To every who is bashing black bloc tactics, do some research. The tactic isn't about just going around smashing and "vandalizing". the tactic also protects protesters/activists, also anti-arrest tactics. I my self was getting arrested at a protest and a few black members ran up and pushed the thugs off me and pulled me back to the protest line. The saved me so I take my hat off to the warriors of freedom!!
@DaSungandSoul1223 I bloc up sometimes... does that credential me to speak? I'm all for non-violence and peace. I favor the use of nonviolent black bloc tactics to improve safety and strategy of non-violent protesters, but I acknowledge the reality that the "law enforcement" is usually the aggressor, so I prepare myself and others to defend ourselves using whatever tactics are appropriate to that defence, even if it's just me standing between the cops and the non-violent ones.
I live in Greece and that seems to me like a joke. Get fucking serious. So you smacked a few windows. So? The police does not even take you seriously. A black block is more than just flaunting your ideology with flags and fire. Be organized. Secure the rest of the protest. Scare the police. Keep them away. Set banks on fire (not people). Clash with the cops. Fight them away. Hand out your own newspapers. Permanently occupy a building. Turn it into a center of arts and ideas. Help the people out.
@THCModule hell yes, we have great respect for you folks in Greece, and you're right...Hitting a wells fargo bank sign with a hammer does little, but we are slowly pulling together and starting to organize and integrate into our communities. Oakland is a great example. Black Bloc will not boast of their victories and feats via youtube and facebook for obvious reasons, so just because there isn't documented proof of us further organizing, doesn't mean it does not exist
This is just inciting violence, if everyone was convinced not to go to work for one day that would hit the corporatocracy where it hurts. It worked for Gandhi
I believe the government should be afraid of it's people, not the other way around, but how is hiding behind masks and destroying cities going to make that government take you seriously when you run around like a child throwing a tantrum?
appreciate the anarchism but seriously, do you think OWS is safe from being labeled terrorists, I bet Obamas just waiting for the right escuse to ennact those fema camps, just my 2cents.
If the Black Bloc only attack corporate businesses and not private family owned businesses, that's fine by me. I don't want innocent people to get hurt, innocent people to lose businesses, or anything like that. Have a goal. No to Anarchy. Yes to constitutional rebellion.
"I want you to be nice, until it's time to not be nice." - Patrick Swayze (Roadhouse)
Being nice (peaceful protest) has its place, and if it's sufficient, great. No need for violence or destruction if we're making progress without it. If the police are being cool, great. But when police are infiltrating and instigating, entrapping, using violence, throwing tear gas, firing rubber bullets, it's time to not be nice. We've been lucky in the U.S. Some places use deadly force. Expect it here.
"I want you to be nice, until it's time to not be nice." - Patrick Swayze (Roadhouse)
Being nice (peaceful protest) has its place, and if it's sufficient, great. No need for violence or destruction if we're making progress without it. If the police are being cool, great. But when police are infiltrating and instigating, entrapping, using violence, throwing tear gas, firing rubber bullets, it's time to not be nice. We've been lucky in the U.S. Some places use deadly force. Expect it here.
"I want you to be nice, until it's time to not be nice." - Patrick Swayze (Roadhouse)
Being nice (peaceful protest) has its place, and if it's sufficient, great. No need for violence or destruction if we're making progress without it. If the police are being cool, great. But when police are infiltrating and instigating, entrapping, using violence, throwing tear gas, firing rubber bullets, it's time to not be nice. We've been lucky in the U.S. Some places use deadly force. Expect it here.
"I want you to be nice, until it's time to not be nice." - Patrick Swayze (Roadhouse)
Being nice (peaceful protest) has its place, and if it's sufficient, great. No need for violence or destruction if we're making progress without it. If the police are being cool, great. But when police are infiltrating and instigating, entrapping, using violence, throwing tear gas, firing rubber bullets, it's time to not be nice. We've been lucky in the U.S. Some places use deadly force. Expect it here.
"I want you to be nice, until it's time to not be nice." - Patrick Swayze (Roadhouse)
Being nice (peaceful protest) has its place, and if it's sufficient, great. No need for violence or destruction if we're making progress without it. If the police are being cool, great. But when police are infiltrating and instigating, entrapping, using violence, throwing tear gas, firing rubber bullets, it's time to not be nice. We've been lucky in the U.S. Some places use deadly force. Expect it here.
the black bloc are keenly aware of the gross power that the bilderbergs and the NWO hold. In the end, standing up to the bully may be our only choice. ....... Unless peeps are comfortable with working their asses off for a cave and a car. Work all your life, that's about all you're gonna get out of it; if you're lucky
You can't beat capitalism by breaking its windows, and you can't beat the cops by throwing shit at them.
This is -not- the same as anarcho-syndicalism, which engages thousands and millions of workers in mass action to shut down and take over production. This is a small group of play-revolutionaries substituting themselves for the movement. Self-proclaimed "anti-authoritarians" imposing their will against the majority of the movement.
The cops don't fear you, they love you (and some -are- you!)
How is providing a service, (A bank account) so that people can keep their money somewhere and use a card and digitally over make transactions, oppressive? You are not required to do any business with WELLS FARGO. WELLS FARGO EMPLOYEES ARE NOT BEATING YOU WITH BATONS OR FORCING YOU TO DO ANYTHING.
@nottinmatterz2day the civil unrest around the world today is not simply about the convenience of digital banking. A global movement is growing, and not just in the US and the middle east. check it out!
@nottinmatterz2day excuse me... when the banks got bailed out with tax payers dollars and even after they avoided paying over 600 million in taxes in the span of 3 fiscal years... that is called robbery since wells fargo are one of the banks that created this problem in the first place. do not even think for a second that none of this is true. i suggest you look into economic affairs a little more closely than typing this ill informed bullshit.
Fair enough, but what you're really talking about then, is a call to arms. Which ain't happening. Because vandalism by a bunch of ill equipped, black clad clowns, whose goal is to "remind" everyone else that we have power, in the end, has the same effect as standing around protesting... none.
The reason the cops will ALWAYS beat you is because they are coordinated, equipped and have resources that you CANNOT match. Weapons and tight communication, trump vandalism. You skirmish, they advance.
See, Black Bloc isn't right for every protest. Many protests can really get work done just by general awareness. However, certain times black bloc is good.
The Blac Block are like rats infesting an area. They all try to acomplish their goal by eating away at everything - destroying property thinking that police are somehow supposed to be scared of them but all it takes is a bit more force before they start crying wolf and backing off. Not once have I spoken to an individual that is intelligent. I can name one too many movements that didn't use violence and were sucessfull. While all that the BB accomplish is being annoying flies for the police.
Our purpose is to keep resistance solidly anti-capitalist, uncompromising, total, and global. Let the capitalists have no quiet city. Let the forces of reform no longer use as silent foot soldiers. Let capitalism feel another blow. -Black Bloc Papers
Our purpose is to keep resistance solidly anti-capitalist, uncompromising, total, and global. Let the capitalists have no quiet city. Let the forces of reform no longer use as silent foot soldiers. Let capitalism feel another blow. -Black Bloc Papers
Our purpose is to keep resistance solidly anti-capitalist, uncompromising, total, and global. Let the capitalists have no quiet city. Let the forces of reform no longer use as silent foot soldiers. Let capitalism feel another blow. -Black Bloc Papers
-It could talk about agents provocateurs more in depth and how black bloc usually spot them and kick them out.
