i saw this a while ago. It still makes me feel good as a black male to know i'm not the only one trying to use intelligence. I still applaud this brother.
@LethalPenguin92 actually you have ti pay to take a special tour of it, and the only reason most regular tours are free is because it's subsidized by taxes..
@halfhausaman Well obviously you're going to have to pay for a special tour. When I said it was free I mean entry - anyone can go in and look at the amazing things it holds. Of course you're going to have to pay for a tour, you're taking up the guide's time and knowledge so of course you should pay. But still the Museum is free, no one is forcing you to pay for a tour.
@halfhausaman Lol well obviously its going to be subsidised most museums are. What would you rather have then: we return every single item of "theft" to their places of origin where they probably won't be looked as well and even looted with all the violence and disturbances which has been occuring of late, don't need to think much further than Iraq and the Arab Spring. If it wasn't subsidised these items of "theft" would rot - I really can't see the problem with this.
@LethalPenguin92 Well that's been Britain's argument enshrined in GB law many times forbidding the return of any disputed artifacts 1ce it's INSIDE the museum. That most museums would be emptied round the world. Probably just the European ones which is the real issue. Most artifacts weren't purchased they were seized & UNESCO has asked us to return many things we've refused to. Many countries now have curatory systems just as sophisticated as ours so the lack of care argument is a false one.
@halfhausaman ...And even though you think all these items were stolen by Britain thanks to the Empire, I am sorry but this is not true. Things like the Elgin Marbles which the Greeks are constantly saying belongs to them. I am sorry but we BOUGHT and PAID for this, it was not stolen. We did them a favour safeguarding it from the Ottoman Empire. When Lord Elgin found them, they were lying on the floor decaying away. They certainly wouldn't exist today if it wasn't for British "theft".
@LethalPenguin92 I'm a member of the museum. Elgin Marbles were not bought. Not from Greece/Ottomans. Lord Elgin acquired a 'permit' from the Ottoman Sultan at the time (they didn't own them either) & they were removed by his agents & taken to Britain, the furore kicked off, the GB govt paid ELGIN £70K for the whole set (there were many bidders incl Napoleon Bonaparte).GB claim lies with a copy of a translation of a document allegedly granting permission now missing. Even UNESCO disapporoves
Not much to reproach your speech,just saying:Hitler didn't just kill 'white people',black people were early targets of the Nazi regime.Whether African-Germans,French-African soldiers stationed in the Rhineland,some in resistance,even individuals from the US.In fact the Germans had used concentration camps holding members of a specific ethnic group whom they tattoed, in Namibia, even before 1933. (The outcry in Europe was minimal, as other European countries behaved similarly in Africa).
Starkey, the destructive "culture" of that proportion of the rioters who were more interested in acquiring commodities (as opposed to those reacting against the police murder) is called Thatcherism.
On the Astrology thing, I'm not speaking for him, but if he'd said ASTRONOMY, he would be right, as for Astrology I think that was a universal tech all humans had the capability of once they became hunter-gatherers, millenia b4 any time period we're debating about. The washing themselves is a common misconception & prejudice held by some Africans true, specific to this period it was partially true for parts of Europe that experienced regression in civilization (Plague/famine/poor sanitation)
but I know that it wasn't true for all parts of Europe during the Dark Ages after the fall of Rome, eg Byzantines/Franks/Britain etc, even if parts of France or Dacia might have been ravaged. I take issue with the fact that ALL the history is not delivered to the masses. Just the relevant parts to whoever is interpreting events and deducing current affairs from it and that is by far from exclusive to Blacks or Whites.
@KnowledgeIsAll He certainly didn't make his name doing poor hip hop, and his MOBOs and accolades have come under Grime categories, competing against other Grime songs. His beefs have been with Grime artists (Wiley). His style/flow is in a Grime style. His music is in a Grime style. At BEST he is a RAP artist. Certainly NOT HIP HOP. I think you don't have a clue what Hip Hop is to make that statement. Next you will be telling me The Streets/Mike Skinner are Hip Hop artists! LMAO
@JayGriffinblaze Yes he did he made his name battling on Jumpoff.tv way before he was on the mobos and all of his early mixtapes were on hiphop instrumentals, for example dead prez's 'hiphop'.
@KnowledgeIsAll You consider someone battling on "Jumpoff.TV" as evidence of Green's involvement with Hip Hop/Hip Hop culture? Hahahahahaha!! You're a mainstreamer, trying to comment on culture which you have only absorbed 3rd/4th hand from the very mediums which themselves absorbed it 2nd/3rd hand and thinking it is part of the same thing because u're too proud/ignorant/uninformed/ to concede ignorance about.
You mainstreamers make me laugh. You are exposed to a severely watered down
@KnowledgeIsAll throwing a couple of weak semi-commersh grime-style raps over a weak semi-commersh "dead prez" track which they only made to crossover in the 1st place is not an indication of a person's foundation/experience or even involvement within a culture/genre!
Anybody can get a bunch of instrumentals to rhyme over. Doesn't mean they are Hip Hop though. The fact you can't tell the difference tells me your approximate age and lack of knowledge in this matter. Done here.
@JayGriffinblaze No but the fact that throughout the early stages of his career, he literally only rapped on hiphop instrumentals and came up through freestyle battling, something that doesn't exist in grime where the 'clash' culture is entirely prewritten, puts him firmly in the bracket of hiphop. Whether he is good hiphop or bad hiphop is a purely subjective matter. And how old are you? My 'knowledge in this matter' is extensive trust me.
@KnowledgeIsAll Freetstyle battling is not a determinant for whether or not someone is a proponent of Hip Hop. Again you are coming with mainstream "8 Mile" sensibilities at this. I don't know what grime you've been listening, to but there were/are many grime MCs that battled both freestyle/prewritten. Heck even Garage MCs (who are basically the ancestors of Grime ones) had the occasional freestyler. My age? Old enough to have attended block parties in the VERY early 80s in THIS country.
@KnowledgeIsAll Your knowledge is extensive yet you don't seem able to seperate the difference between Hip Hop and Mainstream Rap, by its conventions, requirements, aesthetics or practitioners let alone how they relate to the original debate. Yeah. Extensive in a 'Guardian' newspaper sort of way. Extensive for a mainstreamer maybe. Nothing to do with god or bad hip hop. You AREN'T hip hop without any of the elements. Prof Green barely manages one.
@JayGriffinblaze So you are the authority on what can classify as hiphop now are you? The minute something goes mainstream it is no longer hiphop? Who are you, the genre police? Please point me to an example of three freestyle battles between grime emcees on Youtube. 'You aren't hiphop without any of the elements'- is rap not an element of hiphop now??
@KnowledgeIsAll I'm not an authority (without needing to go into my connections) apart from being one of the 1st generations to experience, grow up with & help BUILD the scene in THIS country, before Capital Radio, Tim Westwood, Radio 1, Choice FM, 1Xtra even considered getting involved. but if you knew anything about Hip Hop you would know the answer to your mainstream question is yes - If it follows the conventions of a DIFFERENT sub-genre.
@KnowledgeIsAll "The minute something goes mainstream it is no longer hiphop?" If I have to explain this to u, then you are too young/mainstream to understand. Circa late 80s the Rap subgenre emerges out of the crossover appeal of Gangster Rap/party Rap. That & the fact that it was being bought in greater numbers by white suburban kids led to a situation where the Big 6 started buying up all labels/artists & only promoting those that fit a certain mould -
@JayGriffinblaze the trends for gangster lyrics/exaggerrated braggadoccio/affluence display/sexual explicit focus etc (e.g. trace these artists: 2 Live Crew - Luke Campbell - Master P - Juvenile - Hot Boyz - Lil Wayne) & a host of things that have become synonymous with what most people think is 'Rap'. Combined with monopoly of the radio stations & introduction of playlisting. everything you hear on most media since 2000 (building since 1987) is Rap, not Hip Hop.
@JayGriffinblaze so gangster/barggadocio/affluence display/sex raps aren't hiphop then? So are Big Daddy Kane, Kool G Rap, LL Cool J, Run DMC, Heltah Skeltah, Wu-Tang Clan, Redman, Schooly D, KRS-1, Big Pun, Notorious Big, Nas, etc. not hiphop then?
@KnowledgeIsAll I think you're either young or deliberately obtuse if you can't distinguish the braggadoccio of BDK era from current. Or Affluence display of Slick Rick/Kool Moe Dee from Lil Wayne et al. And none of the artists you mentioned were gangster rappers, neither did they make music in the Gangsta Rap category. Also all these artists you mentioned HAD SKILLS. Lyricism. Unless u seriously want to compare Nas (1st album to Nas now?)
@JayGriffinblaze What so Kool G Rap, Notorious Big and Big Pun weren't gangster rappers??? 99.9% of thier content is talking about guns/drugs/crime. What is your definition of a gangster rapper then?? I'm not debating the skill of the artists, I am debating the content, which is what we were talking about.
@JayGriffinblaze It's funny because I thought the genre of 'rap' could be traced back to the early '80s with songs like Felix and Jarvis' 'Flamethrower Rap'. But then again what do I know? I've never had my own internet radio show...
@KnowledgeIsAll Yes it can be traced back to the early 80s (if you've read what I've said you would see that) U would also have seen that the distinctions were blurred in the early days because there was no mainstream involvement. Once that changed circa 1987 there has been a definite schism/split between Rap and Hip Hop (not one imposed by disgruntled Hip Hop followers), which is why many do not recognise the difference. Counter my arguments with relevant imput please.
@JayGriffinblaze You may want to redefine the definitions of rap and hip-hop but to 99.9999999% of the population, they are one and the same. To the other 0.000001% who want to be pedantic, rap is part of hiphop culture.
@KnowledgeIsAll genre police?lol I was a presenter on 1 of the 1st internet radio stations in the UK in the early 90s. I've followed the music/culture since the late 70s, I've attended MANY concerts/clubs/showcases (in the days when it wasn't well known & noone catered for it/government legislated against it etc) My collection numbers in the 10000s, I don't even need to mention who I know/connected to/how let alone what I've done, any1 that's been immersed in the culture would/should know this
@KnowledgeIsAll As I said, present5ing 1 of the 1st net radio shows wasn't anything major as I stated when I said it. You seem to think that without YT to observe it no other trends, occurrences, conventions could have possibly dictated or infleunced the way hip hop & rap have developed in this country.
@KnowledgeIsAll U want an example of Grime freestyle battles? LOL You are young, if you can't picture a time before Youtube! lol 1.) I don't follow Grime I think it's an awful/creativity absent form of music used by yoof to pretend to be 'down' at best and poor imitation of an already existing culture marketed as the "sound of Urban British Youth" in order to circumvent/undermine the real talent/opposition to those that decide who plays what/where at worst
@JayGriffinblaze So basically you can't name a single video where this occurs. Considering you can find videos of practically anything in existence on YouTube, I think this quite accurately demonstrates that no (or negligibly few) grime emcees participate in freestyle battles. And aren't you a bit old to be championing a genre of music? You sound like a teenager attempting to justify the worth of his music choice to his parents.
