Pessimists be warned; being resigned to death, illness, scarcity, needless suffering, and economic-educational-creative inequality is counter-progressive. It holds humanity back and condemns us in our posterity's eyes. We will inevitably move toward an ever accelerating evolution. Superstitious belief systems based in bronze/iron-age cults like the Abrahamic faiths will wane as our collective scientifically reached knowledge eclipses our collective ignorance of how the human brain functions.
Well, there is a long history of eschatological salvation expectations (Naherwartungen);
many of them resulting in gruesome desasters.
And the enthusiastic notions about transhumanism are, in my opinion, an actual example of this phenomenon.
I think there’s a good chance that the ''technological singularity'' (as unstoppable as it might be ) simply leads to an existence of INFINITE boredom and desperation.
awesome answers =D one more and ill stop bugging you do you plan to upload your brain into a computer? and if so do you think it would be you? lets say you do upload you brain then what happens to you biological body? would it really be you in the computer? i was thinking if i was going to do this i would do it in a process of slowly merging my brain with nanobots until i my brain was completely robotic.. but then would that be me?
@gamepro94z I would say: Yes, it would be you. You would have the same memories, the same human connections, many of the same thoughts (and many new ones), and I suppose many of the same traits (more or less). You would change of course, but you already have changed drastically when growing up from a kid into an adult. I wouldn´t say that´s a tragedy. I think changing ourselves will let us keep a lot of what´s good about ourselves, and let us become more than we already are.
@gamepro94z ...The half-life of a microtubule (a protein filament that provides the structure of a neuron) is about ten minutes. The actin filaments in dendrites are replaced about every forty seconds. The proteins that power the synapses are replaced about every hour. NMDA receptors in synapses stick around for a relatively long five days.”
- Ray Kurzweil
So if you define you as being made out of the same atoms: Fear for your life! :P
“The specific set of particles that my body and brain comprise are in fact completely different from the atoms and molecules that I comprised only a short while ago. We know that most of our cells are turned over in a matter of weeks, and even our neurons [engelsk for hjerneceller], which persist as distinct cells for a relatively long time, nonetheless change all of their constituent molecules within a month....
@ThorBarstad do you think were going to make it to the singularity? I'm only 20 i have some time, but do you plan to live forever? will our government allow use to do this? what about over population? will our technology solve all these issues before we destroy our planet?
@gamepro94z "do you think were going to make it to the singularity?"
Since we´re 20 and 21 I think we will reach it with a good margin - although I´m not 100 % sure. If I were a betting-man I would bet that most people who are in middle-age today are going to make it.
@gamepro94z "do you plan to live forever?" I think I will live for billions of years, but I´m not sure - we´ll see. If I am to live for a long time I think I will change and improve drastically from what I am today (merging with technology). Of course, the atoms in our bodies and brains are changed pretty regularly anyway, and already today without advanced technology we change drastically many times during the course of a normal lifespan. Living forever is not a huge goal of mine, though.
@gamepro94z "will our government allow use to do this?" I think they will. Not allowing your citizens to live as long as they can would be pretty unpopular in a democracy I think.
@gamepro94z "what about over population?" I think advanced technology will enable us to live more comfortably in space than we are living on earth today (molecular nanotechnology I think is relevant here). I also think virtual reality, and the ability for those of who wish to (born and unborn) to change ourselves, will enable us to use space much more efficiently. More about these technologies in "What you MUST know about the future" from 6:58 and onwards (really a continuation of this video).
@gamepro94z "will our technology solve all these issues before we destroy our planet?" One never knows. But although I don´t claim to have a crystal ball I would be surprised if we destroyed our planet before technology enables us to solve the challenges we are facing today :)
Hello thor. Your elaboration on accelerating change is good, and it is one of the three viewpoints of judging the singularity. But you should also consider the intelligence explosion and event horizon interpretations, too. The intelligence explosion, for example, argues that there will be differances in kind, not just speed increases (in the attainment of projected technologys), which implies a future that is beyond merely bigger and better gadgets.
more about a mechanism (like intelligence) by studying where it has already arisen in nature is a sound one. What was done with ornithology/aerodynamics now has a parallel with what is being attempted by the human brain project. I have far more faith in this endeavour than the hoards of software programmers vainly attempting to recreate the design pressure inherent in millions of years of evolution, and design an AGI (artificial general intelligence) in their basement.