-Ultimately, how they are used as self-defense tactics against the police, the importance of UNARRESTING people, blockades, occupations, and debunk the argument of it allegedly causing more repression.
-Show police writings of them afraid of direct action.
-Black bloc tactics can be utilized as part of a greater strategy, such as shutting down the WTO, fascists, etc.
-Black bloc tactics are MORE than sabotage, direct actions, window smashing, etc.
-Doesn't give a historical perspective. This is all only US footage. It should say it came from the Antifa movement and Autonome movement in Germany, and highlight how large and effective black blocs have been utilized historically. It could give direct examples. -Black blocs eliminate the false "good protester vs bad protester" divide. Black blocs are meant to coordinate actions together w/ nonviolent protesters.
There's a time for peaceful protests and there's a time for revolution. If things don't change soon, revolution will sweep across the country and I'll gladly swim with the tide.
This is pathetic and so are the people supporting Blac Block. A lot of these kids don't know their history (or any for that matter) and destroy shit thinking its the solution because its the best way to be heard. They also managed to vandalize local restaurants. You have been heard and labeled as vandals. Fighting the police won't do anything, how about fighting the laws? Something that takes brains. It will never happen. You're all as useless as those you criticize.
Look, I'll be frank, because it sounds like you have never worked with anarchists/know anything about them.
Anarchists (including many black bloc'ers) are EVERYWHERE. We started Occupy Wall Street (article about it in Rolling Stone). We have been using the models to organize it for decades. We organized and run/are major components of many Occupy camps around the country, i.e. PDX, Oakland (read David Graeber's Guardian article). YOU need to learn your history. And anarchism.
@TRBtree I'm aware of what anarchy is, and this is not it. As for the occupy movement, it all started in Canada before it got through to USA in NY. As for history, no sir- a lot of these people seem ignorant of movements in general. The women's movement, homosexual movement and the african rights in USA movement did not use violence.
@finnsia Come on man the Black Panthers, the militant group that fought for civil rights back in the day, don't you have any sense of history? Both peaceful and militant groups worked together in every successful protest movement in history, I challenge you to find an exception to this. There isn't one. Especially not Gandhi, he had plenty of militant groups helping him and that aspect of India's past revolution has been largely IGNORED by system funded education programs
@NotQuiteLucid I wrote this earlier: those without any millitant groups (that are also fairly recenty) women's suffrage, women's rights, black rights, LGTBQ rights.
Waving your dumbass hippie signs gets your head kicked in anyway, so why not fuck their property up and make your message heard . Peaceful protests are over , the police will treat you all the same .
Quien hace imposible una Revolución pacífica, hará inevitable una Revolución violenta.
Si no estuvieramos hartos de tanta corrupción de la casta política y demás parásitos así como del atropello permitido a los bancos, y de las injusticias de esta mal llamada Democracia ni siquiera nos manifestariamos pacificamente, no haría falta.
When the SHEF we will not have to worry about law enforcement. Just look South of the border to Mexico. A very few drug runners has got the law enforcement down there so scared that they will not get out of stationhouse without the Army. If they hear a firecracker go off they will piss over their self. During Katrina the police did more looting than the criminals. Police are armed and and retarded and dangers because they are cowards.
@TheNerdYouCraveFor Learn your history. They have done a lot. When a bunch if ignorant hermone fueled kids (and they are for the most part) want to destroy shit. This is what happens. Peacefull protests have changed laws and changed the world.
@Eceoes Nawwhh i was exaggerating, im just saying when its a popo state i dont think they care about people sitting on sidewalks and standing on roads
@Twiggierjet yeah because spray paint and broken windows makes bank buildings cry...
you need to read more about non-violent protest.
Graffiti and the targeting of banks, government buildings and the homes of the those in power has been an effective and useful non-violent means of aiding movements across the world.
@TheAnonymouse777 I'm not saying it's not effective or that it should not be done, I'm saying that it's not really "non-violent" when the protesters in question are smashing windows.
@Twiggierjet Defacing and damaging government buildings and banks is not the same as lighting cars on fire. Up until the last comment you seemed to have a well thought out view.
@TheAnonymouse777 Alright, you have a point but defacing government or corporate buildings is still doing some damage(if you actually smash windows and stuff) and doing damage to anything, no matter how small it is or how much they deserve it, it is still not "non-violent". I'm not saying that you shouldn't do it, I'm just saying that you shouldn't call it "non-violent protest".
Quit with the stores and franchises, if you busted open the NYSE or Chicago Commodities Exchange and burnt it to the ground that'd do a whole lot more good ;-)
All I see is people breaking shit like retards thinking themselves pro and trying to compare themselves with people who are actually oppressed by real dictator to justify their mindless acts of anarchism. Kudos to those fighting off oppressing regime, and big freaking boo to those shamelessly using those courageous acts to give us shit like this.
@Myrdraall You must be a fucking retard, Blac Block is a sanction of "Earth Liberation Front" which was considered to be the biggest threat in America
For those judging anarchism in base to propaganda of it as per being a utopia, and only seeking destruction, please take a look to CNT anarcho-syndicalism. Anarchism is NO UTOPIA, at all. Destruction is not a goal, is a mean since status quo won’t permit freedom, and they are the ones using violence, this video, it’s just images of self-defense in action.
I see a bunch of kids running and breaking things now and again. Petty vandalism. If, on the other hand, these same kids went to the Bank of London or the Federal Reserve and did the same thing I'd have a shit ton more respect. But that's just me.
Bhagat Singh's revolution against British Rule which used violence arguably had more impact than Ghandi's non-cooperation movement of civil disobedience. Maybe people should read varying pieces of literature before telling other to read.
@nottinmatterz2day Only Anarcho-Primitists believe that we should go back to hunter-gatherer soceities. Read up on Anarcho capitilism and Anarcho syndicallism.
theyre children being used as agents provocateurs to legitimize crackdown on non-violent protest.
Black Block doesnt care what people are rallying on the streets for... they just wanna burn some cop cars (paid by our taxmoney) and smash insured frontwindows of mcdonalds and starbucks.
If they were Serious they would go for the top of the Pyramid in stead of causing damage to the lower part.
Very clever, using the trendiest type of music that the youth are into right now, Joseph Goebbels would be proud of you . These clowns are useful idiot's like the previous poster said and they fall in lockstep with the New World Order's "Order out of chaos" gameplan.
Violence and chaos is wanted, because it is NOT a solution for the ppl, it is the soloution for the criminals behind all the lies, fraud and crises. Violence is a well calculatet part of the big plan ;) You can see it how the police is equipet and reacts. You can see that how the Media is reporting on such topics. Stupid and useless violence is exactly what the NWO needs for the next steps. Its the way they can get out and install marshal law. If you are violent, you work 100% for them ;)
..i am not supporter of taking that kind of action myself - but i believe for real revolution to happen we need all movements - only that way we can find out the best strategy for winning this evil - I love black block guys - Respect
@bradleytank666 "I have been repeating over and over again that he who cannot protect himself or his nearest and dearest or their honour by non-violently facing death may and ought to do so by violently dealing with the oppressor" ~Gandhi
@rageunderground ""I have been repeating over and over again that he who cannot protect himself or his nearest and dearest or their honour by non-violently facing death may and ought to do so by violently dealing with the oppressor" ~Gandhi"
We both know that is nowhere near what that quote means.