@KnowledgeIsAll whatever dude. I'm sure they exist, I'm just saying I lack the inclination or desire to strat trawling throughvids looking for Grime artists - when I think the Genre is rubbish anyway. That doesn't mean to say in the early days there were no freestylers, just not in the same vein as HipHop ones, which wasn't even what we were talking about in the 1st place, but jump on that if u want.
@KnowledgeIsAll Son, in trying to explain to u what the music scene might have been like BEFORE the YT era started making ppl like urself only believe that things may have only existed if someone recorded it onto a medium that has only been around since 2005, maybe u could picture a time when ppl emceed on street corners, in stairwells, at grubby student bars & open mic nights in dead pubs noone wanted to go into or didn't have door policies at, where GRIME freestylers may have plied their trade
@KnowledgeIsAll and finally - "RAPPING" is an element of Hip Hop - NOT RAP. Rapping - the verb, not the noun that is, still has conventions, aesthetics, requirements, objectives etc which an emcee is required to follow in order to BE Hip Hop. For example, Cab Calloway jived, scatted & rapped - would you say he was a rapper? If ure that confident, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE go on the KRS-1/Roots/REAL Hip Hop vids and say what u said to me about Prof Green there and get laughed out the room!
@KnowledgeIsAll Yes there is a big difference. One is something you do, the other is a multi-billion dollar business controlled and manipulated by The Big 6 record labels.
Your contention is the classic defence a mainstreamer has. Been around for decades so u aren't the 1st to make it. "Boo hoo they are dismissing what we think we know about Hip Hop/Rap so the only way to balance the argument is to attack them, not the evidence/argument they are contending with"
@JayGriffinblaze Rap can also be something to do. That's like saying there's a huge difference between being a singer and singing. I don't know why you keep referring to me as a 'mainstreamer'. I listen to a lot of underground hiphop, as well as lots of other forms of music.
@KnowledgeIsAll Hey,are u that Mike idiot from the Guardian newspaper that wrote the "The History of Hip Hop and R&B" special last year? cuz he got blasted on his own article 4 saying what u have.
@brianspost75 what one like David Starkey maybe - who can't even give a non-biased non royalist view of his own specialism of Tudor history? Laughable.
@DrKildem I don't think Muslims r backwards with regards to their history of invention. They r just backwards nowadays bcoz of they run their countries according to outdated religious traditions. That said, they were in no way responsible for the 'white man''s enlightenment as literallly nothing that Nabil mentions in this video was brought to Europe by the Moors- they all previously existed in Europe. I love how people think something is 'fact' because a comedian says it on Youtube...
@KnowledgeIsAll Religion does not hinder science. The enlightenment period for the muslims was when the caliph was established! Where's the caliph now? Yes the Moors were responsible for the white man's enlightenment as was science from the muslims in building the foundations for you. The west has made great advancements thanks to the building blocks given to you by muslims. There is nothing more I can say if you are too self-conceited to admit it.
@DrKildem Yes it does. The belief in something on account of 'faith' (which basically means believing in things regardless of whether there is any evidence or not) is directly opposed to science, which relies on proof. And things that are written in a book don't count as proof. And no it's not a result of conceit, it's a result of literally everything that Nabil claims that the Moors brought to Europe had existed there for hundreds of years. Cross check it yourself if you dont believe me.
@KnowledgeIsAll Just because some people maintain things happened one way does not mean that was that way, or that it had always been that way. Nabil is wrong about some things in the Moorish period. He's also misinformed about the whole of Europe, when in fact influences were a combined number of factors and were not uniform in all parts. That does not mean that the Moors never contributed. I refer u to the work of Bethany Hughes as one example of a White Historian that disagrees with you.
@JayGriffinblaze My argument isn't whether the Moors contributed, it's more a general annoyance at the fact that in literally all of Nabil's videos he invents things and people hang off his every word. And also the hypocrisy of supposedly speaking out against racism but saying that whithout black people white people would be living in caves and wouldn't know how to wash themselves!!! I don't agree with David Starkey I think he's an idiot but I also think Nabil is.
@KnowledgeIsAll It annoys me too. Both ways - the prejudiced/ignorant Black ppl that absorb the comment as literal & don't actually go & research the history themselves, yet claim to know the coup, and the White/Asian/Other that naturally take offence to the dismissal of their culture & ignore the fact that the evidence maintains there is an issue brushing under the carpet or using the same old sterotypes to explain will just not solve. I think u need to look a lil deeper into what he's saying.
@JayGriffinblaze I understand fully what he says and agree with him about David Starkey, who is also an idiot, but it doesn't negate the hypocrisy of him criticizing one racist whilst using racist mistruths to illustrate his point,
@KnowledgeIsAll The only thing you could maintain as an untruth is the Astrology to Medieval Europe - and as I've said, I think he meant Astronomy which is true as I've said already. Most stars in the sky still have the names Muslims gave, acquired each time jerusalem/Antioch, Acre etc were sacked. The running water comment is also partly true. You talk like Roman Civilization was maintained unbroken from 400CE in ALL of Europe when it wasn't.
@JayGriffinblaze The running water comment is not at all true in any way, shape or form and nor is the teaching white people hygiene or us beating ourselves over the head with clubs. But that's a joke, right? That's like me saying, 'Black people still be eating each other if it wasn't for the white man' and then saying that it was a joke.
@KnowledgeIsAll I'm sorry but in parts of Europe it WAS true for the period we are talking about. It wasn't all Camelot prsietiness and Hollywood Chivalric Knights everywhere. Not every Feudal Lord was benign, not every King was monarch of swathes of green & pleasant lands. Famine, Plague, in fighting, tribalism, war, Catholicism and fundamentalism kept many parts of Europe in worse condition that was even Pre-Roman times. Britain wasn't backward, but parts of Southern France/Dacia eg were
@JayGriffinblaze For example - there is plenty of material that will show you the conditions of London before the Great Fire of 1666. Or the original London Bridge of the Early Tudor period. Hygeine definitely wasn't high in priorities, hence Christopher Wren's reconstruction of London.
@KnowledgeIsAll Knowledge but many people still maintain that fallacy today! In fact there are many many cases during the period and up to recent times when cannibalism happened in Europe or in their colonies. The Cannibalistic African tribes in all history number on one hand! I've already given u my opinions on the hygiene/caveman comments in agreement with u, u still haven't addressed all the other stuff I've put to you.
@KnowledgeIsAll dude, Nabil is a Comedian. Bill Hicks said a lot of stuff that was funny and true as hell and offended a LOT of people, as did Pryor, or Chris Rock, or MANY OTHERS and those people used the sarcasm/irony/comedy in the subject matter to help ppl THINK about it and that includes by outrageous statements.Frankie Boyle? Doesn't mean for u to hang on every word, Black or White - 1 gets defensive from the backlash & the other gets empowered by the tit for tat. Gotta look a lil deeper.
@JayGriffinblaze So you are telling me that the statements that Nabil made about the Moors bringing astrology and running water to white people are a deliberately outrageous statement intended to be a joke??? If so erm yeah funny. He is trying to be an 'intellectual' comedian a la Michael Moore, which is what I find so incredibly annoying and smug about him because literally every 'fact' he quotes in every video is wrong. Also are you a fan of Bernard Manning or Roy Chubby Brown then??
@KnowledgeIsAll I think you're being deliberately obtuse. He's trying to expose the hypocrisy of such statements I think. So what he said Astrology when he should have said astronomy, or didn't say running water to some parts of Europe that had tech/civilization reduced to peasant subsistence. The point is that it is in part true. The fact that it is means there's an issue with perception - a direct consequence of racism. U only mention the same 2 things as being wrong. What else was wrong?
@JayGriffinblaze He said they brought running water to white people, not to ' some parts of Europe that had tech/civilization reduced to peasant subsistence' and he also said black people taught us to wash ourselves and that we were bashing each other over the head with clubs until the black man came along. He also says that black people are 'the most accepting culture' at the end, which is a) arrogant and b) a fucking joke.
@KnowledgeIsAll"'the most accepting culture' at the end, which is a) arrogant and b) a fucking joke."
Not arrogant if you look at Black ppl's incorporation of and coexistence with foreigners on the whole when contact was made with other peoples. Even Egypt didn't attack the Hyksos until they had attacked first. Wasn'treally the same the other way around. There are 100s of examples. That doesn't mean to say there aren't racists/seperatists amongst them.It doesn't mean that others are not
@KnowledgeIsAll Big difference between Bernard Manning, Roy Brown and what this guy does. He certainly doesn't go around telling Englishman/Paki/Jamaican bloke jokes now does he. You're supposed to have a black gf. Are you for real? Where's your missus from? Bedfordshire?
@JayGriffinblaze No he tells white jokes- saying that they would be beating themselves over the head with caves and wouldn't understand hygiene if it wasn't for the black man, which you yourself have said is 'just a joke'. It's exactly the same as Chubby Brown and Manning and probably on a par humour wise, as in cringeworthily unfunny.
@KnowledgeIsAll probably can't disagree with the caveman/hygeine comment equating to Manning Jungle bunnies in mud huts material at a basic level, but he's not speaking in an entertainment capacity when commenting here. Besides part of the statement we take issue with is true. It doesn't automatically dismiss everything else that has merit if you choose to look above the literal level.
@JayGriffinblaze For the record I don't really agree with Frankie Boyle either. Making jokes about celebrities' disabled kids isn't really that funny...
@KnowledgeIsAll no it's not, but there's a lot of what Frankie says that holds weight, extreme it may be. Every comedian should have limits, but to suggest that they can offend for offending sake is unacceptable I'm sure we can agree. I don't think that's what Nabil is doing or Boyle. Manning etc just didn't care, which is a greater problem than exaggerating the truth/elaborating truths which offends some people, ignoring the gaping truths in the rest of what's said.
@JayGriffinblaze Nabil appears not to care about any race other than black, just as Manning doesn't care about any race other than white in your opinion in his comedy. He makes a lot of equally racist stereotyping jokes and is of about the same level of comedy.
@KnowledgeIsAll I do not want this to turn into a theist/atheist debate. No atheist will admit he is too proud or that he loves this world too much to submit to his creator. To admit this is clearly shameful, in the same way no racist will admit to being racist. I am sure Hitler would not have admitted that he was racist. This 'scientific proof' argument is a smokescreen just like Hitler calling his regime 'National Socialism' instead of the racism which it was. Smokescreens.
@DrKildem I think plenty of racists admit to being racists- the KKK don't really seem to refute it very much!!! And the Hitler comment is priceless. Do you think race-related policies were the sole component of national socialism?? I think Hitler as much of a self-confessed racist as you can get!! Your comments about religion are just about as ridiculous as can be and don't even merit a reply.
@KnowledgeIsAll 99% of racists do NOT admit to being racist so they might describe it using different words. It's a typical ploy. Atheism is about as ridiculous as can be from all spheres in life and does not merit a reply.
@DrKildem Yes Hitler didn't admit to being racist?????? What fucking planet are you on? I don't think atheism wants a reply either?????? It's not asking you anything...
@KnowledgeIsAll The point is that atheist asking for the proof of God is a smokescreen to hide the fact that they
1) Love this life too much to submit to their creator
2) Are too prideful to do so.
