I love Manfred Mann & I worship at the alter of Burt Bacharach, but I must agree... this version is just awful! The love version is much, much cooler!
This was the first version. Love's version was the cover, and it supposedly upset Burt because they stripped it down and made it more punk - though the term hadn't been invented at the time.
I think both renditions are wonderful. It would take a serious lack of talent to murder a song this good. Love's was the version heard first, but it doesn't depreciate my liking for this one.
This version sounds like a Bacharach - David tune. Love's version sounds like Love: a total pre-punk prototype of reinvention. Although I appreciate this version, I have been addicted to what Love did with is since 1966. Love gave it a menacing urgency that came to define the song.
I think we all have to "agree to disagree". There are obviously factions who prefer the different versions. Those of us who are older heard this one first, since it came out in---1965, I think it was. This is the definitive one for us. We prefer it. You who came of age for the cover (that's what they call it when it isn't the first version) prefer the one by Love. Neither group is going to convince the other. So Love fans, go away and listen to that version, & leave us to this one.
I was around when this came out. It was a love/dance song from the Movie "What's New Pussycat ?" It fit the times perfectly. I believe it pales the Love cover. I like the Love cover , but at the time and even now , being exposed to the original Manfred Mann made it for me. It truly captures a time in pop culture, with melody, mood and substance that Love's changed into a rock anthem. Like Jerry Lewis says
" If you understand no explanation is necessary and if not none will suffice. "
Love did a GREAT rock version of this song. Saying they "Murdered" this song is like saying Richie Havens or Joe Cocker "Murdered" a Beatles song. They just did it in their style.
@dincz Having grown up with the 'Love' version, it's interesting to hear this for the 1st time 45 years after the fact. I find this version much more crude & raw than Love's. To sing the break as presented in this version is counter-intuitive, but it IS unique & unusual. It's funny to read opinions relating the Love version to Punk, inasmuch as Love's version made the song a mainstream hit. All said, I must disagree that Love "murdered" it.
@Wilthomer66 I'm with you. The MM version retained the melody of the song and that's what I like. Arthur Lee twisting into a punk-ish tune is cool too, but give me MM.
The godawful kermit the frog soundalike that is the bastard Ronan Keating has covered this on album entitled When Ronan Met Burt. Burt are you really that hard up? :(
Manfred Mann does it in a way that sounds like Bacharach might have. Love makes it rock and makes it their own. Though there is much Manfred Mann that I liked, I found them a bit commercial for my tastes (and still do).
The first time I heard this song was in the movie, "What's New, Pussycat?" In the scene, Peter O'Toole and Paula Prentiss are at a dance club. Paula is a stripper but, while on the dance floor, it's Peter who starts to strip to this song. The crowd really gets into it. A very funny scene.
i think that even LOVE couldnt have helped do wah diddy, that song was murdered before it was born. an aborted fetus. its a cute song like that, but if u play it and your older than 12 years old you will look somewhat immature
@shmuli9 There's an interesting back story re: a dispute between Bacharach and Mannfred Mann about how to sing this song. Bacharach specifically wanted the broken chords; Mann didn't want to sing it that way. But as we all know now, it is much the better song for having been recorded according to Bacharach's direction.
@JET997u Heh - I didn't know. This is one of those songs that if you ONLY heard this version, you'd think it was good, but since I HAVE heard the more frantic version, I DO like it better...
Cont. and Burt continues... " and it would have been better with the right chords. It's called people reading music, people reading a lead sheet then you know what the right chord is (laughs). But I liked their energy on the song". And energy is what makes Love's version great. (I don't get it .. I love Doo wah Diddy a lot and can't figure out why Manfred was so "uncomfortable") This version is MURDERED as STeelTownBrutha notes.
Cont. Burt reportedly hated Love's version of the song because it was not performed in the proper rhythm and time signature (though he was also unhappy with Manfreds and he worked with them!) So Love had a bigger hit with it as they should. Burt said: "Wrong changes and all, and I never loved that. There were a couple of chords that were wrong (actually by design, Burt, as genius Arthur Lee was going for a pre-punk sound and it only works with the "wrong chords")
Burt might like this version better than Loves but Loves is best and Burt is aware of that if you read him. Burt said "Manfred Mann had the right changes but it was a BAD record. I made the record with them. It's just a very nervous sounding record. They were uncomfortable with that song. Manfred had a tough time playing it. It took forever to make that record. But different language, different harmonic language."
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Burt Bacharach is a real genious.I was astonished to know that there was such sophisticated music in this world many years ago. - from Japan with respect.
Manfred Man ladies and gentlemen. the prolific creators of "Doo wah diddy" it was soooo light years ahead of its time, (ha, i think i liked that song when i was 5. it shouldve been on sesame street)
THIS is the murdered version. If this was the only version of the song, no one in modern times would really be able to enjoy it. It sounds like some, lame white-boy ripoff of Love,but unfortunately, this is the original.
For all you defenders of this version: COME ON!!!! You guys know Manfred Mann is only capable of putting out pussy ass white boy music, not just this song.
@SteelTownBrutha Good point but it's probably would help your argument to leave out "pussy ass white boy music". It's try but just better to tell it a different way. I think Lee was just a genius and saw the only way the song should be sung. It's not just Manfred Mann who messed this up .. Burt didn't know he had written a good but lame song that need Lee to fix it up. The hard-driving version yet with beautiful compelling vocals by Lee is a classic.
@SteelTownBrutha And we know when Burt heard the gorgeous Forever Changes record by Love he was jealous. And Bryan Maclean wrote the great Alone Again Or and sung AndMoreAgain.
I heard this song in an elevator or was it the dentist's office ? Nice piano/organ mix that makes the song passable but clearly inferior to Love's version. Arthur Lee probably used this version like a demo to improve upon.
I heard Love's version of this song first. It sounded so unlike a Burt Bacharach song I could hardly believe he'd written it. I like this version because you can hear the Bacharach-ness. Definitely more true to how he would want it sound. But Love's version is just so infectious, the way it picks up in the chorus. If folks are looking for something to shake their goddamn hips to, we all know which version they are going to reach for first
Murdered by Love??? I've just downloaded the MM version from Amazon and I'm struck by how much Love left the arrangement unchanged; Arthur Lee's voice has the same timbre as Paul Jones so, partly, they are very similar. What Love does is to bring out the paranoia in the song and in the organ line - it's a better version of the same song, but it owes far more to the MM original than I expected it to. I always liked MM, but there was just something a bit too soft-centred about them.