You can easily tell when someone is simply talking shit when they are spouting crap like that.
@bradleytank666 Gandhi wrote letters of admiration to Adolf Hitler and helped the British to dominate Kashmir and abandoned his friends in Africa. He also stopped being a vegetarian in his later years, but continued to scold people for eating meat. Fuck Gandhi.
...all one need do is expose corporate falsity publicly and the share owners drop it like a bad liability
~two market correction in one, in the language of the bottom line. Anything that is traded as stock is instantly inflated in price, based on nothing; the pyramid crumbles quickly and those that funded it get a lesson in greed.
=no crime or bad example committed as it is just "telling it like it is" in the most ethical sense, that other's may make better informed choices going forward
I've seen black bloc also smash up Joe Schmoes small businesses. Not cool, and not empowering. I know exactly what these kids do. I used to be one. ; ) If they want to smash banks up, they need to go out on their own and do it. Doing it during a protest is a good way to get people tear gassed, and pepper sprayed.
800 years ago someone wouldve said that the world we live in is utopian. A world without direct slavery, where you get to vote in your leaders , and where everyone owns magical light boxes which they communicate with each other all around the world almost instantaneously. Yes governments and corporations are doing terrible things to billions of people but this is just another dark phase in the history of mankind
@Skorge729 Just another Dark phase in the history of mankind..? You are happy to just wait it out..? Seriously? I think this is pretty far from utopia: mass surveillence, puppet leaders, police state, debt slavery. Technological advancement is no replacement for Liberty, Freedom & Justice. It took centuries of fighting, civil war, violent protest, to achieve the rights we enjoy; sticking our heads in the sand whilst they chisel away at them is not the way to honour that memory.
@MetaReaLizard Compared to 800 years ago living in this country is utopia for sure. Their was also mass surveillence, puppet leaders, a police state, and real slavery then aswell but think of all the freedoms we enjoy now that people couldn't even imagine then. I'm just trying to point out that Anarchy is the future, its going to be here and no one can stop it. It isnt some type of utopian ideal either there will still be problems in the future but getting rid of the govt removes 80-95% of them
@MetaReaLizard Technological advancements are just like any other tool they can be used for good or evil. We are able to have this conversation because of the internet and there has never been a time where the masses could communicate with like minds like we do now. I also didnt mean to wait it out, we all need to be very active in exposes violence within the system because when the economic meltdown occurs lots of people are going to be pointing fingers in the wrong directions.
@Skorge729 I never said technological advancements aren't a useful tool that's beside the point. We are aware. people are very aware, they're incredibly aware of the corruption that isn't a problem. The problem is that the people who are in control don't give a shit about protests and flag waving. They don't give a shit about how informed you or I are of their fiendish plans. As long as we do as we are told, pay our taxes etc they don't give a shit. We must hit them were it hurts.
@MetaReaLizard Absolutely, many people own diet books so they have the education but many people remain the weight they were at when they bought it. So education alone is not the answer. You have to act on your principles such as not paying your taxes etc because they rely on violence. However doing this now is a purely suicidal idea, theres no way we can win now. We have to gather up enough people to actually defend ourselves from the predators when we refuse to go along with their system.
@MetaReaLizard And I do not mean we all just sit around singing kumbaya hoping the future will change. We need to constantly argue and point out the immorality of the system. We also need to raise children peacefully so they reject all violent hierarchial authority whenever they see it. The reality is that neither you or I will see a peacful world in our lifetime but that makes us all the more honorable in fighting for the freedom of future generations.
@Skorge729 Dude that hasn't worked it has been tried. It's not honourable at all it's an exercise in futility. It's just lip service and to be honest it would be better not to bother because all it does is make the cause look hopeless. They aren't interested in your ethics or morality... they don't care that it is immoral. Frankly I think it is a way of justifying cowardice and you should jsut step aside and be thankful that some people will fight on your behalf.
@MetaReaLizard Actually peaceful parenting hasnt ever been tried in history to change the world. Your next argument is that if you think something isnt going to work you should not bother doing it because it makes things look hopeless. Isnt not doing anything and just bitching online what makes the cause look hopeless? People totally care about ethics its the foundation of our soceity and the rulers use it by setting up rules for the masses and then excluding themselves from those rules.
@MetaReaLizard Also it really doesnt take much guts to show up at a protest and start smashing shit. Cowardice, is not confronting people about the immorality of the system because your afraid of how it will affect your social life. I have no problem pulling the trigger on people who come to hurt me or my family in self defense and would give my life for them. The same as when the time comes I will partake in third party self defense to defend the sheeple from the predators.
@MetaReaLizard Violence however has been used countless times and it ALWAYS fails. Somalia is a great example of how an "anarchic" country goes when it arrives through the overthrow of the state. Its chaos when no one has a philosophical understanding of what anarchy is. You want to use violence to overthrow the state but then what do you do when its gone? People will just create a new one because they have no idea why it was destroyed in the first place other then that people were pissed off
@Skorge729 Destroying property is not comparable to violence against human beings. All you are saying is exactly what you said before. You are just going to wait until the world thinks like you do... Let me give you a clue that day will never come, not just in your lifetime but just never. You may only be prepared to "pull the trigger" when it comes to you and your family... Some aren't quite so utilitarian and actually care about other people aswell.
@MetaReaLizard It is comparable, burning someones house to the ground isnt an act of violence against that family? I know we are talking about corporate property but the whole point of destroying property is to cause damage to the people who own it. Some of these corporations deserve it but I seriously question black blocs ability to always hit the right targets. I'm not waiting for anything, im making it happen, everyday I fight a war of ideas instead of bashing some shit up once every year.
@Skorge729 But this isn't burning someone's dwelling to the gorund is it..? It's the smashing of some windows of some corporate property. If you're so knowledgeable about what targets to hit why not get involved and have your say on what targets they should be hitting. You say you're not waiting but I have asked you before how are you going to get the oligarchs to relinquish control? It does not matter how many people you educate or enlighten in the end force will be required.
@MetaReaLizard I'm not knowledgeable about what targets to hit and neither does black bloc which is exactly my point. The "oligarchs" are not going to relinquish control which is why the people have to outgrow the state and not participate in it to get rid of it. "it does not matter how many...the end force will be required" is totally just your opinion. Youv'e provided no logically consistent answers and still have not yet answered how using force to topple the govt creates a free soceity.
@Skorge729 Let me give you another clue then if you don't know don't judge. What the hell are you talking about outgrow state? What meaningless hollow lip service. My logic is completely consistent:. The goal is not to create a free society overnight it is put an end to the current obsenities and take a step in the right direction... All I see from you is a vision of what you want and no consideration to the reality of where we are now and how that can be changed.
... at what point are you going to do this 3rd party defence? What will it take for you to make a stand against injustice and murder..? Have you ever even considered the question? The government of the country you live in is murdering people and you have latched onto an ideal that allows you to put your head in the sand and feel no guilt or shame... Now you want to tell other people who are trying to do something they are doing it wrong? They to should bury their heads?
