shit, you wanna talk about setting a dangerous precedent. how about the one obama is setting right now? the criminalization of policy differences? obama better hope that republican doesn't get elected directly after him.
Yes I belive it too. I also think he should investagate some of his staff and people he picks for post. Like the new CIA director who was chief of staff for clinton who was the one that said we should get this people together and set up the camp in Cuba and get info from these people Now it a bad thing when it is ok for him. to get better job.
Hellshade--as you know, I'm a Canadian so you can ignore this if you want. I have to say that it was that bastard Rumsfeld that I really thought was a criminal.
I would say Obama will be way too busy to investigate Bush/Cheney. But if the World Court wants to indict them for war crimes, I would hope he would concur. I think it could only be good for America to admit that one or two of our leaders were really criminals and let them be tried and punished for their crimes. Have the Germans torn down Spandau Prison yet?
The plan is working perfectly. All of America has fallen for it. The world has fallen for it. Everyone has fallen for it. There will be no investigation. Bush was key in the plan. Cheney executed the plan perfectly. The plan went down like a fine well practiced symphony at work.
Kind of ironic that the country becomes enslaved at the exact same time that a black man takes the office of the president.
"For all I know you were selling information to the enemy just like Rhodes."
Dude, get a grip on the ENGLISH language.
FOR ALL I KNOW she probably sold valuable info to the enemy since she left the service before her time was up. FOR ALL I KNOW she was running scared that she would get caught. She obviously hates her country with her propaganda she spews on the air waves. Just a good thing her ratings suck just like her. DUDE.
You spin like a fucking top you meathead. I stated "for all I know" you idiots sold shit to the enemy. You on the other hand stated you blocked me because I sent you death threats you lying sack of shit. You are a spin machine but it is out here for all to see.
Oh wait a minute here, I thought it was because I made DEATH THREATS to you? You have no proof that Bush is a war criminal yet you have built your life around it. So get off the poor me act pal. If you are going to dish it out you should learn how to take it.
Thanks cormeister glad to see you haven't changed a lick. They say there isa person out there for everyone, maybe you and Randi are made for one another!
Go Obama, I hope he doesn't cave in to the far left loonage.
Dude, Randi Rhodes fell on her face drunk and had dental surgery so that's your excuse as to why she claimed she was mugged? I mean are you trying to say she was so smashed that she may have thought she was mugged?
I never made a video claiming my love for Bill O'Reilly but I can understand why you need to lie in order to compete with me.
Randi Rhodes is a chain smoking drunk and an ugly one at that. If that's where you set your standards that's your problem not mine.
Yeah, Clinton didn't ignore anything, he had a chance to take him out but refused. Yeah It's fishy, maybe Bush was piloting one of the planes and ejected before it crashed?
For all I know you were selling information to the enemy just like Rhodes. If you weren't proud to be an American for 8 years you should have left.
Yeah I remember 9/11, do you think it was an inside job? You rallied nothing, you got nothing to back it up. Can you NAME something positive that Bush did over the past 8 years?
I'm sorry you ever trusted Bush also, you would have been better off moving to Afghanistan.
Come on Cortmeister, you shouldn't throw any stones out here about videos. That one you made on Randi "the drunken" Rhodes was one for the ages. I actually thought you were going to cry. I mean the part where you did the opening of a champagne bottle was priceless. The loser actually tried to claim she was mugged and then an Air America host blamed it on a Republican!
Randi Got drunk, Randi fell on her face, Randi rushed home and sent an e-mail claiming she was mugged, those are the FACTS.
I never sent you a death threat and you are full of shit. Show me the death threat that I sent you, hurry up. You can't take reality because you live in fantasy land.
As far as Obama goes I hope he does great and get's re-elected that way I know the country is doing well just like when Bush got re-elected :)
Unlike you I root for my president no matter who it is.
