Thus is succinctly explained the method by which TV programme makers attract the stares of idiots. But what a pity M&W didn't manage to mention the raison d'etre for making programmes in the first place - to provide a medium for commercial advertising. Or, as in the case of the BBC, bringing social, cultural, and community based programming to the UK i.e. competing with commercial broadcasters for the attention of idiots. Get rid of your TV. Stop being a consumer zombie. Hang Murdoch.
@38dragoon38 why/ i enjoy watching my tv. yes, im paying a large ammount of money to some jumped of prick of a man, who's laughing at us all for running around trying to fit pointless tv shows into our schedule, but unless i become a gypsie thats just about one of the only ways to dilute an otherwise completly workfilled life. the other one is large amounts of alcohol. combining the two is great. its thoughts like this which make me yearn for the simplicity of anarchism.
And you a fascist. It is called a matter of taste or opinion. No accounting for it, Everyone entitled to it. Clearly the idiot here is the one who thinks that everyone must have the same opinion or taste as him. Sorry old boy.
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David is only funny as Mark or when he's himself. Robert is only funny as Jeremy or when he is himself. Peep Show = Best comedy ever. That M and W look = Worst comedy ever.
"everyone will think that they're the only person who has noticed the contestants are all idiots...for some reason people will think that this never stops being worth commenting upon"
yes you, people clogging up my facebook feed.... you know who you are
@Rincewind211 that only apllies if he has exactly 15 workers... If say he had 1000 workers, he could fire a 15th every week (66.66 in the first week, 62.22 in the second week and so on and so forth) until he reached 15 workers, then it would be a 15th of the workforce that week, then a 14th, then 13th etc..
The scary thing is just how many people don't realize that this is what the apprentice is about.
Seriousy, the amount of people who actually think the point of the apprentice is what the program makers claim, and that it's all honest and ligitimate, is fucking staggering.
It really hits home just how many stupid people there are out there
This video is what I've been thinking about The Apprentice for quite a while; talented people won't need to go on a stupid show to get a high paying job, therefore the only people who appear must be idiots.
@iVaniilla Can you do it in private next time? If someone reads that before watching the video, the joke is then lost on them, and not nearly as funny as it would have been. You're like that dickhead who repeats all the funny bits of a film. Then never gets invited to watch films again because you're a dickhead. Except we can't not invite to watch these videos because it's youtube and we have no control over you.
@iVaniilla Well if it gets thumbed up, It then gets pushed to the top of the comments, so if you have a monitor capable of showing something more than 1024x768 then you have to read it.
@iVaniilla No, but I said if it was. Also at most you would have gotten about 40/50 thumbs up on this video that's average for that type of comment I would say. That's out of 135,000 please tell me when did 50 out of 135,000 become the majority? Fuck the majority anyway, if the majority were anything to go by then Justin Beiber and Miley Cyrus are both fucking amazing musicians.
@iVaniilla No you're just an idiot and you can't seem to realise. Also, I'm not wasting time, it doesn't take long to make a quick reply. I mean if we were both on at the same time and constantly replying then yes, I would agree, but we're not.
@highestsettings Well, you got your way, because now no ones comments are showing up because you bitching at me has taken up all the space. I'll just go fetch you your medal.
@SHITONASTICK1100 I've been to the preview showings of that mitchell and webb look, they record the audiences genuine reaction to the sketches and that's the laughter you hear. sorry if you didn't find it as funny as the audience on the night but then it was brand new at the time.
@jamiewhatwhat i guess your'e right, i myself will stay well clear of that, i don't want to get stabbed in the back by some narcissist, nor would i stab anyone in the back.
And If it wasn't for the license fee ,and these brainless but profitable shows, we'd have Formula One, the World Cup, and Premiership Football on all the other channels, that can only finance through heavy and constant advertising. I don't own a TV anymore because I just can't watch a program being constantly interrupted.
Pay Per View or any other form of financing wouldn't cover it. All in all, I don't mind, as long as there is enough worthwhile content to justify £12 a month.
I'm a bit ambivalent about the license. There about 5-10% of the content of the BBC that interests me, and I catch most of it on I-Player. I'd basically rather 'pay per view' than having to cough up the license fee. I don't even have a TV.