It is a fact that 99% of racists do not admit it rather they sugarcoat their language to hide their true and ghastly inner convictions......quite reminiscent to atheists.
@DrKildem 1) You cant be reminiscent to something??? I have no idea wot u r even trying to say here.
2) askin for proof is a smokescreen???? yet again, that doesn't even merit a reply. Theres little point tryin to change the opinion of somebody who has the mental capacity of a rock
3) Although what you are saying with regards to racists has some truth in it, don't you think Hitler was a pretty fucking bad example, seeing as he is possibly the most outspoken advocate of racism in history???
@KnowledgeIsAll Racists hiding their inner convictions by using smokescreen is reminiscent to atheist hiding their inner convictions. What do you not understand?
I agree, there is very little point in trying to change the opinion of someone with the mental capacity of a rock....which is why I don't bother debate atheists. An intelligent person is satisfied with a good reason. The fool wants proof. I do not bother with your type. Ignorance of God is bliss, I'll leave you to it then.
@DrKildem 'What do you not understand'-well wot u have said doesn't even make grammatical sense for a start. Any1 that says that things are 'reminiscent to' things and says that they don't 'debate atheists' can hardly accuse anybody else of being stupid, can they now? 'an intelligent person is satisfied with a good reason, a fool wants proof'- thats the most moronic thing I ever heard.Wot ur essentialy sayin is smart ppl take anythin theyr told as gospel whereas stupid people question things.
@KnowledgeIsAll Look up what reminiscent means: something which reminds you of something else. You don't understand anything of what I told you. I hope you enjoy the rest of your meaningless life.
@DrKildem actually what Knowledge is saying to you is correct. Your statement didn't make sense. And you can never be "reminiscent TO" something, that's poor grammar. You can be talking about something being "Reminiscent OF" something else meaning it reminds you or is akin to whatever it is you're likening it to. 2 Bob.
@JayGriffinblaze I hear you, Jay, but the question is: is a preposition really worth making a whole new issue out of, whilst avoiding the ACTUAL issue at hand? The original point is that atheist will not reveal their true inner convictions, the same way racists don't. The issue is not about "of" or "to", these are easy slip ups to make and not worth partying over. I wonder if my point struck a raw nerve in him that he had to digress? The truth usually does.
i remmeber this pusyyyyy i used to go to his schoool....you used to get bullied like maaaaaaad jheeeze its good to see your doin something and havent comitted suicide bro...shiiit really suprising man bro forgive me for making you strip naked once in front of everyone...but they were old days ofcourse we can forget that
keep up the charisma...the intelligence and the passion brother. Doing us proud...you'l get loads of racial hate comments, but these boils down to insecurities, inadequaties, ignorance. Keep on keeping on.
@fusionorloosion No it boils down to the fact that virtually every single 'fact' that he states about the Moors is plucked out of thin air, which is pretty obviously going to rub people up the wrong way...
most of the "facts" this guy is saying are bullshit,the moors were coming to europe and taking whole villages of people for slaves long before the european slave trade,there are more slaves in africa now than at any other time in history there are no white rulers in africa,the last country to abolish slavery was an african country, mali in 2001.english people weren't "hitting each other with clubs" at the time of the moors we were defeating the armada and of coarse reading shakspeare.moors =arab
@TheNoonwah Yes this is exactly my gripe. You can't rewrite history to fit a racial agenda. Nearly every 'fact', especially regarding things that the Moors have supposedly brought to Europe, is plucked out of thin air. The fact that black people on here are praising this guy as an intellectual simply because he is the same colour as them is pretty worrying.
@KnowledgeIsAll "You can't rewrite history to fit a racial agenda. Nearly every 'fact', especially regarding things that the Moors have supposedly brought to Europe, is plucked out of thin air"
How is that different from the European interpretation of historical events, not just in Al-Andalus? It is well known European traditions of chivalry & castle building were as a direct result of Moorish dissemination of these cultural aesthetics in europe. go and read up on your Charlemagne.
@JayGriffinblaze It's not different at all. You think that's somehow connected with me because I'm white??? Maybe you should start hanging out with Diane Abbot...
@KnowledgeIsAll what is connected with you? What has you being white got to do with it? I was just correcting your historical inaccuracies. Diane Abbott is as bad as the "posh white boys" she criticizes and doesn't speak for me. I doubt many educated/intelligent/fair minded Black people think she speaks for them either. Get some perspective.
@JayGriffinblaze You were correcting my historical innacuracies by saying "How is that different from the European interpretation of historical events" but yet you think that has nothing to do with me being white? This is precisely my point. How are historical inaccuracies perpetuated by somebody who just happens to be the same colour as me in any way MY historical innacuracies??? The racial hypocrisy of some black people will never fail to astound me.
@KnowledgeIsAll ""How is that different from the European interpretation of historical events" but yet you think that has nothing to do with me being white?" No that was in direct response to your accusation that Black people reinterpret history to suit a racial agenda. I was trying to show you that Europeans are masters at that and it is no different from your claims. It is YOUR historical inaccuracy if u perpetuate inaccuracies/sometimes fallacies that have been engendered through the ages
@JayGriffinblaze Which of my claims do this? Please point me to one. I also didn't say that black people reinterpret things to fit an agenda, I said that this is what Nabil has done. You seem to find it hard to differentiate between individuals and the entire race that they belong to.
@JayGriffinblaze so castle building and the code of chivlary also encompasses astrology and running water does it? Also Europeans started building castles in 2 bc, which is way before they had any contact with the Moors.
@KnowledgeIsAll I think you're being deliberately obtuse. Astrology? Running water? what? Please tell me where this 2BCE European Castle was - bearing mind a Hill-fort is not a true castle, neither are Mottes & Baileys (Norman anyway so no), and neither are city walls/fortifications such as at Constantinople? The earilest castles I'm aware of were the 1 in Gibraltar started in the 8thC by the Moors, & the Doue-La-Fontaine near Anjou in 950 made from stone as far as I know
@JayGriffinblaze I'm not being obtuse I'm just pointing out that none of the claims that are being made are actually true!! The earliest castle in Europe with outer walls made of stone was the Palace of Tiryns which was built a few hundred years BC I do believe.
@TheNoonwah Your knowledge of history is a bit skewered if you think England was defeating the Spanish Armada & watching Shakepeare plays (they weren't read widely until later) during Al-Andalusian period. The Fall of Granada happened in 1492, when Isabella I & Ferdinand II defeated Emir Muhammed XII (Boabdil). Shakespeare wasn't even born until 1564 & never released a play until mid 1580s, & the defeat ofthe Spanish armada was 1588. Moors conquered Iberia in 7thC during European Dark Ages.
@JayGriffinblaze Not too sure about the Spanish Armada, etc. (well I am actually and they are wrong) but the Moors came on the scene in 700 AD. The romans invented running water pipes in 50 AD and astonomy had already existed for 2000 years by that point. To say that white people were bashing themselves over their heads at this point is racist and ignorant to say the least.
@KnowledgeIsAll Well if u aren't sure abt the Spanish Armada & can't be bothered to look it up, take it from someone that KNOWS. I assure u, u are out by a century. as for the Moors. First reconaissance on invitation from turncoat Visigoth Count Julian with 500 soldiers was in 710 at Tarifa port(from which we get the word tariff for the tax that was imposed here). The 1st major wave landed in Iberia with 6,700 soldiers/300 Arab translators in 711 at Gebel Tarik (from which we get Gibraltar).
@JayGriffinblaze I am sure about the Spanish Armada I was being facetious- read the part in brackets- the 'they are wrong' in reference to the facts that Noonwah said is a little bit of a clue. Funny how you fail to mention anything else in that post, for example the fact that every single historical fact that Nabil has cited is plucked from out of thin air.
@KnowledgeIsAll u didn't indicate that the "they" was in reference to Noonwah's inaccuracies on the timeline so u can attempt to be facetious, but the statement didn't make sense, which was why I questioned it.
Damn I did respond, was tied thought I'd got my response to the running water post through the funny letter nonsense u have to do after u've posted more than 1 comment. I'll try and recall what I wrote.
I've outlined already - scout mission 710CE. 1st wave - 711CE. NOT 700CE. Bear in mind the Moors pre-date Islam by about 300yrs!
"romans invented running water pipes in 50 AD" - Not true. King Minos of Crete had 1 in his palace at Knossos at least 750yrs earlier than that, as did the rest of the Mycaenaean Greeks. Han Chinese also - 264BCE
@JayGriffinblaze and that was at least 550yrs earlier during his reign. Your statement about Romans 'inventing' this in 50AD links with my earlier comment about European re-interpretation of history, to suit the Empire they have over centuries sought most to identify with, themselves guilty of whitewashing history to suit (of course they aren't alone in this b4 u bust my balls!) But it's just not true to attribute everything to the romans who were mostly magpies, like the English have been.
@JayGriffinblaze the goverment will not do nothing about it the only people who will do something is the BNP blacks and muslim think they can get away with everything well in needs to stop
@blacklion90000 Can you really imagine the country being a good place to live if the BNP ever somehow got into power??? You have to surely admit that they don't seem the brightest bunch of people even if you completely ignore the immorality of their policies.
@KnowledgeIsAll one day the BNP will get in to power and i think it will be better there will be more jobs for english people but all they want to do is make brition great again but first you have to get rid off all of the fucking muslims and black people like the one making this vid
@blacklion90000 It will be fucking terrible. I personally disagree with thier race-based policies but even if you ignore them, all of thier other policies are stupid and poorly thought out as well and thier party is made up of people with criminal records and rife with corruption.
@KnowledgeIsAll well this country has to much poeple in it that from people from other countrys coming over here the BNP will sort this out and it dont matter if you have a criminal record that dont make you a bad person any most people these days have a criminal record
@blacklion90000 I think the types of things that they have criminal records for does make them bad people, for instance the loyalist extremists to which they have ties
@blacklion90000 I think that pales into signifigance when compared to colluding with loyalist paramilitaries, the KKK and even Colnel Gadaffi, which the BNP have done (read up on it).
@KnowledgeIsAll so do you like it when the muslims are burning the british flag or when they burn the poppies. they do that in are country , the country what we live in without the good english people they would not be here today and you what them to stay here.the white english people have to watch whatever they say just coz you could say something thats rasist something is wrong with that
@blacklion90000 I disagree with the fact that black ppl can say whatever they like an white people arent allowed to express any opinion on race but that doesn't mean that we should all 'send 'em back' or whatever for the obvious reasons because even ignoring the blatant immorality of it it's completely impractical. And they have the right to burn poppies it's called freedom of speech. If you don't like freedom of speech then you and the Muslims in most Islamic countries have a lot in common...
@JayGriffinblaze I'm not alone in this?? I don't think you can really peg me as being part of a process to wash blacks out of history, I've got far better things to do, such as argue on YouTube. Replace the word 'invented' with the word 'had'. The point was that they had running water way before the moors arrived.
@JayGriffinblaze And just to add, my statement about the Romans inventing it can hardly be classed as white washing when the civilisation that you cite as having it the earliest was also a white civilisation.
