A WISE man investigates what a FOOL takes for granted. These comments that knock MMS are made by FOOLS, as they know nothing about the technology involved. Oh well, their loss.
Did you beat cancer or was this the last video. If you beat the cancer than I would be interested in knowing since you mention you were given only 3 months to live at one point.
What's the poind ot acidifying it if you drink it and it all comes in contact with very acidic stomach acid? It's stupid, and it's proof this is something a madman made up.
Drinking bleach, for god sake. Quackery, that's what it is.
@endimion17 I've seen this kind of thing a lot, brand new account, no activity except a positive MMS testimonial on a youtube video, and then gone.. Hyeah riiight, that's perfectly normal, not suspicious at all.. lol.
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I'm actually curious to know how that would even work!
MMSFraud, how will you cope if you are NOT able to contact einsteindrieu? Will your life become an empty unfulfilled wasteland without his wisdom and charm?
Ouch! That's the 1st time someone has threatened to "bite me a new ass hole". I'm not 100% sure what that would actually involve, but it sure does sound unpleasant!
Ouch! That's the 1st time someone has threatened to "bite me a new ass hole". I'm not 100% sure what that would actually involve, but it sure does sound unpleasant!
Certainly all irrelevant. I never ceased to be impressed how deftly MMS salesmen, sorry, supporters shift the debate off of MMS and onto other medications. As if, for example, if a load of cynical beady eyed drs WERE in cahoots with beg pharma to kill us all and if they COULD prove it, that would somehow render MMS more effective by inference!
MMS doesn't work. There is no coherent rationale and no evidence. None. Whether Vioxx is a wonder drug or poison is utterly irrelevant to that fact.
And what about the 79,970,000 people who were NOT adversely affected by vioxx? People with arthritis suffering chronic and acute pain, who lived with some measure of relief for six years? What about them? Have you read the testimonials from people who WISH they could still get vioxx because nothing else has been quite as effective? What about the doctors who argue that if vioxx was NOT given to people with existing heart conditions and not in high doses it would be safe? All bullshit I suppose?
@mmsfraud Look clearly all the doctors and patients are in on it and have been completely bought out. Those people suffering should take MMS, it only has no adverse side effects that we know of. In case this doesn't get across properly I'm being sarcastic and MMS is completely unproven. Seriously though there are side effects of MMS as well which have the capability of killing a person. But that doesn't matter because it cures everything.
What if you were taking asprin? Or MMS? Would you know then? Of course you wouldn't, you COULDN'T know! That's the whole point! So how can we EVER know? The ONLY reliable way is to do good science! which for medicine means well controlled trials. It's not a game scientists play for fun, it's the only way we know that works! All these conspiracy theories are SO black and white, the truth is shades of grey! Medicine is HARD! Sometimes it's risky, there are no miracle cures, but that's life!
People who took vioxx had an increase in risk of heart attack from 0.1% to 0.4%? Do you understand what that means? Instead of 1 in 1000 dying from heart arrack, 4 in 1000 died. Do you think that YOU or ME would notice that? If you had a heart attack while on vioxx would you KNOW what caused it? Would you know if you were the 1 in 1000 that would have had a heart attack anyway, or the other 3 that wouldn't? It's not like people were taking a pill and dropping dead two seconds later.
So let me get this straight, doctors, government officials, regulatory bodies. Scientists, all over the entire WORLD are ALL bought out and corrupt.. But LAWYERS!? They're immune to corruption? Gee, lucky for those honest lawyers! Pharma can buy out governments, buy out doctors and hospitals, but not lawyers? Give me a break, the conspiracy theory has more holes then Swiss cheese.
Obviously just like the creation v evolution debate that you brought up, this is a religious argument for you. It's based on faith and belief, not science and evidence. And just like a religious argument, it's a complete waste of time to even try to discuss this with you. Go debate some Catholics.
Sodium chlorite is a chlorine dioxide precursor, it IS used for water treatment, activated with an acid, just like MMS! Google Dupont ADOX, it's sodium chlorite, chlorine dioxide precursor, activated with an acid, JUST LIKE MMS! It even comes in 25% solution. It's uses? Bleaching pulp, potable and waste water treatment, odor control, in line sanitizer, bactericide in food production and HIV cure.. I added that last one, because it's ridiculous!
Give me a break, you can't even cite a reliable source that MMS is 1ppm! It's NOT. Chlorine dioxide HAS been studied for water purification and the max dose has even been revised down. The rule of thumb is if you can smell it, it might NOT be safe to consume. As I said, pharma drugs has NOTHING to do with this, it's a diversion! Many alternative health websites warn of the dangers of MMS, I listed 5 already, there's more, how many can you find that support it? If you find 5 I'll be surprised.
@mmsfraud LOL you still quote from uncredible websites,go figure.I am still waiting for sufficient evidence to support your claims.I am not talking about large doses of chlorine dioxide.I am talking about the actual ppm and other ingredients to the solution.Again I am not talking about CIO2 being studied for water purification.When used as an activated sodium chlorite.Basically chlorine dioxide does not create trihalomethanes.
TWELVE POSTS in a row?! That's gotta be a record.. You're NOT saying anything I haven't heard before, it's all the same bullshit that Jim humble says! Mix in some REAL studies, like ClO2 is an effective antiseptic, then throw in some wild assumptions, extrapolate and come to completely UNJUSTIFIED conclusions! You reference REAL studies, where is ONE study that actually supports your conclusion that MMS cures ANYTHING? Show one reference that says 'good bacteria' are immune from ClO2? Bullshit!
@mmsfraud LOL the only rubbish I am seeing is from you,infact the information is behond your comprehension.MMS is a supplement which contains 1ppm chlorine dioxide which infact is activated sodium chlorite.There is not one shred of evidence from what you have said that shows any harm to humans when taking mms.I can however show you over a dozen drugs that killed and injured thousands of people though.Its obvious that its not high doses of 500 ppm.Show me evidence that good bacteria is destroyed
@mmsfraud Show me evidence of the combination of solutions cannot help.I am not talking about your assumptions and your biased views especially for someone who does not understand mms.I guess next you will tell me evolution is a fact because thats what you learnt in some book.Its obvious the fda only approves drugs for a treatment and not supplements because it is regarded as food.Nothing has shown mms to be dangerous when used at correct doses.
Right, except it's NOT even a dichotomy!! I could HATE big pharma AND believe the conspiracy, that does NOT mean MMS works. In fact there are MANY pharma hating 'alternative medicine' websites which criticize Jim and MMS!
Google MMS and these sites: sott net, gaia-health com, healthwyze org, trance-health com, wariscrime com. These sites are all critical of pharma, they don't sell anything, they have NOTHING to gain from criticizing MMS. How do you explain them?
If anyone actually has a reasonable criticism of ANY of my claims, instead of putting words in my mouth and just accusing me of being a shill, I'll be happy to discuss it.
If MMS really cured people of serious diseases, after 14 years there should be MANY people with test results, OBJECTIVE evidence, not just random testimonials on the Internet and excuses. I've been searching for over a year, but I have NOT found a SINGLE person with tests proving MMS cured them. That's easily disproved.
@mmsfraud You are apparently looking at ,again,biased sources which is not actual research.You would have researched that MMS contains 28% of activated sodium chlorite to make chlorine dioxide,mix 5 drops of 10% citric acid with each drop of MMS.There is a dosage for therapeutic use you obviously have to follow.I mentioned the difference between chlorine and chlorine dioxide to prove a little point.
@mmsfraud Chlorine dioxide and chlorine are not the same. Chlorine is a chemical element. In ion form, chlorine is part of common salt and other compounds, and necessary to most forms of life, including human. A powerful oxidizing agent, it is the most abundant dissolved ion in ocean water, and readily combines with nearly every other element, including sodium to form salt crystals, and magnesium, as magnesium chloride.
@mmsfraud Chlorine dioxide is a chemical compound that consists of one chlorine ion bound to two ions of oxygen.Oxidizing agents are chemical compounds that readily accept electrons from “electron donors.” They gain electrons via chemical reaction. This is important because relative to chlorine dioxide, all pathogens are electron donors.Chlorine dioxide is extremely volatile. You might call it “hot tempered,” but in a very beneficial way.
@mmsfraud The MMS solution is 28% sodium chlorite in distilled water. You can produce chlorine dioxide with a single drop, when an “activator” of vinegar, lemon juice, or a 10% solution of citric acid is added.
@mmsfraud Applications” of chlorine dioxide range from 1 drop to a maximum of 15, except in life critical situations, where the maximum may be doubled. A “maintenance application” is six drops, with ¼ teaspoon of activator added. After adding the activator, the chemical reaction that turns sodium chlorite into chlorine dioxide takes only about three minutes.
@mmsfraud The activating ingredient in vinegar that makes the change possible is acetic acid. It also sets the stage for what happens when the chlorine dioxide ions enter the bloodstream. This weak acid acts like a blasting cap by lowering the pH of the chlorine dioxide, without setting it off.The natural pH of sodium chlorite is 13. Adding vinegar, lemon juice, or citric acid) creates about 3 mg of unstable but still harmless chlorine dioxide.
@mmsfraud However, the concentrations used in such applications can vary from 500 to over 6,000 parts per million (ppm), which would clearly be deadly to an individual. Using the MMS protocol you will produce chlorine dioxide in the range of 1 ppm.
@mmsfraud Numerous scientific studies have demonstrated that chlorine – part of the halogen family of elements – creates as least three carcinogenic compounds when it enters the body, principally trihalomethanes (THMs). There has been no such evidence of harmful compounds being produced from chlorine dioxide.
@mmsfraud Research has proven chlorine dioxide to be much safer than chlorine, as it is selective for pathogens when used in water. Furthermore, it does not create harmful compounds from other constituents in the water as chlorine does.
Ok, you accuse me of things I never said, AND admit it, you accuse me of biased and unreliable sources when your source is Jim humble. You OBVIOUSLY just WANT to believe what you want to believe. Good luck chugging the bleach.
@mmsfraud Again,another foolish naive and ignorant comment,you have superceded all other asanine comments.Thus proves your insanity and arrogance.I know your sources are from immature pharma trolls and shills.
Huh? Who said anything about chlorine? What chlorine can do but chlorine dioxide doesn't is irrelevant. Chlorine dioxide is a strong oxidizer, do you doubt that? Every source will confirm this, every MSDS, any chemistry text, any agency, any producer of chlorine dioxide precursors, they ALL confirm it is a strong oxidizer. That's NOT my opinion, it's a FACT. Strong oxidizers are the opposite of anti-oxidants, that also is not an opinion.
@mmsfraud No but apparently you are mixing up solutions,I did mention clearly about Chlorine dioxide not being carcinogenic but can completely eliminate and treats contaminants like viruses, water bacteria, giardia, botulism cryptosporidium, e. coli and cholera. The recommended dosage has never been proven to cause harm or deaths in humans.No documented evidence,just pure gossip.
I don't know the difference between chlorine and chlorine dioxide? What do you base that on? I never said MMS was just chlorine. It sounds like you're reading what you want to read rather then what I actually wrote.
@mmsfraud Silly man,if you understood your own words,you would have recognized that you are contrary.You keep making false claims,again you know NOTHING about it.So keep quiet shill.
Oh please, biased and unreliable sources? But Jim Humble is unbiased and reliable is he? There are MANY sources which directly contradict Jim's claims about all diseases NOT being anaerobic, this is NOT an "opinion". Buy please enlighten us, point us to ONE SINGLE reliable source which corroborates Jim Humble's claims then. There are NO even barely credible sources which support ANY of Jim's claims.
@mmsfraud Well I have not seen ANY credible sources that backs up your silly argument,frankly its boring.Don't you know that chlorine by itself can create trihalomethanes? Chlorine dioxide cannot,lol I am certain you did not know that quack.Also you should know that it doesn't give rise to the formation of chloroform and bromochloromethane AS chlorine does.It does not even react with ammonia,nitrogenous compounds of precursors to form chloroform as chlorine does.YET you say its not safe? LOL!
What's the source for the figures about how many books have been sold and how many people have used it? Let me guess, was it Jim Humble?? and you accuse US of believing "biased" sources like Wikipedia?? I swear some people live in backwards land. There is no MORE biased source then Jim Humble regarding this topic.