Sorry if the FACTS made you block me. I never made death threats to anyone out here, I don't have too. I saw your love romance video with Randi Rhodes and set you straight with the FACTS behing her falling on her face drunk as a skunk, that's why you blocked me. Sorry if the facts get in yourway so you block people.
no but you think cutting off someones head is bad but torture is ok. getting your head cut off i'm sure hurts for a minute but what about torture? there are tortures that canhurt and maim too.sure it's not the same thing but they are both equally as bad. it makes us no better then these terrorists.
All depends on what you consider to be torture What have we done to terrorists that maimed them?. You mean having terrorists listen to loud music or water boarding a couple of them is as bad as cutting their heads off?
it's not a matter of severity it's a matter of the act itself.this country is not supposed to torture prisoners yet we did. where is the morality of it? again we lower ourselves because of this and as americans we should be better than that.
beleive me i see where your coming from i just believe we can do this without becoming crimanals and morally bankrupt ourselves.
obama claims the war in afghanistan will be the center piece of his war on terror and yesterday US forces killed 16 afghani civilians. obama better get his shit together or the afghan people are going to end up hating us.
i am willing to give obama a little time since he is not the one that got us into this mess, and there will always be some civilian casualties. but let's hope we can keep those down to a minimum tine will tell and then we decide how it apples to obama.
LOL you moonbats will br crying about this for years to come just like you did in 2000 when Bush became president. You idiots should stick with the old 9/11 was an inside job.
You don't know what a moonbat is? Look it up I am here to educate you. I know there will be no prosecution that's who knows. You should be crying about the terrorists cutting the fucking heads off of Americans instead of crying that we made a few terrorists feel uncomfortable by making them stay up past their bed time.
you must be messed up in the head or something, when did i say we should'nt go after terrorists? all i said is we should take care of the criminal in our own country acting like them.maybe bush did'nt order anyones head cut off but torture is against the geneva convention which the u.s. sigmed. do you understand this? do you let a murder go? no you don't. if you commit a crime you should do the time and both bush/and cheney signed of on torture and illegal wiretapping
i don't think you get it either what was the point of signing the convention to begin with? the geneva convention is a set of rule for the ethical treatment of prisoners of war. now is this not a war on terror? regardless of uniforms these people are still prisoners of war. whether you care to make that distinction or not.
Well it does matter. I have ZERO problem with making suspected terrorists listen to loud music or have water poured up their nose. I do have a problem with prisoners getting their heads chopped off, call me crazy.
in all honesty that in itself does not bother me what does bother me is that these are the types of things terrorist would do and i don't believe we shouild behave like them. call me crazy. in my opinion it's better to shoot them on the battle feild but if your gonna take prisoners then there are rules if you want to call yourself moral and ethical. i am not going to give up my morals or ethics by acting no better than these animals.
Again I have no problem with making prisoners listen to loud music or turn the temperature down in order to get info that could save thousands of lives.
Let me ask you this, say a known terrorist was captured and his pals had a family member of yours kidnapped, would you object to making them listen to loud music or sleep deprivation or water up his nose in order to tell save your family member?
good question,when a family member is involved it's different right?
i'll tell you honestly that i could not decide that unless it actually happens. if i decide to let them torture the prisoner i would still be throwing away my own morals and ethics. that's a question that's truly unanswerable uless you are truly faced with it.
Well I could tell you without hesitation that I would have no problem with making them stay up or listen to loud music or water up his nose in order to save any innocent person not just a family member. You and I have a disagreement on what torture is.
torture i would say is any treatment that could cause mental or physical harm to a person. i don't know if anything else could qualify since i am no torture expert nor would a care to be. waterboarding is bad though it's supposed to simulate drowning and being someone who almost drowned as a kid i can relate to the feeling.
The supreme court refused to hear one of the lawsuits regarding obamas citizenship status after a lower court dismissed it. BUT there are at least 6 others in process in the courts and more to come until obama provides a valid birth certificate proving his US citizenship. A birth announcement in a newspaper is NOT proof of citizenship. obama is not my president, he is just another self serving liar of low moral character. There, I dealt with it. :)
damn it even obama should realise he would have a great political advantage with the other nations of the world if he brings bush cheney to justice for thier crimes. sorry man i think i am getting a little over the top here. let's hope obama getys this right....
obama must inverstigate and prosecute bush/cheney if he does not he shows himself to be no different then bush. he says we need change well the first change is not just reversing criminal policies but prosecuting the criminals that made them. bush is a war criminal no doubt about it cheney too.
i generally think the same but i still do not give up hope that someone will do the right thing. i give all the beneifit of doubt until evidence proves otherwise
so do i man and he probably won't and if obama does not investigate and prosecute bush/cheney for there crimes then he is no less an accomplice to bush/cheney crimes then...