@MetaReaLizard When the government attempts to disarm the population is my turning point personally. First news of that and its over. I do kind of understand what your saying though, your worried that i wont take a stand&the incremental loss of our freedoms will slide us into totalitarianism. Standing on your principles daily&changing peoples minds about the world they live in is not sticking your head in the sand. You choose violence, I choose reason&evidence. I'm simply pointing out the flaws
@MetaReaLizard Also you may not have read my comment where i stated that we are morally justified to use force against institutions who are oppressing us. I just simply dont think it will work. I'm all for people trying it except for the fact that whenever I talk to someone about Anarchy in person they immediately think of black bloc smashing up things and I have to clarify that not all Anarchists believe in that kind of thing. Minor inconvenience to me which isnt a problem at all.
@MetaReaLizard I can absolutely judge. One of the first reasons I accept Anarchy is because I know that i or any other group of individuals can not run the world. So what im saying is that no one knows the right buildings to hit when they get involved in a riot. They get tunnel vision and they start smashing everything, collateral damage happens. My goal is not to create a free soceity over night, my goal is to create a free soceity sooner than it would occur without me existing.
@MetaReaLizard Creating a mob which is going to use violence to end the current obsenities is not taking a step in the right direction. Its simply stating that might makes right. I completely understand the reality of the situation, there are millions dieing each day but throwing some rocks through some windows or hell even toppling the government tomarrow isnt going to solve any of those deaths if people dont know why it was toppled. New people will simply institute new governments to oppress
@Skorge729 Violence serves a purpose in showing government that we control them and will not stand by when we see others being beat down. blood for blood FUCK this standing around peacefully in the face of what is happening take it back or burn it down! Then if a new government trys this shit we will remind them also. A bloody revolution every 20 years or they forget we are in control!
@Skorge729 And I am saying if you completely understand that miillions are dying yet are going to wait because society isn't ready for your version of Anarchism then you are as guilty as the government who murders in your name. Before we even begin to debate political systems first we must be free of the oligarchy that oppresses us. The reality is that you are quite content to sit and discuss ideological pros and cons until it is you that is affected directly (being disarmed)...
Half these people are cops who successfully infiltrated let's be serious and let's get smart.
heatherkan 1 day ago
this is beautiful!
Quitekeen 1 day ago
"lets go break shit because we have the right to protest!"
you dont like it? leave? no one is forcing you to stay.
dmarks18 4 days ago
The U.S. government is pushing the people of the world too far ! And they knew this would happen hence the NDAA !
phiphibas 5 days ago
communists! fucking idiots!
sheyon1000 1 week ago
we are addicted to violence, we can't stop untill destoy everything, our target is to build a new society
MrDreadlover 1 week ago
To every who is bashing black bloc tactics, do some research. The tactic isn't about just going around smashing and "vandalizing". the tactic also protects protesters/activists, also anti-arrest tactics. I my self was getting arrested at a protest and a few black members ran up and pushed the thugs off me and pulled me back to the protest line. The saved me so I take my hat off to the warriors of freedom!!
LostAmongGiants 1 week ago in playlist Favorite videos 4
What does Black Bloc activists think of Chomskian/Howard Zinnian methods of protest?
DaSungandSoul1223 1 week ago
@DaSungandSoul1223 I bloc up sometimes... does that credential me to speak? I'm all for non-violence and peace. I favor the use of nonviolent black bloc tactics to improve safety and strategy of non-violent protesters, but I acknowledge the reality that the "law enforcement" is usually the aggressor, so I prepare myself and others to defend ourselves using whatever tactics are appropriate to that defence, even if it's just me standing between the cops and the non-violent ones.
FarrSight 1 week ago
You all look like a bunch of little kids throwing a tantrum. OooOOo Citibank has to replace a $42 window! Grow up.
SofaKingAwesome1990 2 weeks ago 2
Fuck yes.
RainyDayzHD 3 weeks ago
I live in Greece and that seems to me like a joke. Get fucking serious. So you smacked a few windows. So? The police does not even take you seriously. A black block is more than just flaunting your ideology with flags and fire. Be organized. Secure the rest of the protest. Scare the police. Keep them away. Set banks on fire (not people). Clash with the cops. Fight them away. Hand out your own newspapers. Permanently occupy a building. Turn it into a center of arts and ideas. Help the people out.
THCModule 3 weeks ago
@THCModule hell yes, we have great respect for you folks in Greece, and you're right...Hitting a wells fargo bank sign with a hammer does little, but we are slowly pulling together and starting to organize and integrate into our communities. Oakland is a great example. Black Bloc will not boast of their victories and feats via youtube and facebook for obvious reasons, so just because there isn't documented proof of us further organizing, doesn't mean it does not exist
xklasikahlmethodx 3 weeks ago
This is just inciting violence, if everyone was convinced not to go to work for one day that would hit the corporatocracy where it hurts. It worked for Gandhi
topgunexcel 3 weeks ago
I believe the government should be afraid of it's people, not the other way around, but how is hiding behind masks and destroying cities going to make that government take you seriously when you run around like a child throwing a tantrum?
MuzikInMyHead 3 weeks ago
appreciate the anarchism but seriously, do you think OWS is safe from being labeled terrorists, I bet Obamas just waiting for the right escuse to ennact those fema camps, just my 2cents.
edspacely92 3 weeks ago
Chicago? May 19th? k good.
ChinaMaster888 3 weeks ago
song: i know the truth - pretty lights
nrk37217 3 weeks ago
@nrk37217 Thank you so much :) good karma is coming your way
Danosaur101 3 weeks ago
What song was that?
Danosaur101 3 weeks ago
some would say deviant minds thought up black bloc, I say inequality is the creation of black bloc.
boofsterb 3 weeks ago 7
Yess!!
SeanHMc 1 month ago
If the Black Bloc only attack corporate businesses and not private family owned businesses, that's fine by me. I don't want innocent people to get hurt, innocent people to lose businesses, or anything like that. Have a goal. No to Anarchy. Yes to constitutional rebellion.
sarge958 1 month ago
Lol, fat piece of shit can't make his tear gas work! Hahahaha!!!!
jeffehdad 1 month ago
The justifications they use for militancy, violence, vandalism.... are child like...
ergonominous 1 month ago
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xandertroy13 1 month ago
riot pr0n.
BB is a failed tactic without a strategy. What successes do they have? why victories can they point to from the past 10 or so years. Please show us.
videobyredjade 1 month ago
@videobyredjade who would actualy give a flying fuck to show you any of that?!
