or directly responsible for many of the problems in world affairs today. If you had a brain you'd recognise that. If you had a brain, you'd be able to grasp basic concepts, rather than spouting utter shite in your very poor English.
Argentinians should be seen, and not heard. Go back to fascist land, little retard. Don't trouble us with your stupidity again hahaha.
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
where are the hopis cheyenes sioux pawnees and all the different indians that used to live in north america?where are the millions or australian originals where are the blacks and whats up with the land of zulus and so on it could take me the whole day what about new zeland and the maoris discrimination with all their young people absolutly waisted on drugs cause they lost their past link with their culture and their ancestors and this the few that are still alive.
argentiniximo 2 years ago
jajajaja asshole you should ask your self how many naturals are still alive to even have a true participation on anything of their new transformed country with english people around
argentiniximo 2 years ago
Your comments don't even make sense. If you were any more incoherent you could be a fully fledged Francoist. Ignorant fool =)
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
one more lesson to my silly nut boy basque land has much more independence rights from spain than what ireland could ever dream to have from england and now go and wank on the corner
argentiniximo 2 years ago
As an aside, to help you again understand how ignorant you are, I'll demonstrate to you why this is another unsubstantiated, retarded assertion.
The Republic of Ireland, IS A COUNTRY. They do not answer to Britain. They are not 'semi-autonomous' like the Basque region. They are FULLY autonomous. A STATE.
The Basque region is NOT an independent state, like Ireland. In fact, if you paid attention, Ireland is an example of what Basques aspire to in terms of nationhood. Idiot.
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
jajajaJA!!! the brittish empire who finished with half a planet(south africans-north american indians-australian aborigines-new zeland maoris-indians they are an example of freedom and democracy,GLOUP
argentiniximo 2 years ago
Blah blah blah. Whine whine whine. British Empire did terrible things, nobody is denying this. You've stupidly assumed I'm defending something that they did over 100 years ago. You're also attempting fallaciously to link modern Britain and its form of democracy, with past imperialism. This also, makes you a retard. (As an aside, what form of government does Australia/New Zealand/ S. Africa/ Canada/ USA/ India/Israel have now?) :-)
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
ladies and gentleman i have the honour to introduce you to the democrat humanist who support the terrorisme of the killers of ETA which two months a go killed a basque man of 72 years old just because he was working on the project of a train for the benefit of the basques.you asshole get the fuck out of the net right now
argentiniximo 2 years ago
Thank you for admitting I was right, by avoiding rational argument, and attempting to slander me as a supporter of ETA. I guess that's the only way crazed, fascists know how to debate :-(
Take your ignorant, emotional pleas somewhere else. So far you've attempted to call me an imperialist, a terrorist supporter, and denied the factual electoral results of the Basque regional elections. You truly are an embarrassing excuse for a human being.
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
look if you didnt take your medication today it is not so serious but dont forget it next time ,bad boy
argentiniximo 2 years ago
bytheway i thought you were a revolucionar but it seems that you are proud of your bloody brittish empire
argentiniximo 2 years ago
You're clearly a fool, assuming far too many things without actually understanding or knowing. I'm a democrat, and a humanist. You are not. This is why you still don't understand the right of self-determination for the Basques. This doesn't surprise me though, Argentinians aren't a very democratic people (or very educated either hahahaha).
Now I'm done, you've been thoroughly proven wrong, and shown to be the vacuous idiot that you are. I'll let you go away & think about what we've discussed =)
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
jeje the facts speaks for themselves but you speak from your ass give it up boy and dont be ridiculous with inventions today europe nows enough about the hell that terrorisme creates in basque land
argentiniximo 2 years ago
You can keep spouting rhetoric and more Spanish fascist lies. The voting results speak for themselves, as does the persistence of Basque culture and language, and the very existence of the Basque Autonomic Government.