@TheJamesrocket Nice comment! I´m glad you thought some of it was good. There is no doubt more interesting, important and relevant topics that could have been included. You might very well be right in what you say about "basement-programming". But whether or not software programmers have the potential for making AGI without guidance from nature, they have already made AI like e.g. Watson. But without the brain as guidance I wouldn´t be nearly as confident in predicting the singularity as I am.
@ThorBarstad I concur. So, what will you be discussing for your future videos? I plan to do much work on fleshing out the relationships that will take place between beings on differant plains of intelligence (the groundwork of which, I laid out in rise of the transapients), and what a posthuman future will look like: I imagine it will involve a resource based economy, SENS therapy for biological immortality, and singularity fun theory to alleviate boredom and perhaps insanity.
@TheJamesrocket I will probably speak about the importance and potential of technology. My main (although not only) goal is to reach people who know nothing or little of the singularity from beforehand. I will probably not be making anything new for a while though. I will check out your video "Rise of the transapients". Good luck with your further work :)
Pessimists be warned; being resigned to death, illness, scarcity, needless suffering, and economic-educational-creative inequality is counter-progressive. It holds humanity back and condemns us in our posterity's eyes. We will inevitably move toward an ever accelerating evolution. Superstitious belief systems based in bronze/iron-age cults like the Abrahamic faiths will wane as our collective scientifically reached knowledge eclipses our collective ignorance of how the human brain functions.
Balehipocanter 2 weeks ago
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@Balehipocanter
(macbeth act v, scene v)
"... and all our yesterdays have lighted fools the way to dusty death"
Optimists be warned; this time death might be pretty nano-dusty.
kataklysmozarella 3 days ago
Do you really believe that an exponential intelligence augmentation will lead to an allmighty overmind in a state of unimaginable happiness?
Yes? well then i truly envy you for this notion.
kataklysmozarella 2 weeks ago
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Let me quote W. B. Yeats:
“Hell is the place of those who have denied (being human, i may add);
They find there what they planted and what dug,
A Lake of Spaces, and a Wood of Nothing,
And wander there and drift, and never cease
Wailing for substance.”
kataklysmozarella 2 weeks ago
Well, there is a long history of eschatological salvation expectations (Naherwartungen);
many of them resulting in gruesome desasters.
And the enthusiastic notions about transhumanism are, in my opinion, an actual example of this phenomenon.
I think there’s a good chance that the ''technological singularity'' (as unstoppable as it might be ) simply leads to an existence of INFINITE boredom and desperation.
kataklysmozarella 2 weeks ago
awesome answers =D one more and ill stop bugging you do you plan to upload your brain into a computer? and if so do you think it would be you? lets say you do upload you brain then what happens to you biological body? would it really be you in the computer? i was thinking if i was going to do this i would do it in a process of slowly merging my brain with nanobots until i my brain was completely robotic.. but then would that be me?
gamepro94z 3 months ago
@gamepro94z I´ve enjoyed your comments. I don´t really have plans for myself that far into the future. I´ll have to wait and see :)
ThorBarstad 3 months ago
@ThorBarstad Luckily, although the atoms in your brain change, the pattern that is you can keep many of it´s properties and be continuous ;)
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@gamepro94z I would say: Yes, it would be you. You would have the same memories, the same human connections, many of the same thoughts (and many new ones), and I suppose many of the same traits (more or less). You would change of course, but you already have changed drastically when growing up from a kid into an adult. I wouldn´t say that´s a tragedy. I think changing ourselves will let us keep a lot of what´s good about ourselves, and let us become more than we already are.
ThorBarstad 3 months ago
@gamepro94z ...The half-life of a microtubule (a protein filament that provides the structure of a neuron) is about ten minutes. The actin filaments in dendrites are replaced about every forty seconds. The proteins that power the synapses are replaced about every hour. NMDA receptors in synapses stick around for a relatively long five days.”
