Grandmaster Fred Villari teaches Chin Na

[Sotto1]

Why does his gi looks like something from an Elvis-impersonator shop?

[mgbushido]

I trained in Chin-na with Dr. Jwing-Ming Yang. This really doesn't look too much like that.

[SuperHolysmoke]

One of my favorite styles

[MrByaeger]

i just love Mr. Villari period, and I mean no disrespect whatsoever. I know how long he has been around, and some like to pick on him, but i really like his whole thing, I think he has some serious tricks up his sleeves and we could all learn a thing or two. plenty of scammers out there, but there is something about this guy that i think deserves a real hard second look . call me crazy, but i think the joke is on us.

[SudoJudo1]

The Greeks used Boxing long befor wrestling. As a stand point to martial arts that still exsist today.. Boxing is the oldist martial art..... Now tell me Jujitsu came from Chinese Kempo, when Kempo only has a basic and loose style of grappling called chin na? Jujitsu has more in common with basic grappling and wrestling than Kempo .

[BreyerLuver1]

Yes,Yes i do i watched my friend get hers.

[Crazy93SG]

If u dont know about historial facts about this topic, or you aint professor in field of history, then u have not much proves, so cut it out. Stop this youtube arguing, real martial artists are not only good fighters, but peoples who have good manners also. Stop this stupid youtube arguing, it leads to nothing. Be smart. True martial artist is.

[SudoJudo1]

@Crazy93SG Im simply informing people of the truth and clearing up misunderstanding.. When people tell me Jujitsu come's from Chinese Kempo i wonder how they come to these conclusions.. Hopefully the info ive posted shows this not to be the case as it obviously isnt related to kempo/kungfu..

[SudoJudo1]

@Crazy93SG Pankration (play /pæŋˈkrɑːti.ɒn/ or /pæŋˈkreɪʃən/) was a martial art introduced into the Greek Olympic Games in 648 BC and founded as a blend of boxing and wrestling.

Shaolin kung fu was based on the movements of five animals; dragon, tiger, snake, leopard, and the crane. This particular style of martial arts can be traced fourteen hundred years ago to the Shaolin Temple .

There's the facts gentalmen.

[SudoJudo1]

@Crazy93SG Boxing or pankration,both developed by the Greeks.

Both were part of the original Olympic Games,which began in 776 BC,so both disciplines must have been around well before that.Boxing is mentioned in the Iliad,and statues of boxers date from the 2nd millenium BC in Sardinia, and from frescoes of c1200 BC of Minoan Crete.

Boxing is shown in a stone tablet from Iraq dated to around 5000 BC,

[BreyerLuver1]

Do u know how HARD karate is, lay off if ur gonna insult him, he is my master I get my black belt on Sunday so don't even watch the video of ur gonna insult him!!! Cause he can KILL YOU!!!!

[SudoJudo1]

@BreyerLuver1 So you havent even sat the Black belt test but you know your getting it on sunday?? Typical....

[SudoJudo1]

It usally means someone is sick of trying to educate stupid minds who cant see the obvious.. Whatever.. As in your beyond help with your brain washed ways.. In this video he cant even stand up strait.. Every martial artist i show this clown 2 just laugh and dont understand how people cant believe his BS.. I know men who had dojo's around in the early 80's when fred was coming up... They all hate his guts for pushing BS to the public.// This fool makes it hard for the real masters .

[SudoJudo1]

@BushiWaazup the toughest and roughest of men could endure. The teaching was often disorganized and didn’t follow a logical set of concepts and principles.