I know what he means about the layers of stupidity. There are the ultimate idiots who will watch it on the level intended, fully absorbed in the show - the kind who watch the X Factor and still think it's exciting. Then there is a level of slightly less stupid people, who watch it from a podium above the rest of the world, not becoming engrossed or invested in the outcome of the program, and feeling superior because the show is full of idiots.
Almost perfect, except the BBC don't care about ratings, because they get their money from a mandatory licence fee, most people would call an extortion racket.
Your complaint is almost perfect, except that everyone knows that the BBC is always chasing ratings for prime time slots, they know that if they don't keep the population happy, their licence fee will be taken away...
and most people would call it a "tax" - it's where you pay for something out of a general levy because a market based on purely private consumption wouldn't work as well...
Why would the BBC care about ratings, when they don't survive through advertising?
A Tax is for a service. In this cast TV & Radio. 99% of all TV and radio stations don't receive licence fee money. It goes mostly to the BBC and the BBC world service. That would be a Tax on the British to teach the Chinese English.
A Tax for a service, where that service is not paid for or provided with that tax money, where the Tax is mandatory for anyone who owns a radio, with the threat of prison for non payment, is extortion.
Most people watch channels other than the BBC, yet they must pay for a BBC service and a radio station broadcast outside Britain.
It's an extortion racket, called a License. What other country on the planet pays to use a TV they already bought and paid sales tax on?
5 non digital terrestrial channels make up a small fraction of available channels available in the UK.
ALL BBC channels combined make up a miniscule fraction of available channels.
Whether people watch BBC now or not is irrelevant, because they MUST pay for it whether they do watch a BBC channel or not. They effectively have NO CHOICE because owning a TV or RADIO requires the purchase of a TV & Radio License.
Warrant -> arrest and jail for up to 28 days for another court appearance and a bigger fine
All because the UK resident does not have a choice of whether to subscribe to the BBC or not and there's almost no way to live without having a TV & Radio license, unless you can prove you dont even have a radio.
Even then, you would be subject to regular visits by the TV License enforcer
You're right about the 99%. As the BBC counts as such a small part of the channel list the UK receives, I'm sure it's more like 99.9% of the channels not getting any license fee, but 100% of the households required to "subscribe" to those handful of channels of 1980's shows, repeats, soap operas and game shows from the BBC.
It's a government sponsored extortion racket. They even send the heavies round for non payment.
No the UK resident does not have a choice of whether to subscribe to the BBC - but then they don't get a choice of paying for only the govt services they want to use - that's why the licence fee is a tax.
People pay Taxes and get services and infrastructure for them. Those services are important and in many cases vital. Police, fire, health, education, transport, trash, sewers ... Where does BBC broadcasting fit in that list? Where does Australian soap operas, game shows, talent shows fit in to the Taxation model?
If someone has satellite or cable and has no interest in BBC, terrestrial or not. What are they paying the "TAX" for?
@aboothunitedstates - of course, since the actual enforcement has been outsourced to a private company, rather than anyone with real powers, the sole enforcement activity in reality seems to be:
1 .Send Letter with scary wording and large print
2. Wait 3 months
3. If still no licence, Send Letter with Bigger Font
4. Go to 2.
Ocassionally, you get some cretin coming to the door - they have no more right of entry to your house than I have. Tell them to go away, and ignore them. They soon stop
Those 5 channels are the only ones with universal coverage, and the BBC channels digital / non-digital are amongst the most watched on any given night, and the radio stations are amongst the most listened too.
Here's and interesting fact, whenever someone says MOST, MOST often they MADE IT UP
3 of those 5 are NOT BBC channels. They rely on advertising and are logically amongst the most popular, because terrestrial broadcasts do not require a satellite dish or a cable connection.
I'm pretty sure that if Joe Public was given the CHOICE to subscribe to the BBC for 142.00 per year or those channels get scrambled, they wouldn't be popular at all. I'm sure people would put that £142 towards a SKY subscription before spending it on endless Eastenders on BBC1 and reruns of the Good Life on BBC2.
Sky Satellite has hundreds of Channels. At any given time there is something of quality to watch, even though there's 10 times more crap. With the BBC, it's mostly crap, with occasionally good stuff on.
Again, BBC gets 'loads' of viewers because of it's transport. ITV gets loads of viewers for the same reason, but it doesn't survive through a license fee. If lives or dies on it's programming.
Just because you don't like the response, you resort to childish behaviour, calling me an idiot. Sad.