I think by "murdered" you mean "made superior." This version while ok, doesn't hold a candle to the Love version. Bacharach wrote it, but Arthur Lee owned it.
@addictedtobed You'll find "good" in the dictionary. "cover" is the word that you should concentrate on - Bacharach wrote it, Manfred Mann recorded it, and then Love covered it.
@dincz I asked you to define 'good' because by using it, it seems like u're imposing your opinions to the people that actually like Love's cover. You might simply say that you don't like it. Leave good and bad aside. We re talking about Love and Manfredd man mate, not Justin Bieber...even so...
YEs.. I agree this version IS superior to Love's..( altho I still like theirs.. a little tougher..even if the chords aren't quite right) Supposedly Burt Bacharach didn't
care for Love's version at all. Also heard he was producing the session... didn't
quite like MM's playing.... and ended up playing the piano part WITH Mann..
4-handed style!
The 11th chord that starts this tune is what really makes it cool- along with Paul
This is the worst Love cover. The people on this site are not real rock and rollers they are probably all listening to Bach and his boring delicate intricate music.
Murdered by Love? LOL I think that was true in the earlier years but Manfred Manns version sounds like something you would hear in one of the Flint films or even Austin Powers . I didnt know Burt Bacharach wrote this. You learn something knew every day.
I like both version as well as Tony Middleton's cover. Growing up in Southern California the version by Love was huge. I didn't hear the Manfred Mann version till I bought the Bacharach box set 15 years ago.
That's exactly what I did a month and a half ago, took out my little red book (black actually), "went through" six different women, and now here it is 3:26 AM and I still can't get over her...
Love took a great Burt Bachrach song and made it a pre-punk version...great though! But many musicians would argue that the chords they left out gave the song it's complex feelings of loss...
Every version I've ever heard of this song pales in comparison to Love's. Like it or not, to suggest they murdered it would imply that you clearly have shit taste in music.
You didnt intend to imply you have poor taste in music, or imply that Love murdered the song? If it's the latter, you state in your info that is was "murdered" by Love. That's pretty direct.
Sorry, I have to side with the Love-ers. Their version is brilliant. I didn't even know about the others, but after having heard a few . . . . . .
@Birthfood YOU AND ME ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE OF TASTE ON THIS SITE . MANFREDS SUCKS COMPARED TO LOVES.. OK LOVE MISSED OUT ON SOME DELICATE SUBTLE MUSIC. I LIKE SOME DELICATE SUBTLE MUSIC BUT THESE guys ON THIS SITE ARE JUST NUTS. NO CRITIC WOULD AGREE WITH THEM. SORRY FOR SHOUTING. i am calming down now.
I cannot hear even a moment of this without thinking of Peter O'Toole and Paula Prentiss on a dance floor in Paris. The implication is that they remove their clothes. Written for the film, "What's New Pussycat".
no matter the version or group - it's a great song ! Love did a great version and best known...but ...it's who you hear first that gets stuck in your mind..making it "the definitive version" listen to Zombies "I Love You" and The People version..some don't
It really was murdered by Love. And I really love Love, but they totally took out the best part of the song, which is the eerie tension created by the dissonance between the throbbing bass and the keys. when that organ first comes in and treads that thin line between the two warring instruments it's really a moment of beauty. The resolution brought about by the comparatively sugary (but still dark) chorus comes like a brief gasp of air to a drowning man who then sinks further. i <3 bb.
@dincz Aw HUSH!!...I mean...I like both versions, but I see why you prefer Manfred Mann's version. Why are they remembered for this? Unimaginative oldies stations! "Always See Your Face" and "Orange Skies" are wonderful, but they don't get played. Sometimes a subversion works, such as the Flamingos' version of "I Only Have Eyes For You", which is REALLY different, but lovely. P.S. Harry Warren, the songwriter, hated that version. Thanks for posting this.
@myfartyourfantasy HEy Fart. It was not murdered by Love. I like that you went into such detail about some minute maybe pretty important but STOP IT. You are missing the big picture. Thin thin review by YOU> you ruin the damn song for others. Now they will go and listen to Love and think of how an idiot like you could be a fan of that band. Hey just kidding. I just that I noticed you made one spelling and one syntax mistake and you blew how whole point. Fricken ahole.
@myfartyourfantasy How as I trolling? A troll is someone who posts extraneous or off-topic messages in an online community. Can someone not express an opinion w/o pissing others off? And really it is a good song so they haven't ruined it but it sounds a little too bouncy.,, it sounds OK really but I am just comparing it to Love's harder-rocking version.
@11xzxzxz How is criticizing someone's spelling and syntax with a sentence that itself has several errors not trolling? Not to mention that neither my youtube username (yeah, sure, I'm trying to impress girls with it?) nor my language skills have anything to do with my reasons for thinking a dumbed down version of a very complex song misses the point. The love cover is just a 60's equivalent of all of those horrible pop punk cover versions of good pop songs that we hear today.
@myfartyourfantasy Very few agree with you . not that numbers matter. For the name of Love and pre-punk, just say Art's is great. Not a lame cover. Check out my site and I don't do lame. do do do do .. is what sounds weak on this song.
@myfartyourfantasy When there's singing ..it's fine. I just don't like some of the background music so I was too hard on the song. But some of you guys act like this is classical music critique time. And frankly I am less taken aback by your comments and face pics than "my fart your fantasy". I guess that is a joke among pseudo-intellectual prissy classic music types. If you try to me a girl .. good luck. If you are not looking for a girl, well it still is not funny. imo.
@11xzxzxz And if you must know, my username is taken from the name of an album I recorded with a hardcore synthpunk band that I used to be in. So much for your "pseudo-intellectual prissy classic music types" theory. If you really don't like the backing music I'd recommend you to download a version of this song with higher sound quality and listen to it on good speakers. The youtube sound quality really doesn't do justice to the bassline/piano war that I was talking about in my original post.