[SudoJudo1]

@BushiWaazup of jiu jitsu which were greatly varied in the way that they approached combat. They dealt with weapons as well as empty hand techniques, but jiu jitsu was always considered secondary and supplementary to the Bugei’s main tools of the trade: weapons of war.Jiu jitsu had eventually earned quite a bad reputation for itself. Schools would often battle for supremacy and compete for the local economy. Injuries were frequent and the schools had turned into places where only

[SudoJudo1]

@BushiWaazup n Japan, we can trace jiu jitsu back as far as 23 B.C. to the origins of sumo wrestling. This ancient form of wrestling has evolved and has came into it’s own as a sport, but before that, it gave birth to the warrior art of jiu jitsu. The Bugei, or warriors, of ancient Japan were schooled in various ryu or methods of jiu jitsu depending upon location and which school had established dominance at the time. There has been official documentation of 725 schools

[SudoJudo1]

@BushiWaazup Ok, lesson time.. The samurai used Jujitsu on the battlefeild.. Its was used due to the amour the Samurai used. If one was disarmed , strikes where uselss. So they used joint locks and throws to down there foe .

The Samurai only came 2 power in The Heian period 794 to 1185. Thats over a thouand years ago my son. The samurai where around and used on the battlefield long befor this..

If you think Jujitsu came from one man then your a fool.It came from thousands of years of war..

[supercat821]

I'm a little surprised people are still doing this

[SudoJudo1]

Jujitsu was being used on the battlefeild for thousands of years befor Karate came to Okinawa from China. I suppose the Katana sword come's from karate also?

Compared to Jujitsu , Karate is an infant..... they call Jujitsu the grandfarther art of all Japanese martial arts....

This guys a fraud...

[daboodeef179]

@SudoJudo1 you are not a true martial artist.

[SudoJudo1]

@daboodeef179 Your not worth wasting time on.. NEXT!

[SudoJudo1]

@SudoJudo1 and if u know so much about history, then u must know that china is one of the oldest culture and civilization in world, more old than greece. China has got at least 4,000 years history, and it has excisted longer than greece or any european country. India and china are probaply oldest cultures in history. So probaply asians invented real martial arts long before european had any idea. And u must know this if u have studied history, for real. Point is that asians developed em. The end

[SudoJudo1]

@SudoJudo1 Well Crazy93SG .. You admit that the orignal Gung fu came from India??? Wasnt that me that stated that?? Now your using my own facts as argument agaisnt me... You lose.. THE END>!

[SudoJudo1]

Oh and here's somthing for you to ponder on.. The Indian's are thought to have gathered much culture and art from the Babylonian and Egyptian Cultures. Witch predate iNDIAN and CHINESE Cultures as we know them today...

Stick that in ya pipe and smoke it...

[3ivin]

this is some pretty nasty stuff. evry 2nd sentence ends with snapping something xD

[SudoJudo1]

@Crazy93SG First techniques came from India to china........

[SudoJudo1]

@Crazy93SG Apart from the fact that the Greeks where doing grappling thousands of years before the Chinese????? You obviously know nothing aboust the history of martial arts.. Your caught up in a romantic dream about it all.

[Torontokoshiki]

good techniques, but these dont only exist in Chin Na. In good karate you will learn the same principals. good vid though except I dont dig the flamboyant gi.

cheers

[Altair5467]

I live in an area with several Villari schools within driving distance. I decided to find out for myself about Villaris, so I visited 4 of these schools, all owned by different people. I found the instructors to be personable, knowledgeable and dedicated. I observed classes and talked to students and parents. The vast majority were very happy with Villaris. I watched belt tests. The students definitly earned their rank. Schools were clean and professional. Other places not so much.

[SudoJudo1]

@Altair5467 Clean and professinonal, with banners and logo's everywhere. MC DOJO's .. ok for metro sexuals and familys.. But if you wanna learn to really FIGHT., this is not the place you wanna be trainig at. You want a dusty dingie old dojo with a sensies who's gi is worn from hard use.. Not some gold coated fairy costumed fool.

[Altair5467]

@SudoJudo1

Do I understand you correctly? In your view, if a person presents a professional appearance and keeps a clean school, that person cannot teach "real fighting?" My research and experience suggest otherwise. Calling a professionally-run school a "McDojo" and believing only a smelly basement can be authentic is, in my opinion, anachronistic. I see from your profile you are in Australia. Is it credible to call someone a fool from half a planet away without knowing them? 