Because it's not for providing a service. The service is already there. Switch the BBC off and TV is still there, along with the hundreds of channels that don't rely on forcing the public to subscribe, but instead generate revenue from advertising and voluntary subscription. You know, honestly.
I'm sure that if you asked MOST people whether they'd rather pay a License fee and have the BBC do what they like, or not pay any fee and let the BBC get it's own revenue, MOST would say FUCK THE BBC!
Ask them if they would rather have the BBC fend for itself like the other TV broadcasters and save them £142 and they'd likely say yes. The only loss of service would be if the BBC was shit.
Ask people if they should have the right to choose to subscribe to the BBC instead of being forced to, by merely owning a radio and what do you think they'd say?
That argument doesn't work, because although I pay all the taxes the govt ask for, I don't use every service the govt provides. Does that make all taxes illegitimate? No - because the service is still available to everyone that wants / needs to use it, the same way the BBC is available to anyone that wants to watch....
That's just an argument for the justification of various taxes. Should everyone pay for education through income tax, even though it people with kids that need that service? Probably not. So the method of taxation is wrong, but the service is needed by those that do use it.
With the TV License, should everyone pay, or just those that want the BBC? If people had the choice, there'd be no problem.
I thought the idea about taxes was that we all pay for things that are in the general interest of the country, an educated population being one of them.
That depends on the tax. Income tax is a general purpose tax for services such as military, central government etc, but vehicle license duty is for road use, so the income should be for road maintenance and associated services. Tax on cigarettes should also be for the health care costs that cigarettes have on the country. If all taxes were for the general interest of the country, there's only need to be one tax, an income based poll tax.
Having a car and paying road tax is entirely optional because although convenient, a car is not a necessity in the UK. You don't pay if you don't have one. That model fits just fine.
Webb looks like Russel Howard in this...
ThePauleric 8 hours ago
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if £100,000 is the smallest large ammount of money...whats the largest small ammount of money?
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Thus is succinctly explained the method by which TV programme makers attract the stares of idiots. But what a pity M&W didn't manage to mention the raison d'etre for making programmes in the first place - to provide a medium for commercial advertising. Or, as in the case of the BBC, bringing social, cultural, and community based programming to the UK i.e. competing with commercial broadcasters for the attention of idiots. Get rid of your TV. Stop being a consumer zombie. Hang Murdoch.
38dragoon38 1 week ago
@38dragoon38 why/ i enjoy watching my tv. yes, im paying a large ammount of money to some jumped of prick of a man, who's laughing at us all for running around trying to fit pointless tv shows into our schedule, but unless i become a gypsie thats just about one of the only ways to dilute an otherwise completly workfilled life. the other one is large amounts of alcohol. combining the two is great. its thoughts like this which make me yearn for the simplicity of anarchism.
floghit 1 day ago
the contestants might all be idiots but these two men are certainly both geniuses
theotendleeey 1 week ago 2
Finally. Someone finally voiced precisely what I despise about that show. This is the exact reason I do not watch The Apprentice anymore....
darkridr25 1 week ago
There is already a program of idiots acting idiotically for the amusument of idiots, its called Fox news.
qotsaandsoadfan1 2 weeks ago
The smallest large amount of money is a hundred grand ;)
rocketmunkey1 1 month ago 3
You're an idiot.
sammyjopie 1 month ago
@sammyjopie
And you a fascist. It is called a matter of taste or opinion. No accounting for it, Everyone entitled to it. Clearly the idiot here is the one who thinks that everyone must have the same opinion or taste as him. Sorry old boy.
MAN80085 1 week ago
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David is only funny as Mark or when he's himself. Robert is only funny as Jeremy or when he is himself. Peep Show = Best comedy ever. That M and W look = Worst comedy ever.
MAN80085 1 month ago
@MAN80085
clearly you are an idiot, you should apply for the apprentice
Unevaluated 1 month ago 5
Is it only me or does Rob look totally hot with his blond hair and glasses?
Wheelsgr 2 months ago
@Wheelsgr its not just you
Razokk 2 months ago
Anyone else thought Big Brother when they were watching this? :P
wiiviewsjunior 2 months ago
@wiiviewsjunior I thought Jersey Shore, but yes Big Brother too.