@mmsfraud Apparently you get fooled easily by the words "medical advice" lol.The medical/pharmaceutical industry are the 4th leading cause of death worldwide.The drugs actually CAUSE rises in heart disease,strokes,deaths etc.American people are actually incredibly gullible,there is no science like I said,pure marketing and greed.Go ahead and take your poison and live with ten serious side effects which will create new problems and complications.Nothing you say is objective but pure nonsense.
@mmsfraud Apparently you get fooled easily by the words "medical advice" lol.The medical/pharmaceutical industry are the 4th leading cause of death worldwide.The drugs actually CAUSE rises in heart disease,strokes,deaths etc.American people are actually incredibly gullible,there is no science like I said,pure marketing and greed.Go ahead and take your poison and live with ten serious side effects which will create new problems and complications.Nothing you say is objective but pure nonsense.
@mmsfraud Apparently you DO NOT know the difference between chlorine dioxide and chlorine.Do you know the oceans are made with chloride?If you don't,well look up wikipedia lol.You obviously have to use the recommended dosage just like everything else.One is actually a reactive compound and the other can react.Its not a matter of a single element you quack.Do ACTUAL research before you comment.
Fraud is in every industry, especially the poorly regulated alternative medicine industry. At least with pharma there's a CHANCE you can sue someone, with MMS who are you going to sue? Jim? Who didn't sell it and lives in thr Dominican republic? Good luck with that. Or the place you bought it which I guarantee sells it as "water purifier" and has big disclaimers about NOT giving any medical advice and to consume it at your own risk. You'd be laughed out of court for being an idiot.
Listen to what you're writing? Pharma sued? Jail? Fraud trials?? All that PROVES that there is no conspiracy! I thought pharma had the 'governments bought out' and all the doctors and scientists. What? They ran out of money to buy the courts and lawyers? BULLSHIT! Fraud exists everywhere, but we have systems in place to fight it, people and companies CAN and DO get caught and punished. It's far from perfect, but it EXISTS! You're just disproving your own conspiracy theory! Lol.
@TheFriendlyEngineer you obviously know NOTHING about me if you accuse me of NOT doing research. I've been investigating MMS for about 18 months and I've been running a website called MMS Debunked for over a year. I regularly get emails from MMS users and I've been active on dozens of health forums regarding MMS. There are probably not many people here who have investigated it more then me.
@mmsfraud MMS debunked never debunked anything,just silly opinions as usual.You never investigate one thing.You are just another silly internet worthless waste of time that has nothing better to do but to quote from biased and uncredible sources.Nothing you say will be based on any factual evidence.
Let's look at vioxx, shall we? Given to roughly 80 million people over six years. $2.4 BILLION a YEAR drug. Implicated in about 30,000 deaths, mostly in users who ALREADY had heart conditions. Who uncovered this 'conspiracy'? Was it some lone maverick? A 'Jim Humble' type? NO WAY! It was numerous teams of dedicated scientists and doctors AROUND THE WORLD who performed more rigorous trials over several YEARS! You think it's even possible to notice a 0.4% increase in risk otherwise?
@mmsfraud Science? Drug companies hide behind the name when infact its called marketing products.You need to get your head out of the gutter and do proper research.There are many so called doctors and scientists exposed the fraud of the pharmaceutical industry.Dr.John Virapen actually worked for 35 yrs in the industry,Dr.Peter Breggin,Dr.Rima Laibow,Dr.Ray Sahelian etc,every month there is a new lawsuit because of deaths worldwide and ppl suffer because of marketing.You do not know anything.
@TheFriendlyEngineer No one says there aren't problems with the pharma industry, but to think there is some sort of global systemic conspiracy of suppression is ridiculous! There are still universities, government and even independent labs that do clinical trials. Different countries and different pharma companies COMPETE with each other to make the "next big thing". You think they give a shit what the FDA says in France or China? FAT CHANCE! Wake up! It's the global information age.
@mmsfraud so when the pharma doctors swear an oath saying,first do no harm.I guess its a global information age excuse.When drugs are prescribed by a pharma doc to a patient believing that they will get results,instead they get 10 serious side effects or death.Well if that is not harm,I dont know what is.Its always an excuse with you people.Read the book,Side effect deaths by Dr.Virapen.Name one evidence of deaths from a credible source concerning mms.Please inspire me.
@TheFriendlyEngineer Name one evidence of MMS curing a SINGLE person of a chronic or serious disease from a credible source.
Everything in life is a risk vs reward scenario, even medicine. If you have a 1 in 5 chance of dying if you take medicine, but a 3 in 5 if you don't, are you stupid for taking the medicine? Is it a "conspiracy"?
On the other hand there is absolutely NO proof that MMS cures ANYTHING, even if the risks are slight they outweigh any possible benefit.
@mmsfraud You have not given one piece of evidence to back up your silly gossip and asanine comments.Proves to me that you are another worthless shill.The same goes for if I ought to ask you to show me the benefits of Actos diabetes drug.You might tell me well it has been proven to do x.When in fact just last month the drug company is being sued large sums of money for the drug causing bladder cancer and heart failures.Explain that to me.Or maybe it is another fraud in big pharma you cover up.
@TheFriendlyEngineer They are companies just like any other and ultimately they cannot operate without making money. If they get sued as much as you claim then of course they would be uninterested in financially disadvantageous drugs. If you are correct then my observation would be that they clearly need more money for research instead of being unable to afford as rigorous research because they have to pay off all the people that re suing them.
@TheFriendlyEngineer So? What does that PROVE? It proves that people who commit health fraud DO get caught sometimes, even if they work for "big pharma". Ask yourself WHO catches them? Is it Jim Humble? Of course it's NOT. It's regulatory bodies like the FDA, that's what they are for!
AND AGAIN! It's got NOTHING to do with the question "Does MMS actually CURE any serious diseases?" After 14 years there is NO evidence that it does.
@mmsfraud you are clearly deluded if you honestly believe the fda has your interest when the people involved belonged to conspiracies,infact its the millions of reports patients and families report to lawfirms,the fraudulent thing about thw fda is that they pass the drugs knowing its dangerous yet hundreds of thousands end up dead or seriously injured from side effects.A good example is zyprexa or even others like plavix or vioxx etc.A new one is avandia or actos.The fda passed them.
@mmsfraud you are clearly deluded if you honestly believe the fda has your interest when the people involved belonged to conspiracies,infact its the millions of reports patients and families report to lawfirms,the fraudulent thing about thw fda is that they pass the drugs knowing its dangerous yet hundreds of thousands end up dead or seriously injured from side effects.A good example is zyprexa or even others like plavix or vioxx etc.A new one is avandia or actos.The fda passed them.
@mmsfraud you are clearly deluded if you honestly believe the fda has your interest when the people involved belonged to conspiracies,infact its the millions of reports patients and families report to lawfirms,the fraudulent thing about thw fda is that they pass the drugs knowing its dangerous yet hundreds of thousands end up dead or seriously injured from side effects.A good example is zyprexa or even others like plavix or vioxx etc.A new one is avandia or actos.The fda passed them.
@mmsfraud FDA? No chance,infact the people who works with the group have been involved with conspiracies worldwode,esp western society which statistics have shown to have the most obese and chronic disease ridden in the world.America is the 38th in healthcare.
@TheFriendlyEngineer yeah and I don't live in america and I don't give a shit about the FDA. And I guarantee China doesn't give a shit about the FDA, and neither do the Scandinavian countries and neither does France, neither does Russia.
The fact is, none of this has ANYTHING to do with "does MMS cure anything?" to answer THAT question, you have to look at the evidence, and after 14 years, there is NO evidence it has EVER cured anyone of HIV or ANY chronic or serious illness
@mmsfraud maybe you should stop being judgemental and biase about things you never researched.Just because you do not know about it,its fraud.Nobody was convicted and evidence was never presented for fraud.I can post many information on the fraud in the pharmaceuticals though.I have personal experience also.Anyway keep an open mind and dont draw conclusions from pharma shills or biased websites for information.
@TheFriendlyEngineer My last comment was meant to directed at you. The pharmaceutical companies are not the dominating force in the medical/scientific communities. If a scientist discovered and proved that a chemical such as MMS cured cancer or HIV, there would be no way to silence them or pay him to keep quiet. This discovery would be one of the greatest of this century and make that scientist renowned throughout the world. There is no way a pharma could pay out everyone to keep quiet about it.
@nanagn11 Actually you fail to give evidence to prove that mms does not work.Apparently you have not done any research on the suppression of cures.There have been many honest scientists worldwide that have been curing certain illnesses and have been silenced or jailed.It is a conspiracy.Infact certain pharma doctors came out and exposed the industry.Infact you cannot patent certain products like you do with drugs.Only if pharmaceutical companies benefit,then food and drug will side with them.
@nanagn11 220,000 people died last year after taking an FDA-approved drug prescribed by a doctor? Drugs have been taken off the shelves and drug companies issued lawsuits,13 psychiatrists were jailed for 7 years for fraudulent clinical trials for GSK for Paxil. Well that is a fact and it is well documented on the Internet.Not one person worldwide died from any logical connection with chlorine dioxide (MMS)
@mmsfraud As mmsfraud said, it would be quite literally impossible to silence the entire scientific and medical communities if something as big as a cure for HIV came out. Another point is that a lot of medical scientists enjoy what they do and chose to join the profession not for money but for the enjoyment they get from discovering new things. This profession is unlike many others, these people are not unskilled workers.
@mmsfraud As mmsfraud said, it would be quite literally impossible to silence the entire scientific and medical communities if something as big as a cure for HIV came out. Another point is that a lot of medical scientists enjoy what they do and chose to join the profession not for money but for the enjoyment they get from discovering new things. This profession is unlike many others, these people are not unskilled workers.
@mmsfraud This is why, the American Society of Analytical Chemists proclaimed chlorine dioxide to be the most powerful pathogen killer known to man. It has even been used to clean up after anthrax attacks.Once it is introduced into the bloodstream, chlorine dioxide performs a highly energetic acceptance of four electrons when it comes across any cell that is below a pH value of 7.
@mmsfraud Your calculations are incorrect,you seem to get your information from biased wikipedia and its normal for a follower who cannot think for himself to do so.There are many people around the world have cured illnesses but have been censored by some agency.You are clearly ignorant and arrogant in your posts.Bleach? Well I used it and I am not dead.I get my regular checks and blood work in the lab.I am most likely healthier than you.Go take your drugs.Allow people to scheme you,its a choice
@TheFriendlyEngineer I've actually read a lot about Vioxx, my information is not from wikipedia, which is very well referenced by the way.
There are many people out there who make shit up and try to profit from it too. Do you think health fraud is a myth?
Of course you aren't dead, but everything is a risk vs reward. There are NO documented cases of MMS curing anything, but CRAP loads of testimonials like yours. You're healthy, why take it? Why hasn't someone cured of HIV come forward, ever?
@mmsfraud The chlorine dioxide equipped cells do not oxidize beneficial bacteria, or healthy cells, as their pH levels are 7 or above, and hold a negative ion charge.Chlorine dioxide ions will oxidize – meaning vaporize – diseased cells… anything that is acidic, with a positive ion charge.If the chlorine dioxide ions encounter no pathogens or other poisons, it deteriorates into table salt and in some instances, hypochlorous acid, which the body can also use.
Oh there's plenty of evidence. A lot of people unfortunately don't know enough about science to recognize that the unverified word of ONE crank does NOT outweigh the collected collective research of the entire scientific consensus. Evidence that MMS is a bleach, evidence that strong oxidizers are toxic, evidence that NOT all diseases are anaerobic, evidence that no one has cured HIV, it all exists, but it's not said by Bishop Jim Humble so some people refuse to believe it
Google Dupont ADOX: It's an industrial sodium chlorite solution / chlorine dioxide precursor. It's activated with an acid, comes in 25%. It's basically identical to MMS. One of it's uses? Quote: "ClO2 is WIDELY used for bleaching pulp". SO, let's get this straight: it SMELLS like bleach, it TASTES like bleach, it's USED as bleach... But DON'T WORRY people, Jim Humble says it's not a bleach... WHO is giving disinformation??