Before obama investigates anyone for anything obama needs to prove he is a US citizen. Several suits have been filed in order to get his birth certifcate. One can only guess as to why obama is not providing one.voluntarily.
thought he provided a birth certificate from hawaii. but regardless this issue would still be on the head of whoever takes his place then. but to be honest if his birthplace was in question i doubt he would have recieved the nomination
why we he not be a US citizen i guess anyone can go to harvard, be a senator, and the president and never had to show proof the he is a actual citizen. Thats a stupid theory, why should he have to show you are anyone that doesn't really matter. If he shows you the certificate then it will be something else after that on so on.
I will never vote for a republican! They are liars, they are arrogant and they do not care about American people!
padude64 2 years ago
Bush and Cheney were both stupid asses!
padude64 2 years ago
shit, you wanna talk about setting a dangerous precedent. how about the one obama is setting right now? the criminalization of policy differences? obama better hope that republican doesn't get elected directly after him.
ThaKidSnipes 2 years ago
Why dont you shut up you right wing nutjob! At least Obama is trying and I give him credit unlike his previous jackass Bush!
padude64 2 years ago
Yes I belive it too. I also think he should investagate some of his staff and people he picks for post. Like the new CIA director who was chief of staff for clinton who was the one that said we should get this people together and set up the camp in Cuba and get info from these people Now it a bad thing when it is ok for him. to get better job.
mrman302002 3 years ago
Hellshade--as you know, I'm a Canadian so you can ignore this if you want. I have to say that it was that bastard Rumsfeld that I really thought was a criminal.
hairyreasoner 3 years ago
rumsfeld was definetly part of things early on.but both bush and cheney signed off on illegal wiretaping and torture. and as such they are criminals.
thxs for posting hairy :)
hellshade2 3 years ago
I would say Obama will be way too busy to investigate Bush/Cheney. But if the World Court wants to indict them for war crimes, I would hope he would concur. I think it could only be good for America to admit that one or two of our leaders were really criminals and let them be tried and punished for their crimes. Have the Germans torn down Spandau Prison yet?
Largo64 3 years ago
The plan is working perfectly. All of America has fallen for it. The world has fallen for it. Everyone has fallen for it. There will be no investigation. Bush was key in the plan. Cheney executed the plan perfectly. The plan went down like a fine well practiced symphony at work.
Kind of ironic that the country becomes enslaved at the exact same time that a black man takes the office of the president.
mobiltec 3 years ago
:::APPLAUSE:::
Dewdaahman 3 years ago
LOL now that's a funny one.
Now who is going to investigate Obama?
If a investigation was done on Obama, he would be on the next plane to Kenya.
ANGLEBOOT 3 years ago
"For all I know you were selling information to the enemy just like Rhodes."
Dude, get a grip on the ENGLISH language.
FOR ALL I KNOW she probably sold valuable info to the enemy since she left the service before her time was up. FOR ALL I KNOW she was running scared that she would get caught. She obviously hates her country with her propaganda she spews on the air waves. Just a good thing her ratings suck just like her. DUDE.
topcat42 3 years ago
Don't need to sell anything loon job, It's right there in black and white not taken out of context at all. You lose.
topcat42 3 years ago
Yes let's read it shall we?
"For all I know you were selling information to the enemy just like Rhodes."
There it is idiot, SPIN away.
Now here is what you said about me:
"I blocked you because you are a foul mouthed twit who makes death threats and I was tired of your shit."
Fucking lying sack of shit, then you admit this:
"Now I remember, that's why I blocked you! You make these stupid claims that have no basis in fact and you're completely full of shit!"