The irony is that you think the Spanish have a right to use violence to keep the Basques in line, but that the Basques have no right to either express themselves politically, or use force to defend their right to self-determination. You truly are a little fascist Argentine =)
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
jeje this two banned parties gave all the votes to the nacionalist parties and they were banned precisely because in spain there is a democracy who dont let terrorist who extorsion and kill have any propaganda
argentiniximo 2 years ago
Britain has a longer democratic tradition, and even with the troubles in Ireland, they never banned Sinn Fein (the political wing of the IRA, with much closer ties). Spain is not a democracy, their 'democracy' is fascistic, it's the only way they know. The political parties were not terrorists, they ran DEMOCRATICALLY. Try to keep up.
Secondly, 9% of the 15% SPOILED their ballots, out of disgust. The other 6% didn't even vote. Look at voter turnout, then again, tell me I was right, idiot.
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
jajajaja again mister disneyworld you should ask your self why the next lehendakari is going to be patxi lopez..my dear ignorant flipper the berbers of north africa are a white race.i can only say that if basques were like you would surely be different from europeans cause they would be stupids
argentiniximo 2 years ago
Yawn. You're off in fantasy world. 52% of the popular vote went to nationalist parties, but the electoral system is not strictly proportional, and they were rewarded with only 48% of the seats in the Basque parliament. You can try to ignore that as much as you like, but the facts speak for themselves. The majority were with the nationalists as they have been for the last 30 years. The Spanish know this, it's why they banned Herri Batasuna, and its 2 linked parties.
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
That isn't even counting that well over a third of Basque voters are so disillusioned with the farcically termed 'democratic elections' that they don't even bother to vote. When you realise this, you'll understand why Basque nationalism has majority support.
Again, we've already established you know nothing about Basque origins. Keep whining about berbers, but let me know when you understand that Basques are not Indo-Europeans, and this fact alone proves their distinctness from Spanish/French.
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
in the basque eleccions the winners are the non independentist basques so shut up and bytheeway in basque land the only dictature is the one of ETA which anulate the right of every basque to express his self
argentiniximo 2 years ago
Basque nationalists won 52% of the popular vote, but only won 48% of the seats. That's because the electoral system is undemocratic. Idiot. The Spanish fascists were so "democratic" and "not scared of Basque freedom" that they banned 2 of the Basque nationalist parties, that usually achieve 15% of the vote. Retard.
Yes, that's intelligent, call the equivalent to the IRA a "dictator". ETA is not a 'dictator' because they don't rule anything. You clearly don't even know what a dictator is.
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
ETA blowing up occupying foreigners is not denying any Basques the right to express themselves. Spanish fascists banning 2 political parties is directly ANNULLING the right of every Basque to express themselves. Unlucky, dipshit.
Most ironically for an Argentinian, is that you don't know what a dictator is =) Considering that Britain kicked your fascist country's ass around 20 years ago, I'm surprised you don't know what one is.
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
what you are telling is part of the nacionalist propaganda who do their best to try to hide the real african roots of their country and every thing because of their racist complex
argentiniximo 2 years ago
Hahahahahahaha yes, Basques are Africans, that's why they're WHITE. Goddamn you're a moron. Do you even think about what you say, or does it just spill out uncontrollably?
Nationalist propaganda? Explaining why Basques are different to other Europeans is scientific and historical fact, not propaganda. The shitty diatribes you're spouting, is pure Francoist, assimilation rhetoric, and re-writing history. How hilarious, that you didn't answer the last 2 questions about the civil war =)
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
jajajaja so you were there before the romans to know how this land was called what a asshole you should know that the what is now the basque land was crowded of celtics who were different than basques basques were part of the troops of anival who invaded the pyrenees on the way to fight against rome
argentiniximo 2 years ago
Why would I need to have been there? Archaeologists and ancient historians have already TOLD US that Basques predate EVERYONE in Europe. Basques predate the Celts. Seriously, why do you bother typing up such obvious lies? Are you so desperate to convince yourself that Basques are the same? Poor, desperate fool.