Another attempt to protect the DANGEROUS DRUGS like ritalin,prozac,paxil,zoloft,avandia,actos,vioxx etc.Apparently prefers to comment about things she knows nothing about.Its funny how the pharma shill continues her nonsensical attack on safe supplements that have never killed one person.While pharmaceuticals kill over 106000 people per year and drug companies are being sued over 65000 times within 6 years for drugs causing cancers,deaths,complications etc.
Please be careful from people like sweetclaire06 since she has been famous for running around in every complementary medicine video and spreads ridiculous false and biased information that was written by individuals from wikipedia,quackwatch and science based medicine websites which would never be any credible information.Stephen Barrett is behind these people and he has lost over a dozen lawsuits for fraud and defamation.Please research credible websites not opinionated ones.
It hasn't been tested AT ALL. Never mind on enough people. There are NO verified and validated cases of MMS curing ANYTHING. So the poor sods who get talking into taking it instead of therapies which DO have well constructed, large scale randomised trials supporting them are swapping something for nothing.
Its not the harm the stuff might do which worries me. Its the harm done by what people DON'T do because they're told not too.
Like when Jim Humble says HIV does not cause aids.
Guys come on, don't ask them to verify the integrity of their information source. We all known it isn't going to happen! Seriously I have not seen any evidence that actually proves that the FDA and pharmaceutical companies are conspiring against the public for their own gain. Why do you all attack these organisations yet you blindly believe that the producers of MMS and Jim Humble aren't just trying to screw you out of your money? At least the drug companies have good credibility.
@machintruc313 I'm not even sure why your comment was directed at me. Some people smoke their whole lives and don't have any negative health effects, it's precisely the same thing. Many people could not be convinced that smoking was bad for them, some died perfectly normally from other causes, but does that mean smoking is safe?
Also I dont live in the USA, I don't care one bit about the FDA and I don't use it AT ALL as a source of information. There is a whole world outside The States you know
@machintruc313 Psy op??? diversion??? diffamation??? I think you meant defamation.
I have a friend who was diagnosed with cancer and was talked into drinking MMS and Hydrogen Peroxide. These charlatans told him they could cure his cancer, so he turned his back on the proven standard medical treatment. Now he's DYING, and it's too late for treatment because he's too sick. That's what this quackery does for serious disease like cancer. I'm warning others.You can ignore at your own peril.
@sweetclaire06 I feel sorry for your friend but I don't know where you get your information as far as dosage and cancer treatment go, but neither the dosages you talk about nor the treatment for cancer involves the use of hydrogen peroxide. As far as dosage goes, it's twice a week six drops each time for maintenance. As for cancer treatment, which hasn't been tested on enough people as far as I'm concerned, the combination is MMS and DMSO.
@machintruc313 By the way,ignore sweetclaire06,she says the same things on many complementary medicine videos and lies about friends she knew who tried supplements.She has been debunked on many videos.Nothing she says makes any sense at all.Infact their silly biased opinions and ONLY opinions.Which can never be factual.She is just a sales person who makes up false information and attacks things she has no clue about.She says things like,It's bleach ! The information was from wikipedia (Biased)
@machintruc313 its normal for her and a couple others to run around ranting and raving at things they might not understand or agree with,however,they will continue with their opinionated rambling since they are just plain biased.Nothing they say makes sense or will ever be facts.Sometimes they go on for days and it gets pathetic.They have no evidence about anything they say.
@TheFriendlyEngineer HAHAHAHAHA!!! Are you fucking serious??!? You say that we have no evidence to support our claims! The only evidence you have shown us comes from Jim Humble and he is an incredibly biased source! I reckon I'm being trolled because no one on the face of the planet could be as stupid as you people. Fuck rational arguments, you are all arrogant and dumb. I hope you all enjoy your bleach which is what it quite clearly is.
@nanagn11 I guess we have another silly shill.You have absolutely no evidence whatsoever.Infact you shills usually are blinded by stupidity.Let me ask this,lets consider the amount of drugs that have caused serious complications and deaths.I guess there was evidence,tell that to the lawyers who handled the cases.Most of the so called evidence posted for drugs are from the same workers from the drug companies.Usually its fraudulent biased trials.Nothing you say is rational,just pathetic opinions.
@TheFriendlyEngineer I disagree with this argument. What do you think the ratio is for people who take drugs to people to take things like MMS? I can tell you that millions more are taking drugs then these alternative medicines. If people become sick or die from taking MMS the number will be much less and relatively unheard of because the amount of people taking it is minuscule in comparison. Once again you fail to give evidence that MMS works though.
@nanagn11 Secondly,you are wrong about the number of people taking drugs,there have been a large increase of people using alternatives within the past decade.Infact more people die and suffer under the hands of some drug doctor or greedy drug company.You need to observe the thousands of lawsuits against pharma companies.I agree many people are conned and gullible into believing some drug/product can help when infact it causes deadly side effects and suppresses symptoms.Sounds like schemes to me
@nanagn11 Secondly,you are wrong about the number of people taking drugs,there have been a large increase of people using alternatives within the past decade.Infact more people die and suffer under the hands of some drug doctor or greedy drug company.You need to observe the thousands of lawsuits against pharma companies.I agree many people are conned and gullible into believing some drug/product can help when infact it causes deadly side effects and suppresses symptoms.Sounds like schemes to me
@nanagn11 LOL first of all,chlorine dioxide does NO damage to humans. FDA 21CFR173.300 is just one of many FDA regulations authorizing the use of chlorine dioxide to kill disease pathogens.Chlorine dioxide kills at least 95% of all disease pathogens upon contact.It is simply a known scientific fact.There are plenty of scientific papers on the Internet giving this data.
@nanagn11 The chemistry of chlorine dioxide proves that it cannot leave anything dangerous behind as it deteriorates into its component parts: sodium chlorite, sodium chlorate, and table salt (sodium chloride). They are all gone from your body within several hours.
@nanagn11 As an oxidizer chlorine dioxide is very selective. It has the ability due to unique one-electron exchange mechanism. Chlorine dioxide attacks the electron-rich center of organic molecules. One electron is transferred and chlorine dioxide is reduced to chlorite (ClO2).” Then the chlorite attracts four more electrons which rips a hole in the side of the pathogen, killing it.Absolutely no dangerous liability proven to ingesting chlorine dioxide over an extended period of time.NONE
@nanagn11 More than 5 million people have used MMS. More than 150 thousand books have been sold in Germany alone and it has been translated to over 18 languages, including Russian, Japanese, and Chinese, and is selling in most European countries. More than 50 thousand books have sold in the US. More than 5 million free MMS books have been downloaded.At least 200,000 lives have been saved to date.
hey i'm here questioning. I'm questioning where, after FOURTEEN YEARS, is ONE single piece of evidence that MMS has actually cured anyone of a serious disease?
That's the definition of questioning.
Personal experience only goes so far, eventually you have to rely on science. After all, all the worlds superstitions are based on personal experience, and so were the witch trials..
No no no. You're only supposed to question those treatments which have high empirical success rates and openly available well carried out, large scale double blinded randomised controlled trials which show their effectiveness.
You're NOT supposed to question the claims of anonymous bloggers, or snake oil salesmen flogging dodgy cure alls with no shred of evidence to support them and no sensible ratioanle.
What has harmed people are blindly following without questioning or having the courage
to find out first hand. Those who question are cast out from medicine, science, religion etc. Those that
are too successful in medicine are kicked out for not maintaining the con. Being treated for cancer is far
more harmful than not being treated. I'd much prefer people take personal empowerment than rely on an industry of medical charlatans who are paid for preserving sickness/reliance.
It worked for me! And, I had no side effects. Also use it topically for all kinds of skin disorders. Take a couple of swims in a pool and then look at your skin...it'll look healthier and more vibrant. Before jumping in, douse ourself with fresh water and then jump on in and you'll see. PO. MWUD!!!
Funny thing that. Everyone who is all anti "western medicine" and "big pharma" is happy enough to take advantage when they need it. How many people turn up to the homeopath when they have a heart attack or their reiki master with a broken leg? Why is their no such thing as an "emergency acupuncturist"?
We have a generation of twats who've never lived in fear of scarlet fever or seen children die from a simple staph infection. Easy to dismiss medicine but they'll all use it when it suits them.
@footman447 You're absolutely right. I wish we could keep a data base on these people who bash modern medicine and doctors endlessly. When they really get sick and run to the ER for life saving medical treatment they would be denied that care, and sent on their way to their chiropractic,homeopath,acupuncturist, or naturapath
The level of brain washing has turned people into Sheeple. I just started MMS three doses in, I am doing much better. I tried doctors for many years, they are drug pushers, they do not cure anyone, they MAINTAIN your sickness to make money. If anyone makes official claims that MMS cures anything they may be put in prison. Unless you are BIG PHARMA you can't cure anything. Doctors & meds kill almost 1 million Sheeple a year, all by accident! Do some research or be a Sheeple, it is all up to you
I've researched a lot into this subject and I have decided to not be a naive idiot who believes everything they are told. That is why I commit myself to arguing with people like you for my own amusement because it is completely beyond me how anyone can believe anything that MMS supposedly does.
Actually, on reflection, give up. These people would not recognise the scientific method if it saved their lives! Actually, on reflection, It has hasn't it!
Yeah FUCK doctors! With their pills and their vaccines and their antibiotics. Who did antibiotics ever help anyway?? And when you rock up in A&E with a broken leg you'll be like, "get that morphine away from me, I don't need pills!! And cancel my surgery cos you just want to make me SICKER!"
@wethesheeple1 None of this is brain washing. The immediate effects of chlorine dioxide are very well known.The long term effects aren't well known. Up until recently no one would have thought that people would actually be DRINKING a disinfectant that was meant to be used as bleach, water purification, and for cleaning and disinfecting surfaces (medical instruments, toilets, floors etc.) It was NEVER intended to be used as a medicine. Would you dilute Windex or Lysol in H2O and drink it?
Big pharma only commercializes what it can patent?? Really? Lol. Where did you get that nugget of wisdom from? Tell me genius, who owns the patent on aspirin and paracetamol? Both are billion dollar earners for the pharma companies. Oops, there goes that theory.
Second, electrolysis actually takes MORE energy then the combustion of the resulting hydrogen. And they sold his car on eBay??? Rofl! How did big oil let that slip? Conspiracy theory rubbish. Geet and tesla? Conspiracy theory rubbish.
No. kemikuls is bad and horrid things wot make us poorly. Whereas MMS is made in grammas kitchen to the same old recipe used for hundreds of years. Perfectly natural and safe. Just like Digitalis.
@footman447 "No. kemikuls is bad and horrid things wot make us poorly. Whereas MMS is made in grammas kitchen to the same old recipe used for hundreds of years. Perfectly natural and safe. Just like Digitalis. "
@Gravitytheory what he had seen and analyzed defied and challenged everything he had learned so far as a scientist. Keep on reading and analyzing what can and could be corrupted, I'll keep on poisoning myself. You know in Europe they're banning herbs that have been used as remedies for more than 6000 years in China and India. You're right, it makes sense, THEY make sense, and money(theirs) has nothing to do with that decision. The World Health Organization is here to protect us, just like Zorro.
@machintruc313 They are not banning herbs you knob head, it's marketing hype, they're trying to regulate how herbs are SOLD, and WHO are they sold by you may ask?? You might want to look it up because 99% of the herbs you can buy are produced by the same "BIG PHARMA" companies, lol. And water powered car? You're serious aren't you? Where is this "water powered car"? That's a big conspiracy too right? Big oil? This shit goes hand in hand. No surprise it's mostly nut cases that support MMS...
@mmsfraud How does it work exactly? gravitytheory peels the onions, and you cry? nice act. Big Pharma only commercializes what it can put a patent on, and you can't do that with herbs. So straight out lie (again). Then the first explosion engine produced in Switzerland in 1805 ran on hydrogen, produced by the electrolysis of water. Then Stanley Meyers went across the US in the eighties driving a Dune buggy using a few gallons of water. He was poisoned and his car sold on ebay a few years ago.