@KnowledgeIsAll Mycaenaean Greece was a White civilization (but I did not make this an issue about a Black or White civ having the tech first, YOU have) but I was directly challenging your statement that the ROMANS did it first. Besides, Mycaenaen Greece was a trading vassal of Egypt initially - hence Linear B which was the language they traded in, the ancestor of Linear A. That notwithstanding, white, Black, Chinese or Babylonian, others still had it BEFORE the Romans, ur contention.
@JayGriffinblaze Okay replace the word 'invented' with 'had'. The point being they had running water a long time before they had contact with the Moors. And I don't think quibbling about 10 years is really that relevant. Whether the moors came on the scene in 710 ce or 700 ce doesn't make the blindest bit of difference to the fact that europeans had already had astrology and running water for a very long time
@KnowledgeIsAll The babylonians under Nebuchadnezzar built the Hanging gardens, using the Archimedes screw tech to irrigate the gardens constantly on many levels. I think it's fair to say if they had this tech running water is an easy lateral step to make, even if it is just for the upper classes. As for the Egyptians, I haven't come across any evidence they had this tech, but since Keftiu (minoa.Crete) were at 1 time their subjects, it is safe to say they may have been aware of this tech too.
@JayGriffinblaze I don't think that it's 'fair to say' that somebody had running water because they had hanging gardens at all. I would say it's a peice of wild conjecture. It's like saying 'stone age man had fire so I think it's fair to say they probably had fire engines'.
@KnowledgeIsAll Sorry I've been busy. Yes it is. It's typical of older archaeological/historical interpretation (less so nowadays tho) to omit technological achievements in order to highlight whichever acheivement threatens or challenges received knowledge.
Are you telling me that a civ that can erect irrigated gardens on multiple levels over 80ft above the ground conducting and transporting water from the Tigris/Euphrates cannot apply that tech laterally to something even more necessary?
@TheNoonwah The Moors you talk of were of mixed populations at different times over their 800 year rule. At the start they were Berbers (descendants of german Vandals from 3 centuries earlier that conquered N.Africa), then the Visigothic client kingdoms, & it wasn't until 732 Battle of Poitiers(Tours in N.France) they were held back. After this period there ws constant changing of hands btw Muslim/Chistian/mixed rulers & many waves of armies from fundamentals were raised from Arabia & Africa
@ Nabil.....The TRUTH is this: Who we TRUELY are (Gods and Goddesses) has ALL WAYS been a threat to the race who continuously oppose us....Only those who are threats become targets....The question is.....why has the BLACK RACE been such a threat to the oopposing race????????....Hey Nabil how can I contact you via email...????...x
@TheDakiniGoddess I think if the majority of white people didn't want black people here then they wouldn't be here. There have been plenty of countries where a minority has been unwanted and they haven't insulted them on news shows, they have just massacred them. 300,000 ethnic Acholis slaughtered in Uganda is a good example. Racism is an unfortunate characteristic of human nature, irrespective of the race in power.
@TheDakiniGoddess Aside from the fact that almost everything he has said is actually factually incorrect if you actually know anything about history, don't you think it is a bit hypocritical that he is criticizing colonialism whilst at the same time praising the Moors for supposedly civilising Europeans.... by colonising them and enslaving them. The Moors are estimated to have had over 1.25 million European and North American slaves. Hardly something to glorify... especially by a black person.
@KnowledgeIsAll You are also doing the classic European thing when talking about slavery. There is a difference between the kind of slavery that was practiced in Africa (and in some ways still) pre-contact & the Arab/European version of chattel slavery. Since there was no word for the relationship between a servant and a master, Europeans equated it (with help from the Arabs) with reducing the slave to chattel, when before this the slave had rights & the master had obligations to the slave.
@JayGriffinblaze Oh there's a classic European thing is there? Because Slovenians act the same as the Polish, who in turn act like the Albanians. You want to look up Liberia. There is no difference between the type of slavery that went on there because black American freed slaves colonised it and enslaved the population using the exact same methods that had been used on them!! I don't think anybody is disputing that there is more than one type of slavery either.
@KnowledgeIsAll You're making my point for me. You generalise. Much like Diane Abbott ironically. There IS a difference btw the type of slavery because that is the argument some ppl that come with ur argument make. The issue is POST contact, the nature of slavery changed from it's closest European equivalent of Indentured servitude (although nowhere near as bad as what the English did to Scots/Irish/Welshmen) to chattel slavery. If you cannot understand this vital difference then u are Diane.
@JayGriffinblaze I will repeat- the enslavement of the Liberians was conducted using the same methods that white people used on blacks in America because Liberia was colonized by black freed slaves. They used the EXACT SAME methods that had been used on them by the whites on the natives. I will also repeat- 'I don't think anybody is disputing that there is more than one type of slavery either'.
@KnowledgeIsAll No it's not. 1.) The ACS controlled the Liberian senate up until 1964. It's founding fathers were racists for whom repatriation was a cheaper alternative to emancipation.
2.) The 'freed slaves' as u call them were subject to white governors, and after this time, used those methods in the name of their benefactors when they weren't.
3.) The fact that they used the same methods, endorsed, confirms the fact that the problem was created by the USA, not the freed slaves.
@JayGriffinblaze They could have very easily sided with the natives upon reaching Liberia and fought against the white oppressors. The reason they didn't was because they wanted power and slaves of their own...
@KnowledgeIsAll They could've. But please give me an example of any people in any culture that started out from a position of subjugation, won emancipation and DIDN'T undergo a period when they became oppressors themselves? Sparta/Greece, Chin/Han dynasties, Mughals/Marathas, Great lakes Indians/others, countless African tribes to each other post colonial rule & before, S.American Republics/Indians/Mixed populations post Independence. U forge ur new nations from the models of ur masters.
@JayGriffinblaze Yeah that's why people are so fucking stupid. Somebody's nasty to them for years on end and the minute they get free of them, they take on the role themselves. I'm not saying black people are worse than any other race for this. Just all races have dark things in their history so to keep bringing them up is counterproductive.
@KnowledgeIsAll they could have and you are exactly right, I could give many examples even up to the present day where Commonwealth nations have done just that. But you have to remember many of the ruling classes that run African countries even up till today since general independence circa 1960 are the same guys(or family through nepotism/corruption) that were responsible for liberation, the power bases are still the same pre-colonial one, the people are largely the same dudes!
@KnowledgeIsAll Fact is Moorish slavery/servitude whatever you want to call it did/does not have the impact on Europeans regardless of whether Moors were African, Arab, Visigoth, Spanish, berber or mixed that Chattel slavery had on Africans. That notwithstanding, Colonialism has even greater & worse impact than slavery did on the modern world today as we still live with its legacies. Any person that truly knows history of any extraction would know that much instinctively. Care to repost?
i saw this a while ago. It still makes me feel good as a black male to know i'm not the only one trying to use intelligence. I still applaud this brother.
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JamesGod08 1 week ago
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squiggleworks9 1 week ago
Don't want to be a dick but the British Museum is free has been for 200 years.
LethalPenguin92 1 week ago
@LethalPenguin92 actually you have ti pay to take a special tour of it, and the only reason most regular tours are free is because it's subsidized by taxes..
halfhausaman 1 week ago
@halfhausaman Well obviously you're going to have to pay for a special tour. When I said it was free I mean entry - anyone can go in and look at the amazing things it holds. Of course you're going to have to pay for a tour, you're taking up the guide's time and knowledge so of course you should pay. But still the Museum is free, no one is forcing you to pay for a tour.
LethalPenguin92 1 week ago
@LethalPenguin92 and we also chose to have our taxes subsidize and maintain these displays of theft?? hmmm
halfhausaman 1 week ago
@halfhausaman Lol well obviously its going to be subsidised most museums are. What would you rather have then: we return every single item of "theft" to their places of origin where they probably won't be looked as well and even looted with all the violence and disturbances which has been occuring of late, don't need to think much further than Iraq and the Arab Spring. If it wasn't subsidised these items of "theft" would rot - I really can't see the problem with this.
LethalPenguin92 1 week ago
@LethalPenguin92 Well that's been Britain's argument enshrined in GB law many times forbidding the return of any disputed artifacts 1ce it's INSIDE the museum. That most museums would be emptied round the world. Probably just the European ones which is the real issue. Most artifacts weren't purchased they were seized & UNESCO has asked us to return many things we've refused to. Many countries now have curatory systems just as sophisticated as ours so the lack of care argument is a false one.
JayGriffinblaze 6 days ago
@halfhausaman ...And even though you think all these items were stolen by Britain thanks to the Empire, I am sorry but this is not true. Things like the Elgin Marbles which the Greeks are constantly saying belongs to them. I am sorry but we BOUGHT and PAID for this, it was not stolen. We did them a favour safeguarding it from the Ottoman Empire. When Lord Elgin found them, they were lying on the floor decaying away. They certainly wouldn't exist today if it wasn't for British "theft".
LethalPenguin92 1 week ago
@LethalPenguin92 I'm a member of the museum. Elgin Marbles were not bought. Not from Greece/Ottomans. Lord Elgin acquired a 'permit' from the Ottoman Sultan at the time (they didn't own them either) & they were removed by his agents & taken to Britain, the furore kicked off, the GB govt paid ELGIN £70K for the whole set (there were many bidders incl Napoleon Bonaparte).GB claim lies with a copy of a translation of a document allegedly granting permission now missing. Even UNESCO disapporoves
JayGriffinblaze 6 days ago
you for the next P.M
lysander1 2 weeks ago
One more: Perhaps befitting Starkey, I love the definition of an intellectual as "Someone educated beyond their intelligence".
NicosNicosNicosNicos 3 weeks ago
Not much to reproach your speech,just saying:Hitler didn't just kill 'white people',black people were early targets of the Nazi regime.Whether African-Germans,French-African soldiers stationed in the Rhineland,some in resistance,even individuals from the US.In fact the Germans had used concentration camps holding members of a specific ethnic group whom they tattoed, in Namibia, even before 1933. (The outcry in Europe was minimal, as other European countries behaved similarly in Africa).
NicosNicosNicosNicos 3 weeks ago
Starkey, the destructive "culture" of that proportion of the rioters who were more interested in acquiring commodities (as opposed to those reacting against the police murder) is called Thatcherism.
NicosNicosNicosNicos 3 weeks ago
"Historians are like deaf people who go on answering questions that no one has asked them."
-Leo Tolstoy
sf49ersrule 3 weeks ago
@sf49ersrule Then you might be interested in reading the "On Anarchy" essay he wrote.
JayGriffinblaze 3 weeks ago
man I support you all way. I feel the same.
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On the Astrology thing, I'm not speaking for him, but if he'd said ASTRONOMY, he would be right, as for Astrology I think that was a universal tech all humans had the capability of once they became hunter-gatherers, millenia b4 any time period we're debating about. The washing themselves is a common misconception & prejudice held by some Africans true, specific to this period it was partially true for parts of Europe that experienced regression in civilization (Plague/famine/poor sanitation)
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but I know that it wasn't true for all parts of Europe during the Dark Ages after the fall of Rome, eg Byzantines/Franks/Britain etc, even if parts of France or Dacia might have been ravaged. I take issue with the fact that ALL the history is not delivered to the masses. Just the relevant parts to whoever is interpreting events and deducing current affairs from it and that is by far from exclusive to Blacks or Whites.