@myfartyourfantasy Just because you were hardcore doesn't mean you can't be prissy or didn't become... I can be all kinds of things including a little prissy too so it is not the knock on you that you think it is. You have no idea how many beautiful haunting songs I love but they usually are recording wonders.. The Love's version isn't doing it justice either. Well we agree to disagree and drop this debate. Do you like Forever Changes by Love?
I'm more familiar with Love's version than this original by Manfred Mann. The Wikipedia article claims writer Burt Bacharach was displeased with Love's arrangement -- they altered the chords of the song.
I had heard that Bacharach had a hard time convincing Manfred Mann to record this song as he wanted-- that is, with broken chords. It was recorded originally for the movie "What's New Pussycat?" and Manfred Mann is the performer.
I didn't know the original Manfred Mann version even existed until I watched the "What's New Pussycat" feature film for the first time on cable TV recently. I actually PREFER the more bittersweet melancholy M. Mann version to Love's edgy cover version a year later.
Actually, the version in the film is a re-arrangement of the song by composer/arranger Charles Blackwell--the single version has a much more live feeling to it.
Burt Bacharach has always hated the Arthur Lee cover of this song--they didn't get the chords right.
For that matter, Manfred Mann wasn't all that crazy about the chords either--thought that they were too strident (the piano on this version was played by both Mann and Bacharach).
Depends on whether you want (or like) to hear a pop or a rock song...Mann does a great pop cover of the song. Love did a great job of applying aggression and anger to the song. As far as the White Stripes...if that is truly The White Stripes doing the song live in Detroit as posted in the video column to the right...I'd just as soon spend the night in a diarrhea ward in the hospital than listen to that drivel. Listening to a suicide would have been more pleasant than that.
The Rubinoos do a really great version. It mixes the feeling and energy that 'Love' did, but has the correct chord progression and melody like Bacharach's original.
Burt Bacharach was just a puppetmaster. Handsome guy, sure. But all those great bands and singers being forced at gun-point to give him writing credit for their original songs? That really sucks. Also, I read that it wasn't Hal David that wrote the lyrics to most of the songs -- it was usually the drummer.
i agree with critlistener's first comment..but in any case the melancholy and proto-punk renditions of the song are both tops..there's no reason to have to choose. Calling the love version "murder" is rather stupid.
Are you serious? The White Stripes do it better than anyone?! The White Stripes' version sounds like someone is getting hacked to death with butcher knife!
I love both versions fro different reasons: Paul Jones' superb vocals, and Love's strident, edgy take on the song. I read that Arthur Lee was, in fact, a big Burt Bacharach fan, and that Love's version really did piss him off. BTW, I love Bacharach also.
You revamped this! I didn't realize that could be done (once you'd entered it here). It's all louder, & the keyboards are as prominent as I remember them. Now I have to take back my right-before-this comment about "it was more melancholy". I'd forgotten it did move as well as this. But the harmonies should NEVER be tampered with, they are the moody part.
Believe it or not, Love lovers, when this was written 40 years ago, it wasn't meant to be a hard-edged 'hitting' kind of song. It was more of a melancholy take on the subject. That's it's been redone & you love it is fine. Just don't claim it's how it was "supposed" to be, when you probably weren't even born when it first came out.
That discord is what is so hooky about Love's version. You can't look at it and you can't look away. Mann's version makes you think they're singing the wrong notes from what Bacharach has written. It's a challenge for any vocalist.
the Love version is fantastic proto-garage-punk shit...but this version is great too, always remember it from the scene with Peter O'toole and Paula Prentiss.
There is another version on Burt Bacharach plays his hit's by R&B singer Tony Middleton. The version is more mainstream than either MM or Love's, it captures the young sophisticated sound of the 60's that Bacharach dominated.
I'm a Love fanatic, but I do think this version (and the film version) captures the essence of Bacharach much better. After all, Arthur Lee thought it was great when he saw the movie and was disappointed that Bacharach hated Love's version. However, Love's version did go on to inspire Syd Barrett to write "Interstellar Overdrive".
Way back in the day, I heard Love's version of this and loved it. I would have been very surprised had anyone told be that it was a Burt Bacharach tune. But just now, hearing Manfred Mann's version for the first time ever, Bacharach's style is clearly evident. I like Love's version better, but I found it very interesting to listen to this take on BB's song.
Nah, Love's is. Manfred Mann never did the definitive version of anything... including "The Mighty Quinn." This is by no means dreadful, like airmiami said, but definitive? No way. It is, however, more "Bacharachy," if you will; it has more of that Bacharach bounce that Love's lacks.
Still, Love transformed this song, MM merely played it; dincz' "murdered" comment is way off. Maybe it's a British thing...
Sure, Love simplified the harmonies a bit and took some liberties with the melody, just like most great artists do... but not THAT much; changes occur in the same place, and the melodic arc is intact. MM's version is like a textbook version of the song, while Love's is a reinterpretation... and certainly more rocking. Horses for courses, I suppose.
Just check out The White Stripes cover for a REAL deconstruction.
I agree dincz...this version has a more vocally emotional tone to it... much more moody then other versions- the vocalist has a distinctive and warm tone to his voice...much like the vocalist from Jerry and the Pacemakers.
Love, Ted Nugent, Toni Basil, and Bebe Buell all did very good versions that are actually better than this one.
spiderhulk63 1 month ago
Love is a million times better on this tune. Yuk. This version stinks.
chucksummer 3 months ago
I love Manfred Mann & I worship at the alter of Burt Bacharach, but I must agree... this version is just awful! The love version is much, much cooler!
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Eternalgamers1 3 months ago
Love "Love's" version.
This is too nice.........."Love's" version is visceral and reaches out and "gets" ya !!!!!!!!!
azitaliana 3 months ago
the love version sucks. paul jones nails it. <3
octopusmime 4 months ago
This was the first version. Love's version was the cover, and it supposedly upset Burt because they stripped it down and made it more punk - though the term hadn't been invented at the time.
jmcgnn 5 months ago
I think both renditions are wonderful. It would take a serious lack of talent to murder a song this good. Love's was the version heard first, but it doesn't depreciate my liking for this one.