@mmsfraud he's not the only one who produced a car running exclusively on water. I also invite our readers to do a research on the GEET Pantone engine. He sales the compressors, running almost exclusively on water, and the same system was used during WW2 on American bombers. Also feel free to research Nicola Tesla and his inventions. Time is running out, make sure you've chosen the right path. There's more to life than a good paycheck ;and I don't have to support MMS, it does well by itself.
@machintruc313 I would hardly call Jim Humble a scientist.It turns out he doesn't even have a college degree. Most of his claims regarding his bio are false right down to his claiming HE invented the electric garage door opener!
@machintruc313 Banning herbs in Europe?Do you get ANYTHING right?Or do you just twist and turn the facts around to suit your conspiracy?The food supplement market, comprising products like vitamin pills and herbal supplements, is worth $50bn worldwide!There is little difference between the vitamin, herbs, and pharmaceutical industries. Key players in both include multinationals such as Roche and Aventis; BioCare, Why don't you find out the REAL truth and not just buy into conspiracy theories.
@Gravitytheory Keep on living in your books, data and dreams. You make me think of that story of the man who invented a car powered exclusively by water. He brings it to a scientist and the scientist keeps the car, puts it apart, exmamines and analyzes every little detail, puts it back all together, start the engine. The guy comes back and the scientist tells him that the car does not work, even though the engine is running in the background, still on water. The reason being that what...
Dont go threw project green life!!! FAKE FAKE FAKE!!!! I swear you'll have your day whomever is screwing people.. 3xms 3 10flod to the!!! You will reep what you sow!!!
This is fake to me.. No answer on my 198 dollar order!! Sad no return emails or calls.. You call them and their mail box is full both of them.. How dare you screw people.. may this come to you 3xms 3.. Ten fold to thee...
ME TOO THIS MUST BE FAKE!! THEY TOOK !(* DOLLARS FROM ME>>> STAY AWAY FROM THIS I SWEAR THIS IS SUCH BAD ENERGY FOR WHOMEVER IS STEALING OUR MONEY!! I SO ANGRY>>>
PLEASE HELP ME I AM SO UPSET!!! The place you have on this video.. has taken the order of 198.00 and some odd cents and not set me a DARN THINK!!! They will not return my calls and of all I am ashamed that a health sight would do this stuff.. Basically I feel ROBBED!!! Please I beg for someones help in this matter PLEASE!!! I am at a huge loss and for my health... Darn this sucks.. Please help me!!! Mia
@MzClementine Sorry you lost your money. But then again what would you expect from someone selling a complete load of bull shit scam like MMS? Be glad you only lost your money and not your health. Drinking bleach is a potentially very dangerous practice. There's NO concrete scientific proof that it cures anything let alone cancer and AIDS.
@sweetclaire06 Its not bleach my dear.. And off all I reviewed this with my Dr. She said try it. The problem is a loss. How dare people steal from people. SUCKS> But as they say 3xms 3.. !0 fold to the..
@MzClementine BTW if the doctor who told you to try drinking bleach is a Medical doctor( M.D.) I get another doctor. I would seriously doubt it was an M.D, who told you to try it.
@MzClementine I'ts Bleach. Wiki:Miracle Mineral Solution or MMS, is the product name for an aqueous solution of 28% sodium chlorite, a toxic chemical known to cause fatal renal failure. When prepared with a citric acid solution as described in its instructions for preparation, the mixture produces chlorine dioxide, a potent oxidizing agent used in water treatment and in BLEACHING You should know what you are putting into your body! Even Humble admits it's bleach.
I order my mms 3 month ago, never get them, and I said them because I orden an mms and citric acid bottle... I already send like 10 emails saying that I need an answer or something... but never get any mail back, my order number is #45781
And I never, never get my mms.. please I really need the bottle or my money back...thanks
"Yeah I work for the propaganda machine that asks for proof when someone makes extraordinary claims promoting a product."
Bastard.
You with your scientific method and your fancy city ways! Look, it works, cos uncle Jim, sorry, BISHOP Jim says it works. We don't need none a yourn randomized double blinded control trials, some random anonymous bloke on youtube said it cured him of a random condition which would have gotten better by itself and thats good enough for me!
Doesn't make a single cent huh? But offers you to join his marketing empire? Sell his books (you get a cut), asks for donations, runs courses.
Google mmsdebunked altruism.
Simple fact is, Jim CAN'T sell MMS, the MMS industry NEEDS a figure head like Jim, it wouldn't work without him. Notice how the sellers won't make the claims? Notice how Jim does everything EXCEPT sell mms? It's not a coincidence, the 'altruism' is a convenient excuse.
@mmsfraud Don't forget, for $1,000.00 you can get a Doctor of MMS Degree! Certificate for hanging on your wall included. And according to Jim it will soon be a more valuable certificate than any other certificate you can get. So all you suckers slaving away on your thesis at Harvard just stop, because this is the credential you want to have! Question? Who's more delusional Snake Oil Jim or the fools who plunk down their money for this. Maybe both? Na Jim knows exactly what he's pulling.
@Gravitytheory Chlorine dioxide is used on all the vegetables that we eat, so if it was harmful in any way it would not be allowed by the FDA. The FDA allows it on our vegetables but forbids for ingestion. It's not bleach, even though it smells like it. So you're either misinformed, which is understandable, or you're well informed, and in that case, you know what you are.
@machintruc313 You didn't get the point. If it was dangerous and a poison(just like the FDA claim it is), it shouldn't be used on vegetables and allowed to be used as a water purifier and not for personal use. Anything is a poison and dangerous if used in excess. Some people have died from drinking too much water or eating too many carrots. It's all in the dosage. I use it everyday, following the recommended dosage, and I've experienced nothing but positive results, with no side effects.
@machintruc313 OMG! You just don't get it. What Gravitytheory and others are trying to tell you is there is a difference between drinking the stuff (chlorine dioxide) at an amount of 3Grams per/day (Humble recommends this amount at least) 9 to 10 Grams is considered to be potentially lethal, and what basically amounts to ingesting trace amounts in water purification and disinfecting produce.
@machintruc313 I've been using it for a year and a half every day, and have seen the results, so yes, I know what I am. I also know what Big Pharma and her twin sister the FDA are, as well as the people who work for them.
@machintruc313 What you don't know is what effect this powerful oxidizing chemical is having on your DNA. Free radicals cause the breakdown of cells and are known to be carcinogenic. If you want to drink something that in all likelyhood causes cancer go right ahead. You won't know for sure until down the road. Thousands are saved and their lives improved every single day by medications produced by pharmaceutical companies.Myself included.
@machintruc313 The FDA was formed to protect the public.The truth is that the FDA has a tough job. They need to allow good drugs to move through while keeping out harmful and ineffective treatment. Move too late, and effective therapy doesn't get to patients. Move too soon, and we only find out about serious side effects after approval from health frauds like MMS.Don't you ever wonder why there are SO MANY different charlatans claiming they have the cure for EVERYTHING? Because they don't!
@machintruc313 Chlorine dioxide IS BLEACH! Even Jim Humble has admitted it's bleach.There's a huge difference between ingesting up to 3 Grams/per/day as Humble tells you to do. The FDA allows spraying fruit and vegetable rinses. Uncut and unpeeled, as well as cut and peeled and rinsed WELL WITH POTABLE WATER. In other words the use on fruits & veggies doesn't involve INGESTING large amounts of MMS. You need to be informed.
Yeah I work for the propaganda machine that asks for proof when someone makes extraordinary claims promoting a product. Not like spamming 10 posts in a row..
I'm not asking for much, for a start, how about a SINGLE verified case of mms curing ANY serious disease?
Wake up! If mms was really a miracle cure this should be trivially easy to find, it's been 14 years, but all we have is unverifiable testimonials and excuses. If people were really cured of aids, they'd have before and after tests
Agreed, the cleaning properties of chlorine dioxide are well documented however documentation on medicinal properties is pretty much non-existant outside of the stuff spewed out by Jim Humble.
If a substance could cure as many problems as MMS claims to, then it would be very well known by now. It doesn't matter how powerful the pharmaceutical industry is, it is an impossible task to silence the entire scientific and medical communities.
Used it to kill the Swine Flu..... it worked within 2 hours for me and my family.
No negative effects for me... both my girls threw up... and both were done with flu in 2 hours. My youngest was verified by doctors she had the swine flu. I had it for a day... having a tough time then remembered MMS. You'll find out if works for you.... read and educate yourself.
People that are bashing on MMS obviously havent tried it yet.
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OK55OK55OK 3 weeks ago
A WISE man investigates what a FOOL takes for granted. These comments that knock MMS are made by FOOLS, as they know nothing about the technology involved. Oh well, their loss.
babyboominbastard 4 weeks ago
Did you beat cancer or was this the last video. If you beat the cancer than I would be interested in knowing since you mention you were given only 3 months to live at one point.
successpayswell 1 month ago
thankyou very much great video.....ive tryed this mms and it works....thankyou
stewartdmoorephotos 1 month ago
CLOROX BLEACH AND A SCAM! DON'T INJURE YOURSELF FUTHER BY DRINKING SMALL AMOUNTS OF CLORINE BLEACH!
ramrod20042000 1 month ago 2
The proper way to mix this bilge is to tip it straight down the sink.
drxym 1 month ago
What the Fck is MMS ? and Don't Tell Me "Miracle Mineral Solution" Which is a Title Which Tells a Person Nothing.
Sounds Like the Coloidal Silver Scam in a New Format.
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deadadelta 1 month ago
What's the poind ot acidifying it if you drink it and it all comes in contact with very acidic stomach acid? It's stupid, and it's proof this is something a madman made up.
Drinking bleach, for god sake. Quackery, that's what it is.
endimion17 2 months ago
Have been swishing in mouth for 3 months, and drinking about 10 drops a day.
This product is everything I was hoping for.
Feel a lot more balanced and alive.
Have also become one of the best in country at my sport, due to increased athletic ability.
Sevenelevensean 2 months ago
@Sevenelevensean You're aware you're drinking bleach that slowly destroys your blood cells and liver?
endimion17 2 months ago
@endimion17 I've seen this kind of thing a lot, brand new account, no activity except a positive MMS testimonial on a youtube video, and then gone.. Hyeah riiight, that's perfectly normal, not suspicious at all.. lol.
mmsfraud 2 months ago
i orderd the 50% citric acid solution. si does this mean just 1 drop of it tothe 1 drop of sodium chlorite?
dblay27 3 months ago
@dblay27 Yes it does for the 50%.
drfinest1 3 months ago in playlist mms natural cures cancer hiv and other ilness
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wilby1414 3 months ago
Look clearly einsteindrieu has an arse to mouth fetish and probably homosexual tendencies
nanagn11 4 months ago
I'm actually curious to know how that would even work!
MMSFraud, how will you cope if you are NOT able to contact einsteindrieu? Will your life become an empty unfulfilled wasteland without his wisdom and charm?
I bet it will.
footman447 4 months ago
Ouch! That's the 1st time someone has threatened to "bite me a new ass hole". I'm not 100% sure what that would actually involve, but it sure does sound unpleasant!
Note to self: Do NOT contact einsteindrieu..
mmsfraud 4 months ago
Ouch! That's the 1st time someone has threatened to "bite me a new ass hole". I'm not 100% sure what that would actually involve, but it sure does sound unpleasant!
Note to self: Do NOT contact einsteindrieu..
mmsfraud 4 months ago
mmsfraud's channel it suck's--wrong death channel !---I'll bite you a new ass hole if you contect me !!!!!!!!!!!!!-
einsteindrieu 4 months ago
Certainly all irrelevant. I never ceased to be impressed how deftly MMS salesmen, sorry, supporters shift the debate off of MMS and onto other medications. As if, for example, if a load of cynical beady eyed drs WERE in cahoots with beg pharma to kill us all and if they COULD prove it, that would somehow render MMS more effective by inference!