Talk about busted. Check Mate
topcat42 3 years ago
You spin like a fucking top you meathead. I stated "for all I know" you idiots sold shit to the enemy. You on the other hand stated you blocked me because I sent you death threats you lying sack of shit. You are a spin machine but it is out here for all to see.
topcat42 3 years ago
I said "for all I know" you spinning loon.
You come out here saying I made death threats against you without anything to back it up. You didn't say "as far as I know" you ass wipe.
topcat42 3 years ago
Oh wait a minute here, I thought it was because I made DEATH THREATS to you? You have no proof that Bush is a war criminal yet you have built your life around it. So get off the poor me act pal. If you are going to dish it out you should learn how to take it.
Thanks cormeister glad to see you haven't changed a lick. They say there isa person out there for everyone, maybe you and Randi are made for one another!
Go Obama, I hope he doesn't cave in to the far left loonage.
topcat42 3 years ago
I ask myself why you said I sent you death threats when I never did.
Randi did admit that she sent an e-mail to Air America radio claiming she was mugged. You denying that?
Yeah I've gotten shit faced but I never claimed I was mugged because of it.
topcat42 3 years ago
Dude, Randi Rhodes fell on her face drunk and had dental surgery so that's your excuse as to why she claimed she was mugged? I mean are you trying to say she was so smashed that she may have thought she was mugged?
I never made a video claiming my love for Bill O'Reilly but I can understand why you need to lie in order to compete with me.
Randi Rhodes is a chain smoking drunk and an ugly one at that. If that's where you set your standards that's your problem not mine.
topcat42 3 years ago
Yeah, Clinton didn't ignore anything, he had a chance to take him out but refused. Yeah It's fishy, maybe Bush was piloting one of the planes and ejected before it crashed?
For all I know you were selling information to the enemy just like Rhodes. If you weren't proud to be an American for 8 years you should have left.
topcat42 3 years ago
Yeah I remember 9/11, do you think it was an inside job? You rallied nothing, you got nothing to back it up. Can you NAME something positive that Bush did over the past 8 years?
I'm sorry you ever trusted Bush also, you would have been better off moving to Afghanistan.
topcat42 3 years ago
Come on Cortmeister, you shouldn't throw any stones out here about videos. That one you made on Randi "the drunken" Rhodes was one for the ages. I actually thought you were going to cry. I mean the part where you did the opening of a champagne bottle was priceless. The loser actually tried to claim she was mugged and then an Air America host blamed it on a Republican!
topcat42 3 years ago
Come on dude you never rooted for Bush. Show me one positive post you ever made about Bush, hurry up.
I have criticized Bush on a number of issues like not securing the borders and his VP pick and not telling the liberal media to kiss his ass.
Aaahhh still crying FIXED! Gotta love moonbats, you truly are a hoot.
topcat42 3 years ago
Randi Got drunk, Randi fell on her face, Randi rushed home and sent an e-mail claiming she was mugged, those are the FACTS.
I never sent you a death threat and you are full of shit. Show me the death threat that I sent you, hurry up. You can't take reality because you live in fantasy land.
As far as Obama goes I hope he does great and get's re-elected that way I know the country is doing well just like when Bush got re-elected :)
Unlike you I root for my president no matter who it is.
topcat42 3 years ago
Sorry if the FACTS made you block me. I never made death threats to anyone out here, I don't have too. I saw your love romance video with Randi Rhodes and set you straight with the FACTS behing her falling on her face drunk as a skunk, that's why you blocked me. Sorry if the facts get in yourway so you block people.
topcat42 3 years ago
Topcat thats a consiracy theory..
Bush is no war criminal...
Hes just mentally retarded...
Take your consiracy believing ass elsewhere... FUCK YOU LIBERAL!!!