[SudoJudo1]

@Altair5467 What ever mate/ This guys a joke and if you can see it you deserve eachother

[Altair5467]

@SudoJudo1

Ah, so you are a "whatever" type of person. People aften fall back on "whatever" and resort to insults when their position is indefensible. If that works for you then I wish you a long and happy life. For myself I strive to find out what the truth is. I have done this, and the truth is this man may look like a joke to you in a youtube video. But he is not.

[Freedomdave]

Why so many Fred Vilari haters? I take Gracie Jiu Jitsu now, but 20 years ago I took Fred Vilari Kung Fu. It was cool. His guys can fight. They actually taught submissions before anyone knew about Ultimate fighting.

[bzman114]

To anyone who attends Fred Villari's school, seriously, try these moves on friends that don't go to your school and see if they work.  They won't. Your opponent is not just going to fall down on his back because you pushed his head to the side. You're not going to submit anyone with those armlocks either.

[DSGriever]

As a practitioner of this martial art (not as Villari's sudent), I say that you make a fair argument. There is very little chance that advanced moves like this will work in an actual situation, if tried to apply in the order it was taught. However, all of these moves are just tools. In an actual situation, every tool is at the defender's disposal. More often than not, all it takes to stop a fight once it's started is a good punch, palm strike, chop, kick, or whatever else to the solar plexus.

[mastersjh]

@bzman114

Mr. Villari is not just "pushing his head to the side." There is much more going on here. You can't tell that by looking at this video, unfortunately. So it may seem ineffective on youtube, but that is misleading. Ditto the arm locks. You can't see what is really happening. More to the point, you can't feel it. If you did, your opinion would change.

[bzman114]

@mastersjh I'm not going to rag on your training, but I think you should check out a bjj/submission wrestling gym and try some of these moves out. With no control of the hip or legs, you're never going to keep someone down while you only try to control the arm. The whole "grab their head like a football" isn't going to get you very far either, except either on the receiving end of punches or having them change levels and take you down while you hold your arms out like a zombie.

[mastersjh]

@bzman114 Thank you for your thoughtful reply. I have studied BJJ. I stand by my post.

[bzman114]

@mastersjh Where did you train?

[mastersjh]

@bzman114

I will reply to this post privately. I do not want to use names and places in a public forum.

[1004w12]

Actually, you are all wrong. Martial arts came from Italy. It happened when my great, great, great Grandfather Marco caught his wife cheating on him with the town butcher. Marco yelled, Whats a-matter for you-you whore!? And then bitch slapped both of them. Thus was born king fu. Wait! Maybe it was in Texas.

[KrazyBeeBogey]

This video is fantastic.

[Igaluit]

You are being petty. the more evolved and practice you are, the more you adopt a naural stance, devoid of stylisms.

[thedojo06903]

yield.....

[Pendraeg]

A first year judo student would toss Vilari on his head.

[stygianmessiah]

nice try dude.but all japanese martial arts originated from china n simplified to be caled their own.true,a judo guy may be able to toss a chin na guy around if the chin na guy is unable to secure a lock but a judo guy would get RAPED by a shuai jiao guy easily.coz the basic principles DERIVED from shuai jiao

[kempobrad]

nonsense. japanese joint locking techniques originated with their sword arts. the greatest influence china had was striking. but all you kung fu guys think everything comes from china i guess

[stygianmessiah]

well yeah.but if u actually checked history books,the founders of jiu jutsu did credit shuai jiao as a big influence on jiujutsu.go check it up dude

[kempobrad]

i have read practially every history of jujutsu i could find. never once has any of them mentioned shuai jiao as even a small influence, let alone a big influence or the mother art jujutsu was derrived from. there are records of grappling in japan that predate any recorded direct influence from chinese martial arts.