Diseasedmentalist 1 month ago
we know the truth by pretty lights
StayPassive 1 month ago
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"I want you to be nice, until it's time to not be nice." - Patrick Swayze (Roadhouse)
Being nice (peaceful protest) has its place, and if it's sufficient, great. No need for violence or destruction if we're making progress without it. If the police are being cool, great. But when police are infiltrating and instigating, entrapping, using violence, throwing tear gas, firing rubber bullets, it's time to not be nice. We've been lucky in the U.S. Some places use deadly force. Expect it here.
ph0s40s 1 month ago
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"I want you to be nice, until it's time to not be nice." - Patrick Swayze (Roadhouse)
Being nice (peaceful protest) has its place, and if it's sufficient, great. No need for violence or destruction if we're making progress without it. If the police are being cool, great. But when police are infiltrating and instigating, entrapping, using violence, throwing tear gas, firing rubber bullets, it's time to not be nice. We've been lucky in the U.S. Some places use deadly force. Expect it here.
ph0s40s 1 month ago
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"I want you to be nice, until it's time to not be nice." - Patrick Swayze (Roadhouse)
Being nice (peaceful protest) has its place, and if it's sufficient, great. No need for violence or destruction if we're making progress without it. If the police are being cool, great. But when police are infiltrating and instigating, entrapping, using violence, throwing tear gas, firing rubber bullets, it's time to not be nice. We've been lucky in the U.S. Some places use deadly force. Expect it here.
ph0s40s 1 month ago
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"I want you to be nice, until it's time to not be nice." - Patrick Swayze (Roadhouse)
Being nice (peaceful protest) has its place, and if it's sufficient, great. No need for violence or destruction if we're making progress without it. If the police are being cool, great. But when police are infiltrating and instigating, entrapping, using violence, throwing tear gas, firing rubber bullets, it's time to not be nice. We've been lucky in the U.S. Some places use deadly force. Expect it here.
ph0s40s 1 month ago
"I want you to be nice, until it's time to not be nice." - Patrick Swayze (Roadhouse)
Being nice (peaceful protest) has its place, and if it's sufficient, great. No need for violence or destruction if we're making progress without it. If the police are being cool, great. But when police are infiltrating and instigating, entrapping, using violence, throwing tear gas, firing rubber bullets, it's time to not be nice. We've been lucky in the U.S. Some places use deadly force. Expect it here.
ph0s40s 1 month ago
the black bloc are keenly aware of the gross power that the bilderbergs and the NWO hold. In the end, standing up to the bully may be our only choice. ....... Unless peeps are comfortable with working their asses off for a cave and a car. Work all your life, that's about all you're gonna get out of it; if you're lucky
gerri577 1 month ago
You can't beat capitalism by breaking its windows, and you can't beat the cops by throwing shit at them.
This is -not- the same as anarcho-syndicalism, which engages thousands and millions of workers in mass action to shut down and take over production. This is a small group of play-revolutionaries substituting themselves for the movement. Self-proclaimed "anti-authoritarians" imposing their will against the majority of the movement.
The cops don't fear you, they love you (and some -are- you!)
dwc1964 1 month ago
How is providing a service, (A bank account) so that people can keep their money somewhere and use a card and digitally over make transactions, oppressive? You are not required to do any business with WELLS FARGO. WELLS FARGO EMPLOYEES ARE NOT BEATING YOU WITH BATONS OR FORCING YOU TO DO ANYTHING.
nottinmatterz2day 1 month ago
@nottinmatterz2day the civil unrest around the world today is not simply about the convenience of digital banking. A global movement is growing, and not just in the US and the middle east. check it out!
gerri577 1 month ago
@nottinmatterz2day excuse me... when the banks got bailed out with tax payers dollars and even after they avoided paying over 600 million in taxes in the span of 3 fiscal years... that is called robbery since wells fargo are one of the banks that created this problem in the first place. do not even think for a second that none of this is true. i suggest you look into economic affairs a little more closely than typing this ill informed bullshit.
gonzopoet00 1 month ago
@gonzopoet00 only people should pay taxes and not on their income
nottinmatterz2day 1 week ago
@nottinmatterz2day People who participate are part of the problem too. Not everyone's an anarchist boyo.
NotQuiteLucid 1 month ago
@NotQuiteLucid well if you dont participate in the DMV and a CHP pulls you over without a license, what do you expect to happen?
If you try to do something that requires a bank account, what do you expect will happen?
nottinmatterz2day 1 week ago
@nottinmatterz2day I expect to get a really serious citation and fine... FOR ME TO POOP ON!
NotQuiteLucid 5 days ago
Fair enough, but what you're really talking about then, is a call to arms. Which ain't happening. Because vandalism by a bunch of ill equipped, black clad clowns, whose goal is to "remind" everyone else that we have power, in the end, has the same effect as standing around protesting... none.
The reason the cops will ALWAYS beat you is because they are coordinated, equipped and have resources that you CANNOT match. Weapons and tight communication, trump vandalism. You skirmish, they advance.
Babylonthegreat 1 month ago
See, Black Bloc isn't right for every protest. Many protests can really get work done just by general awareness. However, certain times black bloc is good.
TheCaniac 1 month ago
The Blac Block are like rats infesting an area. They all try to acomplish their goal by eating away at everything - destroying property thinking that police are somehow supposed to be scared of them but all it takes is a bit more force before they start crying wolf and backing off. Not once have I spoken to an individual that is intelligent. I can name one too many movements that didn't use violence and were sucessfull. While all that the BB accomplish is being annoying flies for the police.
finnsia 1 month ago
Song????
ZucchinaOi 1 month ago 6
@ZucchinaOi Pretty Lights - I Know The Truth
Diseasedmentalist 1 month ago
@ZucchinaOi "I Know the Truth" by Pretty Lights
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Our purpose is to keep resistance solidly anti-capitalist, uncompromising, total, and global. Let the capitalists have no quiet city. Let the forces of reform no longer use as silent foot soldiers. Let capitalism feel another blow. -Black Bloc Papers
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bjarczyk 1 month ago
revolution action
steadystef36 1 month ago
i'd say theres an 80% chance this gets flagged for something
sexydorkmo 1 month ago
-It could talk about agents provocateurs more in depth and how black bloc usually spot them and kick them out.
-Ultimately, how they are used as self-defense tactics against the police, the importance of UNARRESTING people, blockades, occupations, and debunk the argument of it allegedly causing more repression.
-Show police writings of them afraid of direct action.
-Black bloc tactics can be utilized as part of a greater strategy, such as shutting down the WTO, fascists, etc.
(A)///(E)
bjarczyk 1 month ago
-Black bloc tactics are MORE than sabotage, direct actions, window smashing, etc.
-Doesn't give a historical perspective. This is all only US footage. It should say it came from the Antifa movement and Autonome movement in Germany, and highlight how large and effective black blocs have been utilized historically. It could give direct examples. -Black blocs eliminate the false "good protester vs bad protester" divide. Black blocs are meant to coordinate actions together w/ nonviolent protesters.
bjarczyk 1 month ago
There's a time for peaceful protests and there's a time for revolution. If things don't change soon, revolution will sweep across the country and I'll gladly swim with the tide.
doombringer117 1 month ago
Times of destruction ! Times of Changes! salute Black block, no spasala! rights is to take!
rgeocomrade 1 month ago
This is pathetic and so are the people supporting Blac Block. A lot of these kids don't know their history (or any for that matter) and destroy shit thinking its the solution because its the best way to be heard. They also managed to vandalize local restaurants. You have been heard and labeled as vandals. Fighting the police won't do anything, how about fighting the laws? Something that takes brains. It will never happen. You're all as useless as those you criticize.
finnsia 1 month ago
@finnsia
Look, I'll be frank, because it sounds like you have never worked with anarchists/know anything about them.
Anarchists (including many black bloc'ers) are EVERYWHERE. We started Occupy Wall Street (article about it in Rolling Stone). We have been using the models to organize it for decades. We organized and run/are major components of many Occupy camps around the country, i.e. PDX, Oakland (read David Graeber's Guardian article). YOU need to learn your history. And anarchism.