MMS doesn't work. There is no coherent rationale and no evidence. None. Whether Vioxx is a wonder drug or poison is utterly irrelevant to that fact.
footman447 4 months ago
And what about the 79,970,000 people who were NOT adversely affected by vioxx? People with arthritis suffering chronic and acute pain, who lived with some measure of relief for six years? What about them? Have you read the testimonials from people who WISH they could still get vioxx because nothing else has been quite as effective? What about the doctors who argue that if vioxx was NOT given to people with existing heart conditions and not in high doses it would be safe? All bullshit I suppose?
mmsfraud 4 months ago
@mmsfraud Look clearly all the doctors and patients are in on it and have been completely bought out. Those people suffering should take MMS, it only has no adverse side effects that we know of. In case this doesn't get across properly I'm being sarcastic and MMS is completely unproven. Seriously though there are side effects of MMS as well which have the capability of killing a person. But that doesn't matter because it cures everything.
nanagn11 4 months ago
What if you were taking asprin? Or MMS? Would you know then? Of course you wouldn't, you COULDN'T know! That's the whole point! So how can we EVER know? The ONLY reliable way is to do good science! which for medicine means well controlled trials. It's not a game scientists play for fun, it's the only way we know that works! All these conspiracy theories are SO black and white, the truth is shades of grey! Medicine is HARD! Sometimes it's risky, there are no miracle cures, but that's life!
mmsfraud 4 months ago
People who took vioxx had an increase in risk of heart attack from 0.1% to 0.4%? Do you understand what that means? Instead of 1 in 1000 dying from heart arrack, 4 in 1000 died. Do you think that YOU or ME would notice that? If you had a heart attack while on vioxx would you KNOW what caused it? Would you know if you were the 1 in 1000 that would have had a heart attack anyway, or the other 3 that wouldn't? It's not like people were taking a pill and dropping dead two seconds later.
mmsfraud 4 months ago
So let me get this straight, doctors, government officials, regulatory bodies. Scientists, all over the entire WORLD are ALL bought out and corrupt.. But LAWYERS!? They're immune to corruption? Gee, lucky for those honest lawyers! Pharma can buy out governments, buy out doctors and hospitals, but not lawyers? Give me a break, the conspiracy theory has more holes then Swiss cheese.
mmsfraud 4 months ago
Obviously just like the creation v evolution debate that you brought up, this is a religious argument for you. It's based on faith and belief, not science and evidence. And just like a religious argument, it's a complete waste of time to even try to discuss this with you. Go debate some Catholics.
mmsfraud 4 months ago
Sodium chlorite is a chlorine dioxide precursor, it IS used for water treatment, activated with an acid, just like MMS! Google Dupont ADOX, it's sodium chlorite, chlorine dioxide precursor, activated with an acid, JUST LIKE MMS! It even comes in 25% solution. It's uses? Bleaching pulp, potable and waste water treatment, odor control, in line sanitizer, bactericide in food production and HIV cure.. I added that last one, because it's ridiculous!
mmsfraud 4 months ago
Give me a break, you can't even cite a reliable source that MMS is 1ppm! It's NOT. Chlorine dioxide HAS been studied for water purification and the max dose has even been revised down. The rule of thumb is if you can smell it, it might NOT be safe to consume. As I said, pharma drugs has NOTHING to do with this, it's a diversion! Many alternative health websites warn of the dangers of MMS, I listed 5 already, there's more, how many can you find that support it? If you find 5 I'll be surprised.
mmsfraud 4 months ago
@mmsfraud LOL you still quote from uncredible websites,go figure.I am still waiting for sufficient evidence to support your claims.I am not talking about large doses of chlorine dioxide.I am talking about the actual ppm and other ingredients to the solution.Again I am not talking about CIO2 being studied for water purification.When used as an activated sodium chlorite.Basically chlorine dioxide does not create trihalomethanes.
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
@mmsfraud Its an active compound used to create a product.Its funny how you keep repeating yourself.
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
TWELVE POSTS in a row?! That's gotta be a record.. You're NOT saying anything I haven't heard before, it's all the same bullshit that Jim humble says! Mix in some REAL studies, like ClO2 is an effective antiseptic, then throw in some wild assumptions, extrapolate and come to completely UNJUSTIFIED conclusions! You reference REAL studies, where is ONE study that actually supports your conclusion that MMS cures ANYTHING? Show one reference that says 'good bacteria' are immune from ClO2? Bullshit!
mmsfraud 4 months ago
@mmsfraud LOL the only rubbish I am seeing is from you,infact the information is behond your comprehension.MMS is a supplement which contains 1ppm chlorine dioxide which infact is activated sodium chlorite.There is not one shred of evidence from what you have said that shows any harm to humans when taking mms.I can however show you over a dozen drugs that killed and injured thousands of people though.Its obvious that its not high doses of 500 ppm.Show me evidence that good bacteria is destroyed
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
@mmsfraud Show me evidence of the combination of solutions cannot help.I am not talking about your assumptions and your biased views especially for someone who does not understand mms.I guess next you will tell me evolution is a fact because thats what you learnt in some book.Its obvious the fda only approves drugs for a treatment and not supplements because it is regarded as food.Nothing has shown mms to be dangerous when used at correct doses.
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
Right, except it's NOT even a dichotomy!! I could HATE big pharma AND believe the conspiracy, that does NOT mean MMS works. In fact there are MANY pharma hating 'alternative medicine' websites which criticize Jim and MMS!
Google MMS and these sites: sott net, gaia-health com, healthwyze org, trance-health com, wariscrime com. These sites are all critical of pharma, they don't sell anything, they have NOTHING to gain from criticizing MMS. How do you explain them?
mmsfraud 4 months ago
If anyone actually has a reasonable criticism of ANY of my claims, instead of putting words in my mouth and just accusing me of being a shill, I'll be happy to discuss it.
If MMS really cured people of serious diseases, after 14 years there should be MANY people with test results, OBJECTIVE evidence, not just random testimonials on the Internet and excuses. I've been searching for over a year, but I have NOT found a SINGLE person with tests proving MMS cured them. That's easily disproved.
mmsfraud 4 months ago
@mmsfraud You are apparently looking at ,again,biased sources which is not actual research.You would have researched that MMS contains 28% of activated sodium chlorite to make chlorine dioxide,mix 5 drops of 10% citric acid with each drop of MMS.There is a dosage for therapeutic use you obviously have to follow.I mentioned the difference between chlorine and chlorine dioxide to prove a little point.
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
@mmsfraud Chlorine dioxide and chlorine are not the same. Chlorine is a chemical element. In ion form, chlorine is part of common salt and other compounds, and necessary to most forms of life, including human. A powerful oxidizing agent, it is the most abundant dissolved ion in ocean water, and readily combines with nearly every other element, including sodium to form salt crystals, and magnesium, as magnesium chloride.
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
@mmsfraud Chlorine dioxide is a chemical compound that consists of one chlorine ion bound to two ions of oxygen.Oxidizing agents are chemical compounds that readily accept electrons from “electron donors.” They gain electrons via chemical reaction. This is important because relative to chlorine dioxide, all pathogens are electron donors.Chlorine dioxide is extremely volatile. You might call it “hot tempered,” but in a very beneficial way.
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
@mmsfraud This volatility is a key factor in chlorine dioxide’s effectiveness as a pathogen destroyer.
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
@mmsfraud The MMS solution is 28% sodium chlorite in distilled water. You can produce chlorine dioxide with a single drop, when an “activator” of vinegar, lemon juice, or a 10% solution of citric acid is added.
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
@mmsfraud Applications” of chlorine dioxide range from 1 drop to a maximum of 15, except in life critical situations, where the maximum may be doubled. A “maintenance application” is six drops, with ¼ teaspoon of activator added. After adding the activator, the chemical reaction that turns sodium chlorite into chlorine dioxide takes only about three minutes.
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
@mmsfraud The activating ingredient in vinegar that makes the change possible is acetic acid. It also sets the stage for what happens when the chlorine dioxide ions enter the bloodstream. This weak acid acts like a blasting cap by lowering the pH of the chlorine dioxide, without setting it off.The natural pH of sodium chlorite is 13. Adding vinegar, lemon juice, or citric acid) creates about 3 mg of unstable but still harmless chlorine dioxide.
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
@mmsfraud However, the concentrations used in such applications can vary from 500 to over 6,000 parts per million (ppm), which would clearly be deadly to an individual. Using the MMS protocol you will produce chlorine dioxide in the range of 1 ppm.
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
@mmsfraud Numerous scientific studies have demonstrated that chlorine – part of the halogen family of elements – creates as least three carcinogenic compounds when it enters the body, principally trihalomethanes (THMs). There has been no such evidence of harmful compounds being produced from chlorine dioxide.
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
@mmsfraud Research has proven chlorine dioxide to be much safer than chlorine, as it is selective for pathogens when used in water. Furthermore, it does not create harmful compounds from other constituents in the water as chlorine does.
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
Ok, you accuse me of things I never said, AND admit it, you accuse me of biased and unreliable sources when your source is Jim humble. You OBVIOUSLY just WANT to believe what you want to believe. Good luck chugging the bleach.
mmsfraud 4 months ago
@mmsfraud Again,another foolish naive and ignorant comment,you have superceded all other asanine comments.Thus proves your insanity and arrogance.I know your sources are from immature pharma trolls and shills.
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
@mmsfraud Goodluck chugging your dangerous paxil and ritalin.
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
Huh? Who said anything about chlorine? What chlorine can do but chlorine dioxide doesn't is irrelevant. Chlorine dioxide is a strong oxidizer, do you doubt that? Every source will confirm this, every MSDS, any chemistry text, any agency, any producer of chlorine dioxide precursors, they ALL confirm it is a strong oxidizer. That's NOT my opinion, it's a FACT. Strong oxidizers are the opposite of anti-oxidants, that also is not an opinion.
mmsfraud 4 months ago
And what does chloride in the oceans have to do with anything? You're not mixing up chloride and chlorite by any chance are you?
mmsfraud 4 months ago
@mmsfraud No but apparently you are mixing up solutions,I did mention clearly about Chlorine dioxide not being carcinogenic but can completely eliminate and treats contaminants like viruses, water bacteria, giardia, botulism cryptosporidium, e. coli and cholera. The recommended dosage has never been proven to cause harm or deaths in humans.No documented evidence,just pure gossip.
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
I don't know the difference between chlorine and chlorine dioxide? What do you base that on? I never said MMS was just chlorine. It sounds like you're reading what you want to read rather then what I actually wrote.
mmsfraud 4 months ago
@mmsfraud Silly man,if you understood your own words,you would have recognized that you are contrary.You keep making false claims,again you know NOTHING about it.So keep quiet shill.
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
Oh please, biased and unreliable sources? But Jim Humble is unbiased and reliable is he? There are MANY sources which directly contradict Jim's claims about all diseases NOT being anaerobic, this is NOT an "opinion". Buy please enlighten us, point us to ONE SINGLE reliable source which corroborates Jim Humble's claims then. There are NO even barely credible sources which support ANY of Jim's claims.
mmsfraud 4 months ago
@mmsfraud Well I have not seen ANY credible sources that backs up your silly argument,frankly its boring.Don't you know that chlorine by itself can create trihalomethanes? Chlorine dioxide cannot,lol I am certain you did not know that quack.Also you should know that it doesn't give rise to the formation of chloroform and bromochloromethane AS chlorine does.It does not even react with ammonia,nitrogenous compounds of precursors to form chloroform as chlorine does.YET you say its not safe? LOL!
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
What's the source for the figures about how many books have been sold and how many people have used it? Let me guess, was it Jim Humble?? and you accuse US of believing "biased" sources like Wikipedia?? I swear some people live in backwards land. There is no MORE biased source then Jim Humble regarding this topic.
mmsfraud 4 months ago
@mmsfraud Apparently you get fooled easily by the words "medical advice" lol.The medical/pharmaceutical industry are the 4th leading cause of death worldwide.The drugs actually CAUSE rises in heart disease,strokes,deaths etc.American people are actually incredibly gullible,there is no science like I said,pure marketing and greed.Go ahead and take your poison and live with ten serious side effects which will create new problems and complications.Nothing you say is objective but pure nonsense.
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
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@mmsfraud Apparently you get fooled easily by the words "medical advice" lol.The medical/pharmaceutical industry are the 4th leading cause of death worldwide.The drugs actually CAUSE rises in heart disease,strokes,deaths etc.American people are actually incredibly gullible,there is no science like I said,pure marketing and greed.Go ahead and take your poison and live with ten serious side effects which will create new problems and complications.Nothing you say is objective but pure nonsense.