Lateralus347 2 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
9 People would apply to be on that show.
metalgod995 3 months ago
these guys are brilliant
000MidnightSun 3 months ago
your all fired TROLOLOLOLOLOLOL DONALD TRUMP STATIS
themajormarco 4 months ago
"...They show up JUST the same"
kerodean 4 months ago
Its almost not fair how funny he is !
ShowPolitics 5 months ago 3
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littlelyera 6 months ago
i actually wanted to see them make the show
sheepintheherd 6 months ago
@sheepintheherd they're talking about 'the apprentice' so it has been made. congratulations your one of the idiots lol
rberry978 4 months ago
these guys are like the British version of the Australian "Chasers war on everything" guys
vnissgbklkj 6 months ago
@vnissgbklkj yeah cause they rip on everyone no matter who they are haha family guy is a bit the same
MrBrisbaneman1994 6 months ago
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I suppose they both highlight idiocy but in completely different ways. I wouldn't even consider comparing them
muffin8or 5 months ago
excellent., you do wonder where they find some many arrogant and annoying people. oh yeah. hardcore sales normally
dizmatt1 6 months ago
Which episode is this?
darthxerox15 7 months ago
i like how this almost perfectly describes the apprentice
sneaselboy 7 months ago 45
@sneaselboy
Not just the apprentice, but reality TV in general.
saxojon 6 months ago
You can't give a million pounds to an idiot. That's what the lottery's for.
gradond 7 months ago 58
@gradond damn i was gonna say that then i look just below my comment box and that was there >:(....lol :D
sneaselboy 7 months ago
They made this in America. They call it, "Jersey Shore."
DrCreosote 8 months ago 5
@DrCreosote no its something completely diferent mate
andy0705b 7 months ago
"everyone will think that they're the only person who has noticed the contestants are all idiots...for some reason people will think that this never stops being worth commenting upon"
yes you, people clogging up my facebook feed.... you know who you are
EJS7708 8 months ago 2
he can't fire a 15th of his workforce every week, seeming as it would be 14 the next week and so on. (Sorry I'm doing stats revision.)
Rincewind211 8 months ago
@Rincewind211 that only apllies if he has exactly 15 workers... If say he had 1000 workers, he could fire a 15th every week (66.66 in the first week, 62.22 in the second week and so on and so forth) until he reached 15 workers, then it would be a 15th of the workforce that week, then a 14th, then 13th etc..
ecjj21 8 months ago
@ecjj21 Yes but in the programme Lord sugar doesn't fire 1/15 of his workforce every week. In fact in the last week he fires half his workforce.
GeorgeGavin1 8 months ago
I kept waiting to hear "Big Brother"
9Hundredand2 8 months ago 2
The scary thing is just how many people don't realize that this is what the apprentice is about.
Seriousy, the amount of people who actually think the point of the apprentice is what the program makers claim, and that it's all honest and ligitimate, is fucking staggering.
It really hits home just how many stupid people there are out there
E101ification 8 months ago
@E101ification this is potentially the funniest, and stupidest comment in the history of youtube.
ecjj21 8 months ago 5
Robert Webb looks like such a wanker in this clip, he looks like such a horrible, slimy bastard it's scary!
(only in this clip though)
E101ification 8 months ago
This video is what I've been thinking about The Apprentice for quite a while; talented people won't need to go on a stupid show to get a high paying job, therefore the only people who appear must be idiots.
sadhukar 8 months ago
Wonderful, spot on.
emailjeremiah 8 months ago
So, that's celebrity apprentice, then?
Maxxthepenguin 8 months ago 2
@highestsettings you are wasting your time. And unfortunately everyone does have to see your whole conversation at the top.
dvcarruth 8 months ago
Amstrad Emailer on the desk: nice touch!
GFantastic 8 months ago
thumbs up if Maureen Johnson sent you here from twitter
patsomewhen 8 months ago 7
'The smallest large amount of money'
iVaniilla 8 months ago 2
@iVaniilla it's funny because you've quoted the video everyone has just watched.
loltbxx 8 months ago
@loltbxx Just re-living the moment
iVaniilla 8 months ago
@iVaniilla Can you do it in private next time? If someone reads that before watching the video, the joke is then lost on them, and not nearly as funny as it would have been. You're like that dickhead who repeats all the funny bits of a film. Then never gets invited to watch films again because you're a dickhead. Except we can't not invite to watch these videos because it's youtube and we have no control over you.