MydgetSubmarine 5 months ago
This can't possibly be compared to Love's version. Lounge music at best. Manfred Mann ruined everything he touched.
markbabinable 6 months ago
This version sounds like a Bacharach - David tune. Love's version sounds like Love: a total pre-punk prototype of reinvention. Although I appreciate this version, I have been addicted to what Love did with is since 1966. Love gave it a menacing urgency that came to define the song.
evets530 7 months ago
I think we all have to "agree to disagree". There are obviously factions who prefer the different versions. Those of us who are older heard this one first, since it came out in---1965, I think it was. This is the definitive one for us. We prefer it. You who came of age for the cover (that's what they call it when it isn't the first version) prefer the one by Love. Neither group is going to convince the other. So Love fans, go away and listen to that version, & leave us to this one.
CriticalListener 7 months ago
MY GOD THIS SUCKS How can you even compair this to Arthur Lee and LOVE I can't even listen to the rest of this
jettech6 7 months ago
@jettech6 It's about musicality. If you can't hear it, you can't hear it.
dincz 7 months ago
@dincz I heard Love's version first. This is good too. But to say that Love murdered the song isn't fair.
Duskworker 6 months ago
I was around when this came out. It was a love/dance song from the Movie "What's New Pussycat ?" It fit the times perfectly. I believe it pales the Love cover. I like the Love cover , but at the time and even now , being exposed to the original Manfred Mann made it for me. It truly captures a time in pop culture, with melody, mood and substance that Love's changed into a rock anthem. Like Jerry Lewis says
" If you understand no explanation is necessary and if not none will suffice. "
guitarsla 8 months ago
Love did a GREAT rock version of this song. Saying they "Murdered" this song is like saying Richie Havens or Joe Cocker "Murdered" a Beatles song. They just did it in their style.
claygar310 8 months ago
This version sucks...The Love version is far superior. Why anyone would prefer this version over Love's is beyond me.
pashedmotatos 8 months ago
@dincz Having grown up with the 'Love' version, it's interesting to hear this for the 1st time 45 years after the fact. I find this version much more crude & raw than Love's. To sing the break as presented in this version is counter-intuitive, but it IS unique & unusual. It's funny to read opinions relating the Love version to Punk, inasmuch as Love's version made the song a mainstream hit. All said, I must disagree that Love "murdered" it.
medomoreno 8 months ago
"later murdered by Love."
Amen, I thought I was the only one who found the original Manfred's version superior!
Wilthomer66 9 months ago
@Wilthomer66 are you kidding me? lee took what was a nice pop song and turned it into proto punk...it was brilliant...and 10 years ahead of its time
brabon1 9 months ago 2
@Wilthomer66 I'm with you. The MM version retained the melody of the song and that's what I like. Arthur Lee twisting into a punk-ish tune is cool too, but give me MM.
hamlanzon6 8 months ago
"later murdered by Love . . . " A guy could take that more than one way . . .
EasyAce 10 months ago
The godawful kermit the frog soundalike that is the bastard Ronan Keating has covered this on album entitled When Ronan Met Burt. Burt are you really that hard up? :(
destructivedandy 10 months ago
The Love version is the definitive cover, even better than Pandora's Box. yeah
zfloid44 10 months ago
Manfred Mann does it in a way that sounds like Bacharach might have. Love makes it rock and makes it their own. Though there is much Manfred Mann that I liked, I found them a bit commercial for my tastes (and still do).
nealkingston 11 months ago
Yes Love did murder it.
TheBicycleRyder 1 year ago
The first time I heard this song was in the movie, "What's New, Pussycat?" In the scene, Peter O'Toole and Paula Prentiss are at a dance club. Paula is a stripper but, while on the dance floor, it's Peter who starts to strip to this song. The crowd really gets into it. A very funny scene.
ftsjr 1 year ago
i think that even LOVE couldnt have helped do wah diddy, that song was murdered before it was born. an aborted fetus. its a cute song like that, but if u play it and your older than 12 years old you will look somewhat immature
SteelTownBrutha 1 year ago
This song was SO uncharacteristic of Burt Bacharach. It's kind of schizoid...
shmuli9 1 year ago
@shmuli9 There's an interesting back story re: a dispute between Bacharach and Mannfred Mann about how to sing this song. Bacharach specifically wanted the broken chords; Mann didn't want to sing it that way. But as we all know now, it is much the better song for having been recorded according to Bacharach's direction.
JET997u 10 months ago
@JET997u Heh - I didn't know. This is one of those songs that if you ONLY heard this version, you'd think it was good, but since I HAVE heard the more frantic version, I DO like it better...
shmuli9 10 months ago
@JET997u ..Actually.. according to the FanTAStic Burt Bacharach Box set that came out a few years back, Burt
was producing this session.... and wasn't hearing the piano the way he wanted- so he AND Mann ended
up playing on the same piano! I think the piano ( partic. the 11th chords in the verses) are what makes this
version so great. Oh, that, and Paul Jones inCREdible voice. One of the all-time great B.B. tunes.
timjmoran 10 months ago
many thanks for this vid...love manfred mann.....but c'mon the love version is completely awesome
cdcme1 1 year ago
Do you think that Mafred Mann murdered Do Wah Diddy?
shyphyre 1 year ago
Sounds pretty lame after listening to Love's version. Doesn't seem to work as a slow song. Maybe Petula Clark could pull it off?
Gazolba 1 year ago
Cont. and Burt continues... " and it would have been better with the right chords. It's called people reading music, people reading a lead sheet then you know what the right chord is (laughs). But I liked their energy on the song". And energy is what makes Love's version great. (I don't get it .. I love Doo wah Diddy a lot and can't figure out why Manfred was so "uncomfortable") This version is MURDERED as STeelTownBrutha notes.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
Cont. Burt reportedly hated Love's version of the song because it was not performed in the proper rhythm and time signature (though he was also unhappy with Manfreds and he worked with them!) So Love had a bigger hit with it as they should. Burt said: "Wrong changes and all, and I never loved that. There were a couple of chords that were wrong (actually by design, Burt, as genius Arthur Lee was going for a pre-punk sound and it only works with the "wrong chords")
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
Burt might like this version better than Loves but Loves is best and Burt is aware of that if you read him. Burt said "Manfred Mann had the right changes but it was a BAD record. I made the record with them. It's just a very nervous sounding record. They were uncomfortable with that song. Manfred had a tough time playing it. It took forever to make that record. But different language, different harmonic language."