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
@mmsfraud Apparently you DO NOT know the difference between chlorine dioxide and chlorine.Do you know the oceans are made with chloride?If you don't,well look up wikipedia lol.You obviously have to use the recommended dosage just like everything else.One is actually a reactive compound and the other can react.Its not a matter of a single element you quack.Do ACTUAL research before you comment.
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
Fraud is in every industry, especially the poorly regulated alternative medicine industry. At least with pharma there's a CHANCE you can sue someone, with MMS who are you going to sue? Jim? Who didn't sell it and lives in thr Dominican republic? Good luck with that. Or the place you bought it which I guarantee sells it as "water purifier" and has big disclaimers about NOT giving any medical advice and to consume it at your own risk. You'd be laughed out of court for being an idiot.
mmsfraud 4 months ago
Listen to what you're writing? Pharma sued? Jail? Fraud trials?? All that PROVES that there is no conspiracy! I thought pharma had the 'governments bought out' and all the doctors and scientists. What? They ran out of money to buy the courts and lawyers? BULLSHIT! Fraud exists everywhere, but we have systems in place to fight it, people and companies CAN and DO get caught and punished. It's far from perfect, but it EXISTS! You're just disproving your own conspiracy theory! Lol.
mmsfraud 4 months ago
@TheFriendlyEngineer you obviously know NOTHING about me if you accuse me of NOT doing research. I've been investigating MMS for about 18 months and I've been running a website called MMS Debunked for over a year. I regularly get emails from MMS users and I've been active on dozens of health forums regarding MMS. There are probably not many people here who have investigated it more then me.
mmsfraud 4 months ago
@mmsfraud MMS debunked never debunked anything,just silly opinions as usual.You never investigate one thing.You are just another silly internet worthless waste of time that has nothing better to do but to quote from biased and uncredible sources.Nothing you say will be based on any factual evidence.
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
Engineer, what did MMS cure you of?
mmsfraud 4 months ago
Let's look at vioxx, shall we? Given to roughly 80 million people over six years. $2.4 BILLION a YEAR drug. Implicated in about 30,000 deaths, mostly in users who ALREADY had heart conditions. Who uncovered this 'conspiracy'? Was it some lone maverick? A 'Jim Humble' type? NO WAY! It was numerous teams of dedicated scientists and doctors AROUND THE WORLD who performed more rigorous trials over several YEARS! You think it's even possible to notice a 0.4% increase in risk otherwise?
mmsfraud 4 months ago
@mmsfraud Science? Drug companies hide behind the name when infact its called marketing products.You need to get your head out of the gutter and do proper research.There are many so called doctors and scientists exposed the fraud of the pharmaceutical industry.Dr.John Virapen actually worked for 35 yrs in the industry,Dr.Peter Breggin,Dr.Rima Laibow,Dr.Ray Sahelian etc,every month there is a new lawsuit because of deaths worldwide and ppl suffer because of marketing.You do not know anything.
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
@TheFriendlyEngineer No one says there aren't problems with the pharma industry, but to think there is some sort of global systemic conspiracy of suppression is ridiculous! There are still universities, government and even independent labs that do clinical trials. Different countries and different pharma companies COMPETE with each other to make the "next big thing". You think they give a shit what the FDA says in France or China? FAT CHANCE! Wake up! It's the global information age.
mmsfraud 4 months ago
@mmsfraud so when the pharma doctors swear an oath saying,first do no harm.I guess its a global information age excuse.When drugs are prescribed by a pharma doc to a patient believing that they will get results,instead they get 10 serious side effects or death.Well if that is not harm,I dont know what is.Its always an excuse with you people.Read the book,Side effect deaths by Dr.Virapen.Name one evidence of deaths from a credible source concerning mms.Please inspire me.
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
@TheFriendlyEngineer Name one evidence of MMS curing a SINGLE person of a chronic or serious disease from a credible source.
Everything in life is a risk vs reward scenario, even medicine. If you have a 1 in 5 chance of dying if you take medicine, but a 3 in 5 if you don't, are you stupid for taking the medicine? Is it a "conspiracy"?
On the other hand there is absolutely NO proof that MMS cures ANYTHING, even if the risks are slight they outweigh any possible benefit.
mmsfraud 4 months ago
@mmsfraud You have not given one piece of evidence to back up your silly gossip and asanine comments.Proves to me that you are another worthless shill.The same goes for if I ought to ask you to show me the benefits of Actos diabetes drug.You might tell me well it has been proven to do x.When in fact just last month the drug company is being sued large sums of money for the drug causing bladder cancer and heart failures.Explain that to me.Or maybe it is another fraud in big pharma you cover up.
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
@TheFriendlyEngineer They are companies just like any other and ultimately they cannot operate without making money. If they get sued as much as you claim then of course they would be uninterested in financially disadvantageous drugs. If you are correct then my observation would be that they clearly need more money for research instead of being unable to afford as rigorous research because they have to pay off all the people that re suing them.
nanagn11 4 months ago
@nanagn11 research zyprexa lawsuit and side effects.Marketing and schemes are more like it.Research Paxil clinical trial fraud also.
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
@TheFriendlyEngineer So? What does that PROVE? It proves that people who commit health fraud DO get caught sometimes, even if they work for "big pharma". Ask yourself WHO catches them? Is it Jim Humble? Of course it's NOT. It's regulatory bodies like the FDA, that's what they are for!
AND AGAIN! It's got NOTHING to do with the question "Does MMS actually CURE any serious diseases?" After 14 years there is NO evidence that it does.
mmsfraud 4 months ago
@mmsfraud you are clearly deluded if you honestly believe the fda has your interest when the people involved belonged to conspiracies,infact its the millions of reports patients and families report to lawfirms,the fraudulent thing about thw fda is that they pass the drugs knowing its dangerous yet hundreds of thousands end up dead or seriously injured from side effects.A good example is zyprexa or even others like plavix or vioxx etc.A new one is avandia or actos.The fda passed them.
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
@mmsfraud you are clearly deluded if you honestly believe the fda has your interest when the people involved belonged to conspiracies,infact its the millions of reports patients and families report to lawfirms,the fraudulent thing about thw fda is that they pass the drugs knowing its dangerous yet hundreds of thousands end up dead or seriously injured from side effects.A good example is zyprexa or even others like plavix or vioxx etc.A new one is avandia or actos.The fda passed them.
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
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@mmsfraud you are clearly deluded if you honestly believe the fda has your interest when the people involved belonged to conspiracies,infact its the millions of reports patients and families report to lawfirms,the fraudulent thing about thw fda is that they pass the drugs knowing its dangerous yet hundreds of thousands end up dead or seriously injured from side effects.A good example is zyprexa or even others like plavix or vioxx etc.A new one is avandia or actos.The fda passed them.
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
@mmsfraud FDA? No chance,infact the people who works with the group have been involved with conspiracies worldwode,esp western society which statistics have shown to have the most obese and chronic disease ridden in the world.America is the 38th in healthcare.
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
@TheFriendlyEngineer yeah and I don't live in america and I don't give a shit about the FDA. And I guarantee China doesn't give a shit about the FDA, and neither do the Scandinavian countries and neither does France, neither does Russia.
The fact is, none of this has ANYTHING to do with "does MMS cure anything?" to answer THAT question, you have to look at the evidence, and after 14 years, there is NO evidence it has EVER cured anyone of HIV or ANY chronic or serious illness
mmsfraud 4 months ago
@mmsfraud maybe you should stop being judgemental and biase about things you never researched.Just because you do not know about it,its fraud.Nobody was convicted and evidence was never presented for fraud.I can post many information on the fraud in the pharmaceuticals though.I have personal experience also.Anyway keep an open mind and dont draw conclusions from pharma shills or biased websites for information.
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
@TheFriendlyEngineer My last comment was meant to directed at you. The pharmaceutical companies are not the dominating force in the medical/scientific communities. If a scientist discovered and proved that a chemical such as MMS cured cancer or HIV, there would be no way to silence them or pay him to keep quiet. This discovery would be one of the greatest of this century and make that scientist renowned throughout the world. There is no way a pharma could pay out everyone to keep quiet about it.
nanagn11 4 months ago
@nanagn11 Actually you fail to give evidence to prove that mms does not work.Apparently you have not done any research on the suppression of cures.There have been many honest scientists worldwide that have been curing certain illnesses and have been silenced or jailed.It is a conspiracy.Infact certain pharma doctors came out and exposed the industry.Infact you cannot patent certain products like you do with drugs.Only if pharmaceutical companies benefit,then food and drug will side with them.
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
@nanagn11 220,000 people died last year after taking an FDA-approved drug prescribed by a doctor? Drugs have been taken off the shelves and drug companies issued lawsuits,13 psychiatrists were jailed for 7 years for fraudulent clinical trials for GSK for Paxil. Well that is a fact and it is well documented on the Internet.Not one person worldwide died from any logical connection with chlorine dioxide (MMS)
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
@mmsfraud As mmsfraud said, it would be quite literally impossible to silence the entire scientific and medical communities if something as big as a cure for HIV came out. Another point is that a lot of medical scientists enjoy what they do and chose to join the profession not for money but for the enjoyment they get from discovering new things. This profession is unlike many others, these people are not unskilled workers.
nanagn11 4 months ago
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@mmsfraud As mmsfraud said, it would be quite literally impossible to silence the entire scientific and medical communities if something as big as a cure for HIV came out. Another point is that a lot of medical scientists enjoy what they do and chose to join the profession not for money but for the enjoyment they get from discovering new things. This profession is unlike many others, these people are not unskilled workers.
nanagn11 4 months ago
@mmsfraud This is why, the American Society of Analytical Chemists proclaimed chlorine dioxide to be the most powerful pathogen killer known to man. It has even been used to clean up after anthrax attacks.Once it is introduced into the bloodstream, chlorine dioxide performs a highly energetic acceptance of four electrons when it comes across any cell that is below a pH value of 7.
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
@mmsfraud Your calculations are incorrect,you seem to get your information from biased wikipedia and its normal for a follower who cannot think for himself to do so.There are many people around the world have cured illnesses but have been censored by some agency.You are clearly ignorant and arrogant in your posts.Bleach? Well I used it and I am not dead.I get my regular checks and blood work in the lab.I am most likely healthier than you.Go take your drugs.Allow people to scheme you,its a choice
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
@TheFriendlyEngineer I've actually read a lot about Vioxx, my information is not from wikipedia, which is very well referenced by the way.
There are many people out there who make shit up and try to profit from it too. Do you think health fraud is a myth?
Of course you aren't dead, but everything is a risk vs reward. There are NO documented cases of MMS curing anything, but CRAP loads of testimonials like yours. You're healthy, why take it? Why hasn't someone cured of HIV come forward, ever?
mmsfraud 4 months ago
@mmsfraud The chlorine dioxide equipped cells do not oxidize beneficial bacteria, or healthy cells, as their pH levels are 7 or above, and hold a negative ion charge.Chlorine dioxide ions will oxidize – meaning vaporize – diseased cells… anything that is acidic, with a positive ion charge.If the chlorine dioxide ions encounter no pathogens or other poisons, it deteriorates into table salt and in some instances, hypochlorous acid, which the body can also use.
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
Oh there's plenty of evidence. A lot of people unfortunately don't know enough about science to recognize that the unverified word of ONE crank does NOT outweigh the collected collective research of the entire scientific consensus. Evidence that MMS is a bleach, evidence that strong oxidizers are toxic, evidence that NOT all diseases are anaerobic, evidence that no one has cured HIV, it all exists, but it's not said by Bishop Jim Humble so some people refuse to believe it
mmsfraud 4 months ago
Google Dupont ADOX: It's an industrial sodium chlorite solution / chlorine dioxide precursor. It's activated with an acid, comes in 25%. It's basically identical to MMS. One of it's uses? Quote: "ClO2 is WIDELY used for bleaching pulp". SO, let's get this straight: it SMELLS like bleach, it TASTES like bleach, it's USED as bleach... But DON'T WORRY people, Jim Humble says it's not a bleach... WHO is giving disinformation??
mmsfraud 4 months ago
Another attempt to protect the DANGEROUS DRUGS like ritalin,prozac,paxil,zoloft,avandia,actos,vioxx etc.Apparently prefers to comment about things she knows nothing about.Its funny how the pharma shill continues her nonsensical attack on safe supplements that have never killed one person.While pharmaceuticals kill over 106000 people per year and drug companies are being sued over 65000 times within 6 years for drugs causing cancers,deaths,complications etc.