highestsettings 8 months ago
@highestsettings If you are the sort of person who reads the comment section before watching the video then you deserve to have it ruined for you.
iVaniilla 8 months ago
@iVaniilla Well if it gets thumbed up, It then gets pushed to the top of the comments, so if you have a monitor capable of showing something more than 1024x768 then you have to read it.
highestsettings 8 months ago
@highestsettings My comment wasn't highest rated, and if it was, then the majority of the YouTube community would not be in agreement with you...
iVaniilla 8 months ago
@iVaniilla No, but I said if it was. Also at most you would have gotten about 40/50 thumbs up on this video that's average for that type of comment I would say. That's out of 135,000 please tell me when did 50 out of 135,000 become the majority? Fuck the majority anyway, if the majority were anything to go by then Justin Beiber and Miley Cyrus are both fucking amazing musicians.
highestsettings 8 months ago
@highestsettings This is fucking ridiculous. Your point means nothing, and we are both wasting our time here. Leave it.
iVaniilla 8 months ago
@iVaniilla No you're just an idiot and you can't seem to realise. Also, I'm not wasting time, it doesn't take long to make a quick reply. I mean if we were both on at the same time and constantly replying then yes, I would agree, but we're not.
highestsettings 8 months ago
@highestsettings Well, you got your way, because now no ones comments are showing up because you bitching at me has taken up all the space. I'll just go fetch you your medal.
iVaniilla 8 months ago
@iVaniilla No, only we can see it, youtube patches it all together for easy conversations, comments could be pages apart.
highestsettings 8 months ago
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@loltbxx Welcome to Youtube. Hope you enjoy it - it has a lot of good videos and stuff on it.
314159192829 8 months ago
What about idiots, REAL IDIOTS, arseholes even... LOLOLO
way2tehdawn 9 months ago
take the fake laughs out.
SHITONASTICK1100 9 months ago 2
@SHITONASTICK1100 I've been to the preview showings of that mitchell and webb look, they record the audiences genuine reaction to the sketches and that's the laughter you hear. sorry if you didn't find it as funny as the audience on the night but then it was brand new at the time.
TheEcofreak 9 months ago 4
thats what the lottery is for !! lol so funny
IrishMusic98 9 months ago
"And remind me: how do these "ironic" "non-idiots" show up in the ratings?"
"They show up the same, my friend. They show up just the same."
quoidanslemondequoi 9 months ago 6
This is far too true xD
80snessEj 9 months ago
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Love it! However, they could get rid of the laugh-track.
wu4youistaken 10 months ago
easily one of the smartest skits ive ever seen!
Nikon05 10 months ago
this sketch is so true. the apprentice is full of idiots. but not just idiots, backstabbing ruthless idiots.
ec123456789able 10 months ago 5
@ec123456789able Welcome to the world of business my friend. The Apprentice is pretty much Capitalism encapsulated.
jamiewhatwhat 8 months ago
@jamiewhatwhat i guess your'e right, i myself will stay well clear of that, i don't want to get stabbed in the back by some narcissist, nor would i stab anyone in the back.
ec123456789able 8 months ago
"We can't give a million pounds to an idiot; that's what the lottery is for" lol...so true...
Setzer 10 months ago
The Million Pound Drop or Deal Or No Deal......... both annoying programs!
froggywatters 11 months ago
It's so perfect it's almost annoying. XD
QueenDeaconite 11 months ago 7
And If it wasn't for the license fee ,and these brainless but profitable shows, we'd have Formula One, the World Cup, and Premiership Football on all the other channels, that can only finance through heavy and constant advertising. I don't own a TV anymore because I just can't watch a program being constantly interrupted.
Pay Per View or any other form of financing wouldn't cover it. All in all, I don't mind, as long as there is enough worthwhile content to justify £12 a month.
basstard013 11 months ago
satire at it best.
I'm a bit ambivalent about the license. There about 5-10% of the content of the BBC that interests me, and I catch most of it on I-Player. I'd basically rather 'pay per view' than having to cough up the license fee. I don't even have a TV.
basstard013 11 months ago
ok, I'll...I'll fire the fat one.
miletteriis 1 year ago 7
Brilliant. This is exactly how the apprentice was conceived, exactly.
Quareat 1 year ago 28
See, now this is part of why I don't watch TV. It's all that bullshit. With commercials.