- Ray Kurzweil
So if you define you as being made out of the same atoms: Fear for your life! :P
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@gamepro94z I made a mess out of these answers :P
Here is the start of the quote:
“The specific set of particles that my body and brain comprise are in fact completely different from the atoms and molecules that I comprised only a short while ago. We know that most of our cells are turned over in a matter of weeks, and even our neurons [engelsk for hjerneceller], which persist as distinct cells for a relatively long time, nonetheless change all of their constituent molecules within a month....
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very well said
gamepro94z 3 months ago 2
@gamepro94z Thank you! :)
ThorBarstad 3 months ago
@ThorBarstad do you think were going to make it to the singularity? I'm only 20 i have some time, but do you plan to live forever? will our government allow use to do this? what about over population? will our technology solve all these issues before we destroy our planet?
gamepro94z 3 months ago
@gamepro94z "do you think were going to make it to the singularity?"
Since we´re 20 and 21 I think we will reach it with a good margin - although I´m not 100 % sure. If I were a betting-man I would bet that most people who are in middle-age today are going to make it.
ThorBarstad 3 months ago
@gamepro94z "do you plan to live forever?" I think I will live for billions of years, but I´m not sure - we´ll see. If I am to live for a long time I think I will change and improve drastically from what I am today (merging with technology). Of course, the atoms in our bodies and brains are changed pretty regularly anyway, and already today without advanced technology we change drastically many times during the course of a normal lifespan. Living forever is not a huge goal of mine, though.
ThorBarstad 3 months ago
@gamepro94z "will our government allow use to do this?" I think they will. Not allowing your citizens to live as long as they can would be pretty unpopular in a democracy I think.
ThorBarstad 3 months ago
@gamepro94z "what about over population?" I think advanced technology will enable us to live more comfortably in space than we are living on earth today (molecular nanotechnology I think is relevant here). I also think virtual reality, and the ability for those of who wish to (born and unborn) to change ourselves, will enable us to use space much more efficiently. More about these technologies in "What you MUST know about the future" from 6:58 and onwards (really a continuation of this video).
ThorBarstad 3 months ago
@gamepro94z "will our technology solve all these issues before we destroy our planet?" One never knows. But although I don´t claim to have a crystal ball I would be surprised if we destroyed our planet before technology enables us to solve the challenges we are facing today :)
ThorBarstad 3 months ago
Hello thor. Your elaboration on accelerating change is good, and it is one of the three viewpoints of judging the singularity. But you should also consider the intelligence explosion and event horizon interpretations, too. The intelligence explosion, for example, argues that there will be differances in kind, not just speed increases (in the attainment of projected technologys), which implies a future that is beyond merely bigger and better gadgets.
And your argument that we can understand
TheJamesrocket 3 months ago
more about a mechanism (like intelligence) by studying where it has already arisen in nature is a sound one. What was done with ornithology/aerodynamics now has a parallel with what is being attempted by the human brain project. I have far more faith in this endeavour than the hoards of software programmers vainly attempting to recreate the design pressure inherent in millions of years of evolution, and design an AGI (artificial general intelligence) in their basement.
TheJamesrocket 3 months ago
@TheJamesrocket Nice comment! I´m glad you thought some of it was good. There is no doubt more interesting, important and relevant topics that could have been included. You might very well be right in what you say about "basement-programming". But whether or not software programmers have the potential for making AGI without guidance from nature, they have already made AI like e.g. Watson. But without the brain as guidance I wouldn´t be nearly as confident in predicting the singularity as I am.
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@ThorBarstad I concur. So, what will you be discussing for your future videos? I plan to do much work on fleshing out the relationships that will take place between beings on differant plains of intelligence (the groundwork of which, I laid out in rise of the transapients), and what a posthuman future will look like: I imagine it will involve a resource based economy, SENS therapy for biological immortality, and singularity fun theory to alleviate boredom and perhaps insanity.
TheJamesrocket 3 months ago
@TheJamesrocket I will probably speak about the importance and potential of technology. My main (although not only) goal is to reach people who know nothing or little of the singularity from beforehand. I will probably not be making anything new for a while though. I will check out your video "Rise of the transapients". Good luck with your further work :)
ThorBarstad 3 months ago