American226 3 years ago
torture is against the geneva convention which the united states signed.
that makes bush a war criminal maybe you just don't want to see the facts.
hellshade2 3 years ago
The Geneva Convention does not apply to an enemy that wears no uniform. Maybe you just don't get it or could care less.
topcat42 3 years ago
so what your saying is it's ok to lower yourself to the level of a terrorist to beat them? i say that's ridiculous.
we can beat these people without being barbaric like they are.
hellshade2 3 years ago
You mean we have been cutting the heads off of terrorists?
topcat42 3 years ago
no but you think cutting off someones head is bad but torture is ok. getting your head cut off i'm sure hurts for a minute but what about torture? there are tortures that canhurt and maim too.sure it's not the same thing but they are both equally as bad. it makes us no better then these terrorists.
hellshade2 3 years ago
All depends on what you consider to be torture What have we done to terrorists that maimed them?. You mean having terrorists listen to loud music or water boarding a couple of them is as bad as cutting their heads off?
topcat42 3 years ago
it's not a matter of severity it's a matter of the act itself.this country is not supposed to torture prisoners yet we did. where is the morality of it? again we lower ourselves because of this and as americans we should be better than that.
beleive me i see where your coming from i just believe we can do this without becoming crimanals and morally bankrupt ourselves.
hellshade2 3 years ago
Do you believe making someone listen to loud music is torture?
topcat42 3 years ago
hell i listen to loud music myself, now if it was rap music that would be torture...
hellshade2 3 years ago
Well I can't argue with you on that one.
topcat42 3 years ago
well i guess we can agree on something then :)
hellshade2 3 years ago
cortmeister you can dish it out but you can't take it. I tore you a new asshole on your love Randi Rhodes and you blocked me like the coward you are.
topcat42 3 years ago
Naw, I will just watch with amusement as things develop.
Maxwedge12000 3 years ago
obama claims the war in afghanistan will be the center piece of his war on terror and yesterday US forces killed 16 afghani civilians. obama better get his shit together or the afghan people are going to end up hating us.
Maxwedge12000 3 years ago
i am willing to give obama a little time since he is not the one that got us into this mess, and there will always be some civilian casualties. but let's hope we can keep those down to a minimum tine will tell and then we decide how it apples to obama.
hellshade2 3 years ago
LOL you moonbats will br crying about this for years to come just like you did in 2000 when Bush became president. You idiots should stick with the old 9/11 was an inside job.
topcat42 3 years ago
what the hell is a moonbat? when you wire tap illegally your a criminal
when you sign off on torture being ok your a war criminal.
whether prosecution occurs who knows
hellshade2 3 years ago
You don't know what a moonbat is? Look it up I am here to educate you. I know there will be no prosecution that's who knows. You should be crying about the terrorists cutting the fucking heads off of Americans instead of crying that we made a few terrorists feel uncomfortable by making them stay up past their bed time.
topcat42 3 years ago
you must be messed up in the head or something, when did i say we should'nt go after terrorists? all i said is we should take care of the criminal in our own country acting like them.maybe bush did'nt order anyones head cut off but torture is against the geneva convention which the u.s. sigmed. do you understand this? do you let a murder go? no you don't. if you commit a crime you should do the time and both bush/and cheney signed of on torture and illegal wiretapping
hellshade2 3 years ago
Again, the Geneva Convention does not apply to an enemy that doesn't wear a uniform. Do you not get that?
topcat42 3 years ago
i don't think you get it either what was the point of signing the convention to begin with? the geneva convention is a set of rule for the ethical treatment of prisoners of war. now is this not a war on terror? regardless of uniforms these people are still prisoners of war. whether you care to make that distinction or not.
hellshade2 3 years ago
I'm telling you that the Geneva Convention does not apply to an enemy who wears no uniform. Now what exactly do you consider torture.
topcat42 3 years ago
i'm telling you that it should not matter to a country that signs it. all prisoners should be treated the same not have a double standard.
hellshade2 3 years ago
Well it does matter. I have ZERO problem with making suspected terrorists listen to loud music or have water poured up their nose. I do have a problem with prisoners getting their heads chopped off, call me crazy.
topcat42 3 years ago
in all honesty that in itself does not bother me what does bother me is that these are the types of things terrorist would do and i don't believe we shouild behave like them. call me crazy. in my opinion it's better to shoot them on the battle feild but if your gonna take prisoners then there are rules if you want to call yourself moral and ethical. i am not going to give up my morals or ethics by acting no better than these animals.
hellshade2 3 years ago
Again I have no problem with making prisoners listen to loud music or turn the temperature down in order to get info that could save thousands of lives.