MajikkaniHand 1 year ago
So....OTHER people realised the contestants are idiots?? Damn, thought it was just me
crazymurdav 1 year ago 52
My god... They're geniuses
enderwiggin42 1 year ago 8
my god...im sending this to everyone who smugly watches jersey shore
alx90x 1 year ago 13
Robert Webb looks like Russell Howard with this haircut!
anthorisme 1 year ago 5
That would explain why I never, ever watch The Apprentice, then.
gregtube88 1 year ago
ok, ill fire the fat one. such a great show!
garethkielty 1 year ago
The one person who disliked this was Donald Trump.
JeffMillennium 1 year ago 3
@JeffMillennium Really you should say Alan Sugar, seeing as this is making fun of the English version...
Karateworm 1 year ago 3
@Karateworm That was the second Dislike.
skullkid3 1 year ago
@JeffMillennium Who's Donald Trump?
CaptainAndyman 1 year ago
that last part about ironic non idiots in the ratings is the basis for my theory on the success of the fox news channel
gunterdak 1 year ago 12
I know what he means about the layers of stupidity. There are the ultimate idiots who will watch it on the level intended, fully absorbed in the show - the kind who watch the X Factor and still think it's exciting. Then there is a level of slightly less stupid people, who watch it from a podium above the rest of the world, not becoming engrossed or invested in the outcome of the program, and feeling superior because the show is full of idiots.
rattyboydave 1 year ago 9
1 person disliked becasue they are an idiot
MultiWarfighter 1 year ago 6
the one dislike would be from the fat guy.
ultrapersonthing 1 year ago 8
lol why would anyone dislike this? haha mitchell and webb are amazing :D
Kingof40minutes 1 year ago 2
Brilliant.
Haeronthegreat 1 year ago
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stoprainingonme 1 year ago
That would be Big Brother then.
agt155 1 year ago 228
@agt155 no that's the apprentice as well
sollibop 1 year ago
@agt155 I ws actually waiting for a Big Brother reference at the end......sadly it didn't come, but thanks for adding to the superb scene
nmfnmompso 1 year ago
@agt155
Is it you Sherlock..?
aimonaali 9 months ago 2
@agt155 or X factor
MinorHeadstorm 4 months ago
@agt155 no no it would still be the apprentice
Tool9395 4 months ago
Genius!
yetanothergoodyfan 1 year ago
I live in Los Angeles and I can tell you this skit is shockingly close to the mark of how much of Hollywood operates.
Scruffi 1 year ago
lol it's so true.
These 2, easily my favourite comedians.
gazm2k5 1 year ago
Whats Russell Howard doing on this program?
heno8888 1 year ago
Ha! Didn't realise that, good one!
0lilKayde0 1 year ago
Wow, David's wig! euch!
sharonmary 1 year ago
@PurushaDesa Well, it depends on the severity of idiocy :P
Parrster123 1 year ago
I have the tshirt Robert is wearing! Think I might wear it a bit more
breid523 1 year ago
yes but the apprentice is a british show so that is irrelevant
alasdairduncan3 1 year ago
David's hair is classic douche.These guys are amazing.
cetnikz 1 year ago
@cetnikz ...yet somehow Robert's appearance makes me wildly turned on....
datarockx3 1 year ago
now I want to the see this show- idiots entertaining idiots....wait...
spongiebungie 1 year ago
HEY ITS STEPHEN HAPPY 50th TERRY
mcflippz 1 year ago
@myLastTears I don't think it is and this is an english show.
friend669 1 year ago
@myLastTears But 100 grand is $150,000.
PurushaDesa 1 year ago
This skit makes a terrifying amount of sense.
CCNuck 1 year ago 620
lol I would totally watch that show.
coruscantplanet 1 year ago
Almost perfect, except the BBC don't care about ratings, because they get their money from a mandatory licence fee, most people would call an extortion racket.
aboothunitedstates 2 years ago
Yeah but the programme they are parodying, the apprentice, isn't a BBC programme.
wabisabi12 2 years ago
@wabisabi12 Except the guys discussing the new concepts were in an office full of BBC files.
aboothunitedstates 2 years ago
Your complaint is almost perfect, except that everyone knows that the BBC is always chasing ratings for prime time slots, they know that if they don't keep the population happy, their licence fee will be taken away...
and most people would call it a "tax" - it's where you pay for something out of a general levy because a market based on purely private consumption wouldn't work as well...
david552 2 years ago
Why would the BBC care about ratings, when they don't survive through advertising?