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supersondessixties 1 year ago
Burt Bacharach is a real genious.I was astonished to know that there was such sophisticated music in this world many years ago. - from Japan with respect.
jupiterite3 1 year ago
Manfred Man ladies and gentlemen. the prolific creators of "Doo wah diddy" it was soooo light years ahead of its time, (ha, i think i liked that song when i was 5. it shouldve been on sesame street)
SteelTownBrutha 1 year ago
THIS is the murdered version. If this was the only version of the song, no one in modern times would really be able to enjoy it. It sounds like some, lame white-boy ripoff of Love,but unfortunately, this is the original.
For all you defenders of this version: COME ON!!!! You guys know Manfred Mann is only capable of putting out pussy ass white boy music, not just this song.
SteelTownBrutha 1 year ago
@SteelTownBrutha Good point but it's probably would help your argument to leave out "pussy ass white boy music". It's try but just better to tell it a different way. I think Lee was just a genius and saw the only way the song should be sung. It's not just Manfred Mann who messed this up .. Burt didn't know he had written a good but lame song that need Lee to fix it up. The hard-driving version yet with beautiful compelling vocals by Lee is a classic.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@SteelTownBrutha And we know when Burt heard the gorgeous Forever Changes record by Love he was jealous. And Bryan Maclean wrote the great Alone Again Or and sung AndMoreAgain.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
I heard this song in an elevator or was it the dentist's office ? Nice piano/organ mix that makes the song passable but clearly inferior to Love's version. Arthur Lee probably used this version like a demo to improve upon.
angelangel3000 1 year ago
I heard Love's version of this song first. It sounded so unlike a Burt Bacharach song I could hardly believe he'd written it. I like this version because you can hear the Bacharach-ness. Definitely more true to how he would want it sound. But Love's version is just so infectious, the way it picks up in the chorus. If folks are looking for something to shake their goddamn hips to, we all know which version they are going to reach for first
bentrend 1 year ago
Murdered by Love??? I've just downloaded the MM version from Amazon and I'm struck by how much Love left the arrangement unchanged; Arthur Lee's voice has the same timbre as Paul Jones so, partly, they are very similar. What Love does is to bring out the paranoia in the song and in the organ line - it's a better version of the same song, but it owes far more to the MM original than I expected it to. I always liked MM, but there was just something a bit too soft-centred about them.
MLJ284 1 year ago
I think by "murdered" you mean "made superior." This version while ok, doesn't hold a candle to the Love version. Bacharach wrote it, but Arthur Lee owned it.
TageSavage 1 year ago
What the fuck..."murdered" by Love...
I think they resurrected this, instead!
CherReeCoke 1 year ago 4
wtf does ''it's not a good Love cover'' mean?define the word good PLEASE!!!!!
addictedtobed 1 year ago
@addictedtobed You'll find "good" in the dictionary. "cover" is the word that you should concentrate on - Bacharach wrote it, Manfred Mann recorded it, and then Love covered it.
dincz 1 year ago 4
@dincz I asked you to define 'good' because by using it, it seems like u're imposing your opinions to the people that actually like Love's cover. You might simply say that you don't like it. Leave good and bad aside. We re talking about Love and Manfredd man mate, not Justin Bieber...even so...
whatever man...peace
addictedtobed 1 year ago
YEs.. I agree this version IS superior to Love's..( altho I still like theirs.. a little tougher..even if the chords aren't quite right) Supposedly Burt Bacharach didn't
care for Love's version at all. Also heard he was producing the session... didn't
quite like MM's playing.... and ended up playing the piano part WITH Mann..
4-handed style!
The 11th chord that starts this tune is what really makes it cool- along with Paul
Jone's GREAT vocal, of course. A Stone CLASSIC.
timjmoran 1 year ago
the arrangement, but especially the vocal!!
giacblanc 1 year ago
@11xzxzxz No, it's not a good Love cover. In fact it isn't even a Love cover.
dincz 1 year ago
This is the worst Love cover. The people on this site are not real rock and rollers they are probably all listening to Bach and his boring delicate intricate music.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
Not a GOOD cover at all. Go immediately to Love, Arthur Lee.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
Murdered by Love? LOL I think that was true in the earlier years but Manfred Manns version sounds like something you would hear in one of the Flint films or even Austin Powers . I didnt know Burt Bacharach wrote this. You learn something knew every day.
lifepod2036 1 year ago
Love's version fucking schools this. They bring so much balls to the song. Love are the best band in the world and Manfred Mann can suck my left one.
stickinginthepin 1 year ago 2
@stickinginthepin right can you believe the prissy idiots who like this more than Love? This could be a musical score. Sucks.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
Love - My Little Red Book...Could be the first encarnacion of Punk music. A beautiful version of a standard show tune... Music for freaks! Dig it!
mrbenson235 1 year ago
Listen to Psychedelic Litter's version, (they later dropped it to Litter)
They were a 60s garage band with Mark Gallagher fronting for them at the time.
What a voice! And they put a new spin on the song!
bloderme 1 year ago
money freand
ivan89705 1 year ago
I like both version as well as Tony Middleton's cover. Growing up in Southern California the version by Love was huge. I didn't hear the Manfred Mann version till I bought the Bacharach box set 15 years ago.
barriobajaj 1 year ago
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For the last 30 years, until today, I thought this was a Ted Nugent song. Amazing.
LittlPussi 1 year ago
Ted Nugents version kicks azz,,
ezbadfish744 1 year ago
Anyone who thinks Love murdered this song, is no kind of rocker.
FIERO871 1 year ago
Give me Arthur Lee and Love over this sappy version.