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
Please be careful from people like sweetclaire06 since she has been famous for running around in every complementary medicine video and spreads ridiculous false and biased information that was written by individuals from wikipedia,quackwatch and science based medicine websites which would never be any credible information.Stephen Barrett is behind these people and he has lost over a dozen lawsuits for fraud and defamation.Please research credible websites not opinionated ones.
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
It hasn't been tested AT ALL. Never mind on enough people. There are NO verified and validated cases of MMS curing ANYTHING. So the poor sods who get talking into taking it instead of therapies which DO have well constructed, large scale randomised trials supporting them are swapping something for nothing.
Its not the harm the stuff might do which worries me. Its the harm done by what people DON'T do because they're told not too.
Like when Jim Humble says HIV does not cause aids.
footman447 4 months ago
Those who are meant to hear will understand
Those who are not meant to understand will not hear.
- Confucius-
machintruc313 4 months ago
Guys come on, don't ask them to verify the integrity of their information source. We all known it isn't going to happen! Seriously I have not seen any evidence that actually proves that the FDA and pharmaceutical companies are conspiring against the public for their own gain. Why do you all attack these organisations yet you blindly believe that the producers of MMS and Jim Humble aren't just trying to screw you out of your money? At least the drug companies have good credibility.
nanagn11 4 months ago
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@nanaqn11 Ha ha ha!
machintruc313 4 months ago
@machintruc313 I'm not even sure why your comment was directed at me. Some people smoke their whole lives and don't have any negative health effects, it's precisely the same thing. Many people could not be convinced that smoking was bad for them, some died perfectly normally from other causes, but does that mean smoking is safe?
Also I dont live in the USA, I don't care one bit about the FDA and I don't use it AT ALL as a source of information. There is a whole world outside The States you know
mmsfraud 4 months ago
@sweetclaire06 Psy op , diversion and diffamation are overrated. I'm sure you could find a better job.
machintruc313 4 months ago
@machintruc313 Psy op??? diversion??? diffamation??? I think you meant defamation.
I have a friend who was diagnosed with cancer and was talked into drinking MMS and Hydrogen Peroxide. These charlatans told him they could cure his cancer, so he turned his back on the proven standard medical treatment. Now he's DYING, and it's too late for treatment because he's too sick. That's what this quackery does for serious disease like cancer. I'm warning others.You can ignore at your own peril.
sweetclaire06 4 months ago
@sweetclaire06 I feel sorry for your friend but I don't know where you get your information as far as dosage and cancer treatment go, but neither the dosages you talk about nor the treatment for cancer involves the use of hydrogen peroxide. As far as dosage goes, it's twice a week six drops each time for maintenance. As for cancer treatment, which hasn't been tested on enough people as far as I'm concerned, the combination is MMS and DMSO.
machintruc313 4 months ago
@machintruc313 By the way,ignore sweetclaire06,she says the same things on many complementary medicine videos and lies about friends she knew who tried supplements.She has been debunked on many videos.Nothing she says makes any sense at all.Infact their silly biased opinions and ONLY opinions.Which can never be factual.She is just a sales person who makes up false information and attacks things she has no clue about.She says things like,It's bleach ! The information was from wikipedia (Biased)
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
@TheFriendlyEngineer I did not ignore her, the conversation was continued somewhere else.
machintruc313 4 months ago
@machintruc313 its normal for her and a couple others to run around ranting and raving at things they might not understand or agree with,however,they will continue with their opinionated rambling since they are just plain biased.Nothing they say makes sense or will ever be facts.Sometimes they go on for days and it gets pathetic.They have no evidence about anything they say.
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
@TheFriendlyEngineer HAHAHAHAHA!!! Are you fucking serious??!? You say that we have no evidence to support our claims! The only evidence you have shown us comes from Jim Humble and he is an incredibly biased source! I reckon I'm being trolled because no one on the face of the planet could be as stupid as you people. Fuck rational arguments, you are all arrogant and dumb. I hope you all enjoy your bleach which is what it quite clearly is.
nanagn11 4 months ago
@nanagn11 I guess we have another silly shill.You have absolutely no evidence whatsoever.Infact you shills usually are blinded by stupidity.Let me ask this,lets consider the amount of drugs that have caused serious complications and deaths.I guess there was evidence,tell that to the lawyers who handled the cases.Most of the so called evidence posted for drugs are from the same workers from the drug companies.Usually its fraudulent biased trials.Nothing you say is rational,just pathetic opinions.
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
@TheFriendlyEngineer I disagree with this argument. What do you think the ratio is for people who take drugs to people to take things like MMS? I can tell you that millions more are taking drugs then these alternative medicines. If people become sick or die from taking MMS the number will be much less and relatively unheard of because the amount of people taking it is minuscule in comparison. Once again you fail to give evidence that MMS works though.
nanagn11 4 months ago
@nanagn11 Secondly,you are wrong about the number of people taking drugs,there have been a large increase of people using alternatives within the past decade.Infact more people die and suffer under the hands of some drug doctor or greedy drug company.You need to observe the thousands of lawsuits against pharma companies.I agree many people are conned and gullible into believing some drug/product can help when infact it causes deadly side effects and suppresses symptoms.Sounds like schemes to me
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
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@nanagn11 Secondly,you are wrong about the number of people taking drugs,there have been a large increase of people using alternatives within the past decade.Infact more people die and suffer under the hands of some drug doctor or greedy drug company.You need to observe the thousands of lawsuits against pharma companies.I agree many people are conned and gullible into believing some drug/product can help when infact it causes deadly side effects and suppresses symptoms.Sounds like schemes to me
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
@nanagn11 LOL first of all,chlorine dioxide does NO damage to humans. FDA 21CFR173.300 is just one of many FDA regulations authorizing the use of chlorine dioxide to kill disease pathogens.Chlorine dioxide kills at least 95% of all disease pathogens upon contact.It is simply a known scientific fact.There are plenty of scientific papers on the Internet giving this data.
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
@nanagn11 The chemistry of chlorine dioxide proves that it cannot leave anything dangerous behind as it deteriorates into its component parts: sodium chlorite, sodium chlorate, and table salt (sodium chloride). They are all gone from your body within several hours.
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
@nanagn11 As an oxidizer chlorine dioxide is very selective. It has the ability due to unique one-electron exchange mechanism. Chlorine dioxide attacks the electron-rich center of organic molecules. One electron is transferred and chlorine dioxide is reduced to chlorite (ClO2).” Then the chlorite attracts four more electrons which rips a hole in the side of the pathogen, killing it.Absolutely no dangerous liability proven to ingesting chlorine dioxide over an extended period of time.NONE
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
@nanagn11 More than 5 million people have used MMS. More than 150 thousand books have been sold in Germany alone and it has been translated to over 18 languages, including Russian, Japanese, and Chinese, and is selling in most European countries. More than 50 thousand books have sold in the US. More than 5 million free MMS books have been downloaded.At least 200,000 lives have been saved to date.
TheFriendlyEngineer 4 months ago
Diluted internal Clorox! A test tube and the human body are vastly different.
ramrod20042000 4 months ago
28% Sodium Chlorite not chloride, their is a difference.
shadowstalker2011 4 months ago
hey i'm here questioning. I'm questioning where, after FOURTEEN YEARS, is ONE single piece of evidence that MMS has actually cured anyone of a serious disease?
That's the definition of questioning.
Personal experience only goes so far, eventually you have to rely on science. After all, all the worlds superstitions are based on personal experience, and so were the witch trials..
mmsfraud 4 months ago
@mmsfraud
No no no. You're only supposed to question those treatments which have high empirical success rates and openly available well carried out, large scale double blinded randomised controlled trials which show their effectiveness.
You're NOT supposed to question the claims of anonymous bloggers, or snake oil salesmen flogging dodgy cure alls with no shred of evidence to support them and no sensible ratioanle.
THOSE you should accept without question.
Hope that clears it up.
footman447 4 months ago
What has harmed people are blindly following without questioning or having the courage
to find out first hand. Those who question are cast out from medicine, science, religion etc. Those that
are too successful in medicine are kicked out for not maintaining the con. Being treated for cancer is far
more harmful than not being treated. I'd much prefer people take personal empowerment than rely on an industry of medical charlatans who are paid for preserving sickness/reliance.
SuperMarkjunior 4 months ago
MMS seems to be a wonderful opportunity for those who have been financially or
pharmaceutically raped by the medical industry.
SuperMarkjunior 4 months ago
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@SuperMarkjunior
"MMS seems to be a wonderful opportunity for those who have been financially or
pharmaceutically raped by the medical industry"
.... to be raped AGAIN by the unregulated sector of the medical industry.
footman447 4 months ago
It worked for me! And, I had no side effects. Also use it topically for all kinds of skin disorders. Take a couple of swims in a pool and then look at your skin...it'll look healthier and more vibrant. Before jumping in, douse ourself with fresh water and then jump on in and you'll see. PO. MWUD!!!
manwhatupduck 5 months ago
Funny thing that. Everyone who is all anti "western medicine" and "big pharma" is happy enough to take advantage when they need it. How many people turn up to the homeopath when they have a heart attack or their reiki master with a broken leg? Why is their no such thing as an "emergency acupuncturist"?
We have a generation of twats who've never lived in fear of scarlet fever or seen children die from a simple staph infection. Easy to dismiss medicine but they'll all use it when it suits them.
footman447 5 months ago
@footman447 You're absolutely right. I wish we could keep a data base on these people who bash modern medicine and doctors endlessly. When they really get sick and run to the ER for life saving medical treatment they would be denied that care, and sent on their way to their chiropractic,homeopath,acupuncturist, or naturapath
sweetclaire06 4 months ago
The level of brain washing has turned people into Sheeple. I just started MMS three doses in, I am doing much better. I tried doctors for many years, they are drug pushers, they do not cure anyone, they MAINTAIN your sickness to make money. If anyone makes official claims that MMS cures anything they may be put in prison. Unless you are BIG PHARMA you can't cure anything. Doctors & meds kill almost 1 million Sheeple a year, all by accident! Do some research or be a Sheeple, it is all up to you
wethesheeple1 5 months ago
@wethesheeple1
I've researched a lot into this subject and I have decided to not be a naive idiot who believes everything they are told. That is why I commit myself to arguing with people like you for my own amusement because it is completely beyond me how anyone can believe anything that MMS supposedly does.
nanagn11 5 months ago
@nanagn11
Yeah! Fight the dumb!!
Actually, on reflection, give up. These people would not recognise the scientific method if it saved their lives! Actually, on reflection, It has hasn't it!
Yeah FUCK doctors! With their pills and their vaccines and their antibiotics. Who did antibiotics ever help anyway?? And when you rock up in A&E with a broken leg you'll be like, "get that morphine away from me, I don't need pills!! And cancel my surgery cos you just want to make me SICKER!"
footman447 5 months ago
@wethesheeple1 Wonderful! You say you did your research then you know what Chlorine dioxide (MMS) can do to the body:
It's a powerful oxidizer that causes free radical damage to the DNA.
It causes hemolysis, Ruptures red blood cells destroying them.Causing anemia and increased methemoglobin in males.
It is a strong irritant of the skin, eyes,respiratory and gastrointestinal tract.
Nausea and vomiting can result in hypotension, respiratory failure, and even death.
Decrease in thyroid function
sweetclaire06 4 months ago
@wethesheeple1 None of this is brain washing. The immediate effects of chlorine dioxide are very well known.The long term effects aren't well known. Up until recently no one would have thought that people would actually be DRINKING a disinfectant that was meant to be used as bleach, water purification, and for cleaning and disinfecting surfaces (medical instruments, toilets, floors etc.) It was NEVER intended to be used as a medicine. Would you dilute Windex or Lysol in H2O and drink it?
sweetclaire06 4 months ago
Big pharma only commercializes what it can patent?? Really? Lol. Where did you get that nugget of wisdom from? Tell me genius, who owns the patent on aspirin and paracetamol? Both are billion dollar earners for the pharma companies. Oops, there goes that theory.