TRBtree 1 month ago
@TRBtree I'm aware of what anarchy is, and this is not it. As for the occupy movement, it all started in Canada before it got through to USA in NY. As for history, no sir- a lot of these people seem ignorant of movements in general. The women's movement, homosexual movement and the african rights in USA movement did not use violence.
finnsia 1 month ago
@finnsia
"The women's movement, homosexual movement and the african rights in USA movement did not use violence"
wow. if you think that, you are clearly way too brainwashed for this to conversation to be of any use.
TRBtree 1 month ago
@TRBtree Too brainwashed? How about you don't write off my argument with childish accusations and actually refute it.
finnsia 1 month ago
@finnsia Well you can start with researching the Black Panthers.
NotQuiteLucid 1 month ago
@NotQuiteLucid LOLWAT? Give me something more specific. That is basically the name of 9000 highschool sports teams.
finnsia 1 month ago
@finnsia Come on man the Black Panthers, the militant group that fought for civil rights back in the day, don't you have any sense of history? Both peaceful and militant groups worked together in every successful protest movement in history, I challenge you to find an exception to this. There isn't one. Especially not Gandhi, he had plenty of militant groups helping him and that aspect of India's past revolution has been largely IGNORED by system funded education programs
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@NotQuiteLucid I wrote this earlier: those without any millitant groups (that are also fairly recenty) women's suffrage, women's rights, black rights, LGTBQ rights.
finnsia 1 month ago
@NotQuiteLucid You too can start researching non violent successful protests in history.
finnsia 1 month ago
Any active member of the Black Bloc that can exchange information? Fighting and strength, Freedom!
DiegoeLsanchEs 1 month ago
It's funny cuz black bloc is probably the 1% of Occupy
brmcint 1 month ago 2
We need this in Romania!
xXDiExlUcYXx 1 month ago
@xXDiExlUcYXx YES.
XchaosssX 1 month ago
who dos the song?
therevepigee 1 month ago
Waving your dumbass hippie signs gets your head kicked in anyway, so why not fuck their property up and make your message heard . Peaceful protests are over , the police will treat you all the same .
TheAnonymousRevolt 2 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
Quien hace imposible una Revolución pacífica, hará inevitable una Revolución violenta.
Si no estuvieramos hartos de tanta corrupción de la casta política y demás parásitos así como del atropello permitido a los bancos, y de las injusticias de esta mal llamada Democracia ni siquiera nos manifestariamos pacificamente, no haría falta.
JFK
imean33 2 months ago
When the SHEF we will not have to worry about law enforcement. Just look South of the border to Mexico. A very few drug runners has got the law enforcement down there so scared that they will not get out of stationhouse without the Army. If they hear a firecracker go off they will piss over their self. During Katrina the police did more looting than the criminals. Police are armed and and retarded and dangers because they are cowards.
KYKIN44 2 months ago
AWESOME!!
NonMirageTV 2 months ago
War with the cops, 2012.
powergirl901 2 months ago
"Black Bloc Activists Are NOT Protesters
They are not there to protest
they are there to take direct action"
How about taking your "direct action" in some other day than when there's peaceful protest?!
DualityIsIllusion 2 months ago
@DualityIsIllusion peaceful protest dont do shit
TheNerdYouCraveFor 2 months ago 25
@TheNerdYouCraveFor So? My point was not to argue what they do.
Violent protest does do shit(=police state) and thats a fact.
DualityIsIllusion 2 months ago
lol "and that's a fact" Direct action eliminates police states and ends dictatorships
TheAnonymouse777 2 months ago
@TheNerdYouCraveFor Learn your history. They have done a lot. When a bunch if ignorant hermone fueled kids (and they are for the most part) want to destroy shit. This is what happens. Peacefull protests have changed laws and changed the world.
finnsia 1 month ago
@TheNerdYouCraveFor violent protest delegitimises your cause
GalenAus 1 month ago
@TheNerdYouCraveFor
So banging hammers against bank signs, breaking shit, and acting like complete tools makes change?
Sorry but violence is hardly ever the answer.
Eceoes 4 weeks ago
@Eceoes Nawwhh i was exaggerating, im just saying when its a popo state i dont think they care about people sitting on sidewalks and standing on roads
TheNerdYouCraveFor 4 weeks ago
Anti-government is not anti-order
TheAnonymouse777 2 months ago 2
Vandalism is non-violent protest
attacking the symbols of oppression is what what we need more of.
America is not india, ghandi bs will not work here
TheAnonymouse777 2 months ago
@TheAnonymouse777 Vandalism is not "non-violent".
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@TheAnonymouse777 Vandalism is not "non-violent"
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@Twiggierjet yeah because spray paint and broken windows makes bank buildings cry...
you need to read more about non-violent protest.
Graffiti and the targeting of banks, government buildings and the homes of the those in power has been an effective and useful non-violent means of aiding movements across the world.
Read more about peoples uprisings
TheAnonymouse777 2 months ago
@TheAnonymouse777 I'm not saying it's not effective or that it should not be done, I'm saying that it's not really "non-violent" when the protesters in question are smashing windows.
Twiggierjet 2 months ago
@Twiggierjet No one gets hurt with spraypaint, and I can't blame someone for breaking a banks window..
TheAnonymouse777 2 months ago
@TheAnonymouse777 Neither can I but that doesn't make it non-violent.
Twiggierjet 2 months ago
@Twiggierjet it is non violent not one person was hurt
TheAnonymouse777 2 months ago
@TheAnonymouse777 It is using force to cause damage. If I set your car on fire while protesting, would that be non-violent? Of course not.
Twiggierjet 2 months ago
@Twiggierjet Defacing and damaging government buildings and banks is not the same as lighting cars on fire. Up until the last comment you seemed to have a well thought out view.
TheAnonymouse777 2 months ago
@TheAnonymouse777 Alright, you have a point but defacing government or corporate buildings is still doing some damage(if you actually smash windows and stuff) and doing damage to anything, no matter how small it is or how much they deserve it, it is still not "non-violent". I'm not saying that you shouldn't do it, I'm just saying that you shouldn't call it "non-violent protest".
Twiggierjet 2 months ago
@TheAnonymouse777 sorry for the repeat.
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Quit with the stores and franchises, if you busted open the NYSE or Chicago Commodities Exchange and burnt it to the ground that'd do a whole lot more good ;-)
Occupy413 2 months ago
All I see is people breaking shit like retards thinking themselves pro and trying to compare themselves with people who are actually oppressed by real dictator to justify their mindless acts of anarchism. Kudos to those fighting off oppressing regime, and big freaking boo to those shamelessly using those courageous acts to give us shit like this.
Myrdraall 2 months ago
@Myrdraall You must be a fucking retard, Blac Block is a sanction of "Earth Liberation Front" which was considered to be the biggest threat in America
djsuperstar717 2 months ago
@djsuperstar717 Your point?
Myrdraall 2 months ago
@djsuperstar717
Black Bloc is not a group, it is a tactic. Right there you just showed your ignorance.