Pumper4 1 year ago
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That's exactly what I did a month and a half ago, took out my little red book (black actually), "went through" six different women, and now here it is 3:26 AM and I still can't get over her...
misformayhem 1 year ago
Agree with lewtroop.Paula Prentiss is superb as usual as is the interpretation of the music by Manfred Mann.
Love just did it a different way.
Song sounds great - musicians interpret !
Great feel to the film ...glad the Manfred became the definitive version.Sits right.
speakeasyo11 1 year ago 2
Love took a great Burt Bachrach song and made it a pre-punk version...great though! But many musicians would argue that the chords they left out gave the song it's complex feelings of loss...
Wacokid48 2 years ago 3
Every version I've ever heard of this song pales in comparison to Love's. Like it or not, to suggest they murdered it would imply that you clearly have shit taste in music.
Birthfood 2 years ago 23
@Birthfood - I didn't intend to imply that. I think you're inferring too much :)
dincz 1 year ago
@dincz
not really much to infer to be quite honest, you did say love murdered it.
that said this is a truly awesome version that i had not heard before, but i am still a massive fan of love's version
JacobZKZoob 11 months ago
@dincz
You didnt intend to imply you have poor taste in music, or imply that Love murdered the song? If it's the latter, you state in your info that is was "murdered" by Love. That's pretty direct.
Sorry, I have to side with the Love-ers. Their version is brilliant. I didn't even know about the others, but after having heard a few . . . . . .
sassyreggae 10 months ago
@Birthfood YOU AND ME ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE OF TASTE ON THIS SITE . MANFREDS SUCKS COMPARED TO LOVES.. OK LOVE MISSED OUT ON SOME DELICATE SUBTLE MUSIC. I LIKE SOME DELICATE SUBTLE MUSIC BUT THESE guys ON THIS SITE ARE JUST NUTS. NO CRITIC WOULD AGREE WITH THEM. SORRY FOR SHOUTING. i am calming down now.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@Birthfood The Standells killed it. More oomph.
bobbydowns 1 year ago
@Birthfood Love's version IS THE version!
all other versions I've heard so far are sooo close to
the Carpenters type lame-o middle of the road crap....
makes me wanna vomit!
LOVE DIDN'T MURDER THE SONG, THEY NAILED IT!!
WorldCitizen667 8 months ago
Murdered by Love!?! Shame on you!!! You obviously have no taste in music!
PigletVanGogh 2 years ago
@PigletVanGogh - That's what I was thinking.
MyTwangyGuitar 2 years ago
Both the Manfred Mann and Love versions are great.
garygomesg 2 years ago 14
I love the Love version of this song, I think it's just perfect
aggg17 2 years ago 3
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I'm crazy for this song!
bubruns 2 years ago
murdered by love?
AcidMod63 2 years ago
@AcidMod63
Yeah, seriously, The Love version is great!
skatersonic2002 2 years ago 3
I cannot hear even a moment of this without thinking of Peter O'Toole and Paula Prentiss on a dance floor in Paris. The implication is that they remove their clothes. Written for the film, "What's New Pussycat".
lewtroop 2 years ago 3
I, too, am more a fan of the Love version. This is an AM radio/muzak version. I love the song, though, I prefer the more rock arrangement.
ron4971 2 years ago
no matter the version or group - it's a great song ! Love did a great version and best known...but ...it's who you hear first that gets stuck in your mind..making it "the definitive version" listen to Zombies "I Love You" and The People version..some don't
know that Zombies wrote this song!
Wacokid48 2 years ago 2
i love this song and this version
cleavecolin 2 years ago
forget this one and listen to the definitive version by Arthur Lee Love
eugenecraddock 2 years ago
It really was murdered by Love. And I really love Love, but they totally took out the best part of the song, which is the eerie tension created by the dissonance between the throbbing bass and the keys. when that organ first comes in and treads that thin line between the two warring instruments it's really a moment of beauty. The resolution brought about by the comparatively sugary (but still dark) chorus comes like a brief gasp of air to a drowning man who then sinks further. i <3 bb.
myfartyourfantasy 2 years ago 4
Exactly my feeling but you expressed it much better than I could have done.
A pity that Love should be remembered for this. They did so much better.
Whatever happened to delicacy and subtlety?
dincz 2 years ago
@dincz Aw HUSH!!...I mean...I like both versions, but I see why you prefer Manfred Mann's version. Why are they remembered for this? Unimaginative oldies stations! "Always See Your Face" and "Orange Skies" are wonderful, but they don't get played. Sometimes a subversion works, such as the Flamingos' version of "I Only Have Eyes For You", which is REALLY different, but lovely. P.S. Harry Warren, the songwriter, hated that version. Thanks for posting this.
gilgamess 1 year ago
@dincz Delicacy is fine but this song is better a little more raunchy. Get listen to Bach and tell me Procol Harum didn't improve on Bach's delicacy.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@dincz
delicacy and subtelty? Do wah diddy diddy dum diddy doo. theres your subtle tee ::busts a fat nut in your face::
SteelTownBrutha 1 year ago
@SteelTownBrutha Do what? Back on topic!
dincz 1 year ago
@myfartyourfantasy Dont know what u guys are fighting over. Toni Basil does it better than both.
hardrich2 1 year ago
@hardrich2 What????? Are you high?
claygar310 8 months ago
@claygar310 Wish I was. Don"t remember commenting on this video. What did I say?
drachirzim 8 months ago
@myfartyourfantasy HEy Fart. It was not murdered by Love. I like that you went into such detail about some minute maybe pretty important but STOP IT. You are missing the big picture. Thin thin review by YOU> you ruin the damn song for others. Now they will go and listen to Love and think of how an idiot like you could be a fan of that band. Hey just kidding. I just that I noticed you made one spelling and one syntax mistake and you blew how whole point. Fricken ahole.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@11xzxzxz Nice shot at trolling now eff off? ¯\(°_°)/¯
myfartyourfantasy 1 year ago
@myfartyourfantasy How as I trolling? A troll is someone who posts extraneous or off-topic messages in an online community. Can someone not express an opinion w/o pissing others off? And really it is a good song so they haven't ruined it but it sounds a little too bouncy.,, it sounds OK really but I am just comparing it to Love's harder-rocking version.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@11xzxzxz How is criticizing someone's spelling and syntax with a sentence that itself has several errors not trolling? Not to mention that neither my youtube username (yeah, sure, I'm trying to impress girls with it?) nor my language skills have anything to do with my reasons for thinking a dumbed down version of a very complex song misses the point. The love cover is just a 60's equivalent of all of those horrible pop punk cover versions of good pop songs that we hear today.