Please, use the only tool you know, wikipedia. It tells you how long Basques are KNOWN to have lived in the region. Look up 'IndoEuropeans', & then Basque origins. Then tell me I'm right
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
you make me laugh it seems that you want to invent the history of the basques but any way nice try.but please dont lie infront of people and what ever you say wikipedia is much more clever than any fantasy you want to make us believe dumb ass
argentiniximo 2 years ago
but what a nut you dont no what you say and it seems that you dont want to understand forget about indoeuropeans there is nothing to do with that the first name of basque land was vasconia and that is when the romans first invaded the basque land .the term euskal herria didnt come till 1600
argentiniximo 2 years ago
Vasconia is the first name FOREIGNERS gave the land. You really are stuck in your own tiny little fantasy world aren't you? You might not want to understand it, but the Basques have been in the same place, for thousands of years. They were there before the Indo-European Spaniards and French people. The real first name of the Basque Country is whatever the Basques living there called it, which presumably nobody really knows because there are no recordings of it. Their history was verbal. Unlucky.
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
How is that Orson Wells in a 7 minute video understands something so simple that you fail to grasp? Is it because your imbecilic Argentine fascist mentality simply can't grasp differentiation? Or the right to freedom and democracy?
You need to start thinking in a much bigger picture. Anyway I'm done arguing with 13 year old retards, go and do some research before you start dribbling on youtube comment sections. Idiot.
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
clean your eyes ive never said that basques didnt live here before 1512 i said that they didnt have a united country they were independent between them
argentiniximo 2 years ago
There were no 'countries' before 1512 retard. My god, you're so ignorant. Please, stop talking. You clearly have no idea what 'context' is, or anything about European history or the rise of the modern state. Shoo back to your angry, Spanish retard hole and keep dreaming that Basques are 'the same' as Indo-Europeans haha. Idiot. Let me guess, you think Franco winning the civil war was a good thing? Forcing different ethnic minorities to remain part of a larger whole without consent was awesome?
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
basques were independent from eachother guipuzcoa never belonged to navarra basques didnt ever form a country it was when they pass to form a part of spain when they asked some conditions like the fueros but that dont say nothing else than that.
argentiniximo 2 years ago
Oh dear. You are aware that the Basque Country was not a legal state in the European system, and that Basques have never needed a 'legal conception' of statehood until their Indo-European neighbours thought it was a cool idea and started pinching all the land? You're ignorance astounds me. Do you even know what Euskalerria even translates to?
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
The Basques were united by a common culture, ethnicity, and language. They NEVER needed to have a legal state like their Indo-European neighbours. It's only in the last hundred years when they've been oppressed that they realised the importance of the concept of the legal, national state like everyone else. What don't you understand? Every people have the right to self-determination and democracy, and they want it, as demonstrated by the fact the majority always vote for nationalist parties.
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
orson wells didnt know a shit about my people cause im basque.the basque roots are in north africa and our origins are berbers even if the basques dont like it thats the truth.finally ill tell you that the biggest part of basques dont want the independence from spain
argentiniximo 2 years ago
Wrong again. Science and genetic research had advanced since George Orwell made this video, I'm sorry you missed those advances. You clearly aren't a Basque, but another Spanish retard troll.
If you'd paid attention, you'd have seen that for every election in the Basque region, nationalist parties have held the majority of the vote. Unlucky. So much so, that the fascist Spaniards have had to ban 2 of their nationalist parties to cheat in the elections this March, fool.
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
basques were the ones who in 1512 conquered the navarra kingdom for the castillian king the catholic.the duke of alba was the captain of guipuzcoanos vizcainos alaveses and navarros beaumonteses at the orders of the king of castilla.LEARN HISTORY
argentiniximo 2 years ago
And again, your lacking historical education is apparent, stop using wikipedia, and actually learn something. Basques existed far before 1512, how can you be so ignorant? Go and see how long Basques have been living in the Iberian peninsula, then go and see when the Indo-Europeans (SPANISH / FRENCH) arrived. Don't talk about things you don't know anything about please.