JayGriffinblaze 1 month ago
@JayGriffinblaze Professor Green isn't a grime artist. He made his name doing (poor) hiphop
KnowledgeIsAll 1 month ago
@KnowledgeIsAll He certainly didn't make his name doing poor hip hop, and his MOBOs and accolades have come under Grime categories, competing against other Grime songs. His beefs have been with Grime artists (Wiley). His style/flow is in a Grime style. His music is in a Grime style. At BEST he is a RAP artist. Certainly NOT HIP HOP. I think you don't have a clue what Hip Hop is to make that statement. Next you will be telling me The Streets/Mike Skinner are Hip Hop artists! LMAO
JayGriffinblaze 1 month ago
@JayGriffinblaze Yes he did he made his name battling on Jumpoff.tv way before he was on the mobos and all of his early mixtapes were on hiphop instrumentals, for example dead prez's 'hiphop'.
KnowledgeIsAll 2 weeks ago
@KnowledgeIsAll You consider someone battling on "Jumpoff.TV" as evidence of Green's involvement with Hip Hop/Hip Hop culture? Hahahahahaha!! You're a mainstreamer, trying to comment on culture which you have only absorbed 3rd/4th hand from the very mediums which themselves absorbed it 2nd/3rd hand and thinking it is part of the same thing because u're too proud/ignorant/uninformed/ to concede ignorance about.
You mainstreamers make me laugh. You are exposed to a severely watered down
JayGriffinblaze 2 weeks ago
@KnowledgeIsAll throwing a couple of weak semi-commersh grime-style raps over a weak semi-commersh "dead prez" track which they only made to crossover in the 1st place is not an indication of a person's foundation/experience or even involvement within a culture/genre!
Anybody can get a bunch of instrumentals to rhyme over. Doesn't mean they are Hip Hop though. The fact you can't tell the difference tells me your approximate age and lack of knowledge in this matter. Done here.
JayGriffinblaze 2 weeks ago
@JayGriffinblaze No but the fact that throughout the early stages of his career, he literally only rapped on hiphop instrumentals and came up through freestyle battling, something that doesn't exist in grime where the 'clash' culture is entirely prewritten, puts him firmly in the bracket of hiphop. Whether he is good hiphop or bad hiphop is a purely subjective matter. And how old are you? My 'knowledge in this matter' is extensive trust me.
KnowledgeIsAll 1 week ago
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JayGriffinblaze 1 week ago
@KnowledgeIsAll Freetstyle battling is not a determinant for whether or not someone is a proponent of Hip Hop. Again you are coming with mainstream "8 Mile" sensibilities at this. I don't know what grime you've been listening, to but there were/are many grime MCs that battled both freestyle/prewritten. Heck even Garage MCs (who are basically the ancestors of Grime ones) had the occasional freestyler. My age? Old enough to have attended block parties in the VERY early 80s in THIS country.
JayGriffinblaze 1 week ago
@KnowledgeIsAll Your knowledge is extensive yet you don't seem able to seperate the difference between Hip Hop and Mainstream Rap, by its conventions, requirements, aesthetics or practitioners let alone how they relate to the original debate. Yeah. Extensive in a 'Guardian' newspaper sort of way. Extensive for a mainstreamer maybe. Nothing to do with god or bad hip hop. You AREN'T hip hop without any of the elements. Prof Green barely manages one.
JayGriffinblaze 1 week ago
@JayGriffinblaze So you are the authority on what can classify as hiphop now are you? The minute something goes mainstream it is no longer hiphop? Who are you, the genre police? Please point me to an example of three freestyle battles between grime emcees on Youtube. 'You aren't hiphop without any of the elements'- is rap not an element of hiphop now??
KnowledgeIsAll 1 week ago
@KnowledgeIsAll I'm not an authority (without needing to go into my connections) apart from being one of the 1st generations to experience, grow up with & help BUILD the scene in THIS country, before Capital Radio, Tim Westwood, Radio 1, Choice FM, 1Xtra even considered getting involved. but if you knew anything about Hip Hop you would know the answer to your mainstream question is yes - If it follows the conventions of a DIFFERENT sub-genre.
JayGriffinblaze 1 week ago
@KnowledgeIsAll "The minute something goes mainstream it is no longer hiphop?" If I have to explain this to u, then you are too young/mainstream to understand. Circa late 80s the Rap subgenre emerges out of the crossover appeal of Gangster Rap/party Rap. That & the fact that it was being bought in greater numbers by white suburban kids led to a situation where the Big 6 started buying up all labels/artists & only promoting those that fit a certain mould -
JayGriffinblaze 1 week ago
@JayGriffinblaze the trends for gangster lyrics/exaggerrated braggadoccio/affluence display/sexual explicit focus etc (e.g. trace these artists: 2 Live Crew - Luke Campbell - Master P - Juvenile - Hot Boyz - Lil Wayne) & a host of things that have become synonymous with what most people think is 'Rap'. Combined with monopoly of the radio stations & introduction of playlisting. everything you hear on most media since 2000 (building since 1987) is Rap, not Hip Hop.
JayGriffinblaze 1 week ago
@JayGriffinblaze so gangster/barggadocio/affluence display/sex raps aren't hiphop then? So are Big Daddy Kane, Kool G Rap, LL Cool J, Run DMC, Heltah Skeltah, Wu-Tang Clan, Redman, Schooly D, KRS-1, Big Pun, Notorious Big, Nas, etc. not hiphop then?
KnowledgeIsAll 1 week ago
@KnowledgeIsAll I think you're either young or deliberately obtuse if you can't distinguish the braggadoccio of BDK era from current. Or Affluence display of Slick Rick/Kool Moe Dee from Lil Wayne et al. And none of the artists you mentioned were gangster rappers, neither did they make music in the Gangsta Rap category. Also all these artists you mentioned HAD SKILLS. Lyricism. Unless u seriously want to compare Nas (1st album to Nas now?)
JayGriffinblaze 1 week ago
@JayGriffinblaze What so Kool G Rap, Notorious Big and Big Pun weren't gangster rappers??? 99.9% of thier content is talking about guns/drugs/crime. What is your definition of a gangster rapper then?? I'm not debating the skill of the artists, I am debating the content, which is what we were talking about.
KnowledgeIsAll 1 day ago
@JayGriffinblaze It's funny because I thought the genre of 'rap' could be traced back to the early '80s with songs like Felix and Jarvis' 'Flamethrower Rap'. But then again what do I know? I've never had my own internet radio show...
KnowledgeIsAll 1 week ago
@KnowledgeIsAll Yes it can be traced back to the early 80s (if you've read what I've said you would see that) U would also have seen that the distinctions were blurred in the early days because there was no mainstream involvement. Once that changed circa 1987 there has been a definite schism/split between Rap and Hip Hop (not one imposed by disgruntled Hip Hop followers), which is why many do not recognise the difference. Counter my arguments with relevant imput please.
JayGriffinblaze 1 week ago
@JayGriffinblaze You may want to redefine the definitions of rap and hip-hop but to 99.9999999% of the population, they are one and the same. To the other 0.000001% who want to be pedantic, rap is part of hiphop culture.
KnowledgeIsAll 1 day ago
@KnowledgeIsAll genre police?lol I was a presenter on 1 of the 1st internet radio stations in the UK in the early 90s. I've followed the music/culture since the late 70s, I've attended MANY concerts/clubs/showcases (in the days when it wasn't well known & noone catered for it/government legislated against it etc) My collection numbers in the 10000s, I don't even need to mention who I know/connected to/how let alone what I've done, any1 that's been immersed in the culture would/should know this
JayGriffinblaze 1 week ago
@JayGriffinblaze You presented an internet radio show- sorry mr big timer, I bow down to your superior knowledge.
KnowledgeIsAll 1 week ago
@KnowledgeIsAll As I said, present5ing 1 of the 1st net radio shows wasn't anything major as I stated when I said it. You seem to think that without YT to observe it no other trends, occurrences, conventions could have possibly dictated or infleunced the way hip hop & rap have developed in this country.
JayGriffinblaze 1 week ago
@KnowledgeIsAll U want an example of Grime freestyle battles? LOL You are young, if you can't picture a time before Youtube! lol 1.) I don't follow Grime I think it's an awful/creativity absent form of music used by yoof to pretend to be 'down' at best and poor imitation of an already existing culture marketed as the "sound of Urban British Youth" in order to circumvent/undermine the real talent/opposition to those that decide who plays what/where at worst
JayGriffinblaze 1 week ago
@JayGriffinblaze So basically you can't name a single video where this occurs. Considering you can find videos of practically anything in existence on YouTube, I think this quite accurately demonstrates that no (or negligibly few) grime emcees participate in freestyle battles. And aren't you a bit old to be championing a genre of music? You sound like a teenager attempting to justify the worth of his music choice to his parents.
KnowledgeIsAll 1 week ago
@KnowledgeIsAll whatever dude. I'm sure they exist, I'm just saying I lack the inclination or desire to strat trawling throughvids looking for Grime artists - when I think the Genre is rubbish anyway. That doesn't mean to say in the early days there were no freestylers, just not in the same vein as HipHop ones, which wasn't even what we were talking about in the 1st place, but jump on that if u want.
JayGriffinblaze 1 week ago
@JayGriffinblaze So you can't find them (or it would be so incredibly difficult to do so that yoy won't)
KnowledgeIsAll 1 day ago
@KnowledgeIsAll Old to champion Hip Hop? Not really. If you know anything about Hip Hop, you'd know it was a culture, not just a genre of music.
JayGriffinblaze 1 week ago
@KnowledgeIsAll Son, in trying to explain to u what the music scene might have been like BEFORE the YT era started making ppl like urself only believe that things may have only existed if someone recorded it onto a medium that has only been around since 2005, maybe u could picture a time when ppl emceed on street corners, in stairwells, at grubby student bars & open mic nights in dead pubs noone wanted to go into or didn't have door policies at, where GRIME freestylers may have plied their trade
JayGriffinblaze 1 week ago
@KnowledgeIsAll and finally - "RAPPING" is an element of Hip Hop - NOT RAP. Rapping - the verb, not the noun that is, still has conventions, aesthetics, requirements, objectives etc which an emcee is required to follow in order to BE Hip Hop. For example, Cab Calloway jived, scatted & rapped - would you say he was a rapper? If ure that confident, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE go on the KRS-1/Roots/REAL Hip Hop vids and say what u said to me about Prof Green there and get laughed out the room!
JayGriffinblaze 1 week ago
@JayGriffinblaze Oh coz there's a big difference between rapping and rap??? I smell a pedant...
What you are basically saying is that real 'hiphop' is anything that you personally like and give your seal of approval to.
KnowledgeIsAll 1 week ago
@KnowledgeIsAll Yes there is a big difference. One is something you do, the other is a multi-billion dollar business controlled and manipulated by The Big 6 record labels.