A Tax is for a service. In this cast TV & Radio. 99% of all TV and radio stations don't receive licence fee money. It goes mostly to the BBC and the BBC world service. That would be a Tax on the British to teach the Chinese English.
aboothunitedstates 1 year ago
A Tax for a service, where that service is not paid for or provided with that tax money, where the Tax is mandatory for anyone who owns a radio, with the threat of prison for non payment, is extortion.
Most people watch channels other than the BBC, yet they must pay for a BBC service and a radio station broadcast outside Britain.
It's an extortion racket, called a License. What other country on the planet pays to use a TV they already bought and paid sales tax on?
aboothunitedstates 1 year ago
Here's and interesting fact, whenever someone says 99%, there is a 99% chance they MADE IT UP - link me to a source pal....
The BBC broadcasts 2 of the 5 non-digital terrestrial channels, and a large network of radio stations all of which have respectable ratings.
The BBC World Service is funded by a grant from the Foreign Office.
The standard punishment for non-payment is a fine, not a prison sentence.
The BBC is the service provided in return for the fee - almost everyone uses it.
david552 1 year ago
5 non digital terrestrial channels make up a small fraction of available channels available in the UK.
ALL BBC channels combined make up a miniscule fraction of available channels.
Whether people watch BBC now or not is irrelevant, because they MUST pay for it whether they do watch a BBC channel or not. They effectively have NO CHOICE because owning a TV or RADIO requires the purchase of a TV & Radio License.
aboothunitedstates 1 year ago
The path for non payment is
Court
Fine
Non Payment -> Court bailiff seizing goods
Refusing entry -> Police warrant
Warrant -> arrest and jail for up to 28 days for another court appearance and a bigger fine
All because the UK resident does not have a choice of whether to subscribe to the BBC or not and there's almost no way to live without having a TV & Radio license, unless you can prove you dont even have a radio.
Even then, you would be subject to regular visits by the TV License enforcer
aboothunitedstates 1 year ago
You're right about the 99%. As the BBC counts as such a small part of the channel list the UK receives, I'm sure it's more like 99.9% of the channels not getting any license fee, but 100% of the households required to "subscribe" to those handful of channels of 1980's shows, repeats, soap operas and game shows from the BBC.
It's a government sponsored extortion racket. They even send the heavies round for non payment.
aboothunitedstates 1 year ago
Jesus - why do you even care that hard?
No the UK resident does not have a choice of whether to subscribe to the BBC - but then they don't get a choice of paying for only the govt services they want to use - that's why the licence fee is a tax.
david552 1 year ago
If you don't care, why do you respond?
People pay Taxes and get services and infrastructure for them. Those services are important and in many cases vital. Police, fire, health, education, transport, trash, sewers ... Where does BBC broadcasting fit in that list? Where does Australian soap operas, game shows, talent shows fit in to the Taxation model?
If someone has satellite or cable and has no interest in BBC, terrestrial or not. What are they paying the "TAX" for?
aboothunitedstates 1 year ago
@aboothunitedstates - of course, since the actual enforcement has been outsourced to a private company, rather than anyone with real powers, the sole enforcement activity in reality seems to be:
1 .Send Letter with scary wording and large print
2. Wait 3 months
3. If still no licence, Send Letter with Bigger Font
4. Go to 2.
Ocassionally, you get some cretin coming to the door - they have no more right of entry to your house than I have. Tell them to go away, and ignore them. They soon stop
divinedegenerate 1 year ago
Those 5 channels are the only ones with universal coverage, and the BBC channels digital / non-digital are amongst the most watched on any given night, and the radio stations are amongst the most listened too.
david552 1 year ago
Here's and interesting fact, whenever someone says MOST, MOST often they MADE IT UP
3 of those 5 are NOT BBC channels. They rely on advertising and are logically amongst the most popular, because terrestrial broadcasts do not require a satellite dish or a cable connection.
aboothunitedstates 1 year ago
I'm pretty sure that if Joe Public was given the CHOICE to subscribe to the BBC for 142.00 per year or those channels get scrambled, they wouldn't be popular at all. I'm sure people would put that £142 towards a SKY subscription before spending it on endless Eastenders on BBC1 and reruns of the Good Life on BBC2.
aboothunitedstates 1 year ago
Have you even watched SKY? It is shit.