Misterunnamed 2 months ago 2
missing some cocktails
DashSkiT 2 months ago
Phase 2.1
djsuperstar717 2 months ago
All I see are wankers. Wankers, shitheads and morons.
teabagbob 2 months ago
@teabagbob All I see is a retard who loves to get ass fucked by cops
djsuperstar717 2 months ago
For those judging anarchism in base to propaganda of it as per being a utopia, and only seeking destruction, please take a look to CNT anarcho-syndicalism. Anarchism is NO UTOPIA, at all. Destruction is not a goal, is a mean since status quo won’t permit freedom, and they are the ones using violence, this video, it’s just images of self-defense in action.
fitobcnfito 2 months ago 12
Horrible music. But overall pretty good video
Violentrevolution90 2 months ago
Guy using a black flag to break a window. lolz
ShinobiBoiX 2 months ago
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altnerativeways 2 months ago
Pretty Lights - I Know The Truth. Perfect.
Bosoxfanpw7 2 months ago
I see a bunch of kids running and breaking things now and again. Petty vandalism. If, on the other hand, these same kids went to the Bank of London or the Federal Reserve and did the same thing I'd have a shit ton more respect. But that's just me.
bobbygnosis 2 months ago
ppppffffffffffffffff......... ridiculous.
juicykarkass 2 months ago
ACAB
JakikoChan 2 months ago
Bhagat Singh's revolution against British Rule which used violence arguably had more impact than Ghandi's non-cooperation movement of civil disobedience. Maybe people should read varying pieces of literature before telling other to read.
Horus515 2 months ago
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. John F. Kennedy, In a speech at the White House, 1962
Ahijab 2 months ago
do they wish to live as hunters and gatherers?
nottinmatterz2day 2 months ago
@nottinmatterz2day Only Anarcho-Primitists believe that we should go back to hunter-gatherer soceities. Read up on Anarcho capitilism and Anarcho syndicallism.
Skorge729 2 months ago
Never liked black block, But the curtains were drawn so tight that i feel the need to fight.
Times change.
Fight for youself and fellow good peoples not for country or for money/control.
We are one, get over it.
MrJJ2K 2 months ago
This isn't in America, it's foreign language on their speakers!
WheepingWillow2 2 months ago
problem - reaction - solution
Black block - public outrage - tighter police state
alexkillsdie 2 months ago
dumb asses oh u broke a window
whowweeemandude40 2 months ago
theyre children being used as agents provocateurs to legitimize crackdown on non-violent protest.
Black Block doesnt care what people are rallying on the streets for... they just wanna burn some cop cars (paid by our taxmoney) and smash insured frontwindows of mcdonalds and starbucks.
If they were Serious they would go for the top of the Pyramid in stead of causing damage to the lower part.
derekhugh 2 months ago
@derekhugh You have no clue what you are talking about. How is a bank the "lower part"?
TheAnonymouse777 2 months ago
The more completely we forget our power
to strike back at those who would dominate us
the more complete their domination becomes.
this is so wrong in many levels..........................!
gonzalezjesus100 2 months ago
Very clever, using the trendiest type of music that the youth are into right now, Joseph Goebbels would be proud of you . These clowns are useful idiot's like the previous poster said and they fall in lockstep with the New World Order's "Order out of chaos" gameplan.
nhrevolutionist 2 months ago
@nhrevolutionist all you of you use that stupid catchphrase "useful idiots". You need to come up with another buzz word. Take you bs some place else.
TheAnonymouse777 2 months ago
Violence and chaos is wanted, because it is NOT a solution for the ppl, it is the soloution for the criminals behind all the lies, fraud and crises. Violence is a well calculatet part of the big plan ;) You can see it how the police is equipet and reacts. You can see that how the Media is reporting on such topics. Stupid and useless violence is exactly what the NWO needs for the next steps. Its the way they can get out and install marshal law. If you are violent, you work 100% for them ;)
PWITcom 2 months ago
..i am not supporter of taking that kind of action myself - but i believe for real revolution to happen we need all movements - only that way we can find out the best strategy for winning this evil - I love black block guys - Respect
jenssdewalka 2 months ago
Ever read Gandhi?
bradleytank666 2 months ago
@bradleytank666 "I have been repeating over and over again that he who cannot protect himself or his nearest and dearest or their honour by non-violently facing death may and ought to do so by violently dealing with the oppressor" ~Gandhi
rageunderground 2 months ago 32
@rageunderground posted this as my facebook profile btw and for some reason the last minutes of the video reminds me of Rammstein.
cha53z 2 months ago
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@rageunderground ""I have been repeating over and over again that he who cannot protect himself or his nearest and dearest or their honour by non-violently facing death may and ought to do so by violently dealing with the oppressor" ~Gandhi"
We both know that is nowhere near what that quote means.
You can easily tell when someone is simply talking shit when they are spouting crap like that.
Myrdraall 2 months ago
@bradleytank666 Ever read Malaltesta???
Syndaclist88 2 months ago
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jaunmkj78 2 months ago
@bradleytank666 Gandhi wrote letters of admiration to Adolf Hitler and helped the British to dominate Kashmir and abandoned his friends in Africa. He also stopped being a vegetarian in his later years, but continued to scold people for eating meat. Fuck Gandhi.
thirtythreedeadowls 2 months ago
...all one need do is expose corporate falsity publicly and the share owners drop it like a bad liability
~two market correction in one, in the language of the bottom line. Anything that is traded as stock is instantly inflated in price, based on nothing; the pyramid crumbles quickly and those that funded it get a lesson in greed.
=no crime or bad example committed as it is just "telling it like it is" in the most ethical sense, that other's may make better informed choices going forward
docatomics 2 months ago
I've seen black bloc also smash up Joe Schmoes small businesses. Not cool, and not empowering. I know exactly what these kids do. I used to be one. ; ) If they want to smash banks up, they need to go out on their own and do it. Doing it during a protest is a good way to get people tear gassed, and pepper sprayed.
metalgodess81 2 months ago
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hate the black bloc
ottawafro 2 months ago
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hate the black bloc
ottawafro 2 months ago
hate the black bloc
ottawafro 2 months ago
800 years ago someone wouldve said that the world we live in is utopian. A world without direct slavery, where you get to vote in your leaders , and where everyone owns magical light boxes which they communicate with each other all around the world almost instantaneously. Yes governments and corporations are doing terrible things to billions of people but this is just another dark phase in the history of mankind
Skorge729 2 months ago
@Skorge729 Just another Dark phase in the history of mankind..? You are happy to just wait it out..? Seriously? I think this is pretty far from utopia: mass surveillence, puppet leaders, police state, debt slavery. Technological advancement is no replacement for Liberty, Freedom & Justice. It took centuries of fighting, civil war, violent protest, to achieve the rights we enjoy; sticking our heads in the sand whilst they chisel away at them is not the way to honour that memory.
MetaReaLizard 2 months ago
@MetaReaLizard Compared to 800 years ago living in this country is utopia for sure. Their was also mass surveillence, puppet leaders, a police state, and real slavery then aswell but think of all the freedoms we enjoy now that people couldn't even imagine then. I'm just trying to point out that Anarchy is the future, its going to be here and no one can stop it. It isnt some type of utopian ideal either there will still be problems in the future but getting rid of the govt removes 80-95% of them
Skorge729 2 months ago
@MetaReaLizard Technological advancements are just like any other tool they can be used for good or evil. We are able to have this conversation because of the internet and there has never been a time where the masses could communicate with like minds like we do now. I also didnt mean to wait it out, we all need to be very active in exposes violence within the system because when the economic meltdown occurs lots of people are going to be pointing fingers in the wrong directions.