Second, electrolysis actually takes MORE energy then the combustion of the resulting hydrogen. And they sold his car on eBay??? Rofl! How did big oil let that slip? Conspiracy theory rubbish. Geet and tesla? Conspiracy theory rubbish.
mmsfraud 5 months ago
No. kemikuls is bad and horrid things wot make us poorly. Whereas MMS is made in grammas kitchen to the same old recipe used for hundreds of years. Perfectly natural and safe. Just like Digitalis.
footman447 5 months ago
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@footman447 "No. kemikuls is bad and horrid things wot make us poorly. Whereas MMS is made in grammas kitchen to the same old recipe used for hundreds of years. Perfectly natural and safe. Just like Digitalis. "
Too funny!!
sweetclaire06 4 months ago
@Gravitytheory what he had seen and analyzed defied and challenged everything he had learned so far as a scientist. Keep on reading and analyzing what can and could be corrupted, I'll keep on poisoning myself. You know in Europe they're banning herbs that have been used as remedies for more than 6000 years in China and India. You're right, it makes sense, THEY make sense, and money(theirs) has nothing to do with that decision. The World Health Organization is here to protect us, just like Zorro.
machintruc313 5 months ago
@machintruc313 They are not banning herbs you knob head, it's marketing hype, they're trying to regulate how herbs are SOLD, and WHO are they sold by you may ask?? You might want to look it up because 99% of the herbs you can buy are produced by the same "BIG PHARMA" companies, lol. And water powered car? You're serious aren't you? Where is this "water powered car"? That's a big conspiracy too right? Big oil? This shit goes hand in hand. No surprise it's mostly nut cases that support MMS...
mmsfraud 5 months ago
@mmsfraud How does it work exactly? gravitytheory peels the onions, and you cry? nice act. Big Pharma only commercializes what it can put a patent on, and you can't do that with herbs. So straight out lie (again). Then the first explosion engine produced in Switzerland in 1805 ran on hydrogen, produced by the electrolysis of water. Then Stanley Meyers went across the US in the eighties driving a Dune buggy using a few gallons of water. He was poisoned and his car sold on ebay a few years ago.
machintruc313 5 months ago
@mmsfraud he's not the only one who produced a car running exclusively on water. I also invite our readers to do a research on the GEET Pantone engine. He sales the compressors, running almost exclusively on water, and the same system was used during WW2 on American bombers. Also feel free to research Nicola Tesla and his inventions. Time is running out, make sure you've chosen the right path. There's more to life than a good paycheck ;and I don't have to support MMS, it does well by itself.
machintruc313 5 months ago
@machintruc313 I would hardly call Jim Humble a scientist.It turns out he doesn't even have a college degree. Most of his claims regarding his bio are false right down to his claiming HE invented the electric garage door opener!
sweetclaire06 4 months ago
@machintruc313 Banning herbs in Europe?Do you get ANYTHING right?Or do you just twist and turn the facts around to suit your conspiracy?The food supplement market, comprising products like vitamin pills and herbal supplements, is worth $50bn worldwide!There is little difference between the vitamin, herbs, and pharmaceutical industries. Key players in both include multinationals such as Roche and Aventis; BioCare, Why don't you find out the REAL truth and not just buy into conspiracy theories.
sweetclaire06 4 months ago
@Gravitytheory Keep on living in your books, data and dreams. You make me think of that story of the man who invented a car powered exclusively by water. He brings it to a scientist and the scientist keeps the car, puts it apart, exmamines and analyzes every little detail, puts it back all together, start the engine. The guy comes back and the scientist tells him that the car does not work, even though the engine is running in the background, still on water. The reason being that what...
machintruc313 5 months ago
Dont go threw project green life!!! FAKE FAKE FAKE!!!! I swear you'll have your day whomever is screwing people.. 3xms 3 10flod to the!!! You will reep what you sow!!!
MzClementine 5 months ago
This is fake to me.. No answer on my 198 dollar order!! Sad no return emails or calls.. You call them and their mail box is full both of them.. How dare you screw people.. may this come to you 3xms 3.. Ten fold to thee...
MzClementine 5 months ago
ME TOO THIS MUST BE FAKE!! THEY TOOK !(* DOLLARS FROM ME>>> STAY AWAY FROM THIS I SWEAR THIS IS SUCH BAD ENERGY FOR WHOMEVER IS STEALING OUR MONEY!! I SO ANGRY>>>
MzClementine 5 months ago
PLEASE HELP ME I AM SO UPSET!!! The place you have on this video.. has taken the order of 198.00 and some odd cents and not set me a DARN THINK!!! They will not return my calls and of all I am ashamed that a health sight would do this stuff.. Basically I feel ROBBED!!! Please I beg for someones help in this matter PLEASE!!! I am at a huge loss and for my health... Darn this sucks.. Please help me!!! Mia
MzClementine 5 months ago
@MzClementine lol
ravetunes 5 months ago
@MzClementine Sorry you lost your money. But then again what would you expect from someone selling a complete load of bull shit scam like MMS? Be glad you only lost your money and not your health. Drinking bleach is a potentially very dangerous practice. There's NO concrete scientific proof that it cures anything let alone cancer and AIDS.
sweetclaire06 4 months ago
@sweetclaire06 Its not bleach my dear.. And off all I reviewed this with my Dr. She said try it. The problem is a loss. How dare people steal from people. SUCKS> But as they say 3xms 3.. !0 fold to the..
MzClementine 4 months ago
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sweetclaire06 4 months ago
@MzClementine BTW if the doctor who told you to try drinking bleach is a Medical doctor( M.D.) I get another doctor. I would seriously doubt it was an M.D, who told you to try it.
sweetclaire06 4 months ago
@MzClementine I'ts Bleach. Wiki:Miracle Mineral Solution or MMS, is the product name for an aqueous solution of 28% sodium chlorite, a toxic chemical known to cause fatal renal failure. When prepared with a citric acid solution as described in its instructions for preparation, the mixture produces chlorine dioxide, a potent oxidizing agent used in water treatment and in BLEACHING You should know what you are putting into your body! Even Humble admits it's bleach.
sweetclaire06 4 months ago
I order my mms 3 month ago, never get them, and I said them because I orden an mms and citric acid bottle... I already send like 10 emails saying that I need an answer or something... but never get any mail back, my order number is #45781
And I never, never get my mms.. please I really need the bottle or my money back...thanks
PapoIgnacio 5 months ago
"Yeah I work for the propaganda machine that asks for proof when someone makes extraordinary claims promoting a product."
Bastard.
You with your scientific method and your fancy city ways! Look, it works, cos uncle Jim, sorry, BISHOP Jim says it works. We don't need none a yourn randomized double blinded control trials, some random anonymous bloke on youtube said it cured him of a random condition which would have gotten better by itself and thats good enough for me!
You agent of evil!!!
footman447 5 months ago
Doesn't make a single cent huh? But offers you to join his marketing empire? Sell his books (you get a cut), asks for donations, runs courses.
Google mmsdebunked altruism.
Simple fact is, Jim CAN'T sell MMS, the MMS industry NEEDS a figure head like Jim, it wouldn't work without him. Notice how the sellers won't make the claims? Notice how Jim does everything EXCEPT sell mms? It's not a coincidence, the 'altruism' is a convenient excuse.
mmsfraud 5 months ago
@mmsfraud Don't forget, for $1,000.00 you can get a Doctor of MMS Degree! Certificate for hanging on your wall included. And according to Jim it will soon be a more valuable certificate than any other certificate you can get. So all you suckers slaving away on your thesis at Harvard just stop, because this is the credential you want to have! Question? Who's more delusional Snake Oil Jim or the fools who plunk down their money for this. Maybe both? Na Jim knows exactly what he's pulling.
sweetclaire06 4 months ago
@Gravitytheory Chlorine dioxide is used on all the vegetables that we eat, so if it was harmful in any way it would not be allowed by the FDA. The FDA allows it on our vegetables but forbids for ingestion. It's not bleach, even though it smells like it. So you're either misinformed, which is understandable, or you're well informed, and in that case, you know what you are.
machintruc313 5 months ago
@machintruc313 You didn't get the point. If it was dangerous and a poison(just like the FDA claim it is), it shouldn't be used on vegetables and allowed to be used as a water purifier and not for personal use. Anything is a poison and dangerous if used in excess. Some people have died from drinking too much water or eating too many carrots. It's all in the dosage. I use it everyday, following the recommended dosage, and I've experienced nothing but positive results, with no side effects.
machintruc313 5 months ago
@machintruc313 OMG! You just don't get it. What Gravitytheory and others are trying to tell you is there is a difference between drinking the stuff (chlorine dioxide) at an amount of 3Grams per/day (Humble recommends this amount at least) 9 to 10 Grams is considered to be potentially lethal, and what basically amounts to ingesting trace amounts in water purification and disinfecting produce.
sweetclaire06 4 months ago
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machintruc313 5 months ago
@machintruc313 I've been using it for a year and a half every day, and have seen the results, so yes, I know what I am. I also know what Big Pharma and her twin sister the FDA are, as well as the people who work for them.
machintruc313 5 months ago
@machintruc313 What you don't know is what effect this powerful oxidizing chemical is having on your DNA. Free radicals cause the breakdown of cells and are known to be carcinogenic. If you want to drink something that in all likelyhood causes cancer go right ahead. You won't know for sure until down the road. Thousands are saved and their lives improved every single day by medications produced by pharmaceutical companies.Myself included.
sweetclaire06 4 months ago
@machintruc313 The FDA was formed to protect the public.The truth is that the FDA has a tough job. They need to allow good drugs to move through while keeping out harmful and ineffective treatment. Move too late, and effective therapy doesn't get to patients. Move too soon, and we only find out about serious side effects after approval from health frauds like MMS.Don't you ever wonder why there are SO MANY different charlatans claiming they have the cure for EVERYTHING? Because they don't!
sweetclaire06 4 months ago
@machintruc313 Chlorine dioxide IS BLEACH! Even Jim Humble has admitted it's bleach.There's a huge difference between ingesting up to 3 Grams/per/day as Humble tells you to do. The FDA allows spraying fruit and vegetable rinses. Uncut and unpeeled, as well as cut and peeled and rinsed WELL WITH POTABLE WATER. In other words the use on fruits & veggies doesn't involve INGESTING large amounts of MMS. You need to be informed.
sweetclaire06 4 months ago
Yeah I work for the propaganda machine that asks for proof when someone makes extraordinary claims promoting a product. Not like spamming 10 posts in a row..
I'm not asking for much, for a start, how about a SINGLE verified case of mms curing ANY serious disease?
Wake up! If mms was really a miracle cure this should be trivially easy to find, it's been 14 years, but all we have is unverifiable testimonials and excuses. If people were really cured of aids, they'd have before and after tests
mmsfraud 5 months ago
@mmsfraud
Agreed, the cleaning properties of chlorine dioxide are well documented however documentation on medicinal properties is pretty much non-existant outside of the stuff spewed out by Jim Humble.
If a substance could cure as many problems as MMS claims to, then it would be very well known by now. It doesn't matter how powerful the pharmaceutical industry is, it is an impossible task to silence the entire scientific and medical communities.
nanagn11 5 months ago
I APPLAUD M.M.S. AND THOSE BRAVE ENOUGH TO HELP OTHERS AND
THEMSELVES!! JUST BECAUSE BIG MONEY HAS CREATED A COMMON
PRACTICE MEDICALLY SPEAKING DOESN'T MAKE IT CORRECT!! I'M
GLAD TO SEE PEOPLE EMPOWERING THEMSELVES AND QUESTIONING.
THANK YOU M.M.S. AND IT'S PROPONENTS!!
SuperMarkjunior 6 months ago
Used it to kill the Swine Flu..... it worked within 2 hours for me and my family.
No negative effects for me... both my girls threw up... and both were done with flu in 2 hours. My youngest was verified by doctors she had the swine flu. I had it for a day... having a tough time then remembered MMS. You'll find out if works for you.... read and educate yourself.
GotPsi1111 6 months ago