[ronin752]

I agree with you some part of the statement you made. I have never come across any jujutsu book that has credited chinna or shuai jiao. However, the Japanese have never credited the

Chinese for much of anything. Considering that there system of writing originated in China, it is plausible that China could have been the origin of jujutsu. Heck, even the Japanese style of dress was Chinese until the 1500's.

[ronin752]

As far as a judo guy vs a shuai jiao practitioner, the style doesn't matter, the best artist would win.

[kempobrad]

but the japanese aren't the only ones who've written history books. i believe all arts are related in some way but that doesn't necessarily mean that one comes directly from the other either.

[Bowser666]

Look at the translation of Karate , it means literally, China Fist. Go figure, China and Kung Fu had nothing to do with that at all I guess :P

[ronin752]

Yeah, but karate, or Tode, is Okinawan, not Japanese. The Okinawans have always given credit to the Chinese.

[jackylin24]

yeah Okinawans have Chinese ancestors

[anhkhoinguyen]

@jackylin24 Okinawans are Austronesian people who speak a Japonic language.

Not all Americans have British ancestors but we all speak English, and very few Okinawan have Chinese blood though culturally influenced. DNA dont lie. lol

[jackylin24]

did u read the part where Chinese Monk went to japan and taught Chin Na to 3 japanese. Thats how Jujitsu started

[kempobrad]

there are records dating back previous to that, that demonstrate jujutsu type techniques. noone is saying china had no influence on japanese arts. but i just don't buy that they came directly from china and that's all there is to it

[jackylin24]

well yeah, no one said that that Jujitsu is entirely came from China. All I am saying is that Chinese arts had an influence not only in strikes but grappling too

[kempobrad]

actually that is what he said lol

[anhkhoinguyen]

@jackylin24 Kito-ryu history states that the founders heard of and studied techniques from Chin Gempin aka Chen Yuan Ping in the 1600s.

Later they traveled to China to study the art further. Strangely Kito Ryu is also mentioned as one of the main influences in Kanos-new art Judo, from which most of the techniques derived from besides Fusen ryu and a few other minor arts. Jujutsu is a fusion of native and in some styles Chinese/mongolian and or Korean wrestling.

[anhkhoinguyen]

@kempobrad Dude....lol The oldest written records in Japan is the kojiki and thats 680 AD! very very recent and anything else is ever more recent. And Jujutsu as a term was not coined till the 1600 a.d(fact). Which is the time when Kito Ryu claims influence from Chin Gempin in 1600 a.d. Strangely only after 1600 did various Jujutsu styles emerged with there typical jujutsu techniques. Before then the samurai arts used a version of Sumo as there base.

[jackylin24]

just a note to make things clear. chin na is not really an art itself. It literally means joint locking, in Chinese Martial Arts it is used as a term to describe the technique of controling joints and tendons. Different styles of Kung fu has chin na techniques incorporated in it. Thats why you see White Crane Chin na , tai chi chin na, etc. You will never see Chin na as style on its own.

[mastersjh]

Well, my point, seven months ago, was not to judge anyone based on their knowledge of martial arts, but to judge them by their LACK OF KNOWLEDGE concerning Fred Villari. Until you actually experience what he can do first hand, you simply are in no position to judge his skill. Simple truth.

[shadowcii]

Maybe not, but I CAN judge this video. I find him and these techniques wanting.

[mastersjh]

Mr Villari is moving slowly and teaching as he goes. If he were really being attacked, he wouldn't move slowly or pause to tell the attacker what he was doing. I know from personal experience that that Mr. Villari is the real deal. I suspect you have never been a uki for Mr. Villari. If you ever get the chance to uki for him, and still have the same opinion, I will respect that. But untill then, your opinion will remain uninformed and therefore not credible.

[shadowcii]

So let me get your understanding of martial arts straight.

If you do bad technique fast, it becomes good technique?

So you understand me. I dont think the speed of his demonstration is lacking. Infact, I fully understand the need to move slowly so he can instruct.

What I find lacking is his basic technique including: footwork, balance, posture, tension, and many other basics that I would expect from a "master".