Your contention is the classic defence a mainstreamer has. Been around for decades so u aren't the 1st to make it. "Boo hoo they are dismissing what we think we know about Hip Hop/Rap so the only way to balance the argument is to attack them, not the evidence/argument they are contending with"
JayGriffinblaze 1 week ago
@JayGriffinblaze Rap can also be something to do. That's like saying there's a huge difference between being a singer and singing. I don't know why you keep referring to me as a 'mainstreamer'. I listen to a lot of underground hiphop, as well as lots of other forms of music.
KnowledgeIsAll 1 day ago
@KnowledgeIsAll Hey,are u that Mike idiot from the Guardian newspaper that wrote the "The History of Hip Hop and R&B" special last year? cuz he got blasted on his own article 4 saying what u have.
JayGriffinblaze 1 week ago
@JayGriffinblaze I have no idea who that is.
KnowledgeIsAll 1 week ago
why would anyone care what this sub human has to say when compared to an intelligent historian?
brianspost75 1 month ago
@brianspost75 what one like David Starkey maybe - who can't even give a non-biased non royalist view of his own specialism of Tudor history? Laughable.
JayGriffinblaze 1 month ago
@JayGriffinblaze There's a difference between giving a biased viewpoint and completely making things up...
KnowledgeIsAll 2 weeks ago
true
bklynlaw22 1 month ago
It's amazing how racists/atheists can not handle the fact that Islamic Spain was responsible for the white man's enlightenment.
"Muslims are backward people, how can they enlighten us highly sophisticated and intellectually advanced, avant-garde super-apes?!"
The wonders of self-conceit.
DrKildem 1 month ago
@DrKildem I don't think Muslims r backwards with regards to their history of invention. They r just backwards nowadays bcoz of they run their countries according to outdated religious traditions. That said, they were in no way responsible for the 'white man''s enlightenment as literallly nothing that Nabil mentions in this video was brought to Europe by the Moors- they all previously existed in Europe. I love how people think something is 'fact' because a comedian says it on Youtube...
KnowledgeIsAll 1 month ago
@KnowledgeIsAll Religion does not hinder science. The enlightenment period for the muslims was when the caliph was established! Where's the caliph now? Yes the Moors were responsible for the white man's enlightenment as was science from the muslims in building the foundations for you. The west has made great advancements thanks to the building blocks given to you by muslims. There is nothing more I can say if you are too self-conceited to admit it.
DrKildem 1 month ago
@DrKildem Yes it does. The belief in something on account of 'faith' (which basically means believing in things regardless of whether there is any evidence or not) is directly opposed to science, which relies on proof. And things that are written in a book don't count as proof. And no it's not a result of conceit, it's a result of literally everything that Nabil claims that the Moors brought to Europe had existed there for hundreds of years. Cross check it yourself if you dont believe me.
KnowledgeIsAll 1 month ago
@KnowledgeIsAll Just because some people maintain things happened one way does not mean that was that way, or that it had always been that way. Nabil is wrong about some things in the Moorish period. He's also misinformed about the whole of Europe, when in fact influences were a combined number of factors and were not uniform in all parts. That does not mean that the Moors never contributed. I refer u to the work of Bethany Hughes as one example of a White Historian that disagrees with you.
JayGriffinblaze 1 month ago
@JayGriffinblaze My argument isn't whether the Moors contributed, it's more a general annoyance at the fact that in literally all of Nabil's videos he invents things and people hang off his every word. And also the hypocrisy of supposedly speaking out against racism but saying that whithout black people white people would be living in caves and wouldn't know how to wash themselves!!! I don't agree with David Starkey I think he's an idiot but I also think Nabil is.
KnowledgeIsAll 1 month ago
@KnowledgeIsAll It annoys me too. Both ways - the prejudiced/ignorant Black ppl that absorb the comment as literal & don't actually go & research the history themselves, yet claim to know the coup, and the White/Asian/Other that naturally take offence to the dismissal of their culture & ignore the fact that the evidence maintains there is an issue brushing under the carpet or using the same old sterotypes to explain will just not solve. I think u need to look a lil deeper into what he's saying.
JayGriffinblaze 1 month ago
@JayGriffinblaze I understand fully what he says and agree with him about David Starkey, who is also an idiot, but it doesn't negate the hypocrisy of him criticizing one racist whilst using racist mistruths to illustrate his point,
KnowledgeIsAll 1 month ago
@KnowledgeIsAll The only thing you could maintain as an untruth is the Astrology to Medieval Europe - and as I've said, I think he meant Astronomy which is true as I've said already. Most stars in the sky still have the names Muslims gave, acquired each time jerusalem/Antioch, Acre etc were sacked. The running water comment is also partly true. You talk like Roman Civilization was maintained unbroken from 400CE in ALL of Europe when it wasn't.
JayGriffinblaze 1 month ago
@JayGriffinblaze The running water comment is not at all true in any way, shape or form and nor is the teaching white people hygiene or us beating ourselves over the head with clubs. But that's a joke, right? That's like me saying, 'Black people still be eating each other if it wasn't for the white man' and then saying that it was a joke.
KnowledgeIsAll 4 weeks ago
@KnowledgeIsAll I'm sorry but in parts of Europe it WAS true for the period we are talking about. It wasn't all Camelot prsietiness and Hollywood Chivalric Knights everywhere. Not every Feudal Lord was benign, not every King was monarch of swathes of green & pleasant lands. Famine, Plague, in fighting, tribalism, war, Catholicism and fundamentalism kept many parts of Europe in worse condition that was even Pre-Roman times. Britain wasn't backward, but parts of Southern France/Dacia eg were
JayGriffinblaze 3 weeks ago
@JayGriffinblaze For example - there is plenty of material that will show you the conditions of London before the Great Fire of 1666. Or the original London Bridge of the Early Tudor period. Hygeine definitely wasn't high in priorities, hence Christopher Wren's reconstruction of London.
JayGriffinblaze 3 weeks ago
@KnowledgeIsAll Knowledge but many people still maintain that fallacy today! In fact there are many many cases during the period and up to recent times when cannibalism happened in Europe or in their colonies. The Cannibalistic African tribes in all history number on one hand! I've already given u my opinions on the hygiene/caveman comments in agreement with u, u still haven't addressed all the other stuff I've put to you.
JayGriffinblaze 3 weeks ago
@KnowledgeIsAll dude, Nabil is a Comedian. Bill Hicks said a lot of stuff that was funny and true as hell and offended a LOT of people, as did Pryor, or Chris Rock, or MANY OTHERS and those people used the sarcasm/irony/comedy in the subject matter to help ppl THINK about it and that includes by outrageous statements.Frankie Boyle? Doesn't mean for u to hang on every word, Black or White - 1 gets defensive from the backlash & the other gets empowered by the tit for tat. Gotta look a lil deeper.
JayGriffinblaze 1 month ago
@JayGriffinblaze So you are telling me that the statements that Nabil made about the Moors bringing astrology and running water to white people are a deliberately outrageous statement intended to be a joke??? If so erm yeah funny. He is trying to be an 'intellectual' comedian a la Michael Moore, which is what I find so incredibly annoying and smug about him because literally every 'fact' he quotes in every video is wrong. Also are you a fan of Bernard Manning or Roy Chubby Brown then??
KnowledgeIsAll 1 month ago
@KnowledgeIsAll I think you're being deliberately obtuse. He's trying to expose the hypocrisy of such statements I think. So what he said Astrology when he should have said astronomy, or didn't say running water to some parts of Europe that had tech/civilization reduced to peasant subsistence. The point is that it is in part true. The fact that it is means there's an issue with perception - a direct consequence of racism. U only mention the same 2 things as being wrong. What else was wrong?
JayGriffinblaze 1 month ago
@JayGriffinblaze He said they brought running water to white people, not to ' some parts of Europe that had tech/civilization reduced to peasant subsistence' and he also said black people taught us to wash ourselves and that we were bashing each other over the head with clubs until the black man came along. He also says that black people are 'the most accepting culture' at the end, which is a) arrogant and b) a fucking joke.
KnowledgeIsAll 4 weeks ago
@KnowledgeIsAll"'the most accepting culture' at the end, which is a) arrogant and b) a fucking joke."
Not arrogant if you look at Black ppl's incorporation of and coexistence with foreigners on the whole when contact was made with other peoples. Even Egypt didn't attack the Hyksos until they had attacked first. Wasn'treally the same the other way around. There are 100s of examples. That doesn't mean to say there aren't racists/seperatists amongst them.It doesn't mean that others are not
JayGriffinblaze 3 weeks ago
@JayGriffinblaze He uses it in a modern rather than a historical context, complete with examples from the contemporary world.
KnowledgeIsAll 2 weeks ago
@KnowledgeIsAll Big difference between Bernard Manning, Roy Brown and what this guy does. He certainly doesn't go around telling Englishman/Paki/Jamaican bloke jokes now does he. You're supposed to have a black gf. Are you for real? Where's your missus from? Bedfordshire?
JayGriffinblaze 1 month ago
@JayGriffinblaze No he tells white jokes- saying that they would be beating themselves over the head with caves and wouldn't understand hygiene if it wasn't for the black man, which you yourself have said is 'just a joke'. It's exactly the same as Chubby Brown and Manning and probably on a par humour wise, as in cringeworthily unfunny.
KnowledgeIsAll 4 weeks ago
@KnowledgeIsAll probably can't disagree with the caveman/hygeine comment equating to Manning Jungle bunnies in mud huts material at a basic level, but he's not speaking in an entertainment capacity when commenting here. Besides part of the statement we take issue with is true. It doesn't automatically dismiss everything else that has merit if you choose to look above the literal level.
JayGriffinblaze 3 weeks ago
@JayGriffinblaze I agree with part of what he says. Just not the blatantly fabricated parts. The hypocrisy also undermines his entire message.
KnowledgeIsAll 2 weeks ago
@JayGriffinblaze For the record I don't really agree with Frankie Boyle either. Making jokes about celebrities' disabled kids isn't really that funny...
KnowledgeIsAll 4 weeks ago
@KnowledgeIsAll no it's not, but there's a lot of what Frankie says that holds weight, extreme it may be. Every comedian should have limits, but to suggest that they can offend for offending sake is unacceptable I'm sure we can agree. I don't think that's what Nabil is doing or Boyle. Manning etc just didn't care, which is a greater problem than exaggerating the truth/elaborating truths which offends some people, ignoring the gaping truths in the rest of what's said.
JayGriffinblaze 3 weeks ago
@JayGriffinblaze Nabil appears not to care about any race other than black, just as Manning doesn't care about any race other than white in your opinion in his comedy. He makes a lot of equally racist stereotyping jokes and is of about the same level of comedy.
KnowledgeIsAll 2 weeks ago
@KnowledgeIsAll I do not want this to turn into a theist/atheist debate. No atheist will admit he is too proud or that he loves this world too much to submit to his creator. To admit this is clearly shameful, in the same way no racist will admit to being racist. I am sure Hitler would not have admitted that he was racist. This 'scientific proof' argument is a smokescreen just like Hitler calling his regime 'National Socialism' instead of the racism which it was. Smokescreens.