Sky is mostly US repeats. BBC 1 shows EastEnders one hour a day and gets loads of viewers and the Good life hasn't been on BB2 in ages....
just admit it - the licence fee is a tax like any other, most people are happy enough with it or it would have been discontinued.
In short "extortion racket" was a stupid phrase and you are and idiot.
david552 1 year ago
Sky Satellite has hundreds of Channels. At any given time there is something of quality to watch, even though there's 10 times more crap. With the BBC, it's mostly crap, with occasionally good stuff on.
Again, BBC gets 'loads' of viewers because of it's transport. ITV gets loads of viewers for the same reason, but it doesn't survive through a license fee. If lives or dies on it's programming.
Just because you don't like the response, you resort to childish behaviour, calling me an idiot. Sad.
aboothunitedstates 1 year ago
Explain this: If it's NOT and extortion racket, explain the difference.
aboothunitedstates 1 year ago
Explain to me why it's not a tax?
You've been avoiding that since we started.
david552 1 year ago
Because it's not for providing a service. The service is already there. Switch the BBC off and TV is still there, along with the hundreds of channels that don't rely on forcing the public to subscribe, but instead generate revenue from advertising and voluntary subscription. You know, honestly.
aboothunitedstates 1 year ago
Now explain how it isn't extortion?
aboothunitedstates 1 year ago
MOST people are happy with it? Proof?
I'm sure that if you asked MOST people whether they'd rather pay a License fee and have the BBC do what they like, or not pay any fee and let the BBC get it's own revenue, MOST would say FUCK THE BBC!
aboothunitedstates 1 year ago
Ask people if they would rather not pay £142 in taxes and they say "yes please" ask if people want £142 in service cuts and they say "no way"
The licence fee has been going for years and years, and yet no campaign to abolish it ever gets anywhere..
david552 1 year ago
Ask them if they would rather have the BBC fend for itself like the other TV broadcasters and save them £142 and they'd likely say yes. The only loss of service would be if the BBC was shit.
Ask people if they should have the right to choose to subscribe to the BBC instead of being forced to, by merely owning a radio and what do you think they'd say?
aboothunitedstates 1 year ago
Just like owning a car requires the payment of road tax and petrol duties.... I do LIVE here you know, I know how it works.
david552 1 year ago
I've lived in the UK for over 30 years, so don't try and imply I don't know.
Unlike road tax, the money goes to ALL roads and you can choose not to have a car because there's public transport.
The TV License model would be the equivalent to paying road tax that only goes to maintaining roads in a small town in Wales.
aboothunitedstates 1 year ago
That argument doesn't work, because although I pay all the taxes the govt ask for, I don't use every service the govt provides. Does that make all taxes illegitimate? No - because the service is still available to everyone that wants / needs to use it, the same way the BBC is available to anyone that wants to watch....
david552 1 year ago 8
That's just an argument for the justification of various taxes. Should everyone pay for education through income tax, even though it people with kids that need that service? Probably not. So the method of taxation is wrong, but the service is needed by those that do use it.
With the TV License, should everyone pay, or just those that want the BBC? If people had the choice, there'd be no problem.
aboothunitedstates 1 year ago
@aboothunitedstates
I thought the idea about taxes was that we all pay for things that are in the general interest of the country, an educated population being one of them.
fritspas 10 months ago
@fritspas
That depends on the tax. Income tax is a general purpose tax for services such as military, central government etc, but vehicle license duty is for road use, so the income should be for road maintenance and associated services. Tax on cigarettes should also be for the health care costs that cigarettes have on the country. If all taxes were for the general interest of the country, there's only need to be one tax, an income based poll tax.
aboothunitedstates 10 months ago
Having a car and paying road tax is entirely optional because although convenient, a car is not a necessity in the UK. You don't pay if you don't have one. That model fits just fine.
aboothunitedstates 1 year ago
@david552 BBC is available to anyone that wants to watch.... and pays their tv license
JoeJG12321 1 year ago
Help! The irony is flooding me! AHHHHH!
VSL123 2 years ago
Quick! close the irony shutters!
Think of Alanis Morrisette!!
luluthesynesthete 2 years ago
LOL!
whatthe526 2 years ago
Hmm. I think I resent that.
cristop5 2 years ago