Let me ask you this, say a known terrorist was captured and his pals had a family member of yours kidnapped, would you object to making them listen to loud music or sleep deprivation or water up his nose in order to tell save your family member?
topcat42 3 years ago
good question,when a family member is involved it's different right?
i'll tell you honestly that i could not decide that unless it actually happens. if i decide to let them torture the prisoner i would still be throwing away my own morals and ethics. that's a question that's truly unanswerable uless you are truly faced with it.
hellshade2 3 years ago
Well I could tell you without hesitation that I would have no problem with making them stay up or listen to loud music or water up his nose in order to save any innocent person not just a family member. You and I have a disagreement on what torture is.
topcat42 3 years ago
yeah i'd say we do. at least we agree about rap music.
i'll say it has been an interesting discussion with you though.
hellshade2 3 years ago
Yes we do certainly agree that Rap music sucks. Glad to have a civil debate with you, thanks.
topcat42 3 years ago
no problem, drop by any time.
hellshade2 3 years ago
torture i would say is any treatment that could cause mental or physical harm to a person. i don't know if anything else could qualify since i am no torture expert nor would a care to be. waterboarding is bad though it's supposed to simulate drowning and being someone who almost drowned as a kid i can relate to the feeling.
hellshade2 3 years ago
agreed 100%
hellshade2 3 years ago
The supreme court refused to hear one of the lawsuits regarding obamas citizenship status after a lower court dismissed it. BUT there are at least 6 others in process in the courts and more to come until obama provides a valid birth certificate proving his US citizenship. A birth announcement in a newspaper is NOT proof of citizenship. obama is not my president, he is just another self serving liar of low moral character. There, I dealt with it. :)
Maxwedge12000 3 years ago
damn it even obama should realise he would have a great political advantage with the other nations of the world if he brings bush cheney to justice for thier crimes. sorry man i think i am getting a little over the top here. let's hope obama getys this right....
hellshade2 3 years ago
indeed
hellshade2 3 years ago
obama must inverstigate and prosecute bush/cheney if he does not he shows himself to be no different then bush. he says we need change well the first change is not just reversing criminal policies but prosecuting the criminals that made them. bush is a war criminal no doubt about it cheney too.
hellshade2 3 years ago
i must agree theyre all in this shit together. like i said i would bet my life that nothing is done
jetsfan3161 3 years ago
i generally think the same but i still do not give up hope that someone will do the right thing. i give all the beneifit of doubt until evidence proves otherwise
let's hope obama does the right thing...
hellshade2 3 years ago
i would bet my life obama does nothing. their all in cahoots to some degree. u will see. i wish he would dude but he probally won't
jetsfan3161 3 years ago
so do i man and he probably won't and if obama does not investigate and prosecute bush/cheney for there crimes then he is no less an accomplice to bush/cheney crimes then...
hellshade2 3 years ago
i'd agree to a point but if that president is involved in illegal acts then he has no respect for the office and presidency.
and i do believe the reasons i put forth are valid :)
hellshade2 3 years ago
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Before obama investigates anyone for anything obama needs to prove he is a US citizen. Several suits have been filed in order to get his birth certifcate. One can only guess as to why obama is not providing one.voluntarily.
Maxwedge12000 3 years ago
thought he provided a birth certificate from hawaii. but regardless this issue would still be on the head of whoever takes his place then. but to be honest if his birthplace was in question i doubt he would have recieved the nomination
hellshade2 3 years ago
why we he not be a US citizen i guess anyone can go to harvard, be a senator, and the president and never had to show proof the he is a actual citizen. Thats a stupid theory, why should he have to show you are anyone that doesn't really matter. If he shows you the certificate then it will be something else after that on so on.
thekidd9245 3 years ago