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
basques like EL CANO-ZAMUDIO-LOPE DE AGUIRRE-PASCUAL DE ANDAGOYA conqueror of peru with PIZARRO-the basque boats from vizcaya were the ones who dominate the sea before england and create the terror to the english army
argentiniximo 2 years ago
You've still labouring this idea, and entirely missing the point. Well done, Basques have traditionally been party to French and Spanish expeditions. It was a Basque that fully circumnavigated the globe, on a Spanish ship, when the Spanish captain died. Just like it was through the ESA (European Space Agency) that the first Basque entered space.
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
basque language comes from ancient tamazigh bereber language blood rh is very high in bereber population as it is in the basque people the folk txalaparta drums made of wood comes from africa the significative basque yell irrintzi is the same one as the one of berebers
argentiniximo 2 years ago
Right, it's also the same as people living on the other side of the Atlantic. Stop trolling youtube comment pages with utter shite. Nothing you've said has been sustained by evidence or fact, you're making wild links without any scientific proof, shut up.
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
vaya error de la CIA
danielareyesmarcos 3 years ago
"fandeporta" why do you speak so sure? we are not spain, have it clear!!!
ioseph999 3 years ago 2
si no eres español, porke pones en tu pefil ke tu pais es españa?? juajua
fandeporta 2 years ago
"Fandeporta" we are NOT SPANISH.....know your shit...ignorant shit
tobasquo 3 years ago 2
Welles i wrong,Basque Country is in Spain, it isn't a independent country, but their population have a different culture than the spanish,but they too speak spanish, THEY ARE SPANISH!!
fandeporta 3 years ago
yes, thats true. being spanish is the same as being british. The vascos are not castilians, who are the people of the kingdom of Spain that imposed its language to the others, but they are spanish the same way scottish and english people are british
AristYdes 2 years ago
Wrong, being Spanish is the same as being English. The English were just smarter, and made an 'umbrella' term to include their conquered neighbours (Welsh, Irish, and Scots). The Spanish were not. They foolishly insisted on claiming that the Basques were the same as they were, when even a casual glance at factual history, and common sense analysis of their totally different language and ethnicity would have told them otherwise.
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
contempt basques come from north africa they have bereber origins like many people in spain.basques have allways been part of spain throughout their history.since the roman occupation basque names have been filling up the history of spain please dont talk about something that you seem to ignore
argentiniximo 2 years ago
You're dribbling. Spanish people are Indo-European, just like ALL the other Europeans living here. Basques have co-existed with the French and Spanish, just as they had with the Romans, etc. This does not change the fact that Spanish culture and history is separate, why Spanish language is not even comparable, or their Indo-European ethnicity. Please, don't talk about things you don't know about. It's embarrassing.
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
As for "Basque names have been filling up the history of Spain", the same is true of France. That isn't a coincidence, there's bound to be an overlapping if they've been living in the same geographical area. You mistake overlap, for sameness. This is presumably also part of your problem, in that you fail to recognise the Basques as a separate people because of your ignorance, and consequently fail to see that Basques also demand the right to democratic self-determination.
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
boy where do you inform your self? it must be in disney library .basques have allways been united to spain only a few influences from france at the time of navarra kingdom but that didnt last a moment in history.the basques weve been at the service of the spanish crown since the concept of country was established and we were fighting against the enemy of spain in all wars.
argentiniximo 2 years ago
Basques were a culture, a community, a people, and had a language, before Spanish people even existed. You think so short-term in history, this is your problem, and ignorance. If you actually knew anything about modern history, you'd know that Basques agreed to side with the dominant power of the era, in exchange for the guarantee of their Fueros, that is, their own capacity to make LAWS, and live in their own way.
ContemptForYou 2 years ago
Wrong. The Basque Country is 'legally' in Spain, but it's not Spanish. 50% speak Basque, soon this will be 100%. The Basque Country is also 'legally' in France. Basques are culturally, linguistically, and ethnically distinct to both the French and Spanish. They are neither, they are Basque. Learn the difference please, don't just use simple-minded explanations.
ContemptForYou 2 years ago