DrKildem 1 month ago
@DrKildem I think plenty of racists admit to being racists- the KKK don't really seem to refute it very much!!! And the Hitler comment is priceless. Do you think race-related policies were the sole component of national socialism?? I think Hitler as much of a self-confessed racist as you can get!! Your comments about religion are just about as ridiculous as can be and don't even merit a reply.
KnowledgeIsAll 4 weeks ago
@KnowledgeIsAll 99% of racists do NOT admit to being racist so they might describe it using different words. It's a typical ploy. Atheism is about as ridiculous as can be from all spheres in life and does not merit a reply.
DrKildem 4 weeks ago
@DrKildem Yes Hitler didn't admit to being racist?????? What fucking planet are you on? I don't think atheism wants a reply either?????? It's not asking you anything...
KnowledgeIsAll 2 weeks ago
@KnowledgeIsAll The point is that atheist asking for the proof of God is a smokescreen to hide the fact that they
1) Love this life too much to submit to their creator
2) Are too prideful to do so.
It is a fact that 99% of racists do not admit it rather they sugarcoat their language to hide their true and ghastly inner convictions......quite reminiscent to atheists.
DrKildem 2 weeks ago
@DrKildem 1) You cant be reminiscent to something??? I have no idea wot u r even trying to say here.
2) askin for proof is a smokescreen???? yet again, that doesn't even merit a reply. Theres little point tryin to change the opinion of somebody who has the mental capacity of a rock
3) Although what you are saying with regards to racists has some truth in it, don't you think Hitler was a pretty fucking bad example, seeing as he is possibly the most outspoken advocate of racism in history???
KnowledgeIsAll 2 weeks ago
@KnowledgeIsAll Racists hiding their inner convictions by using smokescreen is reminiscent to atheist hiding their inner convictions. What do you not understand?
I agree, there is very little point in trying to change the opinion of someone with the mental capacity of a rock....which is why I don't bother debate atheists. An intelligent person is satisfied with a good reason. The fool wants proof. I do not bother with your type. Ignorance of God is bliss, I'll leave you to it then.
DrKildem 2 weeks ago
@DrKildem 'What do you not understand'-well wot u have said doesn't even make grammatical sense for a start. Any1 that says that things are 'reminiscent to' things and says that they don't 'debate atheists' can hardly accuse anybody else of being stupid, can they now? 'an intelligent person is satisfied with a good reason, a fool wants proof'- thats the most moronic thing I ever heard.Wot ur essentialy sayin is smart ppl take anythin theyr told as gospel whereas stupid people question things.
KnowledgeIsAll 1 week ago
@KnowledgeIsAll Look up what reminiscent means: something which reminds you of something else. You don't understand anything of what I told you. I hope you enjoy the rest of your meaningless life.
DrKildem 1 week ago
@DrKildem actually what Knowledge is saying to you is correct. Your statement didn't make sense. And you can never be "reminiscent TO" something, that's poor grammar. You can be talking about something being "Reminiscent OF" something else meaning it reminds you or is akin to whatever it is you're likening it to. 2 Bob.
JayGriffinblaze 1 week ago
@JayGriffinblaze I hear you, Jay, but the question is: is a preposition really worth making a whole new issue out of, whilst avoiding the ACTUAL issue at hand? The original point is that atheist will not reveal their true inner convictions, the same way racists don't. The issue is not about "of" or "to", these are easy slip ups to make and not worth partying over. I wonder if my point struck a raw nerve in him that he had to digress? The truth usually does.
DrKildem 1 week ago 2
you went in like a dimple!!! and you spoke the truth.bigs up to for defending our race
sheronebritish 1 month ago
the "like" button is not sufficient!!!! You went hard my Brotha!!!!
AquilaChe 1 month ago
@oroge erm where did I say he's trying to be a gangster???? Are you replying to the same person??
KnowledgeIsAll 1 month ago
@KnowledgeIsAll right person even
KnowledgeIsAll 1 month ago
i remmeber this pusyyyyy i used to go to his schoool....you used to get bullied like maaaaaaad jheeeze its good to see your doin something and havent comitted suicide bro...shiiit really suprising man bro forgive me for making you strip naked once in front of everyone...but they were old days ofcourse we can forget that
TheMrMuzzle 1 month ago
Frank Bruno comment was the perfect ending!! Thank you mate, you are witty :)
DODODADATUMTEETAAA 1 month ago
keep up the charisma...the intelligence and the passion brother. Doing us proud...you'l get loads of racial hate comments, but these boils down to insecurities, inadequaties, ignorance. Keep on keeping on.
fusionorloosion 1 month ago
@fusionorloosion No it boils down to the fact that virtually every single 'fact' that he states about the Moors is plucked out of thin air, which is pretty obviously going to rub people up the wrong way...
KnowledgeIsAll 1 month ago
most of the "facts" this guy is saying are bullshit,the moors were coming to europe and taking whole villages of people for slaves long before the european slave trade,there are more slaves in africa now than at any other time in history there are no white rulers in africa,the last country to abolish slavery was an african country, mali in 2001.english people weren't "hitting each other with clubs" at the time of the moors we were defeating the armada and of coarse reading shakspeare.moors =arab
TheNoonwah 1 month ago
@TheNoonwah Yes this is exactly my gripe. You can't rewrite history to fit a racial agenda. Nearly every 'fact', especially regarding things that the Moors have supposedly brought to Europe, is plucked out of thin air. The fact that black people on here are praising this guy as an intellectual simply because he is the same colour as them is pretty worrying.
KnowledgeIsAll 1 month ago
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@KnowledgeIsAll "You can't rewrite history to fit a racial agenda. Nearly every 'fact', especially regarding things that the Moors have supposedly brought to Europe, is plucked out of thin air"
How is that different from the European interpretation of historical events, not just in Al-Andalus? It is well known European traditions of chivalry & castle building were as a direct result of Moorish dissemination of these cultural aesthetics in europe. go and read up on your Charlemagne.
JayGriffinblaze 1 month ago
@JayGriffinblaze It's not different at all. You think that's somehow connected with me because I'm white??? Maybe you should start hanging out with Diane Abbot...
KnowledgeIsAll 1 month ago
@KnowledgeIsAll what is connected with you? What has you being white got to do with it? I was just correcting your historical inaccuracies. Diane Abbott is as bad as the "posh white boys" she criticizes and doesn't speak for me. I doubt many educated/intelligent/fair minded Black people think she speaks for them either. Get some perspective.
JayGriffinblaze 1 month ago
@JayGriffinblaze You were correcting my historical innacuracies by saying "How is that different from the European interpretation of historical events" but yet you think that has nothing to do with me being white? This is precisely my point. How are historical inaccuracies perpetuated by somebody who just happens to be the same colour as me in any way MY historical innacuracies??? The racial hypocrisy of some black people will never fail to astound me.
KnowledgeIsAll 1 month ago
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@KnowledgeIsAll ""How is that different from the European interpretation of historical events" but yet you think that has nothing to do with me being white?" No that was in direct response to your accusation that Black people reinterpret history to suit a racial agenda. I was trying to show you that Europeans are masters at that and it is no different from your claims. It is YOUR historical inaccuracy if u perpetuate inaccuracies/sometimes fallacies that have been engendered through the ages
JayGriffinblaze 1 month ago
@JayGriffinblaze Which of my claims do this? Please point me to one. I also didn't say that black people reinterpret things to fit an agenda, I said that this is what Nabil has done. You seem to find it hard to differentiate between individuals and the entire race that they belong to.
KnowledgeIsAll 1 month ago
@JayGriffinblaze so castle building and the code of chivlary also encompasses astrology and running water does it? Also Europeans started building castles in 2 bc, which is way before they had any contact with the Moors.
KnowledgeIsAll 1 month ago
@KnowledgeIsAll I think you're being deliberately obtuse. Astrology? Running water? what? Please tell me where this 2BCE European Castle was - bearing mind a Hill-fort is not a true castle, neither are Mottes & Baileys (Norman anyway so no), and neither are city walls/fortifications such as at Constantinople? The earilest castles I'm aware of were the 1 in Gibraltar started in the 8thC by the Moors, & the Doue-La-Fontaine near Anjou in 950 made from stone as far as I know
JayGriffinblaze 1 month ago
@JayGriffinblaze I'm not being obtuse I'm just pointing out that none of the claims that are being made are actually true!! The earliest castle in Europe with outer walls made of stone was the Palace of Tiryns which was built a few hundred years BC I do believe.
KnowledgeIsAll 1 month ago
@TheNoonwah Your knowledge of history is a bit skewered if you think England was defeating the Spanish Armada & watching Shakepeare plays (they weren't read widely until later) during Al-Andalusian period. The Fall of Granada happened in 1492, when Isabella I & Ferdinand II defeated Emir Muhammed XII (Boabdil). Shakespeare wasn't even born until 1564 & never released a play until mid 1580s, & the defeat ofthe Spanish armada was 1588. Moors conquered Iberia in 7thC during European Dark Ages.
JayGriffinblaze 1 month ago
@JayGriffinblaze Not too sure about the Spanish Armada, etc. (well I am actually and they are wrong) but the Moors came on the scene in 700 AD. The romans invented running water pipes in 50 AD and astonomy had already existed for 2000 years by that point. To say that white people were bashing themselves over their heads at this point is racist and ignorant to say the least.
KnowledgeIsAll 1 month ago
@KnowledgeIsAll Well if u aren't sure abt the Spanish Armada & can't be bothered to look it up, take it from someone that KNOWS. I assure u, u are out by a century. as for the Moors. First reconaissance on invitation from turncoat Visigoth Count Julian with 500 soldiers was in 710 at Tarifa port(from which we get the word tariff for the tax that was imposed here). The 1st major wave landed in Iberia with 6,700 soldiers/300 Arab translators in 711 at Gebel Tarik (from which we get Gibraltar).
JayGriffinblaze 1 month ago
@JayGriffinblaze I am sure about the Spanish Armada I was being facetious- read the part in brackets- the 'they are wrong' in reference to the facts that Noonwah said is a little bit of a clue. Funny how you fail to mention anything else in that post, for example the fact that every single historical fact that Nabil has cited is plucked from out of thin air.
KnowledgeIsAll 1 month ago
@KnowledgeIsAll u didn't indicate that the "they" was in reference to Noonwah's inaccuracies on the timeline so u can attempt to be facetious, but the statement didn't make sense, which was why I questioned it.
Damn I did respond, was tied thought I'd got my response to the running water post through the funny letter nonsense u have to do after u've posted more than 1 comment. I'll try and recall what I wrote.
JayGriffinblaze 1 month ago
@JayGriffinblaze No gotta admit it was a bit ambiguous. Yeah the funny letter nonsense is annoying!!
KnowledgeIsAll 1 month ago
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@KnowledgeIsAll "Not too sure about the Spanish Armada" -
As I've said twice already I am - July 1588.
"Moors came on the scene in 700CE"
I've outlined already - scout mission 710CE. 1st wave - 711CE. NOT 700CE. Bear in mind the Moors pre-date Islam by about 300yrs!