myfartyourfantasy 1 year ago
@myfartyourfantasy Very few agree with you . not that numbers matter. For the name of Love and pre-punk, just say Art's is great. Not a lame cover. Check out my site and I don't do lame. do do do do .. is what sounds weak on this song.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@myfartyourfantasy When there's singing ..it's fine. I just don't like some of the background music so I was too hard on the song. But some of you guys act like this is classical music critique time. And frankly I am less taken aback by your comments and face pics than "my fart your fantasy". I guess that is a joke among pseudo-intellectual prissy classic music types. If you try to me a girl .. good luck. If you are not looking for a girl, well it still is not funny. imo.
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
@11xzxzxz And if you must know, my username is taken from the name of an album I recorded with a hardcore synthpunk band that I used to be in. So much for your "pseudo-intellectual prissy classic music types" theory. If you really don't like the backing music I'd recommend you to download a version of this song with higher sound quality and listen to it on good speakers. The youtube sound quality really doesn't do justice to the bassline/piano war that I was talking about in my original post.
myfartyourfantasy 1 year ago
@myfartyourfantasy Just because you were hardcore doesn't mean you can't be prissy or didn't become... I can be all kinds of things including a little prissy too so it is not the knock on you that you think it is. You have no idea how many beautiful haunting songs I love but they usually are recording wonders.. The Love's version isn't doing it justice either. Well we agree to disagree and drop this debate. Do you like Forever Changes by Love?
11xzxzxz 1 year ago
murdered by love? give it up, man.
rsands9 2 years ago
I'm more familiar with Love's version than this original by Manfred Mann. The Wikipedia article claims writer Burt Bacharach was displeased with Love's arrangement -- they altered the chords of the song.
pgh45rpms 2 years ago
I had heard that Bacharach had a hard time convincing Manfred Mann to record this song as he wanted-- that is, with broken chords. It was recorded originally for the movie "What's New Pussycat?" and Manfred Mann is the performer.
JET997u 2 years ago
Love gave this song some feeling, this version is boring!
but i do like manfred mann
cosmic171 2 years ago
It just doesn't work without Peter O'Toole and Paula Prentice.
fauxtoehead 2 years ago 3
This is an awful version.
James806 2 years ago
Toni Basil's Cover is Better than ANY of these.. ha ha ha ha ha... XD
Jazzy9964 2 years ago
I didn't know the original Manfred Mann version even existed until I watched the "What's New Pussycat" feature film for the first time on cable TV recently. I actually PREFER the more bittersweet melancholy M. Mann version to Love's edgy cover version a year later.
andrez03 2 years ago
"bittersweet" exactly!
rolololo11 2 years ago
Listen to the version that the band "The Zakary Thaks did...... thats way better than this.....
RokyEricson 2 years ago
This is the version that i love more than any other!!!!
schuyler10 2 years ago
murdered by love???? no idea man... both versions are awesome
africafunk 2 years ago
checkout the standells just recently found it
BigBishop1 2 years ago
This is THE definitive version.
Runsonluv 2 years ago 3
Love version is much better
pindento 2 years ago
The Manfred Mann version was recorded for the film "What's New Pussycat" and has a smooth movie soundtrack sound to it.
moorlock2003 2 years ago
Actually, the version in the film is a re-arrangement of the song by composer/arranger Charles Blackwell--the single version has a much more live feeling to it.
0424lulmp516 2 years ago
Are you saying there are two different recordings of the song by Manfred Mann?
moorlock2003 2 years ago
I just watched a clip from the movie with the version you mentioned. It has a saxophone break in it. Cool.
moorlock2003 2 years ago
I agree with 100% Love's version is the best. But I've heard that The Seeds and The White Stripes have also covered this song.
Sdf1987 2 years ago
I 'm a big fan of Love, but the original version is TEN times better than Love cover, much more soulful and subtle
alexdelaville 2 years ago
I agree. Love's version was the true hit version, although I like this too, being a big Manfred fan.
moorlock2003 2 years ago
Yeah this is good too! But Love's version is the true hit version.
Sdf1987 2 years ago
Burt Bacharach has always hated the Arthur Lee cover of this song--they didn't get the chords right.
For that matter, Manfred Mann wasn't all that crazy about the chords either--thought that they were too strident (the piano on this version was played by both Mann and Bacharach).
0424lulmp516 2 years ago
So beautiful I want to cry
judithj1 2 years ago
Murdered by Love? Kiss my ass.
Karmageddon250 2 years ago 5
Agreed, they can kiss mine too. Are they seriously stupid or seriously deaf?
AuntieSlagg 2 years ago
The Greg KHin band does this. I heard it on the radio - he performed it with his son.
I can't find it!
stevieVantanna 3 years ago
Depends on whether you want (or like) to hear a pop or a rock song...Mann does a great pop cover of the song. Love did a great job of applying aggression and anger to the song. As far as the White Stripes...if that is truly The White Stripes doing the song live in Detroit as posted in the video column to the right...I'd just as soon spend the night in a diarrhea ward in the hospital than listen to that drivel. Listening to a suicide would have been more pleasant than that.
docrocksradio 3 years ago
The Rubinoos do a really great version. It mixes the feeling and energy that 'Love' did, but has the correct chord progression and melody like Bacharach's original.
MotownConnoisseur30 3 years ago
Burt Bacharach was just a puppetmaster. Handsome guy, sure. But all those great bands and singers being forced at gun-point to give him writing credit for their original songs? That really sucks. Also, I read that it wasn't Hal David that wrote the lyrics to most of the songs -- it was usually the drummer.
stanjarin 3 years ago
Nice song, like Loves version too but would like to know if Burt did this for any other singers?