I'm happy to be his uki with technique like that.

[mastersjh]

Sorry my friend. You are wrong. You're like a very good chess player annotating a master's game, thinking you know what is going on. But the reality is, you don't. And until you play the master and experience it for yourself, you will forever believe that you do.

[shadowcii]

So says the man who thinks this guy is a "master." LOL.

[mastersjh]

You just proved my point. Ignorence is bliss, dude. Rock on.

[shadowcii]

You know, I just watched this again to make sure we were talking about the same guy, and I think we are so, I have a question for you.

What exactly do you find masterful about this video specifically?

And I don't know how I proved your point earlier, would you explain that aswell?

Please help me understand where you are coming from, I am dumbfounded by this conversation.

[stygianmessiah]

well.u r rite.he doesnt have the stance or natural combat stance that normal masters have.u wan REAL chin na masters,go china,coz theres where its from anyways

[shadowcii]

Did I critique his "stance"? I critiqued his balance, posture and footwork. Chi-na masters don't lose their balance like this man.

He is a phony and a master of nothing, except extracting money from ignorant people.

[vengeanceiwa]

i agree he is a hack of a teacher

[BigEagles33]

True, very true

[4001XBASS]

As I said before, if you don't like it, why don't you go and try and take his belt away from him?

[bigwoklun]

it works.

[RemBot2000]

Shaolin Kempo Karate is awesome, its not like Tae Kwon Do which is for "self defence" but in reality is a competition sport(I could explain in further detail). It's a combination of different martial arts such as Chin Na, Jiu Jitsu, Kung Fu, Shaolin Temple Boxing, Kempo, and various other styles of Karate. The benefit of combining them is that the weaknesses that one may have the other fixes. Thus making a well rounded martial art that focuses on real life situations and how to handle them.

[punhada]

Aiki WAZA WORKS BETTER AND FASTER.

[sfgx123]

why do these masters always assume a aggressor will start by grabbing their hand? Compliant partners for the win. I'm not impressed. Weak sauce like most TMAs.

[mastersjh]

Dude, you simply do not know what you are talking about. There is a reason foe everything, including why "these masters" assume an aggressor will grab them by the hand. You say you are not impressed. There is a reason for that too. Get some first hand experience about this subject, then make a judgement. Until then, your credibility will continue to be suspect.

[USSDvegas]

credibility? excuse me, but what gives you the credibility to judge another human being based on their opinion of the martial arts? yea, i totally agree with the point you were trying to make. but, it is a little corny that Villari is always going to assume that the aggressor will grab the hand. not one person has ever grabbed my hand. they punch, tackle, grab, kick, etc. not JUST grab the hand.

[kungfupanda2u]

i think most martial arts schools assume an attacker is going to do a single attack. the point is to help your student with the ability to react.

[USSDvegas]

yes, you are right on that one. but, you must teach from more than one kind of attack. such as punches, kicks, takedowns, etc. as you promote thru the ranks, you begin to work off of multiple attacks.

[kungfupanda2u]

maybe this video is only focusing on one attack? i have no idea...i don't own it and i'm not defending anyone here.

[ninja98765432]

Yeah ussd's how to steal money from your students bank account.LOL!

[vandelayindust]

In fairness this is NOT TMA.

[thekungfumonkey]

it's not really supposed to be.

[sifujyearoftherat]

...weak...

[mastersjh]

My friend, I am cusious. Have you ever been on the recieving end of a demomstration by Fred Villari?

[jackalwillis]

some believe jujitsu derived from Chin na

[Fanara1]

chin na isn't exactly its own style of kung fu. chin na is in every style of martial arts...including taiji.

[TaiPan15]

not even he has mastered the art so well he can do it with zero effort but still be power full. i attened one of his seminars, never underestimate the person you are fighting no matter what size.

[musashi71]

look at the against the knife video and tell me he's not underestimating the person with the knife

[KarateQueenJen]

He's awesome. This is awesome and very interseting stuff. You could learn a lot from this.