Skorge729 2 months ago
@Skorge729 I never said technological advancements aren't a useful tool that's beside the point. We are aware. people are very aware, they're incredibly aware of the corruption that isn't a problem. The problem is that the people who are in control don't give a shit about protests and flag waving. They don't give a shit about how informed you or I are of their fiendish plans. As long as we do as we are told, pay our taxes etc they don't give a shit. We must hit them were it hurts.
MetaReaLizard 2 months ago
@MetaReaLizard Absolutely, many people own diet books so they have the education but many people remain the weight they were at when they bought it. So education alone is not the answer. You have to act on your principles such as not paying your taxes etc because they rely on violence. However doing this now is a purely suicidal idea, theres no way we can win now. We have to gather up enough people to actually defend ourselves from the predators when we refuse to go along with their system.
Skorge729 2 months ago
@MetaReaLizard And I do not mean we all just sit around singing kumbaya hoping the future will change. We need to constantly argue and point out the immorality of the system. We also need to raise children peacefully so they reject all violent hierarchial authority whenever they see it. The reality is that neither you or I will see a peacful world in our lifetime but that makes us all the more honorable in fighting for the freedom of future generations.
Skorge729 2 months ago
@Skorge729 Dude that hasn't worked it has been tried. It's not honourable at all it's an exercise in futility. It's just lip service and to be honest it would be better not to bother because all it does is make the cause look hopeless. They aren't interested in your ethics or morality... they don't care that it is immoral. Frankly I think it is a way of justifying cowardice and you should jsut step aside and be thankful that some people will fight on your behalf.
MetaReaLizard 2 months ago
@MetaReaLizard Actually peaceful parenting hasnt ever been tried in history to change the world. Your next argument is that if you think something isnt going to work you should not bother doing it because it makes things look hopeless. Isnt not doing anything and just bitching online what makes the cause look hopeless? People totally care about ethics its the foundation of our soceity and the rulers use it by setting up rules for the masses and then excluding themselves from those rules.
Skorge729 2 months ago
@MetaReaLizard Also it really doesnt take much guts to show up at a protest and start smashing shit. Cowardice, is not confronting people about the immorality of the system because your afraid of how it will affect your social life. I have no problem pulling the trigger on people who come to hurt me or my family in self defense and would give my life for them. The same as when the time comes I will partake in third party self defense to defend the sheeple from the predators.
Skorge729 2 months ago
@MetaReaLizard Violence however has been used countless times and it ALWAYS fails. Somalia is a great example of how an "anarchic" country goes when it arrives through the overthrow of the state. Its chaos when no one has a philosophical understanding of what anarchy is. You want to use violence to overthrow the state but then what do you do when its gone? People will just create a new one because they have no idea why it was destroyed in the first place other then that people were pissed off
Skorge729 2 months ago
@Skorge729 Destroying property is not comparable to violence against human beings. All you are saying is exactly what you said before. You are just going to wait until the world thinks like you do... Let me give you a clue that day will never come, not just in your lifetime but just never. You may only be prepared to "pull the trigger" when it comes to you and your family... Some aren't quite so utilitarian and actually care about other people aswell.
MetaReaLizard 2 months ago
@MetaReaLizard It is comparable, burning someones house to the ground isnt an act of violence against that family? I know we are talking about corporate property but the whole point of destroying property is to cause damage to the people who own it. Some of these corporations deserve it but I seriously question black blocs ability to always hit the right targets. I'm not waiting for anything, im making it happen, everyday I fight a war of ideas instead of bashing some shit up once every year.
Skorge729 2 months ago
@Skorge729 But this isn't burning someone's dwelling to the gorund is it..? It's the smashing of some windows of some corporate property. If you're so knowledgeable about what targets to hit why not get involved and have your say on what targets they should be hitting. You say you're not waiting but I have asked you before how are you going to get the oligarchs to relinquish control? It does not matter how many people you educate or enlighten in the end force will be required.
MetaReaLizard 2 months ago
@MetaReaLizard I'm not knowledgeable about what targets to hit and neither does black bloc which is exactly my point. The "oligarchs" are not going to relinquish control which is why the people have to outgrow the state and not participate in it to get rid of it. "it does not matter how many...the end force will be required" is totally just your opinion. Youv'e provided no logically consistent answers and still have not yet answered how using force to topple the govt creates a free soceity.
Skorge729 2 months ago
@Skorge729 Let me give you another clue then if you don't know don't judge. What the hell are you talking about outgrow state? What meaningless hollow lip service. My logic is completely consistent:. The goal is not to create a free society overnight it is put an end to the current obsenities and take a step in the right direction... All I see from you is a vision of what you want and no consideration to the reality of where we are now and how that can be changed.
MetaReaLizard 2 months ago
... at what point are you going to do this 3rd party defence? What will it take for you to make a stand against injustice and murder..? Have you ever even considered the question? The government of the country you live in is murdering people and you have latched onto an ideal that allows you to put your head in the sand and feel no guilt or shame... Now you want to tell other people who are trying to do something they are doing it wrong? They to should bury their heads?
MetaReaLizard 2 months ago
@MetaReaLizard When the government attempts to disarm the population is my turning point personally. First news of that and its over. I do kind of understand what your saying though, your worried that i wont take a stand&the incremental loss of our freedoms will slide us into totalitarianism. Standing on your principles daily&changing peoples minds about the world they live in is not sticking your head in the sand. You choose violence, I choose reason&evidence. I'm simply pointing out the flaws
Skorge729 2 months ago
@MetaReaLizard Also you may not have read my comment where i stated that we are morally justified to use force against institutions who are oppressing us. I just simply dont think it will work. I'm all for people trying it except for the fact that whenever I talk to someone about Anarchy in person they immediately think of black bloc smashing up things and I have to clarify that not all Anarchists believe in that kind of thing. Minor inconvenience to me which isnt a problem at all.
Skorge729 2 months ago
@MetaReaLizard I can absolutely judge. One of the first reasons I accept Anarchy is because I know that i or any other group of individuals can not run the world. So what im saying is that no one knows the right buildings to hit when they get involved in a riot. They get tunnel vision and they start smashing everything, collateral damage happens. My goal is not to create a free soceity over night, my goal is to create a free soceity sooner than it would occur without me existing.
Skorge729 2 months ago
@MetaReaLizard Creating a mob which is going to use violence to end the current obsenities is not taking a step in the right direction. Its simply stating that might makes right. I completely understand the reality of the situation, there are millions dieing each day but throwing some rocks through some windows or hell even toppling the government tomarrow isnt going to solve any of those deaths if people dont know why it was toppled. New people will simply institute new governments to oppress
Skorge729 2 months ago
@Skorge729 Violence serves a purpose in showing government that we control them and will not stand by when we see others being beat down. blood for blood FUCK this standing around peacefully in the face of what is happening take it back or burn it down! Then if a new government trys this shit we will remind them also. A bloody revolution every 20 years or they forget we are in control!
wanabyastick 2 months ago
@Skorge729 And I am saying if you completely understand that miillions are dying yet are going to wait because society isn't ready for your version of Anarchism then you are as guilty as the government who murders in your name. Before we even begin to debate political systems first we must be free of the oligarchy that oppresses us. The reality is that you are quite content to sit and discuss ideological pros and cons until it is you that is affected directly (being disarmed)...