Jnkdog 3 years ago
i agree with critlistener's first comment..but in any case the melancholy and proto-punk renditions of the song are both tops..there's no reason to have to choose. Calling the love version "murder" is rather stupid.
69babel 3 years ago
I Love Loves version the most, but The White Sripes do it better than anyone! We used to play it with The Nips...Yeah Shane did a great version!
Fritz108 3 years ago
Are you serious? The White Stripes do it better than anyone?! The White Stripes' version sounds like someone is getting hacked to death with butcher knife!
MotownConnoisseur30 2 years ago
I love both versions fro different reasons: Paul Jones' superb vocals, and Love's strident, edgy take on the song. I read that Arthur Lee was, in fact, a big Burt Bacharach fan, and that Love's version really did piss him off. BTW, I love Bacharach also.
pborrellij 3 years ago
Re: the Love vs. Manfred debate - This is very nice but Love had the radio hit, which I prefer also. And I'm a big Manfred Mann fan.
moorlock2003 3 years ago 2
You revamped this! I didn't realize that could be done (once you'd entered it here). It's all louder, & the keyboards are as prominent as I remember them. Now I have to take back my right-before-this comment about "it was more melancholy". I'd forgotten it did move as well as this. But the harmonies should NEVER be tampered with, they are the moody part.
CriticalListener 3 years ago
Believe it or not, Love lovers, when this was written 40 years ago, it wasn't meant to be a hard-edged 'hitting' kind of song. It was more of a melancholy take on the subject. That's it's been redone & you love it is fine. Just don't claim it's how it was "supposed" to be, when you probably weren't even born when it first came out.
CriticalListener 3 years ago
No problem with the recording or the energy, but the chords and melody in Love's version just don't fit together. It's discordant.
And Love were capable of much better. "Forever Changes" was a very good album.
Maybe they were just trying to annoy Bacharach.
dincz 3 years ago
That discord is what is so hooky about Love's version. You can't look at it and you can't look away. Mann's version makes you think they're singing the wrong notes from what Bacharach has written. It's a challenge for any vocalist.
laylacalif 3 years ago
what do you mean murdered by love?
this version is good, but that one is recorded better and rocks harder and this one i find boring.
why do you think its better? (im not fighting)
jessehicks 3 years ago 5
the Love version is fantastic proto-garage-punk shit...but this version is great too, always remember it from the scene with Peter O'toole and Paula Prentiss.
69babel 3 years ago
This is much better than Love's version!!
supremeking1230 3 years ago
This is my fav version from a fav movie of mine
destructivedandy 3 years ago
Until tonight, Ted Nugent was the only artist I had that ever performed thsi song. Didn't know it was a cover. I like this one as well.
Dayv1110 3 years ago
There is another version on Burt Bacharach plays his hit's by R&B singer Tony Middleton. The version is more mainstream than either MM or Love's, it captures the young sophisticated sound of the 60's that Bacharach dominated.
lrododriguez6 3 years ago
I personally think Tony Middleton's version is the best version of any artists.
MotownConnoisseur30 3 years ago
Ugh. This is horrible. Love pwns it.
progcunt 3 years ago 5
so its MM in the film? Nice, but Love's I like better. It's stronger. Any idea which one was recorded first?
giles422 3 years ago
I'm a Love fanatic, but I do think this version (and the film version) captures the essence of Bacharach much better. After all, Arthur Lee thought it was great when he saw the movie and was disappointed that Bacharach hated Love's version. However, Love's version did go on to inspire Syd Barrett to write "Interstellar Overdrive".
I'd say there is room for both versions.
fauxtoehead 3 years ago
For a really great version of this song go to Loser's Lounge Burt Bacharach tribute. A guy named Julian Maile performs a really great version.
judithj1 3 years ago
Way back in the day, I heard Love's version of this and loved it. I would have been very surprised had anyone told be that it was a Burt Bacharach tune. But just now, hearing Manfred Mann's version for the first time ever, Bacharach's style is clearly evident. I like Love's version better, but I found it very interesting to listen to this take on BB's song.
mudhens4ever 3 years ago
no, this is the definitve version. reminds me of my childhood growing up in swinging london.
bluwooforme 3 years ago
Nah, Love's is. Manfred Mann never did the definitive version of anything... including "The Mighty Quinn." This is by no means dreadful, like airmiami said, but definitive? No way. It is, however, more "Bacharachy," if you will; it has more of that Bacharach bounce that Love's lacks.
Still, Love transformed this song, MM merely played it; dincz' "murdered" comment is way off. Maybe it's a British thing...
GrigoriSom 3 years ago 2
Could be a British thing but I think it's more of a melodic and harmonic thing.
dincz 3 years ago
Sure, Love simplified the harmonies a bit and took some liberties with the melody, just like most great artists do... but not THAT much; changes occur in the same place, and the melodic arc is intact. MM's version is like a textbook version of the song, while Love's is a reinterpretation... and certainly more rocking. Horses for courses, I suppose.
Just check out The White Stripes cover for a REAL deconstruction.
GrigoriSom 3 years ago
I think the best version is by Tony Middleton! If you want to hear the best version, it's that one!
supremeking1230 3 years ago
I agree dincz...this version has a more vocally emotional tone to it... much more moody then other versions- the vocalist has a distinctive and warm tone to his voice...much like the vocalist from Jerry and the Pacemakers.
MightySaturn5 3 years ago
Love's version is THE version. This is elevator music... dreadful!
airmiami 3 years ago 2
If you like Love's version of this, you'll absolutely love the cover versions on 'fibboks' youtube page.
dincz 3 years ago
have you got a direct link, sounds cool!
airmiami 3 years ago
have you got a direct link, sounds cool!
airmiami 3 years ago
just type fibboks in the search box - i can't post links in comments.
dincz 3 years ago
Oh, aren't you funny.
GrigoriSom 3 years ago
is it paul jones singing? or the other guy?
missyb16 3 years ago
yes, it's paul jones singing.
dincz 3 years ago
This was in the movie What's New Pussycat with Peter O'toole and Peter Sellers. It is a fave of rock and rollers, the white stripes even cover it.
judithj1 3 years ago
Not this version but yes, it was in the movie. You know who wrote it?
jblacktree 3 years ago