"romans invented running water pipes in 50 AD" - Not true. King Minos of Crete had 1 in his palace at Knossos at least 750yrs earlier than that, as did the rest of the Mycaenaean Greeks. Han Chinese also - 264BCE
JayGriffinblaze 1 month ago
@JayGriffinblaze and that was at least 550yrs earlier during his reign. Your statement about Romans 'inventing' this in 50AD links with my earlier comment about European re-interpretation of history, to suit the Empire they have over centuries sought most to identify with, themselves guilty of whitewashing history to suit (of course they aren't alone in this b4 u bust my balls!) But it's just not true to attribute everything to the romans who were mostly magpies, like the English have been.
JayGriffinblaze 1 month ago
@JayGriffinblaze the goverment will not do nothing about it the only people who will do something is the BNP blacks and muslim think they can get away with everything well in needs to stop
blacklion90000 1 month ago
@blacklion90000 Can you really imagine the country being a good place to live if the BNP ever somehow got into power??? You have to surely admit that they don't seem the brightest bunch of people even if you completely ignore the immorality of their policies.
KnowledgeIsAll 1 month ago
@KnowledgeIsAll one day the BNP will get in to power and i think it will be better there will be more jobs for english people but all they want to do is make brition great again but first you have to get rid off all of the fucking muslims and black people like the one making this vid
blacklion90000 1 month ago
@blacklion90000 It will be fucking terrible. I personally disagree with thier race-based policies but even if you ignore them, all of thier other policies are stupid and poorly thought out as well and thier party is made up of people with criminal records and rife with corruption.
KnowledgeIsAll 1 month ago
@KnowledgeIsAll well this country has to much poeple in it that from people from other countrys coming over here the BNP will sort this out and it dont matter if you have a criminal record that dont make you a bad person any most people these days have a criminal record
blacklion90000 1 month ago
@blacklion90000 I think the types of things that they have criminal records for does make them bad people, for instance the loyalist extremists to which they have ties
KnowledgeIsAll 1 month ago
@KnowledgeIsAllwhat about all the other MPs who where taking money just so they could get a duck house
blacklion90000 1 month ago
@blacklion90000 I think that pales into signifigance when compared to colluding with loyalist paramilitaries, the KKK and even Colnel Gadaffi, which the BNP have done (read up on it).
KnowledgeIsAll 1 month ago
@KnowledgeIsAll so do you like it when the muslims are burning the british flag or when they burn the poppies. they do that in are country , the country what we live in without the good english people they would not be here today and you what them to stay here.the white english people have to watch whatever they say just coz you could say something thats rasist something is wrong with that
blacklion90000 1 month ago
@blacklion90000 I disagree with the fact that black ppl can say whatever they like an white people arent allowed to express any opinion on race but that doesn't mean that we should all 'send 'em back' or whatever for the obvious reasons because even ignoring the blatant immorality of it it's completely impractical. And they have the right to burn poppies it's called freedom of speech. If you don't like freedom of speech then you and the Muslims in most Islamic countries have a lot in common...
KnowledgeIsAll 1 month ago
@JayGriffinblaze I'm not alone in this?? I don't think you can really peg me as being part of a process to wash blacks out of history, I've got far better things to do, such as argue on YouTube. Replace the word 'invented' with the word 'had'. The point was that they had running water way before the moors arrived.
KnowledgeIsAll 1 month ago
@JayGriffinblaze And just to add, my statement about the Romans inventing it can hardly be classed as white washing when the civilisation that you cite as having it the earliest was also a white civilisation.
KnowledgeIsAll 1 month ago
@KnowledgeIsAll Mycaenaean Greece was a White civilization (but I did not make this an issue about a Black or White civ having the tech first, YOU have) but I was directly challenging your statement that the ROMANS did it first. Besides, Mycaenaen Greece was a trading vassal of Egypt initially - hence Linear B which was the language they traded in, the ancestor of Linear A. That notwithstanding, white, Black, Chinese or Babylonian, others still had it BEFORE the Romans, ur contention.
JayGriffinblaze 1 month ago
@JayGriffinblaze Okay replace the word 'invented' with 'had'. The point being they had running water a long time before they had contact with the Moors. And I don't think quibbling about 10 years is really that relevant. Whether the moors came on the scene in 710 ce or 700 ce doesn't make the blindest bit of difference to the fact that europeans had already had astrology and running water for a very long time
KnowledgeIsAll 1 month ago
@KnowledgeIsAll The babylonians under Nebuchadnezzar built the Hanging gardens, using the Archimedes screw tech to irrigate the gardens constantly on many levels. I think it's fair to say if they had this tech running water is an easy lateral step to make, even if it is just for the upper classes. As for the Egyptians, I haven't come across any evidence they had this tech, but since Keftiu (minoa.Crete) were at 1 time their subjects, it is safe to say they may have been aware of this tech too.
JayGriffinblaze 1 month ago
@JayGriffinblaze I don't think that it's 'fair to say' that somebody had running water because they had hanging gardens at all. I would say it's a peice of wild conjecture. It's like saying 'stone age man had fire so I think it's fair to say they probably had fire engines'.
KnowledgeIsAll 1 month ago
@KnowledgeIsAll Sorry I've been busy. Yes it is. It's typical of older archaeological/historical interpretation (less so nowadays tho) to omit technological achievements in order to highlight whichever acheivement threatens or challenges received knowledge.
Are you telling me that a civ that can erect irrigated gardens on multiple levels over 80ft above the ground conducting and transporting water from the Tigris/Euphrates cannot apply that tech laterally to something even more necessary?
JayGriffinblaze 1 month ago
@TheNoonwah The Moors you talk of were of mixed populations at different times over their 800 year rule. At the start they were Berbers (descendants of german Vandals from 3 centuries earlier that conquered N.Africa), then the Visigothic client kingdoms, & it wasn't until 732 Battle of Poitiers(Tours in N.France) they were held back. After this period there ws constant changing of hands btw Muslim/Chistian/mixed rulers & many waves of armies from fundamentals were raised from Arabia & Africa
JayGriffinblaze 1 month ago
@ Nabil.....The TRUTH is this: Who we TRUELY are (Gods and Goddesses) has ALL WAYS been a threat to the race who continuously oppose us....Only those who are threats become targets....The question is.....why has the BLACK RACE been such a threat to the oopposing race????????....Hey Nabil how can I contact you via email...????...x
TheDakiniGoddess 1 month ago
@TheDakiniGoddess I think if the majority of white people didn't want black people here then they wouldn't be here. There have been plenty of countries where a minority has been unwanted and they haven't insulted them on news shows, they have just massacred them. 300,000 ethnic Acholis slaughtered in Uganda is a good example. Racism is an unfortunate characteristic of human nature, irrespective of the race in power.
KnowledgeIsAll 1 month ago
I LOVE this VDO...The TRUTH may hurt first but it sure will set alot of imprisoned minds FREE after....Thank YOU for speaking UP and OUT....x
TheDakiniGoddess 1 month ago
@TheDakiniGoddess Aside from the fact that almost everything he has said is actually factually incorrect if you actually know anything about history, don't you think it is a bit hypocritical that he is criticizing colonialism whilst at the same time praising the Moors for supposedly civilising Europeans.... by colonising them and enslaving them. The Moors are estimated to have had over 1.25 million European and North American slaves. Hardly something to glorify... especially by a black person.
KnowledgeIsAll 1 month ago
@KnowledgeIsAll You are also doing the classic European thing when talking about slavery. There is a difference between the kind of slavery that was practiced in Africa (and in some ways still) pre-contact & the Arab/European version of chattel slavery. Since there was no word for the relationship between a servant and a master, Europeans equated it (with help from the Arabs) with reducing the slave to chattel, when before this the slave had rights & the master had obligations to the slave.
JayGriffinblaze 1 month ago
@JayGriffinblaze Oh there's a classic European thing is there? Because Slovenians act the same as the Polish, who in turn act like the Albanians. You want to look up Liberia. There is no difference between the type of slavery that went on there because black American freed slaves colonised it and enslaved the population using the exact same methods that had been used on them!! I don't think anybody is disputing that there is more than one type of slavery either.
KnowledgeIsAll 1 month ago
@KnowledgeIsAll You're making my point for me. You generalise. Much like Diane Abbott ironically. There IS a difference btw the type of slavery because that is the argument some ppl that come with ur argument make. The issue is POST contact, the nature of slavery changed from it's closest European equivalent of Indentured servitude (although nowhere near as bad as what the English did to Scots/Irish/Welshmen) to chattel slavery. If you cannot understand this vital difference then u are Diane.
JayGriffinblaze 1 month ago
@JayGriffinblaze I will repeat- the enslavement of the Liberians was conducted using the same methods that white people used on blacks in America because Liberia was colonized by black freed slaves. They used the EXACT SAME methods that had been used on them by the whites on the natives. I will also repeat- 'I don't think anybody is disputing that there is more than one type of slavery either'.
KnowledgeIsAll 1 month ago
@KnowledgeIsAll No it's not. 1.) The ACS controlled the Liberian senate up until 1964. It's founding fathers were racists for whom repatriation was a cheaper alternative to emancipation.
2.) The 'freed slaves' as u call them were subject to white governors, and after this time, used those methods in the name of their benefactors when they weren't.
3.) The fact that they used the same methods, endorsed, confirms the fact that the problem was created by the USA, not the freed slaves.
JayGriffinblaze 1 month ago
@JayGriffinblaze They could have very easily sided with the natives upon reaching Liberia and fought against the white oppressors. The reason they didn't was because they wanted power and slaves of their own...
KnowledgeIsAll 1 month ago
@KnowledgeIsAll They could've. But please give me an example of any people in any culture that started out from a position of subjugation, won emancipation and DIDN'T undergo a period when they became oppressors themselves? Sparta/Greece, Chin/Han dynasties, Mughals/Marathas, Great lakes Indians/others, countless African tribes to each other post colonial rule & before, S.American Republics/Indians/Mixed populations post Independence. U forge ur new nations from the models of ur masters.
JayGriffinblaze 1 month ago
@JayGriffinblaze Yeah that's why people are so fucking stupid. Somebody's nasty to them for years on end and the minute they get free of them, they take on the role themselves. I'm not saying black people are worse than any other race for this. Just all races have dark things in their history so to keep bringing them up is counterproductive.
KnowledgeIsAll 1 month ago
@KnowledgeIsAll they could have and you are exactly right, I could give many examples even up to the present day where Commonwealth nations have done just that. But you have to remember many of the ruling classes that run African countries even up till today since general independence circa 1960 are the same guys(or family through nepotism/corruption) that were responsible for liberation, the power bases are still the same pre-colonial one, the people are largely the same dudes!
JayGriffinblaze 1 month ago
@KnowledgeIsAll Fact is Moorish slavery/servitude whatever you want to call it did/does not have the impact on Europeans regardless of whether Moors were African, Arab, Visigoth, Spanish, berber or mixed that Chattel slavery had on Africans. That notwithstanding, Colonialism has even greater & worse impact than slavery did on the modern world today as we still live with its legacies. Any person that truly knows history of any extraction would know that much instinctively. Care to repost?
JayGriffinblaze 1 month ago